OverDrive - OverDrive - June 30, 2025 - Hour 3

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 3 on OverDrive! They discuss Mitch Marner's departure from the Maple Leafs, building his intangibles in Toronto, outgoing the landscape of Toronto sports and exit from the franchise. TSN Hockey Analyst Carlo Colaiacovo gives his perspective of Marner's trade to the Golden Knights, the legacy in Toronto and how the Maple Leafs will overcome Marner leaving the team and Bryan gives his FanDuel Best Bets.

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What an hour we just had and there's still so much more breakdown but if you're just tuning in mitch marner sign and trade with vegas so he signs an eight-year deal with the leaves traded to vegas for nicholas walk coming back to close what was on that cap cup winning team a few years ago uh... six foot four two hundred you know crazy man it's crazy to announce that he's like it just seemed like i don't know it seems like i've I've we're all getting old like it

It doesn't seem like that long ago this kid was coming up and he was gonna be the Toronto kid the superstar and it was Gonna last forever. Well, yeah, you're right, man You're right like the exit of Marner like he's been in the organization for a decade They drafted him fourth overall to make David draft, right? Every every leaf fan was hoping they'd win the lottery like every other team like how are you kind of racking this up with like a Vince Carter exit and in different players like where does it resonate for you as far as?

Exits of kind of star players and golden boys in the city. I can't think of a more boys in the city? I can't think of a more polarizing, you know, superstar in the city in recent years and I can't think of a more, you know, kind of vitriolic exit for a superstar in my lifetime. I mean, I, by the fans. Yeah. I mean, I guess, you know, Vince is different. I should say Maple Leaf because Carter was different and Carter was pulling on the you know, I always talk about it the sensitive kind of Self-esteem issues that Raptor fans had that players didn't want to be here and Vince was gonna be different And then he just kind of ripped the rug from underneath them and he quit on the team and he demanded out

Marner didn't demand out right so you got to keep that in perspective. He didn't demand out. He wanted out, clearly. Clearly, he wanted out and that's why I keep driving out. I'd love to know when he made up this decision. It would appear to me it was last summer. He decided I'm out of here and maybe it was going to Vegas and he knew it was going to be available to him. But he didn't demand out like Vince. He didn't quit on them, right? Like Vince quit. Like he didn't quit. Marner didn't demand out like Vince. He didn't quit on them, right? Like Vince quit like he didn't he didn't quit Marta didn't play well in the biggest games But neither did other players on his team So I don't think you can just hold that against him

But what was always different about Mitch was he was a local guy. It was supposed to be different The fact that he's the first guy the core for leaving that's probably what's most shocking to me Is that he's the first? Yeah like he's the first yeah like he's the the local guy And maybe we should have seen it the whole time because of the way his first contract went down The rumors of you know how the him and Babcock Lou Lamarello not giving them the same bonuses that they gave Matthews, which was a real

Point of contention by all accounts within the Marner camp So maybe there there had been a kind of a crumb trail laid out for the last nine years that this was inevitable, but I do think Vince was unanimously hated. Like there wasn't anyone that supported Vince Carter. There are people that wanted Mitch to return, that still I think were in the Mitch Marner corner of things if you're a Leaf fan. But I would say if it was 50-50, you know, two or three months ago it's probably 75-25. 75 being loud and really not happy with him and more than happy that he's gone and now thinking this guy what's gonna keep coming up jammed on

getting Miko Rantan and could have had him but Mitch said no. One thing about this guy that I've never understood and we go it was part and I'm not trying to kick his rear end on the way out the door he was a fantastic player he was paid a lot it was appropriately paid but I never understood his PR with the way he just it seemed like he always had this thing where he was kind of getting screwed somehow and I never really understood that he does not over all i don't know people were always all over a marie was getting the short end of the

stickers uh... i don't know i i could never figure that out and maybe i read that wrong or at it just i was like you're one of the best players on the trauma police everybody loves watching you play on the ice how you're getting paid an enormous amount of money i just never understood the idea of him getting screw or like he was being screwed somehow I just don't think he was very comfortable in front of the microphone. I don't think he was comfortable He's not a guy that you know by all accounts behind the scenes very funny guy very outgoing quick-witted You know in the dressing room all all of that. In front of a microphone, it just seemed like he was not comfortable in his own skin talking

about his game, talking about the Leafs. He seemed to have this force field around him, this guard up, regardless. You could ask him, behind the scenes, how are you doing? And chat it up. In front of a camera camera how are you doing it was it was yeah very short and tight ends that's the word and I don't know maybe just goes to a new market where like I say just every day maybe there's some media there from maybe not and you know it's gonna be proven here what's gonna be proven because there's always been this discussion here,

you know, there's too much pressure, it's too heavy, come playoff time in particular. I don't think this applies at all during the regular season, certainly not in the summer. It's unbelievable to be a Maple Leaf up in Muskoka in the summer. It couldn't be a better place on earth to be a celebrity or anything of the likes. But, you know, there is a belief, and maybe it's true, that it just, it's so tense, it's so pressure-packed, it's so difficult to succeed in the playoffs here

because of the history, because of how tightly, you know, strung the fan base is, how everyone's so on edge about past failures and them, you know repeating themselves again where if he goes to Vegas and he just is unbelievable in the biggest games then he could actually be an example of of this being the case that that it's a Toronto issue but if he goes to Vegas and he fades in the biggest games because the biggest games are waiting for him in Vegas

