OverDrive - OverDrive - March 21st, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Maple Leafs' strong victory against the Rangers, John Tavares' impressive game, the Oilers injury bug with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl and the experiences throughout a golf store. They also preview the Maple Leafs' matchup against the Predators, Ryan O'Reilly and Andrew Brunette's comments on the season and Nashville's rough season on the ice.

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after homes smart speaker and up on t s and plus all afternoon brian haze your dog jeff o'neill jamie noodles mcclennan how's it going everyone doing okay i love our which are the opening i've been telling you how about that butchering are we doing better than you think new York Rangers and their fans are doing? I would say so So absolutely like noodles you weren't here yesterday, and we established a new bit on the fly the hot take time Let me hear yes Yeah, kind of a spin on the hot tub time machine and I was thinking about this you know in terms of how we could try to bring this into

You know the existence here on the show, and I thought if you go back to September If we jumped in the hot take time machine and went back to September like which fan base would you tell? Like there's pain coming pain is coming embrace for impact because I think the Rangers would have to be on a short list. Now I think the question would have to be if you hopped in the hot tub time machine what fan base would be more surprised when you told them come April there's going to be some pain coming. I got one for you the Boston Bruins

fan base. I think that's a very valid point I would say the team Toronto plays tomorrow night would be high on that list. Yeah Nashville you're right. Think about the Preds fan in September you know be bopping down Broadway thinking we got Stamco's so we got Marcia so and on top of Forsberg on top of Yossi on top of Soros. Soros is still here on a long term deal. We are dancing to the playoffs and they're one of the worst teams in the league. But yeah, you're right about the Rangers. Like I like the Leafs game on a back to back on the road. Like I got a lot of time for the way they played last night I thought they played really well I think you know Stolas did

what he had to do I think Bobby McMahon moving back into the top six I think it's you know Borube for the most part has decided when he likes something I'm sticking with it I think it's time to stick with that top six that we saw last night yeah I'm saying that I mean two periods in a week it could be changed but why not just give it a shot? And I thought that Tavares line, as much as we critiquing them, their performance against Colorado, they bounced back and I thought they were awesome.

They led the way. Absolutely. Absolutely. They were great last night. And that's one I thought we'd see more out of the Rangers noodles, like considering how they played against Calgary and their life is on the line And they look lifeless they well they got nothing down there in New York and the goalie was no good if you ask me Like I mean some of those like this goal here were showing like you gotta make that's why you've our school the first one

Yeah, listen good on John like like you never take away I've said this before don't critique a win all of that type of stuff But you can take a look at the other side and go, that's not good enough. Like that's not Vezna goaltending. Like, you know, Shosturkin has to be the difference maker. I didn't think he had a lot of chance at other ones. His team was out to lunch and that Adam Fox looked like he was skating around with a... I don't know. Like I don't honestly... I get it. The legs are falling off this guy. Like I, I, you know, I went back and watched the game last night because I'm like, okay, I saw it.

I was tracking it doing my game and I'm like, okay, it's 2-2, so maybe the Rangers have had a little pushback and you're tracking shots and it's 4-2. And I'm like, okay, that's curtains because that team isn't getting four. Like it's just the way that they're put together right now. And then I go back and watch it and I'm like, you know, they had to push at the end and is what it is. But I just, I didn't feel like they were dangerous the whole night. If they don't have enough guys playing well, like last night, Lafrenier didn't notice them. Zabani yet didn't notice them. Fox didn't know, like it's just like where the hell did

you guys go? That Keandre Miller, he was so bad in his own, cause I hear the noise from their fan base about this guy, how he's just brutal in his own, like that Bobby McMahon goal with seven seconds left after the Rangers scored like late in the period and then they give it back up, he just let Bobby McMahon go right to the net, watch this guy in the corner, it's like Bobby McMahon fights to the pot I go to look how look at that distance him going to the front of the net it's like come on dude that's just it was bad news for the Rangers yeah there's no urgency in their game and you know you nailed it Hayes like they put up 13 shots against the

Calgary Flames two days earlier when the Flames had played the night before and got embarrassed Then you knew they were gonna have a response So you're you're going okay the Rangers are gonna give the Leafs everything they can handle and you know It'd be wave after wave and labby, you know, we'll probably have them jacked up. I Didn't get that sense, you know, I didn't see you know I'm sure that play maybe that's just who they are though Right, right. Like again after a while like we're almost in April. This is what they've been all year the Rangers They have been inconsistent or earlier. They were they were way worse than this. They were horrendous earlier in the year

And I think what they look like to me is a team that is very fragile that doesn't really want to be in a team that is very fragile, that doesn't really wanna be in a fight, and that's a really, that's an indictment. Like that's the worst thing you can say about a team. But I think what the Leafs did last night, on a back to back, is said, we're gonna push you around, we're gonna battle. Like I thought the Leafs really battled last night.

