OverDrive - OverDrive - March 11th, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Frank Corrado and Jonas Siegel for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Analyst Mike Johnson joins to discuss Mitch Marner playing through the contract buzz in Toronto, Auston Matthews' offensive production and Chris Tanev's importance to the team. The guys go around the sports world in the latest edition of Confirm or Deny and the Maple Leafs' victory against the Utah Hockey Club.

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Mike Johnson, our TSN hockey analyst coming up in a moment uh... steve phillips later this afternoon as well on mac sure sir being skipped the start uh... on thursday due to some soreness in his farm garrick cold done for the year tommy john well the yankees recover from that and uh... so tough injury news day in sports because just prior to us coming on the air

Tiger Woods issued a statement that he underwent surgery this morning to repair a ruptured Achilles tendon And it's over. I have to think that's the last time we even contemplate the idea of Tiger Woods playing on the PGA Tour again I mean this this is a sick for the guy, but like, how do you recover from all this Frank? Like the guy, it's such a serious injury too. It'll be 50 at the end of the year. I mean, come on. And they said, you know, minimally invasive, but like, we know what this is. It's another surgery. It's a delicate area. And every year we get the video of Tiger swinging the club at the range and that's fine. but this guy cannot get around the course. And it's like, as much as the playing ability is not what it used to be, if he can't get around and he's having another surgery,

like I just, we're done seeing Tiger. We're not going to see him. Yeah, unfortunately I think that's it. And we've said that before and maybe it was some hyperbole or getting to a point where it's somewhat exhausting, constantly talking with the comebacks and where he's at. And I love the idea of Tiger Woods playing golf. I want to see him play golf. I don't expect him to win anything. He's never going to win anything again on the PGA Tour or in terms of majors. I think that's pretty clear cut.

But this is pretty significant. You rupture an Achilles. I don't know what that means, minimally invasive. That seems like an oxymoron, doesn't it, Jonas? It's surgery, man. It's not a big deal. Yeah, it's nothing. But hey, let me ask you, I don't know, Frankie, are you a huge golf fan as well? Yes. Okay, so let me ask you guys, is any part of you sad watching him guys, does any, like is any part of you sad like watching him these last few years like or is it still like a happy experience? Because like I could just imagine. Watching Tiger? Yeah like sad. It's a hundred percent sad. Yeah I look forward to it if he is playing the

rare occasion I want to watch him but it's like I almost feel like I'm hurt watching it you know what I mean like I want to enjoy it the same way that I used to enjoy watching Tiger and I'm watching him not play the way that he would have been accustomed to play I don't get the feeling that I used to get watching Tigers like this vicious circle where you're watching for the intrigue of it but you're almost not watching and getting the enjoyment that used used to get watching this guy. Yeah, and he's different.

There's certain athletes that are just different because you have these memories of them being larger than life and iconic and unbeatable and unbreakable. But the truth is with Tiger, this has been going on for a long time. Yes. He won that 2008 US Open on one leg. That's 17 years ago. His personal life fell apart 16 years ago. He was dealing with a lot of injuries prior to that.

He has not been at the top of his game in almost 20 years. It was really from like 97 through 0 all five or six i guess up to a way that i think you gotta go ninety seven throw away where where the guy nothing could touch it we've never seen anything like it and then he made returns and he did win a multiple tournaments and he competed in a bunch of tournaments anyone the masters in twenty nineteen which was incredible that was six years ago

well like that six years ago when he made that it kind of miraculous sunday charge of the leaderboard was incredible that was six years ago well because six years ago when he made that kind of miraculous sunday charge of the leaderboard was incredible to see it gives you the glimmer of hope right that twenty nineteen always gives you or it did anyways that like it's in there he's just got to be healthy because he can do it he just you know for whatever reason can't get around but like that's that that's been a little dated down and then it's that's really difficult it was and can't get around but like that's been that's been eliminated too much man. It's really difficult.

There was you know it was difficult to watch Brett Favre at the end. It was difficult to watch Peyton Manning even Tom Brady like that last year they kind of snuck into the playoffs. Remember they got beat up in the playoffs by Dallas I think it was and he just looked off and old and slow and you're like man just get out of here like leave the game. I think we're getting there with Djokovic here. Like Djokovic is getting injured a lot and it's like, is he gonna leave matches?

Is he gonna make it? I don't think he's quite there. I think Djokovic, if healthy, can still be competitive but he's not a young guy and it's gonna get there. It was like that with Federer by the end. You're like, you can't, you're not gonna win anymore. Like he's just, he's lost some speed. He's lost some quickness.

