OverDrive - OverDrive - June 4, 2026 - Hour 1 - Darren Dreger

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

Join Mark Roe, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joins to discuss Dylan Larkin requesting a trade, Peter Laviolette and Patrick Roy’s potential fit as Maple Leafs Head Coach. The guys discuss where Dylan Larkin could ultimately end up, and react to the NBA fan who stormed the court for a selfie with Victor Wembanyama.

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I hope not to ruin it. This is Mark Row in for Brian Hayes today alongside my two good buddies Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan. What's going on today? It's about time. We had a host with some class indignity. He's got a Barney suit on and you look fantastic and everything is great. I love having death row sit in the big chair because we all need a breather from you know who

once in a while. So death row, the voice of hockey and tennis at TSN, great to be here with you. you. The pleasure is all mine. I definitely made sure that I dressed for the occasion working with you too. And who knows, maybe we have breaking news today because Hayes is out. We got players already requesting trade. So who knows what we're going to have for the next two hours. Wow. I love it. The purple. It's, is that purple or is it like what's the, I was just having a conversation with Steph about it. And we, we decided lavender was probably the best way. Lavender. So let me guess something. I'm going to, I'm going to guess something. And then I'm

going to tell you something. Steph said she loved it. And what she rears the truth about it now, what she meant when she said that is she hates it. Okay. Biggest pony out of all of them. That's when, oh, hi. Oh, I love that guy.

I love him. Love the suit. Steph and I go back years, she would never lie to my face. That's fair. That's fair. but it does look great on you. I couldn't wear it because you have a better look than I do. I don't know about that.

It's awesome. You look great. We're feeling great, ready to rock. What do we got going today? Well, we got our hockey insider, Darren Dregor, which is a great day to have them on because Dylan Larkin has requested a trade out of Detroit. So we can get his thoughts on that. And on the Leafhead coaching search,

you guys talked about Patrick Wob maybe being in the mix. So looking forward to him. Peter Lavillette, his name has been, maybe he's calling you right now. But his name was sprinkled in a few rumors when it comes to the Leafs and Steve Phillips on the Blue Jays. So we got a jam-packed show guys. That's Dylan Larkin's stuff, I don't know. You hate to see it, but the way things are today with players that basically, I don't know, the guy's been there a long time and they just don't get to the promise.

They don't even get to the playoffs. So he's probably looking at it like, and I was talking with somebody, I think it was, it might have been strutty, where we were talking about Dylan Larkin, where he's one of those players where he's not necessarily a guy in the one spot that can get you to the playoffs. He's more suited probably to be backed up in it. There's got to be somebody on your team that's a better sentiment than him

if you're going to go anywhere. So I don't know if he's looking at that saying, I'm pulling a Dylan Larkin here, like a mini Kevin Durant, I got to go join somebody. But it also puts Detroit in a position where they're going to be thinking, what the hell are we going to do with this guy? We're not giving him away. We've got to get some return. And, like, what are they going to do with the center ice position?

It's just, I don't know. I don't like seeing guys do it because it's like, even if Hayes was here, he'd say, you're the captain, you stick it out with your team. But if it's just not working out, maybe, like, We've talked about Morgan Riley needing a change of scenery. Maybe this guy does too. Well, he's going to be 30 in July. This is a guy, you're right.

He's put in 11 years there. They've made the playoffs once. You know, there's probably a lot that goes into this decision. But, again, it might be a blessing in disguise for Detroit where they could continue to get younger. They've got some good young pieces there. They're close to being a playoff team. If you can trade him for somebody younger that can grow into that role, or a pick or a prospect or all that type of stuff,

you're trying to get better if you're Detroit Red Wings. Again, they fell short. Let's not forget, oh, that team, we've seen it every year, three years in a row. They were in first place in the Atlantic in January. They've been pulling a Maple Leafs, 18-wheeler. But three years in a row, they've done it. We run, Sam Cicorello puts up these amazing boards,

him and John Perlberg. When I do games, it was, it's Ottawa, Detroit, and we go, geez, look at what they've done. Look at where they were in January. Look at where they are now in end of March, early April. And it's been some big drop-off. So this might be a mutual thing. And I think Dylan Larkin's a really good player.

And you look at it, he's a 70-point guy, 30, you know, easily 30. He's got five years in a row of 30 goals. So, I mean, he's a 30-plus goal score, 70-point guy who can play either in the one role, the two role, you name it on depending the team. So I think it's, he's got value. It's just a matter what's Detroit going to ask for Dylan Larkin to come back? I would argue they need to get younger because they're, you know, they continue to grow and try to make the play.

