OverDrive - OverDrive - May 13, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jamie McLennan and Jonas Siegel for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys dive the Maple Leafs' mentality for Game 5 against the Panthers, the lack of Toronto's depth scoring and the team remaining with the same lines and play Confirm or Deny. They also discuss MLB reinstating Pete Rose to become eligible for the Hall of Fame, Jayson Tatum's Achilles injury against the Knicks and the Mavericks winning the NBA Draft Lottery. 

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thanks its presenting partners Sun Life and official partners Air Canada and MasterCard. Tickets at Cirque du Soleil dot com. All right, here we go over Drive, off and running, TSN 1050 on the TSN app, and your home smart speaker Brian Aze, Jamie Noodles, McClennan, and there's Jonas Siegel of The Athletic in here this afternoon. What's up, Jonas? What's up, guys? How are we doing, Jonas? The last time I talked to you guys was before I was leaving for game three.

How did your lunch go? At the airport, great. Yeah. Yeah, I did a sneaky move. Oh yeah? I got it on. Perfect. But you guys were feeling great.

Yes. Now I wonder, how are you feeling? Well, not as great. Not as great, I can tell you, man, I'm having flashbacks to Friday night because when the Leafs are up two-nothing, when any team is up two-nothing and in the driver's seat of a series,

especially an important one, a second round against a great opponent, it's this sense of calm that just feels so foreign, right? Like all of a sudden you're like, I'm jacked up for the game. And then Nye scores 23 seconds in and you're like, this is actually like the parting of the seas. Like the Leafs are here, they're here to play. Then it's 2-0. And then at one point it's three one And then I thought they had a great third period on friday night riley scores and they persevere and they get to overtime

And of course brad marshan of all people find the luckiest of bounces To end it and even with that being the case. I found this the the viewing experience going into sunday From a leaf perspective, very comforting. All good, you went down to Florida for a split, you're in a good spot. The way, I think it would be a different feeling today if those two games reversed. In other words, if Florida played the way they played

in game four, but did so in game three, and then the Leafs bounced back with a great game four, and it's a coin flip, and you're like, okay, they got over it I think what is is has been difficult for Leaf fans is That you got a two-day break and the last time you saw it. It was a classic Florida Panther game and The Leafs didn't get their split and now the first four games are largely irrelevant And it's the best two out of three and this is when it really starts and now all the stats are showing up of Mitch Marner and

how many points he gets in games five through seven compared to one through four and Jonas has got a tattoo on his forehead here in the studio and Matthews in big games and are they gonna change up the lines and what's going on with Stolar's so it's a very different. Long story short, it's a different approach today than it was on Friday. Different vibe, yeah. Before you were flying down there. Different vibe.

And you know, actually I never thought of it that way. Had you flipped the games, then it's like, okay, that game isn't overtime, it's coin flip. You know, the thing is, is outside of the last game, like there's been some weird goals this playoffs. Like the Marchand overtime, the Riley goal was lucky. I mean, he blockers it, it hits knee, you know. There's just so many weird goals this playoffs.

And I think there's a lot of weird storylines, these playoffs. You know, the dry sidle scores on himself with.4. We talked about it yesterday, you know, dry sidle scores on himself with point four we talked about it yesterday you know Stuart Skinner chasing the puck and like there's just been some weird weird things but how you know if you want to have perspective about it I I think if

you started you know if we said what is this series gonna look like I always believed it was going to be long maybe I'm in the minority I always thought oh I think everybody thought that I think always thought it was going to be six or seven games. I think everybody thought that. I think everybody thought that. But what it was like, okay, how you arrive at it, that is a little bit annoying for some people, but you could argue that maybe a bounce or something didn't go... Like, I thought Bobrovsky was terrible for game one. He gave up three bad goals.

Mm-hmm. I thought he gave up one bad goal in game two, but it was the Marner game-winning goal, which you're seeing, I shot good for Mitch, perfect shot, but you know, Bobrowski, his last two games have been better and his last game was better. So you are, if you're a Leafs fan, you're concerned about, well, is this guy getting going and has Florida found their game. Now conversely the Leafs have an opportunity to find their game on home ice so I don't think there's a calm there will never be a calm above about us and the fan base but doesn't mean that that team can't be calm. Do you get the impression they're calm you've been

around them a lot? I'm trying to remember what I wrote down in my notes this morning today they felt more upbeat like it felt like actually at the morning skate like you can make whatever you want of these things you're like oh they were tight it was quiet but like the morning skate before game four I remember it felt quiet and I was like are they tightening up but then like they're a goal away most of that game like they could have actually won that game. I struggle with this. Well, if you look ahead, and they were 2-2 after four games, this is where they should be. But it's like, it was 2-0. That game three, like that's the one if they lose a series, you'll look back on

you like, man, yes, 3-1 lead, had real chances in overtime to win that game. And it's like, that's like that game is right there for you. Yeah. And you win that game in the series is over and it's. Yeah. Now, now we find out like you guys have been talking about, we've been talking about, oh, this team's different. And I think there's a degree of truth to that. I think the resilience that they've shown in a lot of these spots has felt different. But now you get to prove it.

