OverDrive - OverDrive - June 24, 2025 - Hour 3

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 3 on OverDrive! Host of the MayDay Podcast and Former MLB Pitcher Trevor May joins to discuss his perspective of Max Scherzer's return to the mound with the Blue Jays, Aaron Judge's approach at bat and Cal Raleigh's monster season. TSN Soccer Analyst Steven Caldwell joins to discuss Canada Soccer's performance at the Gold Cup, Jesse Marsch all clear through the CONCACAF investigations and the squad formation, the flurry of trades across the NBA and Hayes gives his FanDuel Best Bets.

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And he's finally making his return it's almost July which is crazy but he got injured in March half the way through the season yeah yeah that's a great point like everyone's it almost had the feeling that this is like two weeks away from spring training we're almost in July yeah well it went almost July and you're right Hayes if he comes back and something goes wrong it's like please go away. Well that's gonna be it. Yeah, like if it's another I gotta go see a specialist and I can't. There's no Complex League or anything after this. No. There's no time

left. There's not exactly like you gotta know you got Eric Lauer on the mound tonight who's been really good for them like he's pitched pitched very well. So you know Bassett's gonna pitch, you know Barrios is gonna pitch, you know Gosman's gonna pitch. Like those three guys, they remain healthy, they give you innings, they put up relatively good seasons, all three of them. The reliable guys, those guys are pitching.

Max Scherzer, if he's healthy, will be a part of this rotation. But then beyond that, you know, it's up for grabs, man. And Eric Lauer's pitched very, very well well and he's on the mound again tonight and so it's not like there's a lot up in the air there's a lot of injury issues I guess Varsha they shut him down again today because every time he starts running his hamstring starts acting up again that's tough like Varsha was he has not played a lot this year did not break camp with the team he started the year on the IL

right when he has been playing he's been hit for power you know he's a goal he's a best defensive center fielder in baseball right not available Santander is just like no one even on no one's even asking questions about what's up the bad side Garcia there's no update yeah it's like they've just shoulder or whatever wasn't feeling well could not put up any numbers and all we kept hearing was slow start but when it gets warm watch out the warmth has been here for a while and obviously he's you know it's not nothing's changing no so Trevor May on that and more in just a few moments I referenced this Ramona Shelburne of ESPN piece on Sam Presti who's who's been

running the show in Oklahoma city for a long time right and if that you guys can recall a decade ago it was the rant westbrook but that was their big three you know and they were a great team at surge of baca they had i think and repurchase was down there they made to the nba finals they lost to miami one of the lebron d wade years

and eventually the three of them all moved on in you know a variety of ways and in different timelines and then he had to start from scratch and then build back up and now it's like it's Shay who's the man clearly Williams who's a stud I think Chet Holmgren would probably be like the third guy like these young stud pieces. Right. Wasn't the Paul George trade the catalyst to the whole rebuild? Yes. So that was like they traded I think Victor Oladipo and someone else to get George. I believe that was it. Victor went to Indiana and then eventually they traded George obviously to LA when Kawhi made the choice and and that launched them into where they are today but this is what Shelburne wrote this time Presti cast

for humility instead of swagger the first three superstars grew too big for one team and eventually each needed a bigger pot to grow in they were as competitive with each other as they were with their opponents they had swagger and ambition and egos the three stars who brought home the Thunder's first championship this past Sunday night Delight in sharing the spotlight with each other So much so that man so much so that they bring the whole team into their interviews on the court after games It kind of like I don't know all the details of the Leafs in the core four But it like you're starting to hear rumblings now.

Who gets the attention, who gets the accolades, who gets this? And the Florida Panthers are another great example of that, where they're like, I don't know if they were crap-talking the McDowell, good McDowell, honestly, obviously they have a respect factor for McDavid and Dry Saddle, but like, I think they blurted it out, those guys care about points and all we care about is winning. Yeah. And it's a massive factor man It's it's listen and that's the thing about like using the Leafs as an example Like they there it's starting to come out, you know

I think was dregs telling us last week that you know The three of them in particular Matthews Marner Neal and are competitive like who's gonna have more points who's gonna score more? And it's like who cares what the hell you do that's they should yeah try to win yeah you're competing aren't you happy for each other right and doing whatever you can to win yeah and you know it just and some of that's probably the nature of the market where these guys showed up and they were gods day one man yes like day one it was like you guys are the future you're on the front page of the hockey news. You're going to bring the cup back to Toronto.

