OverDrive - OverDrive - May 12, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Maple Leafs' defeats against the Panthers, Florida tying up the series with the Game 4 victory, Auston Matthews' decreased production and Joseph Woll's performance in the crease. They also dive into Alex Petrovic's kicked-in goal against Jets, the Oilers' defeat to the Golden Knights in Game 3 and the confidence in Connor Hellebuyck and Stuart Skinner in the crease. 

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All right, here we go, Overdrive, off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker. And up on TSN Plus, Brian Hazy, Oduck, Jeff O'Neil, Jamie Noodles, McClennan. What's going on? How we doing? Hazy B, I need to know where you're at because usually we sprinkle in a phone call here and there possibly a message

Pretty quiet. Yeah, I've been I've been a busy guy man I've been a busy guy on your friends and I'm worried and it's a little bit of a mini hazy bee here But where the hell is your headspace right now talk to me because I'll tell you one thing Mm-hmm don't be like the rest of these goons on Twitter like what kind of fan base are we I get it you talk about the the traumatic history in the past and the losing in the failures and the up for one But it's like the fan base as soon as there's a loss yes we all get it Austin Matthews needs to score a goal but after a loss it just everyone goes nuts and it's like these guys suck it's the core four they can't what if they win tomorrow night and they go down to Florida just go in the building

be a fan base support the team and maybe they get the dub tomorrow night and they can have an opportunity to wrap up the series in Florida. Every single loss in this playoffs, it's all these guys suck. It's like, what are we doing here? Let me counter quickly before you do, O. The mindset is like, well, they needed to win one in Florida and you could wrap it up. And in the sense, it's like, what if Florida's got something now and we're concerned. So there's the 50. I'm not saying it's ideal what happened down in Florida.

Like if they were different and serious about this you would think they would have picked up one. Okay. Right. But to just go off the deep end and it's like they all of a sudden after every loss the team all of a sudden thinks to join out. Let's just be real here. Okay.

Where are you at? Where's Hazen? Here comes the nuclear. No here's just be real here. Okay where are you at? Where's Hazen? Here comes the nuclear tip. No here's what I'd say you can't at all be surprised I mean we leave fans react to a two-game losing streak in November with you know all of these existential questions what are they about are they different is it gonna work the core four you can't be surprised when they lose two in a row in the second round of the playoffs that there's going to be an

emotional swing. You know that's the beauty of the playoffs is that you're I think the emotions are actually justified. They're not in November, they're not in December. That's crazy. You know you blow a lead in the third period against Columbus in November and everyone's freaking out. That is crazy. Second round of the playoffs I think it's a completely different rule book that you're playing by so I have no issue with anyone swinging both ways but I will say I think for the most

part for the most part they played very well through nine games in the playoffs you know it's what are they up to now I guess they're up to ten games in the playoffs I think collectively they played very well I think game three was a great opportunity. They get on the board quick They're up 3-1 on the second period goes to overtime very similar to what happened in the last round Right a game for against Ottawa goes to overtime Sanderson scores. They don't get a bounce. They come back for game five

They're flat and that's what they were last night. Like there's that that's not being overly Critical, I don't think or unreasonable and suggesting that they didn't have a good night. They didn't they didn't play well And now it's a series But I remember us talking about it prior to the series starting that the best In the best interest of the Leafs and the most realistic way for them to get through here is to shrink the series to a best Two out of three. Split the first four games whichever way they possibly land. More frustrating because you got up to nothing and you had a chance to win game three clearly. But if you make it a best two out of three

where you have home ice that's probably the best case scenario against Florida. And that's precisely what's in front of them. And the lucky thing for Austin Matthews and we'll talk about him a lot today and all these players on both sides because you can include Florida here is This is what is really going to count and this is what is really going to be remembered These are the ones now, right? We're not going to remember every detail at game two, you know How many fans know who scored first in game two? I don't know who was it I don't even remember games one and two exactly like it's already behind you and that's the whole point Is that I think what you're sensing and I get it is

It's more about anxiety and nervousness about what's about to happen because this is the main event now, right? This is it. You got a best two out of three the knockout, Florida You get a best two out of three to prove that this is gonna be different. These are legacy moments. Very rarely do you get them where they're so clear cut, so amplified, right? We talk about the whole season, a guy's career, go to his hockey DB page.

