OverDrive - OverDrive - June 26, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss JJ Peterka's trade to the Mammoth from the Sabres, Buffalo in a tough spot as a franchise, the Raptors selecting Collin Murray-Boyles and his reaction to the draft pick and the value of contracts increasing in the NHL. TSN Host James Duthie joins to discuss on the NHL CBA changes, the expansion to 84 games in the league and the Navigator Cup against O-Dog on the golf course.

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TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker and up on TSN 4, Brian Haseo, Doug Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennan. What's going on? How are we doing this afternoon? And there's some confusing stuff around the NHL draft. I don't know how, like I know it's a very complex thing running a draft, but like Dreggs was sending out some tweets today that I legit did not even understand he's like this team's got

524 31 they're willing to move to a top nine and I'm this team's got 1420 and I'm like what the hell is going on here I don't get it it's really confusing and then Billy Garan came out and he goes, every team wants to get better. Yeah. You're right, Bill. Good man. Well, no. How many bluffers though?

How many bluffers are there that have a junk? That's the question. Now, remember I've been saying this. Tell me a team that is rebuilding. Tell me a team that... And so I can, I think you can choose a couple Pittsburgh probably is gonna blow things up Buffalo I think again might be a team that wants to get younger like I don't know

19 years old I think he's 23 No, but they trade for 23 year olds they they like it's a lateral move I guess so I I think Oh, I hate your mad at buff still or you just confused. They're completely irrelevant to me Honestly, like I hate I can't be more blunt than that. They're the they 14 years without making the playoffs I don't think they're even close. I don't like Kesselring I don't know enough about the kid big right-handed shot plays with an edge Yeah, I understand why you do that because you have Dahlene and you got power clearly, you know There's there's and I understand that the Paterka stuff. It sounds his name just it just became obvious They were gonna trade him, you know something happened there something was seen someone had an impression of that player in Buffalo

Where it was a foregone conclusion. He was gonna go but player in Buffalo where it was a foregone conclusion he was going to go. But this is like I feel for people in Buffalo. When I say that I'm talking about the Sabres. I'm talking Pugula, I guess Kevin Adams. Fan base. I feel for the fans man because they're great great hockey fans and they've been around forever and I remember being in that spot with the Leafs. Like when the Leafs were six, seven, eight years into that decade of death and doom, it was awful.

It was a horrible existence as a fan and they're just, I don't know, spinning their wheels. That's kind of how I read it. Like Peturka's a really good player and Kesselring and Doan could be good players but what is Buffalo going to be? What is the deal with Paterka noodles? Did he go to the team and say I don't want to play here anymore? Why would a team move off of him? Trying to sniff around on him like people out of Buffalo I talked to trying to sniff around as to was he going to be a long term guy?

This is what I was told yesterday. He's not a driver. What does that even mean? That long term guy. Like a guy who's going to sign an eight yearyear deal there on an extension after an RFA. Like that type of stuff. I don't know. But like, in digging in in a skill set, they're like, yeah, he's a finisher but not a driver.

I'm like, okay, but that's fine. Not everybody's a one. You can be a two. You can be a three type of thing. I like him. Like the games, I remember him as a very skilled guy Utah's trying to get better I don't know what Buffalo's doing a lot of lateral moves, but that's you know the one thing That's the team I circle and go okay

Do is Tate Thompson available is Alex tuck available like that's what I would be looking at if I'm teams that are Looking to get over the hump adding really good play like page thompson hell the players say with that out stuck yeah those are good being really good players and the history of the sabers would suggest that they could be available but they didn't the other the other thing i'll add brian to is these guys are now late twenties so if you're going younger

like then then does that fit did they fit the mold this Thompson and Tuck fit the mold the solution water look at it do the amazing thing about Buffalo and again This is why I preface this by saying I feel awful for their fans I'm being genuine in that I'm not this isn't me. You know, of course, it's awful for the fans. It's 14 years No, plus my point they tanked for McDavid, dude He's about to sign his third Contract tense. All right, he's been in the Let like 12 years ago

They bottomed out and now we may be in a position where they what are they're gonna bottom out again? And and if if so, how could you ever trust that anyone within that organization would pull the right moves on. It's a crazy the crazier thing is some guy some guy posted a pic it was like a Hollywood Squares it was just of nine players or something it was just O'Reilly it was Eichel, Jake McCabe, Reinhardt it was and I looked and I was like yeah, like if you put that on the ice, there's no way in hell it's a bad team No, no way in hell and that's exactly it man. There was a team. You're right. I saw that earlier today 2021 they had Eichel Reinhardt cousins Thompson, Peturka, Middlestadt Taylor Hall was up there. They had had a postal still on the team dalian

montour jake mccabe all mark was in that and all mark was in that's exactly they they've had all these players and they've they've just unloaded them and couldn't find a way to make a work and listen some of its uh... on the players of course right but i look at

buffalo and i i just i feel like there's just no plan and it's just gonna consistently be a team that is in the league, you know They're part of the National League and there'll be 34 teams soon and they'll be a part of that there Everyone's gonna play 84 games soon and Buffalo will play their 84 and then they're gonna go home That's a thing. I mean, there's so much to unpack here. Buffalo's a seat filler at the Tony's. You know, at an award show. Their Kramer? Yes, their Kramer at the Tony's.