Blah blah blah. And that just kept growing and growing and growing. And now Marner's likely leaving. We'll see what happens with Tavaro. So he's a bit of an outlier on this particular analogy. But maybe the thunder, that's the future of the Maple Leafs. We'll see. All right. Jay's back in Cleveland tonight. Here is the host of foul territory in the Mayday podcast back on overdrive. Here's Trevor May

What's happening Trevor? Okay, all right, see if we can get him back on I don't know what's going on there do This could be one of those scenarios because well, we might start getting tweets where people on TV and on the radio they can hear them yeah but only we can't it's what just happened before or JPs yeah could be actually blame JP I think this is a JP or Joe from the bridge play there are people that will write it all the time they're like we can hear Trevor he said hi how are you I'm good guys and we can't hear it it's got to be very frustrating for the audience well he should just hang up then that's

the problem like that's what worries me is if he can hear us and then we can't hear him or do you know what kind of pull the Jake the loam on us and it wasn't Trevor May it's like Trevor yeah you know Trevor Hoffman yeah and he said actually we're not doing That you missed that last week we referenced that and played it for whatever reason All right, let's try this again. Here he is former ML beer host of foul territory in the Mayday podcast Here's Trevor May. How you doing Trevor? I'm doing well, how we doing guys all good, man. All good. Yeah, we're doing well. Thank you for doing this. We're excited up here in Toronto

because, you know, Jason hit the road and Max Scherzer is making his triumphant return tomorrow night. He's pitched three innings this year. Didn't go so well. He went on. Well, he went on a kind of a search for perfection of health and his elbow and his wrist and his shoulder and What what is your level of expectation for Max Scherzer as of tomorrow night? Well Having have played with Max for a year my expectations are always

Are always high because I think he sets very high standards for his play and his health. And I just wouldn't put, do him doing anything out of the ordinary past him. But I would say, if we can go out there and get four or five innings, that would be a big win. I think he's a guy who really likes to be cooking on all cylinders right away, but ramping up, I think, and just like, at this point, it's just eating innings

that is what's needed. So if he goes through the entire outing feeling good at the end of it, I would say that should be a smile on everyone's face. Would you agree though Trevor like if he shakes his hand one time or grabs his thumb or his ribs or anything that's probably game over for the whole operation for Max? I mean it wouldn't be a good sign and it would be an indicator that things aren't feeling as good as he needs them to feel.

So that would definitely be something that would need to be considered at that point. You know, time comes for all of us. He's 40 years old. You just don't heal like you used to. And it's harder and harder and harder just to kind of white-knuckle your way through pain. You know, the older you get, you got to feel better to pitch well. And I think anyone who's pitched as long as he had, and we'll tell you that. So, um, you know, fingers across though, there's, he seems like he's, he's well aware of what was going on and what the issues have been. And he's done what he needs to do.

He's one of the hardest workers I've ever seen to fix it to best, the best of his ability. So one thing I'm confident in is that make sure there's going to be in a position to have success. It's just whether or not it happens. But yeah, I think that he's going to be watched like a hawk, not only by fans and everyone like in the booths and on TV, but also by that front office. So Trevor, we talk about the Jays daily.

What is the perception of the Jays from outside this market and what this team is you know their strengths or weaknesses what do you like about them or maybe some of the needs that they need to take a look at? That's a good question. One definitely even when I was playing before like the last decade or so it's it's they've always been known to be able to swing it It's interesting because I feel like that that kind of wasn't the case last year or two And and some of the pitching has been a little better or at least the starting pitching But it's a dangerous team. It's a team. You can't really take advantage or you can't

Look past. I mean, I think they're five games over 500. They're riding the hunt this year. That's maybe even a little bit better than a lot of the rest of the league would have anticipated. And it's just if you go in and you're not prepared to play, they just absolutely boat race you for three days and no one wants that to happen.

So I think that, or at least the other teams don't. I mean, I guess you guys would love that. So, for outside looking in, it is interesting that it's the one Canadian team, sometimes they go overlooked in terms of watching, you're watching MLB Network, or you're sitting in the clubhouse and watching all the other teams. You know, maybe the Blue Jays aren't in front

of your face as much, but definitely known as a team, as a organization that's going to be in the hunt there at the end and that they can go up and put 15 runs on you if you're not careful. And that's been my experience. Yeah, and I think that applies this year. You're right about the Bats. You know, it was remarkably frustrating last year, even the year prior to that where they made the playoffs 89 wins, but could not get big hits with runners in scoring position didn't hit for much power but that's changed a lot you know recently in the last month and a half there's been a lot of bats picking up Addison Barger's been huge young guy who's an everyday player now Lottie's heating up

Alejandro Kirk's been outstanding Bichette's been really really good Springer's hitting for some power and they're in the hunt in the American League East. You know, they're five games above 500, they're in a wild card spot, they're only three and a half back of the Yankees, and the American League East, you know, coming into the year, there was a belief that it would be more watered down than in the past, and I guess that maybe is coming to fruition, although there's, you you know a lot of teams that are hunting for playoff spots that play in the American League East and I'm curious Do you see the Yankees as like a clear-cut best team in the division or do you think the Rays and and now most recently?