Like battled for Pucks, you referenced the McMahon play. He could have been lazy in the corner, let the period run out or what. He's like, I'm going to to the net something might happen here. If you want to keep up keep up Yeah, I thought Tana and McCabe were outstanding last night again making you work and Like that's the the positives here where the Leafs are at now. They've won three in a row You know, you got a little mojo going here. You're in Nashville tomorrow You cannot let your foot off the pedal because Nashville is as fragile as you were gonna find in pro sports Their coach came out and said

We're looking for the Nashville coach Bruno Andrew Burnett said we're looking for a little bit more Professionalism from guys with long-term contract. Yeah, that's a that's how bad it's gotten there If you had to spit that on in on the read through cryptically, that's basically an indictment on guys that have just put their feet up and said, what is it, mid-late March almost, Expedia has been looked at, right? These guys are gone, man. They've been gone since November. November, yeah.

Nashville's been awful all year. But that is, unfortunately, you can kind of look at who he's talking about there. He's talking about probably the new guys, Marcia Soros and Stamcoz. Ryan O'Reilly's always tough on himself, but he hasn't been playing well. And Yossi and the goalie. I don't get the sense that that's on Josiah and Saros. This guy's seen them for years. I get the sense it's on exactly what you said.

The new guys in the room in the long-term deals going, all right, it's not my year, whatever. I don't think that's an indictment on Roman Josiah and his leader. Maybe not, but he is the captain and he's allowed. He can't control't control the whole thing, but we'll see we got how guilt coming up later We'll play that clip and we'll dissect it a little bit later on But the Leafs are in Nashville and they play the prets tomorrow night Yeah, I think you know you look at the top six that that is what you're trying to establish going into the playoffs So like who are the two lines that you're really gonna run with and they still got to figure out the rest

You know, they got to figure out what they're gonna do with the the bottom six who are gonna you're gonna play minutes You know the blast you're gonna get 20 minutes 22 23 minutes out of those lines They've got to be productive lines. But if you if you can commit to Bobby McMahon with Tavares and Nylander, you know Knives and Matthews and Marner are going to stick together. McCabe and Tana have really connected all year and they're playing back at the level they were a couple months ago where they are a beast to handle for the opponents. They're just gritty and they're battling and they're fighting.

McCabe's been really confident with the puck You know you had multiple assists last night if you've got that thought Brandon Carlo again really solid You know just kind of blends into the game It doesn't make mistakes like if you if you can establish two lines a top four in defense figure out who your goal is But again, they're both in a good spot. We'll figure that out. We talked about it yesterday We you got a month to figure that out. But if you can have a goalie that's comfortable and confident, top four defense, top six,

in terms of the forwards, that's a good start. You know, like you're gonna need more for the long run, but that's a good place to be in. Like if you can establish that and they're all healthy and you knock on wood, because you still got a number of games until you get there. But that's kind of what I've taken out of the last three games is

The top end your roster veterans your best players guys with the most at stake If they're starting to come alive here a little bit starting to realize we're getting closer to go time That's a positive more than it's gonna elevate even more come play Yes, but more than any other year because i'm sure we've probably said this four or five years in a row going into the playoffs you look at where they're finishing their points they've the mass throughout the year like

this team should have a tan chance to possibly do some damage would nippy now more than ever with the way the goalies are playing just some veteran kind of grizzled guys around a different feel a different vibe They should have like if they put all play well and put it all together They should give themselves a chance to do some damage and that I get one seed in the Atlantic is still available, right? McCabe said it last night. Yeah, it's important. Of course it's important, you know in four to one last night and overtime and That's important. Of course it's important. You know, in Florida one last night and overtime and Tampa's winning and the three of them are right there. Like it really, it could

break out in any combination. One, two, three, but you know, the three of them that is a kind of a separator is this year the Leafs have a chance to do something different. And that's why last week was so frustrating. So frustrating for Leaf fans is that it's not like Florida's 12 points ahead of them and it's all totally irrelevant. You know you're playing Tampa, we all know it, we've known it since Christmas. There's been a number of years where that's been the case. This year is actually different and you can actually put your foot forward and do something different and have it make it feel different and when you're talking about it in October and November

December it feels so far-fetched and far gone now It's not like it's becoming more and more clear like it's you're inside you have 13 games left You know I have started a month. Yeah less than a month. You're playing a month It's a month Sunday or Monday this coming weekend. And when you look at it, you're four weeks away, you've got to stay healthy, you've got to get into a groove, and you can finish one first, second, or third, really. That's kind of what it looks like right now. So you control.