I just, there's a lot to unpack there because is it the organization? Does it start at the top? Is there meddling? Yes, the football team's very well run. But I don't know. Again, I'm not privy to the information. I did like one thing they've done.

They hired Yarmou Kekalyanen. He's a really good scout. He's a really smart hockey guy as an advisor to Kevin Adams. It's clear, like Kevin Adams, I think that management team needs help. I think you always need to have more smart voices in the room. Now, Kekalyanen's been on the job for two weeks As far as it being an advisor like he might say this you got to blow this thing up again

And let's start another five-year plan who knows like what like I hear you're saying about kekalainen What happened in Columbus that makes you think that's the next? Well a great architect of the sport you could argue that he's been through that all. It's unfortunate, but you look at a lot of the talent that rolled through Columbus as well. Columbus isn't the destination, the sexy destination, a lot like Buffalo, right? But the one thing is you need to identify talent. And a lot like Winnipeg, you draft and develop guys so that you have cost control on them.

And then when they move on, they move on. That's the thing. You have to build a winning program. We talked about it yesterday. Winning programs, it doesn't matter where you are. You can be on the moon. People want a piece of it because you want it. I just think, Jamie, there are so many teams that probably think that there are a few transactions

away or a few young players getting some seasoning away from looking like the Florida Panthers. And I truly believe that they're absolutely joking themselves. Like I truly believe. It's so easy. What I found doing this job for as long as I've been doing it is that there are a bunch of people that have no idea what the hell they're doing. And they fall in love with their own ideas and then eight years goes by and you don't

make the playoffs or you're not even close. And it's like, how did you trick an owner to think that this was some master plan? You do have to get fortunate. You do have to find a bark off and you find a Billy Zito that really kind of catches lightning in the Kachuk trade and not everybody can win. But I think there are so many organizations that are living in a fantasy world right now to think that their team is remotely close. It's funny, where did Zito come from?

Columbus. He was number two in the Kachalina. How come nobody in Columbus recognized what they had there? I don't know. I think they I think you do. Again, it comes back to sometimes the market being it's not as sexy. People leave, you know, like maybe it's all luck, Jamie. Maybe it's just luck.

Like you just fall. Everything falls into place and and all of a sudden you look like geniuses. And if it doesn't fall into place, you got people like me ranting and raving. Well I feel bad in essence. Let me ask you this, how long has Kevin Adams been on the job? I don't know. I think it's three years now, yeah something like that. I feel like it's longer. Possibly. Who was it? Botterell before him? I think Botterell is in Seattle now. And then what was the other guy? The guy who was our buddy Tim. Well, Tim Murray was the original guy. Tim Murray. Remember that guy?

He was so angry he got Eichel, which was not a great start to the relationship. But you remember that? We saw him outside the draft having a dart or something. Somebody said they saw him leaving the lottery and he just ripped a dart out of his mouth and chucked it and he was so... Like kicking garbage cans around like just curious he didn't get it. So here it is, Joe from the Bridge just put it in.

And then he was like, welcome Jack Ikel. Jack would love you. You're going to be a cornerstone. We're coming for you Buffalo. Did he give the reaction of that Raptor player last night? Yes, Colin Murray Boyles. Although I wanna defend him a bit. I wanna defend him a bit.

I don't know how you guys viewed it. He might've just been like, hey, I got drafted. Like, hey, the moment was overwhelming. I wanna give him the benefit of that. What did he say that was so bad? WTF? Yeah, he was shaking his head. Just an F-bomb, but I agree with you, Noodle. I

was embarrassed last night as a Torontonian. Born and raised here. Lived here my whole life. And I'm well aware of the insecurity issues that we have up here, in particular in the NBA and Major League Baseball. Let me interrupt you, Hayes. Was it that little word that he blurted out? he said he shook his head and said said the F word. Yeah, but he could have been overwhelmed with the moment is like I'm I just got drafted like oh my god like that's how I again I may be trying to sugarcoat it but I almost felt like I almost felt like it's like it's happened I just got drafted like you know F.

