OverDrive - OverDrive - May 14, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jamie McLennan and Jeff O'Neill for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys dive into the Maple Leafs' mentality for Game 5 against the Panthers, we talk about Connor Hellebuyck’s playoff performances and highlight Jim Nill’s savvy deadline moves.

. With VIP weekend passes and camping, plus $500 cash to spend on merch. Don't call it a phase. Enter daily at iHerradio.ca. All right, here we go. Overdrive off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app your home smart speaker Brian Hayes the old dog Jeff O'Neill Jamie noodles McLennan going on What's going on? How we feeling this evening? I spent the morning at a golf course called copedown woods aka a

Brian Hayes what I'll call a hot zone. I love that spot. Great place. Great place and the people in that hood, I got stopped by a lot of locals. I feel if you head east towards Ottawa, hatred starts. Yeah. But when you venture west, that is your area. They love me. In the greater Hamilton area is my vape. I think if you go from Hamilton just to the outskirts of Sarnia Yes, your wheelhouse. You're right. You get out near Nepean. Oh, they hate. Oh hate my guts noodles

No, he's in Ottawa a lot. They hate they hate I get I get signs that say haze is a fraud but that's throughout the country Before we go guys remind me back there before we go to the first commercial break i want to play a message all the way from the top role

at the world championships in sweden with really i have we have a new city we have an insider who hanging out, I don't know what he was doing up there, but there is a guy in Sweden, Sweden-Latvia game that had a message for the group. Okay, I look forward to that. I have a feeling I know what's coming, but we'll play it, we'll embrace it, and we'll get into it a little bit later on. But yeah, I love everyone out there, Hamilton, Ancaster, that whole area. It's a great, great spot. Shout out to our buddy, the head pro last year we played with.

Yes. Yes, you're right. What was his name again? I forget his name. Where was it? It was something like Rick. It was at Dundas Valley, right? Which is where Mackenzie Hughes grew up playing and a great, great spot. Awesome people. That's just in the name of the head pro there. He is our favorite. He was such a great guy. Yeah, they were it was a great great atmosphere out there in Hamilton this year. We're going to be up at TPC, right? We'll be up at Osprey Osprey Valley in like three weeks, right?

We got the PGA starts more. We got our PGA picks later this hour. Bring your a stuff. I think we both established I'm taking Scheffler. You're taking McElroy all day long for the picks picks will start after that right two tailor-made guys. We should point out There's some people including the players that are throwing some shrapnel at the golf course. They are torching Quill Hollow Why Hunter may hand by the way is he in the field or something? I haven't heard his name in a decade I don't 10 years. I've never seen that guy hit a golf ball, but he's like the course is like a Kardashian

It's kind of manicured, but it has no heart or soul What's like why are you coming off the top turnbuckle? That was a wild comment wild like using the Kardashians as an analogy for a golf course is never gonna be a positive dude He's lucky Kim Kardashian didn't catch wind of that somehow some someway and just come off the top turnbuckle on him. Absolutely. You haven't played golf. Like you're Hunter Mahan, dude. With all due respect, I'm Kim Kardashian.

But even JT. JT was like, ah, just, you know, hit my driver wherever it goes. Like, just try to hit it straight. No strategy needed here. Yeah, it's just they've been carving this place. Is the course junk though? No, it's a beautiful place. Dude, it looks like one of the nice...

Mackenzie Hughes is a member there. Your boy Johnson Wagner is a member there. Absolutely. It's a beautiful spot, but we'll get to that a little bit later on because I will be in a building, a beautiful building tonight, Scotiabank Arena. Hey, Matty Caws, on his way out the door, he said to us, why can't it just be a fun evening like why can't it be one of those evening in the Toronto sports scene where it just falls their way and tomorrow's just an ultra positive real fun day to come on

here and do our job it could be that way tonight maybe that happens why not maybe that happens there is a real fork in the road. Like you can't you can't ask for a bigger game than this one. Obviously game six will be as big if not bigger and game seven is as big as it gets. But game five this it's a very rare scenario in sports where you guys can speak to it in your careers. Where during like regular seasons over the course of a career a lot of games just blend in. You know a lot of games, oh yeah what was that game 44, oh yeah I kind of remember that. This is a game before it's played you know it will be talked about for a long long time.

