OverDrive - OverDrive - May 14, 2026 - Hour 2 - Darren Dreger

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joins to discuss the Maple Leafs' head coaching search, Kris Knoblauch's departure from the Oilers and potential candidates for Toronto behind the bench. Hayes gives his latest edition of Stanley Cup Playoffs bar play list and Bryan gives his FanDuel Best Bets.

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What's happening, Dregs? Oh, just warming up for another hot zone. Hot zone after the Habs game. I love it. Yeah. Okay. A couple of us will be on it. Yeah. Hot zoning tonight.

Bringing the heat. Well, there's been a lot of heat in the National Hockey League this week. Coaches getting fired. People getting hired. What do you make of it? How much more can we expect? First off, like, what do you make of the handling of the Chris Knoblock situation? Unfortunate, sketchy.

I think it's as bad as it gets, Darren. Yeah, well, look, I mean, I'm not pointing fingers at how leaks occur. I mean, that's part of what I do for a living and have done it for a long time. That's where it really came off the rails, right? Because in the perfect world, if the Vegas Golden Knights give the Edmonton orders permission and get to Bruce Cassidy, chances are you fire and you hire in the same day and it's a big splash and everybody moves on. It feels like Edmonton was backed into it. You know, I mean, look, I guess Vegas doesn't have to feel any sense of obligation to cut Bruce Cassidy loose and give him permission to speak with the Oilers or any team for that matter.

But because the information was out there, now Edmonton's in that jam up, all right? You know, you've already made the decision. You're moving on. I mean, coaching is, you know, a problem, obviously, for management of the Edmonton auditors. So how do you back out of it, right? and that's where it comes off the rails. But that's where we were talking about, if you made the decision to move on from Chris Knoblock

and you just want to interview Coach X, you should probably believe him of his duties first and then just say, hey, we're going to have a wide range of, you know, the John Chica, what he said in his media was that yesterday, I feel like they've all lumped together, said, hey, we're going to have a wide scope here and take a look at it. What happened because of the leak you mentioned,

it made it look like it's embarrassing. Chris Knoblock's sitting on his couch or wherever, and there's information coming in, hey, they've already looking at Cassidy and they won't get waived. To me, that it's a poor look on everybody, and Knoblock didn't deserve that. He doesn't deserve that. In essence, you're going to move on.

Great coaches get fired. I see that all the time. But he deserves the respect to go. Let him go. Then move on. I will never forget when Paul Maurice was fired, by the Toronto Maple Leafs years ago. I mean, Paul and I had a long-standing relationship,

so he reaches out to me, you know, as soon as he learns his fate, and he goes, can you do me a favor? He goes, please don't report anything. I'm on my way to my kids' school. I want to get to my kids first. So can you please not say anything until that happens, right? That's what I, as I've gotten older, I appreciate more and more. So look, I mean, Chris Knoblock's going to be fine.

Yes. By and large, I don't know Chris Knoblock, I think he's a good coach. He's respected. He's got a deeper coaching background in Arsenal than what I knew about until I started poking around with those who work with him. But you wonder about the young family that he has and things like that. And look, I also think that there's a narrative out there that, okay, maybe the stars didn't align. So McDavid and Drysadle didn't necessarily align with the coaching philosophy of Chris Knoblock.

You know what exactly they didn't align with about that, them putting him, putting them on the ice for 30 minutes each? No, I don't I think we're saying the same thing. I don't buy that for a minute. So when we hear Connor McDavid speak the way he did and Leon Driesodle just dropped the gauntlet

in his end of year media address, that's directed at Jeff Jackson and Stan Mullman as general manager. That's not directed at coaching. That's saying, look, you know, you took a swing and goaltending and missed. Missed.

And a piece that you had to throw into the deal, Brett Kulak is now a pretty big player for the Colorado Avalanche. And it created a hole in our defensive group. So a miss, right? So how are you going to fix those roster problems? That was a frustration that was bubbling out of Leon Reissel and Connor McNaven. Yeah, those guys are still there and knoblockism. Yeah.

Like how to Stan Bowman. I know. Like Bowman just keeps working. out there and it's all good. He walked into an incredible job. You got McDavid and Dry Settle and we're knocking on the door for the Cup final and

whoever... They've gone backwards. Whoever lost the offer sheets. Like I don't know if that was Bowman. That was Bowman. No, no. It was Jackson. It was Jeff Jackson. But Ken Holland had left.

It was Jeff Jackson. It was John. But that's the thing. Like there's a little team. TSN turning point right there because now you've got to fill those holes right away. Two good players. And too good up-and-coming players. You'd already moved out players that you felt like you're going to move past into McLeodds and left shot.