He's lost the aura. And with Tiger, you know, it felt like he kept wanting to go He's lost some speed, he's lost some quickness, he's lost the aura. With Tiger, it felt like he kept wanting to go and wanting to compete and you held him to the standard of his prime, which is completely unfair. It was never going to happen. Training very different than the average golfer. He was doing stuff that no one else was doing, so the wear and tear was not just schedule and golf related it

was the fact that this guy was you know bang and steal in the gym and doing the the Navy SEAL workouts and no one was thinking of doing that stuff. No one was doing what he was doing man. Guys were out there you know looking like Ian Woosman and you know Craig Stadler guys were hitting drivers 240 and this guy came in and just completely revolutionized the sport and he still holds such a massive place in it where they're trying to broker a deal between the PGA and Liv and he's at the forefront of that. Now it almost feels like this is going to be it where he's never going to completely

retire. I don't think it's in his nature. I don't think it will happen. He'll try to grind it back and battle back it who knows maybe he makes it to the masters next year at fifty in place and makes the cut it's amazing and i'm pulling for my hope that happens he's it's been ceremonial for at least four or five years now

like where it's just he's he's more of an ambassador to the sport he's still an important piece you know he's more of an ambassador to the sport. He's still an important piece. You know, he's launched his clothing line, which that Carl Phillips kid who just won, he's a Sunday red guy. Like that's going to be the next wave. Guys on tour wearing his stuff and wearing his clothes and, you know, he's still the face of Taylor made in many ways. And they got Scheffler and McElroy and Morikawa.

They got all these great players players Brooks Henderson and Nelly and you watch tailor-made commercials and stuff it's still Tiger and I think that'll be the way he's gonna operate forever. Always. Always gonna be an icon. Because I want to play with Tigers playing like that's never gonna stop. And think about how competitive the sport is now like are we gonna have another Tiger? Scheffler is as close as it gets but it's still not the run that Tiger had when he was in his prime.

It's nothing could ever match it, man. Like the guy was the number one player in the world for how long? A decade or something? Like it was untouched. And now he's had this Achilles surgery and you really do have to wonder if you're going to see him play again. If you do, what's it going to look like and when he could possibly return. But the Masters is in less than a month and he will not be there. Clearly, that's not going to see him play again if you do, what's it going to look like and when he could possibly return. But the Masters is in less than a month and he will not be there.

Clearly, that's not going to happen. I'm not even sure he shows up for the Champions' Dinner. Is he even around? I'm not even sure he'll be there. Here's Mike Johnson, our TSN hockey analyst, joining us here on the Maple Toyota Hotline. What's happening? Johnny? What's up, boys?

Now, the question is is quick Jerry's percentages haze to you. Yes. What is the Jerry's percentages that Tiger plays a somewhat regular schedule on the senior PGA tour? That is a great question because it 10 years ago he was too cool for that right it. It was like, I'm not doing that. Yeah. I'm not going no chance as he's aged and as he has become more and more disconnected with the younger players. I think he actually has been kind of pining for getting out there and playing with Ernie yells and stricker and all these guys, I actually think there's a chance that happens, Johnny, because of his business obligations, because of what he represents to the sport,

his clothing line and all that. I'll say 25% that he plays four or five events a year on that tour. I could see that. I could see that still being the case. And I would've said 0% a decade ago. I would've said 0%, no chance he'd ever do that but he's different now he's in a different world now

in a competitive fire he probably wants to play against some of the guys he's got some scar tissue up against like oh you remember me i beat you all the time right now like these young guys you don't have that and he probably wants to play some sixty seven hundred yard courses which would be much nicer for his body as well so they allow you to take a cart why know i know but will he do it like is it a pride thing for him i bet he doesn't i bet he doesn't have i think part of

his whole thing about golf with the made it physical but i could one of the bad did you want that he was a better athlete he was in better shape he was stronger and uh... i think i i I think I don't know if it's a good question Frank I mean he was there's by that Casey Martin remember him who had the disease that had to take the cart on the PGA Tour and that was

controversial I just don't think he goes there he's like if I'm not good enough to walk I'm not gonna be good enough to play yeah yeah I could see him trying to be committed to that certainly you know early into his tenure on that tour. We got a big one tonight, Florida, Boston, where Marshawn was dancing around in the morning skate today and speaking with the media. I don't know when we're going to see him. I don't know if you've heard anything, MJ, in terms of what his timeline is, but he's certainly not close to a return. Do you expect that when he does return like what do you think this is going to look for what are we what should we be

preparing ourselves for if we if we make the assumption that Marshann will play in the playoffs and Matthew Kachuk will play in the playoffs for Florida it's gonna be just another bit of depth for them I mean if you look at their first line I don't know if he plays in the first line with Verhege and Kichuk and Barkov and if the second line has got Bennett and Reinhart and Rodriguez. I think he's basically an in and out guy. Rodriguez and him will flip and flop between the third line and the second line, but he'll bring the energy, the attitude, the experience.

