OverDrive - OverDrive - June 26, 2026 - Hour 1 - Darren Dreger

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

oin Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss Jason Robertson turning down a deal from the Kraken, Matthew Knies' next steps with the Maple Leafs and his perception on the team, Connor Hellebuyck's future in Winnipeg the Maple Leafs selecting number one overall in the NHL Entry Draft and the Blue Jays' team issues on a losing skid. TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joins to discuss if Hellebuyck is moved, Sergei Bobrovsky's outlook and the Maple Leafs looking to make moves. 

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Fan Duel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, overdrive off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker up on TSN5, up on YouTube live, streaming later tonight on Cray. Brian Haseo, Doug Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles-McKennan. What's going on today? What's going on? Just rejecting massive offers around the horn. some of the stuff I'm reading, I find very difficult to digest, Hazy-B, very difficult.

In Dallas, you mean? Yeah, Jason Robertson. Sorry, Jason Robertson. He's signed in Edmonton. He got a deal done, right? He's happy. Robertson reportedly turned down an offer from Seattle, eight years, $15 million per, which would launch him,

past McDavid, Drysiddle, Matthews, you know, not quite Caprice off territory, but he decided to turn that down. I think Jeff Merrick was saying that St. Louis was kicking tires on a deal with Robertson, and he said, absolutely not. Not going to happen. So, you know, he's a really good player. Crafty, smart, offensively inclined. I have no idea what he's doing, turning down 15 million a year over eight years.

I mean, that is, to me, a Grand Slam, lock it in, and let's ride type of scenario. Yeah, I don't understand. The only thing I would ask is, why wouldn't you want to stay in Dallas? Like, it sounds like they did offer them kind of the ranting and deal. Like, I think Dallas is a team that's very close, very close. Like, they're, you know, they're knocking at the door being, yes, Colorado was an absolute juggernaut last year. Minnesota's gotten better. But Dallas is always a top-tier team.

They're young. If you look at their spine to their team, this is why Johnson's 22 years old. Maverick Bork, you know, you look at Hints. You look at Hayskin and like Ottinger's 26. Like they got a young really loaded. I think he wants to stay there. He just doesn't want to stay there for $12 million a year.

That's the sticking point noodles. I think that's the thing. He's like, well, Seattle's going to offer me 15. Why can't you offer me 15? That's because Dallas didn't offer that. So you had the opportunity. I have no idea what this guy is thinking. He must have some kind of inflated version of his own self,

where I get it, he's a good player, and it's a year where there's not a ton of them around, and he's going to set the market. But to turn down eight years at 15 per, I'm sorry. His agent must be just disgusted. Disgusted. Unless he's the one turning it down and letting everyone know what's going on. Right?

Like Seattle's sitting there like, what do we have to do to get our hands on somebody here? 15 is a massive number. But keep in mind, if Dallas got to 12, okay, yes, it's a tax-free state. I get all of that. Go to Washington. So is Washington. Exactly. That's where I was going to go, Brian.

So if he turned down 15 on an eight-year deal, that's basically $3 million a year between the 15 and 12. that's $24 million he left on the table by not going to Seattle. Now, if you're, maybe there's another team out there. Maybe St. Louis was willing to do it, and he said no, but maybe there's somebody else that he says, I'll go there for somewhere in the middle of that, and I have just a good chance to win. We'll see. We'll find out because Robertson needs a contract, and I think Dallas, you know, obviously would like to keep them.

Really good player. Really good player. I know, but isn't it, guys, just a slam dunk when somebody offers you that money? you could go in the gym tomorrow and like just I don't want anything bad to happen to anybody what happens if somebody puts that in front of your face I have no idea how you could possibly say I don't care if that's in the worst place in North America I'm telling my agent and my agent would tell me you're signing the contract because he's a smart guy and he knows that you just can't say no to that I don't get it 120 million dollars 20 million cash

No guy. I mean, do you kind of admire him to go, I don't want to go to Seattle and not win type of thing? He said, yeah, you better be careful. Apologies. I'm going to owe the tabman $120 million. Exactly. Because I'm using his terms. Yes.

Shouldn't be doing that. But if you think you have a chance to win in Dallas, then you just sign the $12 million deal. Like, that's, there's somewhere in the medal. I got you. I mean, what's amazing about this time of year in the NHL and the NBA as well, is there's so many names out there and I'm always curious how you get the cat back into the bag

you know like obviously we've talked a lot about Matthew Nyes and you know what could happen with him and where could he go does he just hate on the least now is he miserable? Does he just have it in the back of his mind that they don't want to keep him same thing with Jason Robertson

like if Dallas basically said this is as far as we're going to go and we are literally going to trade you like your rights are going and you've got to sign that deal or what have you how does he really go back to dallas now even if they give him a number that's appropriate and i'm not sure they will like you know don't you find with robertson though brian his name has been out there for at least a couple years where people are like oh is robertson going to be the guy that's going out the door i think especially when since rannon got there his name has been dandied about

for whatever reason may be but if i'm matthew nize i'm just sitting at home Did I have an unbelievable year last year? Maybe, no, I didn't, but it wasn't awful. And then all of a sudden I'm hearing that it's just everyone is taking a shot and I'm available. I would be pissed off, man. I'm surprised to a certain degree that Matthew Nice hasn't flipped it around saying, if you guys are going to sit there and have an auction for me, I'm going to flip the switch here and just get rid of me.