I know you said they've been close, but they've collapsed. And it's almost like, you know, the way we've described any other sports organization on this show, they're rebuilding from a rebuild that hasn't done anything. Exactly. And that's a scary place to be for the fan base. Like if you brought up the idea of some kind of retool or rebuild, I'm sure any Detroit Red Wing fan would say, oh, so you're telling me we're rebuilding from the rebuild with no success.

And I guess sometimes crap happens, you know, and it just doesn't work out and they don't get in or whatever, but I don't know. That would be a crazy proposition. And I'm sure every Detroit Red Wings fan would say, well, this is crazy, but then they might sit back and think about it and say, well, they don't win anything. They don't get in the playoffs. So what the hell is the sense of going to go into bat with the same thing?

They have to do something this off season. Exactly. And that's where you're coming from, Roe, is when you don't have success, this is harsh to say, but you need a body on the tarmac. Somebody has to pay for it. Right? We saw it here in Toronto. It's tree. It's Burubi.

There's change coming with the players, all of that type of stuff. You need change. And Detroit, if they've chosen, if Stevie Eisenman's fine, if Todd McClellan's fine as a coach, whether it's Dylan Larkin or Detroit's saying we need to change, it might have been inevitable at some point because just what you pointed out, oh, they didn't make the playoffs. They've come close the last couple years and they've taken steps. Last year is we need a better goal to-ton.

And they went and got John Gibson and it looked great. for a while, but then the team fell off. And they've got a stud defenseman and sider. I think he was, we'll have to check, but I do believe he got Norris votes. Yeah, I believe I voted for him. Top five. You know, he's a hell of a player. That Raymond's a hell of a player.

They got De Brinkett, who's a 40 goal score there. They've got some pieces there. But, oh, you always say it. If it's not working, don't be shy to change things up. Well, whether they decided to do it or Dylan Larkin has decided. decided to do it. There's going to be change in Detroit and we'll see what they get for, you know, somebody of his caliber, put it that way. Well, that's the most intriguing part of this is we could have an old school trade here.

Like this isn't Larkin for three first round picks, right? Or a bunch of draft picks. Like this could be top player for top player. Yeah, I know. But that's no. The other guy coming the other way, everyone's got no moves and no trades. Like it's just not as simple as. No, fair. Like back in the old day, you're getting an old school hockey trade. But with no moves, no trades, and all that stuff, it's just everything is so much more complicated now.

For sure. It's not just like another team that has a good centerman they want to move away from. It's like, yeah, let's see if they want him for Dylan Larkin. I don't know, Jamie, I want you to give me an example of what the equivalent of a Dylan Larkin would be in the National Hockey League. Not even a guy that would be traded. I want to know what you think is his equal, his equivalent. Foof. On the fly, I'm trying to think here.

Like the guy made the Olympic team. Yeah, I mean, Sam Bennett, you know, different player, but type of where you would slot him, like a one, but a really good too. And Sam Bennett left a frustrating situation and went to a playoff contender and look where his career went. That's exactly right. That's what Dylan Larkin is hoping for. It's a bad comparison because they just don't compare players.

No, I think it's fantastic because I was trying to put my finger on what kind of player, and he's a great example. Would Florida ever do it? Probably not, but that's the type of player. But then again, it's very complicated nowadays with money and all the things that are attached to contracts. It's a complicated transaction. I look around the league, and there are teams that would fancy an upgrade, down the middle of the ice.

Of course. I'll give you an example. The Philadelphia Flyers. Like Philly down the middle of the ice right now on paper, it's Devorak, Zegras, Cates, Cotterier. Because Cotteria used to be higher up, but he's getting older now. Yeah, and I don't even think Zegras is a centerman. Yeah, he's more of a winger.

But, again, you look at it, who would, I don't know why, and I'd have to dig deeper into this, but I hear Owen Tippett's name being bandied about. You know, he's got, he's in year three of an eight-year deal at six million a year. I think he's a hell of a player. I don't know why Philly would want to part with him, but maybe they have to part with him to get something different or a different type of player or, you know, a different position. But I think of stuff like that.

Oh, there might be a hockey trade out there that wins for both organizations. You know, I don't know. Like, we'd have to take some time and dive into it. But it comes back to the original argument, Ro, what we're talking about is, 11 years, this guy's been to the playoffs once. So he's probably looking and going, I think I need to change the scenery, it's time, whatever. Detroit now has to work with him instead of just casting aside saying, we're trading you to X, Y, and Z.

It might be, I'm thinking, again, I'll look at the depth chart. You think Utah would take him? You know, somebody like that, and Utah's got a ton of young, good players. You know, like he's not going to Vancouver for Pedersen. Because he would just be going backwards. Well, he controls, remind me, or we should have doogie or whatever, look up on the fly. Does he have a no move? Does he control his destiny?