And I think as much as anything Hayes, I would think that Florida, as good as they are and all that they've accomplished, they don't need anything, but having a jolt of adrenaline and energy and personality into a group that's been in the final two years in a row. They've been through the grind, and they've been through some injuries,

and they're in a very good spot still. But maybe just bringing that to the mix late and on to the playoffs would also be sort of energizing for the group I mean he's gonna be still what did he have 50 points it's not like he's not a very good player still he might not be a hundred point guy he might be a 65 68 point guy that's still really really good I'd expected to play a pretty significant role and his experience in big moments. He's got lots of success in those times and I expect him to channel that as he goes on in Florida.

Alright, Johnny. We know the Leafs need Chris Tanev, especially come playoff time. You're going to play Florida, you're going to play Tampa. You're not getting through anyone without him. But the way they're playing right now, as leaky defensively, is that a Tanev thing, is that a team thing, should they be able to get by right now playing teams like Utah without Chris Tanev having a three goal lead? How does that whole dynamic play out for you right now? So if this is all Chris Tanev, then Tanev is woefully underpaid, Frankie. Right.

Norris. Give him the Norris. If he's the one that brings it all together, he's the horse. Forget the Norris, he's the horse. Exactly. Yes, of course, they should be able to be better defensively. Again, nobody wants to hear this, but I am somewhat sympathetic to their schedule has been grueling,

gruesome road schedule. And I think the idea of them being a little bit fatigued mentally, a little bit fatigued physically, played into some not great games against Vegas, Colorado, even Utah. So yeah, I think get home. What's the other thing to do against Florida? utah so yeah i think get home with the video gets Florida there two days reset massive game at home

full building we got it on thursday night we're doing the game and we'll take a look what they look like their can have or not uh... i will say this frankie for all my suggested that carlo would be a good fit for morgan riley not yet not yet not yet at some point it has been quite coalesced

the way they you know and like both him a lot in both art sort of try to figure it out on the fly and getting stuck in in between a few of your breakdown the you know when to go when not to go when to check when not to but uh... they are you better they had been way better defensively but that's not even a TANF thing.

And I think this is one of the sort of misnomers about the Leafs this year. For the first 20 games, they were unquestionably a much better defensive team than what we have seen in years past. Much better. All the underlying numbers, including goals goals against were way down the last 40 games they're not that they're almost what they were in years past they just don't score as much they're down to like 2022 in a lot of the defensive numbers chances expect the goals all the other stuff that you love to hear about they haven't been a good defensive team for months. Not since 10 have gone out, but since like December 1st. So that is sort of the greater concern. Can they refocus, re-tighten things up like they did the first 20?

That's what I'll be looking for the last 20 games of the season because if not, they're going to be in tough especially if they don't win the division. Well so Mike they are 26th in expected goals since January 1st which leads me to asking you about Stanley Cup odds. So Dom, one of the guys who writes for the athletic, did this breakdown of all the Cup contenders and their chances and he had the Leafs at 8% to win the Cup. Does that sound right to high to low and i'll tell you on the floor is at fifteen percent if that what when when when with the vertical written today today given where the standing there today

uh... it seemed like a problem percent sound even well i mean the way i look at the league this year is that there are three came here in the in the atlantic there are probably two teams in the metro there are three teams in the central

and there are probably two teams the pacific without up to about the ten teams ten teams that the win the cop this year i think at the boat right and so you have some proportional, and I don't know, there's some that are a bit better,

some that are a bit worse, and maybe the Leafs are a bit worse. So, you know, eight is probably, you can say it should be six, you can say it should be nine, whatever. That's around the ballpark because they're one of the teams. Now I wouldn't say one of the first four teams, but they're one of the 10 teams that would have a chance.

I think if they don't win their division that number goes to it if they win that division and yet to avoid the florida matchup that number goes to thirteen they got a pretty big swing five point each way based on how they do in the division yet i think that's that's very reasonable. I don't know. It's so difficult to predict at this point based on injuries, based on how people are

playing. Again, I think a lot of the conversation on the lease right now is projecting whether or not certain guys are going to snap out of some of the issues that they're having. I would look at Auston Matthews at the forefront of that but what is one player worth the percentage to percentage you know like what is he worth if he's playing like he did last year when he's rocket because i i don't know that's baked in i guess you'd have to when you like if you're getting austin matthews who's blending in the games yeah that's a problem well hazy that's a big problem the model as i understand it

includes past seasons. So it's not really taking into account what he totally is this year, if I'm understanding it correctly. Well, then I'm not sure what this practice is worth at all. Like, what does that even mean? I think it's weighted more to this year while also factoring in previous years. I think how it works. But the point remains, the point remains, you can talk about Tanev, goaltenders obviously have to be excellent. This is the reality of when you are the highest paid player in the world, you got to be one of the best players in the world. That's the responsibility, that's the burden. That's the opportunity, whatever you want to call it. That's the reality

And I'll have to Matthews knows that and he hasn't been the best player in the world this year now 100% His start of a season was health related and I don't know where his health is that now I don't know be still managing like he's still exceptional right 40 goals 90 points crazy that that's him somewhat somewhat debilitated but in the playoffs you know a guy who's one of the better players but can't really dominate his five-on-five matchup is not the singular focus of the other team and it still doesn't matter because he's that good that's the guy that leaves me that That's how this game is built.