I mean, you do control your own destiny because you do play these teams again, correct? So it's- Yeah, they play Florida two more times, they play Tampa again one more time, and you're right. Those are the three games that will likely determine what's gonna happen, and it probably comes right down to the wire, and we'll see how all three teams react, but credit to the Leafs this week,

because they've played a lot of games, and three games in four nights, and they got six points all in regulation. Now they're going to Nashville tomorrow. They got Philly next week. You get a chance to bank some points and we'll see what comes of it.

And again, Howe Gill's coming up in about 20 minutes. But a lot of what this time of year is about is kind of trying to avoid injuries. And we saw what happened in Edmonton last night where McDavid left the game, Dry Settle didn't play, Skinner left the game. I thought that Morrissey thing caused like this doesn't know that I don't think that caused it I think that's a groin or something people were like I speared him in the nuts no he didn't that's a really I couldn't figure that

out yeah like I was I was watching that live'm like, that's not a... you look at him, it looks like he's strained something and it's like, okay, shut him down. They're probably going to play L.A. So, you know, they've got to guard those guys against health. I thought, and you know, I thought Skinner got bonked, but I also thought he kind of, you know, the goalie, hey, throwback, so back so and at the spotters like you're out it sounds like he's cleared and fine he's fine what happens if you just tell the spotter to go well do you remember Toronto do you remember in Toronto Jonathan quick tried to fight with the spotter and he got pulled from the game I don't remember several years ago but

the spotter took out Jonathan quick I can't remember, several years ago, but the spotter took out Jonathan Quick. I can't remember what period it was. I believe it would have been third period. And Quick was like, I'm fine. And the spotter's like, don't care. We're taking it. And that's what spotters do, take it out of your hands. That's right.

And, you know, Skinner got bunked, but I thought he stayed down. He was looking at the ref and it's like the spotter's like, well, we're going to make sure you're okay well there's five minutes left in the game so it's like all right Pickard here you come like and and they ended up well I was maybe a little bit later but they ended up tying the game and and you know getting a point out of it Winnipeg's they're good like you look at Hellebuck made that save in overtime man like he's he needed that I like his game the in Vancouver a couple of nights ago.

And yeah, yeah, no, it was getting back to it. It's it's health. Like that's that's what it is, man. You're bracing for impact. Like I don't know what we don't know exactly the extent of dry subtle or or McDavid. I guess they're both going for MRIs today and we'll get some sort of an indication. I can't imagine it's something that's going to affect them come playoff time, but you know, you mentioned it,

they're probably playing LA, you know, Vegas, Vegas is only, I think, four points up, but they've been the pace go on that division, but LA's two points behind them with two games in hand, so you might start in LA, which is, you know, something they haven't done in a while. And home ice, you know, is definitely something that is valuable.

And I think for the Oilers in that building, the way they come alive in the playoffs in Edmonton, I think that would be obviously something very beneficial, but there's no guarantees that's going to happen. But it was a wild night last night. Like the Habs, they were down 3-1. They pushed it to overtime, get a point. Vancouver, Besser scores with 2.7 seconds left for them to get a point Vancouver best scores with 2.7 seconds left for them to get a base the flambé's and Calgary was down there was down three one storm back and they stay alive and your Islanders the Islanders winning overtime again Pierre Engvel and the Islanders you have to every time you say the Islanders on this show Hayes you have to say Pierre Ingval and the island you just know they're going to get in now and Ingval is going to score an overtime winner in game seven against the

capitals or something because it is you know this is the beauty of sports you you earn your keep and everyone's allowed to play and everyone's allowed to chase points but well I know that sounds so condescending it's just so everyone gets it. They get jerseys and everything. The point I'm making, you know where I'm going to go with this, with certain markets. I'm sitting here thinking, wow, Montreal might get in, and Vancouver or Calgary, how amazing would that be? It will be St. Louis and the Islanders that get in.