Yeah, exactly. So to me, there has been mistakes, but you've got to find a way to fill them. I don't disagree in the coaching change. I think they needed something, but you've got to get it right. And we were talking about it in the last hour. they're on the clock. Like they're, you know, dry saddle set it in his 15 minutes.

Yeah. Everybody's on the clock. Have to be. Have to be. And right for yourself. And look, I mean, Daryl Cates, the owner of the Edmonton orders,

is as demanding an owner as there is. I'm not saying that he felt like there needed to be some bloodletting in the disappointment of this season. But it kind of has that feel to it, right? And, you know, in talking to those who have worked in Edmonton and worked for this owner, even though they've been slow and methodical through their process,

as Stan Bowman alluded to, the end of the day, come on. You're firing a guy that's going into a three-year contract extension? I mean, is that going to turn things around in Edmonton? Money, too. Like, I was telling Brian off air, like, outside of, you know, the actual business of this is, there's real money involved. Like, the knoblock could sit at home for the next three. million bucks.

So there you go. Let's call it $8 million. That's the thing, guys. In any regular business, like if you piss away $7 million, you're fired. You got to answer for it. You signed Trent Frederick for eight years. You've got to answer for these things. And that's the, from an actual business standpoint, you've got to look at it and go, you know, we didn't get the game seven home gate where they were probably hoping for.

Right. When you go into Anaheim and you lose that. That's a game that they probably works back. It's a lot of money. A lot of money. It's a lot of money. That's why there's so much pressure in today's world when teams are like, make the playoffs,

do this because it's money in the door for these owners. That's just the business side, not just the actual wins and loss. Are we just living in a world now where you have one disastrous season? It's game over for a lot of people? Like, is that what we're doing here now? It has that feel to it. It definitely has that feel.

It's not with every owner. Yeah, and some are more loyal than others. and some are more mindful of the millions of dollars that are being pissed away, right? I mean, at the end of the day. And, you know, you could, Toronto's a little bit different for me in the Burubei situation because he was part of a regime that didn't work, okay? And you guys have talked about this. I don't want to go back down that path.

But I guess what I would submit, you could appreciate what John Chica and Matt Sundeen are going to do without knowing who they're going to hire, right? They want to clean. They got to have some idea of who. they might hire. I think so. I'm not saying one guy in particular, but... They would have a long list established right now,

and then you go through that process. Yeah, but, like, people say they have these long lists. Yeah. Like, what's the sense of the courtesy interview with eight different guys? Like, you know they're not... You know what your inkling is, like, which way you want to trend, as soon as there's coaches available. But who, like, and I would say this of Edmonton,

and Edmonton, maybe more so, because it feels Edmonton needs a closer type of coach. Exactly. What a Bruce Cassidy ultimately gets permission, but doesn't want to go to Edmonton. Right. That's possible. Like, he might look at the Los Angeles situation,

and there's a sense that, you know, Kenny Holland might just extend the interim tag on DJ, depending on how things go. You know, maybe Vegas doesn't give Cassidy permission to speak to a division rival, like Edmond. I mean, but so then when you get past Bruce Cassidy, who's better? Like who's better for the Edmonton Oilers than Chris Knoblox.

The only two guys that I can think of personally is Lavi and it's Cassidy. And not because of... Well, maybe you throw Barouba into the mix now. But I'm just saying tactically. Yeah. Like they need a detailed tactician. You had Lavi. Hard, fair, but tactician.

I think what they needed was a different look and voice. I tongue-in-cheeked say this. I was called Darryl Sutter's 60 kilometers down the road. One year deal. Come in. He might piss some people off. But I mean, Darrell centers, that's a closer. Like, and he'll upset the apple cart.

Sure. But I, you know, I am tongue in cheek because, again, maybe Daryl's past that. But they need somebody who's hardened. That's what I. So what do you think the Leafs need, drags? Like, what do you, or what do you think lines up with where it, Chica might take this coaching pursuit. Yeah.

And how much money do they have? You know, like, a lot, one of the big names that everyone's like, hey, go get that David Carl at a University of Denver and blah, blah, blah.

Can they get him if they offer him? I think that guy makes like four sheets. That's what I'm saying. They offer them $6 million a year. And would he come? Like, you know, and how much money are they willing to spend on a coach now that?

Yeah. I mean, I had an exchange with David a while back. You know, just engaged. and I'm talking about a month or so ago, and I just wanted to, it was after Denver won again, right? And I'm like, okay, you know, you weren't ready to join Chicago a year or so ago. Are you ready now?

And he didn't really answer the question. This guy's a sharp young guy. He really truly is. There's a sense from some around him that for family reasons, it's not quite right. But that's not specific to Toronto. That's just a jump to the NHL. I mean, maybe he could be convinced financially that the time is right. I don't know, but that's the sense that I'm getting.