They're not built to say, well, our our I mean, Scott Lawson here now, but like, you know, our depth guys will get it done. We just need to solve the top guys. That's not how this works in Toronto. Their top guys win them games. We'll have to win them seriously. Set it for years. And I don't know if he feels pressure or not, but

and maybe there's no pressure, Hayes a if he is in fact hurt and the organization would know all his back is tweaked any you know we're dealing with every day he don't look the same he just doesn't look at dynamic still excellent but not the best for the world actually just one of the good players in the world and the lead in the party that better not to go as far as they want the

blasts and like the fact that mitch mart be a bit better than that to go as far as they want in the playoffs. The fact that Mitch Marner has had the season that he's had while Matthews is having, it has to be called a down year. It is. Factually, statistically, it is a down year. But the fact that Mitch Marner is having this type of season with the contract looming, we haven't talked about it a lot. Obviously, we've talked about it a lot obviously we've talked about it recently I guess like what does that do for Marner considering everything that has gone on

around him like he's just been so focused and it's gone so well for him the entire time and now he's playing you know some of his best hockey you look to these top guys to get you over the hump in the playoffs and like Marner would be the candidate that you're looking to now to be like you are the guy because the guy that's supposed to be the guy, he's not quite 100%. Yeah, I mean, I think if you were to ask Mitch, you would probably feel that he's that guy, not necessarily I'm better than Austin, but like you should look at me like you look at him. I think that's how Mitch Marner sees himself in his game. And he has that confidence about him now. Does

he carry himself with a little bit more belief given the year he's had, the production when Matthews is out, the four nations situation, like all of that should help make him feel great. And just as an aside, I'm sure you guys have dealt with it a lot is. Like is anyone mad at Mitch Marner for not allowing himself to get traded? Is that a problem with people do you think? I get it, people might judge him if he leaves, but he invoked a right that was his that he earned. If you're mad at anyone, be mad at the person who gave him a no move clause. Don't be mad at the guy who says, I don't want to move, my wife's pregnant, I like playing

here and I want to go to the playoffs here. So I just thought the sort of consternation and the fact that Mitch like it's not a distraction not to him The contracts been out there the whole year for Mitch Marner. Has it been a distraction Frank? He just alluded to it not at all. He's been incredibly consistent and blocking it all out So this isn't gonna bother him. It might have bothered him Right in the moment. It might have bothered him when he was asked about after game in Colorado But it's not gonna linger because he knows whatever he wants to do in his head he just keeps playing well as he has all year

wherever his head's been at all year keep it in the same place it's been incredible but I was just thinking I you know I'm hearing different people sort of ranting and railing how can you not trade them they were gonna hate them do people hate Matt Sundin hey do you hate matt sunday for not allowing for not allowing them to be traded out of charlie darsie tucker or bryan mccabe or any of those moscow co-five guys who didn't allow them felt to get traded out of toronto i had to add that he's on the reasonable

that you would dislike players for invoking a right to be a bird especially a guy who's having the best year of his career and the best part of the team this year well the the context is different as you know i mean that those guys were being pushed out because they were waiting there were going to play us and people wanted to turnover the page and get assets and rebuild and all that kind of stuff

this is a different scenario and where people are i think sensitive to this is that they can't put their finger on whether or not Marner wants to be here long term and that's that's the difference Matt's wanted to be here so you could hate on and all all you want be like man Matt's just doesn't ever want to leave and Darcy doesn't want to leave and Brian McCabe doesn't want to leave I think where this is getting it could get ugly is if it turns out Marner walks and then at the end he goes

I knew the whole time I was leaving like I had committed to getting through the season and then I wanted to play somewhere else. That's when it's gonna get ugly but right now to your point he they negotiated with him he wants to be here right now he's playing great the team's in a very good spot you mentioned his wife like they're they're expecting I believe in the next few months Yes life-changing personal stuff. Yeah, he's not uprooting his life to go to Carolina, you know for sick That's not reasonable. It's not gonna happen No kidding, but also Hayes if he goes somewhere similar to like Ranton did, go to Carolina and all of a sudden you got one point in your first seven games, what does that do?