Like, I wouldn't be happy about it. It's given that George. I'm breaking up with you. before you break up with me type of thing. What a turn of events that would be. Oh, hey, think about it. Yeah, you sign a long-term deal with the team, and then all of a sudden one summer later,

it's like there's been tweets out by insiders on every network saying, it seems like it's more than likely that Matthew Nyes is going to get dealt. And it started the year before or this season at the deadline, so it's like, what the hell's going on here? What am I missing after one year and he put up? What did he put up, 58 points or something? Yeah, no, he had like 70s. He had a really good year.

I mean, listen, we've talked about it endlessly, you know, why they might do it. And the reason is maybe they feel, you know, his body's breaking down. Maybe they feel not the greatest skater and that could hinder him in the future. Or, hey, we can't move any of other big pieces. We have other holes to fill. He's the young guy with a cost certainty contract. And we're going to take advantage of that because, As of tonight, we believe they're going to take McKenna.

They got McKenna here. You got Willie here. They feel good about Cowan in the future. They feel okay about filling out the wings. There's a number of different reasons for it. But the flip side of it is, Kevin Shevleday off, the GM of the Jets, did a presser today or spoke with the media, would not confirm or deny that Hellebuck has asked to be traded. But let's say he doesn't.

Like Winnipeg, I think all seven Canadian, markets are sensitive. They're very, and hyper-sensitive today compared to where it was even a year ago. Especially with American players and the perception, like, they don't want to be here anymore. How is that going to work? Like, that, how do people in Winnipeg

reactive, Hellebuck, they feel like he's still there next year on protest? You know, it's because Shevel-Def couldn't get the deal he wanted, so he tells him, you know, stop out of it, you got to play. I think all the GMs have decided that they're not going to go through with that. They're not going to have a guy on the team like that doesn't want to be there because it just gets messy.

So how do you find your price then? Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem, O, is you're with Connor Hellebuck, regardless of, he had an injured season last year and not his best, but he is, you know, he's one, too, a heart, he's one to Vezna's, like he's elite. Like, there would be a lineup for him. But the marketplace might not be there right now. but what if it's there at Christmas?

Like I think Shevel Day Off, this is such an interesting piece when it comes to Winnipeg. When I think of the Winnipeg Jets, I think of Connor Hellebuck. Definitely. So if you move that piece, that's the face of your franchise, that's the – now does Kyle Connor go, hey, hold on here. I sign long term here. Does Mark Schifle go, what do I do in here? Like, I just sign long term.

What are we doing here? It might cause a domino effect. So I think they have to be hypersensitive to – If you move that piece, the whole house of cards is going to probably tumble down and you might be in a different situation. That's kind of what I was thinking. 100%. I mean, this is a foundational piece, the definition of it. As a guy who has been their best player, a guy who is, if healthy and playing to form,

guarantees them the playoffs every year, basically. Yes. Like, you know, last year, obviously not the case because he was injured and he didn't play great. So they struggled. But the previous few years, he gave him like 60 plus starts, was a top three goaltender in the league. You're making the playoffs. Like it's basically a formality. If you have a top three goaltender and he plays a ton, you're getting in.

And they have enough talent to push it even further where you can win a president's trophy like they did last year. So if he goes, it does open the door potentially to a lot of questions. And again, Winnipeg is not a team. It's on a ton of trade list. You know what I mean? Like, let's just call it what it is. I think they're well aware of it. I think people in Winnipeg are well aware of it.

Our second hometown, we love Winnipeg. We love Winnipeg. It's not a shot of the city. It's just a reality of the situation. So I am very curious to see what that looks like. Like I can tell you, Dylan Larkin, I don't see him playing in Detroit again. I think fans there will turn on him and crush him. Like, I don't think you can get that back because I think they take it even more personally there

because he's from Michigan. You know, he's from Michigan. He's the captain. and they're like, where do you think you're going? And I'm guessing Red Wing fans aren't ecstatic with management, ownership, et cetera. It's been a long time since they've been in the playoffs. That fan base would go nuts if that guy skated out for an exhibition game warm-off. I agree.