So beyond David Carl, who deserves that sort of level of attention, I do think that that is the type of coach that Toronto would be looking at. You know, somebody young, somebody relatively inexperienced from a pro perspective, perhaps. And a Holtra name? Well, how can he not be considered, right? But I, you know, look, I don't like firing coaches, and I don't have information to suggest that Adam Foote isn't going, to be retained and remain head coach

of the Vancouver Canucks. But given what we've just seen with the changes there, I know that Henrik and Daniel have a lot of time for what Ryan Johnson did and what Manning Mulhunter did in their American League system. So if you're going into this full rebuild, you'd better believe that Adam Foote is the guy to take you to the next level.

Otherwise, you can't hold Mani Baller back. And by all accounts, he's ready to be an NHL head. coach. So it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for me for them to cut them loose, but if they did, he'd have to be a man of interest. And look, I mean, I kind of threw it out there with Ryan Roshag

and Gino Reda during our hit earlier today. Like, I don't think that Chris Knoblock would be automatically on Toronto's list, but developmentally, like, here's a guy, too, that I didn't realize,

I talked to a guy today who knows him very, very well. How much He leans on analytic support in Edmonton as a coach. And, you know, line combinations, the match-up game that you're building going into your next game, playoffs, all of that stuff. Does that move the needle for John Chica to at least have a discussion with him? You know, maybe it does come down to money here, Brian, too, right? You know, you're on the hook for Craig Barraubi for four and a half for the next two years. You know, if you can get somebody for two and a half, three Schmel,

on a three-year deal? I don't know. I think everything's on the table, though. Sure, yeah. You think everything's on the table for the Leafs? It has to be. You got to have. Well, but it also depends on what, like we talked about earlier,

what their objective is for next year. What team you're building? And then five years down the road, so to speak. Like, are you hiring a guy where it's like, we've got to get back in the playoffs next year, and prove that last year was just a blip. Yeah. So, yes, he's not a long-standing guy.

And how many guys are, like, sure, it'd be great if you could find the next John Cooper. Go ahead. That'd be amazing. You know, hire a guy and keep him here for 10 or 12 years. You have to have a patient ownership and board. To do that. To do that. Yes. And a very good team.

Let's not forget. Cooper stepped in with Vasilevsky and Kutra. His team was loaded when he got here. Do you think all the hirings are going to start like trending? And I think Labby's going to work in the league again, obviously Cassie. And he should. But do you think it's going to start trending to fresh stuff? Like if a GM, like all of it.

It seems like in the next five to six years, there's going to be a lot of new blood running things. I agree with that. And I'm open to some of the names that are going to be suggested. Like, we're just, again, kind of skimming over the surface here. You can look at guys who are assistant coaches. You can dive into the American League. Maybe you can dive into major junior hockey. You know, I look at the guy who coach Kitchener as an example, right?

I mean, I don't know. Are these guys ready to be? But I would, if... The GM's a smart guy, too. Yeah. I'm just saying, but if you're willing to... Okay, we all have nothing but time for Daniel and Henrik Sidene and for Matt Sundeen.

Right. Matt's a zero experience as an executive in the national hockey league. That doesn't mean he's not going to make qualified and educated decisions or provide advice and influence. Why can't that sort of leadership, in your front office hockey operations drift over into coaching. You know, why can it? So I have time for inexperience,

but for me it depends on where you're at as a team. If you take it back to Edmonton, I think they need somebody who's already proven that they can drag that team over the hump. And it gets complicated. But it comes back to what Brian's saying, if John Chica's mandate, because we don't know it and he's not going to share it with us, but if his mandate from Keith Pelly was like,

we thought we had an offseason because of injuries and inconsistencies, you go out and get four or five different players, and we're right back in the mix in the Atlantic, and we're a playoff team and we're this and that. It's a lot different story because it comes back to how you're going to build your team. And it comes down to the meeting that you're going to have with Austin Matthews and look, you know, you're talking, or you're going to talk to Morgan Riley and see what his thought process is moving forward.

You know, you mentioned Mani Mulhalter, though. And now that you say that, and I've had a minute or two to digest, I do think that there are, like, people pay attention to what Steve Ott did and taking over Springfield. Right. In a relatively short period of time in the American League, right, in the St. Louis organization. Yeah. You know, there's a guy that people are talking about.

Ryan Craig, you know, Vegas is pretty stingy with letting their people out of their deals. And, you know what? Ryan Craig might be the next coach of the Vegas Golden Knights. You know, let's see what they. do with John Tortarillo. But for me, you have to, because the door has been kicked open on some of these outside of the box hires in management, why can't that drift into the possibility of coaching at the NHL level? Sure. That's fair. Maybe it's a package deal. They hire Manny and take his son first overall. His son's a player, right? He's going to be a top 10 pick, more than like

Craig raves about him. Yeah, Kelly. Isn't he ranked three? Yeah, well, he's in the top 10. I mean, According to Craig. You trade first overall to either San Jose or Vancouver. You get something as part of the juice, and then you allow Vancouver to take Gavin McKenna. They get a splash if they choose. Interesting. That's getting crazy here. Don't start.