Like if you are actually different, the game tomorrow is when you show absolutely And that is I think where it's it's uncharted territory for Leafs fans because they're they're literally gonna play more games than they have And in 20 years in the playoffs, that's crazy Like literally they have we haven't seen a game six in the second round the second round since yeah You know 2020 line that doesn't do thousand here exactly a lot of teams to have a very very hot i thought i read a stat like rod brindle more like eight years in a row and they always get out of the first round they're always in the second very weird but you're right it's foreign

for certain organizations in this one is it is foreign for this group in over twenty years since they've been in a situation where you're extending the second round. So from that standpoint, I think a lot of Leaf fans are just trying to, they're finding their footing here, you know, and yet I think the point you make is an important one. If they have it, they didn't lose it in Florida over the course of three days. Like if you have the makings of a championship team or a team that is capable of beating anybody in a best four to seven and this is as tough as it gets, doesn't guarantee you win the next round or the round after that, but beating Florida is as tough as it gets in the National Hockey League. If you had the makings of doing that, that didn't

get lost flying down to Florida or flying back to Toronto. It is still available to you and you're going to have to prove it. And it was always going to be difficult. And any great playoff run has these ebbs and flows and ups and downs. And let's face it, moments of uber confidence, which I think a lot of people had going into game three. And moments of doubt that I think maybe people have going into game five. But it's on the team to not be swayed by any of that.

The players do not be swayed by any of that. And you go out there and continue to prove it's always been there and it's just a matter of going out there and picking up these wins. And it's the best two out of three and you got home ice. Right? Like that's a very good opportunity. Now, again, they've been in situations where they played deep in the series before again prior to part of this year outside of that florida series two years ago they always go seven but they always seemingly go six or seven even the first year the matthews

mariner they've won they pushed washington six yeah once and then the year after was seven and then it was seven and then columbus it was five in the bubble and it was seven against Montreal like they always go deep in these series They've always been relatively comfortable in the first four or five games in terms of you know Kind of jockeying for position in the series right where they have to prove that They this is different is ultimately in a scenario like this one I was talking against a very good team and I think that's right And I think they haven't figured out that final step yet.

And until they do it, they're not going to be able to know what that is. And maybe it's, I don't know, someone we don't think of. Maybe, what is the most unpredictable thing that could happen tomorrow? Like Pontus Homburg scores the game winner? Something like that. But they're going to have to find something

that they haven't been able to find, whether it's Marner, whether it's Matthews, whether it's someone lower in the lineup matthews whether someone more in line up right now the most unpredictable thing is austin matthews scoring the winner way things are going on i don't think that come on because he's got three goals in twenty games like i understand that is true

while you're a numbers guy i am like yeah of course i am so i i i can't like the numbers I can't expect him to score but that's what I'm just saying But you just said the most Unexpecting thing right now. That's not though, right? I know you're saying he's setting the table that that's now I expect him to score tomorrow or another I thought he would the other night the game before that But the point being is you can expect all you want you're right the most unsuspecting guy would be Bobby McMahon for me right now with 20 goalscorer yeah you know is

finding his game still but when you look at it it you know we should go okay regardless let's say it's a four three game tomorrow you would expect Matthews have scored in that game right you would expect now on the other side Reinhardt Reinhardt hasn't found the back. Oh one goal. Yeah, right. So I'm sorry Yeah, he does have the one goal Barkov has won Matthew Kachuck is zero Mm-hmm, you know, it's stuff like star power usually cancels each other out. So it's like, okay, who's farther? Well, if that's the case, then I don't know how they win the series Well, I guess like their bottom two lines. I just don't know who's gonna score I wasn't being a dink when I said that.

I was stating the fact that like, you said the most unsuspecting, right now, it just, according to the numbers, it would be Matthew scores the winner. And we go, okay, all is good. Like you go, okay, this guy found it when he needed it. As opposed to, hey, what's going on? And there's articles and going, hey Matthews, and here's the numbers and all I'm sure you've written

about it. I literally wrote it the other day, yeah of course. So I mean that's the it's not unsuspecting but it would be a nice bonus right now. It's well it is go ahead Brian. No go ahead. Well I was gonna say like you just you know flippantly said no one from the bottom six can supply offense I don't think that's valid or true. I mean I I didn't. Is that what I said? Well, you just, you were, they have one goal in the series. Like, no, I understand that. Can you expect them to score? Could they score? Of course. Should they score? Yes. Did I expect them to score? No. The fourth line for Florida, I believe, has at least one. Yeah. They change their whole, they change their whole line. Who has it? Gajdjivic. Like any, they're every, all 12 forwards for the Leafs have more offensive ability

