OverDrive - OverDrive - May 15, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 2 on OverDrive! ESPN Hockey Analyst Ray Ferraro gives his perspective of the Maple Leafs' downfall against the Panthers, the inability to show up in a significant game and the spotlight on Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner's declining series. They also dive into Caleb Williams trying to avoid being drafted by the Bears and the first round of the PGA Championship. 

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Let's go. Endered in a Subaru. CHUM AM Toronto is TSN 1050. Hour two Overdrive continues powered by FanDuel bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Brian Hayes, the Odog, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennan. Get a big hour for you. Ray Ferraro will join us. Ray was between the benches last night.

Get his update on what he saw, what he heard, what it was like down at ice level last night. Quite curious to hear the difference. I'm sure there was a difference between what you saw and heard on the Florida bench compared to the Maple Leaf bench and Yeah, the Panthers I said it last night. They were like laughing man when Bennett scored he and Marchand they were showing it on the big screen the two of them get into the bench and they were literally laughing on the bench and It looked like it was like I honestly just took a shot and it went in the net. Yeah, that was it.

Like that, it was Matt Murray in by that point. Huck came right to him though. Like literally came right to, he was just standing there. Yeah. Like look at the coverage, come right to him. He's like, all right, I'll just put this under the bar. And Hayes, that's a part of your out of body experience. When you look at the score and then Matt Murray's in net,

you're like, what universe am I on? Well, we did have, I thought about this guys last night. Did we not have a Jerry's or some sort of, confirm or deny six months ago, saying Matt Murray will play games for the Leafs, Matt Murray will play a playoff, and like some sort of, did we not? Am I in a bizarro world? Yes we did. My good friend, lifelong friend texted me this morning saying,

do I not remember a Jerry's where Matt Murray was going to play in the playoffs? Yes. And I said, I think you're correct on that. I believe so. I don't remember what number. Who came up with that Jerry's? Jerry's six months ago though guys, six months ago that was, we were saying at some point Matt Murray will play a game or Matt Murray will play a playoff game for this, you know,

and, and we were like 0% like I would love to know what the context of that Jerry's was and when it was the exact date and what we said the three of us collectively said like I that's more I mean I'm sure there's we gotta find that we somebody's gotta find that or somewhere in the arc you want to know who we should get on tomorrow for 10 minutes and just pick his brain because he's upset and he called me today my part see Luke Wilson's upset. Yes. He is yes So maybe we'll just get a little football player perspective a leaf fan what he's seeing what he needs to see going forward Because my part C I could hear it in his voice a tear running down his eye today

He's pissed very difficult very difficult to accept what happened last night So I was in the building, but I was up top. And we have a guy on the line that was in the building, but right in the middle of everything, right between the two benches. You could not get a better perspective on the sights and sounds of whatever that was last night than from our good friend Ray Ferraro from ESPN joining us here on the Maple Toyota hotline. Ray, you've been

in that exact spot, what, hundreds of times? Where does that one stack up for you, that experience between the benches last night? Oh, that was something, that's for sure. You know what game I thought of? You might remember this. I don't even know how many years ago it was. They lost 9-2 at home to Nashville. And fans were tossing some jerseys on the ice. Why I compare it to, obviously one was a regular season game and this one was way more important. It was like, because there was nothing. Like there was no, there didn't feel like there was fight or pushback or will or energy like nothing

how's that possible ray like i don't get it like oh i don't get it because like you know they played for the first two games of course but then into the up to that 3-1 lead in the third game right there in they're in control of the series now they still get the overtime of the third game and Nylander has that really great chance Bobrovsky made two or three really good saves in overtime like they're that close to virtually finishing the series and it's like they've just lost it. It's like they're, it feels like Florida can just shift after shift after shift just just grind them to a pulp and there's no pushback and part of it is style, part of

it is the way the teams play but I think part of it is there's a belief in Florida. Like, they just believe. And I guess that's what success does. Like they just believe. And last night outside of Nylander, in the first half of the game anyway, like there was nothing. They had two goal posts at the start of the second.

Nylander had the breakaway in the first period I can't even think of a shift where you're like wow they really had good zone time They got a couple of you know a couple of chances or a couple of shots And then the next line carried it forward like there was nothing that was that was a demolition last night Yeah, it really was and we haven't even talked about Nylander because we've been focused on the two other guys predominantly and we'll get to them momentarily. But Nylander even last night, I have a difficult time describing his game because you mentioned it he got loose a couple times, he had a couple of breakaways.