They're a very good team. They're going to the playoffs every year. He gets to game seven next year and he's a shell Not Toronto not the bright lights. It's not the pressure. It's him and that that is what I think people It's it's difficult to determine, you know, was it the pressure was it? You know that he's from here All that kind of stuff? Or was it that he's just not wired for it? Because I'm not convinced he's wired for it. Like I don't know if he is.

I don't know if he can step up in the biggest games when it gets tough. And don't just think fans or people listening that just because he's in Vegas with palm trees and the desert and all the Vegas lights, that there won't be pressure on him to perform in big games. Huge pressure. Highest paid player on the team. a it's more of the business pressure that's what I think you know he made it's bill for us to do it or don't pressure right it's not like he's going to leave the rink and it's going to be like oh you stink at the gas station right

it'll be the do it or don't pressure of the on ice element. Which is a big difference. It is a big difference but it's still, that's why I was saying last hour. The business pressure will still be there because the NHL is the NHL. Wherever you play the NHL is still the NHL. They are expected to win and George McPhee is a very very intense guy. So is Kelly McCrimmon. You see Bill Foley sitting in the box. Those guys, they want to win. They've won before. The expectation is, hey, we're bringing in a superstar and we're paying you 12 million

bucks a year. You've got to perform. Yeah. The difference will be is everything else that comes with it. Getting to the rink, all of that type of stuff. It'll just be a lifestyle change so we'll see how he how he how it unfolds for him yeah it will be it's gonna be shot it's not the same history there at all I mean it's Vegas they've been in the league for what eight years nine

years it's a totally different experience and you know that that really it's amazing the way he's going out here because again, it's a sign and trade He was a free agent. He didn't demand out but you look at it You know someone just sent this to me fastest player in franchise history to reach 700 career points Well, it's the longest point streak in team history fourth all-time and assists fifth and points tied for point a fourth and points per game Like all these things he's got a local kid and yet he's leaving and a lot of people like get out like we're happy to see him leave because of The way I think he played in the biggest moments

I know there's a lot of stupid fans being keyboard warriors, but it's not just keyboard warriors, dude It's a lot of people that aren't on Twitter. It's it's the guy in driving down the 401-2. It's not just keyboard warrior guy. It's a lot of people. And I think what this is, the reason why I think a lot of people were, the reason he's leaving with the amount of vitriol and the reason he's leaving and maybe even being compared to Vince Carter is because it never felt like, I don't know, it never felt like, you know, he really wanted it all for the Leafs, I guess. I don't even know how to formulate this thought. Like, he wanted the money, the access, and all that, but it wasn't like he put it all on the line for the Leafs,

or he wasn't willing to take a discount for the Leafs, or he didn't love being a Leaf, and now he wants out. And I think that is what a lot of people take personally and a lot of Leaf fans are like all right then get out of here and if that's your perception that I just got to get out of here and I don't want to do this anymore people aren't going to like that but there's no doubt about that with it there wasn't playoff success so that's the the the other thing that I think the fans you're talking about, Brian. And he has to own that gene. Yeah, that's totally reasonable for people

to be unhappy with that. He's part of that. He's part of what we were talking about. We talked about it for how many years, realistically. The first four or five, you're like, OK, this team is young. The core's still growing. But realistically, what has it been? The last five years, where it's like, this team is young the core is still growing and that but realistically what has it been the last five years where it's like score for these guys you know what tomorrow is involved in all of that you know you got to do something different top heavy you know

especially forwards it's not it's not spread out through the team you got to break it up dubas by all accounts maybe wanted to maybe shanny didn't wanted to all of this stuff So now that it's coming whether it's organic whether the player choose it or Brad tree-living made it happen It's happened. So the that era of the core four it's over. It's it's yeah, you know There's there's still a core three you can call it. Well, that's an interesting point. Like did the Leafs really instigate this? I don't think so. Like by all accounts Brad Tree Living was knocking on the door of his agent three or four months ago begging to negotiate which we're trying to negotiate so the Leafs I don't think the Leafs are in the

right to be like well we needed to break up the core four you didn't you didn't do anything. There was a lot of things that were out of Brad Tree Living's hands the way that this guy's contract was structured like very well here very valid but yeah it has been reported on that they were trying to negotiate doesn't mean they would have agreed to terms right but you know mitch determined maybe last summer i'm out of here i don't get the impression the lease had that fall that's exactly right he determined i'm out of here and when they approached him with some kind of trade possibility he was like now you're really now i'm really out of here, so don't even bother with anything.