than that guy. He scored a goal to his credit. But the point is, I've noticed this the last couple of days, the bottom six again, they suck. I don't believe that. I don't think that's true. It's factual. What is the case that they haven't been effective? Well, Max told me, did he score an OT winner in the last round? That was last round. Okay, but Jonas, we're in the second round! But they've played 10 games. Like I hear, I understand what you're saying, but they're getting a lot in this round. They're getting off from their defense. They're getting crushed when they're on the ice and they don't score. So what do they do? Okay, so what would you suggest

they do? I would have changed what they're doing. I would have brought in Robertson. I would have tried to get that Robertson McMahon Domi combination that like once every seven games Ten games twelve games had a night and just hope that they get a night because the way they're doing it is who's gonna score Well, who's calling out for you then yarn crow? So I had I would have put camp in as well and I know that's probably too much for them, but I would have taken out either yarn croc or homework and just tried to bet on like Robertson and Domi and Robertson have chemistry you're playing like you're playing homework with Domi who's not now he's gonna score for sure in game well

you know it's like you're not really giving max Domi like we're 12 minutes in and we're arguing about the fourth line yeah really exactly I know and that's the point I'm trying to make like anyone claiming the reason there's an issue If there's going to be an issue is because the bottom six again is absurd when Austin Matthews doesn't score or Mitch Marner doesn't score I'd also argue Max patch already. He is scored now when he's been up technically on the second line That's a depth guy that didn't start this he didn't start air playoffs He was there 13 forward right right and they're getting offense from their defense a lot of it from their defense Which is something they weren't so it's not gonna be a perfect like First line gets ten goals second gets eight third. That's not the no anything ever works

But both things can be true You can need more from your bottom two lines and your star players also have to come through like they are donation of all of it Sure, I'm just saying I don't think it's impossible to believe that Max Thome could supply another big course I think he can I think he can and as much as Florida Florida's third line has been very very good they've been the best line in the series exactly but what is that is not a shot at the other top lines that they're getting outplayed by them and the Matthews line went up against them a lot

in Alaska you're right they still couldn't break through that. Yeah, you're right about that. So the other thing too is you come back to unsuspecting it always is. We didn't have who had Simone Benoit. That is the most unsuspecting. The winner. That's a crazy one. You know, this was the lowest scoring defense of core in the National Hockey League that all of a sudden has found some goals. Now again, Chris Tanev, he's barely made it to the back of the net, but he found a goal, you know. In the end, it is the stories write themselves and sometimes it is, hey, it's an unsuspecting guy. Sometimes it's just, hey, you know what, that, a top guy, a star player is allowed to have a good game and deliver a win as well.

are players allowed to have a good game and and deliver a win as well you know ask you know as his ranting and guy who just lost gaurav and that would be my stance of yes every series is it's different it's a blank canvas right but the for the first player to score the whole class was all record larson he scored multiple goals benoit has scored no two winner and set up an o t winner to max domi has scored an OT winner and set up an OT winner to Max Domi. Tanev has scored, Morgan Reilly has scored at a very very good rate. I guess my point is through ten games I don't think the depth scoring has been an issue. I don't think it has. I think Max Petruetti has contributed goals. You know, would you, am I

holding my breath that Lorenz scores? No I'm not. That Pontus Holmberg does. to delineate between the series don't you like that? Yes, that's valid doesn't matter I think it's that I think I think there's validity to that. But again, I think you look at Florida You know there there they've literally flipped over their fourth line like to the point where Maurice was like I don't like this But maybe that's where he's going is like maybe maybe that's what I'm saying like let's change something but it doesn't appear as if he's going to do that. It doesn't look like it and you could yeah. Sorry we talked about it in the first round don't change it they won the and and what do they do it's like a subtle Robertson you're out and Pacioretty's in and they find you know and then Pacioretty finds something maybe there is a slight adjustment that gives again, it's not going to you're not messing with the top nine players will call it with we believe that there are cemented in stone,

but it is their adjustment that could maybe give a different look. Yes. I think you see it throughout the league. Again, Mcgavin and Dreissel aren't coming out, but but you know, it was Kaepernick went in for Arvidsson last night. He didn't score, but he played well. He was physical, he was a big body, or a bigger body that could skate.

Same thing, stature, smaller defenseman, goes in for Emberson. Slight adjustments. What you're saying is that it looks like Chief is gonna go with the exact same lineup of games three and four. Yes, he could always change, but like he talked today about not really loving the Matthews, Neylander combination, he barely used it.