Like it's a gritty blue-collar, like, oh, really? You're going to turn on Detroit? Here, come get some kind of town. I don't see how Larkin can do that. I don't know if it's as extreme with Hellebuck, but I don't know how you have them play for you again if the belief is he's dying to get out or he wants out. Well, that's the question, though, Hayes.

Chevy was asked a few times, as he asked for a trade or whatever. You know, he did the political side speech, right? I have a read on what that means, don't you? Well, for sure, obviously. But my point is, I don't know if he hasn't come out and said, I want to be traded or they've announced that, I still think there's a time frame there that they can find the right home if he wants to be moved on.

I just don't think you've got to do it by, hey, you've got to do it by a free agency or else it's never going to happen. I still think Hellebuck can skate out under that ice and still play. I think it's a great point about Dylan Larkin. That's a publicly trade request from your hometown and you're the captain. Like that one is, you can't unring that bell. No, that's done. I agree. I don't know, we'll see where the Hellebuck one goes.

We'll see where it goes. And sometimes, you know, time can smooth everything over and maybe he returns and they come out of the gate and they play really well. And he wants to stay in Winnipeg. You know, and maybe that's the hope is that, hey, he's just bent out of shape because of the way the season went. Obviously they had immense success at the Olympic Games and he wants to bottle that and have it more. Okay, let's just breathe, get through the summer, come back in October. Maybe everything works and it's not a concern in the future. You know what's fascinating, guys.

If you look at these teams that everybody, well, most importantly, the players consider the place to be now because of either Florida, Vegas, the taxes, the teams are really good right now. Yeah. But you know how the league changes after two to three years. All of those teams might get older. And then what are all these guys that are going to do that are going to say I wanted to play? there when the teams kind of end their run in two or three years and maybe they're not that good. You know, it's just like, it seems like nobody's kind of thinking ahead saying, oh, maybe in three years that team's going to be good or two years.

Like, these teams are going to drop off all at the same time and then who's going to be running the league? And then is everyone going to flip and then say, oh, now it's this team and that team and that team? I mean, yes. It's always cyclical in the league. It is. You're right. because, you know, Ebenton had a decade of, you know,

first overall picks and ugly stuff. And, you know, Edmonton's not a city for everybody, cold weather climate, all of that type of stuff. But then you get a good team or you get good players, and all of a sudden people will sign there for cheaper. You create the program.

But Brady went down to Florida. In two years, Florida might be awful. Well, you know what, though? I played in Florida when they were awful. You know, I still love the weather, love the state taxic. There is some stuff that goes along with. with, you know, that other teams and organizations can't offer. Here's what I would say about Florida is they have been, you know,

a pretty bad team for like 30 years, you know, like they made the cup that first year, second or third year, whatever it was, yeah. And then they went a long time where they weren't very good. I think, no, exactly. But what I'm getting at is how are they going to learn from Vegas? and be ruthless in three or four years. Because Vegas, I would have said the same thing, you know, eight, nine years ago,

while it's coming, they're going to get bad, they're not. Like, because what they do is they just dump guys and they replace them. So we don't have that history with Florida because, you know, they built it up slowly. Then all of a sudden Zito made so many savvy great decisions. They get Kachuk and boom, you know. But I wouldn't, I wouldn't be shocked if they've learned from Vegas

or they think very similarly to Vegas. And in three years, they tell Sam Bennett, thanks for everything. But you're out of here, man. Like, I don't care about what you did for us in 2024. I don't care. Aaron Eckblad, you're a first overall pick. You get played more games than anybody else. Awesome.

You're leaving. Like, that is how they stay competitive because you're right. It's going to age up. Vegas is the same thing. Mark Stone is not going to skate around at 40 years old and give the Gretzky routine. No chance. They're going to tell him you're out of here.

You're gone soon. His body's going to break down, and they're going to either put them on long term I are or flip them. The way it just doesn't happen. The thing to add to that, the way the league is structured right now, Hayes, it almost doesn't give teams, like, it doesn't allow teams to say we've been junk or we're junk, because the points are so close.

They're like in last place in the division, and they're eight points out, and they're like, ah, it was just injuries this year. You know, I just, our goaltender got hurt. It's like there's no teams that are like bottom of the barrel awful. It's like you could finish the last place in your division and it seems like you're within striking distance of first. So nobody feels that they're just garbage right now.

That's the parody in the Ligo. Like is there outside of Vancouver, I believe, is in what you would call a rebuild. They had one of those years. But Vancouver, but Calgary wants to come out of it. We've seen San Jose, Anaheim take steps, like all of these Chicago's making moves. Like, I think we've seen those teams that have gone through the rebuild coming. And that's the interesting part. That's why I think we're seeing so much movement in the league.

Because teams are, like, putting their hand up going. We've got cap space, and we've got nothing but picks and prospects because we've been, you know, bad for six years, bad for eight years. So that's, I mean, it's unbelievable some of the trades and moves. Well, yeah. And we're not done yet, man. I think there might be all hell could break loose here still tonight. Like if you, if, if, if, if, if Buffalo decides to trade that fourth pick, there'll be some good players moving to get that. Like, that's, that's going to be a good player.