Anything's possible. That's the headline, all right. Anything's possible. You just radioed yourself. No, no, Dugie and I have an agreement now. I'm just saying. He's on. Two many times.

It's happened two minutes. anytime. He's on high alert. No, no, we're good. Quinn Hughes and the Minnesota Wild. Where do you see this one going? He's got a year left on his deal. Yeah.

So I can't imagine he doesn't play for them next year, but as of July 1st, they can talk extension. I guarantee you he'll flat out. If he doesn't want to resign there, he'll be telling Billy G that, well. He's not messing around. I agree with him. Yeah, like he's like, he got traded to Minnesota. He didn't want, like it wasn't his preferred destination. Billy G. talked about the hockey's got to be good.

It has been. disappointing end of the season. But if that's not his preferred destination, and you've only got one chance to pick your own destination, he will tell Billy G that. And he has all the right in the world to do that. So if that's the case, and he goes,

not sure it's going to be here. Do you Kauai Leonard with him next year from Bill Garon? And so we're just one last dance. We've got a good enough team to win a cup next year. Yeah. But you're not winning it unless you got Quinn Hughes. Right. Or do you trade them?

I would just run it back one more time. Yeah. And blow your brain. blow the gasket out, like, just add. He looks pretty comfortable there, though. Yeah, he looks very comfortable there. I'm with you. He would have to just not like living there.

Right. Because you know the hockey, as long as Billy Garon is there, is going to be competitive. You're going to have a chance to win. Got a great deep partner. Five years, right? The coach loves him. He plays all the time.

Like, the hockey couldn't be better for him, really. And I would, like, where's his destiny? you choice. New Jersey? Because he wants to play with his brothers? I don't know. I mean the only thing I'd think about playing with his brother, Luke, is pretty damn good. He's not Quinn, but he's pretty damn good. But he's getting better. And he's getting better. You'd actually jump in the way of your brother.

Like literally, because Luke is the guy that is going to be running that for many years. It would be great to have the three there. I get that. But ultimately, you're right. If that's not in the cards, Minnesota is probably the best destination for him to stay there.

because you've already got a manager that has shown the Cahunas to go, I'm not done. Wait until you see what I do with my next move or my next free agent signing to make this team better to get over the hump because he's got currency there. They've got still some good young players. They've got a goalie. They might be able to wheel because they've got two good young goaltenders there. They've got a lot to work with there.

So he might, Billy Garon might say, extend with me because I guarantee you, you're going to get a chance to be a damn good team here for many years. You know, Toos Pointe, man. Like, there's some wild stuff that is going to happen, no pun intended. You know, Matthews, McDavid, like, I mean, the juicy and the salacious, we're just getting warmed up with some of this stuff. There's three captains with two years left in their deal in Canada alone. Yeah.

Because Brady's got two years left. Although I chuckled. I was going through social media very quickly this morning, less and less every day, by the way. And it was suggested to, yeah, I see that. Yeah, the O-Dog. He doesn't even know what you're talking about. I know I'm not that far away from O-Dog strategy. I have to do it to do my job. Yeah, I still look at it and I like the news.

It's instant information. But as far as communicating and having the idea of some moron in his parents' basement respond, I'm not doing it, never again. Yeah. But, I mean, it was floated that, you know, Tampa Bay would be a destination of, you know, if Matthews is going to hit the market, Tampa Bay will be one of the, Well, Toronto's not going to have a say in if Austin Matthews hits the market. Like, I mean, Austin Matthews.

You're saying, like, the suggestion was the lease would say we're going to trade you to Tampa? Well, I mean, I think it was somebody forwarded to me. It was suggested that if he were to hit the market, Tampa Bay would be one of those teams that would be deeply interested. Sure, sure. Of course. But every team would be. He's not going to hit the market. Like, the only way he hits the market.

market is if he says to the Maple Leafs as we've talked about at length of the last several days is, okay, this isn't working out for me. Here's the team or two teams that I want to go to. That's not hitting the market. That's falling your shot. It's working in a partnership. So working out the deal. Working in a partnership and going. And that's probably the way of approach. But that's we're dealing with for the next several weeks on all of these guys. All these managers have to sit down with the player and the agent and go, if it's not going to work out here,

Give me four teams because I don't want to be painted into a box. And let's work together. Do you think you can get four teams? I just. No, no, I know. But I think that's significant, though. That's what I'm asking. And let's say, you can do Matthews, McDavid, whoever it is.