So it's like, it's hard to really say like you've tested it out. That's the move I would have made just to try to change the lookup, try to get Matthews, Neylander play them together. Right. Neal has been their best player in the playoffs. Try and see if that gets something else, if it doesn't go back. Because now if like the same thing happens in this game and you don't change it it's like then you're not really you're not going to change it for game six and then you're you're basically kind of stuck with it I guess. You can always change. What are

your thoughts? I mean he isn't a... Craig Berube is not a guy who where the lines go into the blender that much during the game where you see other coaches and it's This guy needs an extra shift. This guy finds another shift, you know, john cooper same thing You know his movers like it's all the time right? It's there's a lot of movement Greg berube puts the guys on the ice and he trusts them to do the job I think you got to stay consistent with that though. Don't you? Like berube one of the big benefits of, I think, what he represents is this calming presence, is, you know, breathing confidence into his group. And if he starts flipping things around and pulls a blender out, you

know, the players are gonna be like, what the hell are you doing? It's two-two in the series. Yeah, you haven't done it all year. It's two-two in the series. You know, I think it's different. a blender is different from you know robertson you're going in and we are in home birds coming out or whatever that that's depth rearranging i don't like what i'm seeing so i'm gonna give somebody else an opportunity right clearly

or obeyed just does not see the value of met anyone but matthews and marner playing together now i do wonder if the apart of what his thinking is and i i think again it's it's were were getting caught up in the bright lights of matthews and marner and all that chatter which is very worthy of being talked about right and we've done it you've written about it everyone's talking about those two guys

but if nais is playing as well as he is what do you want to upset that apple card? Like how much of his philosophy for Perube is what Matthews and Marner are doing is allowing this guy to continue to play the way he's playing. Because I would argue, you said Nylander has been their best player, and I think that's true but by a small margin on Nise. Very small in my opinion. And I think you could argue there's been a number of games, including the two in Florida,

where N knives was better and i i think again it's not the best scenario to be in it can change and i think for the least sake it has to or these balance out over the next two or three games but but i think if you're if you're looking at this who do i expect if they win to the next three which two forced to make all the biggest impact on that

neil under new lander knives the next three which two fours do I think will have the biggest impact on that? Neelander. Neelander and Nise. Yeah. I think what you're saying and I would agree Nise is a different player I think Nise is more impactful because he's physical yes. Neelander you notice. That's the game. But I know but Neelander gets 15 points. I'm not disputing that's not a shot at Willie I'm pumping Nise's tire. Neeler is a appoint producer but there's games where it's not there for minutes quiet so he doesn't bring anything else to the tear game five inside our quiet just isn't white

because if it's not there for you are yet you miss an opportunity or whatever that that's what goal scorers do when you are different type of player and you can provide offense but you also provide physicality you are a different type of player and you can provide offense but you also provide physicality, you provide a presence, that's why Knives can be more impactful game in and game out because he plays the same way. Speed, physicality and then you add in the offense. Where the offensive guys, you

know particularly we're just talking Nylander, Nylander doesn't run somebody over in the corner, he doesn't you know he's not overly just talking Nylander. Nylander doesn't run somebody over in the corner. He doesn't, you know, he's not overly physical. He's not, so if his game's not there from an offensive standpoint, you go, geez, he was quiet, he really didn't. So I think that's where you're comparing going, you know, Nylander's been our best player. Well, you could say, I think Knives has been

the more consistent player because he's played the same way every day. And he kills penalties. But that, you know, it's just, that's what the star players are wired about. Whereas, you know, other star players through the league, they play a little bit differently, whether they're more physical, they just they don't they don't need one shot to score. They maybe need two, you know, type of thing. That's that's the way I look at it when with the eight teams that are left, the star players, they all play a little bit differently. They're

not all and you know, we'll call it the three, three and a half, four star players they all play a little bit differently they're not all and you know we'll call it the three three and a half four star players for the Leafs they all kind of play this the same they're very talented skilled wide not overly physical yeah which fair but nice is more consistent when you notice him can I push back on two things sure I love I told I made a promise to my girl I would be nice I would agree with you guys on anything. Please don't do that. Why? Please don't.

I will try. Please be open and honest. Push back. This is a source of honesty. So I think you made a really good point on Barube. The question I have with that is, I think you get in this mindset of, well, if I change it, it's going to send a message of panic to the group. But it's also part of the job.

Like you have to adjust when something is not working. And I think we have seen year over year over year, Matthews Marner doesn't work as good in theory in the playoffs as it does in the, not just, I shouldn't say in theory, it doesn't work the same way in practice in the playoffs as it does in the regular season. And I think they have wedded themselves so much to it without like looking at it in this playoffs and in past playoffs. Like, there's not really been a year where it's like, man, those guys are like, like they're dry set on McDavid. It's never happened. And I wonder if playing Marner away from Matthews also gets Marner into more of a shooting mode. Because when he plays with Matthewss he is always just looking for Matthews and rightly so but he defers but he needs to score too like he's a 30 goal score basically every year no one ever

like it doesn't get talked about a lot but you're right yeah they're not deep enough for him not to be a threat offensively and I just wonder if like maybe you overthink this we have to play Matthews and Martin together why I do agree with you on one set. I don't think changing the lines here or there sends the word panic out. I do think there is a consistency to it and it's how you deploy. Like I would much rather, again, because you're fighting for it all right now. Yeah, like it doesn't matter.