You know, if the belief is McKenna's going one, you know, Stenberg's going to go two, let's say Mahalch is going to go three. That means this is a draft class loaded with defensemen. Yeah. And no defenseman has been picked yet. So you have the pick of the litter at four. Like, whoever you think is the best defenseman, if you can get there, you can get them. But I also think with the draft, you. Like this is where there's teams like in the weeds here that can really be stealth

and chase down the Florida's and the Vegases and the Carolinas because yes, you're seeing, you know, maybe we're in a new era with older players in the league who are saying I'm not resigning or I'm out of here or I'm going to sign a shorter term deal to allow for flexibility. What has not changed is the first six or seven years of a guy's career, you've got them. You know, for the most part, you've got that player. So if you can draft properly, then you don't have to worry about if you're in Winnipeg, Florida, Seattle, Toronto, it doesn't matter where you are. So, you know, this weekend is, I know we're focused on the trades and free agency and all that,

there's going to be a couple of teams that come out of this weekend, and they may not know it yet, but they have laid the framework down for, like, serious success in the future. And, you know, the Leafs have the first pick, obviously tonight. I'd be shocked if they don't take McKenna. Craig's coming up at 5. Craig was on with Jay last night and said he would not be shocked if it wasn't McKenna. So we'll see what Craigie's kind of intimating on that front. Joe from the bridge was counting Oreo boxes, though.

And there were exactly 72, which he believes. I don't know what the hell that that means. Well, that's the number he wears. McKenna's number 72. There was a picture with an Oreos thing in a stall. and Joe from the bridge counted 72 boxes of orders he is he like don't have he has enough time to count Oreo boxes that's right he's just trying to connect the best in the business yeah he's the best in the business and he said there's 72 boxes of Oreos with the number one draft pick sign

therefore connecting the dots no no no Kevin McKenna connecting connecting the Oreos how much you connect the Oreos are you connect the Oreos it just be like like this guy is probably the best play. We've heard about this guy for two years. I don't think it's a shock that if you go one, it's not because of Oreos. It could be. Joe from the bridge is on his game.

He and I were talking, well, more so, he was mocking up different trades, and some of them were actually borderline realistic, which I think is encouraging, because that means Joe is starting to mature a little bit as a leave fan. But anyway, we'll see what Craig can tell us about that just after five. coming up as well. Darren Dregor will join us on how much activity we can't expect

not only tonight but throughout the weekend. Canada playing South Africa on Sunday. I guess they're down in L.A. now. Alfonso Davies, he's still got his own personal trainer and he's kind of running a little bit and I just, I'm not sure he's playing. Like I really

am not sure at all that he's going to be given the green light to play. And I know Marsh keeps saying it. He's ready. He's going to go. We got him. I'll just, I'll believe it when I see it on Sunday. But that's a big opportunity because if you can get through that,

then you're into the round of 16. You're going to play the Netherlands or Morocco in that next round. It's a very tough match. But anything's possible, right? You can get that deep into a tournament that is very, very significant. And the Jay's lost again last night. And I'll tell you, this team, they stink

right now. Like, they are really not a good baseball team. And George Springer and Vladigrero, Jr., and Alejandro Kirk to an extent, although I'll give him more of a grace period because he's coming off the injury. But Springer and Vladdy are killing this team.

And God's been struggling again last night. But I know Vladie, we've talked about Vladdy consistently. Last year he was very good. He was a very good player. The best player and the biggest change year over year is George Springer. Like Springer was their MVP last year. He was their their, they set the table. He hit for power, his OPS.

he almost had a thousand OPS. He was their energy guy. Everything. Everything that kind of symbolized what that season was last year, I think, was driven by George Springer. And he's just lost, man. He looks like he did two years ago.

Like he just, he can't register any offense whatsoever. No production. He looks very uncomfortable. It's auto outs. And again, there's no excuse for it for either guy, less of an excuse for Vladdy because of his age and the contract for that matter. Vladdy is horrendous right now.

But Springer, it's the biggest change. I know Barger's hurt. You know, there's been some turnover here, but George is just, he's nowhere close to being a spark for them. And I just don't know how much longer you can continue to hit him lead off. You know, it just, he never sets a table for anybody right now. And they lost again, that's three in a row. And, you know, they've called up a kid.

Sean Keyes is coming up. who's been mashing in the minors, and we'll see what he can bring to the table. But, man, there are a few games under 500, and they really are really struggling. Not good. It's ugly right now. They win three in a row, and then they lose three. You know, like there's one step forward, two steps back. Like, they just can't get that consistency going.