The other thing too is you're still trying to manage assets, regardless of emotion. We just talked about, we just posted Joe from the Bridge posted the type of stats this guy has put up. He's been a superstar. He's been an all-star. He played four nations face-off, all of that. He almost been a superstar. He's been an all-star. He played for, you know, Four Nations face-off, all of that. And he almost walked out the door. Yes, you get Nicholas Wah, you get Cap Relief, but in the end, you know, I think when you're talking about Brad Treeliving either wanting to sign him or move away from

him, you're like, you're trying to asset manage. You're trying to go, okay, either sign with us or let us trade you and I think that's probably what was going on all season long so if you're mad at somebody you're going okay Mitch has earned the right to go to unrestricted free agencies earn the right to do this but all along we don't know if Brad tree living was going to them last summer saying let's deal with this now because it's going to be a gong show a year from now well regardless of what and that's again you're right like mitch had the right to do all this but when you're dealing with fandom it is a rational by nature no it's fickle by nature

that's undine had the right to say i have a no movement cause i'm not going anywhere every player does that's the reason they sign it so it's almost like you shouldn't even bother asking right but we're on this is separate chat that's the player GM business chat I'm talking the fans if you're asking me why the fans are feeling the way they're feeling is because that's not they're not rational all the time they don't look at it like well he had the right to do that it was in his contract it's like well if you want it out why didn't you hook up your hometown team and let them get me go rant today?

I think like that say the fans act like they know what goes on behind the scenes with the The no trade and the possible trade and they could have had random But at the end of the day it comes down to winning and in the biggest games this group together And he was a part of it. They couldn't pull the trigger on big wins Yeah, so that kind of is the crux of all the disappointment anger. They could say, oh this guy screwed us, we could have got ranted in or why didn't he block this? I don't think they're informed enough. It all comes down, the anger comes down from the team not winning and he was a part of that. That is very true. And that is ultimately at the core of almost everything if you're a Leaf fan.

It's that they just, they never met expectations. Like the Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and then you add Tavares, Corp, Forera, it didn't do it. And now it's broken up. But there's still guys here that have a chance to change that. Right? Like if you're Austin Matthews, you have a chance to change it. William Nylanders, John Tavaresres is gonna likely retire a Maple Leaf now. So you got four more cracks out of him, man. You know, and it's not gonna get easy because Florida, as we've known and as we've reported, well not us, we're reading reports.

Eklat is resigned, eight years at 6.1 million per, and Brad Marchand is resigned six years at like five and a half per. So all three of them are back, Bennett, E, Brad Marshann, they're all back. The whole team's returning effectively to Florida. So here's my, here was my theory when you're talking about Florida moving forward, you know, a window for the next four or five years. There's one X factor in that. I think I know what it is, but brought over 37 years old exactly

And he's got one year left on his deal. Yeah, so yes, it's 10 million is gonna come off the books But unless you replace it, you know what Jamie? He'll sign for 1 million and be better in the next four years than he's ever been in his life Potentially and you're you know what? You might be right. Yeah, but it just it that that's the thing. Father time is coming for everybody. Correct? Including me. You said bull tender sometimes or late like this guy could be unbelievable for the next three years. Well, unbelievable. Mark Andre Fleury won a Vesna I believe at 37. If it wasn't 37 it was 36. Pecorini won one at 35. Yes,

their age. We do talk about mileage. Now Sergei Bobrasky in the last two years has played 159 games total. That's regular season in 58 and 23 in the playoffs, this year 54 and 24. He's unbelievable. But at some point the body is going to break down or they have to have somebody step in and take some of those minutes. Now, here's a KJ under the radar move that Florida made and that nobody was paying attention to as they went and got Tarasov, this big mutant goaltender out of Columbus. you know, he reminds me of a little bit is the goalie in Toronto here the Yes, Anthony Stoller's big and and you know, just learning his body just all of that type of stuff So he might be the heir apparent for Bobrovsky, but the Florida's thinking ahead there like there

This is a team that's moving and shaking but they're they're also they've got plans in place like a Bennett left a let's slide Lundell up here like they well this isn't a team that doesn't have things sorted out but they they brought everyone back so now you've got literally their top nine is back I believe maybe Rodriguez needs a deal I'm not sure but he was in and out of the lineup at times to anyway right so you've got Barkov Reinhardt Verhege back you've got to check and benet plan together loose to ryan and one delamar shan are gonna stay intact so there there's your your

basically top nine jones and meekler gonna play forcing a neck butter gonna play and bobs and net like their top nine their top for the bull tenor back guts of it the guts of it yes so that's who's they pose beaten that team next year? Like that's the-

Dude, I told you. You're not beating that team. They really energize, man. They just have to deal with the regular season. Honestly, I think that's their biggest enemy next year is the regular season. They just got to find a way to just keep trucking along and be comfortably in the playoffs and don't let things slip away and they'll start destroying. Well, those guys were out, they're so good man.

