OverDrive - OverDrive - June 24, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys dive into the Hockey Hall of Fame's Induction Class, Alexander Mogilny's long-awaited entrance in the hall, Carey Price's snub in his first opportunity and Mitch Marner's market beginning to emerge. TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie joins to discuss his Draft Final Rankings, Matthew Schaefer leading the top of the board and the outlook of the draft.

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All right here we go overdrive off and running TSN 1050 on the TSN app your home smart speaker and up on TSN for Brian Hayes, ZioDoc, Jeff O'Neil Jamie Noodles McClennon. How's everybody doing this afternoon? Blue steel, there he is. Yeah, I just posted a pic, so we. No, no, guys. I feel like I owe you guys an apology.

Oh yeah? We had some beauty shots taken today, just to kind of freshen it up a little bit. We've been hanging on a long, a long time to the one where I had the jean shirt and the t-shirt, like it's six years. Yeah. Right. And I feel like the newer version of that. I really brought us down. Like I'm really gray. I mean, noodles, you dye your hair, haze, you don't. I have dyed my hair, I have dyed my hair. I don't do it habitually

I just feel like I Brought everybody down because I saw it was horrifying not true, man. Not true when you see like the Screenshot of it pop up on the side and I looked a couple times I don't know what it is when I take these shots and I have brand new teeth that cost a lot of it looks like I have no teeth and I don't know what it I just I can't do the photographs and I just wanted to apologize because you guys look the same age and I you you look good keep in mind

hey there I just posted that one now I look like a slob there and I made sure of that. No, see you look good. I made sure noodles was on point. This is why I'm a team player because I was, I asked the guy, we, we did a photo shoot because that's kind of what happens in show business every six years. They say maybe you should update your profile because it's your catfishing people. Yeah. But I hate the side.

I know. I think you look good there, man I think it's a good heck. We're doing a lot of chest and a lot of women say I Don't like taking it for this is my bad Look at like it looks like a side barrel and my ass is like rolling out of the back of my suit That's the angle man that That's the jacket. It's the dude of all the picks we took. Why did you like it looks like my ass. I was looking for the will chat. It does look like you're wearing padded underwear. Now that I look at it, it's not a great pick. All of that's why I'll find a better one. I'll find a better one. I'm going to send you a

handful. I'll send them to Joe from the bridge and we'll do a little profile. Yeah, which one's best? Post them and then you can... Well, keep in mind there is airbrushing. It looks like I have a pillow taped inside my suit jacket above my belt. I've got a chair taped to your ass. I don't know what's going on, but I just... Keep in mind, this could have been a lot worse. If this was how long ago that's a very good point i don't know if this was twelve months ago what is that picture look like it's

at the park carter's and is what it is and it's a picture that is it is it's paul blart there's that i have a second they would say hey bring in the segue for this guy uh... blarger stand out as a good way bring in the segue for this guy uh... you are writing a good product is a segue by an issue is sent about the jacket the jacket you know it the jacket

it only looks good straight on the air to the side i can't believe that all the pics that's the one you are right well then josh take it down well i posted it so i'll I'll figure something out, okay? When we hit the next break, I'll figure it. Yeah, okay. But I don't have the ability, like I don't have a studio like the photographer does.

Brush things up. Like, you left and the photographer was like, man, I really gotta do some work. It's all laid out some, like a framework of what you expect to happen. Because you were worried about the face because you are worried about the face and you're worried about the hair and the angles and the jacket. So.

Dude, I've realized doing this stuff, if this is going to be blasted out, you have to have creative control of how it looks because I'm doing a golf thing with Duthie and the promo for it is like a side profile pic. Oh. it is like a side profile pic and it just looks like the side of my face is so gigantic and gray and old and I cringe every time I see it and if I had creative control I would have gone with a different pic. Well I think it's a good you're talking about the Navigator Cup where it's you versus Duffy I don't know if you know this I'm in full I'm doing like play-by-play color on that. So it's the Navigator Cup, it's going to be shown on TSN on July 1st. Overs is Duffy Kadri and Brendan Gallagher involved.

So it's going to be great. Marissa is going to be there, it's going to be a lot of fun. We're shooting that later in the week. But I think it looks good, the profile is good, I'll review the pictures. We've got a lot to get into today. We've got Bob McKenzie coming up who's in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Yes. Right. Bob's in the Hockey Hall of Fame. And the announcement was just made like an hour ago in terms of who's going in for the class of 2025. And what is a

little bit surprising, and this is what always happens, who didn't get in becomes a bigger story. Wow. Almost bigger than who is what i said i am hurt there one guy should be in and one guy should i would say should be out but they get they've been waiting for twenty years to put him in and then they stuffed him in front of okay let me let me run through it here it's it's alex mcgillian so you're speaking of because mcgillian he's been eligible for a long time he's going into