This is like three games in what, five nights, starting Wednesday night, this is it. Right here on a platter for you what do you got and uh... you know i i think naturally florida's gonna be favored their favorite to win game five i saw that on vandals morning doesn't mean anything you so got to go play the game

but florida's got up off the mat but they're up and whether the leaf let them up or they'll they'd they'd dragged themselves up is in the eye of the boulder but there are no things last night is and then jamie i think you agree they sure they certainly kind of pissed away a wall performance because i thought he was great last night and i thought he was unreal yeah he was i thought it was great he gave them an opportunity

and haze you had the here what to win with when did you send that tweet out it was the second period tweet wasting of wall performance yeah can't waste the wall the wall the steal a game by Joseph Wall game I know I wasted it in the end I thought the timing of it was was perfect because it actually was the perfect timing to send that out that's that's the I kept thinking it's a one-goal game it's just it's a guy who blows a tire and you know, you set Jones blows a tire and Nice is in alone like that's a tie game regardless of how you arrived at it potentially that happens There were some chances it didn't didn't go their way I've got I thought Bob made a couple big saves. Obviously the breakaway Knives misses it,

but the back door where Marner pokes it off of the stick and gets it to him, that's a great save. Yep. Bobrovsky's gotten off the mat as well. Florida, as much as we looked at a flat Leafs, we looked at a team, Florida, that looked a little bit more desperate in their game, a little bit more measured. The hits, everybody was physical. It was a drag them out game. Yeah. But you know, it's what are you going to do now? A response. And the hardest part, I don't know if two days helps or hurts. Like, because now you got to live with that one.

You know, does it does it help you to reset, recalibrate? Or does it hurt that you want to get right back at it and play again tomorrow? I don't know how that question that's a very good question i guess we won't get the answer until we get here on wednesday but you know the lease on home ice through two rounds have been great like outside of game five against ottawa they they played great you know and they've controlled the series and i think again yesterday was an outlier from the previous three games where i thought the leaves played really well you know the first three games and I think it had been a thoroughly entertaining high-scoring crazy series so far and

then last night you know the four power plays in the first period that's impossible to overcome energy vampire yeah absolute energy vampire and that's the truth is that the Leafs just never got going after that I thought thought they showed some urgency in the third, thought they played a pretty good third period and that's when Bob was tested at the most. But the first period you hand over four power plays, they're going to score on one of them, they do, and then it's one nothing and the reality is in Florida, is if they generally if they score first or if they get to the intermission with a lead you're in big trouble Yeah, they go up they enter the third period with a lead

Yeah, they're way they're way too comfortable and they're way too good with the lead That's the truth and that needs to be the lesson easier said than done but I think that's what was kind of again on the line last night is Leaf fans are watching all these other teams and all these other fan bases experience these wild outcomes. We just saw it last weekend, right? Dallas down 2-0 in the third of a game seven, they come back. Winnipeg down two in the third of a game seven with three minutes left, they come back and

win it. That's what I think Leaf fans were waiting for last night, fairly or unfairly. You're like, just come out flying and steal one. And then you come back with a split, but it didn't happen. And you got to give credit to the opponent because Florida is a really good team. And maybe those magical moments are still forthcoming for the Leafs. That's what you're waiting for. If you're going to get 16 pucks in that little plastic thing that every team's

got to have in their locker room, you've got to steal a couple. Obviously, the ones you just mentioned, Hayes, are the ultra-dramatic, where it's like a bizarre old world and incredible performances. But I'll tell you one thing, if anybody on the Maple Leafs who's looking to score a goal, and we all know who we're talking about, things are not going to change with the Florida Panthers. They decided after game two that the party was over and the odd man rushes and the stupid stuff is going to stop. They had, they weren't on their terms in game three necessarily and they pulled it out, but game four they dictated on their

terms and it was like four stumps, physicality, swarming, time and space, it's all gone. jumps, physicality, swarming, time and space, it's all gone. So, and it's crazy. I said it last night on Sports Center, it's crazy how confidence is such a big thing in the playoffs. Like one overtime goal, which was a fluky goal, and it was like boom, they snapped out of it and they became the Florida Panthers again. Because they, and now it's like it clicked for them and they've kind of got their code back so watch out it's not going to get any easier it's not like the Leafs are going to be flying up and

down the ice tomorrow well and that's I think again speaking to the mentality of Leaf fans and everyone's different is you're not playing Ottawa anymore like Ottawa was inexperienced they're young they're trying to figure it out. You're playing the polar opposite of the Ottawa Senators. Like Florida has been to the dance, they know exactly what's coming their way, they're incredibly comfortable, they're very confident, they've got a goalie that they can rely on even when he was giving up a million goals the first three games. They never flinched, they never looked at Bob like what's this guy doing man, this guy's killing us.

They always believed that at some point he would arrive and I didn't think he got overly tested last night. But you know, I think what you're saying there always a reality yet, you know, this is what has been at the forefront for the Maple Leafs in these big moments in the past where teams are gonna clog up every possible lane. They're gonna make it as difficult as possible, but guess what? You still got to score and you still got to win. Like, you know, the Austin Matthews discourse right now to me is fascinating because I just, I never in a million years would have expected some sort of debate on whether or not you expect Austin Matthews to score. Like, how big is the bingo card where that would have to be on it? Like, I just, I can't believe that,

like, and there's so many people carrying water for him that, well, he's still doing this and he's injured, but we have no idea. He's playing, he's playing 22 minutes a night. He's killing penalties. He's blocking shots. He's taking draws. He's out there. Right? That's what you expect everybody to do. Yes. You have to do that. Like I just, I'm, that is what has been frustrating for me, is the amount of debate on whether it's necessary to expect Austin Matthews to score is insane to me.