I think I got. Listen, I think you can interpret it think I got I was so you can interpret it either way but I agree with you noodles I agree and listen there were quotes that came out before the draft of him talking about how great of a fit he'd be here you know the players that are here the history that they've had you know there's pictures now circulating of him as a kid in a Raptors t-shirt listen it's a's a shock. And the Raptors afterwards admitted that a lot of teams call the players beforehand or call the agents to tip them off. The Raptors

don't do that. So it did appear to be a complete shock. Now he knew he was going somewhere in that range. Is it possible? He thought, Hey, maybe I'm going to go 10th, you know, to Houston or in that case, like I'll go to Phoenix or something like that. I don't know. Like he's a Southern guy. He's got a girlfriend obviously that was there with them It's a life kind of altering thing, but I just I was Not surprised because I've seen it before but like so many people launching into oh he hates Canada trade him trade him because he shook his head and said a word because his world was just turned upside down.

And it just like people launching into, you can't have him, he doesn't want to be here, this is Alonzo Morning 2.0, you know, he hates the weather, he hates taxes. It's like, can everyone just relax a little bit? Just relax. Initially, I got that impression. But then after watching it, I'm like, you know what, like this is a moment he's probably been dreaming about his whole life. He made a look that somebody loved him and was like, F, like this just happened man.

This is, you know, so I don't know. I'm not in a fit. I don't want to be pessimistic. I didn't take it as that. I think he had aspirations of going somewhere else and he was like, it's fair. It's fair. But I just, I don't know, I want to give the kid a break and go, this is a big moment.

And sometimes you, you know, sometimes you get bad news and you laugh out loud. Like you, people don't react the way it's supposed to be scripted, you know, that type of stuff. I don't know, I watched it 20 times last night going, like he's like, man, man, like, yeah. I haven't know. I watched it 20 times last night going like he's like man man like yeah Sorry, I'm a professional at reading that situation body language professional Oh, yeah, that was that look like a guy that missed a five-foot putt to shoot

67 and he was like I'm sorry. That's what that was right that wasn't I'm so happy. don't know why your your kramer their lip reader here that you want to sleep together it's we've been in the exact that's it that's that's your your brother or is all you bring him here you should he going up to parties and party favors and reading lips across the room reading body line but listen i i get again it's it's the insecurities of the market like if you got out of other next to do that, no one in New York would be saying this.

If you got drafted by the Lakers or the Clippers or the Bulls or the Heat and you had the exact same reaction, it wouldn't have gone anywhere. It's because it's Toronto and I understand where they are. Toronto in the pecking order, even though it's a massive market in reality based on the population, the amount of money here all that kind of stuff it's perceived as a small market team in the NBA you know it's not it's not clearly the Celtics or the Lakers or the Knicks or whatever like we get that but I just whatever his reaction was fine guess what you just

said it he missed the putt to shoot sixty seven guess what he should still shot sixty eight you know you still you go to the nba you get a beer after and the rafters are an up-and-coming team and scotty barnes is from florida is a southern guy you know like you're gonna come up here and connect with people and i don't know i'm curious to see what he's got is the clearly you know the reports are that he's a bulldog on the court.

He fights for everything. He's really high basketball IQ, really good defender. Doesn't shoot that well, which could be a concern long term. Did you see that video going around? That's the one that I think needed more attention. He was shooting shots from the corner. That was you at the Y. A Chuck E. Cheese, man.

Yes, that was me at the white Chuck E cheese man yes that was me at the wire balls oh there it was wasn't good oh there's a big I think it was on BR BR open sports or whatever it was on bar stool like it was making the rounds going the Raptors stole one here or something and this guy was like he hit like three out of 20 it was a smooth stroke. I think if it was to use golf, he'd be going to the claw, putting a grip at some point soon. But still, he's an interior guy. He's a guy that's, again, very, very soft hands around the rim.

Again, a dogged defender. And I think he's going to be fine in Toronto. And it just blew up into a big story last night. Yeah, it was funny. So, getting back to it, Kevin Adams has been on the job five years. and i think he's gonna be fine in toronto and it just blew up into a big story last night well i but getting back to it kevin adams been on the job five years five years so so i honestly thought two or three

yes i also do but what i was going to say is what is the crown achieve like after five years you pretty much like what's the plan there's a direction whatever like that would be a question that I would ask is like how much progress has been made in five years? Well, it depends what the promises were made, Jamie. If you go in there and talk to an older and say, I'll have this team competing for a championship

in five years, which is kind of what most people do because there's only so much time in sports. And not everyone's like the Houston Rockets guy who said said I need till 2035 to get this thing turned around so it depends what the mandate was where it's like did he go in there and say look it's difficult to keep guys difficult guys you know difficult to for guys to want to sign here but who knows what the hell the mandate was it's been a wild ride though there man like Yeah, honestly let me let me ask you guys this question Give me the one thing that sticks out from five years in Buffalo like the last five years give me a moment give me