The Blue Jays might have a chance at actually catching them by the end of the year. I Would say yes to that question three weeks ago I would be much more confident in saying yes, especially with the way that Rodone had started the season and how him and Freed have really taken over for the absence of Karen Cole. But he's come down to earth a little bit. The team in general has come down to earth a little bit. The backside of their lineup has kind of slowed down.

Even though Aaron Judge is still hitting 370, he's not hitting 420 anymore. So the gap has been closed and I would not put it past Tampa and Toronto to make a run of this thing because it's happened in the past and it's kind of the name of the game with this division a lot. Tampa's been on an absolute tear. I just think it comes down to who gets hot when, but I definitely think it's winnable. It's a much closer division than maybe was anticipated

maybe a couple weeks ago. Trevor, you gotta explain one thing to me. When I watch Judge smash one, basically out of ballparks, I always ask myself, what on earth was the pitcher doing putting that thing anywhere close to that? And I know that nobody's a coward in the big leagues, but I just wonder why it's not like Serrano curveball in the dirt every time.

And it's like, I'm not going to let this guy try to just smash this. I don't understand the thought process. Well, there's a couple things going on with Judge and I'll be honest Juan Soto is very similar in this way I'll even throw a Kyle Schwaber in this in this area I think actually Schwaber and judge are definitely a closer comparison simply because you want them to strike out They swing a miss they have swing a miss and so now that you you know the end and judge will miss stuff in the Zone and so will Schwab er it's just very specific spots

And if you hit those very specific spots over and over and over again, they'll just be out Unfortunately, those two guys are have been around long enough and have completely committed to the idea have been around long enough and have completely committed to the idea, to the fact that they know how their swing operates, what they can hit the hardest, and they just made a decision that if a pitch is missed in that zone, it simply is not gonna be missed, and I'll take whatever else comes with that. If I keep getting those really perfect pitches

over and over again, then I'll get out, but 99% of guys can't do that as much as they need to, and I'm good I'm strong enough where I'm gonna get them and they both have they're both hitting tons of home runs so if you go look at like I look at heat maps for example where they do damage and where swings and misses are judge has a couple cold zones that if you just threw it there every time he simply won't hit the ball the problem is that that spot especially when he's dialed in like he has been all

year that spot is just really small and dialed in like he has been all year, that spot is just really small and it's really, really hard to do. And I think that's what he's the reason he's that way. He's that way. And that's why the playoffs sometimes struggle because he's getting the best pitchers in the league every single time. And they're hitting those spots more often than, you know, the rookies are sometimes in the, in the minor or not the minors in the regular season. And, and he just makes you pay. Uh, Bryce Harper is another guy who does this extremely well. you know the rookies are sometimes in the in the minor or is not a minor in the regular season and

And he just makes you pay uh, brice harper's another guy who does this extremely well If you can hit a couple spots every time he'll concede that you get him out But he knows that the vast majority guys aren't going to hit those spots every time and he's going to crush if you don't And judge is the best guy on the planet at doing that the former mob pitcher host of foul territoryl Territory and the Mayday podcast Trevor May. So this season Cal Raleigh's having is just absurd man like he's got 32 home runs he leads the majors in home runs. I'd love to know the last time a catcher did that this late in the season if ever. I mean you mentioned Judge all he does is mash Ot tawny mash is they're looking up at this guy He's on pace for I believe 68 home runs this year. He's got 32. We haven't hit the all-star break yet

You know his OPS is off the charts. He's leading the league in RBI Mariners are a pretty good team. They're in the hunt to make the playoffs, but What more can you say Trevor? Can you add to this like how do you put this in a perspective what this guy's doing at the plate it's really really hard to put in your spectrum because it is that kind of an outlier season it he actually it does have the most home runs he broke Johnny Brent's record for before the All-Star break there was like 28 so he did it a while did it a while ago I don't know he said like four a day at this point or two every day so it could have been a couple days ago but yes the things he's doing are absolutely incredible.