Whoever is carrying the water needs their head examined. He has to score. That's exam. He has to score. That's it. He has to. Like it's very simple. That's why there's certain guys lower in the lineup and they always say the most difficult to do in the game is score goals. Why certain guys make 1.7 million

and he makes 13 because he does the hardest thing the most often. And he makes it look easy at times. So he could have a good game and be sound positionally and win face-offs and kind of win puck battles. He could do that hung over and at 40% of health. He could look good out there in an NHL game.

So it's like, I don't know what people are, I don't know what they're trying to prove saying, oh, he's doing all these other things to impact the game. Game six in Ottawa he was a positive player he was all over the ice. And he scored. He scored the first goal that game. Right? Like he got the party started game six in Ottawa.

That's all you're asking. I'm not saying you got to score a hat trick every single night. He's played Florida nine times in the playoffs in the last you know dating back to 2013, 2023 hasn't scored yet. Yeah. And he doesn't look dangerous to me. Like he doesn't look like he's on the verge of breaking out. times in the playoffs in the last, you know, dating back to 2013, uh, 2023 hasn't scored yet. Yeah. And he doesn't look dangerous to me. Like he doesn't look like he's on the verge of breaking out.

That's exactly right. We had the opportunity last night where it's like he kind of wait, if you wait for Bob to come out and challenge you like that, he's going to stop the puck. Yeah. Like that looked to me like a quick release and then take your chances there. Yeah. He, he overthought that one and what he needs to do is separate from being, you know, we say it all the time, the best goals score on the planet, we don't want

to have a little asterix beside it saying regular season. Right, exactly. He needs to just be paid the best goal score on the planet at any time. And that's, you know, that's where the separator is right now. Somebody said that to me I can't take credit for you know doing that but it's just in the end, you know We know what he's capable of in the regular season. There's more time and space Maybe you know, you've dust the puck off all of these types of things in the playoffs. You just talked about it Oh, it's it's reactionary. It's quick. There's no ice You know free everything's contested it's quick to you there's no ice uh... you know free everything's contested

he has to break through and show that he can be the best goals that score on the planet in the playoffs because he doesn't have that mantle he doesn't there's other guys that he doesn't you know you know i weeks there's a guy i thought there's a guy in his line there's a better play of goals for them and that's the reality of what what has happened here and it's it's more than and I want to stress this,

that's more of a tire pump towards Matthew Nyes than anything else. When I look at that line and I'm thinking, okay, offense is coming, it's Nyes that I think is going to do it. Like Nyes last night, again, he created the breakaway. He had that backhand backdoor from Marner that Bob made a great stop on in the third

he played more minutes than any other forward last night i think that's for a bit sand exactly what i'm saying totally divided offense it's this guy that's going to give it to me that shouldn't be the case his like nice nice play really really well he's playing he's played phenomenally well but he's he is he's he's two years in the league.

He's number three on that line. And he's the third guy on that line. Yes, exactly. He should be the bonus where it's like, man, look at this line. Look at this. These guys are all contributing and they're an unstoppable beast. But when I look at that line and who scored the winner in game one? Nice. Who scored the big goal against Ottawa on that breakaway it that was game three i want to say nice like that's who it is but what i think it when i i look at that line on like this one's gonna make some happen i think twenty three is going to be the one to do it

and and that's an incredible testament to how that kids played he's been phenomenal and the one thing that's that that he established himself if you look at the way that Marner and Matthews are getting from point A to point B, it's like nice gets boogie in. You know what I mean? He has those energy bursts where there's that separation because when things are bogged down like that, that speed is what helps him separate to get to lose pox, to get in on four checks, to separate himself from a defenseman and get clear It seems like I don't know if Craig Borubei would contemplate me possibly making a switch putting

Nylander with with Matthews and Nyes because they got to switch up something to kind of change the chemistry Because if you just continue to go back and you're seeing the same results It's like shame on me for not making a change there So maybe they just need a different look get a different matchup just to get a fresh look. But now Matthew's from getting from A to B, it just seems like he's blending in and they're bogging him down. He needs to find some kind of hopper.

You always use the word pop, hey? He's like there's not a pop to him right now. Yeah. And you know what? Getting on home ice and getting away from a matchup too. I mean that's the other thing. Paul Maurice, those guys did a job on them. And I talked about the physicality, I talked about the greasiness and that was both sides. Both teams are high hits, hits from behind and all of that type of stuff.