the hall joe thorton duncan keith zedeno chara you're speaking of because McGillinney's been eligible for a long time. He's going into the hall. Joe Thornton, Duncan Keith, Zidane O'Chara, Jennifer Boderill and Brianna Decker in the player category and Jack Parker and Danielle Savio as builders. They're going to be all inducted into the hall of fame with a ceremony in November. Now the omission who you're all alluding to and i agree with your sentiments here is Kerry Price was eligible how Kerry Price is not a first ballot Hall of Famer is absolutely beyond me

it's shades of Brendan Shanahan when Shanahan didn't get in like Shanahan had to wait, I couldn't believe that yeah when Shanahan was not in with six hundred goals and three Stanley Cups, I'm like, there's no such thing as a first ballot other than that guy. Yeah, he was didn't get in. Yeah, that was that was, I would guess taking one for the team and Shanahan's working for the league and with the Leafs at that point, I believe doesn't matter. But you're right, a scream, 100% unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer Shanahan and price. Yeah, who won a heart trophy He dragged his team to a cup final when they had no right to be there one gold medal

I'll metal and 14 as the man on that time my whole thing Brian and oh is Gary price was known as the best goaltender on the planet Yes in in his like window for a good chunk of time Harry Price was known as the best goaltender on the planet. Yes. In his like window. For a good chunk of time. Five, seven years. You could argue when and when it dropped off of that.

Which is kind of a big criteria when you're talking about going into the Hall of Fame. Was he the best at that position for any length of time? That's- Or any substantial amount of time? And Jamie, he was. That's my point. So I'm going, okay, I understand. And you're right. I'm not going gonna kick sand at Alex McGillney I think he's been a

very polarizing guy for the last many years that a lot of people around here like hey this guy should be in he missed I I get it I'm happy for him I'm more just disappointed for Kerry I think and again, it bothers me that there's only a certain number. To me, if there's six guys that are worthy, put them in. And if there's only three next year, put three in. You don't force speed somebody in. But Kerry Price is a first ballot, Hall of Fame, goaltender,

and he'll probably make it in next year, but I just feel like it's a miss and again I'm not sliding anybody else that made it in congratulations I just feel like they should have had an extension there Hey, we're gonna put in well X amount of people Thornton for me first ballot Hall of Famer But I played all those games all those minutes won a heart first overall pick. He's one games all those minutes one a heart first overall pick he's won yeah our key same bar and Keith the same thing you know McGillin is what makes it complicated like I have been of the belief I think he should be in right

I've always thought of him as a superstar now his numbers don't necessarily express that now he did score 76 goals in a season since the one year came over as one of the big three Russians him Fedorov and beret like it was a three pack at one point the three of them are on route and you know i i he was when he was a leaf he was phenomenal but his numbers don't scream hall of fame that's probably what took so long but to be blunt if you're asking me who do i think is more of a hall of famer kerry price or alex mcgillian it's kerry Price. So for whatever reason they do this,

and I understand why in many ways it's justified, I think McGilney's worthy of it, think Jeremy Roenick was worthy of it last year, think there's other guys who weren't in that probably should be in, but this idea that you cap it at four male players allows for something like this, where you have a Brendan Shanahan, where you have a brendan shanahan

where you have a carry price who should be locked first ballot hall of famers by the way i only didn't get in again then it would just be outrage again why no McGill neesel true it's a finicky spot where it's like if this guy deserves to go in the hall of fame and this is what this is really weird about this whole process is we're debating Carey Price as opposed to celebrating the others, but it's such a glaring omission. It's hard not to talk about.

Yeah, exactly. You know in Montreal they are going to be losing their minds. We would too if we were. I totally understand that. Like if this was a Habs market. Imagine what Habs' Mitch Melnick is talking about right now is out there sure there are a lot of light and yeah i was doing radio there this morning and never came up because

yeah i would probably as well obviously carry prices going on talk to you tomorrow about price going to get exactly i think this is all drama gandler's fault i think he's on the uh... selection committee all your kid in the east at one of the eighteen votes by just reading it right now class of ninety five announced introduction gathering of the selection committee in june of twenty three they've got names on here

but i see a key in their okay he doesn't like goaltenders that's what it is well and he hates montreal goaltenders in particular is the other stole the heart from him hosier theodore stole the heart from him as a montreal canadian obviously i'm joking but it just i i just feel like i've had this and again we shouldn't be taking anything away from mcgillian like mcgillian if he's a hall of famer then he should be in i just think carrie price is a hall of famer and he should have been in as well so it just it sucks they should have extended it to one extra or it doesn't matter how many you put in you just put in. If you're a Hall of Famer, yes you go in. You shouldn't