There's just a little bit of a thought in the back of people's minds like, it might not work in this situation. It worked really well in Toronto. It's not much, but it could cost a little bit at least and that's somewhat significant for Marner in the grand scheme of things. In terms of his leverage youages and in the contract you have a serious use i think whatever like there's a zero-champ any one of us for any reason

would wait to get traded to go somewhere and then not have extension waiting for a photo got a little carolina he got a lot of in your fact of the day get their product or not you get a number you want in the spot you want about proving himself anymore and if you want about prove it that he's not going somewhere the rental you know that we're going to be a rental in toronto if you want to leave so bad and he said before the season at the least wanted him so bad on a contract

they should have signed on july second they could have done last summer i understand why they didn't i'm not saying they should have but you can't be like we don't want to find a lot of summer i understand why they didn't i'm not saying they should have but you can't be like we don't want to find a lot of summer when i want to find a good you're playing really well now what you've got a lot that window mitch martin i don't want to talk about it during the season sort of a plot because i could never have done that about the plan like i

want to talk about it anytime you're gonna give me a hundred million dollars that's why i want to talk about it so i don't know if they will given me a call and week my fault will be on but he's just holding true to talk about it. Whenever that's on the table, give me a call and my phone will be on But he's just holding true to what he has said all year long focus on this year I'm not gonna do the contract till it's over I'm here to try to win with the May police that feels like a Decent response for anyone especially when you back it up with the game on the ice I guess the only thing like it

Whipping boy and it's so people are so quick to turn on him and I get it Hey that he leaves and says I never wanted To stay people can react that way but right now today I don't think people should be that set it should probably be happy a guy wants to stay here and win here I think part of the problem though Mike is the messaging has not been clear as that like it has not they have not come out And said exactly that like I'm not negotiating in the season What I'm kind of surprised by in all this and Hayes and I talked about it yesterday I think it was is why the Leafs are so desperate to sign him like why because we had kind of assumed like

maybe you want to see what the playoffs are are you surprised that they are so eager to get this done or not he's just a great player they just have to keep him I mean I think more the latter than the former, but I think we were all sort of the mind that it's okay if they wait, because if he wants to stay here, then he'll stay here. And he'll stay here because they've had success. And if he doesn't stay, then I get the idea of ranting about there and you can extend him. That's a pretty unique situation.

But perhaps if he goes, it forces the Leafs hand to change anyways. If they lose early in the first round and it doesn't go well and Mitch Marner decides to walk, that in some ways will force the hand of what the Leafs probably should do anyways, which is change the group that hasn't really gotten it done. Now if they do well and he does well, they can still change the group because John Tavar is in 11 million bucks are also off the books he may come back but they have two massive pieces there that have flexibility in a rising cap environment to go do some other things if he decides to leave so I am a little surprised because if you're the Leafs the number is not going to change. Mitch Marner,

whatever, let's say he wants 13 million dollars. Let's just say for argument's sake. If he has three points in a seven game first round loss or nine points in a seven game first round loss, I would almost guarantee that number is not going to change. Like you're not going to get a discount because he plays poorly and he probably won't even eat. I doubt he asked for a premium if he does well like the numbers the number he thinks he deserves and that probably won't change the least know that I The only fear I guess now is as it's gotten closer. He's done so well Well, maybe we want him back and we don't get to get him back and maybe that's the certainty they want

But I don't mind them having an opportunity Whether it's of their own making or it's Mitch Marner's making because he leaves somewhere if it doesn't go well then they get to change the team anyways and that's maybe something they should probably think about regardless. That always should have been the case. That's what's staggering about this. But now okay so if Mitch Marner leaves in the offseason you didn't have a chance to trade him and here in that right you have to look at it like you're signing UFAs, which is great to go out and say you got all this money to go out and sign.

Who are you signing that's doing what Mitch Marner does in the regular season? Like are you going to bring in Brock Besser and... But Frankie, you could bring in multiple pieces, so maybe you have two $6 million players instead of one. Sure, it's always good in theory until you can't get EELers and you can't get Besser and you can't get Bennett and you're looking at it saying well What do we do now like Mitch Marner like that? He was way better than all these guys, but you know you're trying to fill the pieces that way

At least if you traded him, which maybe this is probably why they tried to do that You're getting an equivalent or something close to it back. There's no guarantees that you're going to sign that impact in the offseason. 100%. 100%. But if you could make the argument like, give me Ehlers and Bennett, and I don't even know who the top defenseman out there is for twenty three million dollars instead of marter and tomorrow's you like and but how about conversation i don't know what that looks like but i thought that conversation but

uh... you know they're a long way the way from that but and what that that is a reality for a key building your team to free to be never a good idea that's all finishing touch not a foundational piece but also think you get you guys are looking at it you're looking at it from a forward lens standpoint as opposed to looking at it backwards and what I mean by that is the idea that Matthews, Marner, Nylander are into year nine and they've won one playoff round. Name me another team on earth that would allow three players