But it's who's going to step up and who's going to shrink. And that's really, every piece of ice was contested last night and the Leafs didn't have their goods. They just didn't have it. And the goalie gave them an opportunity to steal one and, you know, lucky bounce power play goal, you know, nice breakaway where Jones falls down. There were opportunities to tie the game, to get ahead in the game. It came up short, but you got an opportunity on Wednesday In your own building to have the juice to get the matchups that you want. You got to have a Response game what worries me and this is the wrong wording because he's played very well, but Joseph Well, what if he has an average or below average game cuz he you know, he had an unbelievable one last night

Well, would you be like I I haven't heard anything on Stollers, but if he's bombing around skating tomorrow, where do you... Like if he got the green light between now and game five, who's playing? I would start Joseph Wall. He has not been the reason why he lost the last two games. Yes, he didn't. The fourth goal, was it the fourth goal? The wrist shot from the blue line. That was a bad goal. Tipped by Gadjiewicz, I think, in the end. But yes, bad goal. Can't go on.

Bad goal. You know, like, he gave up a bad goal in game three. Yeah, it happens. But in the end, if you look at Joseph Wall and said, hey, how has your goaltending been in this series? I don't think you've had a problem with it. I really don't. So I think game five is Joseph Wall regardless, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't know if Stolars just gives him a different look, a different confidence, all of that, but from what he did last night, he should not lose the net. That's the way I look at it.

Yeah, no, I agree. I thought he played really well, but you bring up a very valid point like he you you know this is this is what you're risking as the the series goes deeper now can also go the other way and i have bob was a very good the first three games he was right last night but maybe the least made it easy on last night and they don't in game five any gives up for gives up five again if that's the case then the

least of dancing at that point and if you get better matchups at home i mean um again I think collectively over the 10 games the Leafs have played in the playoffs they played really well I think that they deserve the benefit of the doubt that last night was more was an outlier and they'll they'll and it's not like they got destroyed again the first period was you give up four penalties you're in big trouble and then they're chasing the game and Florida was in control and Florida understood They had to win that game last night. They had offensively for Florida It's like they're getting beat by Bennett and Verhagy. Yeah and Marshann in that third line. It's not like Reinhart and

Barkoff and Matthew Kachuk are completely torching these guys. That's what we're talking about here Verhagy Bennett and that third line. Yes, that's right And like Bennett Bennett shut the lights off on the game last night. Like that was, and in many ways in game three, like tying the game up, he made that brilliant play to Verhagy on the two on one. Um, you know, I, I, let's be honest, it's a bad look, not, it was poorly played. Like McCabe and Tana have ending up in the position they ended up in. Yeah, but how they got there is total Florida Panther hockey. We got a one goal lead

let put five guys on the blue line and force these guys into doing something stupid and that's exactly what they did and they went the other way. Yeah that that's exactly why their record is 24-0 when leading after two periods because they sit back and say okay you guys are frustrated try something there but let's be real here that was played horribly like two guys falling on one guy. You can't have that. You can't have two guys, so that's that. A.Z.D.

and Barry would be directing traffic. It was McCabe's fault. If you actually see, Tanev points to him. Tanev points to McCabe and says, you take, if you can play it again, Joe, he points to McCabe and says, you take Bennett. I've got the back door, watch him here. He points to him, go there, you got him, I'm going to go back door. McCabe doesn't see the point.

He's focused on getting back, trying to take away that pass. They both end up on the same guy. So Bennett goes, it's a miscommunication by two veteran guys. It happens. But that's the difference. It's a small detail. And Bennett, even in his media afterwards, he said, I took what they gave me. He goes, I was thinking pass, but now they were gone.

So it was a great play by Bennett. It was a poorly played play. But oh, you talked about it. That's picked off because I think Ekblad stepped up right on the blue line and poked that away. Yeah. Now it's a 50-50 race down the wall and Bennett wins on McCabe. So that's what happened. Yeah, no, exactly. They caused a mistake and then they buried you for it. And that's what comes with the Florida Panthers when they have the lead, especially later in the game.

That's the way they're going to play. And the Leafs are aware of it. And I understand why the Leafs were trying to create something. You try to gamble a little bit to you try to gamble a little bit You try to cheat a little bit, but the game will get you and that's that's what happened last night So we we move ahead towards, you know Wednesday night game five Wednesday night We'll look ahead to that But it was a crazy weekend because what you don't want is to look back on game three and think that was the chance you know like they had they scored 23 seconds into it

they're up to nothing they're up 3-1 it gets to overtime and it just gets away from them and you know this is this is why you play a best four out of seven because there's gonna be ebbs and flows all right we've got we got Carlo Coliacvo coming up in studio. Carlo will join us in studio at five. We've got CJ who was down there in Florida all weekend. He'll join us later this afternoon. Kevin Lowe coming up, game four in Edmonton.