Now he kind of cheats on them. He's an opportunist. He's an opportunist. Yeah, absolutely. If you're going to try to label him playing great right now because of them, I'm sorry, it ain't happening. Well, and that's where I was gonna go because on the fourth goal, the Mikula goal, he mails in the check below the goal line. Like, it was unbelievable to watch. Hey guys, you could go through any goal last night. Yes, that i guess what i'm saying is that they turned it over matthews and riley turned it over twice or three times in five feet

and and then x-labs wide open uh... uh... with the second goal the martin backhand pass martyrs was the third martyrs was third that was the book for school ray before we get was the third. Marner's was third. That was the book for school. Ray, before we get to the third one. The second one was the one that deflected the slap shot. Yeah, soft love. Yeah.

And that's probably a tough, you know, that's the way it goes. The third one looked like a summer league play. Yeah, that's the Marner play. If you just think about this though, so he made the backhand spinorama pass that went right to the Florida defenseman almost at the center dot. He was inside his own side of center, but it was right to him. So obviously the puck comes out of the zone. Barners 15 feet inside the zone. They pass it up to Reinhardt and Boquist gets to the net in front of Marner.

Boquist had to come obviously outside the zone to be onside. And he still skated past him. It's just crazy. We're watching it. It's crazy. Where did he go? After making the pass, which I honestly don't think Yeah, it's just crazy. We're watching it. It's crazy.

Like, where did he go? Like after making the pass, which I honestly guys, I can't think of anyone else that or any other time that I've seen that in a playoff game. Like it just, it was stunning to watch. And then you're like, well, how did he get to the net so fast like it was just a it was a brain lock night for everybody there there's not like oh said about you know a Nylander you know basically saying like the bar for good or bad I mean like the bar last night for if you're looking for somebody

that played good was that's a pretty low bar. Ray what do you know we you know we played Jerry's percentages and we started doing mini Jerry's percentages. Oh boy. So what's your mini Jerry on them picking themselves off the mat and and and putting up some kind of performance tomorrow night like dead honest I Just can't believe they can do that again

Like I can't believe they play like that again. I just I I Don't know. I I guess somebody asked me noodles the series against the Rangers They asked us they asked me Lily were you against the Rangers they asked us they asked me like were you in that series I'm like yeah it was six nothing six nothing like they were so first two games were six we didn't score until the second period of the third game yeah in the series that's what it is if you I might have this number wrong but if you go to the 3-1 goal in game 3, so that ended up after that it was 4-1, then it was 2-0, and it was, so it's 12-2 in goals since that

time, since the 3-1 goal in game 3. It's 12-2. And I'm like, they can't throw in the towel like that it just doesn't seem possible but I don't but it wears who's gonna lead the fight like who's who's gonna drag everybody's energy to another level and you can you know the coach can have the best speech in the world and that that can only go so far like somebody's got to be able to to energize and

inspire Their team and I just don't know where where is that going to come from given? What we saw last night, so I'm gonna say I think they'll play better But man if they go to Florida and win, I that's a major upset for me. I'm with to say I think they'll play better, but man, if they go to Florida and win, that's a major upset for me. I'm with you. To follow up on that, let's say hypothetically they win. How many Jerrys, how likely is it, in your opinion, that the reason they win tomorrow

is predominantly because Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner put the team on their backs. Isn't that as shocking? Wouldn't that be as shocking? Yeah, I mean, I would say most times that would have to be almost like 90%. But they've both been so silent in this series. Like I don't like Matthews has had I think 11 or 12 shots around the low key you know like greater in front of the blue paint around the front of the net he's got no goals obviously you're like geez he's got a score eventually but he just I think I said this last time every time I watch

him live now he seems like he's behind the play a little bit. Like he doesn't lead the charge, he's kind of like coming in from behind. And I don't know if that's a health thing or a style thing or whatever it is, but he doesn't inspire that fear. I'm looking at like what happened out in Edmonton over the last little bit here. So they're eight and one since they were down two games to nothing to LA. And part of the deal there, they've got certainly depth scoring. Theyytl, I think we saw last year and we see it now, like they're assassins, those guys. Like they're killers.