As O pointed out, you just assume at this point, that anyone who's, you know, any kind of player has a no-movement class. Right. So, I mean, I'll give you an example just where I'm looking on Puckpedia. Down the middle of the ice for Utah is Schmaltz, Cooley, Hayton, McBain. Like Schmaltz are a hell of a player. It makes eight millionaire good player. But could Dylan Larkin slide in there? And that Cooley's going to be a hell of it.

I think he's a star. Yeah, but guess who I guess who Detroit would want? They probably want Cooley, right? Something like that, yeah. Right. You've got an assignment before the end of the show since the fraud isn't here. Since the fraud isn't here, I want to, we're going to do a B listing segment, and I think I want you to give me the top five destinations for Dylan Larkin.

Can you do it by the end of the show? show. I mean, I, I, I, I, we'll, we'll dig into it because I'm off the top of my head, I'm thinking, but is Mason McTavish need a change of scenery in Anaheim who was a hell of a scratch? Hell of a player, 23, 24 years old, and Anaheim might be looking to add another veteran guy there, right, to help with that list, list any good team that needs another centerman. Montreal? Montreal would be, you know, a huge, huge, because they would, you know, what about Ottawa? You go Suzuki into, I don't think.

Ottawa's deep, but down the middle of the ice. I think unless you're moving a centerment out. Because if you look, regardless, I know, oh, you said that you think Stozzler's a winger. Even if Stozo goes to the winger, you've got Cousins, Pinto, Greg, into, you know, Lars Eller last year. But like that's... I think this guy's a good enough player, Jamie, where you would look at that and say, we can find a way to make this guy fit. I think he's a really good player.

Like, he's a big guy. He's not physical where he runs over people, but he's... He's just a big body that's kind of slashes and cuts. I like the physical element to his game. Like I said, not, like, running over people. He's just a big guy that can take it to the cage. He's got good hands around the net. Jamie just mentioned he's got 30 goals five years in a row.

Five years in a row and had another 32 goals season two years before that. Like, the guy's 30 in the bank no matter what. I think he's a hell of a player. But there's no shortage of teams that will throw their hand up. Joe from the bridge saying Minnesota. Yes, of course. There's teams that could use a guy, especially if he doesn't have to be your number one. Yes.

If he could be a 1A and you're going X player into Larkin into something else, you know who could use him, honestly? Like right off the top of my head, the Winnipeg Jets. Because that two-hole in Winnipeg, Jonathan Taze is going to go away, Adam Lowry in the three-hole, and you got Shifley in the one hole. And that would be, that would be for. permissible. That would be a pretty impressive one, two, three. But again, does he want to go to Winnipeg and what are you giving up to get him?

That's the, you know, these are the giant what-ifs, and I'm doing this on the fly, and not even looking at anything. So there's lots of opportunities. It was just good landing spots. You don't have to make the trade. So I think you're doing a pretty good job, noodles. Trying to figure out as we go on the fly. Like there's so many teams that, you know, I can see the Rangers putting up their hand

and saying, hey, we're going to move out Trocheck. man, like to have a Sabanajad into this guy, into Larkin. Like, you know, are the Rangers trying to do something here in the offseason or not? Like, I think there's so many teams that could put up their hand and say, I'd want Dylan Larkin. It's just the cost of doing business of what goes the other way. If you're the leaps, do you trade Matthew Nyes for Dylan Larkin? I don't know. Assuming he would go to Toronto.

Let's assume that. I'm still trying to figure out why Matthew Nise keeps coming out. Well, he's the tradable. He is. You're right. But, you know, a 23-year-old guy who could score 30. You know, what we're doing, we're talking about a 30-year-old guy who scores 30. Different position in that.

I don't know. I think the other thing is NICE has cost certainty at, what, 8? 8-and-a-quarter, something like that. Like, you're right. Nise has value. I don't even think it's that much, Jamie. I think it's 7-something. I don't know.

Well, Joe from the bridge will throw it in there in five seconds. But my point being is, I think. I think he's about $8 million, we'll call it, round up or round down. And he's on cost certainty, and we haven't even seen his prime yet, healthy prime. And so Nyes wouldn't be a guy, like he might be, he would be in the untouchables for me or close to it. Again, you've got to see what's coming back. If you are hell bent on retooling, you know, whatever, then, yeah, maybe it is Matthews into Lark and into something else. But I, into Tavares.

I just don't see it that way. I think Nyes, unless, okay, here's, I'm talking myself out of it. If McKenna's ready for that number one left spot, then you go, okay, maybe. But again, I don't move Nyes personally. I think he's a guy that you would keep, you know, for the value of your team. He's one of the guys that you could probably trust that he's going to be very good for a long time. Okay. 7.75 for Nile.