What a crazy weekend for the Oilers, for the Jets. Some crazy stuff that came out of the weekend. I gotta tell you guys, I'm getting phased out of the analyst position because I don't even understand what the hell's going on. I was sitting in the green room last night with little Jimmy and he said that puck, Halibuck didn't didn't hit it into the net and then he looked at me and he said he propelled it. I had to say, Jimmy doesn't know I had to take I had to walk away because I'm like, that is a kick puck towards the net and it ended up in the net, therefore it's no goal.

How they came up with that this guy propelled it, I don't even understand that. That's what Duffy said to me, he goes, I propelled it though. I just wanted to walk away, I said I can't do it. There was some stuff going on this weekend like last night like I I don't know hey I know we got to go we could come back and get it it was I thought it was a kicked goal I have a different viewpoint on it I'm gonna let me take a break take a break and I'll go toe-to-toe with you like perfect we're going to go out how about this one Carolina the Washington guys stuck the guy at his own player in the eye and now ref's arm goes up and he's

like two minutes ice-ticking. I know there was some goofy stuff going on over there. There was some stuff going on. Alright we'll re we'll settle the the beef on the goofy stuff over the weekend. We'll do that. You can be you can be DeBoer and I'll be Arneal. I'll be Pete. I'll be Pete.'ll be Pete yeah Pete versus our Neil we'll do that next all right overdrive continues powered by FanDuel bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score so we've got game four in Edmonton tonight game four down in Carolina tonight and game four will be in Dallas tomorrow so we've got a lot of hockey

over the next two nights the Leafs don't play again until Wednesday the Jays are off the Jays are red-hot they've won four in a row they just swept Seattle everything's all good on that front we got the draft lottery tonight where the Raptors are hoping that one of the most dreadful seasons in team history pays off yeah pays off in the end and you know ends up with them winning. I just saw a note that my main dog, Yanis, wants to sniff around on possible fitters outside of Milwaukee and he's tight with Messiah. That was always the dream years ago that that Yanis and Messiah and the

Raptors would come together. I just don't I don't that that Yanis and Masai and the Raptors would come together. I just don't I don't see how Yanis would have any interest in this this current outfit with the way it sets up right now. You know the idea of leaving Milwaukee to come here because you know the trade you're gonna have to ship pieces out you're gonna have to ship you know trade a bunch of draft picks and everything and I just don't know how the Raptors are gonna make it work here compared to other teams. You know, like I saw Windhorst all over ESPN today

saying San Antonio and Houston. Houston was the two seed in the west. Like that's a team that's ready to win. San Antonio's got Wembe. You got Darren Fox and Wembe with Giannis. That's what he's looking at. I don't think he's looking to pair up with Scotty Barnes and Emmanuel quickly, you know, with all due respect. I don't think that's what Jan is going to have in mind.

And Grady Dick and whoever they draft this year. I don't see it, but anything's possible and Messiah is known. He'll be sniffing, man. Messiah will be kicking around. There's no questioning that. All right. So let's do a little role play here because yesterday The Winnipeg Jets end up losing 5-2 to the Dallas Stars not serious is 2-1 right still ebbs and flows of every series It's only 2-1 you got game 4 tomorrow night, but Alex Petrovic who was a gentleman and a scholar I thought made a play last night a man of honor a man of honor And you know he happened to maybe kick the puck in a certain way and it ends up going off hella bucking in and there though the review process was to me and it's law it's saying it's a lot guys I'm gonna

tell you what happened here I thought about it today and this is what went down and this is why everybody just their brains froze okay they got taken away and distracted from the positioning of Petrovic. If this guy was five feet directly in front of the goaltender and kicked it, it's waved off and it's no goal. But he was almost in the corner so everybody said, man, that was crazy that that just kind of went toward the net and in the net. And it distracted them where they're like, I don't know if he was really trying to do that. Yes he was, he kicked it and it wasn't propelled like little Jimmy said.

It was hit in by Hellebock, therefore no goal. It was propelled. I love the word propelled. Jamie, have you ever heard propelled? Why did propelled pop up yesterday? It's Scott O'Neill said the word propel is not in the rulebook It's not You want to hear so I'm in the middle. I want to hear what Hayes has to say and then I'll wait

Before Hayes. Well, did you see Pete trying to scramble his way through the CBA? Like I think in the CV like he started going I'm like, what are you talking about? Real 49.3. And then he followed it up with, so yeah, they got the right call. Yeah, they got the right call. I love DeVore is just like, yeah, I guess we'll both play this game. Here's my, here's the way I would phrase it. One, I do think Petrovic was, he obviously kicked it up.

You could see his stick. He was trying to hit it with his stick. But let me ask you this if take hell about that of this if a defenseman does what hell about did their how would we describe it like what if a defenseman headed into the net yes what do you think doesn't matter and what would we say toward the net that ends up in the net it can't doesn't count because it originally got there from

a kicking motion. But apparently this propelling thing, which again, I haven't studied this as if I'm in law school. Propulsion. Yes. You're going to start using propel. I've never learned it before in my life. I've been doing this for 15 years.