Rogge Vashon went in after like 20 years. Yeah I know it took a long time. They're just waiting to wedge him in there. Hey it's a weaker year we're gonna wedge this guy in. I don't think this is a weak class. So now they're going to wedge McGilney in. McGilney's been a Hall of Famer. Put him in. It just... Yeah, I agree. Like you put Price, Chara, Keith, Thornton. Like that's a great four-pack. They're all contemporaries. They're all from the same era. They all came in about the same time. Chara came in in the 80s, I think. But everyone else... Although Thornton maybe in the 80s to always he drafted in 97 Yeah, but you know those the crazy thing is the armor. Yager is still not eligible

Like he's playing his three-year clock doesn't even start that guy's gonna go in there. You think we look like garbage Yeah, he's gonna have gray hair and a gray beard and be up there like Santa at a speech Yeah, yes, and saying I remember when I got to Pittsburgh in 1990 and I'll be like what I was 45 years ago when you showed up and started playing in the league He's gonna go in with Gary Roberts son. Yes, that's what's gonna happen. Someone's kid like Sid might go in with him Yeah, it might literally be Sid in in Jag. And yogurt had left Pittsburgh long before city even showed up. Yeah, like long before you're right. I just think it. You're right. Now we're getting pushback. Like

what about the did carry? Why is Kerry price a lock? He never won a cop. You know, he was he won the heart of the world. Yes, never once was Alex McGinley ever known. Was he known as a top 10 player in the league? I don't know. Not to me, and I played against the guy. Yeah, I mean, it was your era. You would know better than I would.

He was a great player. He would have been known as a top 10 right winger in the league. Well, when he scored 76, were the nine guys better than him that year? No, no. I mean, that was quite the deal. I hear you. I guess my point being is that, 76 guys better than him that year. No, no

I guess my point being is that for me Kerry Price was known at the best in his position for many many years. Yes, Alex McGillin was never known at the best of his position for not one year of his career. That doesn't mean anything but it's still I guess that's my argument for the goaltender opposed to the before can you make even allowed to ask rebert o'mackenzie or is he gonna know i don't think you can't is bob on the box on the select bob's a voter i don't think that well he's not going to say who he voters for he can speak on behalf of all secrecy i believe in

yeah so i'm not going to grill the guy no i don't care we can ask i think it's reasonable to ask Bob, like, did you always think of Alex McGillinney as a Hall of Famer? Is that off putting or? Well, I don't think he's allowed to answer. So what's Bob going to do? Come on and just say, I plead the fifth. I can't speak. Well, I don't think we're talking about draft him. You want to start grilling him? No, it's not about grilling, but the guy's literally in the room. Yes, but he's not allowed to talk this is what we know that definitively that Bob is is

sworn to secrecy on everything he can't speak he can't give an opinion I've talked to him and he's like I can't there's things you can't talk about this is what when we vote here's the crazy thing I have a vote for League Awards they're transparent yeah no I understand I don't like that the whole is not transparent there is I'm sure there's criteria in the room we have no idea what that criteria is I just want to know am I allowed to ask Bob McKenzie like you think across the table at you do you think Kerry Price is it should be a Hall of Famer no you can't ask that we can't ask Bob that I

don't know it's unfair to put him on as the overdrive lawyer on the horn to see what we can and can ask we don't have an overdrive lawyer do you add died if we do it's like line all hot believe it's no one that's impressive that i have a lot of people yeah that's not going to win barnes silly it could be salino and barnes i don't know i just it's unfair and this is why all you said at the start

we should be celebrating the other guys are great players man they're all great players shot at the people they're all great players you know that made it in and maybe this guy should have could so there's the 18 member selection committee yeah Jerome McGinn is in there blame a Bob McKenzie Cami Granado yeah Brian Burke's in there Eddie Oh, we could send Eddie a note, say Eddie, you know Eddie's going to give you an answer one way or the other how he feels about things. No, no, I had a good chat with Eddie at the finals there.

Yeah, I saw him down at the rink when he was calling the game seven, actually, Lees Panthers. He came down, had a little chat, talked about the ponies for a few minutes and then went on our way. Those are all very schooled hockey people. It's not, of course, not anything about, it's just disappointing. If I'd like to see an adjustment, the adjustment should be if you're a hall of fame or you go in regardless of the number of people. That I agree.

That's the only adjustment I would like to see because then we're not having this argument. I do agree with that, Jamie. Like, why is there a number restriction like i i i guess you're in their speeches by five minutes whatever it is there shouldn't be like if someone is so deserving like a carrie price like a shanahan they're going in yeah i got i thought that part i don't understand you guys think to carrasque is a borderline hall of famer i use borderline that's my, he's not a lock for me. Put it put it this way. Gary Price or Tuca, Tuca Rask, I have Gary Price. And Tuca Rask is one cups. Yes he has. He's won, he's won one cup, been to

multiple cup finals. Now Tim Thomas was the starting goalie when they won. The reason I bring that up is nineteen years ago today don ferguson junior her he made the trade hurt around the world will like a key neither confirm or deny that is a few karas nineteen years ago man how different would history have been ross maybe doesn't make it as a leaf like maybe it just doesn't work out maybe