It's like everything's coming to a head tonight where it's like the term are they different, they are different, they bounce back. That game six against the Ottawa Senators I think we talked about it on the panel where it was like they're different they turned it around and got it done and it's like all of it with these guys and there was talk with the Tampa Bay Lightning about their group and being together because as they were going to cup finals they were like guys this is our last chance at being together you wonder what the mindset of the the guys that have been here a long time

is going into these. Like by Sunday this thing's going to be over regardless. Yeah. Well, yeah. So you've got five days and it seems like everything's coming to a head. Florida's got momentum. They kind of stifled you from all the offense the last couple of games. Can you turn it around and can the big guys show up? It's like all the question marks of the last nine years all of it is like come to a head tonight But but what you're saying though, this is where I would push back slightly Even if they lost tonight, they still have an opportunity to win. Absolutely. They do. So this isn't game seven. No, it's not I know this is my love the optimism

I love the optimism, but let's be real here. If they lose this game tonight and a team that's got the momentum back, just like the Edmonton Oilers did to the Kings, if they rip off three in a row, you would have to think the chances of going down there and getting one would be awfully difficult. I understand what you're saying, and I understand this is a swing game, it's a pivotal game, but it isn't the last game. That's the only thing I'm trying to

put some... Okay, is this too strong of a phrase for you? Yes. Must win. You both can answer. I understand what you're saying, though. Not too strong for me. I think it's a must win. I think it's a must win for both teams more so the Leafs more so the Leafs But I think you know you look at the stats Myrtle tweeted this out earlier teams that have home ice in game 7 Have won a series 81% of the time when they go up 3-2 So obviously again numbers history everything subject to change teams that have home ice in game 7 So in other words home ice during the series have won only 23% of the time when they go down 3-2. Like the numbers in the history noodles, it's not even about the Leafs and the Panthers, it's just you go down 3-2,

it's, yeah, it's a difficult hill to climb up. I get that. I just, what I'm trying to do is just temper, like if something doesn't go right tonight, they still have an an opportunity Friday still have an opportunity Sunday if they could push that the point being is it is the biggest game Of the season it's the biggest game for a lot of these players You know within their career based on you know what they've been doing or what they've gotten up to but it just I just I Think Florida yes may have figured something out the Leafs have to figure something out here. You know it looks like Craig Barubey's got a few changes. I don't know if

they're going to be impactful but maybe they are impactful maybe one of those guys who comes in is a difference maker but or maybe it's just your top players that are difference makers too. Well I mean ideally it's a combination of both. They were playing some games at Morning Skate today in terms of not leaving people out there and different guys taking the skates and different Well, I mean, ideally it's a combination of both. They were playing some games at morning skate today in terms of not leaving people out there and different guys taking the skates and different guys not taking the skates. And that has led some speculation

to whether or not maybe David Camp goes in, does Nick Robertson goes in. Those are the only two guys, you know, and if they go in, I think you can detail who it's gonna be. It's either gonna be McMahon or I think maybe Holmberg, Jarnkrook, I can't imagine he takes Lottner, Lorenz out. I don't think he will. So if one or two of those guys go in,

it's going to be one or two of those guys we just named, which yes, it definitely could have an impact. That's why you make the move. But ultimately, this thing is going to go one way or the other because of your best players Because of the goaltending battle tonight the scope, you know the the the special teams tonight Right and you know the perspective that you're you're supplying here is very reasonable This is not a game seven. You know where I always stand on that

You can't treat it like a game seven when it's not But it is it is not an embellishment is not it is not hyperbole to suggest this is the biggest game of Matthews Marner and Nylander's career like for sure because it's it's game five in a best it's the best two out of three in the second round they've never been there they've never been in this situation before game five two years ago they were down 3-1 in that series. They were trying to stay alive. This year, you're trying to take a stranglehold on the series. So I don't think you can emphasize enough the significance of it. We've all talked about it for two days. We all know what's on the line. Legacy games,

legacy moments. But I mean, you guys can speak to it as athletes. There's somewhat of a negative connotation to that, I think, because of these players' history and because of this team's history, but it really shouldn't be. Like, this is what you dream of if you're a player. This is it, because guess what? It's not about money. No one cares about money.

No one cares about what your salary cap is. Do you have a no trade? No one cares when the puck drops tonight. That has nothing to do with anything all it is is about you connecting with the fan base connecting with the the history of the team that's what's on the line for you tonight and then on Friday and maybe on Sunday and if you can get through this dance then you're into an area where these players in particular are just as far as Sunday never got just as far as Gilmore Clark ever got. Those

guys got to conference finals. They didn't get to a cup final, they didn't win a Stanley Cup. We all love those guys, those are all idols of ours, mine, and we all love those guys as players, as people, as friends of the show. They got there and they're on Legends Row and numbers are retired and they're revered and those runs are all incredible and we all look back on them as just these magical springs in Toronto that's what you can do here like salvage it man like just salvage the opportunity you've shrunk it it's so rare in sports where you can actually look at five days you just said it five days for you you it's right in front of you go get it go win two games that's what you got to do play for go win two games Gary Volk as much as he was not a superstar he's still like AK