It's not saving it. So I'm like, I can't go, oh geez, you know, I got to keep Willie at 18 or 19. Like, if you can get him to 22, 23, because you need to find an extra shift and, and, and he did that the other night. He did that. Homework comes off or somebody else. That is being creative. That is, is finding, that's finding extra ice time for guys you believe can be difference

makers. That's not panic mode. That's going, hey, we need, I can see something. I've got an offensive zone draw. Homburg you're off, Jorn Kroak you're off, Nylander, Marner. You know, within that, all of a sudden, it's Matthews and Nylander on the ice. You don't have to switch the lines. Okay, line one, we're switching it up to me it's it's Everyone should feel comfortable for the most part in that top six playing with each other because a pretty talented players

So I see other coaches mix and match and find an extra shift It's not a sign of panic what it is is trying to be creative on that particular night going this guy's got a little extra juice I got to find an extra shift for him. That's the only thing I would say. So I would agree with you in that standpoint. It's not a pushback, it's a- Well, no, but that I think is kind of marrying the two in a way because there's a difference between finding shifts during the game

and before the game making the change and committing to that change. Like we've seen it with Verhaggie with Maurice, like he's moved him around a little bit in a serious rodriguez up to the top line is what the men put for hagi down with and i think in large part because bennett in kichuk really quiet for a couple of games there and he's like i'm gonna try to get these guys go on mover hagi down flip them around yeah different look it's one piece but

that that's the thing it's for hagi is the piece moving rodriguez is the shrapnel in a way where it's one piece but that that's the thing it's for hagi is the piece moving Rodriguez is the shrapnel in a way where it's like okay someone else's gonna play go because it's different with Nylander and Marner are so important but also you know unique and play a different style that it's not like it's not as simple as okay I'm for Hagee's the the sauce that's going to get someone else going, I think there's just a different combination that he's dealing with here. And again, I do think it's important to consider the Knives role in all this.

Now Knives is probably going to play north-south and do what he's going to do anyway. And maybe he can play with anybody and it's going to be fine. But you know, you've got to consider that because he's been so effective for them. Who does Knives play best with? Well, to be fair, like they don't have another option, right? The only person who can play with Matthews on that left wing is him, right? Like there's not really another, he's been there all year, like who else would you even play? Like, how's that? What you're doing is marrying the two, then you're going,

Knives, Matthews, and then you slide knee like and just like and find another if you can get a different look go and see if that's something changes but like you look in the series you point out like some of the matchup stuff the Matthews line has won their minutes like goals wise they're outscoring the Panthers the patch ready to various knee underline they're outscoring them like there is reason for him to stick with it like I don't think it's like no half to do it I mean it's a two-two and the matchup thing at home I think will matter like suddenly you don't like in in Florida suddenly Barkov was playing

against Tavares and Neal under and suddenly those guys are quiet well you're in Toronto now you can play Matthews against Barkov and like maybe that opens up something for Neal under you know what I mean like the home ice thing I will matter and obviously they have two home games potentially to win the series. Yeah. Yeah, and I think, you know, Borubi seems to be the kind of guy, though, that will also believe in the philosophy of going to your best players

and just challenging them and saying, you guys, I'm not getting you away from stuff. Go out there and win. Nothing wrong with that. Because there's nothing wrong with that messaging out there. Nothing wrong with top players playing really well exactly that's the other thing and taking it upon themselves in all of this is like you know when you

when you when you have success a lot of times yes it is going to be a guy that is unsuspecting like you say but for the most part the laws of average it's like why did you get through it's because of those players that that guy that guy like we're seeing you see it all over the League and not just hockey every sport. It's not just you know it's it's not like a in hockey It's not a fourth line that dragged the team through a series No, you're always asking your best for you might have but it's your best players that have to play better Well, and that's I think what you're driving on noodles, which is something I'd like to see I don't know if it will happen but

In order to get the bottom six bolstered That's you know finding a shift with Matthews on the fourth line or Marner on the fourth line or Neelander on the fourth line or third line or whatever Would seemingly make sense, but there's been so many penalties as well They're spending a lot of time, you know, short handed on the power play. Like the other night, the first period, Matthews and Marner played a lot, but they're killing penalties. Hard to get into a rhythm.

Yeah, like five on five, you're just not going to find the minutes because you can't play every single shift. And you're defending and you're really, you're in a mindset to try and kill that penalty. You're not in a mindset to get your offensive game going. So yeah, like the rhythm did get jarred last game because of four penalties in the first period. Because you just can't, you can guys get cold on the bench, they lose, you lose, you know, Willie doesn't keep, he doesn't play, so he doesn't play the whole period. You're just sitting there and so it's stuff like that to get into a rhythm and starts

are critical. There's so many things, you know, the goaltender I mean Stoller is skating but I don't believe I mean it's Joseph Wall's net right now yeah it has to be tomorrow night for sure yeah we got confirmed tonight coming up we'll get into that topic though and confirmed with deny we've got Bruce Bujold join us today we got Keegan Matheson the author himself we got access to his new book which is coming out in early June Keegan will join join us from the park. The Jays are back home coming off an off day yesterday. They got the Rays in town tonight. They got the Tigers, the Red Hot Tigers in town on the weekend. So we'll catch up with Keegan and we've got an update on Max Scherzer and it's not a positive one. Yeah there's another

another little setback for for Max. We'll tell you about that a little bit later this afternoon. Jonah Segal in here. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN plus. I can neither confirm or deny that this is in fact a significant. Austin trades Andrew Raycroft to Toronto in exchange for the rights to Tuca Ras. It's been my honor and a privilege to serve as the General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leagues Hockey Club.