And personally, I'm not that interested in that story line. I just I would prefer if Pierre Engvall went golfing in a month as opposed to continue to play and you know the same thing with st. Louis but it's a fight it's a fight on both sides and yeah we'll see what comes of it. All right how Gill's coming up in about 15 minutes we'll look ahead to Leafs Preds tomorrow get his take on a lot of these stories throughout the NHL We'll play that Andrew Burnett quote that you referenced though And we got Johnny coming up today. It was a tough night for for the Raptors just lost

It was a nail-biter for the tank But they found a way to pull it off after Steph Curry left the game and Canada was down 1-0 in Mexico Like 46 seconds into the match and that was it so they ended up losing But they will play the US for the bronze medal of the Nations League Cup so that that I guess is something worth playing for because you're not playing Panama the next round you're gonna play the US On American soil so that that does build up for something this weekend So we'll look ahead to that a little bit as well. And dear Hazy B coming up at 630 Overdrive continues.

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to the final score. Our good friend Hal Gill coming up here in a few moments. Get his take on what's going on in Nashville, what's going on in the West. You know, make some play out predictions with him. Always great to catch up with Hal Gill, maybe ask him for some advice on if you're not feeling so well, right, the best way to overcome that illness. Maybe he needs to take the Preds out, the whole team and have a giant glass of scotch because that was his remedy for everything else. Why not losing streaks?

I like that idea. We'll present that idea to Hal Gill and we'll see how he would answer that. So he's coming up here in a few moments. Mike Johnson still to come. I saw like a commercial play out this morning that I think you guys would appreciate. Oh, I know you would appreciate it because I had to pop into Golf Town. It's that time of year where guys the pop pop in into a golf town tinkering. Oh yeah. It's not needed. You just wheel in totally unnecessary.

You know, it's a drive by there. It is. It's like a suction. You're like, I'll pop in and see what's going on. And I pop in and there's this guy cause they have the little kind of faux practice green in there and this guy because they have the little kind of faux practice screen in there and this guy is rolling the rock he's got this putter and it's on fire and he's doing like the leg up tilt when it's going in the side door like I could tell he's feeling it because that's always my move I walk in I roll a couple of pots and then it's going in the side door he was really feeling this putter

and then I walked off because I was actually there to look for something for going in the side door. He was really feeling this butter. And then I walked off, because I was actually there to look for something for my dad. So I'm like, I got to go walk around here. And about five minutes later, I look left, and the guy's got the butter. And he's buying the thing. And I'm like, oh, he bought it.

He bought it. And I'm like, this is actually like those commercials. Like, he came in, and he probably said, if I hit five in a row, I'm buying this thing. I that last year five in a row bought it. Yeah. See you later. Yeah. This guy he was noodles. He was so on fire like he's reading putts at golf town and he's like if I had five in a row I'm buying this thing and I was I couldn't help but smile. I'm like all right. he came in here Probably for no reason and then he saw the putter. It's March. He'll be golfing in two or three weeks He's like if I hit five of these I'm buying it

so I'm doing five and he bought it so shout out to that guy I don't even know who he is, but I Appreciate how you roll and his garage is full of putters like that Oh, of course, you know and said, you know what? I'm gonna do that. I don't mind that now. Let me ask you this is the green like challenging I'm convinced they funnel the ground so everything goes in I think you might be right I think that's the best advertiser if you just funnel it So it's almost like it's going in kind of no matter what, guys will be buying putters left, right and center.

I'm convinced that's somewhat like it. It's probably not a bad thing. I'd have bigger cups. I'd have everything. Yeah, suction, man. Exactly that. If you have the kind of the undulation of the floor, because that's what it is. It's like felt on some concrete.

If you can make sure that you set up wherever the holes happen to be or if you're within six inches anywhere around that cup it's going in. Guys will convince themselves that it's the putter that it's just you know they found some new technique online that they've applied at Golf Town and everything worked out. it's the best as what the tiger got mic'd up talking about that recently is like get off youtube and just go hit golf balls that's how you'll improve

right to do my brother did you know how many people they think they can watch a youtube clip all that's how you fix your slice all done i'm fixed yet but who's teaching you on youtube that That's the thing. Like, it's a guy, it's Tim Cuff. Well, that's the sad thing is, there is some prominent people on YouTube that give these lessons. Like, there's a lesson on a Twitter account,

like, it's called like Tour Gala. Like, Phil Mickelson lessons will, and I watch every single one of them, because he actually gives, like if you just little tidbits here and there. Yeah. But if you think you're gonna find a game on YouTube you know you're you're sadly mistaken Exactly it's absurd to think you're shaving

Strokes off your game based on YouTube algorithms. You know you're right Phil might say hey You know have your the weight on your foot here if you're down on a chip, okay? That's smart Then I'll take it from there thank you Phil but if if you're if you're a 25 handicap you can't spend the winter on YouTube and show up and be a scratch like that's just not the way it works and I'm curious like if there's other sports where that type of activity is available to you like i've noticed in hockey there are like hockey coach guy is posting stuff on youtube and tick tock you know about his drills and you know how intense you have to be on stops and starts and crossover drills and like there's one guy online that's gaining a reputation for just

it's just the the goofiest type of routine you could ever see in terms of him. Yeah, he's a hockey coach. You know, he's a skills development coach and he posts stuff on YouTube. And... It's not that Pavel Barber or whatever his name is. No, I mean that guy's like a trick guy though.