tweeted out the other day there was an opportunity for somebody to have that Corey cross Gary Roberts Gary Volk type moment and this is gonna be that game in the future regardless like game five is gonna have some goofy name to it it might be the Austin Matthews game and by way, I don't care if Austin Matthews, because the big thing I'm hearing and I read it on Twitter, it's like he's got a score tonight if they want to get the job. I don't care if he has two and two, I don't care if he has three assists, he's just got to have an impact on a positive manner on the game. And they got to win for that to be the case. Obviously. Yes,

you got to win. He's just got to have an impact on the game what a goal be great with two goals be great yes but it could be three assist i don't care what it is he's got to have a positive impact in the game but that moment is just sitting out there in front of their home fans who are going to be juiced up tonight and i don't know what they would do to tell themselves there's just uh... everybody says as soon as the park drops you just feel like it's a regular game and that's what it is but there's a big time moment waiting out there for somebody I'd be excited. This is what you wait for exactly.

Like it doesn't have to be you know I'm sure they're nervous everyone's nervous and this is where Florida has has a leg up on them and many teams in the league. We talked to Kevin Law about this earlier this week so the thing that changed from year over year is you knew how to win at that point. You knew what it felt like, you know what it looked like, you knew, you know, and the Leafs don't have that same experience. But Florida's nervous tonight. It's a big game for them. That's the excitement of the fans. I remember in our run in Carolina in the playoffs, we're like just skating out there and hearing the fans. That just created so much juice. And I talked to a couple coaches today just about playing the Panthers and what it's like what they're doing

They force dumps and they make it ugly and they get it in the slop Everything has to be done. You saw at the last game It looked like that was my question to these coaches was it looked like they were going in slow motion to try to get The puck and every both coaches said the same thing. That's what you have to get away from and you have to find a way to have some energy and speed to attack it because if you stand still at the blue line and dump the puck in, you're screwed. You have no momentum, you can't get it back so they just got to find a way to have some excitement, feed off the crowd and have some juice, have some excitement about it.

It's an awesome moment, man. And there will be some, what you called it Hayes yesterday, some nervous energy. I think that sort of, you know, would be accepted from the fans and all of that. But it should be an exciting building. It should be, I mean, this is what people have been dying for. Oh man. So you go and, you know, the team is, you know, if Joseph Wall gives him a good performance, then the team's

got to respond. That's the way you know, he needs run support. That's the biggest challenge. And you got to find a way to get the Bobrovsky as well because he looks like he's found his game. Yeah, I think just anecdotally speaking with friends and people like the race for tickets tonight, the amount of people that are putting their hands up saying I'm gonna be in a building

this this is a game I also I feel like because they're the extra day off it's that much more of a bill it's like a Super Bowl build up to a way to an extent which again puts it into perspective what would it feel like in the next round or the next round if you cut to that point like this city is exploding and it's game five of the second round. If you got to that point, like this city is exploding and it's game five of the second round and it's tied to two. But I think there's a few things that are not mandatory, but they would help not mandatory, but they would help. That's where I was going to start first goal because I think, you know, we've seen it. There's

been in game two Barkov scored first, the least one game three the lead nai scored first the Panthers one It's not a guarantee doesn't guarantee you anything But I think for the Leafs and this building to tie the two things together that we just talked about first goal First period get on the board force Florida onto their heels a little bit like Bill Lindsey told us before the series started And we saw it in the first three games You've got to make Florida Chase because they're they're just way too good if they're up one nothing or two nothing they're just wait they'll just clog everything up they'll make it so difficult game over yes you've got to

force them to cheat you got to force them to try to hold the line a little bit more or try to you know make a play in the neutral zone that they generally wouldn't play I think not mandatory but it would help. Score first tonight if you're the Leafs. Yeah, go ahead. Stay out of the box too. That's probably one of your best ones. I was going to say, in particular, the discipline on your end. And I think Max Domey... I was an outlier in the first period the other night. They were marching to the penalty box four in a row and then as one was expiring, the other one scored.

So it's like, you obviously can't do that again. Yes. And I can't imagine the rest of call it the same way. Like I don't, I think the Leafs had a legitimate beef, not that they got called four times, that Florida did nothing in 20 minutes to register a penalty themselves. Like that's what I think was frustrating for the Leafs I would think is, you can't, Echman-Larson shot it over the glass. That's black or white, that's a penalty.

There's nothing you can do. And throughout these playoffs, I don't know what it is, I've seen it in a bunch of series. How many stupid high-sticking penalties have been called? Where it's like no control over your stick and you're just giving the guy a love tap. And it's like, it's a penalty, you gotta call it. It's so dumb.