to go through nine years if they lose again in the first round. And the reaction from everyone is, well, you gotta keep them for the rest of time. Like you couldn't possibly change that. I can't, to say it out loud is staggering. It is staggering. And it's not about individual players, it's

not about individual, you know, the Mitch Marner's, you know, analysis and what he does and what he brings or Austin or, or Willie. I'm talking the collection and the team building philosophy that is in year nine, nine years is in eternity in pro sports, in eternity. And the idea that this team wants to get out in front of it and lock them up for life, all three of them, without any playoff success or any certainty it'll ever change is insane. Quite frankly, it's absolutely crazy when you just lay it out on the table like that so you guys are saying well how do you replace it what if this guy doesn't cut what i don't care about that

uh... i'm talking about the facts these guys have been together for nine years maybe changes this spring if it does what that conversation and hopefully it does but if they go out the first round i'm sorry i'd just i can't keep having this chat a single year i don't know how anybody And hopefully it does but if they go out in the first round, I'm sorry. I Just I can't keep having this chat. Yeah, I don't know how anybody could I don't know how Shanahan could Tree-living could I don't know how MLSC could Johnny I don't know how could you name me another team on earth that would say we're just gonna keep doing this for eternity

Even though it doesn't work in the playoffs The Washington Capitals put back room of At and john carlson the other for a decade of my dad out of the second round they at least once around here it on the and i'm not going to have a pair of and i'm not going to have a pair of jones out that's not all day character i'd like to know

it's going to happen out there like that it is my i heard that from the team. They're like, well, Washington and St. Louis. It's like, well, those teams won rounds. They weren't out of the first round every year, to your point. Yeah. I hear you.

In Washington, listen, and that clearly is, that's the hope that it just, everything collects when you work. That's what you're clinging to. It's timing too, right? Like the timing of tree living coming in, the no movement clause kicking in, like he wasn't going to do that as his first order of business. Well, he could have. Let's be fair.

He could have. He could have, but is that a reasonable expectation for him? Yes. Day one. Yes. No. You're missing the point. Yes. It's not day one. It's a 10-year question, not a one-year. Yes. Day one. Yes. No. You're missing the you're missing the point. Shanann. Yes. It's not day one. It's a ten year question, not a one year. Yes. It's not a point a moment in time. It's more, well hang on, it's been so long. There's

been 30 moments in time where they could have done something different elected not to and maybe that's the bigger regret if it doesn't work out. Absolutely. And I don't believe for a second the GM at any point, whether it's Tree Living, Dubis, Lamarillo, makes that call. It's the guy above them that makes it. The guy at the top makes the big calls. I don't think Shanahan would be willing to stomach that at that point, two years ago. We'll see what happens come the spring and leading up to July 1st. It's go it's go time now Johnny, what do we got 18? Yeah, 19 laughter, you know, they're two points back at Florida

They got the Panthers on Thursday. They got Florida three more times Tampa again. They got Colorado rolling through town again it's it's gonna be a fascinating two three four months coming up and two three four months and uh... he's here to go before month and not to yeah exactly i hope it is i've listed you know i stand up all in form i hope it happens but does really matter what i want to what i think or what any of us want to think they've got a pull the weight right on it will do it later in the week

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Austin trades Andrew Raycroft to Toronto in exchange for the rights to Tuca Rast. It's been my honor and a privilege to serve as the general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs Hockey Club. It's time for Confirm or Deny. Do you regret giving all those gentlemen the no trades or no movement clauses? I can neither confirm or deny that. I can't confirm or deny. All right, confirm and deny. Very simple stuff. Statements are made. We either confirm them or we deny them. And I'm seeing reports that Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers are currently negotiating a new contract.

It may still fall apart if maybe the money doesn't work. I don't know what Rodgers is demanding. I don't know what Pittsburgh's going to give them. Very curious to see if Aaron's looking for multiple years. Is it fully guaranteed? How does that look with Tomlin? That's what I would be most intrigued about because that guy is nails and I don't think he's the type to put up with the Aaron Rodgers sideshow I don't think he would either yet. He hasn't really faced a guy of this status at that

Position right like Big Ben ten years ago You know he he did his thing and he was a superstar and that guy's going to the Hall of Fame you know he did his thing and he was a superstar and that guy's going to the hall of fame rogers is a larger than life figure in the sport and he's playing a position that mike tomlin needs in order to actually win so i i don't uh... i'm i'm very curious how will look as well

let's assume that it that it happens rogers ends up in pittsburgh confirmed that i was dealers will make the playoffs fair Aaron Rodgers is their quarterback. They were close this year, weren't they? They made it. Yeah, they made it. They had a great start. Remember, they faded late, but they got in and it got ugly. It was ugly in the playoffs. Yeah. I'll confirm it just based on the fact that there's enough around him that would still make him successful. I think Tomlin's coaching record speaks for itself. But it would be very similar to this

year, where it's just you're going to get in and you're not going to do much after that. I can't see it having that much upside. I'll confirm it with a Jerry's percentage of 98%. And I will say so because think of the quarterbacks that they've had since even like old Ben Roethlisberger was not good. Oh, he was a mess at the end. And it's like Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett

and like you just think of some of the guys that they've had and they've always been pretty competent even in spite of that. And I don't think Rogers is like, I think he's like partwashed, but he's better than Justin Fields and Russell Wilson and all those other guys. Yeah, the question is what Frankie brought up.