Okay, so you're right, oh, just, so we're calling it eight, just under eight. It's a pretty good clip for a guy who's probably going to get you 30 goals of, year. You know, 25 to 30. I don't think he's a 40-goal score, and I think, you know, he got 29 playing with Mitch Marner, who's an elite passer. So they got to get him the puck still. I know.

Well, I think that he had his moments last year. Obviously, it wasn't a great year for him. He still accumulated some points. But I think he's one of those wingers, and I was the exact same way. It's, I could shoot the puck, I could score goals, and it's almost like the, the better my centerman played, the more I benefited from it. So if Austin Matthews is dialed in 100% healthy and is the Austin Matthews of old, that just brings nyes up to a different level.

Like you throw me out there with some goon centerman. It's not, you're not getting the best version of myself, death row. No, no, you need the puck in favorable situations. And I think they never got into a groove last year outside of that. I think it's John Chica's job to round out that top six into where guys can complement each other. And I think that's, you know, that'll be his whole focus. If we are going to, you know, whatever we're doing, retooling and the mantra is to make the playoffs or try and be a playoff team next year, you've got to find somebody to play comfortably with Matthews and Nyes and or Nielander or, you know, figure out how your top six going to look.

I'm not going to lie to you guys. I'm just like Joe from the bridge. You're making up trades right now. No, no, no, no, no. It's worse, Jamie. It's worse. The blue and white disease is starting to infect me again. Because I was so frustrated and I'm like, God, this team, they're just,

and now as the time goes on, I'm kind of like, you know, maybe if they just freshen it up and do this and do that. Because I talked myself into, there's just no way in hell that they can add the pieces they need to be competitive. Yeah, you want like, you said like seven or eight players need to. No, Brucey Boudreau said that. And I tended to agree with them. I do too.

Yeah, it's just like death row. They need a total refresh. I don't disagree. And it's impossible to do, to get the quality impact players they need. They don't have the assets to do it. It's almost impossible. But I'm starting to get the blue and white disease back where I'm like, maybe it was just a one-off. Because you met McKenna.

Maybe it's because I. met McKenna. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I asked him if you wanted me to be his mentor, and he said absolutely not. So we'll see what happens. But I'm just starting to get positive.

I'm just starting to get positive. Well, there's lots of work to be done in the bottom six. And if you believe that Cowan is a top six, you know, you still have to give him time to grow. Same thing with McKenna. You can have a young left side. Keep in mind, you've got Cowan on the left side, Nyes on the left side. now McKenna would be on that left side.

And maybe you move them to the right or whatever. What are you doing with Nick Robertson? He's an RFA. Is he a guy that you believe as part of the plan? Are you going to move him or move away from him and try and find a different situation? Matthias Machelli needs a contract. Is he a guy that you covet to bring back or do you move past him? I think Chica might know him from the Arizona situation.

Maybe not. I'd have to check to see if they cross past. there, but at the end of the day, there's lots of decisions to be made outside of the Matthews Kneelander, where's Tavares going to play? I don't see if Tavares is going to be like he was last year, he can play second line minutes. I prefer if you're deeper that he plays in the second, third line type of thing. But there's lots of coming back to it, Roe, lots of decisions to be made. Lots, lots, lots. Yeah, he was, well, to see Tavaris on the wing with Team Canada at the World Championship, you start thinking maybe that's his future with the left.

I think so, too, because you might be able to hide him as father time chases the legs, right? A winger, oh, you could speak to this. You can hide a little bit more. Sanderman, you've got to play the full 200 feet. You've got to get down to the corner, help the D out. Winger, you've got to be responsible on the wall. So I think Tavares would be probably more effective on the wall as he gets older and his foot speed continues to decline a little bit.

He's never been a burner, but he knows how to get there and works hard, right? Jamie, I want you to give me some clarification on something. Death Row would like you to weigh in as well if you have any insight. How does a transaction go down if a player basically asked to be moved, and yet he himself has a no-movement clause? Like, how does that complication affect things? Like, is he basically giving the freedom to the organization to say, like, he's obviously not going to say,

trade me wherever the hell you want. Like, it's a very complicated thing where you say, I want out. But by the way, like, you've got to lose some right of picking and choosing, don't you, when that scenario arises? Yes. Yes. And that's the one thing. So if you decided that you wanted to be moved and you have a no move clause, what the

manager does is say, let's work together. And the manager and the agent, it's not the player. They're not saying. So do they say to the agent, you go get the deal done yourself? No, I think what the manager does is he, he's, he's, starts to test the market. This guy's available. See, this is the other thing, and we could talk to Dregs about this.