Last time we saw Nick Robertson, right right like he was at the forefront of that and we'll see if he ends up playing tonight but remember he took the the penalty against Ottawa 200 feet from his own net and I also wonder about you know whether or not we get back to what we saw the first few games high-scoring game I think that bet that would benefit the leaves Personally again, I think low- would benefit the Leafs personally. Again, I think low scoring the Bobrowski effect noodles. I don't know where you stand on that, but he's got a boogeyman vibe to him and he's earned that and if it's if it's low event low scoring or he looks like he's dialed in that there's nothing

that's that's scarier if you're projecting what could happen the rest of the round. Is Bob snapping out of it playing the way Ottinger played last night. Like Ottinger was unbelievable I thought Winnipeg played great and it was like you're just not scoring on me tonight man. Sorry. Yeah, Ottinger was you know he's two saves better but really I mean if Halibuck doesn't give up the you know I didn't love the first grand and goal but I mean he if Hellebuck doesn't give up the, I didn't love the first grand in goal, but I mean, he's basically two saves better. And in the end, I thought Autinger made some massive saves too on Kyle Connor alone.

And those are difference makers, because he robs Connor twice, and right after he makes those saves, Dallas goes down and scores. You know, in essence. You gotta explain the first one. I know, like, obviously it's a difficult position, but how a top guy in the league could look so disheveled

on a wrister from Granlund like that, it was almost like it was, it just had a really weird look to it, where, like, I don't remember Granlund, like, this guy's got a good shot, but this just seems like it totally overwhelms the goalie. That's a stoppable puck.

It's just, I'm sorry, like he wasn't screened on the play. Yeah, it goes through the triangle, the stick and the follow through and you know, it might come off the stick a bit weird but you need to make that save. I know it's a power play but that's not a backdoor one-timer. That's 99 out of 100 times, especially with the Vezna goaltender right there who's gonna win his third this year he needs to make that save yeah the way I described that shot is everyone has warm-ups where a guy like all there's three lines left center right you go you take three strides in

the center line and you rip a wrist shot and the guy just stands there and he saves it no problem yeah yeah and Yeah. And it goes in. It's crazy stuff. You need that save. And you know, listen, the two on one grandland goal, like the other grandland goals, like you could. They were nice goals. They were nice goals.

And give Dallas some credit. But I thought, I agree Hayes, I thought Winnipeg played pretty well last night. They did some good things, but Dallas is a hell of a team too. Like that's, that's the one thing Hayes couldn't coming back. He didn't look like he had a lot of rust on his game. They went 11 and seven, so they protected him a little bit. But you know, he gets the assist on Granland's third goal. You know, he's a great skater. He's got a great mind back there. I think Dallas is well rounded. The only thing I didn't

love about that team going into playoffs was the right side of their D. You had, you know, Dumbass, CC, Petrovic, guys like that. The Bushkin, like, but now you've got Hayskinen in the mix, Lindell, Harley, like they've their, their left side. Best left side maybe in the league. Yeah, exactly. It's stacked. It is stacked.

You know, I, I, Dallas is a force to be reckoned with. Winnipeg is in one, but I will say say I said this is a joke, but not really last night on the panel. You know, they can go win game five, it's game six, you're worried about because it went on the road. Oh, and nine, nine on their last nine road game. They cannot win on the road. And what was interesting, and someone noticed it, a media guy in Winnipeg is that hella buck generally never speaks after a loss. Yeah. Like that's his own rule I guess or the team's rule. He spoke last night. Yeah. And I don't know what to make of that. Like I don't know. Weird timing. Why all of a sudden are you like all right now come out and talk.

Why not? I the only thing I thought about it in a positive way is that some accountability. You're not running from it. You're going hey listen, listen, we lost tonight on the road. I've lost nine in a row on the road. I'm not in the back in the shower hiding from the media. To me, if anything that I will give him props for that, that's accountability going. Because there were some questions going, what did you see on that first goal? I believe that was one of the first questions. Of course.

Oh, you know, it's the standard question. What did you see? What did you see on that? Well, and he goes, I'm going to have to look at the, his response is pretty funny. I'm going to have to look at the tape, but that seemed like a perfectly placed shot, like instead of going, I blew it. But in the end, he did speak. The only thing I took from it, which was, you guys may term weird, I thought it was

good in a positive way as far as accountability. Because if the guy, if they're all out there talking about their goaltender and he's not talking to the media, don't you think that's weird? I think it is, but he didn't talk after game six when he got pulled again in St. Louis. You know, I guess that's what I'm saying, Noodle. It was uglier in St. Louis and it was like, nope, not talking. And now all of a sudden it's like, is that a, I'm getting out in front of this before we clear our lockers out?