Who the hell is gonna beat them next year? Someone's gotta take a crack at it. No kidding. There's gonna be, again, it's a long year you don't know. But down the stretch, I called the game, it was Ottawa, Florida, I remember having a conversation with Paul Maurice. The team wasn't playing that well. Kachuk wasn't there, you know, Marchand hadn't settled in, he was injured, like there were

so many things that they were like, okay, if this all comes together, you know, we're going to look good. And Matthew Kachuck even said it now it's easy to say it after you've won we said we didn't care we just cared about getting into the plot we didn't care about home ice we didn't care about

you know where we slotted who we played we felt we had to get to our game and that was it and it took them a while to get to their game but they they got going and once they were cooking they were you know that we saw the result uh... you're right that next next regular season in november we're gonna be having this conversation going on you know what they signed all

these guys that look all they look slow they look you know that hangover stanley cop hangover and then guess what you know at one point they'll be energized now what does it oh what will happen though with bringing everyone back is like at some point it's gonna spin off right now that may be four years three or four years down the road which you know again if you're Florida you're like I'll take advantage of this window try to get one more maybe two more that's just an incredible run but if like Bennett got eight act blood got eight those guys are 29

Marchand got six. He's 37 like in in two or three years an injury or two or these guys, you know go over the hill and You're stuck quote unquote with all these guys then Like they're not gonna win every single year. I put it that way. It's just not the nature of the sport It's incredibly difficult to do. I put it that way. It's just not the nature of the sport. It's incredibly difficult to do. I think you bring up an interesting point that they may be rejuvenated a little bit because everyone stayed.

It's raw, raw, incredible energy, incredible aura right now around that team. But the grind, it's a grind, man. Yeah, it is a grind. But let me just remind you of a couple things. Tampa Bay Lightning's a pretty damn good hockey team they'd they mopped them up for fun tronald game around took in the seven games then they took carolina

and slap them around and said that wasn't even challenging then they went to the finals and basically kinda did the same thing with the ebb and thunders so i'm just saying you could say it's a grind and this and that. Like they dummied Tampa Bay. Like dummied and Carolina, which are two highly regarded teams. How Carolina is favored to win the Stanley Cup next year is beyond me. But that's a team that we should be watching tomorrow. They haven't really done anything yet, but you're right.

What are they going to do tomorrow? Are they going to sign Nick Ehlers? I don't know why everyone's like... That's the last type of player they need. I think that Nick Ehlers is a really good player. People are like, ah, he's a... I think he's a really good player. You know what? I just can't get it out of my head. It's just going to be...

It's going to be really... It's stuck in my brain tomorrow. Whenever a player's signed I can't get it out of my head and it's the wrong way to approach it but I'm gonna say how the hell is he gonna help a team beat the Florida Panthers or I'll think who is he on the Florida Panthers that's all I can get my head out of how good they are and how good they've been they've been to three straight finals so that's all I can think about is I know who's that guy in the panthers or how is that guy

get help beat the panthers or just never works out that way dude i get it but i can never die years in these idiots are going away i know that there's no they're their best team in the league there the pace car and someone's gotta go get him there's no more reset and i said it was bs and but maybe he was and he was like we were good the last couple years but of years but this is by far even better. That's just like, oh my god. They proved it. You're right.

They are the gold standard of the league and teams are coming for them. What do you do? You don't build your team to beat Florida. You build your team to maximize to what you can do. Who in the East is coming for them next year? Tell me. Well, it's Toronto, Tampa, I don't know, just Jersey, keep growing, the Habs, Ottawa, I mean those are the teams.

See you at the elbow room at 10am in a year. Here's the thing, we said the same thing about the Celtics this time last year. Things change very quickly. And the Chiefs were a lock to three-peat. When Edmonton won that first game we felt, oh you said Edmonton's winning in five. Like you know things change very quickly. No, that was you. I remember that and I was like no they're not. But all I'm saying is things change pretty quickly. There's some damn good teams out there, but Florida has earned the right because they're the best team in the league and they're the pace car.