A lot of times managers and or players and agents will leak this stuff to insiders to get the marketplace going already. Because guess what we're doing 20 minutes into our show? We've been talking about Dylan Larkin. So all of a sudden, every manager, you know, who follows TSN, follows Sportsnet, follows all these things. Dylan Larkin is everywhere, has requested a trade out of Detroit. So guess what the managers do? They'll call Stevie Eisenman and say, you know, I can put together a package for him. What does it look like?

And the thing is, is Larkins Camp is going to control where they go, but you can't just go, I'm going to this spot and nowhere else, because you're going to jam up the team. You've got to give them three or four. He ain't good enough for that. Well, I think he's good enough to get a good haul back. I know, but he ain't good enough to say I'm only going here. Because they'll just tell the stuff.

Fair enough, but you're going to have an unhappy player. You've got to work together. So I come back to it, oh, I think you sort it out and go, three or four teams can put together a package. Let's see what this looks like. You'd be interested in the, and you say, hey, it's Utah, it's Minnesota, and it's name a team, you know, the New York Rangers. Any of those teams attractive because we've got good offers coming in from them,

and we'll work together to get this done. And I think that's what you look at. That's today's world. I think Dregs is a part of that, or as an insider, you're a part of that because the information comes out a lot of times through these guys, and now the stakes are on for Dylan Larkin. Yeah. I think it's scary times, to be honest with you. Like I said earlier, a player has the right to do this. Been in the organization a long time, not a lot of success, but it's like, you know, I just wonder what the league's going to look like in five to ten years where it's like teams that just aren't good, the good players are going to.

say get me the hell out of here you know players playing in canada get me the hell out of here like it's already kind of morphing into the haves and have knots a little bit where there's destinations to play where they're always good and i don't know i just wonder what it looks like it could be interesting oh you just brought up something interesting keep in mind dylan larkin is a captain of an american team right he's an american player so there might be a team i mentioned hey Like Winnipeg. What if Kevin Shevoldeoff calls him up and says, love to have him here.

But, you know, concern, this American guy who want to come to Canada right now. Wouldn't shock me if he said not a chance at hell on going to Canada. There's lots of different things, different factors with the climate and all of that type of stuff today. Point being, you have to weigh all of these in, and the player is going to be right in the middle of that, and the agent trying to sort that out.

By the end of the show, noodles, top five destinations for Dylan Larkin, You can carry the tradition. You can chat with death row and put together the list. And I want to see it by the end of the show. Be listing without Hazy B, it's going to be called. Right. I love it.

Okay, well, we'll grill Darren Drager when he joins us at 430 on Dylan Larkin, the Leaf's head coaching search. Peter Laubelet, speaking of the head coaching search, he's going to join us at 505. He's going to join us at 5.05. and his thoughts on stuff. We'll just leave it at that. Steve Phillips joins us at 530.

Here's the toughest part of filling in for Hayes. You're watching Overdrive on TSN5, the TSN app, your home speakers, live on YouTube, and I am making my debut on Crave once this show is going to. I love Crave. Yeah. You know how they name the episodes? This one's just called Death Row. Love it.

Yeah, love it. It's going to break records. You know it. So, for us, so. And I've been told, we're on TSN4 and 5, so I've already screwed it up. Anyways. Darren Dregor, our Hockey Insider will join us after the break. Overdrive, continuing.

Mark Row in for Brian Hayes alongside the old dog, Jeff O'Neill, and Jamie Nudles McClennon. Our Hockey Insider, Darren Dregal, will join us in a couple moments where lots to talk about as we prepare for game two of the Stanley Cup final tonight. We're all expecting, well, I think most of us are expecting at least a different looking game than game one. I know, noodles you are. It was a little harsh on the goaltenders in game one. I think bounce back performances from both of them. Yeah, I'd like to see.

I mean, I didn't think they had their A game, but they still made really good saves. And I didn't think there was bad goals, but again, any time you give up five and four, the goalies are going to look at it and say, how are we going to adjust here? That's the biggest thing. Simple as this, death row. You score four on home ice in the Stanley Cup playoffs, the finals. You should win the hockey game. We'll leave it at that.

Let's bring in our insider. Well, on that note, our Hockey Insider, Darren Dregor, now it joins us here on Overdrive. Dregs, how's it going? Anything going on right now in the hockey world? No, nothing at all. No, nothing going on. No disgruntled stars you want out of their city? Well, yeah, I mean, you're referring to Dylan Larkin of the Detroit Red Wigs.

And, you know, when you think of bombshells, that's as big a bomb shell as we're probably going to get. leading into the off-season post-downly cup. So I think there's need for a little bit of an explanation here. This has been in the works for a while. I think that's pretty obviously. You don't just wake up one morning as a top player and go, okay, I've been here 11 years, whatever it is, hasn't worked out. Time for a fresh start.