I'll give you my scribe it. Let's say someone just flew in from Mars and said hey I'm from Buffalo, and I haven followed the savers in the last five years i'll give you mine go ahead i think it was a very very miscalculated move the handling of jack eichel in the next situation i don't know how it went down i don't know what he wanted to do but it was a it was a disagreement on how it was going to be handled and the guy left and went to vegas where they could have maybe and i don't know the intimate details of it, but maybe it was just like fix your neck however you want and we got to try to win here so let's get you better

as opposed to you're not doing that surgery, you were not familiar. I don't know the details of it, but if you look at that as a start and then you can go right to goaltending, but Jack Eich that's for Peyton Krebs and talk good players But come on. Yeah, you know what? Oh, it's a great 1215 player in the league It's a great point because we always talk about the TSN turning point. That's probably it right like, you know, regardless We joke about Tim. Well, there's several there Jamie, but that's a key one That's a key one that you can put your thumb on and go there. There could be organizational direction changing because Ikel doesn't want to be there and

You disagreed now. Listen, he had a very controversial. I think it was called a neck fusion whatever it was, right? He was second and third opinions with doctors. Vegas took a, like give Vegas credit. They took a flyer on him. This guy could have had this surgery and it would have gone south and they gave up some players to get him. Like they took a flyer on him, they took it took his time to heal and he ended up winning a cup for them and being a fantastic player. The player that we expected him to be. But you you're right it is organizational

changing where the disagreement and you didn't want to be there when top players don't want to be there it trickles down through your organization so how does that apply to you know Marner leaving Tavares you know true living spoke today and different scenarios I said Marner's basically gone he didn't say it in those words but like with Tavares he just just said, you know, I'm going to stay optimistic that something happens. He sounded pretty similar on all the issues. Ah, we'll see what happens. But like, ah, it's going a long way. There wasn't a lot of substance. It was lew-like. It was lew-like.

It did have that kind of feel. The only thing I would say is, in seeing a lot of these moves now I am of the belief is we can't judge these teams until like October 1st and it might even be further because teams might be patient, sit on cap money, wait till other teams open up to for business type of thing. I think you're going to see some methodical play here. I don't think, I worry about July 1st. I don't think all hell's gonna break loose from like money free agent standpoint. I think we're gonna see more trades and trade action.

No you're not Jamie, no you're not. Because we've been promised lots of trades and crazy July 1st. I think every year I've been here. I'm the idiot. By three o'clock we're all looking at each other and it's like Duthie you got any funny jokes? Like there's no trades gonna happen. They never do. We've never had that day that

we've been promised. They owe us. Well right now we are, there's trades every day. They're just not the biggest trades in the world but we have seen and I think through the weekend we're gonna see see a lot more activity people trying to free up cap space trying to move players around and this comes back to my original comment how many teams believe that they want to improve and get better this year as opposed to go the other way and and selling the farm well I do I do think there's a game of chicken going on right now. Right. Because you know Betman and Daley and the league I wouldn't say jammed up the GM's but made things complicated when they announced the cap going up three years into the future. Something I don't recall them

ever doing. So I think what is clearly taking place is, I'm sure the agents are all saying, well, I kind of want to negotiate off the cap I know is coming in three years. Yeah. Well, I think Don Waddell said today, he's like, just because they like, we had to explain to some people just because this $3 million player and they're hearing this cap going out doesn't all of a sudden mean they're worth four now but exactly and that's what dull stance and I think the GM stance but the player stances actually I am worth four now so that that's what's complicated gonna possibly complicate things is cuz

someone's got to win like someone one side or the other's got a win so either you get four or you don't have a contract so you pick it's a game of chicken in the league you know are the GMs all gonna look At each other and say man keep your cool here. Don't get stupid You know don't start offering some fourth-line player four million a year or else we're all gonna get jammed but do you think that with that will this lead to maybe a Guy like Marner taking a short-term deal, you know and saying the cap going up a lot more like we possibly

like like Marner's in is a different category he's gonna get paid you know what I mean like if someone's just gonna want them and say fine what is it 13 fine you know like whatever it is but I think it's the the middle guys you know that are good players that it's like well I want to be paid if I'm gonna sign a five-year deal I want it based on like that third year I know it's like well, I want to be paid if I'm gonna sign a five-year deal. I want it based on like that third year I know it's going up another 16 million or whatever. That's probably complicating things well, and actually the teams are all trying to get an edge as they should and Yeah, that's what's happening right now It's a great point, but the only thing that I feel like is and we should all understand this as fans