We've been having the conversation about who's the MVP today, if it's him or Judge. Here's some really fun stats for you. Cal Raleigh has more home runs than Aaron Judge, which is Aaron Judge is kind of his thing. So, he's not even leading in that category. And he also has more stolen bases than Aaron Judge and he is way better metrics defensively than Aaron Judge and he's an everyday

catcher so it comes down to yeah they're batting averages are you know a hundred points apart but that is the only huge advantage that the judges had and he's having an incredible season I think that puts into perspective what Calralli is doing and also the strike zone was adjusted a little bit this year. There was a story that came out reported by the Athletic earlier about changes in the buffer zone for the umpires. And long story short, the umpires have been incentivized to tighten up the edges a little bit more. And that high strike has very much not gone away, but it's way less likely to be called or framed.

And that was Cal Raleigh's bread and butter. He was the best guy in the league at catching those top, those high pitches and getting them called strikes. And those have gone away. So that has actually hurt his metrics and he's still in the top seven catchers in receiving. So I, I just, I can't say enough. And just, and he's like, it's just a catcher. Like, just don't Don't get the love that they deserve

I was on felt territory earlier today with AJ Prudinski and he is I don't think there's a bigger fan of Cal Raleigh on the planet than AJ Prudinski and I I was Some we don't agree on on everything but that was one thing we were both very much in agreement on Stats are crazy. Like you said the grind behind the plate what he does defensively you know his teams in the high and it's just it's a magical season and it's it's a magical magical season he is trevor may and and we always appreciate him finding time for us thank you for doing this trevor will do it again down the road

or anytime dot there is former mlb are hosted fallritory and the Mayday podcast. Doesn't that catcher have like a nickname, like Big Dumper? Yes, I believe that is precisely what the nickname is. Some tough nicknames out there. There are, man. Somebody changed their,

was it Dicky the Dick or something? Yeah, Richard Love Lady, so he's Dicky Love Lady. He wants to be known as that. Well, is it for the weekend thing? Is it the players weekend? You know how they do one weekend a year where you go by your nickname? I think that's... I think it's...

He wants that... I think it's permanent, Dougie. Look that up. But I think he wants to just go by Dickie Love Lady. That's a tough... I mean, Love Lady... It's not a bad name, man. I mean, listen, it's a throwback.

Like Richard usually just goes by Richard these days. You don't see a lot of short-forming Richard anymore. No. But with a handle like that, Love Lady. That's great, I mean, what a name. It is. Dickie Love Lady out there just mowing down batters. Yeah.

But yeah, Cal Raleigh, man, like these, for starters, that handle, it's such a catcher's name. Cal and yeah, big dumper behind the plate. 32 bombs. What would Alejandro Kirk's nickname be? Tim Heron. Little Dumper? Yeah.

I don't know if Little's a part of the program for for Alejandro but he's playing well, man He's very very great. So you're the catcher man Yeah, but yeah, Jason Cleveland tonight Eric Lauer on the mound and sure is on the mound tomorrow night All right, Canada back in action tonight. We'll catch up with Stephen Caldwell. Steve. He's down there in Houston. It's hot here I can only imagine what it's like down in Houston. Oh my god. So we'll catch up with Stevie get his take on the match tonight gold cup continuing and you know what's the latest here with with Jesse Marsh and you know what he needs to take from this and move forward as we're under a year away from the world cup coming to Toronto North America for that matter best bet still to come as well later in the hour.

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And there's like this kind of discourse online where people are saying just you gotta retire. Wow. Like you gotta stop. And now they're making so much money and people are buying tickets and they're touring through Europe and I think they're going back to Australia, which is big. But Angus Young looks like mister burns now the whole is the hairs all mangled any rolled out of a dumpster yeah i get in and he's just an all-time great selling out like massive stadiums yes but i'm of its a ccdc it's a source longer seen them live

there are no i don't like selling it out of hell they are all around the kind of like smaller venues. They're massive venues. Yes, massive. Well, it's not worth their time to play a bar or something. I'm not talking about a bar, but I'm talking like an amphitheater or something. No, no, no.

They play stadiums, dude. They play stadiums, dude. Because these guys are making hundreds of millions of dollars still. So I don't even blame them for saying I'm going to do it, but it's... I just saw a quick video that, again, has gone viral of Angus Young you it's wild to see this guy yes like you know and he's trying to play and he's trying to sing and keep up it's just a bad scene man well that being said the stones like I've seen them I don't know if you've seen I've seen them and I've told you I'm convinced Keith

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was trying to be good like i was trying to give somebody the memory of this guy used to play in the n h l could score goals and ike i couldn move. In your mind, you were like... In my mind, I just wanted to see what it looked like because it was like I had no shoulder pads on and just an absolute monster barrel hanging over my hockey pants. You probably still have a rocket of a shot though. That's the thing. Yeah, but it was just it was so bad to feel that I