I hope not. Because you know, you're up against one. And honestly, the whole league is waiting on the Leafs and the Panthers now, probably to make a series out of this because every other series could end in five. You know, it's interesting. Like Carolina, I think they're gonna win now in five and I feel like Edmonton's gonna win tonight the way that they're playing, the

way things are going. And obviously Winnipeg's in one as well. But what also came out of last night is that that Jim Nill, the GM in the Dallas Stars, man, what a trade deadline that dude had. He picks up Rantinen and grandland and cc from the sharks but that guy acquired ranting in in grandland at the trade deadline isn't it about the time they announced the gm of the year award like isn't it jimmy nils i would think he'd be in the running i would think he'd be in the running considering what he did at the trade because i think the gm of the year award is it has something to do with the playoffs it's not just a regular season award

I don't know but hand it to Jimmy. No. Yeah, what a deadline pretty incredible trade deadline And that's a night like I've never been the biggest Granland fan like when his name gets tossed around and it has been for a couple of years It's always like Nashville to here or wherever San Jose But the guy went out and got you a hat trick like that makes the trade dynamite in that one game yes immediately worth whatever assets you get yes immediately yeah I mean and CC's been a pretty good mainstay for them there you know he went to the finals last year at Edmonton he's making a career man well he's not an analytics darling that's the thing he's a real

very he's a lightning rod when it comes to the numbers people but I I think he's a pretty heavy defenseman got a good shot he's a good skater you know I I think he's a quality right shot defenseman and they did pay a lot to get Granlin and Ceci I do believe a first-rounder was involved but in the end you don't question what you gave up for players that are helping your team and especially in the playoffs. Absolutely. We could question it later or whatever if that player ends up being a rock star then

you're looking at it but I think Dallas is making no apologies for those moves. They've been fantastic. Nor should they. You know they're up 3-1 in the second round and we may see a collision Edmonton and Dallas you know if this continues to play out the way it's planned that would be one hell of a series uh... right game five tonight right here on tsn radio we will see it up throughout the afternoon we got roleplay level of concern coming up this hour p g a picks

brought to you by tailor made a little bit later in the hour as well uh... we get drags in studio we've got coaching announcements rick talkett in philly adam foot in vancouver how did these all play out will uh... astrags that get his take on a frankie carotto coming up later this afternoon as well overdrive continues tsn ten fifty and on the tsn out You understand? I do.

I really do. Alright, roleplay level of concern. We're gonna get to our PGA picks a little bit later this hour. A lot of news going on out there. We got the Jays back in action last night. Not good. Hoffman blowing a save. A storm back in the 7th and 8th inning. And then he comes out and just gets torched.

Gave up a grand slam last night in the 9th. Concerning, but the Bats are alive. And... Maybe the film is going to be a hit. in the seventh and eighth inning and then he comes out and just gets torched give up a grand slam last night the ninth concerning but the bats are alive and the Phillies aren't so dumb after all that's the concern like with Hoffman and the amount of innings he's already racking up but it's May we had Griff on last week he's like it's May guys you can't you get a dead arm or have issues with like you know the amount of innings you're throwing when we're in May you know you might get that in July or August dog days but you can't get it this early I saw someone throwing out

rumors that Yanis may want to stay in the East and the Raptors are a team that he's got his eyes on so that's out there so Raptor fans have something to chew on I don't see it happening but you never know well when you scroll past that try to find the tweet about Max Scherzer what he's earning this year dude it's like 15 sheets from the Nationals 30 from the Mets yeah and then the 15 from the Rangers and then 15 five for the J's yeah not to play like try to find that tweet about Scherzer who how much he's getting paid this year It's absurd man and the Jays, you know again, I don't know if he's gonna pitch again We'll see we talk about it every couple of days, but he gave them he gave them three innings

And now it's a back issue yesterday was a back problem for Scherzer. So Everything's kind of yeah, it, not going so well for him. There's an over under there somewhere Hayes where you're saying Like is he gonna see 50? What's your over under 15 games 15? Oh, I'm way under that man No chance he gets he starts 14 more games Well not starts but gets in or maybe they start using them something different or just... That would be interesting if they try to you know you utilize them in some different fashion I don't even know if he put up with that though a guy that's stature he's like I'm not coming out of the bullpen. It just feels like you get duped where it's like you didn't know all this

stuff was coming pal you had to throw another 15. You didn't have to give it to him right like that's the thing I don't blame and Boris is his agent and it's like the Jays are the ones that have to chew on it but Anyway role play level of concern. All right. Oh you are playing the role of quail hollow You're playing the golf course What is your level of concern the field is going to absolutely torch you this week? Why it?