Does Aaron Rodgers come in with his ayahuasca and he's got a whole different aura going on and does that upset the apple cart enough to throw off the Steelers? Because they make it every year basically and Tom Lennie always coaches them to 500 or better every single year, but the Ravens aren't going anywhere I think the Bengals will see with the Bengals who knows But if the Bengals can find a way to defend better better than they did last year

That's going to be a difficult two games that Pittsburgh's going to run into I Wouldn't go Jerry's that high. I will confirm this, but simply because of the defense, Tomlin, the history. But Rogers, he could easily throw this scene completely off. Well, do you think he'll come at it different? Like if you're going into that Jets organization, you probably know you can do whatever you want. Yes. And did he miss like the the mini camp? He did miss a mandatory mini camp. They're not gonna let that happen in Pittsburgh.

They're not gonna let it and Pittsburgh's a different town too. Very blue collar like New York was New York and they're infatuated with them and it was the Jets and they're so desperate. The Steelers aren't desperate they're a well-run organization that that gets the playoffs every year, blue-collar town. And I also wonder how much gas he has left. He survived last year. Will he do it again? I don't think you can ever guarantee it with a quarterback of that age.

This guy is one bad step away from hurting something again. Jerry's 68%. Yeah, I was too high. That's better, Frankie. Okay, you were too high. You were way too high. I was overconfident. I like that. 68. Confirmed and denied. Yeah, I was too high. Okay, I were too high your ways over confident 68

Confirmed than I Brad Marshawn will resign in Florida after this season. Oh I'll confirm that if they're willing to have him back I could see him leaving a few dollars on the table to play for the Panthers You know, you you know It's a team that is going to be in the mix trying to win a Stanley Cup. Your GM has shown you that he's willing to go out and make trades to keep this team right there. The whole living in Florida thing is nice. The no state tax. You're already there. I could very much see this happening. As long as he plays well enough

that they want to have him back. That's the question for me. Yeah. Like, you know, you look at it. Florida deserves the benefit of the doubt that they're going to, you know, perform well in the playoffs and everything's going to work out. They've played a lot of hockey the last couple of years, a lot of hockey. Matthew Kachuk, we'll see where he's at.

I think he'll return. I wouldn't be surprised if he's 100% in flying, but it's no guarantees. Ann Marchand is not young. It's a new atmosphere for him. How's he going to fit in? He's coming off an injury. I'm going to deny this based on the fact that I think if it goes awry, it's easy for Florida to just say, we gave it a shot, but we're moving on. You know what I mean? We tried it, but we're moving on you know what I mean like we tried it Yeah, but we're moving on here. You just didn't fit We couldn't find the spot or we didn't look great or because I think Brad I think you're right Frank

He'd be willing up to give up a little bit of money to go to Florida But he's not gonna play for a million bucks or two million dollars Well on Hayes they have some pretty big free agents that they potentially have to sign right they have Aaron Ekblad is a free agent Sam Bennett's a free agent so conceivably maybe they need a center yeah exactly yeah that leaves that's a big big gap they're gonna have to fill right like they're gonna have to figure out what they do if Sam Bennett ends up walking so would March and would March end because if Crosby stays in Pittsburgh Like if Dubas picked up the phone at the end of the season free agency is like

Why don't you come play a couple years with Sid? We're gonna assign some guys and see if we can make one last run at the playoffs. I could see that I can definitely see that Yeah, because I mean Dubas is trying to convince the world that they're good He's gonna retool here and get going right like he said that after the trade deadline They've acquired a lot of picks and some prospects and some flexibility and now it's his turn to Execute the plan to get Sid back in the playoffs We always think of Sid going to play with McKinnon

We never thought of Marsh and going to play with Sid I could see that making sense What do you guys think the percentage and hijacking the game? Yeah, the percentages Jerry's percentages for Marsha and going back to Boston 18 yeah, I was gonna say 25% Yeah 30% Okay. I think once he ripped that once he ripped the band-aid off You just you see life differently and for him as well. He might get like today's emotional He's still in boston. He's rehabbing the florida's playing there. He could get down to florida You know new group of guys new coach and just look at it and be like I gotta do something different here, too You know and yeah, um So yeah, i'm i'm not convinced he goes back there at all Uh confirmed with deny brandon car Carlo will play more minutes per game

in the playoffs than Morgan Reilly. Oh, come on. Deny. That's a deny? That's a deny? That's an easy deny. That's an easy deny? Yeah, you're looking at that.