Can't have had I wanted to see what it looked like because it had to have looked so bad Yeah, well, and that's the thing man. You were you were in your late 30s, you know, like this is different You know ACD 78 years. Yeah. Yes, like I experienced that at 36 right now So could you imagine doing that in third like in 25 more years you go back out there and try to play with a leaf Jersey on yeah, I don't know man. It's tough to tell somebody to retire, but you've done enough ACDC's had a great run I presume they're all worth a fortune. Yeah great band. We all love ACDC You just I think you got to stop stop i think i'm in the camp and maybe just hang on the call to all could play forever

that's the that's a guy that probably could use down there in houston we've got canada versus el salvador tonight the gold cup continuing and here's our main manner yes and soccer analyst even called well i don't even do well guys who would do in god doing all right man, it's warm up here. What's the weather like down in Houston? It's pretty warm in Houston, tell you that as well. Yeah, we're in a bit of a heat wave in Houston as well.

So it's going to be a hot night for the guys as it was on Saturday. It's not going to be easy conditions to play the type of football I think Canada excel in, which is high paced and up and down. So yeah, I'll have to manage that a bit again tonight I feel. Yeah those are always interesting games man when you like and I guess that's coming in the World Cup like you I'm sure you played a lot of different games with a lot of different

elements whether it's cold whether it's too hot like how would you expect Marsh because it's a pretty big match for them tonight like how would you expect him to to lay out his lineup and how does he distribute minutes tonight? because it's a pretty big match for them tonight. Like how would you expect him to lay out his lineup and how does he distribute minutes tonight? Yeah, that's an interesting question, isn't it? Like how does he spread out the minutes here? Because I think what he found in last summer's Copa America was that if he plays the same guys,

as you get to latter stages, you start to see that they're very tired and he sort of wants to make changes, but you're not going to make changes in a quarter or semi-final So I think he's tried to space it around this group stage worked in the first game Obviously didn't work so well in the second game. We'll see what he does tonight Does he start to go towards his main 11 for the rest of this tournament or does he still kind of chop and change and try? A few different partnerships knowing that he's highly likely to get through the group, El Salvador, if they win by five goals, I believe it is, to knock Canada out. So they're in the next round, they're in the quarterfinals, and I wonder if he still

makes changes or if he says, okay, it's sort of knockout football now and he's going to bed in his best team to play the remainder of the tournament. Stevie, does he have to be on his best behaviour minus Ps and Qs or what the hell's going on with him? It's been a saga, isn't it? Oh, like what the hell, man? Yeah, he's been a bit of a soap opera guy, I have to say. I mean, Konki Kaaf in a lot of ways

make these sort of weird and peculiar rules and sort of style of doing things that's different for FIFA or UEFA or most governing bodies. So I can see why a manager in an organization would get so frustrated with them, especially when you're not one of the top two in terms of Mexico and the USA. They clearly get favoritism through everything.

And so I think because Canada is competing with them on the field and they think of themselves as number one and CONCACAF they feel that that should be reflected in some of the decisions that are made and they've felt a bit persecuted by that so you know it's got a little bit childish I think it's wise of Canada Soccer to dial back a bit now and concentrate on the football, concentrate on the field and hopefully Conker Caffell can take that stance as well. So I don't expect any more, Shananigans let's call it on the touch line,

but you just never know if there's a crazy decision and Jesse Marrs feels like he goes against his team. He's such a passionate character. I wouldn't be surprised if he's right in it again. He's one of the guys, he's probably a bit like myself. It's hard to stay away from the conflict that sort of comes to you if he's right in it again, he's one of the guys, he's probably a bit like myself, it's hard to stay away from the conflict that sort of comes to you, and you've got that attitude, you sort of face it head on.

With Stephen Caldwell, in terms of Marsh kind of like a guy who's serving a suspension and the reviewing what might have been going on while he was doing that, and you mentioned the difference between CONCACAF and other, you know, ruling parties around the world. Are you of the impression that Caldwell, you know, has been warned kind of across the board by maybe Canadian soccer and the CSA? Like, watch yourself here, even with what you just pointed out, he can run hot, he's a passionate guy, loves his players, wants to win. Like what would a different looking Jesse Marsh, you know, appear like tonight? And I guess throughout the rest of this tournament. That's the balance, isn't it?