That's tough. I thought you're sweeping in Boston. You go into Chicago. It was a really gutsy come from behind win on Saturday against the Cubs. And then to come home and play the way that they've played this week, It's a real, real struggle. But again, it starts, the biggest difference year-over-year is Springer. Like, he's killing him right now.

And Gosman in June has really not been good. So you start to concern yourself with that. Like, what does he have left in the tank? You know, look at his numbers. He's got five starts in June. He's got a 762 ERA. And he's getting hit hard. He's giving up a lot of home runs.

Yeah, he's throwing some balls that are like, they were described last night as middle. Middle, middle is not what you want to hear when you're a pitcher. Middle middle. So that's why Atkins came out the other day and said starting pitching is still something that we're concerned ourselves or concerning ourselves with because I'm not sure they know what to expect out of him the rest of the way.

And that, again, as someone last year who you could pretty much pencil in every fifth day, you kind of knew what you're going to get out of Kevin Gosman. Not the case right now. So Jay's that's what they thought in the arms. season. Like they were adding to the magic of last year with George Springer and Vladdy, like playoff Vladdy. And they're like,

if we're just going to supplement this with Ponce and this guy and that guy. But everyone that was so great last year is just not there. Yeah. Other than Ernie Clement. You're right. Ernie has carried his weight. Jimenez has been, you know, kind of what you'd expect.

Varsha was really falling off. Kirk has really struggled. Barger's been hurt all year. Yeah. I mean, that's like there's an easy explanation. It's not hard to figure out. if you're watching the team.

You're like Springer, Blattie, Kirk, Varsho, not the same, barger hurt, Gosman struggling. Yeah, it's an issue. So back in action tonight down at the dome with Texas in town and the World Cup continuing this weekend. So we'll continue to look ahead to that.

But Darren Dreger coming up in studio, what is he hearing ahead of the draft tonight? What else could be in store for the seven Canadian teams? Craig Button, just after 5 o'clock, overdrive continues up on YouTube live. All right, over. Drive continues powered by Fanduil. Bringing you more ways to

play your game your way. Craig Button coming up just after five. We have a Blue J game tonight. We've got the World Cup obviously continuing this evening. France is currently beating Norway. A big match tonight, Spain, Uruguay. I look

forward to that. And of course we've got the NHL draft where the Leafs are about to pick first overall. And Darren Dregor is joining us in studio. How you doing, Dregs? I'm doing okay. You know, it's kind of warm in here. Why is the air not in here, Brian? It's a good question. We have to call Montreal, Jigs, that's why.

Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a bizarre system because it's gone both ways where we've come in and it's incredibly warm, it's incredibly cold. Well, I complain to doogie, do you goes, let me call up somebody in Montreal, and by next week we'll get that sorted out. Not to disparage the World Cup crew in Studio 6,

but it's as hot in Studio 6 as it is in here. Really? And that does not happen on James Duthy's watch. Ice cold. It does not happen. Ice, cold. Yeah. I don't know how to explain it, but how are we feeling about this evening?

I know Noodles has been calling a shot for about 12 years now that all hell is going to break loose. And he is a believer that tonight, although I guess it's been breaking loose all week. I think we've been consistent. You're right, Brian. We've been consistent. But Dregs, any, I mean, any sniffing that, you know, a top 10 pick or go, top five pick maybe that gets moved? Well, there's an appetite for that, right? It feels like we've been talking about this for several days.

It's not looking great that Winnipeg has an example. I've been nibbling at the Connor Hellebuck scenario, as many of us have, and where might he be the best fit, who's most interested in all of that. And I do think that the Buffalo Sabres have been a team that has been circling around Connor Hellebuck. Would you give up the fourth pick overall? You know, the pick that they acquired from the Chicago Blackhawks as part of a package. if Overdrive had been around 11 o'clock in the morning, I might have said, yeah, I think it's trending in that direction.

Now I don't, I'm not as confident in saying that. I'm not as confident in thinking that these two teams are going to be able to get something together in time for the opening round. But we'll see. I mean, I qualified every single year around this time year by simply saying all it takes is a phone call, right? Because you've nibbled at the parameters of what A-Trade looks like when you're talking about top-end. and players are goaltenders. So all it takes is one guy to go, okay, yeah, you know,

I'm turning away from this team over here and that opportunity. So I'm going to focus on you. Let's get this done. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but it could. Darren, Brady Kachuk made it clear. He said I don't want to start the season with the Ottawa Senators. Dylan Larkin has done the same with the Detroit Red Wings. Is it clear on what message Connor Hallibuck has sent the Winnipeg Jets?