They could be one, you can be two. Because four, you can get a bidding. Right. Four is going. Four is great. The problem is if you get one team. And that one team sniffs it out. He's only going there.

What are you getting in return? You might get a little lesser. And I think I've heard you guys talk about this. And I don't think that there's any chance that Matthews isn't playing in Toronto unless they come to him and say, look, we're reconsidering here, and we are going full rebuild. And I don't think they're going to do that. But that is like, I mean, he's still committed to the Toronto Maple Leafs.

It's just, you know, a little bit of pressure to make sure everybody's paying attention and try and make the team better as quickly as much. possible. Which, listen, fans, you know, are kind of caught up in all this. That it could be beneficial to the fans if that's their hope and plan. It's like, hey, let's get competitive again next year. This year sucked. It was very difficult to endure.

And if Matthews is kind of a driving force in, hey, get it, do this, do that, or not necessarily this coach, that player, this trade, that signing. But I'm going to put your feet to the fire to make sure that you make our team competitive quickly. Right. Can I give you some fodder? I think you're probably going to wrap up with me here. Go ahead. What do you have? This wouldn't be a surprise,

but we know that New York's trying to get off the contract of Trocheck, right? Toronto's among the teams that have some interest for sure. Is that right? Now, does he have interest? Well, that's the question. Does he have a no move and no trade and everything? Like, what would his language be? But if you think about it, you know, he's an older guy.

Veteran center. Could he play the two hole And then Tavares slides to three Yeah Oh You know what's a factor? He's a gamer that guy You know what's a factor?

I love this game when he's healthy A feisty gamer You know what's a big factor right now Where is he from? America USA That is something that has We can have a different talk about that another time

But that I have talked to a few managers That are mindful of Yeah if you don't think that's a big time factor now Well According to JP he has a 12 team no trade list. You think seven of them are north of the

49th? Who knows? JP, do you know the teams? No, he's making teams go back there. Maybe Team USA Captain would have some influence. That's what Noodles is saying. I like that. What if you hire an American coach? Peter Lavilette.

He played really well under Peter Laviolet. Now everything's starting to come together here. There you go. Laviolet, Prochek. It's all making sense. Who else is? Why would they do that? Why would Trocheck be American?

Yes. I like it. It's all coming together. Adam Fox coming to them? I know. That's a thing. Didn't hear that. He needs somebody to pass those guys the puck.

Yes, I agree. The $8 million dollar reclamation project. Well, he did win a Norris. He did. He's been a ghost ever since. He hasn't played well the last two years. It has not played well. All right, Dregs.

Good stuff. We appreciate it. Great seeing you. There he is Darren. Our TSN Hockey Insider. Joining us here on the Maple Toyota Hotline. Red Tag Days are here. Check out the Toyota Tacoma, Toyota Tundra pickup trucks,

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It's trending, but he's not online, so I don't know how you know that. How did you find that out? I forgot it's not online, man. You sure know a lot of things. Like, you know, my dad pay for dinner or rap in Jamaican. And then it's just my, then it says my dad. And then they post that guy. That's really funny.

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Listen now on the free IHareRadio app. And at iHardroredio.ca. All right, best betts coming up. I'm going to get to our Hasey B listing Bar Play edition and is it Thursday. But I saw this earlier this afternoon that a report courtesy of Yahoo Sports.

The NFL will not be reviewing teams videos for jokes surrounding New England Patriots head coach Mike Vrable ahead of Thursday night's annual schedule release. You have to break down what that actually like you're talking about like in stadiums teams are going to do memes

and stuff on the bumbo trots. That's what I'm telling you. And what basically what the NFL is saying and the report continues. The league is letting teams use their own judgment regarding potential. content about Brable's connection with Diana Rossini. But when the schedule gets released,

Pats are playing the New York Jets. The Jets social media account could be, hey, Vrabel. Who else is coming with Coach Rable and the Pats when they... I thought Roger Goodell would have said, don't even touch it. I guess they're saying, use your discretion,

which may be code for, like, come on now, but we're not going to We're not going to actually put this on paper that you can't do anything, but wink, wink, nudge, nudge. We've talked to all the owners, make sure nothing's going to happen. But it could be floodgates for Vrable to get absolutely destroyed online. What organization wouldn't care about that? Like is, like, like, you know, like there's somebody where it's like, who cares?

We're just going to torture that guy. I mean, there's some social media accounts. A lot of people are pointed to the chargers. and I don't know if they're playing the AFC West this year. What's the Chargers media account going to say? There's something about, I guess, the Chargers, social media, and the way that they reveal their schedule every year is always kind of top-notch. Yeah, exactly.