Dry Cytl, they needed them to check for two games. So we played with Pudkosen and Kapanen and they shut down Eichel and they won the series. Like I just think that that in my mind elevates Dry Cytl. I already think he's one of the best players in the game but that to me they're like this is what we need you to do he's like yep I'll take the challenge or however the call the conference went and he did it and like that's that's what is on the plate for toronto like that do you think florida's gonna go there play terrible

no chance they'll be ready tomorrow they won't celebrate or anything last night how far are you away from saying from what you saw last night that matthews and marner are assassins that seems like it's eons away from even coming to that conclusion yeah i i would i don't think I would even, right now, like the... It's not even an opinion. The fact is what we've seen. Over the last couple of playoffs.

Like you could, you know, you can nitpick guys games apart all you want, but it got down, last year McDavid won to Con Smythe. Dry-Cytle, you know, a couple of years ago when he was apart all you want but it got down last year McDavid won the Conn Smythe. Dry Cytil you know a couple of years ago when he was on one leg and he I don't forget how many points he had he was like an amazing series and he had that high ankle spring like these there they have found it or they have it and the guys in Toronto have never have never approached

that and we're guys if we if we go through this call next week again like we have the last five years we can't do it again can we no except the answer is no they're not all gonna be back back. Oh, God, no kidding. It was not a five years in a row. I think we could probably just play the tape. You would think. Although I might have thought that way. By the way, it's more than five.

It's more than five. That's been nine, I guess. Let's deal with that next week if it happens because you're right. I think there'll be a lot different opinions this time and especially with Marner's contract and Tavares' contract like you know I think there are extenuating circumstances that are are coming up with that. Ray, let's let's look at tomorrow's game. What do you need to see right from the drop of the puck for this to be their competitive

game or where the Leafs could be you're not only in it can walk away with a win there when I think of the Leafs best games this year and you know it's obviously harder to you know to think about it from a regular season to now but when they've had to play and they play their best they they skate and I'm not talking about with the puck like they check they check forward they're in the offensive zone they they smother teams in the middle of the ice because they're really a pretty quick team and their um their intention is to carry the game to the other team. And of course, that's not always going to happen, right?

And it's hard to do against Florida. But the intention has to be right from the drop of the puck, we're playing that way. We're going in their zone. Whether the exits are clean or not, we're going to skate whether the exits are clean or not, we're going to skate and push the pace. They just, Barube said something before the first game. He said, I want us to take the game to them. I don't want to wait and see how they're going to

play. And in the last couple of games, it almost seems like they've been overwhelmed and they're kind of like trying to dip their toe in the water of the game. I think tomorrow, clearly you don't have any choice, you got to play play forward with the puck. Be aggressive. When you chip the puck in, get a bump in, and get a second guy on there. Now like Florida comes out of their zone at will. Like when I when I what what when I see Nikol Mikhailovas skate the puck out of the zone with no pressure, I'm like, that's not Bobby Orr. Like, get to him. He'll make a mistake. But they just they have time and they have support. Like these last couple of games, like Toronto's

not even close to generating a lot of chances. Yeah quick follow-up on that Ray is so is that the identity of what the Maple Leafs are when they're good like that's the one thing we've said this all along like we know what the Florida Panthers identity is for the most part right they play hard they've got some skill they plot structure they got a good goaltender what is is the Toronto Maple Leaf's identity? Like is it Craig Barube? Is it you know he wants to play, play hard, play fast, play physical? Like that's something that I think hasn't been defined or it hasn't been, we haven't seen it certainly the last three or four games. I think it's defined in theory that it's got a, you know, it is a simpler game, a simpler

approach like that's what they've tried to do I think throughout the season is create a team that could play at this time of the year. The biggest problem I guess becomes is, you know, you can only not be what you're you are for so long like they're their best players to they don't play the same way as Florida's best players right like until last night I think Reinhardt had a couple assists I think they finally got somebody to 10 points last night in the playoffs. They had eight guys with eight points. Yeah. Like you see what I mean? Like their identity, you can see it. Toronto is I think what they want and what they have are two different things and they, the going got

choppy, the water got choppy for them and they couldn't approach it last night like they they got pushed out really fast like even when it was zero zero and Nylander had that breakaway and Bob made the save the end of the first period i think the shots were 15 to four or something but it was one nothing and you're like oh that didn't even feel like you know when you see a team go out and just like they exhaust themselves in the first period you're like oh they're good that's it they don't have any more it didn't even feel like that for Florida and as it turned out it wasn't like they got better yeah so I think that's the biggest problem Jamie that's a good way of putting it is that like their identity, I think they're