Yep. No question. They are. There is two flies that have been flying around the studio. Literally you guys weren't watching. It was on my head and I was trying to play it cool. I was finishing, I just went like this and it started flying around anyway i would in there that's why i was really hanging across

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See you for a $15 fast lunch at your local Boston Pizza. Best best later in the hour powered by FanDuel. Put a lot of activity this afternoon. Matias Michelli is probably like dude Give me some time here to like be the headliner of the day the least acquired him via trade Earlier this morning or earlier this afternoon from Utah made some good passes on the YouTube stuff I saw today a couple years ago had 57 points. I believe put up some good numbers skilled guy You know it's they paid a third round pick a conditional pick they they have money like they got

some flexibility I think what the Leafs did with the Tavares deal was a team friendly deal that's a big win I think the Nice deals a really reasonable deal on both sides yeah yourself we talked about Marner leaving Hayes and him not being a part of the playoff success that everybody wanted maybe he's like the Leafs could be under a lot of heat next year if they think to join out early on. Well yeah they've got to perform for sure but you still have Matthews, Nylander, Tavara, Nyes you know is a really good player.

Like you still. Mitch was a big part of it. A lot of special special arms killing penalties like he was pp one pk one first line played more minutes you know that almost anyone well i think the it's a massive hold it will not be filled by one player that's not going to happen but i don't think that's the intention right now that's not the plan you bring in while you bring in a couple of other

forwards to spread things out you have a different feeling team and steven lorenz is back on a three-year deal 1.35 Pontus Holberg not qualified likely done in Toronto here's the guy you're gonna hear tomorrow morning 6 a.m. maybe not tomorrow I don't know because it's Canada Day probably not anyway good plug here's Carlo Kolyakvo hey Carlo how are you boys I am on tomorrow but not at 6 a.m. 7 a.m. beautiful that's great yes okay so we got first up tomorrow at 7 a.m. overdrive will be on tomorrow we're gonna be up on TSN at 11 a.m. 11 to 5

with free agent frenzy what do you make of Mitch Marner eight years 12 million per going to Vegas Nicholas walk coming back to the Leafs. Yeah, what are we going to talk about tomorrow? It's crazy. All the guys are gone. Look, I'm just glad it's over, guys. You know, all the drama leading up to this, you know, he's going to go to July 1st, he's going to go on all these tours, he's going to entertain different offers.

What's he going to make? You know, is he going to be the highest paid player in the league? I think if you're a Leaf fan today, you kind of feel relieved that it's over, and I think there's a lot of people that are upset at the way it ended. I mean... Upset about what, Coco? Well, upset at watching a really good player want to leave your organization. I think the common thing, and the common theme we've seen today

is aside from trades, we've seen a lot of guys return to their teams. Here we are in Toronto watching one of their top players leave out the door, apparently on his own choice, doing so. And it just makes you reflect. It makes you reflect, how did we get here? And you go back to the old management regime. I mean before they signed Tavares there was that big rumor deal on the table for Marner. It would have been eight times eight to keep him here on a long

term deal and the organization didn't want to do it. They let him play out a contract year and he goes out and earns himself a contract and it just seems like things since that point have been toxic for Mitch and I don't know why. The contract had a lot to do with it. Obviously the playoff performances had a lot to do with it but I think for a lot of people there's anger towards him leaving in some of the things people are saying about him but the way I look at it it's it's sad it's sad that the Maple Leafs are watching a player

that play his whole career here up until this point put up some amazing numbers and choose to play somewhere else when you look at the three players that played in Florida yeah okay they signed team friendly deals but they prioritize happiness because they wanted to be happy Clearly Mitch wasn't happy to stay. How do you think his legacy will be remembered? Like when you just when people talk in 10 years about Mitch Marner's time in Toronto, Coco, why do you think it will be characterized? Well, I think it should be characterized in a good way. I mean, this guy has played himself to the point where he's in the record books with this organization.

It seems simple, Coco, but you know how unrealistic people are. It seems like a stretch that it would be characterized that way. It's very unrealistic that people look back and say what I said about his career because immediately they'll think of the bad stuff with Mitch. You know, couldn't play in the playoffs, couldn't handle the pressure, you know. Well, those are real things. I love how it's like those are made up or something. No, they are real things, 100%. Pretty important things like how you played in the playoffs is probably how hands are gonna kind of scope their reputation you know and feel about a player haze i think for me

always appreciate mitch's a player cuz i love watching him play and i think most people should feel that way but match uh... you know you put the player in perspective how the player the one thing i didn't enjoy about mitch was the way he handled himself in front of a player. The one thing I didn't enjoy about Mitch was the way he handled himself in front of a mic. And I think that's what rubs people the wrong way about him because it just seemed like every time he had a mic in front of him, he was like, it was, he felt like people were attacking him. And I thought that was a very poor approach.

But, you know clearly he decided he wanted to be somewhere else and this goes back to last year when you know there was the thought of moving them and Vegas was the the place of choice and now it's confirmed the place of choice I look I I think you guys agree you loved watching Mitch. He was a great player. In the regular season. Outstanding player. Right? But here we are today. It's the start of a new chapter in Leafland.