Yeah, he's a trick, he seems pretty cool and you know... Yeah, oh no, that's not, I'm not talking about, I don't even know the name of the guy, I've I've seen it pop up where it's Rick Rick the coach that yeah it's got a whistle and you know a track suit and he's yelling at kids about doing drills in certain ways and you got to get your legs up to turn it's like don't like that you know kind of, who is watching this thinking this is how I'm going to improve? He's Milos. That's what he is. He's from Seinfeld. Milos, the tennis coach.

That's right. That's exactly what it is. Exactly what it is. All right. Howe Gill coming up here in a moment. Here's a real coach. Why don't we play the Andrew Burnett clip? Yes. So he's the head coach of the Preds. And I guess, you know, credit to Barry Trotz, because there were a lot of people thinking Andrew Burnett wasn't going to survive the first 10 games of the year, 15 games, 20 games. And Trotz is committed to him. And Trotz has seen the issue as a player issue. And I guess I can't really argue against that, considering how disappointing it's been.

But with a month ago, like we joke a lot about jumping on uhaul.com and booking flights and where are we going the second the season comes to an end. Rarely do you hear a coach say this about veteran players on a losing team. Here's Andrewernett last night it's challenging a lot of guys that haven't been in the situation where veteran guys for a while i think mentally it's uh... it's a dream but they're going to be here a long time

where they have a long time on their contracts and you know the you know i think it for them it's important that they said they're supposed to be leaders they have to set an example going a certain way. So our young guys see that. That we never want to be here again, but when we are here, we have to handle ourselves with a little bit more professionalism than we are right now. That's a tough comment.

That speaks to something. Like I think he saw something and he was like that's nonsense like like if you had him in a candid moment and say what you define the level of lack of professionalism what do you mean you saw some guys I think you saw a guy I think it's a guy or a guy showed up for a game an hour before or 90 men like rolled in or something like that like or or on the road instead of you know having pregame, instead of having a nap in that, he's walking down the street and he sees a guy out shopping at 3 o'clock in the afternoon on Robson in Vancouver.

You know what I mean? Something where it's not traditional, where you know on... We all had our routines on game days. You would maybe go a little shopping here or there, but for the most part guys would shut it down from like two to four or at least stay in the room and do, but if you saw a guy like flat out, you know, is that an arcade or just, you know, doing something ridiculous on it? An arcade.

Come on, dude. You know what I mean. Guys would be up to more interesting things than an arcade. Okay, I hope so. I hold a bad example, but you know what I mean. If the guy is at a mall, walking down the mall at 2.30 in the afternoon and he's had a full day of shopping and you're like, okay, what the hell is this guy doing? You play tonight. A lack of professionalism is on a lot of different levels.

Oh, what would that be to you? A lack of professionalism. I just think the overall approach. You could just see guys laughing, not caring. You probably saw a little something that you didn't want to see on the road. The examples you just gave, I don't know if it would have been an arcade. It's not an arcade. Might have been selling booze on guys.

Who knows, man? But it ain't cutting it. I don't know if you'd see that anymore in the league, you know based on the right I could see brunette actually Appreciating booze in the breath because maybe that's what he's asking for take the guys out Don't just let them hang out by themselves You know like that could be a part of the issue is that the vets are like man I got my own thing going on and you know

I'm not doing the the dinner on the road with the rookies or whatever or To your point and that that could be it You know or just yeah practice habits and stuff because a lot of like they could paid a lot of money obviously to play but as you guys can attest to a lot of it also is how you how you work behind the scenes and A lot of it also is how you work behind the scenes. He starts that clip by talking about how difficult it is mentally for guys who haven't been in this position in a long time. That's Stamkos and Marciusot.

Stamkos and Tampa have been one of the three or four best teams in the league, and Vegas, for Marciusot for the last seven or eight years. Literally the last seven or eight years, the two of them, Stamkos and Marshes. So I'm using them because I think you can tie it together. I'm not accusing them individually of something. We don't know exactly what it is.