You mean like years in the making, Darren? No, years probably is a stretch-o dog, But again, you think of Dylan Larkin, I mean, you know, it feels like he was born and raised to play with the Detroit Red Wings, you know, obviously, right? Like, that's where he's from. So for Dylan to get to the place where he's requested a trade, that tells you that there's been a lot of thought. There's layering to all of this. I mean, the man has a family. And I don't think it's as cut and dried as him, you know, wanting an opportunity to win.

and he doesn't see that opportunity in Detroit. I think that's maybe where it starts, but then there are multiple layers that go beyond that. How did he get to this point? You know, did management do enough to insulate him to augment what they have, all of those things? And, you know, those are questions that I suppose Dylan is going to have to face if or when a trade actually happens.

But the information is legit. And I think that he and his representation, which is CAA, it's Pat Reeson and J.P. Berry in that group, are dismayed that the information got out in the fashion that it did, because when you're talking about a top-end guy like this, especially in a market like that, where, let's be honest, there aren't that many stars that play with the Detroit Red Wings. They're good players, but Dylan Larkin is kind of the one guy that stirred the drink.

We saw that when he got hurt this year. So I think they wanted to do their business beneath the play. public eye and underneath the surface and it just hasn't worked out that way. So, man, talk about a laundry list of teams that are going to be interested in this fella. You know, he can flat out play, so we'll see how it all plays out. Darren, can you explain the complexity of a player that wants out and also has a no movement clause? Like, how that works, just with, you know, where he wants to go, can go, where the team wants

how does that all come together? it is complex so you know your description is accurate um and again i think that's why maybe the player and his representatives would have preferred and not get out publicly because that way oh you can do your your work confidentially you can go to management it's not the first time this has happened say look it's time for a change um and so we're we're formally requesting trade. Here's the list of teams that we're interested in going to. So have at it. And that can get a little spicy too, right? I mean, the team doesn't have to automatically say, all right, well, we respect your trade request here. So we're going to do everything within our power to move you to,

you know, Minnesota seems to be the flavor of the afternoon based on social media speculation. And we can appreciate that Billy Aaron would have a ton of interest in Dylan Larkin, you know, great captain and all of those things. It does get a lot more complicated when it is now as public as it is. Because Steve Eisenman might be, next to Lou Amarillo when he was the general manager, the most private GM there is in the National Hockey League.

Nice man, see him in the hallways, the fancy hotels we stay at when there are general managers meetings, but he does not pull the curtain back. He does not. So this whole process is going to anger him and it's going to get complicated. So, Dregs, we were talking about before you came on, the process of how this would go down. And I kind of, you know, I may have spoke out of turn, but do you feel sometimes if the information gets leaked out, either to the insiders or media, all of that type of stuff, is that sometimes the way of testing the marketplace?

And, you know, I know agents would be pissed, all of that type of stuff, but you know how this information, it's almost like a trial balloon is like, okay, let's get the marketplace going here a little bit early on. Sure. Or would it be behind the scenes that every manager would know that he's available already? Maybe some would have known. I can tell you by the GM reaction to me, based on the news breaking this afternoon, they didn't know.

and these these would be managers who are in the market for that type of player like a centerman right like now you know Dylan Larkin's going to have a big say in what that market looks like we've already established that

yeah I honestly I'm not going to waste any time digging on and digging in on how the leak happened but as we've just talked about here do we honestly think that that information is coming out of the Detroit Red Wings organization? I don't. Like, I don't think so. I don't know anybody inside that organization

starting at the top with Steve Eisenman that wants that out there because he wants to either apply public pressure to Larkin or to see what the market actually is. And based on the reaction that I got from the Larkin camp, they don't seem too happy that the information is out there either. So there's a myriad of ways that this stuff gets reported. It happens on a daily basis. It just isn't as surprising as this one is, just based on the status of the player with the Red Wings organization. All right, so something to keep our eye on, something that we're all sort of monitoring day by day, and you came out with the report yesterday that the Maple Leafs have interviewed Peter Labielette and Patrick Waugh for their head coaching candidacy or vacancy right now. Patrick Waugh, obviously, there's a reaction there, given.

in his history as a player, his history as a coach, his connection with the Montreal, Canadians. What you know from this new management with the Maple Leafs, do you see him kind of aligned with their vision of where to take this Leafs organization? It's a great question, Mark. I don't think anybody really knows what the direction is, to be honest. And, I mean, by anyone, outside of John Chica and Matt Sundeen and, you know, the group that's intimately involved in this hiring process. You know, as Chica said when they fired Craig Barouba, you know, his media availability, the web was going to be wide, right? Like, they were going to kick all sorts of stones and look in every corner and make sure that they interviewed everybody.