they run into some issues maybe they trade him somewhere else i don't know i don't even care anymore i've told you before and your across one of my best friends in hockey was a good grasp i'll take razor as a body thank you okay i love you know i will say that he connecting didn't raycroft high

a record for when that's first year. Yeah, that's what bothers me about somebody. Oh Andrew Ray He set a regular season wins record. I remember some piece of trash or something Yeah, but you got it. There's yeah, I don't because of to Karas becoming to Karas. Yes, exactly It wasn't it wasn't Andrew Ray Cross fault I mean obviously and I the stat wasn't it different because now there was a shootout post? Right, that's fair, yeah. You know, I think that gets thrown around as if what, he was better than Ed Belfour,

Johnny Bauer, Curtis Joseph? I mean, I don't think that's okay. Well, Kujo Joseph, another guy who's eligible. Yeah, he's been eligible for a long time. Right, so the- I remember they were picking between Tuca Rask and Justin Pogge and they picked obviously Tuca Rask to go to Boston in my first ever Inner Squad game with the Leafs. I lost the faceoff and it went D to D and a guy took a snapshot on Justin Pogge from

the far blue line and it went top glove. And I looked back there and i said no way man that's the guy who picked after her past that that all the man that's not good when the first like rich shot gets by the guy who like it was a dump in from the far blue and went top glove i remember skating by a minute when the net we both started laughing i said that that just there's just no way that we're in theL. Tuca would have had that yeah I'm pretty sure Tuca would have had that. That probably was muttered a few times yeah from the bench right? Tuca would have had that.

Listen and there was also another special wasn't how many years ago nine years ago today was it? Oh Auston Matthews was drafted nine months nine years ago today man that time flies by That's the crazy, like we're joking about pictures and we had a photo shoot six years ago and yeah, it's man like that's the thing. Like Matthews, Marner, Nylander, they're going into year 10 and there's a million rumors out there now, like we're getting into heavy rumor season about, you know, Marner and possibly Vegas and gotta be careful.

Have they already worked it out? You know, and if so, does Vegas need to unload money, which is going to happen? Like if they're going to sign Marner, someone's like someone's going to have to go. Yeah, it wasn't there already rumors like they're moving off of that Thomas hurdle. Right. Hurdle or William Carlson, like that seems likely.

You got Eiko as your, as your, you know, one C. But the crazy thing is they just acquired Hurdle 16 months ago. Well, that's, you know what? Oh, I was saying to Brian off air, if Hurdle gets moved, that shows Vegas and their ability with Cutthroat. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, you're gonna be a great part of our future. Get healthy and we're gonna win cups with you.

One ousted by the Oilers, we don't like you anymore. Not that we don't like you, but we gotta move somebody and you're it. So tough beans. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? That would be my thought. Like I'm guessing Marner would get full no move,

full no trade. Like I'm, don't you think you'd have to if you're a ufa a prominent The prominent ufa. Yeah, you're not that's not like that's not even a talking point. That's an automatic I would think so but Vegas is a different beast like this Vegas say hey We'd love to have me that Vegas signs contract without those elements in them Well, I don't think hurdle was signed in San Jose. So obviously that but but what is wrong? I don't know. What does mark stone have on his deal? We'll have to check that, I don't think so. I mean, Hurdle was signed in San Jose, so obviously that, but, but, does Hurdle have no- Okay, what does Mark Stone have on his deal? We'll have to check that. I don't know. He signed like an immediately when he got there. Is there talk of him maybe not playing anymore? Like, is that talk? Like Mark Stone?

No, I think Stone's going to be fine. I think people, you know, is, what's going to happen with Patrangelo? The health of Patrangelo,rangelo. Like he had some real health issues clearly. So, you know, I don't know, they get a lot of big numbers on the books. You know, Ico's getting paid, Stone's getting paid, Hurdle's getting paid, Patrangelo's getting paid. Yeah. You know, if you go get Mitch Marner,

it's, Marner's not going there for, I don't think a penny less than what he's making right now. It might be 11 and a half. It's 11 and a half or something like that. Maybe it's 12. Maybe it's the ranting in deal. Yeah. You know, is it is he does he look at it and say, well, ranting in and no state tax, blah, blah, blah. Look, eight years at 12. I'll take seven at 12. Yeah, I think that's a reasonable comparison. I think that would make sense. If Vegas wants to be creative, would they call Toronto and say, you know, we'll trade for him and get

me an eighth year. Well, well, and that has been brought up like speculating. But if you're the Leafs, would you, would you be looking at hurdle? Would you be looking at William Carlson? Like if they have to shed money to Sure. would get me thinking. Well, they get me intrigued anyway.