Does it mirror those other two, or is it a different message? It's similar, I think, oh, and I'm hedging here because I don't believe that there's anything official. There's just that sense, right? And maybe it's more similar to the conversation that Brady Kichuk had with the brass of the Ottawa senators, different than Dylan Larkin or Darnel Nurse. You know, Larkin and Nurse just formally made a trade request. You know, look, I mean, Connor Hullabuck came out at the end of the year. He said what he said, out disappointed, unhappy he was, and I don't think that he is reliant.

on that position even a little bit with the management of the Winnipeg Jets or with his teammates. I think that he's been steadfast in that. So, I mean, are we dealing in semantics? If you know that the player isn't happy, you know, when is the best time to deal with it? And it's probably around now because you've got all the activity leading into the draft and free agency. And on top of that, that free agent pool, as we know, is getting less and less interesting. almost not low.

On a day-by-day basis. So I think the teams that have assets like this, and they know that they're no longer happy or doing everything they can to exhaust possibilities. What is the potential domino effect in Winnipeg if they trade Hellebuck? In terms of being competitive in the future. Yeah.

See, again, I think it depends on what you're getting back here. You know, in a perfect world, you get a number two center that comes back with that. And obviously you need a goaltender. They've got Connor Hullbuck and they've got Comrie. So you'd need a goaltender back. If you're not getting a number two center, then I think that you have to get more creative.

I honestly believe that that market, if we go back to what I said earlier about Buffalo, and let's just think out loud. This is my raw pure speculation. So you get the fourth pick overall. You get UPL. You'll go back a luke. You know, maybe you get a prospect.

You know, is that good enough? Is that good enough to sell that? because if you don't have to throw the eight pick into the equation, now you're drafting four, you're getting a hell of a hockey player at four, and you're probably getting a real nice ad in the eight spot as well. I think you could sell that to that market. I do, I do. And the goal-tending, and then you've got to dabble and, you know,

add another depth center and maybe some other pieces up front and things like that. That's where it gets tricky, though, because you're not, you're telling your market, we're not going to be a playoff competitive team next year. It's unlikely, but we're not that far. far away. And look, shovel they off goes through this and he's gone through it in the last week in having trade conversations. There wouldn't be another team in the National Hockey League

that has more blocks in front of them than Winnipeg. Every player in the league that has the luxury of a no-trade list, has Winnipeg on that list. Every single player. So it's almost impossible when you're trying to add pieces via trade. Well, that's exactly what makes it so complicated. Like even if hell bucks out, and they're like, well, we'll go find other.

players, how are you going to do that? I mean, it really is it's a tricky situation for them up there. In terms of where the Maple Leaflies currently stand, I saw they traded Erson to Ottawa. They get that fifth pick back, or fifth round pick back. So basically what they traded to get

the rights to radish. Where do things stand with that? Like they have the first overall pick tonight. Do you think they'd want to overshadow that moment with a deal beforehand? I mean, I don't think so. I mean, it's been reported. Chica and whoever else accompanied him to the investigation in Whitehorse.

You know, do you go to those lengths to get to know the background of Gavin McKenna? You know, but I'm no draft guru here. You know, what if you look at Stenberg and you know, he's pretty damn close? He's pretty close. Do you even go as far as to having a conversation with Mike Greer about dropping down a notch? If you're not convinced that Gavin McKenna is worth the splash and all of that. my understanding is he's been involved in a bazillion different trade scenarios conversations so when i when i when i when i saw the trade today

um where arson goes to to ottawa this was a plan all along maybe not necessarily to send him to ottawa but the fact they weren't going to qualify him and i thought for whatever reason you know despite the fact that they've got some depth in the goalie position now with what happened in the american league i'm like hmm all this sergey burboski noise out there maybe there's something to this. And I was told no, it's unrelated, but then an outside source said, yeah, well, that could be true, but

if Barovsky doesn't buckle and end up resigning, extending with the Florida Panthers, then Toronto most definitely is a team, as many have speculated on that is pretty high on this list. Dregs, with

all the talk, like, you know, it seems like there's the five destination on all these players are wanting, to go to and teams not wanting to a guy just turned down a signing in Seattle today. Yeah. Like is this filtered up to the league? Like, does it gotten people's attention where they're like, there's something to do about this or is this is just the way it is and you guys got to deal with it?

I think it's the lateral. And I haven't had a conversation with Marty Walsh, Executive Director of the NHLPA. But for whatever reason, when I see what's happening, I'm thinking of Bob Goodnow. God rest his soul. He's probably, you know, smiling down and going, this is beautiful, because players have actually now taken control of what their career path is. And it used to be you grab every single dollar that you can get. Well, that's the easy part. Now guys are doing it when they're two years out from a contract extension or an expiring contract.