It's time for Confirm or Deny. Do you regret giving all those gentlemen the no trades or no movement clauses? I can neither confirm or deny that. I can't confirm or deny. Alright, so we've got a bundle of Conf confirm and denies here, but I'm just seeing some breaking news online. Don von Nade, Jr. Of ESPN is reporting that Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson and other players

have been reinstated by Major League Baseball. Wow. Which, uh, Well, they're like all not alive. Well, I know that, but's like pete rose just passed away It's true. It's joe jackson. That was in 1918 or whatever. He's been gone for a long time, but Why do why couldn't you do this 10 years ago? Like you had to wait till pete passed away It seems so clear they were just waiting for him to die and then they're like, all right

We'll let you back in the club and now what he's going to be in cooperstown. Yes, he'll make that's probably what's coming Yes, he's going gonna be in Cooperstown yes he'll make that's probably what's coming now yes he's gonna go to Cooperstown you know which is I mean he belongs there yes he better 4,000 hits this guy out now the gambling stuff who did he run in the all-star game was said I was Gary Carter I think he blew up Gary Carter man like I'm pretty sure was good they didn't change the rule because of that hit there was One catcher got blown up and it blew both his knees out and I think they changed the rule after that I can't remember I was talking to somebody about it the other day Well buster Posey had a really bad injury and really bad collision at the plate. That's maybe what it yeah

And I think it was Posey were that because this was only 12 13 years ago where they said like we got it no more Running the yeah for a hundred years man I remember growing up playing baseball it was like dude if that guy's in your way you bury that guy I'd be you'd be 11 12 years old you're trying to destroy catchers I was in a celebrity charity baseball game and in in what's the park in New York City Central Park and I ran the guy from young and restless he. He was the catcher. Get out of the way. It was like George. He was not happy. Who was it? Bet? Bet Midler. Who was it? Bet Midler. His stands had blew up. It was Central Park. Yeah. Yeah. You wouldn't

be happy if you got blown up at home play for a charity game. I was in my way and I was trying to be a hero. Like. Yeah. Hey, listen, you're playing by the rules. Yeah, what was the guy's name? Doogie boss Ray Ray Fosse is that what it's Ray Fosse Is that a cologne you wear? Yeah, I have no idea what he's talking to he is speaking gibberish back there. But Yeah, these guys they've been reinstated which I get I'm not sure what that what that means I'm curious what the Rose family is gonna say about that I don't know what the shoeless the shoeless family thinks Yeah, you know like that guy like the white socks the black socks literally through the World Series

Yes, that is so extreme. They get a hundred-year penalty and then yeah, okay like that one I totally understood whether we can't be affiliated with you guys. They fixed the game. Yes. Like, I believe it was Arnold Rothstein, I believe, that like literally fixed the World Series. Pete Rose, do I believe you bet on the Reds? Yes, I do believe. And you know, do I think there's a chance he had his fifth starter out there and he put a little scratch on the opponent?

I think it's possible. I've always thought it was possible. But he also fell asleep on was possible. But he also fell asleep on a panel. And he also fell asleep on a panel. But yeah, I guess, you know, bygones will be bygones. All right, confirm or deny. Let's get this party started. Yeah. Confirm or deny, the Florida Panthers cannot win this series without Matthew Kachuk playing a bigger role in the final few games we're going to deny it

because he hasn't really had a big role so far and they won the last couple games i think it's more the goalie if he ended up if you said but babrowski's just average or something i would i think the goalie is more important than you know kichuck had a nice assist, but it was, it caught the penalty killers tired off a five on three.

That was a great pass. It was a beautiful pass. McCabe was a little late on it. You could see his reaction on the play, but it was, I think they were trying to sort it out because whoever came out of the box was really sprinting down on the play. That nize that came out? I think it was nize that went right to the puck, and I think they were trying to sort it out after that, and Kachuk just zipped its seam.

If you look at the one angle, the cave puts a stick there. He misses it by two inches for the deflection. But ultimately I'm more on the deny. I think the Panthers know what Kachuk is at right now. I don't think he's at a hundred percent. He's trying his best but I just I think they feel that you can do it without him. I think it's a hundred percent deny. I want to meld the two games. That's my idea for this. Okay you want to you want to half Jerry half

deny? That's Jerry deny. I like to bring in my own rules. Jerry deny. I just think they have so many different contributors like Like you look in this series, like you mentioned that third line. Like I was talking to Ray after game one maybe and he was like that Lundell and he's right. Like he's gonna be a star and like you think of how they're set up. Like Bennett's a free agent. Bennett maybe leaves, maybe doesn't, but like Lundell will just like step in, play more minutes. Marshans had a great series. That Luster Rynan's been like kind of all over the place involved. Yeah, you mentioned Verhege like he hasn't gotten maybe super going yet.