week. Play it. You can never, never ask me to stop drinking. There's gonna be some guy, when we say torch it the top guys the long hitters are gonna torch it because when it's that wet there's some guys just look at their driving distance if they're not moving the rock out there they're already eliminated from contention. Yeah that's right. Because it's so short and so are so soft that you have to move like it's McElroy Scheffler the guys that hit a far man. Shambow. Yeah yeah like if you're a short hitter you have zero chance because you're gonna have a hybrid in your hand when the other guys are gonna be hitting driver wedges yeah so I feel like it could be a 24 25 under I hope not but that's what happened last year like at Valhalla I think wasn't Shoffley like 27 or 28 under or something

like it was crazy it seems like the only defense for these guys in a major is somehow firm and fast where the ball rolls off the fairway into some rough and if it doesn't man they just destroy it yes firm fast crazy rough and even then you just hope that a guy doesn't catch a heater. But I wouldn't be shocked if the leader tomorrow is is nine under or something like that. Like that's crazy to say that, but someone might go out and shoot like a 63 day one. Like I could see Scheffler going like 64, 64, 66, 65, and just and just and it's a major. Like this isn't a a pigeon pod. I think that's reason for concern

Yeah, your boy Paul McGinley was saying yesterday. He loves talking about weather He's like the fairways are close to like they can't even get them playable like it's that way. It's been scorched Yeah, it's been raining like torrential rainfall. It's not good noodles. You're playing the role the Winnipeg Jets What is your level of concern that this is your best chance to win a cup in the Hellebuck era? Rick Bushwood. Give me Rick Bushwood because I still think they've got some young pieces there. All their guys are still in their prime and you can retool and sign some guys and do all of that.

Like I don't think this is the peak of the mountain. I mean, three business. There's what can you do? But at some point, just like we talked about in Toronto, at some point you have to break through and break the mantra of like, okay, this guy can't get it done in the playoffs. That's the biggest thing. Now he can win on home ice, can't get it done in the playoffs. You know, that's the biggest thing. Now he can win on home, I just can't win on the road. So that's gonna be the narrative.

So it's Rick Bushwood for me. I don't know if we've got Rick in the chamber. I don't know if Owen knows what is going on here. Six push-ups, six butt-laps, I want one, Thomas. Because JP's in Tokyo right now. Wow, we got it, oh, later on, we got something for you because we were discussing Pete Rose yesterday. And it was jammed me up or jammed Hayes up. It

was the greatest drop of all time. And it was we're going to get to it again, but not during this time. Yeah, we'll find a slot for that one a little bit later on but uh... yet do you get a word you use that he's in brazil or something and exactly a piece of the low on in the bathroom yeah i think is that a colon convention right now uh... yeah i think that's reasonable though rick bush i mean they want the president's trophy start over yet you're down three one but this is this was a child not your man is a big year you know how about not young uh... i'm playing the role of Cooper Flagg.

Cooper Flagg, what is my level of concern? Nico Harrison is my GM. That's got to be concerning for anybody. I'll say Rick Bush. No, it's a Stevie Caldwell. All right, Stevie. Give me a Stevie Caldwell. I don't know.

There we go. A couple Westies and five or six Beers. Because listen, he's a young kid, he's a rookie. Dallas has got actually a pretty good team. Like he's pretty lucky to step into a situation like this. Street clothes, who knows how much he's gonna play. Kyrie Irving, who knows how he returns from injury. But there's vets, there's some insulation there.

Jason Kidd is your coach. And Harrison can't screw your career up quite yet. Yeah, I mean, it's gotta be an element of concern that this guy traded Luca away. They're already talking about them as being a big three. The guy's never stepped on the court. I know, but Cooper Flag, this kid is by all accounts, everyone's, everyone, like from start to finish,

it's like first overall, no doubter, you get the pick, you take him. I have a follow-up level of concern. You guys probably discussed this yesterday. Your level of concern that the draft lottery in the NBA is rigged. We talked about conspiracy theories yesterday. Oh yeah. It's not a pine on the patio. It can't be anymore after a scenario like that. Where the fan, like I thought Jonas did a great job of laying it it out he's like you have a major market and Dallas a big market and their fans hate the team. Yeah there's somebody tweeted out to all the coincidences the

other day it was like you know LA gets Luca from Dallas and LeBron was in the Ohio area magically Cleveland gets it. Chris Paul got traded from New Orleans they won AD gets traded from New Orleans. They want it again It's like if you trade a superstar that people love it's almost like the league is a wink wink nudge nudge now I don't think that's happening, but I can understand why Some people think it could be happening. All right. Oh, you're playing the role of Rick Tocket the new head coach of the Philadelphia Flyers What's your level of concern your years away from being competitive in Philly. Years away.

Years away. I'm a Stevie Caldwell as well. Okay. Okay. I got my Westies in five or six beers. Like, let's be real here. The Flyers are not that good. They have zero goaltending.

Zero, negative goaltending. negative. They have negative five if you look at my my data Yeah, negative five under goaltending So I have no idea how you're gonna get not like you got to go Colorado plus plus on that goaltending Where it's your like was there one guy that you would say? Yeah, he's got some price It was air Hoffis the one guy actually who carried the load. Erson? Decent. No, no, no.