So I don't think that there's much that the league can do about that and the individuals can do about that. But I think we're talking about a select crop here too, right? You're not getting middle-of-the-road players doing that with teams. You know, you're talking about the best of the best. We're flexing that sort of muscle. And I don't know that the NHL has much pushback in that regard. Dregs, we were talking about the parity in the league and a lot of the moves and all of that. Is there a team that you would maybe circle and say, you know, watch out for X, XYZ,

like kind of off the radar. You know, everybody's obviously we focus on Toronto and, you know, some of the teams, is there somebody that you go, hey, keep an eye on San Jose or somebody like that that might be active? Well, those teams for sure could be active. San Jose, I think. What about Seattle? Oh,

alluded to it earlier. I mean, Jason Robertson pushed away from an eight-year, $120 million deal. And the sense I get as to why is he wasn't bullied into it. I mean, there was a trade executed between Seattle and Dallas

that wasn't going to be formalized, unless the player accepted the contract extension, but Seattle steps up in an enormous way, enormous financially, because Seattle knows that they've got to go pedal to the floor here. There's no other way, you know. And look, I think Robertson looked at it and went, well, there's a couple of things.

I'm not convinced that Seattle is going to be a contending team anytime soon. And I'm also not ready to make an eight-year decision at this point. You know, it's not like this has been on his radar for days and days and days, so he's had time to digest. So Seattle pushes away from that because it's not happening, but, man, Seattle has got a strong appetite for something. We don't quite know what it is yet, but if there's that level of player,

I mean, Robertson's pretty lofty when you look at how consistently is offensively, I think Seattle is a team that, again, if they can get in there in some way, shape, or form, they're definitely going to try and get something big done. Yeah, I wonder when the Montreal Caneasey, are going to kind of join the dance party here. After the season they just had, they have a ton of assets, they got a lot of picks. And I'm thinking, I have to believe they feel pretty confident that they have the core in place

that is going to at least afford them a playoff spot next year. Everyone knows what they'd be looking for, that second line center, I think. Like, are they going to just continue to slow play this, which may not be the worst decision? like let Hage show up when he's going to show up and the other young players or do they decide, you know, forget it, we're going to floor it here ourselves and see if we can really push forward. Well, they've been trying to do that. You know, they've been trying to do that.

But, you know, you have to have somebody to dance with. You know, I think that there definitely was interest in he sure doesn't look like he's going anywhere. Dylan Larkin made it abundantly clear that, you know, he's got a select few teams that he's willing to go to. You know, I think that they've more or less kicked tires on Vinny Trocheck with the New York. York Rangers. You know, he actually makes some sense, even though I believe Montreal's on his no-fly zone. I think that there's some flexibility from Trochex perspective. He makes some sense because he's an older guy established, and maybe that buys you just enough time to get Hage up to speed, right? But they're okay with where they're at up the middle of the ice. And so getting that

number two center, they look at as a luxury item. They've certainly tried to play that game of acquiring that piece, but Jeff Gordon and Ken Hughes always have a card up their sleeve. There's always something there. So if it's not a center because they believe that maybe Capitan with a little bit more experience can play an elevated role,

they've got Hage coming, all of that, they might flip to the wing. They might flip to the wing and see if there's something that's quasi-juicy available out there that isn't through free agency, but maybe is there through trade. with Darren Dregor. You mentioned Sergey Bobrovsky,

and I get the impression his preference would be to stay in Florida. If not, like I just don't see Florida starting next year with one of Bob or Hallibuck, and that? Like, that's just what I assume will happen. You do, eh? I just assume that's going to happen.

That's my, just based on their history and the way that they operate. And the league just seems to be like, yeah, here, we'll help you out. You know, what do you need to do, Florida? We'll find a way to make this work for you. Well, you know, look, I mean, Billy Zito has been one of the teams that has been consistent in pestering Chauveled Aoff in the Winnipeg Jets. But they're not willing to give up Lundell, and that would be the centerman that Winnipeg would cover, obviously. So what other pieces can you throw into that equation?

And there really aren't any, because you're talking about futures. You know, Bill Zito could trade away his first round draft pick through 2013 if he likes. But that's not really helping Winnipeg. not saying that that isn't going to happen. Let's just see how it plays out. But again, let's remind everybody here that Hellebock is under contract through 2013. So if Winnipeg Jets don't get the deal that they need,

as awkward, as uncomfortable as it might be for Hellie, I'm sorry, man, but you're under contract here. We tried. Now, Brabowski, and this was pointed out to me today, as we know, the Russian players, man, they command respect. They want to feel like they're respected. And I'm not here saying that Florida's disrespected,

Sergey Barbowski, but because they've had so much time, he's had so much time to contemplate all of this, and that six-time seven contract hasn't been realized in Florida, and that's initially what he wanted. Maybe he's going, oh, wait a minute here. I'm feeling a little disrespect in all of this, and, you know, maybe he is actually willing to live.

leave. But it also wouldn't surprise me of, you know, they don't have that chair filled. And Bob comes back and says, yeah, I don't want to go anywhere anywhere. Let's figure this out. Dregs, I was trying to tell Hayes because he never played professional sports. I was trying to explain how pissed off, Dregs, you know me. And if I was sitting at home, and all I heard was my name being bandied about how they're listening to offers and that most likely I'd be moved. You know how I would handle that. Yeah, like, where does Matthew, yeah, like, where does Matthew Nyes come into this where he just calls the organization and says, what in the hell is going on here?