It's a hard balance to get because you don't want to lose who you are as a person and what your personality is because that's sort of why you've been hired and why you've been successful. You know, he's been successful so far for Canada. So he's got to find that balance and I think it's sort of take off the chip in the shoulder a little bit and start to realise that most of the decisions even themself out. That's what I think. I think when you've got a logical head on you go, well, we get some for us, we get some against us. You know, you think of the penalty kick at Nations League where Cornelius got fouled by the Mexican defender,

should have been a penalty, it wasn't given. That's what sort of led to the ban because he was furious heading into the USA game. But then you look at Saturday night where there was a whistle that came for the crowd and it came off Saliba's hand and Canada get the decision because the rest decides it's gonna to be a drop ball instead of what to the letter of the law should have been a penalty kick.

So, you know, it goes in ebbs and flows. So I think that they should just sort of get on with it on the field and I don't think Jesse Marce should change too much but you got to make sure that you're within the laws and within the rules of the game. So, you know, you can get carried away at times and you want to fight for your team and these guys really love them, respect Jesse Marrs. He's been that figurehead. He's been that real vocal voice for them in many levels.

But I think it's time now to kind of try and dial that back a bit and sort of empower these guys to go out in the field and play and deliver for Canada. You know, once the whistle goes and you put them out there, it's up to them to get the job done. So he should focus, I think, on getting the game plan right and sort of setting up the best team and then letting them take care of the rest. Canada, El Salvador and TSN tonight wrapping up the group stage of the Gold Cup.

Here we're chatting with Stephen Caldwell. Steve is down there in Houston. And I've seen that TSN has posted a new episode of Park the Bus, yourself and Kevin Kilban are you know releasing all these new episodes and there'll be a bunch of them leading up all the way to the World Cup that again starts in less than a year and I'm seeing the title on today's episode that was released and again it's an hour long it's a great great chat great great view you got to check it out YouTube wherever it happens

to be wherever you download podcasts but is Jonathan David a top-10 striker in the world that is the the thumbnail of the conversation I'm sure you guys get into a lot of different things but I guess I'll ask that question I'll have you answer it where does Jonathan David rank for you around the world when it comes to his striking ability? So I think there's a shortage of legitimate number nines in the world at the minute. We've got a few, obviously, Halland springs to mind,

and you've got Ossie Mayne who was good at Napoli a few years back, you've got Lewandowski who's aging a little bit, you've got Iczak at Newcastle. So there's five or six I think legitimately kind of world class number nines and then you've got a whole bunch of other guys that are sort of figuring themselves out and where they fit. Joachim Gares might be an example of that at Sporting who has scored a lot of goals in the last few years but he's in Portugal and he needs to take the step and is the step going to be to that kind of bigger league and can he deliver there?

And I think that's the position that Jonathan Davids in, he needs to take the step and what level is that step? Is it Serie A, a lot of talk around Juventus and Napoli or is it Premier League and if he goes and scores, goes in, then I think he's legitimately in that conversation in the top 10. But at the minute I've got him in sort of top 25 and Kevin grills me on this in part of the bus because he thinks he's a little bit higher but I just still think that in a lot of ways the jury's out on Jonathan David. He's a top class striker but is he top 10 in the world? I think he's got to prove it at that next level. He's got to prove it at a higher club level,

and we'll have to see if he can take his game up a notch or two. So it's a dual debate. What he is is vitally important to Canada, and what he is is the biggest, most important player heading into next summer's World Cup, and certainly the leader in this gold cup is the captain and is the most high-profile player there. So he does most of these talking on the pitch. He's a great guy. He's a quiet guy who works extremely hard and loves his country. So he'll go out

there again and he'll do his best. And he seems to keep away from the noise that guys like us create and this kind of question. But I still think as he moves to this new club in the summer, wherever that may be, he's got to really hit the ground running and prove that he can go up that notch or two and get amongst the Hallans and the Zaks and the Lewandowskis of the world. So a lot of the discussion leading up to the gold cup was who's available for Jesse Marsh,

but also who's not available. We know Alfonso Davies isn't. There's other prominent players that weren't available for the tournament but this is a big big opportunity for guys to kind of put themselves you know in front of Marsh and possibly play themselves into a position where they're on the World Cup team and I know on Park the Bus and on other you know things you're doing with TSN between now and the World Cup next year there's gonna be a lot of that

discussion like we we've got a pretty idea, I would think 70, 80% of the roster, but you know, how much is still up for debate in your opinion? And are there any players that you can think of over the past couple of games, leading into the match tonight, leading into the rest of this Gold Cup, that you think are possibly playing themselves into the mix as we get closer to the World Cup? Yeah, I think as we try and kind of build the profile in this team and highlight, you know, the sort of,