I like it and I think it works if you're a Dallas fan, clearly. But the point I'm making is if a defenseman whacks that out of the air and it goes in you say he scored our zone net a guy scores on that's what hell about did my score on his own net and I think he was trying to play the puck instinctively and he scored on his own net that the thing you're right but in the rulebook actually says the players it's different for the players other than the goaltender stick that actually is in the rule book okay so that's the only thing that i struggle with then you explain why it was that i counted them i have no other explanation it no exactly what you said

is they ruled that that was not that that hellebuck tried to bat it away and put it in his own head i think i i think what he did but here's the thing. A goaltender is allowed to try and make a save. It still went off. If it goes off his right pad and goes in the net, we're calling it no goal because it's kicked towards the net. That's exactly the terminology Jimmy used.

He goes, he didn't bat it into his own net. He propelled it. And I just said that. Right. So this is where... And I think... I'll be honest. I think the league was very clear with their messaging. They said, yes, we agree it was kicked.

Where we disagree with everybody else is we feel Hellebuck knocked it into his own net with his own stick, propelled it into the net. So that's where your logic comes in, Hayes, where if it's a defenseman, a player or whatever and they shoot it in their own net or they pop it in their own net, it's just called a goal. That's where they went. The only thing I disagreed on is it just, I think if you look at Hellebuck, he's losing balance and kind of waving at it, so it's like, okay, yeah, I knocked it in my nut. I don't think it was...

Well, it's a desperate play. I mean, he didn't expect the puck to be there. Right, right. Listen, my general rule in the sport is a tie goes to a goal counting. I don't think it's ever smart business. I understand people in Winnipeg don't want to hear this, but I don't think it's ever good for business to take goals away, to lean towards being conservative and trying to get goals off the board. I also think it's bearing the lead to an extent. I understand that was the 3-2 goal. He also gave up two more. The Jets did. It ended up 5-2. Okay? It didn't end up 3-2. But there weren't multiple empty netters. I know that that was a big,

big turning point in the game. But they lost 5-2. Right? Rantinen comes down and scores a, you know, again. A minute later. A minute later. Yes! I mean, like, that's the thing. Like, make the next stops and then you don't maybe your team gets back into it but i hear you're right and i thought it was the tsn turning of course the game of course i was in the game winner in the end that's the game winner and they fell apart after that because they were rattled or whatever or dalek if dallas credit i mean this ranted and just can't stop and i got nine goals and i'm going to have to assist last night he had a sis miraculously on the petroviq watch and i don't got back that i did my

development for that you know is but this guy is just an absolute machine and you know in the end uh... actually i don't think that i don't think that was the craziest moment of the week and the craziest was riley smith score less than a second ago outrage like that was insane on saturday night for riley smith to score with less than a second ago. That was insane on Saturday night for Riley Smith to score with less than a second ago. You want to talk about goaltenders? Stewart Skinner, man. I don't know. And Pickards hurt. He's not playing tonight and who knows when he's going to play. So that was the Stewart Skinner show, man. It's crazy. How fascinated

are all three of us to watch? Like, Noodle. You're a former goalie and a goalie expert But everyone in the hockey world is good that what a business like look at that ending if the bizarre thing I was in the network The bizarre thing was it looked like in real time It was like that thing like hit a post or something and let's go over time or something And then he starts pointing at the net then you're looking at the replay You're like that guy just go, that's in the net. I was like, that went in.

I could not believe it. Now, if you go back in history, it was this year, Noah Hanifin scored with under a minute left, I think it was 30 seconds left in regulation in Edmonton, same type of goal, but it was just a shot, like it came to him and he came and then he put it glove side and Skinner was kind of came out but was cheating towards the blocker and it went in like a late goal in regulation to ice the game now this one's worth a lot more because it's a playoff game but if you look at it there's three or four mistakes before that like where's the

urgency to cut the guy off in the neutral zone? Where's the urgency to close off the guy on the wall? Then you can see everybody sells out I thought Knoblock did a pretty good job of explaining and goes you manage the clock and he goes everyone thought there was no time So they're just selling out to block the shot and he goes good on Riley Smith Riley Smith made a hell of a play I saw I saw Ranger fans going where the hell i saw i i i saw ranger fans going where the hell was that like there were new york ranger fans going who is that guy because that was a ghost for the year before you know what he did

he darryl sitler that play i was darryl sitler i remember the famous don cherry i went down and fake the shot but he said that if you watch it man he fakes shot and in skinner's out like it's 1974 like the guys at the top of the circles I know mask on my heart life my heart hurt for him yeah like watching him because it is it outrageous that he is 10 feet outside his crease on the goal line yeah and people are like well dry side of a

honest to God if you like look he's not in the creek you can't not in the picture No, he's not in the picture you'd make it an empty net goal Honestly, if you watch that film you'd be like, oh they were losing and obviously that's an empty netter that didn't really matter but they were outrageous and you know what like Tonight like the look on some of the guys faces like McDavid. Yes, I would say this I think Vegas got one there because McDavid's tying goal went off of McNabb skate like there was some Puck luck involved. The Oilers were up 2-0 in that game too. They were but then Vegas turned it on and I thought the Oilers went to