I thought that's an easy Morgan Reilly play this year. Have you watched Reilly play for them in the playoffs? He's been their best player. He's been very good in the playoffs. The other thing, like, you have to factor in with Carlo's minutes right now. Number one, he's on their number one penalty kill. He's not going be on the number one penalty kill when Chris Tannis healthy He's gonna be killing penalties. He will be killing penalties And don't you think the Leafs are gonna kill like keep this five forward power play thing going all the way the rest of the way Through and that's where that's where Riley got a lot of his significant minutes

So he's playing essentially five on five the rest of the way. Carlo's going to play five on five plus PK. Yeah, but when they need a goal, Carlo's not playing. That's fair. That's fair. I think Riley probably ends up around 21-ish, 21-1.5, but maybe even more. In the playoffs, things change, and Carlo's probably more in the 20 range you guys don't think so I don't think it's a clear-cut confirm like deny or confirm you didn't like how you jumped on that quickly as if it was a preposterous

you went Mike Johnson I got elbow you beat his elbow yeah I don't think it's that clear-cut because you know like to Frankie's point like Carlos is gonna kill some penalties You know the two of them are gonna play a lot of five-on-five together So where is Riley gonna get those extra second power play if he elevates his game the way that he has in the past Then you have to play him more because he has been a playoff performer He has really flipped the switch in the playoffs and if he does that again, and he shows it early flip the switch in the playoffs and if he does that again and he shows it early then that's gonna go a long way but if he continues at a similar level to the way he's been playing all

all year this year I think all bets are off and I think they'd lean into Carlo a little bit more. I just think they're gonna need to find a way to generate offense and they don't have anyone else who generates offense from on defense. Now you would say like he's not generating a lot of offense this year but he's the best chance of offense from their D. Well and then I guess the the other aspect of that is what if they go into into a playoff series thinking man we just gotta we gotta be strong around our net we got a weather the offense that is coming to us and then all of a sudden Carlos playing way more because that's his type of game.

Yeah, and Barube could look at it that way, right? Like Barube's a different beast and he looks at the game differently and you know Carlos the new toy, that's what he is and you got to give him some time. Like he's had some issues the first couple of games. Riley has too. You got to get it. Same with Lawton. Like Lawton's still trying to get the couple of games. Riley has two. You got to get- Same with Lawton. Lawton's still trying to get the hang of things. I saw there was one read there where you can tell he's in the middle. He's like, well, in Philly we would do this, but in Toronto you don't do that. It's part of it.

He took a penalty last night that wasn't great. He's trying to be overly aggressive. The raffing last night was terrible, though. It was awful. The Benoit won. What did he get? Called for tripping? It was a horrendousting last night was terrible though. It was awful. The Benoit one, what did he get called for? Tripping? It was horrendous.

Yeah, I think there was McBain, he was following over. Yeah, he blew a wheel. Alright, we'll continue with Confirmer Deny. We've got Carter Hutton coming up, Steve Phillips, our best bet still to come as well. Overdrive continues, TSN 1050 and on the TSN app. Wow, you've got the latest model. Nice. You should see it run.

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Rumor has it you might want to stay away from the second floor Some say the ghosts of a former bank teller with dark long hair roams the halls here Okay, there you go very mysterious should we know this already is that a giveaway? I don't know it I don't know that story. Yeah, I believe in ghosts No, uh Yeah, sure I'll give you I'll give you a believe like what kind though. What are we talking about? They used to say they used to say that in in Utica when I played there in the minors

there was the hotel Utica and it was haunted and they had like barricaded off the top like well however many floors because ghosts roamed those and they couldn like barricaded off the top like well however many floors because ghosts roamed those and they couldn't get past the barricade. That's always been my question that needs to be answered. Why would a ghost just say I'm just gonna stay here like they're lazy they don't ever leave. They're just comfortable there. They're afraid of leaving their you know comfortable spots. Right it's like this afraid of leaving their you know comfortable spot, right?

It's like this one floor is where this ghost is but he'll never ever leave You know he'll be there for centuries But never think I'm gonna go ahead outside a beautiful day out go check out what's going on You know go outside. That's not where they used to I got it I got a thing for jonas this is the you could do an article on this okay if marter walks in the off season you gotta look at all the u f a players frankie you don't puzzle together

the twelve hundred two thirty-teen or fourteen million dollars the perfect off season if he walks i have a google doc already started you've already written that you look at you look at you the the ghost of twenty four twenty five it resides in your google documents brats as their pious suitor and a fourth round it's a tough

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