They do a really great job. Like, this is a massive review. It speaks to the magnitude of the NFL that is schedule release. Yeah. It's like, set your alarm. I can't wait, even though you kind of know who every team is going to play. But you don't know primetime games, when they're going to. land, you know, and I'm curious

who's playing, thanks, U.S. Thanksgiving, and, you know, opening night, all that kind of stuff. But, yeah, I guess, like Frable, and, by extension, Diana Rusci. So fair game. That's basically what they're saying. Factively, yeah, if you want to goof on Vrable whenever you're tweeting or texting or posting on Instagram or whatever, social

media in general. That'll get that. That'll get ugly. I know, but let me ask you this. Was there anything in place publicly? Certainly, I don't remember or anything like that for Bobby Kraft? I don't remember one, but you're right. I mean, like, old Bobby Kraft, if they ever... Oiled up.

If they ever played the dolphins. You know, like you say stuff like that, like you're like, you've got to be careful. And I think publicly... They play the dolphins every year in Miami. Well, exactly. Nietzsche where is Bob Kraft while the game is ongoing? Exactly.

Like, that's my point is, where's the line? and they're probably saying publicly we can't suppress free speech. But privately, they're probably going smart and up here. Don't make the... Yes, and I do think an owner is different than a coach. Right. Like I think ultimately going at the owners, that's when your own owner might say,

excuse me, I've had some stuff happen in the past that I don't need people. I just like to say, these social media accounts are run by young creative people. And that's it. And that's in a lot. I get the impression they kind of have carte blanche. You know, like, hey, go out there and do your thing.

Make it go viral for us. It's like a marketing tool for teams. Oh, but they say that they are open, like wide open for, like, for business. I'll believe it when I see it. I'll believe it when I see it. Now, what has come of that? It's kind of, it was a three-day cycle of news and people have moved on. Every week there's a new video.

Last, this week it was on a boat. She was pregnant reportedly at that time. That one is... That's... Well, they've dug up old tweets. Wild. Yeah. I get it.

That's a wild one. That's tough. So I would guess there's probably more coming. You know, I wouldn't be surprised. It sounds like the two of them have had a close relationship for a while. I was thinking about ball. And I know you guys give me a lot of trouble that I jump on bandwagons. So I think that the only thing I need,

need to do is just like start from the bottom. Like be a Browns fan and say. You know what? Cleveland Browns fan and what work your way up? Well, I just, you guys always say, oh, that team's good. So now you're a fan. So give me the biggest thomster fire. Where I.

Vegas. Mark Davis. You and Mark Davis. Get the same haircuts. Yes. You know what? You showed up with the Lloyd Christmas. You would direct me to Vegas.

They got a new quarterback Fernando Mendoza, right? They got a stud quarterback, Tom Brady, Mark Davis, and the O'Don. Halloween, you can dye your hair red and comb your hair forward. His hair is not red. Is it red, or white? I think it was kind of red at one point. It's not red? I don't know.

It's a good question. I'm not sure. I thought it was blondish, like strawberry blonde. Strawberry blonde, we'll call it. And then you put a white coat on? With a white, I might kick off the NFL season with a white coat, a strawberry blonde,

Lloyd Christmas wig. And jumping on the Raiders band. That's your team. That's a good one. Because they were literally the worst team in the league last year. Okay. So not Cleveland. I'm going to Vegas.

Cleveland is particularly cruel, I think. It's just, you're not going to last in Cleveland. Although there were reports based on the camp a couple weeks ago that Deshawn Watson is now back in the driver's seat to be the starting quarterback again in Cleveland. one. Dude, he was so bad the last year he played. He was horrendous and he's been injured for a year and a half.

And by the way, posting the most outrageous vacation. Him in bed there? He's married now? I don't know, but this guy was traveling the world with this gorgeous woman and just vids on the balcony of hotels. And I was like, there was a time if you were injured. When me and this guy were playing in the NHL, you were nowhere. Nowhere. No one wanted to see you Malikoffing, the ski hills.

Like you were nowhere to be seen. Yeah, this guy is enjoying his life. And it was outrageous. He was like, seasons over and or season, season ending surgery, right to just Hawaii, all of it, dude. Wow. Well, he's making $50 million cash guaranteed every year. Yeah. People say in our worst trade kind of bracket, that one might be.

That one, I got to write that one now. It's not a trade or a signing. No, it was a trade. The Browns traded picks, like a bunch of picks. They had to get him. Yes. And at that point, remember, he had already been, he was out in Houston. Like he wanted out, but then he had all, you know, the issues clearly.

Got the massage? Yeah, he had stuff going on here. He had a lot of massage issues. Therapists, which was strange. Yeah, okay. Yeah, and there were a lot of, obviously, allegations, and it didn't go, it wasn't a good scene for him. No.

They had to give him $200. But Cleveland, not only traded for him, gave him the most guaranteed money in NFL history. Crazy. All right. Tough transition, but bar playlist. Bar playlist. Stanley Cup playoffs.