Okay, so why wouldn't you, you know, have a conversation with Peter Laviolette? given his experience as a Stanley Cup champion, I would be intrigued by Patrick Watt. I mean, he wasn't the fit for the New York Islanders as they moved forward. They thought it was better that they go with Pete DeBore, who's got more experience in that sense. But, you know, Patrick was an intriguing guy. He certainly would get the juices flowing inside the division,

but we're looking at a couple of guys who are involved in a bigger process. And what I was reminded of earlier today by somebody who was involved is that they still don't have a timeline. You know, like Chikin Company, they're invested in what's going on this week at the draft combine in Buffalo, and then the draft isn't that far down the path. So even to establish when they want to have a head coach in place, they don't have a timeline for that. So that tells you that they're going through whatever their process is, as extensive as it is. And even, you know, like the follow-up interview with Patrick Gwa, with respect to everything that has gone on in the hockey world, I think Patrick Gwaugh told him, look, of course I'm interested in a second interview here, and that's likely going to be face-to-face. But he wants to get through all the Claude Lemieux funeral arrangements and everything that's gone on to saying goodbye to a good friend.

So there are lots of things that are factoring into this. So, Greg, David Carl has he only said no to the. the Maple Leafs or as he said no to the NHL altogether? Yeah, I think O to the NHL altogether, to be fair. And I don't know that it's a hard no. You know, David is, he's a bit elusive. You know, he's not campaigning. He is listening.

He is evaluating, but he doesn't have an agent. he's not campaigning to jump into the national hockey. What we know he's doing is what has been announced and reported on the last couple of days, and that's looking after player personnel with the Denver Pioneers. That's where his focus is, right? So it sure doesn't seem like it's likely that he's going to make that NHL move this year. But based on last couple of years, not just this year, the interest around David Carl, I think he's confident in his own coaching ability and future that he believes that the opportunity is going to be there when he and his family are ready.

And the opportunity, whether it's in a market that he approves of, closer to wherever he wants to call home financially, all of that, it's going to be there. It just doesn't seem like it's going to be this year. Drag, so I want to ask you about the Edmonton Orlers, because I find it fascinating that the information got out, however got out, that they wanted to interview Bruce Cassidy and they were denied by the Vegas Golden Knights.

And now I haven't heard anything about anyone else, maybe that they're interested in it, and maybe I'm just not, you know, I'm not close enough to the situation, but is this a situation where they're still hopeful that they eventually will get permission to interview Cassidy, or are they keeping things a little closer to the vest?

Well, both. I mean, it's I think they're absolutely hopeful that they'll get permission to get to Bruce Gassity. A bit of a risk, I would say. I haven't heard of who their plan B is. I believe that Peter Laviolet has been to do that process. I know that the Los Angeles Kings continue to do their due diligence on Lavee. We know that Stan Bowman and Jeff Jackson spent time with Craig Barube a couple of weeks ago in Toronto as part of their interview process.

But I think it's relatively quiet. on that front. So you start to wonder a little bit because, you know, the commissioner's availability with Deputy Commissioner Bill Daley, you know, Daley basically said pre-to-game one in the Stanley Cup final that they were comfortable with the position of the Vegas Golden Knights through the playoffs. But that kind of offered a hint that maybe the NHL gets back involved,

if they can legally. I don't know that they can. if they can, after the Stanley Cup is awarded. I mean, if you're in Vegas, you've taken this position at this point because you're trying to block two division rivals in Edmonton and L.A., why would you relent? Why would you back off after the Stanley Cup has been awarded? You know, if you don't want to coach against Bruce Cassidy in Edmonton or L.A.,

you have them under contract for another year. So, you know, unless the NHL is, back-channeled and given the Oilers and potentially the LA Kings more information than we have, then I think it's a risky game that the Oilers are playing. I do believe that Edmonton, whatever direction they're going, whether it's Lavie or it's Jay Woodcroft or somebody else, it does seem like L.A. is closer to naming a head coach perhaps as early as midweek or late of next week. So that tells me that the LA Kings aren't going to wait around for Bruce Cassidy. Just quick on the Cassidy situation.

You know, we know how Vegas does business. They play for keeps, all of that type of stuff. But, you know, would that affect any type of potential coach that they ever wanted in the future? It goes, hey, you fire me and you're going to make me sit on the sidelines like we did. We saw with Butch. Yeah. In my noodles, so I guess what I'd like to know more about, and this kind of stuff we don't know about, is how does one coach contract vary from another coach contract?