I committed to you guys long term, and now I got to sit and listen to this. I would not be happy about this. Well, that's why he's in Italy, right? I mean, with all due respect, that's why he's there. He's trying to escape some of the social media in ways. And, hey, look, players will say, I don't listen to it. I block it out. I don't watch all of that.

Sure, they do. they do and it comes back to them in varying forms through family or whatnot. You know, look, I think we've been consistent in this all along and it dates back to the trade deadline when we know that Trilliving had considerable conversation negotiations with Montreal to agree with Buffalo. Maybe there were some other clubs. This isn't new to Matthew Nyes.

You know, John Chikea's new general manager has to listen to the interest, but not one time, as he said to any club that's asked, that, yeah, I'm interested in trading him. He says, no, that's not good enough. You know, if you want to acquire one of our best players and a key part of our future, it's got to be better than that. So keep adding.

And there's been ample conversation, but nothing that I'm aware of that Toronto is seriously considered, but that doesn't keep Matthew Nyes out of the crosshairs. It would be tough. Well, we'll see what comes with it between now and Wednesday, anyway. And then beyond that, there's always room for deals into the summer. You know what I'm doing Thursday morning? Yeah, wiping your underpants, drip like you're drenching the underpants into a garbage can and throwing them out.

Straight into the fireplace. Thank you for that. Have a great weekend. We'll do it again soon. Thanks, guys. There's Darren Dregor, a TSN Hockey Insider. All right, Craig Button coming up. There's some news about who could be presenting or I guess announcing the first overall pick tonight for the Leafs. We'll get into that.

And Jay's back in action, World Cup continues. And Scotty Sheffler on fire down at the Travelers today. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN5. All right, Craig Button coming up in about 10 minutes. What is Craig hearing? What is Craig thinking? Because Craig was on with Jay last night and said he wouldn't be shocked if the Leaves

did not take Gavin McKenna tonight. Wow. If they don't, that will be... You talk about a reaction and a ballsy decision to go out there and not take McKenna, who is largely the consensus, top talent,

number one guy in the draft. Obviously, you'd be going Stenberg, Mulholtra, maybe Reed, maybe one of the other defensemen. But if you're going to do that, wouldn't you trade back? You know, if you feel...

You're taking guys. Gavin McKenna. You believe they're taking McKenna. I know they're taking Gavin. Oh, you know they're taking McKin. Are you the guy that's going to be in Buffalo making the announcement tonight? I don't. Who is this?

I got one guest. Tom Brady. That's my guess. Tom Brady. Why would it be Tom Brady? I don't know. I don't know. That would be bizarre, actually.

Okay, who is it? Is it Bieber? Well, I could see it being Bieber, but do you think he's going to Buffalo to do this? I'm not sure. Like he could be in Stratford. Yeah, but some of them are like video things. Like, hey, this is Justin Bieber. They're not like in.

That's possible. But I think Emily Kaplan tweeted out that based off rehearsals, the league is preparing for a major A-list celebrity to announce the number one pick for the Maple Leafs. Which you could be right. That may be a video, which to me would be a little bit strange. But.

So let me just get straight as far as the draft haze. Is this like the old draft where all the teams, they're not having, like, are they having it the old way? It's centralized back in Buffalo. And so, yeah, I believe all the teams, like the league I believe is in Buffalo. I don't know the answer to whether or not you have the right to stay home if you want to. Well, yeah, some teams I know are staying in their war rooms. They've set their PR people and they're staying in the war rooms. So there you go.

Yeah. So they're in their own. cities, they're not in Buffalo. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. What about our guy with the stash? He'll be in Buffalo because security is mandatory.

Security is mandatory and he will be on it. Do you remember how thirsty that guy was when he got back into that cocktail reception in the lobby of that hotel? Ten years ago. Ten years ago. Yeah, that was. Matthew's draft. He ripped that black suit off in a black tie.

He looked like he was from men in black. And he morphed into whole. Hawaiian shirt and khaki shorts and flip-lops and went bonkers at the hotel lobby bar. Yeah. He put in shift after shift. We didn't walk past that lobby bar one time where he wasn't there. Ryan, I'll never forget, because you brought it to my attention. You said to me, O Dog, I want you to take a look over your right shoulder and take a gander at this guy at the bar running rough shot on everything.

He was drinking brown liquor and something. Yes, he was. And then the next day you said, oh, dog, look at the guy running the main operation on the floor with the mustache. That's the same guy. There was a guy. Ten years ago. Ten years ago. All right.

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