They certainly would get you the blood boil and you're like, okay, if we're going to take now depends on the player. But yeah, if you on the player but yeah if you're looking at hurdle if you're looking at you know Carlson Carlson to be your second line center would you not yeah I mean it's difficult to explain to the Leaf fan walking around town guys because they'll be like noodles pull up the goal totals for hurdle and Carlson and the Leaf fan the T two bars and is going to say all i know is two bars had thirty eight goals last year like people are really kind of fixated on that thirty eight goals where they're

all had thirty two last year but i i think you're on the summit it's very important point out this week we've had this conversation and i've heard it on your losing a hundred point player right who cares like that's it's not about hundred points during the regular Season that's not why the Leafs are doing anything You're also because I think you got if you got to fall through So all that is I'm a bar line being comfortably into the playoffs

I we have disagreeing but Mitch Marner on it does it was not why they made the playoffs nine years in a row That's not why they they've made the playoffs every year has been in the league nine years in a row. That's not why they have made the playoffs every year has been in the league. Austin's still here, Nylander's still here, Nyes we presume will be signed and still here. You get both goalies, all six defensemen. I would phrase it like this though, very important piece if not one of the top two or three all day long. Mitch Marner you're talking about?

Yes, of course. Yes, yes. In terms of the way he plays and everything he brings, what I'm driving at is, what you just said, well 38 goals, 100 points. It's like, okay, how many points did they have in game five, six, and seven? How many big goals did they score in their playoff careers? Those numbers count too, and that's why they're changing. And again, the obsession with the individual statistic and applying it. We just heard Matthew Kachuk say it. When Edmonton, it was McDavid Dryasettle, McDavid Dryasettle, this guy, that guy, this guy, that guy. We were a team

that had depth and could rely on each other. The same thing needs to apply here. Now the Leafs have to get it right. I'm not sitting here guaranteeing that they will. But the idea that you're obsessed with, well, Marner's out, so that's 100 points that just evaporates and now they can't make the playoffs, is inaccurate. I totally agree. And disingenuous. Because the depth, everyone looking at that Florida team, that third line was as important as the first line. Yes.

And they would just take turns. And not just the depth, how it wasn't about high price guys and the money allocated to them because you can't have quality players on your third line if all your top guys on the top two are 13, 12, 11. It doesn't work. You can't afford quality players on your third line. Exactly. So it's not just about the player.

It's about the dollar amount attached to them. It's proven now. There was conversations for a long time. Can a team win the cup with one guy that makes 10 million? One! Well that's it. Jack Eichel was the first guy to do it. And I think Barkov's at 10 on the nose or whatever or Bob. But that's it. That's it. That's the idea of having four guys at 12 and 13. You cannot have depth on your team. That's the whole point. That's what needed to change because again it would have been the let's say perfect world, kumbaya both parties, Marner

in the Leafs and Tavares in the Leafs, everyone wants to stay together. The easy thing, the easy way out would be fine we'll give you the 13-5 or whatever we'll pay you like Austin here John let's get it over with and not make it complicated here's your your seven million. And they'd make the playoffs. And they'd get back into a big game against a very good team and it would be like, wow, look who you got in your third line and your fourth line and these guys don't show up in the biggest moments.

It had to change. So like the idea of obsessing over the 100 points in the regular season leaving as opposed to the opportunity for a fresh start in a new future. To me is, yeah, I think think people looking at it the wrong way uh... by we're gonna grill bob mckenzie on being in the room for the hockey hall of fame all you're you're gonna start you got to ask you know that

i've been asked about matthew schaefer and i have not going anywhere and you have to get a cop out on the other day you're asking him because you're the one that's going on i guess i know what we're allowed to ask him that i'm gonna have to know is make me ask that question i'll quit the show on life i will not ask your you're not i'm not gonna have a minute i was a combo understand that the guys literally in the room he's a hall of famer i know but you're not we can't ask i'm gonna ask him that though but you i

don't need your to answer if he says i can't talk about that we move on well we asked about matthew shaffer okay but the i want to ask him point blank what are you allowed to talk about when it comes to that's a fair that's a fair question yes what are you allowed to talk about the watcher and now there's a chance to he's gonna call me and he's just not answer watch it this guy might be prickly and hang up on telling you that i have a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a i saw a lot on saturday night He looked unbelievable. I the draft rankings are out

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bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score. Mike Johnson coming up later this afternoon. Jay's back in action tonight down in Cleveland. Aaron Rodgers speaking about his future. We'll get to that. Confirm and deny in about an hour. But big day for the Hockey Hall of Fame. Big day for the Hockey Hall of Fame. There are 18 prestigious people in that room that vote. Yes. And one of them happens to join us now here is he's in the hall of fame is bob mckenzie

it's happening bob actually seventeen prestigious people and me the right you're in the hall of fame your hall of fame and you get a jacket or what now i i i i want to know more for his for the word which is a very nice honor from the pro-vice occupiers association uh... and they like the anyL Broadcasters Association with the Foster Hewitt Award, they get to have a display in the great hall of the hockey hall of fame.