The top players are the ones who have to worry about the cap going up because they make the most money. What it is, is we call it, you know, replacement level player, players that, you know, will reset. Sometimes a guy prices himself out of the league and then you're not available. Now you've got to reset. Jamie Bannett, one million at 35 years old, going to have some bonuses, that type of stuff. You reset because you made a bunch of money or you priced yourself

out. The top players are always going to get paid. But you're right, if there's a guy who's a $3 million player who thinks he's five because the cap is going to be up $16 million three years from now, that's going to throw the whole system out of whack. The managers have to be a lot smarter than that though and go I'm sorry you're a player that's a third-line guy three years from now I'll get a guy and pay him three million dollars to play your position. And I think that's why the Tavarro scenario is complicated. Like, Nyes is different because you know he's a young player you think he's gonna keep growing yet he's an RFA so he doesn't have a lot of leverage or power. And again, he's had a very good couple of years, not superstar, not all-star, and he's

got to play with two great players. So it is complicated, but not as much as Tavares where I would presume John's coming to them in his rep saying, well, I'm a second line center who scored thirty eight and it sounds like tree living could be saying well actually see you as a third line center who will not be doing that future if you want second line money and we

want to pay you third line money how does this work how is this going to how's this gonna work and well someone's gonna have to blink between now and next Tuesday. Third line money, Hayes, but you'll still be on that top power play unit. You won't miss a beat. Trust me on that one. He probably should though.

Yeah, you're right. I agree. That part is not even... He probably should be on there. Then as a player, you're like, why the hell would I ever agree to third line money if I'm a first unit power play guy that might rip home 30? But it comes back to what Brian's and I were debating yesterday Does he want to stay here in Toronto? Because if he does that he's got to find a common balance because I've got a few teams like

I know we got to go but what would Montreal pay for him? To be a second line center there? You're stupid if he probably knows what they would. But my point is, is if like it depends on does he want to stay where he knows he's got a good team and good situation? Or does he want to take a chance on a team that is up and coming and to be a mentor and to get valuable minutes minutes and that is a playoff team we believe in trying to get better you know and they will pay him a lot more probably yeah I would say I would think they give him six maybe six million seven

million like that is possible you know they're not gonna pay him Suzuki money or anything but you're right in and listen I could tell you from just speaking with people Montreal this doesn't mean the team is looking at him, but the market is talking about Tavares. That's all I'm saying. I'm not speaking for Montreal. Yes, they are. They are talking about like, well, what if Tavares hits July 1? So it's out there in Montreal.

Like the idea that that might be a move that I think the fan base would like. Alright, James.T coming up. Maybe he's got a joke for us today. i think the fan base would like uh... by james dot the coming up babies got it the joke force today i will see if he's got us is a stop ready for us today uh... chris pronger coming up we got eric haas more some fireworks in the blue jay game today jays one big today lost an extra innings last night

but blotty left the game was hit last night got hit again today that left the game off yeah that any of you is rattled as he was in the gosman i love this old-school stuff he step right in so give me ramirez give me your best player and he absolutely destroyed him with a ninety five mile an hour fastball and ramirez knows common and everyone in the building knew it was coming and that's kind of old school unwritten code is one of the weird things about that occupation you're going up to do your job and you're like, this guy's going to throw 100 mile an hour baseball

at my head probably. Yes. And Ramirez probably looked at his guy and said, the second Vladimir got hit again today. And then he left the game. Ramirez is like, I know what's coming. The ninth hitter's not getting hit. I'm going to take one.

And like, Gozman just, and he just, look at him. He can barely breathe and the benches kind of were warned and it looked like it was gonna get carried away and anyway Jays with a win today so they get a split now they got Boston this weekend they got the Yankees next week so we need an update on Vladdy again he went for x-rays that came back negative but we'll see what comes of that D Duthie coming up, Prongs coming up, Overdrive continues, TSN 1050 and on TSN 4. Unmistakably Canadian. It's the music that raised you.

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with Jack Bills camp right around the corner. Get his take on the draft last night with the Raptors did with the ninth pick. What else they could do leading up to free agency. So it'll be good to catch up with him. And speaking of free agency free agent frenzy taking place on Tuesday beginning at 11 a.m a m through all of the t s and platforms in the man that will be running the program running the show joins us now here's james don't know you're jd i'm good boy excellent well are you excited for tomorrow's while you and brennan gallagher taken on the old

dog and awesome cadre the navigator cup. How are we feeling about things? Very excited. Um, I mean, this is, I think my last appearance on the overdrive program this year. And I think what happens tomorrow with Coptown woods will may decide if it's my last appearance

ever, if I'll be banned from the program by one of your co-hosts because he, he doesn't like what happens out there. So what is the format?aga one of the format like that let's just play golf like grown man straight man's as i a year to your year talking about you can hear from the black and i on every whole i p off from a hundred yard and yards away

well there's what is the handicapping process i mean come on your your ulysses you can see that you like which is really really truly athletes out there and and also and so i think it'll be uh... handicapped appropriately no i think uh... it's just i think it's just scramble old two men scramble

i don't know i don't think there's a lot of shots involved maybe will maybe couple shots or something but i mean the host the Jim Nance of the day is is Brian Hayes So he probably knows more about it than I do. Yeah, no, I'm excited myself and Bob Are you gonna say hello friends when you welcome? I don't know if I don't think so I don't know what I'm gonna do. Well JD there's been a guy on the show who's playing tomorrow Who's already set in the table that he's got the bad? What is it the bad back the bad, what is it, the bad back? The bad... Si joint.