So do you think after he leaves, like right now we were talking about there's some vitriol I think and you know people are on the fence of how they want to feel about this and you're laying it out Coco will time heal that or what basically if the team is better or does something different like well time heal the thought process on Mitch Marner when people look back on his legacy five ten years from now and go that guy was a hell of a player the huge part of a noodles is what happens in the future I think so I think in particular with the Leafs right if the Leafs right go either way I think it will help Marner in a weird way like if they crater people say we should have kept Mitch you know even people that are begging from the Leafs that will start immediately if they're awful it's what kind of an idiot

wanted Mitch Marner gone if they win it you know the people the relief will be so crazy here that everything will just be washed away it'll be whatever they want it's amazing everyone's welcome to have its is that the easiest way to compare that to look at the rafters and vince carter i mean the rafters with a championship and everybody wants to

you know forgive vince for what he did if the rafters didn't win the championship he wants to forgive Vince for what he did. If the Raptors didn't win the championship, would they feel the same way about Vince? I mean, they hung his jersey in the rafters a couple years ago. And I think the same could be said about Bitch. I mean, I don't think he's going to get probably the ovation he believes or most people believe he deserves when he comes back. I think it's gonna be Mean, I think it could really mean pretty mean. I think it could be pretty now Toronto's not wired that way generally But so it's not gonna be this is different days. I feel like this. Yeah about Coco

They'll be like boo in the first period we hate you with them in a third period that be cheering every time it touches the pot It's possible. I don't know what to predict in terms of his return now I do I'm curious how Marner's future factors into the way people feel about it too like if he goes to Vegas and wins a cons might then a score in game seven OT winners and that's not going to help him here in a weird way people say where was that exactly like And that won't matter to him. If he's doing it, he'll be like, I made the right choice. If you're Mitch Marner, all you're thinking is, I'm out, I'm as far away from Toronto

as I can get, I want to go win and set myself up and move on with my life. That's what Marner's going to be thinking, I'm sure. But in Toronto, it's going to be much more complicated with him and in large part because he's from here and it just yet and you're right i think your sentiment off the top co carlo is reasonable like just it's in the best interest to just rip the band-aid off and move move on move on it's over it's a different air on both sides of it

and let's see what the least can do but here in but he's back to what i said in the beginning, doesn't it sting even more watching all the players that are signing today with their own teams and say to yourself, Florida just found a way to keep the band together. Yeah, but Karko, why should this surprise you? He was never like, oh, let's run it back. We're going to win again. Like this was a completely, everybody knew run it back. We're gonna win again. Like this was a completely everybody knew this was coming

So doesn't that say more about the relationship between Mitch and the team? But that's specific to them though because like I I think it would be a bigger issue here if Tavares was like I'm out Of here and nice was like I'm begging for an offer sheet those two guys were dying to stay like this Steven Lorenz, you know Lorenz. I don't know what kind of market he had, but he was dying to remain on Maple Leaf. This is very specific to Mitch. And again, another reason why I think Leaf fans, you know, are going to be emotional about this because he's a, he's from here, he grew up a Leaf fan and now he's like, I got to get out. And by all accounts, he's been thinking that way for a while. Like Pete, no one's going gonna take lightly to that

but even if it's totally reasonable and justified and he could break down exactly why it happens this way the fans give a really you're dying to get out it's like a weird mentality that the fans didn't want to back but they wanted the lease to tell me can't come back right you know they wanted him begging to stay which is really kind

of dark in a way. But I don't know. Yeah. Well, from everything we know, the Leafs wanted him back. They tried to keep him here. It's what's hard to do something, Coco. And if he's deciding that he's walking at right to free agency or close to it then you know hey we'll trade you because we want to get a king's ransom for you and well no no i don't want to go anywhere right not until i'm a free agent okay well then you know we'll let you in the end i think it's frustrating from that standpoint from a business standpoint

if he knew he was moving on then why not any other time right like why not a Kings? Why wasn't this address last summer? Yeah, unless you want to stick it to the Leafs in a way Yeah, well yeah with with this scenario. It almost feels like he has Right okay, so what do you make of you know Nicholas wall coming here? And what you know tree living I think has done a really good job like on the Tavares contract I think on the Nyes contract they bring in Michelli who I don't know a lot of but they didn't pay much for him he's a skilled guy I think a lot of people are rightly pointing Shane Doane to him. Doane was in Arizona

obviously Michelli who's been there. Doane probably liked him I'm assuming and said go get him if you can but like what do you a really sorry now now that we know that marners out was in and what else they may have to do because there was a belief they were gonna go all in on bradmau re-shanning he just resign with florida with uh... an hour ago i think i'm optimistic about is that this team's gonna look different and i think that's what we've all clamored for right is? It's just doing something and looking different.