He can score like they just have so many different guys. Yeah, yeah, I would deny this but I will say I think I would I think it would confirm it if it was to win a Stanley Cup. Like to me I just feel like when you look at what happened two years ago, when he got hurt, ran out of steam in the cup final, that really fizzled their team out. He's a top tier player. He's a great player that just isn't playing at that level. And I don't think he's capable of playing at that level. And I just don't know if maybe get through the Leafs, maybe. I don't know if you can get through two more series without him Contributing more than he has right so far see that's how I was thinking the same thing actually different players obviously different roles

But with Matthews, it's like could they win this series if he doesn't score? Yeah, they can for sure They could can they win a cup like if he's did not scoring these on a race for three goals throughout the run Probably not probably not but that's what what you do is go, okay, we made it through. Like now you got you got in. What you do is you give yourself more opportunity. That's what it is. That's it. You get through and play and your team gives you more time. Right. You know, ask Connor Hellebuck, game seven, right? He gets an opportunity. Now, they might be in one looks like Haskin is back. He's getting his back, I believe tonight. Yes. That's a must win for Winnipeg. we'll get to that in a moment. All right how

about this, confirmed or denied, Austin Matthews needs multiple goals in this series to avoid taking serious heat. To avoid taking serious heat. Can I go first? Yes. Denied depending on the outcome of the series. Yep if they win everyone's happy anyway. He can get a zero spot and they win in six or seven, doesn't matter. Then we're having the conversation, jeez, you're going to need him in the next round. If he gets a zero spot or not multiple goals and they lose, now heat. Yes. So I'm a deny on that.

Yeah. I also would deny it because he could score, maybe scores one goal and it the game six series clenching goal and that's it and that's over mm-hmm and like the conversation around him is so interesting because It's like it is true He does do a lot of really good things that aren't scoring like defensively is really good. He kills plenty like it's cool He's not the highest paid player in the league because all that stuff He's the highest paid player in the league because of all that stuff. He's the highest paid player in the league because he scores. Right. Like they need him to score now or later. Right. Yeah.

Well, it's also just what he, he is capable of doing that no one else is capable of doing at that level. And again, there's no salary cap in the playoffs. So I don't really, like I don't think it's as much about the money as it, it's simply about what is to be expected and what you have to do to help your team. Right. You know you're the best. But that's what I mean. Like I'm not trying, that's what I mean. Like no I understand. He got the contract. Like that's where, that's what we talked about. He had 69 goals last year. I guess the question that like

I would raise to that is is he capable in like whatever condition he's in physically of being what you're talking about. Because like it hasn't been that way the whole year. But I would have a capable and like whatever condition he's in physically of being what you're talking about the well i have in that way the whole year but i i would have a different viewpoint on that if in previous playoffs the guy was scoring at you know a ridiculous right he's never done it in his playoff career that's an assistant nine he's not a kid that's not also sign a kid is a big boy one year he had five goals he did it's

eighteen nineteen here seven games five goals one assist six. It's 18, 19. He had seven games, five goals, one assist, six points. Yeah. That was against the Bruins. They lost in seven. And he had that, you know, he had a big series against Tampa a couple of years ago where he scored a couple of big goals. You know, it's not that he hasn't scored goals.

He scored goals. It's that during the regular season, over the last nine years, he scored more goals than anybody else. And it's not even particularly close. And you look at him, you know, and that's the point is that come playoff time, yes, it becomes more difficult.

I could accept, you know, a percentage drop. You know, you drop 20% of the playoffs, just that much more difficult, but it's a significant one. Like again, he's got three goals in his last 20 playoff games that that's a twelve goal pace right that's that's well that's a drop of of how much I mean sixty percent yeah it's massive one is career in the regular season point six four goals per game in

the regular season and then in the playoffs it's point three eight yeah so it's it's in half it's cut in half. Yeah. Again, I'll give you 25%, 25%, but it can't be cut in half. Yeah. And that's the whole point is that he's got to find a way to prove that he can be a playoff goal scorer. I think what you, you know what, you make a good point. It doesn't have to be multiple goals, it just has to be the timing of something. Sure. He delivers a big goal at the right time. It's like I'd say it all the time, starting goaltenders, they're not going to be perfect.