But to suggest that I'm an actual hall of famer, I would not make that leap. But I do have a jacket that looks exactly like the one the players wear except if you look at the embroidered crest on the pocket it says media honoree and I got the jacket I think it was 2017 when I got the the award and received it at the luncheon and I was very honored to do so they gave me the jacket I put it on for pictures and I've never put it on since then and I never will because it looks too much. Bobby, why wouldn't you wear the jacket to cocktail parties or events or anything?

Well, only if I go with you and you wear your Leaf alumni jacket. These guys think I'm crazy. If i went to a summer wedding or something and where my leaf alumni jacket and they think that's insane yeah we we could go and dumb and dumb and wear that together i like that idea that you got two jackets yeah i like it uh... well bob let me ask you because we've been debating noodles and are convinced

there of the belief you you cannot even speak about the Hall of Fame, like in any capacity because of your voting duties. That's correct. So that is correct, you can't say anything about anything, including the players that went in or how does this work? Not really, other than the most important thing is there's the maximum size class going in, so James Duffy on on induction night has to work extra hard and extra long because there'll be eight speeches and that makes me happy to know that Jimmy's got to do extra work. Yeah, you're not allowed to speak about it.

You and I have talked about it. I was just trying to establish it. It's sworn to secrecy. Which is fair trying to establish it. You're not allowed it's sworn to secrecy. Okay, but here's which is fair and I respect it but our bigger debate Bob was If there was anything that was going to change It's not about making James Duthie's night a little tougher But if there if there was maybe six guys that were we would call first ballot Hall of Famers like have they ever thought about maybe expanding

as to like the amount of people go in in that draft class as opposed to just you guys voting on who deserves those spots? I don't know the answer to the question, but I honestly believe that the reason the numbers are limited.

So my understanding, I think I can't talk about this because this is all public knowledge. The most number of male players that can go in any given year is zero to, I should say this, the range of number that can go in in the male player category is zero to four.

You do not have to put anybody in if you so choose. That the maximum number of players including skaters and goalies in the men's division is four. The maximum number of skaters and goalies in the female players category is two, zero to two. And then you've got two builders, zero to two builders available to be inducted. But if there's a separate category for NHL on-ice officials, and I believe if one of the on-ice officials is inducted, then it reduces the builder category from two, it reduces the builder category from two maximum for the builder category from two to one. So as I say this is all basic knowledge and I don't know the pure motivation for it but I actually do believe it's so that the ceremony doesn't become a six hour ceremony already

like two or three hours and I think for the people that are going into the hall of fame you wanted to be special for them and you don't want twelve people going in on that in the night because and to serve the nation's part little bit i would think that's that's my take on it well bob you were a lot of hats these days because you're also you know you put together your final draft rankings where it's officially draft week and I don't think it's surprising that you have Matthew Schaefer

atop your list and I believe he's been there for the majority of the season. How do you like how do you go about trying to describe this player like you know you always see mock drafts it's like this guy reminds me of Bobby Orr this guy reminds me of Wayne Gretzky you know like what what is a reasonable expectation for this kid yeah it's hard to know because I think the thing with comparables is people lose their minds when you use a comparable and I understand that but if you're trying to denote or denote a style of play then then then that's you know that's fair so with so it's a scar but Niedermeyer okay well now you start to get an idea this guy must be a really good skater he must have escaped the puck up yeah he must be

there's a punch must be he can really get back on defense and shut plays down he's got a good stick and doesn't blow people up, but he's a real good one on one. So yeah, so that's not a bad comparison, but nobody, it's too early to say on this particular day that Matthew Schaefer is going to the Hall of Fame like Scott Niedermeyer did, or that he's going to win the Cubs like Scott Niedermeyer or the gold medals in the Olympics and everything else that Nietermeyer won. So that's a perilous game. And it's funny, you say Bobby Orr.

I was watching play at the game half that he played and I think I turned around and I said oh oh I'm not for this guy to be Bobby Orr or anything else but watch him for a face-off and look at how bowed his legs are the way Bobby Orr's legs were bowed and then watch him when he gets the puck and how fast he is with it and he's constantly changing direction and he actually and then one scope did mention this in terms of the guy broke his collarbone driving to the net and it wasn't because somebody hit him into the net it was because he was so fearless in going to the net that he put himself in harm's way and one of the things I talked to said he's gonna have to learn not to put himself in so many perilous situations because the next, he's going to have to learn not to put himself in so many perilous situations

because the next level he's going to be up against big men who want to take your head off. And it's one thing to be able to skate like the wind like he does and do cut backs or whatever. But Bobby or himself once told me, the reason I got as many knee injuries as I did so early in my career was because I was so fast, I was somewhat reckless, and I was fearless, and I would change direction and try to make plays that maybe I shouldn't have made, and then you end up, you know, a guy's trying

to get a PCA, you dodge out of the way, and the next thing you know, you guys trying to get a PCA you dodge out of the way the next thing you know your ACL is gone so he there are elements of his game that do remind me of Bobby or both in a good and a bad way but he's a he's a trajectory is a top pair of defensemen at the worst and maybe a number one guy I should be able to run a power plane should be able to be a top penalty killer should be able to play 25 minutes 30 and should be able to be a top penalty killer, should be able to play 25 minutes, 30 minutes a night. And as I said, 10 out of 10 scuds, Adam is the top guy. And the guy at number two is no slouch either, Michael Miza. He was literally an exceptional player by Hockey Canada in 2022.