let's call it 30, 32 guys that can legitimately sneak into this 26-man roster, we look at where is that depth and sort of what needs to happen in terms of a Jaden Nelson or an Ali Ahmed, a Zorhan Bassong as an example, guys that were probably on the outside, especially Nelson and Bassong in the last six months and they've came to the fore, they've done well in the national team jersey, they're doing well at club level and we're starting to think, okay, they could make it and they could play legitimate

minutes and it's trying to find that consistency at the higher level that's hard for these guys. You know, you sort of have one good game and then there's a couple where you're maybe a little unsure. But I think that's what a springboard like a home world cup does for a player. It allows them to dream, it allows them to, you know, find new levels of dedication, professionalism, whatever you want to call it, and take their game to a new level. So I think there's real opportunity there for four or five guys. Two guys that I'll say have stepped up in recent games between the early June friendlies and the Canadian Shield and then the early Go Cup games are Nico Seguerre, who's been outstanding, Hajik Splitman has been outstanding at right full back and is

becoming a player that I think Jesse Marrs wants to try and find a place in the 11. Now I don't know if he's going to be able to do that because you know you've got a lot of players vying for a position but he's someone that with Alistair Johnson being your sort of first choice right back you're saying can Niko Sigurd kick him off that place or can he find a place somewhere else in the team and can you adjust? So he's one that's pushing really hard and Saliba is pushing really hard as well, who reporting from Matthew Shinetti just recently is just saying for Anderlecht, we know it's

coming, he's going to go play in Europe and play in Belgian football and he's been outstanding for Canada. He's a guy that for me could push alongside the staccio, maybe replace Kone in that 11 as well. So two guys vying for the 11, definitely in the roster. And then three or four guys that are fighting to make the 26 man roster. And the hottest battle probably to finish it off

is in that striker position. David's in it, David's playing. And who's going to partner him? Is it Lahren? Is it Oliver Shea? Is it Jearran? Is it Oliver Shea? Is it Jebison? Or is it Promise David, who's probably in the hottest form and might just be the one that's going to get

the biggest chance to show that he can knock Larran off that position and make it into starting 11. So there's loads of battles going on. We're going to find it more in the next two or three weeks. And then the upcoming, you know, friendly games, September, October, November, but I don't think we're going to know for sure. We're going to debate this. It's going to be debated coast to coast all over the country all the way until Jesse announces his squad just before the World Cup next June. Steve, you just mentioned Shinetti and before we get you out of here, he looks like a pretty

clean-cut dude. Can he hammer beers with you guys or does he kind of shy away from that? Yeah, and then he keeps away from us. It's too much for him to try and hang with us. We'll try it for a few hours and then he realizes that it's too much. We got sent to Vienna before Qatar and Shinetti felt like he needed a new liver when we got back. So that was unfortunate. And I just advised them, don't try and keep up Matthew. Just, just come for a couple and

get yourself back for your beauty sleep. Good looking guy needs his beauty sleep. So, you know, everyone, everyone's got a sense. You know what I mean? Oh dog. Oh, I know exactly what you, somebody wants to hang with the big boys and they get a rude awakening Stevie, a rude one all right stevie enjoy yourself down there take it easy on our board man it'll be a fun one tonight enjoy the match see you guys see you know but all right there he is steven caldwell i love how i could see stevie caldwell and kilbade like carrying shinetti and throwing him in a garbage bin and saying stop don't ever try yeah what do you who do you think you are?

Who do you think you're dealing with? He tries hanging for a few hours like those guys are putting in a 12-hour ship. Oh, yeah Scotsman and an Irishman with Shinetti Yeah, zero chance. Steve, he told me that him and that Kill Bait man, if they want to hunker down and start talking football and just old school stories, I think they could sell it as like a like a Maxim fantasy pack offer where guys would bid to have beers with them. Oh, that would be incredible, man. Big time. To sit there and watch a big match

with Stephen Caldwell and Kevin Kilbin. I think guys would pay five grand. Like if you got some guy with cash from Europe or whatever, it would be like, you get a back room at one of the pubs near the stadium, and it's like, we're gonna just hammer beers and talk football. You wanna do it? Huge market for that.

Especially over here where there are, there's so many like die-hard you know football fans and these guys were like European nationals yes you know like well I I was walking various players I was walking with Duffy the other day and he was saying Jamie like you have no idea how popular those guys are like in the world not just you know like he's like you know he walked down the street with a hockey guy or whatever he's like in Canada they kind of hey he goes those two everywhere he goes in the world they get recognized yeah by soccer he said in Qatar there was an Irish pub and it was so rammed and they couldn't get in and Duthie just said I guess we got to get out of here.