But if the premises, this is rarefied air for these guys and generally they're gearing up and they know that they're gearing down because we're done, then that can be difficult for them to embrace. And yet you still got to work, man. Like you still, you still got to show up on time. You still got to stay late after practice. Like that's got to be the toughest grind. Like, Oh, I think you've joked about this before. We're like, I got a tee time.

I want to get out of here where like coaches and management and ownership can see that and say we're paying this guy how much money and he just left the second the whistle blue like he's not working on anything. We don't want to give it two weeks. This guy is out of there like this. You got it. You got it. It's not like you're bluffing it or faking it.

You got to be professional and work at your craft. But at the I know personally when my team was eliminated from the playoffs, I would imagine Nashville's already eliminated aren't they? Not officially, but it's done. Yeah, it's there. Like it's officially done. It's like if I got home, curfew's always 11 o'clock. If I got home at midnight, I really wouldn't care. I don't think I would ever blow a gasket and

be home at four in the morning the night before the game. That was just not my move. But if I got home at 1230 or one o'clock and it was just kind of a late dinner and it's you're in a great city and it's near the end of the end of the season, like who cares? If you want to go out, like at the end of the day, guys go out and take it deep and they have a good time, you got to show up and play. That wasn't my play. But if guys want to do it, you just can't mail it deep and they have a good time, you got to show up and play. That wasn't my play, but if guys want to do it, you just can't mail it in and embarrass everybody. It's bad enough the scores, the record you have, but if you're rubbing it in people's

faces and you're flat out not trying, which is a danger when you have guys on long-term contracts with no movement clauses because it's like, well, what am I going to do to that guy? Well, that's the question, right? Like we had Barry Trotz on earlier this year and he was referencing some conversations he had had with other GMs around the league about how difficult it can be to have legacy players, you know, leave their team and join your team. And he said, sometimes it takes a year or two. Um, and he was, they don't have a second year to wait.

Well, that's the thing, but this, now they don't have a second year to wait well that's the thing but this now they have to because this year's this year's yeah right off like they they made all those moves was stamp coast of marshes so bringing in brady shay and you know again signing guys and re-signing guys and this year they're they're finished at fifty eight points what they're gonna be mathematically eliminated by like next week you're right but let me ask you this though would it would it be crazy for you guys that this season is a complete wash

which it is but next year instead of retooling he adds and maybe that team finds another level because Marciusau settles in Stamkos you have a bounce back here from Forsberg you have Sarr in in yossi that look good brady shay's been awful there maybe shay settled like those names those aren't scrubs like so maybe it is he's saying complete wipeout but instead of you know retooling and selling off would it be crazy that that team's pretty decent next year honestly the way they're playing this year i I think it is crazy to see that. And we'll see it tomorrow. Yes.

Yeah, it's tough to see it. To them to be world beaters next year, I think you can't even envision it. You're right, because of what we've seen. But I'm saying, I try to remove what we're seeing right now and go, look at this team, what they could be on paper if they play somewhat to the potential now Stamkos is Mid 30s now he's not 28 and a 60 goal score marshes So yes 30 plus so it's you know it is different and will look different

But they're better than what this this is that's the point that I would so like if you look at like it's not like Chicago We're right. They're not to be any good next year. Or San Jose. You're not recognizing names on Chicago going, that guy, we've seen a sample size from player X, Y, and Z. Where we have seen the players that Nashville has, they're just not playing well. And, you know, maybe, again, maybe the wheels have come off and it's age and everything that's caught up, but maybe it's just an awful year by too many of them and it's caught up to them and that's it. That's possible.

And I would guess that's what they're banking on because they're committed to these guys and, you know, Ryan O'Reilly, they could have traded him at the trade deadline. And they chose not to. He did not have a no movement or a no trade clause and while he's you know notorious for being difficult on himself and he was again last night let's see what ryan or i'll have to say about his game

into very much good at their this dress myself to add but i've made a hockey playing few weeks now and i don't really know what to say. I want to be mad, but I feel like I'm not good enough to get mad right now. Yeah, it's just, you know, as a group, I think we all know we have to be better. We're not really doing much out there. I know for myself myself, just feel like I'm skating and not accomplishing anything and just frustration, but yeah, I know,

I know I definitely have to be a better leader, find a way to do something here, and I think that our leaders too, we have to, you know, group's not gonna compete if we aren't, and again, that's a big onus on myself, it's pretty pathetic, so. Yeah, that's tough, man. Couple things with that. It's awful and he mentioned all of it. You can't lead when you're playing like garbage. Not that you can't because you can obviously say the right things and

try to approach things the right way in practice. But when you're playing like what he just described, how could anybody take you seriously if you wanted to try him up and say something? And guys aren't stupid, they know how you're playing. And the second thing is Trotze's gotta do his best to try to blow that thing up. I don't know why he didn't make more aggressively and I know he wanted to honor some things and these guys just got here, but that thing's a mess. And it's on his watch because he put it together.