And will there be a standardized coaching contract at some point moving forward? We know there's a coach association, and I think it's a healthy thing for NHL coaches, but if you don't have a standardized contract, that is the same in one market as compared to the next, as compared to the next, and the NHL isn't going to get involved to manage that sort of process, then what are you left with, right? I mean, if Bruce Cassidy had a way to get out of his contract, but he said it. He said it publicly. If he could resign and forfeit the $4.5 million, whatever it is in the remainder of his contract,

he would do that. Well, what else is left for him to do? Nothing. You know, he's contractually bound. So, I mean, it depends on the coach we're talking. about here. Do you want to go to a place where you think you can coach a team to the Stanley Cup final and you're getting four plus million dollars on a multiple year deal to do that? I think I'd be willing to sign up. And, you know, the consequence is that in the final year

of my deal, I get gasped because my team isn't responding, but I'm still getting four and a half. I may not like that they're blocking my path from coaching the team I want to coach, but I'm still getting paid and contractually I'm obligated to to stand the ground so I'm not so sure it's going to impact Vegas negatively moving forward. Gregs, you just mentioned Betman. How long do you think he talked about a succession plan, succession plan? How long do you think of Uncle Jerry is going to stick around for? I mean, I chuckled, not because of the question.

No, I chuckled for a couple of reasons. his uncle Jerry makes me giggle every time they hear it. But there was an incident, and I use that term appropriately, this going back a few years ago at a board of governors' meetings, where Pierre LeBron felt like he had a big scoop, and that Jerry, Gary Batman, that was a slip right there. He was about to present to his owners that succession, plan. Like, here's what we're going to do. It's going to be, my, my suggestion is Bill

Daily, blah, blah, blah, whatever it was. And, and so, Pierre, I mean, he's a pro. He, he talked to Bettman multiple times over the course of that two, three day meeting span, to a point where Bettman was getting sour with him. He was getting surly. And he was like, do not report this. Do not say this. You will make yourself look foolish. But, I mean, let's be honest, you know, given everything that Commissioner Bettman, is done, the billions of dollars he's brought to the league and to the owners, the AG's at, you know, he's got, you know, a flock of grandchildren, all of those things, you know, and big business, corporations do this all the time.

You have to have, you know, a corporate succession plan in place. So, I don't know. What does he have? A year or two, three years left? I'm not going to be the guy that pinpoint's that, because he's going to be in that office for as long as he wants to be. All right. Well, next time we have Pierre on, we'll have to ask him about that story. Yeah. Anyways, lots to talk about it this time of the year, Dregs. We appreciate you coming on.

Gay, fellows. Have a good night. There we have it. Our hockey insider, Darren Dregor, on the latest of Dylan Larkin, potentially being traded. At least wants to be traded outside of the Detroit Red Wings organization. Who's going to be the next coach of the Maple Leafs? and the postseason continuing with the Stanley Cup final. We're going to take another break. Still to come, Peter Leveolette. It's going to kick off the 5 o'clock hour plus our baseball insider,

Steve Phillips at 530s. Overdrive continues on TSN 4, 5, the TSNF, your home speakers, live on YouTube, and soon on Crave. Overdrive, continuing Mark Rowan for Brian Hayes alongside Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McClennan, and it was the New York Knicks, getting a real big, important win on the road to kick off the NBA finals. Teams that win game one of the NBA finals win the series 70% of the time.

But that's all a moot point because of the headline of a fan running onto the court, taking a selfie with Wembe, getting arrested, and now being banned from all NBA games for the rest of his life, as we're showing it now on TSN 4 and 5. Yeah, it was a weird, weird setup, man. I was watching that live. I was watching that live because the play stop and like, is that? what's going on? Is that somebody on the court? When the cop with the cowboy hat comes out, that's when I started to worry.

That guy ran on the field and he's banned for life. All the videos of all the stupid people at football games anywhere fighting should be banned from any sporting event for life. I don't know how they could monitor that. This guy's probably going to end up going to a sporting event. It's a good point. How does the NFL react? That guy could go to the- That guy shouldn't be allowed to go anywhere.

But the people that are fighting and doing stupid stuff at these events, like you see these people videotaping fights. Banned from sporting events, but there's no way to police it. I wouldn't think. I know. He got easy because usually the streakers in an NFL game, they get hit hard. Well, I like to see. Exactly.

Like, they should be tackled and tased and all of that stuff, you know. But instead, like, this guy got, the guy with a cowboy hat could have been serious. But you're right. Like if that guy tunes him up or, you know, does a little bit worse, then it's not good. But it's dangerous for everybody, the guy running on there like that. I don't like it. All right. Coming up to kick off the 5 o'clock hour, Pilar Lavell.

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