I can't... Mike Hyro said don't even think about hitting golf balls. I said to Hayes, Hayes might be hitting shots. Like... Tiger, O'Neil. I would make fun of you, but I... When we used to do these, you know, the one Owen and I did against Dubas and Jerry D that was famous, we carried on for a couple of years afterwards. I don't think oh would play with me again

so I had different partners, but I Had that going on and it was like in it was embarrassing The ball I had the massage gun in my had the massage gun in the roller in my cart and every hole I would was riding around on the thing and it was I felt like I was 90 years old So I feel for you buddy take take lots of that hole I was writhing around on the thing and it was I felt like I was 90 years old. So I feel for you buddy, take lots of that. Well I'm not trying to put a doubt the rivalry because the rivalry is intense and if I can promote something, I don't think it's out there yet, but somewhere I believe on the weekend a documentary is going up on YouTube and I think we'll show a portion of it on the free agent frenzy which really goes deep into the history of how our friendship

deteriorated into a rivalry and really gets to the roots of what went wrong and I think it'll be a fascinating view for everyone who's you know who's run the tab on Netflix and Crave. I love it well and again this this match that will be played tomorrow will be shown on TSM on Canada Day. You guys have any idea what they have? They're shooting this like a PGA Tour event. Oh yeah, dude. There are dome trucks, Dome is the production company that does our hockey games and our sporting events.

There are dome trucks that cope down woods out there laying cable right now. Yeah, that's right. Like it's a PGA Tour event. Like Marissa Roberto is Dottie Pepper. Yeah. Like Marissa is walking the like... We are definitely not worthy of any of this but it's gonna be fun studio and uh... you know it's the navigator cop the real the real i don't think the documentary gets into this but the real root of the rivalry is that you

know i was mcalpine uh... lincoln spokesman for a long time and then ok man started cutting my grass and that's where my resentment started to grow well we look forward to that again up on TSN's YouTube channel. All this kind of stuff can be found throughout TSN throughout the weekend and Canada Day. So it sounds like there will be a new CBA between the NHL and the NHLPA. I think what sticks out the most if you're a fan is that they're going to 84 games. It's ridiculous.

It is. I'm four games it's ridiculous it is it's i'm sorry it's ridiculous you want more games of watered down like uh... like watered down is a strong word it's right and wait till there's thirty four teams there's no that's what i mean you want eighty four games now they've got the eight wrong the eight should be seven yes i agree well the brun uh... you know put out a tweet last week and he's been on this for a long time

you may have had a mom which i think is probably is most like tweet ever and i could not have agreed with him or on every every aspect of it about how the season if anything should be shorter but the t two games it should start in mid september after three or four exhibition games and the cup should be handed out you know with a number with May in front of it but it's just it's never going to happen and I guarantee you under this new CBA it won't happen in fact the cup will probably go later because and this is you know this is partly our fault as fans we want best on best hockey and they're committed now to going to the Olympics

and having the World Cup every second year. And so that is a two and a half week window or whatever, a three week window they need in the middle of the season, which extends the season. So we, in our, I don't say our lifetime, but I would say certainly in my career time, we'll never see a time when the Cups handed out, the Cups going to be something June 20th

every year now going forward which is a shame to me but it is what it is. Well I want to pop in here like them saying like 84 games, yes it's going to be a short in preseason. Do you think guys play most preseason? Most veterans play two games. Right. They're still going to play two games in the preseason. Now you've got to add two more onto the body. Insane, man. And then you look at teams like Florida Panthers.

They play 82 games. They play 20 whatever in the playoffs. And then you've got guys at the Four Nations face off. This year it's the Olympics. They're going to add games in. And then you're going to expect to play like it's just too much at some point Like it's it's the top players are going to get they're gonna suffer most Why didn't the players say I don't even think about asking us to play two more I don't understand like we're all really happy that

They're gonna be a new CBA because the two most miserable years of my career with the lockout years Yes, it's a rule 405, which was just, you know, we were on there every single day with the insiders talking about nothing but money and caps and percentages, and I wanted to stick a pen in my eye every single day. And the half season one was almost as bad. And so I think, you know, I'll stand up and applaud

the fact that they're gonna get this done and we're not gonna have any sort of turbulence. But I'm with O that I'm surprised that there wasn't pushback, especially from the best guys to say, whoa, this is too much guys. It's too much to add two games, to play best on best that often, even though I know the players want that, to hand out the cup at the end of June. So it's essentially just two months off for the teams that go deep. So that would be my one surprise

is that the top end players in the league didn't push back on that a little bit, but I guess it's all revenue generated than the percentage of the revenue the players get. So that's probably why they didn't. Well, exactly. That's what it comes down to. It's a gate-driven league league and this is more money.