Erhoff. Erson, yeah, sorry. Erson, not Erhoff. That's Christian Erhoff. Erson, yes. Okay, I'm not going to blame it all on the goaltenders, but I just don't think they're a very good team and I don't think they're close either. I really don't think they're even close.

You're not wrong. Oh. good team and I don't think they're close either. I really don't think they're even close. You're not wrong, oh. Keep in mind, like they, Areson is kind of was supposed to be a guy that they were kind of bringing up. They had their guy, but obviously we know, you know, Carter Hart's not available and may never be available again. Who knows, depending on all that situation. But the point being is, you're right, they need, they might need two new goaltenders. They need need more players they need veteran depth they need all of that type of stuff this is you know it's not scorched earth because they do have some good players there

tipped and connect me and that but they they have to get going here that's that's basically I love Rick talking I think he's an awesome coach we love just because he shows up in the in the city and he used to wear number 22 and beat the hell Lot of people doesn't mean that the like Danny Herrera's got work to do to give something to Rick talk at words like you guys Like if you want to take a step to try and make the playoffs, there's got to be a lot of additional Well, look at John Tortorello's he told you everything you need to know at the end of his run

He's like I just don't think I can do this anymore Like he was so bent out of shape with watching that team play that his I think his comment was I can't get comfortable with coaching a team at this level that's this bad basically because they remember that run around right before he got fired it was horrendous what they were doing every night like they they are they are in my, I don't like I get the connection to Philly. I get it. I understand Rick Tokett's connection there. Maybe he always dreamt of coaching there. I think maybe his family still has connections there. You know,

it's his choice. And Vancouver is not, you know, the pride and joy of the NHL right now. Let's clarify that. That's what I was going to say. That seems like you brought in some kind of young guy and then Rick talk it's the closer yes two or two years from now you're right but that's I was just going to bring this up to both of you what is it it's not what it says about Philadelphia it's more about what this says about the situation he just left yes yes don't you don't you take it that way but it's still it's still a downgrade in my opinion Vancouver Vancouver's a better team than Philly a hundred percent because they got a starting goaltender if he can stay healthy they've got a superstar

defenseman arguably you know let's put him in the top two or three depending on who you ever believe but he's that good you've got a centerman who's making 11.6 that you've got to figure out what he is or where if he can regain his form They have the makings at least of some decent players there and a framework Where Philadelphia is still trying to get that framework? So you're right. It's a downgrade in a sense But it also isn't it a backwards lap to going I will leave this situation Yes, to that one. Oh, absolutely absolutely I mean there's nothing positive coming out of Vancouver. Now they just hired Adam Foote. Yeah and Adam's a great guy. But it's his first head coaching job right in the NHL so you know it's a and he's a guy though that has worked closely

with Rick Tocket and they're giving him this opportunity by all accounts he and Quinn Hughes very close I think there's a real connection there uh... yet it's a shot at vancouver that he's that talk it's out of here now again he he goes to a place he's very familiar with starts his career there i think that's where he's associated with as a player right more so than pittsburgh or phoenix or whatever

uh... billy yeah i don't know i work out of a number one center i think sand i'm too good defense but i don't think he's like a stud number one just a lot of work and they need to go on spada work a lot of work and and you're right like you know i i talked to my buddy from vancouver today carl from clover date cloverfield we call it any said at this point a quinn who do you want he's hired

that's basically you know an adam foot is a, by all accounts, a great coach and has a great relationship with the players. And he might have been next in line anyways, but there's certainly a relationship there and probably a relatability from, you know, maybe talk and style. It might be close to the same and you're kind of keeping it in house because all we heard was Manny Maholtra was going to be. Yeah that was the name. The guy to.

Certainly connected there for sure. But yeah it happened pretty quickly. I got to know her this morning. Adam Foote's the guy. So Adam Foote hired in Vancouver Rick Tauke in Philly. Noodle's you're playing the role of all the teams leading 3-1 in their respective series. So Edmontonon Dallas and Carolina What is your level of concern that one of you is gonna screw this up and allow a comeback?

Why I'm I'd say pretty high on this I you know, I don't know who Well, I'm listen a lot of these teams are pretty damn good and it's not like these games have been complete blowouts So let me rephrase this this crazy segment that we have do you think a team in this? Do you think one of the teams down three one are gonna come back and win a series? I Would say no, but I would say can you make it a series? Absolutely Can they what's your mini Jerry's then we're just mashing everything together? Okay, but great Jerry so I was gonna go Stevie Caldwell for my concern as far as that's kind of you know, it's

It's not a worry for him But it's a worry for other people who who don't have his tolerance put it that way that isn't that aren't Scottish right? They're not Scottish, but I you know, is it inconceivable that you could see one series going to six or seven? No. I think, I know we all think, oh, it's curtains this, curtains that. You don't think Washington could wake up and go, hey, we're going to get again? That's the furthest one, the last one I think is going to win personally. I'm always an optimist. I think every team that's down 3-1 is gonna get pumped in this game