He got exceptional player status. The head of the league is a 15 year old in the OHL. And he averaged almost very close to a 15 year old in the OHL and he averaged almost very close to a goal a game in the OHL this year and he averaged two points a game in the OHL for Saginaw. He's a six foot one center, smart as a whip, real good scaler, great hands. So the scouts kind of said they think you know Schaeffer is the number one guy there there's a little bit of a gap or depending on the scope you talked to maybe a little more than a little bit of a gap between him and Misa but there

are some scouts who say hey it's 51-49 for Schaeffer but Misa is right there and then after those top two guys then it does open up a more considerable gap between two and the rest of the class. Bobby, I can't remember, I mean you do the draft ranking and stuff, I just kind of focus on the power play at the World Juniors and who did what. But I can't remember a guy, because there was some discussion who was going to be the number one pick, that made a bigger impact on his draft status in such a short amount of time. Like this guy played a couple pre-tournament games and was outstanding and everybody was building steam and then he played like a game and a half or two games whatever he played and everyone was like, that's the first overall pick.

It was incredible the impact he had in such a short amount of time. It was and oh you know what this permit yet mononuclear system to start the season so we missed the first nine games nine regular stevie games of the area otter and pretty much all of the income you can read comes into the country into play at the end of september beginning of october whatever it was and

he proceeds to play 17 games to early December when it was time to go to the World Junior Camp. So he goes, oh sorry, there was two more games in there, so maybe 19 games, because they had that two game showcase in November between the CHL draft eligible against the US draft eligible. And so they played the game in London, the game in Oshawa. He was brilliant in both of them. And so he played 19 games going into the world juniors. He plays one and a half, not even one and a half games though. And we saw him he was just dominant. He was the best player on the ice. He was just breathtaking in terms of what he was doing. He breaks his collarbone.

He's done to the year. He finally gets cleared to come back on May 1st, but the otters are done by then. And it's almost like absence makes the heart grow fonder. The scouts didn't need to see anything more than that. And no player has been drafted number one overall on such a small sample size in his draft year. The closest anyone got was Gord Kluzak in 1982. First year I was editor in chief of the hockey news and I went to the

draft. Boston took Gord Kluzak number one and he only played I think 34 games that year because he blew his knee out. So I always remember that draft because the first three players taken were Gord Kluzak, Brian Bellows and Gary Nyland. Gary Nyland was on crutches because he blew his knee out. Leafs took him and Nyland and Kluzak, he was on crutches. He was on crutches and the Bruins took him first overall on 34 games. But to play only 17 games in the regular season, two in a showcase game and one and a half at the world juniors and still be the number one guy that tells

you that you're pretty special. I did ask the scouts, I said, Hey, do you think there's any chance that if he had played more games that you would have started picking his game apart? Oh, you know what? He did this, he did this, the more you see him. And one of them said, well. Oh, you know what? He did this. He did this. The more you see him. And one of them said, well, yeah, you know what? Familiarly does breach contempt, but we still think he's got all the tools to be a top pair,

the number one defenseman in the national hockey league. And whether they're, whether it should be flipped between him and Miza, some scouts may debate that. But nobody seems to be arguing with those two guys being clearly at the top of this year's class. Did you just say the Leafs took a guy who was on crutches? One of their better picks. Never got off them. Grantsland pick. You don... like that philosophy for team building from that i guess and i should also put it out there

eight came with one of the other guy who if i'm not mistaken in fact you're and full full cap and cletcher but he seemed to be alright but i thought that it was a good but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but but the usually you're looking around somebody like you tell your skill finding an athlete

crowd but not find a guy with like her and the brace the you know that would have been the herald ballard sitting down and wheeling up in a chair. He's like, they're putting his jersey on his lap. What's going on here? Obviously. Was it Nyland though? Gary Nyland?

Gary Nyland. Yeah, I played with Nyland. He was actually a hell of a player. That would have been interesting back in the day where everyone was up in the seats. He's on the floor. He's in a wheelchair on the floor. Ah, it's ridiculous. Just wheel him up. That's the future of the Maple Leafs right there. He is awesome though.

Well, we'll see what comes of it, Bob. Yeah, it's gonna be a fun week with the draft and we got McKenna next year. Like that one, that feels like it's gonna be a big one, doesn't it? You have it, McKenna? They all do, but I mean, it's one after another, it seems. I mean, when did it slow up?