And I think right now with Marner gone, they're forced to look different. And I've always been hesitant on, you know, Marner leaving, and not just Marner leaving because I didn't want change. I was always hesitant on watching a player like that leave for nothing. want change. I was always hesitant on watching a player like that leave for nothing. So I think with the Leafs finding a way for him to agree to a sign and trade and getting back something, it's not the full value of what you would get from Arner, but it's something better than nothing. And I think Nicolas Wah, I mean you look at who he is as a player, what I like about what he brings to the Maple Leafs is he's a right-handed shot center iceman something they haven't really had or played with The last couple years so you're you're you're losing a player that brings a lot to bring it in a player that fits in a role and has a need to this team and like he's a guy that can score you 15 to 20 goals. He he's got a defined role where he can play a heavy game, sort of like how

Barube wants you to play. And he's some, he's going to find his role on this team, wherever that may be. And I think that's the important thing is here. If you're, if you can't replace Marner with the same player, you you gotta find a way to replace marter in other ways and i think that's what you're doing with bringing in was there a bringing back something is that losing for nothing and they're gonna find a role for him in their bottom six yeah and then we wait to see what else they're gonna do

you know it and that at this point you know manji apane's names been connected to them there they've got some money right they've got some money right they've got some now they spent some today they brought in wall he's or he's making what 3.9 or something like that mitchell he's making three and a half yeah like they've used up some of their caps based on those two players and we've been wanting in this city with the way the core fours been assembled is like hey just find a way to spread it out a little more well the reality is it's

like matthews and willie are making big money those those two combined making twenty five million but then everyone else is very reasonable you know like nice making seven and a half knots a decent ticket but i think he's worth that i think he's around that that number and if he's gonna play on the top line in first power play any kill some penalties then i i think he can bring that value everything else is gonna be pretty spread out

you know morgan riley's the highest paid defenseman always are making much money you said spread out haze isn't that the way craig ruby wants his team to be for a 19 now they gotta be the right players right you know like this i still think and it really is going to do more There's gonna be more contributions guys It's one thing to be spread out and not good

But if you're not getting production from anybody else should basically not even spread out right or the Panthers are spread out Appropriate. Yes, that's right I I think he's gonna use that money to continue to add to the depth of this team That's the biggest thing is is you're looking for upgrades on the positions you already have filled. And I keep harping on it. I still think that even though you like your D and they're locked up, if there's an upgrade out there and you've got cap space and you keep bringing up, obviously you need currency to trade for those players, not just waving your hand and saying, I've got cap space,

bring them over here. But you've got to be creative to continue to add to your group in any facets necessary. So if there's a D that you covet out there that, you know, I think the Leafs of if what are you gonna do with Rasmus Anderson in Calgary right like it I that's a guy that's gonna now I don't know if they have anything that they can pay for Rasmus Anderson because he's gonna get a King's ransom that's the problem right to to the Calgary Flames but you know you got to get creative like we didn't think all of a sudden Brandon Karlo just shows up you know like a brad tree living is uh... a good manager to be able to move things around to

to make things happen so i'd i'd i'd still think well i'm not going to what it's going to be the like it uh... defenseman account i'll grant you that and i would agree with that if you can get improve their go for it right like is tomorrow's the second line center yeah losses well that's what i'm saying though do you have to go find a second line center there

i guess so who's that going to be what much ellie's he can play both center and wing and i'm not sure he's not playing second line center though i don't know i think you got a lot in war and stars are second level air but they just they didn't qualify and so i i do with him i'd but again are you looking at are you waiting? I hear you're looking at a team that goes. You know what this isn't our year or we are gonna We are gonna part with player acts are you looking at Pittsburgh? Are you looking at I don't what's st Louis doing I can't figure out if st. Louis is buying or selling I you know there's whispers of

Kairos available, I mean, that's whispers of, Kyro's available. I mean, that's the only way you can do it, Jamie, because you're not doing it tomorrow. They're like, I would put my feet up tomorrow and turn my phone off. Well, unless you're making trade signing guys, right? Yeah. Who are you going to sign? That's going to be. Yeah, I don't think that I don't think that impact number two centerman is there for them

tomorrow on free agency to overspend on. No but can you nibble around the edges and fill out your team absolutely and still have lots of flexibility? A hundred percent. And then you start digging in and drilling down on teams and going, okay is player X available? But I, you know, and again I'm not going to throw names out there.

I don't know why I've always had Braden Shenn stuck in my head I don't think st. Louis would look at the least we're trying to get him by all accounts at the trade deadline But exactly they didn't wave and they made the playoffs and he had a great first round Yeah, but he's also he's a really good player was 33. You know like that's another thing like do you need some youth? Yeah, I know you know we're all getting excited about July 1st and the Maple Leafs looking different and trying to build out the rest of the roster, but do you really think any of that matters if they've got to go through Florida again?