You know, just two more games for every team and an extra. I mean, my wife was asking me the other day about baseball. She said, why is baseball not a sports fan? Why is baseball on every day? And why do they play a hundred and like 162 games? And it is, if you take a step back from it, you do wrap your head around that. That they play basically every day Crazy one day off for six months is nuts now baseball is nowhere near hockey

It's not in the same world as hockey, you know hockey would probably be closer to football It's not football with the impact by any sense of the imagination But hockey is also not basketball where there's yes, there's a lot of grind on there, but there's not the physical contact. So I think an 84 game season for a sport as physical as hockey is a bit out of proportion with everything else. Well, and as you pointed out, Olympics this year, then they're launching into the World Cup every year. So there will be international hockey every two years. Well, let's look at the best players. So, you know, I was going to say McDavid, but let's say Matthew Kachuk. He is, you know, he and he told me last year that he plans for

and obviously, rightfully so, he plans to be finished at the end of June every year. That's what he trains for. That's what he plans for. That's what he schedules everything around. And he's been right three years in a row, essentially. So Matthew Kachuck will play in every best on best tournament and the Florida Panthers look like they're going nowhere. And so, you know, this guy, of course the injury this year took him out for a while, but there's no end in sight to him playing, ah, what are they playing in the playoffs? Four times six, like, six like you know around 24 23 games plus 84 now is 100 what seven or whatever and then and then

add add the two weeks of best on best you know 115 games or something like that every single year obviously you won't go to the final necessarily every year but that's at some point that's that's kind of taking a huge toll on body if it Isn't already don't you think load management is coming then like I would think that they're like you start to look at players And go if a guy's little nicked up It's like now it always before was like you can battle through something you can play through something nowadays It would be like this guy's nicked up, he's gonna shut him down for a week, because you gotta eat.

Yeah, I don't know if that's gonna be addressed in the CBA, probably not. I know it's a problem in the NBA, which they're trying to address, but I think what will be is, yeah, it will be what you say, noodles, is it won't be obvious load management, but the little pulls or something,

the lower body injury, where the guy's out two weeks where he doesn't really have too much is probably going to happen more and more often. Yeah. And again, we're still waiting on all the details and Pierre LeBrun will join us later this afternoon and he'll have more. But it sounds like they're going to go to an 84 game regular season, shorter terms on contracts, right? It will drop by a year or so.

One year, yeah. Yeah, so if you have the player now, you could offer seven, and if he's a free agent, you can get six, right now it's eight and seven. They're maybe attacking the long-term IR in the playoffs, which I do think that has been somewhat overshadowed by the state tax stuff, where it's state tax this, state tax that. Florida and Tampa and

Vegas like they had a lot of money buried that allowed them to go out and acquire pieces at the trade deadline and then the players miraculously returned to game one of the playoffs. I don't know I'll be interested to see if they address that how that is fixed because that is a difficult one to fix and as much as I know we think they manipulated it to an extent I don't think any of these injuries were fake right Matthew Kachak had a hernia and a doctor and Mark Stone was legit hurt and was it was a Kuturov for Tamp I can't

remember now that's all planted to one yeah, that'll be a really interesting one because that's a difficult one to address unless they just say that you can't get relief on those. Right? Right, well that would be it. I mean ultimately, or you have to, you carry the cap into the playoffs. Right.

And in other words, it's like, well this is what you have. So if you added a player player then that guy can't play you know or or two other guys have to go and can't play like you write that's why you know if you if you take a step back you're trying to you know you're trying to have the best players playing in the playoffs the product for the fans and you you wouldn't want a situation where you know you have to sit some six million dollar guy in the house

complicated it is but yeah but yeah maybe that's the more fair way to do it maybe there's a where you have to sit some $6 million guy and play some scrub. Yeah, it's complicated. It is, but yeah. But yeah, maybe that's the more fair way to do it. Maybe there's a buffer, like you can go 10% over the cap or something, but it can't be, because Florida, I believe, by the cup final. 20 million?

Yeah, they had like $93 million worth of players or something, the cap was like 82. They were way over the cap. So, you know, I could see that being addressed. And anyway, we'll see. What do you think of for Tuesday? We're kind of split. Are we expecting action or what? Well, I was saying to the boys this morning that it's a complete, it's a polar opposite show to Trade Center where, you know, Trade Center, Center first of all it starts very slow for the first four hours and kind of builds toward the deadline whereas free agent frenzy is the opposite even

though there's all these supposed rules about teams not talking we know that they do and the insiders are usually breaking who's going where before we even get on the air at 11 a.m eastern so when we come on at 11 even though the signing period is until 12 will probably have a ton of news Right from 11 to you know 1 30 or 2 It'll be just jammed with the stuff happening And then sometimes it lulls down in the afternoon because most guys are you know deciding to sign at 3 o'clock They why don't we just stop my show at 2 and say thanks for tuning in Are you gonna get up and walk out?