And the owner of the pub came out and said, are you Kevin Kilbane? Yeah. And he said, yes. And he said everybody get in and cleared out right in front of the main bar and said, you guys are standing right here. Like the guy's a legend. Yeah. It was like Henry Hill and Goodfellas. Yeah. Like that opening scene, like through the kitchen, the table in the front. Yeah. Yes. Like Kilbance here and itfellas. Like that opening scene, like through the kitchen, in the front. Bring the table right in the front, yeah. Like Kill Bane's here and it is go time. Duffy was beside himself in the middle of Qatar and during the World Cup, a rammed Irish

pub and the guy came out and said, are you Kill Bane? Get in here. Yeah. I love it. Yeah, serious business, man. Well, like again, the Park the Bus podcast that they're doing is awesome. It's the two of them just sitting there talking about different stories and different, you know, obviously important topics that revolve around Canada and, you know, soccer in general. So urge you to check that out. Every episode up on TSN's YouTube channel.

I think you can find the podcast. You can find it, I'm sure, on.ca. And it's going to be a big one tonight. Cool cup continuing down in Houston. Best Bet's coming up. And the Jays are in Cleveland. We'll tee that up as well. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN 2.

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truck is skunk sin of boardroom and they're like hey you want to take these five guys and then they're like you take those seven guys and it's like it almost doesn't make sense some of them are so big. I know like there was a big deal today between New Orleans and Washington and now it's Port Zingas is on his way it's a massive three-way deal between Boston Brooklyn and Atlanta they're all in East. Brooklyn and Boston are the same division. Where is Port Zingas going? Is he on his way to Atlanta?

Yes, he's on his way to Atlanta. Boston is breaking it up, and this is what everyone said was coming because there's just so much money on the books, and you've got Tatum, who's likely done for the year anyway. It kind of feels like the Celtics are just going to punt on the season. They probably should. Yeah, I guess you're right. Like at that point, like if Tatum's not available to you, you're probably not gonna win anything anyway. Right. But yeah, and Shams Charani is saying NBA teams are showing significant interest in Jalen Brown. Like now the

question is like did the Celtics win a championship? And now they're just tearing. And now they're just gonna tear everything down? And the Raptors grab anybody? Where where we at No, I mean in their name. Well, their name gets used a lot. Yeah, and Yet, you know miss eyes got that history of being a guy that Really kind of takes his time and his patience to maybe over values his own pieces, right? He doesn't want to move off those guys. I don't know but you're right man It feels like all you got to do is pick up the phone. Yeah, and a GM. I don't know. But you're right, man.

It feels like all you gotta do is pick up the phone. Yeah. And a GM's like, yeah, let's make a deal, man. I get in there in an hour. Exactly. What do you got planned? Six for six, let's do it. Yeah, let's make a massive blockbuster trade.

Yeah. And we know it's not gonna be the only deals. Like there's gonna be more and more trades coming out. Yeah. And it's interesting with the Leafs and with the Raptors and like the city of Toronto chasing these big names and it was Otani and it was Soto and then it was Durant there for a couple of weeks

and maybe Yannis for a few days. Yeah. Like I'm curious what the next one's gonna be because there's always someone. Sam Bennett. Could be Sam Bennett, Brad Marshawn. Yeah. Kind of feels like Marshawn's the one that's more likely to have people kind of, someone and then it could be sam bennett radmar sean and i feel like my son's the one that's more likely to have people cut but that it's not leaving florida i think most people conceded that maybe you

will but it just doesn't seem likely john wants to cash in more than anybody else yes so doesn't that feel more likely that the leaves are connected to him and we can start buying in like it's gonna happen he's coming up here and then he signs in San Jose. No, but when he signs four years at 8 million you'll find a reason I mean listen he is a culture changer. Oh yeah. Right? He is a different, you know a different now at 37 38 or whatever like he is the hell of a play gamble at 37 to give him big money a big term almost be like a leafy thing where it's like

You want a culture changer to be a guy that you drafted as opposed to paying someone at 37, right? Yeah, or a culture changer Trading for a guy that's 26 not like you know what I mean. Yes. I know what you mean It's a map you could try, it's Doug Gilmore, it's, you know, like that's. It was like back in the day where they're goaltending and FNUF and Kessel, it was like all their key parts were from other teams.

Yeah. Bernier, everybody, it was like nothing was homegrown. It was like we tried to buy it, it's just really tough, man. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, and you don't wanna get too carried away with the like DNA change. Yeah, exactly. and then you start like massive money going the other way yeah exactly all right okay good stuff today good photo shoot for the boys again very good stuff everyone looks great everyone feels great send out a

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