Sleep the game before Vegas was the better team They probably should have won that game So in the end the series should be at 2 two one the difference is the storyline going into tonight steward skinner's o in three calvin pickard six and oh that's great starting tonight uh... something to join brought to you by boston pizza canada's favorite sports for this playoff season boston pizzas planning the parade and as a new all-star playoff menu for you to enjoy for pizza pints and puck drops visit your local boston pizza today

game four in edmonton tonight game for dallas which goalie do you have more faith in? Skinner tonight or Hellebuck tomorrow? Who do you have more faith in? Oh, it's Connor Hellebuck, man. Well, it's Hellebuck. Is it? I mean, I didn't get pulled on. Dude, the guy on the road. Did you not watch what we just were playing there?

I understand, man. I hear you do. The guy was doing gymnastics ten feet from the net. I don't have any faith in either of them on the road I mean how many times do we say before the series? I'll let you know how I feel about Hellebuck game three in Dallas Jamie how do you give up a five spot? I win the heart trophy and he's having a difficult time on the road like I don't know I mean last night I will say this last night like I didn't I didn't think that the problem was Hellebuck. Yes, they gave up a five spot I just think they fell apart again after they give up that goal which was not her you know a goal or not a goal regardless it got counted

but in the end like i even said on the panel like well there was a silver lining you made it through the game because he has a even pulled three times on the road in the three previous road games all saint louis guys they're out of bullets i said it the other day. Like the Winnipeg Jets, if Scott Arneal has to say one more time, we just completely folded and lost our game, they're

going to have two feet out the door now, not just one. Well, tomorrow's critical, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like there's how many? I've never seen a coach in the playoffs say we just didn't have it, we lost it, it's not on Hellebuck. They need to find their game ASAP and their best game, because if they don't they're done

They're toast. Well Dallas is I mean, they're a machine and this ranting and just doesn't stop like Hayes that wouldn't you say give them the cons might write? Yeah, they may lose this round. You might win the cons my Executive team in Colorado must just not even be watching that Oh, you gotta be on the golf course just not even paying attention like exclusively Golf Channel prepping for the PGA you can't be watching that because it just like you do see Nas and Kadri's tweet over the weekend. I loved it. By the way let's not forget one thing he was referring to himself. Oh yeah I think he was too. So Nas tweets out after Dallas wins on Saturday or yesterday

Sorry rule number one you always keep the dogs now. He did say hashtag 96 So yes, he was talking about himself And he's damn right too because he was a massive part of that team So that's what I say It's like everybody has all this magic ideas like this guy that scored 23 goals for another team We got to bring him in we got to pay him and then we got to pay this other guy that we know nothing about when you got NAS sitting there and whatever reason NAS probably wanted a bunch of money they just won the cup but there it is rule

number one you always keep the dogs hashtag 96 he should have put hashtag 91 on maybe it's a typo maybe he tried to put i'd like to one i would be great if he did kiss but i loved it i loved it it's a little spice and he's damn right yeah now that you know you're not right now what here's the thing though

two weeks ago we would be like what were we saying about me go ranted like that's the crazy thing this guy had not settled in in Carolina to the point where I remember on the show, we're going, maybe Colorado is seeing something. You know, it was the not only was he not settled in in Carolina, he was the worst player on the ice when he wore that. He was invisible.

Right. Invisible. But that's where, you know, a couple weeks ago, it's funny how a narrative could change because people are like, oh, he couldn't skate in Carolina, hasn't settled in in Dallas. Man, they got to, you know, they dodged a bullet. And now the guy is leading the playoffs and dominating every night. He's got to be leading the playoffs comfortably, doesn't he? I think he's got four or five points on other players. I'd have to look but I I know Nylander was right up there and and well McDavid's been

rocking up points yeah he's got Dry Saddle. Rantanen's got 18 points, McDavid's got 16, Nylander 15, Dry Saddle 15, Kyle Connor 13. So yeah he's got he's got the lead right now which is natural and um you know he's leading in goals too he's got he's got the lead right now, which is natural and you know, he's leading in goals, too He's got nine goals. What's interesting is the the guy who's second in goals in the playoffs is Nathan McKinnon And he's no longer even in the playoffs But yeah, anyway, all right, Carlo Kolyakovic coming up in studio in 15 minutes on his take from the weekend We'll get into what happened at the end of the game the Domi stuff We'll get into the Marner stuff from Kulikov as well.