I just have that feeling one by one. Yes, it's one or another. I'll put it to you guys Okay, put it to you guys a Jerry's or you know level of concern Not one of them is gonna go to six. I Well, I think one of them will go to six. I think one of Vegas or Winnipeg will win game five I don't feel great about Washington although it's on home ice, you know, they're going home And it's more of a testament to Carolina like they've just played so well and they've smothered them and they just have not allowed

Washington to ever feel comfortable. They've flat out made them look terrible. Yeah, they've just it hasn't been close No, like it really hasn't been close now You know if you don't believe in momentum and every game's different and home ice, then Washington, of course they can win the game. They're clearly good enough to do that. That one just feels more in favor of Carolina getting the job done, which would be incredible.

If they're into, if they get into the conference final playing 10 games total, that's very impressive, man. That is very impressive. And that's potentially gonna happen for them but I could see Vegas or Winnipeg winning game five for sure it could yes I mean all of these teams could they're good teams yeah you have a off night from a goaltender you know a star player steps up there's all these things that come to fruition but winning coming back to win I'm really long at I'm a very I really five percent i i'm thin on that too but

you know making it a little bit hairier than people want that i think there's something in there that they are all played level of concern mashed together with a mini jerry and whatever else we kind of put together there are a lot of that next wednesday just a combo of all jerry a confirm or deny and level of concern. A potluck. A potluck and we get one of each. I love it. We're doing a potluck next week. Yeah. You think the lease will still

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All right, we'll get to our PGA picks early into the 5 p.m. hour. We got Dreggs coming up. Game five tonight. Leafs Panthers right here on TSM radio. I expect an electric evening, an electric evening. And we're talking about doing a potluck segment maybe next week bringing everything together and paulo tweeting in saying The segment should be called Jerry's level of confirm or deny. I Love that

Everything coming together. I just like pot like keep it simple potluck potluck You overdrive potluck mix in an arbitration everything Everything and we could choose how we want to go at it. say this is a Jerry's. This is a level of concern Well, remember we did you get to lie you get to pick your option. I want my Jerry's first. Okay. Yeah, okay I like that idea and we we did the slide back in the day. We haven't done that in a while But let's say Craig Barube slid into Austin Matthews DMs this morning and said big dog. I need one out of you tonight I need one out of you tonight. How do you think he responds? I'm gonna give it to you

He's gonna respond like that to Craig Barube. Don't you find like the majority of the fan base? They're just there. There's zero then yes as they as I think they should be Like yes, you want the whole team everyone's got to contribute, but these guys have been at the forefront for nine years I got it. They're the best player. I'll take a Scott Laudin hat trick. So would I so would I think every Leaf fan would take anything? Just just win the game clearly. Yeah, but it's almost like since you were brought to this organization It all roads lead to this evening tonight. You know what I mean? You became the captain You're one of the great goal scorers in the league They need somebody to step up and give them that moment to change the momentum around

It's like everything is led to tonight. So what do you got? Yeah, exactly Exactly. What if he writes back who's this? New phone. New phone who it is. Blocked. That would be uncomforting. Yeah. That wouldn't be a good sign but I want the response to be the chief. You want it you get it. Yeah because you know Maurice is looking at his big guys like you know Barkov's got a couple of goals in the series played, played pretty well. Reinhardt hasn't done a lot. You know, he's probably looking at them and the one goal he had was that

scramble where it went off Carlo and barely crossed the line. He got credit for that goal, but it hasn't been an elite play, elite player dominated series. Yeah. Yeah. It's been the third line from Florida. Um, you know, it's been, yeah, it's been the third line from Florida, you know, it's been, yeah, it's been different guys contributing at different times and and

I think if you're Maurice you're looking at Barkov, you're looking at Reinhardt tonight, you're saying let's see what you got, like let's see what you got tonight and I think the counter on the Leafs side of things, the roles that those two players would play would be the equivalent of Matthews and Marner and as much as we brace for possible lineup changes I don't think you're gonna see anything different than Nye's Matthews and Marner on the top line. Yeah I mean when you break it down like that maybe it's the difference between Barcaw the best players on both teams are gonna decide the series tonight. Yeah let's get

after it tonight. Yeah tonight. It might be like you say it might be a high scoring game might be a 5-4 game type of thing Because the all the big players decide to play or or break through their breakthrough offensively. That's that's what you need That's where you're gonna need a big play from somebody and you're gonna need a big save I mean ultimately you said this yesterday Hayes like Joseph Wall. There's a lot of pressure on him yeah, because he can you know know he can slam the door shut and and do what i'm sure did last night exactly and tall only give up one and if you do that your team's gonna win the

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