But if you make that save at the right time, that's what the team needs. And I think top players deliver at the time when the team needs. So that's, I think, what people are going. Let's see what he... Well, and look at Nylander. Like, that's kind of what he's been building where it's like it big moment the kind of think will be the one to score will be the one to do something

you know i mean yeah on on the leaf scale things yet exactly and erin judge doesn't get to the playoffs and they say it is laid on a sack bunt everyone's role or remember how much he took last exactly and why because it was a hitting home runs was a slugging right but that's if you're a judge you get to the place you got to hit home runs and pick home runs and hit singles and say I'm all good like that's great

hit a couple singles get on base play defensively strong awesome you got to hit home runs it was Forrest Gump that was knocking him out of the park there was the other guy Giancarlo Juan Soto jenn carlos and you're right i was matching you always doesn't have a first base but he was scum he matches or whatever but you could not run to first base and he's out the whole year basically he's got great playoff stuff but didn't aloha and rocure they did the stats of of speed to first base and he kirk was faster

then forest yes i'm not surprised by that. Stanton is, because Kirk gets moving, he's not moving fast, but Stanton is so big. Yes. And so, it's not that he's uncoordinated, but yeah, he just can't move. He looks like a rock, like he's just like a tower.

Yeah, he needs some oil, like it's just, there's no movement there. The Tin Man running to first base. Confirmed and denied. Anthony Stolar should start as soon as he's medically cleared. Denied. And I think you gotta be careful with what's going on. There are a number of steps you have to get past

before you can return. So this is just one. But that's what we're assuming here, medically cleared. But like you can't assume that every step he takes, he's not going to have symptoms, I guess would be my only thing? Well, the only thing, like he looks good in practice and all that. Well, it wasn't even practice. Take a slap shot off the face or take a bump in the crease. Like that's what you're avoiding to happen again where he has, not a relapse, another situation. We're calling it a concussion, right?

It's an upper body, I don't want to speak out of turn. They can correct the record if they want. Right, but another concussion, you have to be mindful of it. You just go and go, hey, it's a week and all of that. Because there's contact, there's incidental contact, all of that. He has to be comfortable with it for himself the doctors have to be comfortable with it you're right it's a step

I'm gonna deny it though because we don't know how the series are going we don't know how well is playing but like let's play it out so like let's say they advance right wall obviously would play well enough to get through right yeah so let's say it's the conference finals and it's like game two and solars is back practicing he feels great he's ready to go they're not starting him right I don't know he's not he's not I'm trying to think of a goalie like I thought he

played less than wool this year yeah like you're played less sticking with wall but he also earned it down the stride hundred percent and earned it in the playoffs and you shouldn't lose your job for an injury but in the end it's a big boy sport I get back no guarantees you know that's you but then if wall struggles in game two finals then it's like oh then game three that's where you go I'm denying it because I'm looking at the scenario of what does the team look like you know how is he playing? Where are you at?

That's the biggest thing. Not, you know, hey, the minute he's medically cleared. This isn't a guy that you can just slide in and go, hey, let's put him on the fourth line and give him 12 minutes. You're either in or you're out. So I'm denying it until, you know, it's Wool's net until he falters or, you know or there's a combination of two.

I mean, Stewart Skinner got his net back because of an injury. Yeah, and then he looked great last night. Wasn't tested a ton, but still did his job. Well, good for him. Yeah, I felt some nerves for him. I thought the Oilers were unbelievable last night. That was a clinic.

That's the best game they've ever played. They're in full control, man. They never looked like they were ever losing that game last night that evander kane's a problem it's a big big addition your line of man when he's born hits in pecking you know and foreign scoring last night i know the colt tender yeah he's and he's tough as nails and everyone knows it like everyone on vegas knows like he's more than willing to stand up for himself

bruce bujold coming up we'll get into the draft lottery last night uh... other wrap i don't even know of course the rafters are picking ninth like after that season they dropped two spots in their picking the look on the size face uh... sickening man uh... but i that wasn't the worst cuz there there were other ones that i think had it even worse and we've got some updates in breaking news on the status of Jason Tatum After what happened last night. We'll tell you about that next. All right, so bizarre world the Knicks Beating the Celtics at the Garden last night

They're up 3-1 in that series and Jason Tatum left the game with a what looked like a gruesome injury. We know it is now He has undergone successful surgery to repair a ruptured right Achilles tendon so that's it for like at least 12 months I would think for Tatum that's it for the for the Celtics I would think but you know maybe they win the draft lottery next year right you get Tatum goes down and the league is like you know we got to cook something up for the the Boston Celtics that's a big market for us. Yeah. How about the Dallas Mavericks winning

the lottery last night? And what I found to be one of the more tone deaf performances of all time was Mark Tatum, the deputy commissioner. He was so happy when he flipped that board over and nobody else was happy. Yeah.

Look at his 76ers that means that and everyone was so angry that Dallas won that thing last night outside of Nico Harrison and Mavs fans. But he like I get it you got to be you know it's a performance and it's entertainment but nobody's happy dude. No. Like just be miserable and turn over and then flip the thing and go find the mass win, Cooper flag. How about the range of emotions this Nico Harrison,

we gotta get into it. Oh I know, now the guy's the happiest guy in the world. Cause now he thinks he's a genius. Yes, crazy. Traded Luca, semi-tanked, and now you get Cooper flag. It's so unjustified, it's so unjust. More on that into the next hour, Overdrive continues.

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