You have no idea my exit strategy. Like as soon as it starts getting into crappy trades, I'm out. This time's for real. I'll shake your hand and my ass is walking out. No, you have to stay and there's a reason you have to stay that I can't say on air right now. Yeah, I know what it is too. And you know what it is, and we're sworn to secrecy right now, but, and I'm not trying to give people a lame tease where we're gonna do some skit at 5 o'clock, but everyone who's

watched TSN for a long time needs to watch our show just before 5 o'clock on Canada Day is all I'm going to say right now. And I mean that sincerely, no goofy song and dance routines with the boys. Alright, I love it. Well watch between 11am and 5pm. We're all going to be there, we're all excited. But if need be, come right before five o'clock. Absolutely.

Alright, JD, bring your A game tomorrow. Oh, get healthy. Like I said, I know that our relationship is severed now, if not broken, and it probably will carry forward onto the golf course tomorrow. Is it a nine hole match? Nine hole. I wish you the best.

I want you healthy out there. I don't want anything tarnished by you know Oh going down after three holes. I know that you know Leaf Nation is gonna be cheering for you and cadre They all love oh, they all love cadre, you know, Brendan Gallagher is the the the enemy from Montreal I'm the enemy within so we're underdogs, but we like that and I want you healthy because I want it to be legit All right. Well put I like that sounded very sincere to i hope you reciprocate the now the end of the day most prestigious trophy in sport yes at the end of the day me with a quarter of a back

and i'm not trying to sound like a jerk is better than duffy this is actually true alright well in that case we will see what comes of it tomorrow uh... we'll see that they would have to have a comeback but is not wrong that's the ad it was james dot the uh... yeah i'd believe

bobby weeks of the plan of jimmy and it's analyst i'll kind of i'm going johnny miller man i'm going to be very honest that times harsh Yeah, but also at times very complimentary So I am I'm looking forward to a greatly tomorrow. We're gonna be out there at copetown woods We look forward to that are you allowed to make a noise like you know like not a noise But like if somebody does one do you go?

Oh, yeah, you know I attend on one you go oh yeah you know I intend on apps all the bells and whistles you go right to town if you see somebody like skank one yeah I fully intend on that so that'll be the plan for tomorrow Chris Ponger coming up overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on the TSN app unmistakably Canadian it's the music that raised you. The artists raising the bar. Hi, this is Brian Adams. Hey, my name is Brett Emmons.

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All right, Chris Banger, Jack Armstrong coming up Jays with a win today They get the Red Sox this weekend and the Yankees rolled through town That's gonna be a good one man Canada Day. The Yankees are in town. That's a ticket That'll be a ticket. And free agent frenzy going on that day. It's going to be great. The Navigator Cop will be played on TSN that night. It's going to be a lot of fun. So yeah, Prongs would join us. Another thing coming out of this, and I want to get into this in the next hour, is I guess the NHL and the PA are negotiating no dress code. Like that's a part of the negotiation. I would say 90% of players would still wear a suit to a game.

But like I wasn't aware of it being mandatory. Like that's been in the CBA. You have to wear a suit. What am I missing? I think it was always like, this is how you dress to go to an NHL game. It's like non-negotiable. I'm not questioning it. It's like you go to an NHL game. I's like non-negotiable. I'm not questioning it. It's like you go to an NHL game. I don't, I got to be honest. I've told you guys this in the past. I don't even like the running shoes. I always liked like I'm putting on nice expensive dress shoes and this is a job and I felt good about that. I'm not just a massive fan about runners, even if they're Gucci's with a suit. It's's just not for me but I don't know who knows what that's gonna be interesting

last prongs it'll be yeah I think some people will take advantage of it some people will continue to just wear a suit because they feel like they're conditioned to do that or they want to you're wearing a suit with a tank top underneath it is it really a suit well do you know who's probably gonna lead the charge on style? William Neander. And Austen Matthews. Like the two of them, who knows what they're going to be wearing showing up to the rings.

Dude, a stylish thing nowadays, as much as old school people don't want to believe it, is like a baggy tracksuit, man. Like that's style. Like that's what young people wear to bars. Like a stylish baggy tracksuit like a roots like a Talking like just a baggy tracksuit is what celebs wear. It's like a Beanie and a baggy tracksuit. That's what like cool people wear All right. I'll see what pronger has to say about that Jack Armstrong coming up as well

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