Regardless of how it came together, he put it together. So they got to move some people out of there because you can't go back to the... I don't care about the legacy contracts taking time. You got to completely... That didn't work, man. Like that didn't work to a point where you have to change it. See, but I disagree because I think what he's going to do is add to it because I think it hasn't worked this year but you can't, that team on paper is too good to blow up. You can't just, hey, anybody want Roman Yossi for pennies on the dollar?

I'm not talking about Yossi, I'm talking about some guys you brought in, like, I don't know, you got to go to them and say, this didn't work out. Sorry. But you're going to have to package them and maybe with a sweetener because they've got three years left on their deal at five. Tell me the numbers. Five? Is it five for both of those guys?

Marcia So and... Yeah. Yeah. I think it was four years for StampCo. So I think it may be five for Marcia So. So let's call it five million a year and and for two guys So, you know if those two are the guys but you know what your thought process says It can't get worse those two have to play better and you know, you're banking on that and you're putting your reputation on the line

Well, yeah, you're not gonna blow it up completely, but I will say it like this is so ugly So ugly that I don't know if you can just tinker you know it's it's been so ugly Yeah, that's that's not like legacy guys coming around and tinkering. That's That didn't work man like I get it you want to just take the you didn't work, and you take the summer I can't see how they just come back with that group and training camp. I don't think you come back with the same group. I think you add to it because you've got cap space. Instead of having Sizzens as your second line center, you go hunting.

You bring somebody in and you spend money to do that. I don't know, Noodle. Sometimes if you load up a bunch of mashed potatoes on a giant turd it's still a turd underneath it man you're right you know what the thing is though it's recency bias like I you know I I look at it is is Brady Shea at this bad you know Roman Yossi is not available to them because he's injured right now he's that Brady Shea is a pretty damn good defenseman. I like some of their players, it's just, you're right, it hasn't worked.

But I don't think it's a scenario where, okay, it didn't work for Stamkos, so you've got to get rid of him. I think guys are allowed off seasons. I think, yeah, Trot said that earlier, I think that will be his play noodles. I think you're right. I would presume that is his play. just it better work the second time well Yes, or your or your toast or everything's done like if it's another year like this then you're just what they're then you're then you You're done everyone's out everyone's out and you're all and the team's a mess and and like this is you might have a chance to get

out from mistakes a Year, you know a year, because other teams might say, oh, that was just a year. If it's two years, then it becomes a trend. Well, two years, then it's fireball offenses. And the players are unmovable, because then it's like, no, that actually is the player now. They actually aren't.

It's not a Nashville thing. Let's be honest. If we're talking about fireball offense, if it's performance-based and somebody If this is all on Barry Trotz and we all love Barry But if this was his idea and his doing a lot of times you would get fired for that if it's that bad And you had like these big aspirations of all maybe we could slip slip in a cup this year And that's what you're doing like sometimes you get gas for that and they're showing faith in him to keep him around because

that's a big blunder man. That didn't work out in a big way. Yeah. I mean there's no, listen the standings don't lie. There's, you know, they're right near the bottom. I just- It was right from the word go. Yeah.

It's been a real year. I mean Steven Sampras unpredictable 13 games without a point When he's ever done that in his career probably never I would I'm not sure he would have done that his rookie year speaking of owners, did you see the picture of the Buffalo Sabres box last night where Terry Pagula was Was in Utah. He's on one end of the box by himself. Kevin Adams, they are literally as far away from each other within the suite. It is, I saw it last night.

It was somewhat, I would say. Try and find it like Joe or whatever. But API, you can't. I sent it to the guys. I don't know why we can't put it up. But it was very telling of what we talked about before. Like if the owner's there and you're in management, you're like, all right, there it is.

There's Terry on the far left and there's Kevin Adams on the far right and like what's the purpose of even being there if you're not gonna interact with people and that's where I would try to find some humor in the situation if I was K as and I would just go sit right beside you like in the seat right next right next to him and hand him a soda. Hey Jerry. Just start hanging out. What do you think of the game? They lost to Utah last night. They scored on their own net at one point.

It was not a good scene for Terry Pibbula on the Buffalo Sabres. What is he going to get? I don't think he's a hockey guy. I understand he's a business guy. What is he going to get from being on the road? I don't get it. I don't know. How they operate? Like, what are we talking about here?