There was a lot of nastiness in the game last night. We'll touch on that. And we're chugging towards game five on Wednesday night. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN Plus. Gentlemen, to our colleague JP, who is roaming the streets in Japan. Yes, he is. JP JP if you're listening we want

updates, picks. He's not listening. I need to know what JP's up to over there. See where was he flying into? Tokyo? Like and then just running amok in Tokyo for a while and then. Dude that guy's I guarantee you he gets up to some weird underground like video game meetups. He's into video games Yeah, he's deep into it. He's got a lot of things to cover over there. No, no question about that He'll be in a place called Rapungi just enjoying himself. There's some great bars there English speaking people you'll be able to just get right into it. It's awesome. Yeah, Japan's high on the bucket list, man I've never been over there, but that would be a cool spot to

get to that's for sure I'll have to pick JP's brain when he gets back make sure I do exactly what he's doing exact opposite of what he probably the exact opposite well he's got his new balance monarchs and he will be cruising the streets yes he will those he warmed those things up for a weeks and he will be cruising the street. Yes he will. He warmed those things up for a week prior and he is grooving it over there. Yeah he's on fire. JP is currently on fire and we cannot wait to hear all about it when he returns home in a couple of weeks. The Overdrive PJ picks are brought to you by TaylorMade Performance Lab. For a limited time use the promo code TSN1050. That's the promo code TSN1050 to save on your fitting

fee book now at TaylorMadeGolf.ca you gotta get up there to the TaylorMade performance lab best guys going best crew they'll take care of you make sure you're dialed in with all your clubs none of us had Sepp Stracca this past weekend and he is a machine on tour this year. Dude I don't know what it is about the guy like it's an awful thing to say but he's kind of a buzzkill of top yeah yes yes you know i mean it's like they got all this star power they're like cashmere keith and rory and laurie and this guy just goes about his business he's turned into a world-class players great lot yeah i will not deny on that but i don't know he

used to rock the squares and that turned me off and there was just he gets it done though he's just not I don't know he's a little great grinder out there man and that's the truth like and in the square shoes you can't over a guy he doesn't wear them anymore I know he's got the adidas shoes going and everything looks good but the squares if you ever bring the squares on tour you can never you can never get over that but this guy he's already a lock to make the Ryder Cup like he'll be an auto bid. He's already in he doesn't even have to compete I don't think he just won yesterday. Do you know how many you know many victories that is for him? That's four I think this for back. Yes, not not this year, but total Oh total set struck has won four times on tour. He's won at least twice then this year if not three

This is a second win this year. Yeah, so the guys on and you're right you got Thomas you got Lowry you had Cantlay you had like big dogs chasing them the guys on fire so not none of us had Straca I had Fleetwood who t10 again I had Thomas they got Lowry didn't they I think I had a bunch of guys in the t5 but I couldn't get over the top with a win and we're gonna have some big picks later this week because PGA Championship at Quail Hollow, cannot wait for that. The Overdrive PGA Picks brought to you by the TaylorMade Performance Lab.

For a limited time, use the promo code TSN1050 to save on your fitting fee. Book now at TaylorMadeGolf.ca. Yeah, it does feel like it's Rory versus Scheffler. We've said that a lot over the last year and a half, but it's that's up for that Mac Hughes yesterday getting totally jammed up at Myrtle Beach He had that man. He had it and he flares his tee shot on 18 left And he has to punch out and he like he had two putts like get a putt to win it on on the 72nd hole

He's putter. It's as good as anybody on tour and he just missed it. I don't understand Hayes, like Max obviously a tour player one of the best players in the world he hits a 285 yard three wood why not just blast that thing out there and make a four? Well look what happened the longest hole in the world. No look what happened to him on the playoff hole he hit it into the trees in a bounce back and he still had only one forty exactly exactly but you get the middle of that green at worst you hit like a a pitching wedge in at worst and uh... he just to got away from a man in harry higgs was in it and ryan fox

chips in the final win that tournament levels really easy. I know he is his credit That was a great shot But that's the beauty of golf and like a match play scenario like that off the tee you thought Fox is done Like he's he's out It's between Higgs and Hughes and sure enough the guy chips in from just off the green ends up winning the tournament But Mack will be there at Quill Hollow this week, and that's his home course like that's where he plays And lives down there in Carolina.

It's crazy though a guy's home course you would think he'd go out there and just tear it up it just never works like that. No it's maybe even more pressure to do that right but yeah it's gonna be a great week so we'll have more picks and more analysis throughout the week. Hour two coming up Carlo Kolyakov his take on the end of the game Max Stoomey on Kulikov on Marner what he took out of the game last night How it sets up for game five on Wednesday night lots of other NHL games in action as well including two playoff games tonight So Carlo coming up into our to Kevin Lowe still to come later this afternoon overdrive continues

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