Well, I mean, that's the thing, though. You can't just put your hand up and say, we're done. Like I hear what you're saying. No, I know. I know, but it's like... On paper, they're not going to be as good as Florida. The window looked like it was starting to open in the Atlantic the vision you know the leaves with the division

you know boston's going through rebuilds much rather better over the weekend shrugger better yeah and then you look at what moves you you want to make you think yourself okay but even though we make this moves are we better and can we beat florida in the playoffs yeah i mean as of now the answers no because the lease of not only the other day to do the season but man

i can't believe they found a way to bring all three guys back when bill zito said that after they won the championship i was like all my god disguise actually going to do it and he did it i think it is a really big it yet more shannon eckblad signing back in Florida today, Sam Bennett last week. All right, 7 a.m. first up. We'll catch you then. Thanks for doing this. Can't wait boys, see you tomorrow. There he is, Carlo Kolyakvov and he'll be a big part of free agent frenzy on TSN as well. Yeah and listen, you know, the Habs, they

acquire Noah Dobson, they're better, Claude Giroud back to Ottawa. You know the the Habs they they acquire no adopts and they're better clodgeroo back to Ottawa You know Ottawa is gonna do something. They're gonna be active. I think yeah, you keep hearing I mean there's like the interesting part and we can get into this when we come back is The Nikolai Ehlers the Brock Besters and that they're gonna add To an already good group. I don't know what that group is like what that team is But they are they're not gonna have to come in as ones to an already good group. I don't know what that group is, like what that team is, but they are, they're not gonna have to come in as ones. They can come in as a second line right winger,

that type of stuff. Like that's where the teams that are gonna either overpay or acquire them tomorrow or in the next couple days, that's where we'll see what Besser brings in, because it's not going back to Vancouver, so it looks like he's gonna have a fresh start Maybe if he wants eight or nine million to go into Chicago play with you know bedart Yeah, but maybe not maybe it is maybe it is Ottawa that looks at him or one of these teams

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when you bet baseball on the Fandel Sportsbook app. Please play responsibly 19-plus physically located in Ontario. Bo Bichette removed from the lineup. He was originally in it. Like he's got a knee discomfort, that's what they're calling it, so B but shets not playing tonight Yet sure is run amount his second start. What's he gonna have? I don't know But it's a big series four against the Yankees at home your three back of the Yankees Ross Atkins was speaking today and everything, you know, he's maybe out of bat We'll see what happens and but he seems pretty happy with his team and I think he probably should be Sure, is there a second go around go around tonight yeah let's see what the are you worried a bit

I don't know I mean I'm worried about the Yankees like the Yankees are obviously a very good team and they have not well they've allowed you know Tampa to catch them and the Blue Jays to catch them but they're still the Yankees and judge exactly I don't know Scherzer I guess give me the same outing you gave me five days ago I can live with that you know he looked pretty good five innings like you need him to go deep you can't have your starter blow up in the first game of a four game series like this you know they're in the midst of playing a lot of baseball here so you need them to give you innings tonight ideally matched with production but yeah we'll see what comes with Jays Yankees

tonight and yeah today's been crazy in the NHL man there were so many different things we never got into a lot of the NBA stuff Messiah Jury we didn't get to that on Friday we're gonna talk about it today MLSC and what they're doing in the future your boy Aldrich, what is it, Poltgeater or whatever? Hotgeater. Hotgeater. He ended up winning the Rocket Classic in Detroit.

There was a lot that came out of the weekend that we just didn't get to. Yeah, couldn't. Too much news. That's what it was. Sign and trade Marner, Florida bringing everyone back, Bouchard got signed. It was just a crazy day and let me just say this i wish mid-prime or nothing but the best

i'm not the guy that's just like i don't need to swing my i've had a great time looking over all of his clips and covering him on the on the panels of by wishing nothing but the best yeah all right yeah for the day of good for him good for you know i Good for him. Good for you. Everyone. Wish everyone. You don't echo that sentiment? Sure. Yes. Go ahead. Have a great career in

Vegas. Yeah. I think it was very reasonable the way people responded to him. I don't think he was a victim in Toronto or anything like that. I think the idea that that's being perpetuated is ridiculous in my opinion but great player was a great Leaf will be a great Vegas Gold Knight undoubtedly but that's sports that's life change happens doesn't mean it has to be bad for both sides maybe it's great for both sides that would be ideal Vegas Leafs Cup Final next year let's do it we're out of here thanks to everyone behind the scenes for helping out we appreciate it everyone for tuning in today TV radio podcast web we appreciate that we're out of here. Thanks to everyone behind the scenes for helping out. We appreciate it. Everyone for tuning in today.

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