I think it's face. If anything, it's face to face with some of the guys that you have to make hard decisions on. And Kevin Adams, maybe it's take him for lunch and say, what's the vision here? Because you got 60 points this year, whatever it is. They haven't made the playoffs in 14 years. you don't think he's had what's the vision conversation he's had I think he's had probably a hundred and fifty

of those or maybe more I don't know but I think at some point something has to give there and it just they brought Lindy back and Lindy Ruff is a tremendous person a great coach all of that but it might have been the wrong play and who's he knows aljah and yet it but because that team need structure they need discipline they need a purpose they need all of that all and so they need well i need a lot of things you know they think there's a group chat

with the owner but do you think how many teams in the league where the gm or the president would have a group chat with the owner i Like do you think how many teams in the league where the GM or the president would have a group chat with the owner? I don't think I don't think that's what do you mean? I don't think any. I think there could be if the owner adds you to a group chat. But let's let's use on the group chat. Who's on the group chat? Whoever the owner wants it to be. And that's my point. And if he's like, I want daily updates on the group chat, what's going on? Guess what he's getting? Daily updates on the group chat. Do you know how miserable that existence would be if your team stinks? The owner just every morning texts a question mark and you're like, oh God, he texted me.

Yeah, we're in Utah. Would you write back? Would you write back? I would write back. I think you'd have to though. If you're in a group chat with the owner, if the owner establishes one and wants daily updates of the circus that is your hockey team, I think you'd probably have to have to answer for it. But you probably send back like, you know, the, the emoji, the thumb thumbs down, thumbs down. Yeah, like those those faces, you know, like wow, or your head blowing off.

Never any script, just always emojis. Just emojis like, yeah. With Terry Pagula's group chat. I don't know of, I know of owners that keep in touch with their managers and their presidents quite a bit, but it's, I don't think that's a group chat. I think it's like FaceTime and phone calls going like what are we and and I would believe it's all hours of the night too. Oh yeah. That's I don't think that's like man bad phone they call you got to answer. I know of a scenario where owners they're just I

can't say the scenario but it's the phone calls are just nonstop. Like nonstop. Agreed. I know the same thing of owners, but what bothered me, and this even goes to presidents of teams and stuff, those people are mostly, for the most part, business people. It's different with Brendan Shanahan and guys like that, but there are presidents of teams in that who have zero experience as far as playing hockey.

Oh yeah, majority of them. Because most of them are very strong business minded people, right? But they don't understand the dynamics of hockey and dressing rooms and all of that. So they need hockey people below them. But they talk to people. They'll be at a local bar or at their club or whatever and somebody says to them, you

got to do this. And all of a sudden they get in their head, that's what you got to do. And now they're giving you heck. Absolutely. And going, you got to do this. And you go, thanks, tips. Yeah. Like we've been, you know. Thank you for the go. Thanks tips. Yeah, like we thank you for that You know, there's this McDavid guy. We should try to get keep an eye on this guy

You know when you're doing your pre-scout keep an eye on this McDavid. Yeah, he sounds like he's pretty good We should try to get him exactly. All right, Mike Johnson in about 20 minutes. We'll try and track down how Gil Maybe he's got the team out for scotch. I don't know. That's what he's doing Maybe he talked his bag and he's just bit like he's face down in a barrel of scotch he could be they wouldn't put it past him and we wouldn't blame him either so mike johnson still to come uh erin rogers was in a certain city at a certain facility today we'll tell you about that and vladigrout jr responding to mark chappiro rose very optimistic commentary yesterday will tell you what body had to say on it overdrive continues to yes and at fifty and the tsn out

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Not Hyde Park. So he threw us off early, right? Dude, I would have bet a million dollars it was Hyde Park. I was thinking the same thing, but that's are bad man we were accusing house brother of charcuterie you know baskets and all that good stuff in the park in we were wrong we're wrong about that trinity bellwoods so there you go

calling out for your chance to win tickets i think i thought he was that i didn't think he was at trinity park i thought that you could really was just trying to be a hero. Throw people off. Well, to be honest, he'll bring one of those anywhere. Yes. Well, we are working, we get the wheels in motion for Al's brother to be involved in Masters week.

So we're working on something with the Masters and a Champions Dinner menu and Al's brother and there's gonna be a lot of production I'm sure that we're going to that so we're like two weeks away from go time right few weeks away I guess three weeks away yesterday the tournament starts so we would be right in the swing of things if we jumped into the time machine and went north or went forward into the future it's getting real close to Masters week all right hour two coming up Mike Johnson will join us. Pierre Lebrun still to come. Dear Hazy B as well. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on the TSN app.

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