This is actually the toughest one because Carolina's out. you know, not playing. Like there's certain series that aren't, I don't mean they're out. I mean, they're not, like, available to be in this because they were there on Monday, but I'm playing anymore. Let me guess. You've got a couple avalanche for sure. I do.

Can and maybe. Fire them up. Give me number five. Okay. This one is making up for a misstep earlier in the week. I know what you're going to say. Zach Benson. Yeah.

I scored a big goal the other night. Good hands and tight. Yeah. And, like, he was a name growing up. BC. Wasn't he, did he go first overall in the W.H.L? I thought he was like a kind of stud coming up and then

anyway, they took him. He's a first round pick, I believe. I remember watching his first year and I'm like, this is risky because I don't know if this guy's ready to play. He was 5'10. Went 13th overall in 2023. Right. But he's a gritty player, dude. Like, he is

a gritty little animal out there and he scored a big goal the other night. One of my favorite players. He's an up-and-comer. on team my guy. I love him. Yeah, Zach Benson at five. I've got his teammate UPL at four. Now, this could have gone higher, but I think

you'll understand why it didn't. That's a big one, man. UPL stepped in there in a tough, tough spot in Montreal, must-win game, and got them a win. And played very well. Played some big saves. The one thing, when you had suggested the other day,

I agreed with you because they needed to give a different look to Montreal. That's the one thing in net, because Montreal had gotten a bunch of goals by Lion. It wasn't Lions' fault, but all of a sudden you're thinking, when you're shooting at the net, Lions 5'11, UPL's like 6'6. He's a big monster in the net. So it's just a different look and it paid off.

Now they're down to one after the first period. I was like, I didn't love the Coffield goal. Kind of goes through him, and he's laid on the play. But he made some big, big saves, right shoulder saves, Suzuki, I think hit the post. Now they're going to come back with him tonight. As they should. Yeah.

You got to go back. You got to go to him. You got to go with the winner. They're a tandem too. That's the thing. So UPL at number four. Number three, I got Brett Kulak. Yeah.

You score a series winning O.T. Goal at home. Yeah. Bar play through the roof. Especially as a stay-at-home. Say it again, I always liked him in Edmonton. He seemed to be as, you know, plays every single game.

Yeah, steady influence back there and just, you know, good soldier and just had to get rid of him for some young, skilled guy from Nashville or whatever the hell they did. Spencer Stashney, but no, he's going to be a UFA, so they had to sign him, and that's the one thing. He's going to get paid in the offseason. Hulak? Yeah, he didn't settle in in in in Colorado.

It took him a while to settle in, but he's settled in now. He's a great skater. Well, there's a guy right there that should just look at his situation and be smart about it with his agent, and don't go try to be a number two D man somewhere, and then everyone's, going to hate your guts before Christmas. Find the right situation.

Make sure the money's good. Be a second kind of third-paring guy. Be what you are. He's a five. Yeah, he's a five. So don't go to a situation where someone's going to try to doctor you up and doll you up into being a two or three because you're not. No, think about it.

Good player, though. Good skater. Love him. Love him. He hit the middle of the net, but that's all you had to do. Like, Nate just made an unbelievable play. That's what you need to do. No, I don't.

But, yeah, like wide open. It was a brilliant play. Yeah. And Kulak got it off. Sticking with the O.T. theme, Dorothea, too. Pavl Dorothea, scores the OTA winner at home. That might be getting paid too. Man, he can shoot the pot.

I think it's a UFA. He can, you know what he can do is he's a finisher. He scores. You talk about Ottawa needing a, like a guy. You need somebody that gets the puck and at one opportunity, back of the net. that's a finisher. And now they have him set up through the seam on the back door on the power play. He's got a lot of goals through that because he's a finisher.

Give him the puck and he does it. He's been a real nice player there for Vegas. Yeah. He's been really good. Yeah, he's a goal score. He's a pure goal scorer. And he scored a massive goal that tilt the series in the favor of the Vegas Gold Knights. I know who's that number one.

Doe bash. No. This guy's got flippers on and a mask. Nate McKinnon. Walking through both. bars in Denver. No gear. Well, not asking for drinks.

Speedo. Where's the pool? He's walking through lobby bars saying, direct me towards the pool. I guess he gets all the boys. Nathan McKinnon. I gets all the boys in the flips to get rid of the lactic acid. Whatever he's doing,

it's working. Because that cat scores literally every single night. Yeah. Every night. He's like, he has, I read a stat this morning. I don't know what it was.

Like, he has the most goals in a stretch in the playoffs, other than like Mario or... 46% of the goals. Like every... Yeah. 46% of the games he plays in the playoffs, he scores. Yeah.