I mean, Nadard and Celebrini, and Schaeffer kid, and next year McKenna, and also, you know, the pipeline young talent from all the countries, but Canada's done real well lately with coming to get these kids at the top. So we'll see what happens, and away we go. I wish we had more time. We could have done the outsider segment, where I tell you, I have no clue where Mitch Marner

is going. I have no clue where anybody is signing. I don't know anything about any of the trades. And I'm the Outsider. I got you breaking the big one on Tuesday. I got Bob coming over the top, Mitch Marner staying in Toronto on an eight-year deal. Just a massive bombshell. We got our eyes on you Bob. You may well be disappointed AZB. Yeah possibly. Bobby

just do your old trick like you used to do and just conserve energy but like usually about an hour before free agency you would send out a tweet with six guys and where they were going and then you would just sit there all day and say I already told you guys this There's no tampering rules anymore it seems so that's right all these all these deals most of these deals all be done In the 48 hours before the thing actually kicked off at noon on on tuesday that's right well draft later this week free agency free agent frenzy uh... on tuesday will catch you then bob thanks for doing us a voice

great to talk to you have a good one always great channeling of bob mckenzie it is an hockey outsider yet told you couldn't talk about it i just felt that ask me bob's a journalist he can appreciate that he can ask the tough questions fair one time I tried to call Bob like three weeks after the free-agent frenzy And I was getting into a player Like it was a scoop about something a player and he interrupted me and he goes

Hey, man, I just want to let you know That I'm off the clock And I go what do you mean and he goes I just don't take calls. Don't stop calling me. Yeah basically yeah it was just a very weird ending and he goes we don't I don't take calls in the summer. No offense but lose my number until Labor Day. I love it. I never call that guy in the summer. I love a guy that's dressed up straight up right at you. It might not even have been a conversation.

It might have been I called him and he texts back. Yeah. Really? And he said, I'm off the clock and I don't take calls in the summer. I was like, okay, man. That's crazy. You know what though? Like it is funny because these insiders, if Mitch

Marner decides that he's gonna wait 10 days, well insiders would be pissed. Well we said it like CJ said it yesterday, he's like I'll be ready to go man. Yeah. You guys give me a ring, I'm coming on to talk about it. So yeah, that could be happening. Mike Johnson, in about 15 minutes, we have more picks from our photo shoot today. I could not be stiffer. There was a round where you two are interacting and I am sitting there not moving the whole time. It's actually pretty hilarious.

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All right, Mike Johnson in 10 minutes, confirming the night coming up at 530. Trevor May will join us as well. Jay's back in action in Cleveland tonight. Max Scherzer will make his return tomorrow night. I hope he's okay with this heat. That wool jacket I had on, I usually like to wear a jacket. I had to remove it. I couldn't do it, man. My basement is an ice chest. And I put it on and I started sweating. I'm like, I can't do this heat.

And there's guys across my next door neighbor, I don't know what the hell this is, he's underpinning his basement, which is just a hellacious job, okay? They're like digging a massive hole to make his basement bigger. And these poor guys, I don't know how they're doing it, man. It's outrageous outside. It is, man. But when you have winters, you got to grind. That's the thing. You can't say, I'm going to take the day off. You You gotta take advantage of the fact that it's not raining. No kidding. I mean, what would you rather have? I mean, you'll have this heat.

I'll take the seat all day, man. Are you able to golf in this? I have not golfed the last two days. I have not. Too hot even in the morning? No, you can't golf in this. I'm not doing it, man. And we've been busy, we've had a lot going on,

and I wasn't gonna play anyway, but this would have been very uncomfortable like incredibly uncomfortable but if you're asking me the alternative is 20 below I'm taking this every single day of week and I'm fine with it but you're right man like we it was so hot driving in and I had like I'm in jeans because we're coming for this photo shoot I get in the car of course I got to get gas. Which means the car can't get cold enough before. So I'm dying to get to the gas station and then you got to turn the engine off and then restart and it's just like blowing heat at you.

You don't have that golf cart still. No, that thing's long gone. I wish I had that actually. That thing quick AC. Quick AC. Dude, I used to play a prank on my buddy. I used to have this old Mazda RX-7 and when it was hot like this, before he got in the car I would blare the heat instead of the AC and he would be dying.

And he'd be like, I just don't know what the hell is going on in your car right now. And I'd be like, the AC is blasting, man. And it would cripple him. It it's ugly man, it's ugly. Hour two coming up MJ and confirmed with deny. Overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSN 4. You've been listening to Overdrive powered by FanDuel. FanDuel bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. LGBTQ plus Canadian artists. Be yourself and stand proud. It's your soundtrack for Pride and Beyond. Just ask your smart speaker to play I Heart Pride Canada. Stream us on your phone or listen now at iheartradio.ca.

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