So it's one every two games. Scores all the time. And he's on a streak right now scoring every single night. And last night was a big, big one, clearly. This won't happen, but your boy, Dorafiaf, going to get paid. He's an RFA.

Offer sheet? Mm. To jam them up. Jam up. Interesting. Because they, what are they going to do with Ross was Anderson? Do they pay him? Again,

The one thing I've heard in talking to managers and that is a lot of teams have more money now because the cap going up so you're not going to see offer sheets. You know a bunch of teams are going to have internal caps where they're just not going to go. You might not go? Some good markets too that are just going to say we're not spending for that. But what I'm saying is if you get offer sheeted, a lot of teams might match it just based on they do have that money. But you could jam up a team. You know, you start looking at teams that either have young players pushing through and you got a guy in. an RFA that's sitting there.

And you're like, ah, we might part with him anyways. You can offer sheet that guy. You called the biggest offer sheet missed of the last maybe decade or one of the ones. It was Anthony Sorrelli and Ottawa could have off-enheated them. Or a bunch of teams could have, and nobody did.

Because it was at that time that a bunch of Tampa Bay players were getting paid. Tampa was pushed up. And you could have jammed them up and you could have pushed them up against the wall. Nobody did. Now the player has to sign it, too. That's the one thing. Through it. The player has to go,

I'm ready to move on to organization X because I'm getting paid quadruple what I'm getting paid here. Best Bud's coming up. First update of the day we've been so busy here. PGA Championship. Your boy, the pot keeter is three under. The pot

eater, sculling shots all over Augusta National. Well, what about that smelly Jerry Higo? What to tell noodles what he did. Garrick Higo showed up to his tea time late and got hit with a two-stroke penalty. Tea time. He was late.

Yeah, and then afterwards he goes, I don't need to be 10 minutes. Stop my job to be there 10 minutes early. What? Yeah, actually it is. It's a major championship. You're not playing a pitching pudd. So,

that shows up late. He was 1 under. He'd be in the lead. Buddy, I know you just playing casual amateur golf. Look at this guy's salad, too. He's just got a wild look. To be penalized to start a major championship like that. You would have smoke coming out of your life. This guy's got a pony and everything.

Is he from Australia? He's South African, I think. He looks like he had a time the night before. Yeah, there's a pony. He's got the Steven Seagal going. That might be the case. He just had a huge night the night before. I would be untilled.

You're right. Himinez. By the way, you have a good championship? I'd be out. Yeah, right off the bat. You're two over before you put a peg in the ground. That's crazy. Crazy.

And yet, he responded well at Augusta, when he sculled a ball over the first tee. He shot 80 that day. He was like, I can't do this anymore. But there was a lot. of people talking like they were going to destroy this course. I know, not on day one. So Justin Thomas, three under, my boy.

Scotty Schaeffler, three under. That's scary. The Jeffler's still out there. Cam Young? I don't see Cam. I see Corey Conner's a two under out there. Nice. Your boy, Patty Reed's two under.

Pete and Patty Reed in that deep rough. Yep. dropping balls in there. They'd be playing soccer underneath that grass. Yep. Capco one under. Speeth and Rom one under. Shafley, two under. So a lot of big boys are out.

out there and still playing and putting up numbers. Bob McIntyre with the worst gear on tour. He's out there at one under. Bobby McIntyre, please call our boy Donnie Nichols, please. Yes. Sam Burns is out there and is Peter Malar gear looking like a million bucks and he's even par. I don't see, where's

Cam Young? Cam Young's even par, he's still out on the course. Also in Peter. Bobby Mac's clothing company and they're like, we're out with the new stuff for a major and they take a pick of Bobby Mac and it's the same orange shirt that he always wears. Yeah, he's still wearing like the 06 summer line. He's got emails that he doesn't check that says, Bobby.

You're eight years behind on your gear. You have packages at the wrong house or something. You're wearing the same gear you were at the Scottish Open at 2014. At the USM, you participated in. All right, Best Buds coming up. Overdrive continues. Powered by Fandual. Catch everything soccer with Bell's game time.

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Larea for coming in. Best Vets powered by Fanduel. I'm on the over in the Hab Sabers game. You think of lots of goals. I do feel like it's going to be an electric night. It just feels to me like a you into it that maybe the goalies weren't going to have a night. I could see something like that happening. I could see a backup going in like, you know, three goals on nine shots. You're out. It's three one.

Blackwood out last night. Doesn't matter. They still win. That's just Colorado's got such a heat. Like they must be, they're terrifying teams right now. Yeah. But I'm on the over on that game. Best bets powered by Fandole. Same game. Parley's available for every Stanley Cup play out game on the Fandall Sportsbook. Yeah. Please play responsibly 19 plus physically located in Ontario. All right. Big hockey games tonight. NBA playoffs continuing.

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