90 games into the year. They're they still would. I think the vision is More Florida style, but they don't have the players To play that way. They're kind of stuck a little bit in between, I think. What was it like between the benches in the third period last night? Well, not much to say from Toronto's side. You know, like the chirping was pretty one-sided. I mean, after a while, the only thing you've got is, you know you right like what else you gonna say? There's not going on when it's five cops. The old Western League comeback. There's no comebacks. No there's no so you just sit there and like

take jabs to the nose like when there was a Leaf power play you'd hear every once in a while you know like oh there's another power play for you guys you know and like there's nothing to say it was you know, it's kind of like Oh, maybe maybe that's good for you guys. Like there was no there's no push. There's nothing to say it was one-sided and As the game, you know, I think there's a certain point like in the third period My play-by-play guy Sean McDonough asked me he goes right What are the Leafs trying to get out of here goes where one of the least try to get out of here and i think it is trying to get out of here like

at that point they're like it's one of the people but what else you can do if the night is uh... that last night was because the theory that the over whatever is just short of a disaster last night with a disaster

like great great next to a disaster kids about a chance right but oh my gosh that was I would have never thought that was gonna be the way that game was played every other games a one goal game game game four was two nothing you know like you'd think like that's how the series is gonna play at this point and then all of a sudden they just get you know they get their lunch handed to them. Yeah, and it just kept getting worse and worse and worse. It never stopped being bad. That's the amazing thing.

If you ask me right now, I'd say, you know what, what are the chances of a Florida Edmonton rematch and I'd say probably pretty good. I was about to ask you that. If I gave you that versus the field, every other combination would you take Edmonton for it? You know what? Dallas still scares me because I think if they can get by Winnipeg, that gives Miro Haskin in another few days, you'd think he'd be better.

Dallas-Edmonton would be a hell of a series. I think Dallas will win that series. But Matt, the way Edmonton's played right now, I think I'd take that. I think I'd take Edmonton, Florida. Yeah. I've been so impressed with Edmonton since really, I'd say more game five against LA. But like game three and four at home, they came back and they won, but it was still kind of weird seven four games

But like that game five in LA they put on a clinic down there and I think they won that game three won and And since then that was the one they were way out the shots were like yeah 33 to 8 or 10 or something right like since then they they have just Edmonton looks unbelievable, but you know what though that like I say like it looks like they've found something Like it looks like they've found a way that they want to play and it's not just 29 and 97 dragging it It's you know, it's it's depth. It's the goaltender It's it's all of a sudden Bouchard, his game is quiet, but it's really good. And this

Klingberg all of a sudden looks like the Klingberg in Dallas years ago. He doesn't look like the guy who was... What about Brett Kulak? I thought Ekholm was going to be... No, Ekholm was a death blow against Vegas. Yes, everyone did. Yeah. And holy man, Kulak's been awesome and Bouchard is playing the best hockey he's played this year, like by a mile. There's a stat and I think the number is 14 and 2 that in games 4 through 7, in the last two years of series, Edmonton is 14-2, games four

through seven. So as the series goes on, they just get better and better. And Maurice said yesterday before the game that he felt like each series of course is different and Toronto plays different than Tampa and he thought, you know, they didn't play very well early and he thought the more reps of the series His team gets better if that happens and kind of what's happened in this series I think and it's the same in Edmonton too. Yeah, it really does take a level of confidence to be able to weather the storm Early like Florida's down to nothing in the series.'re down 2-0 and 3-1 in game 3 and yet they they just never looked like they were uncomfortable they always felt like they'd figure it out they did Edmonton the same thing like

the cream rises to the top that's that's the beauty of a best four out of seven that's the beauty of the playoffs is generally speaking the best team standing at the end. Yeah, the fortitude that, like we're talking Florida in particular, that they had to feel some panic, didn't they? Down two-nothing five minutes into the third game. You would think they would, except they never really got too far off track and they kind of the second period I guess of that of game three Saved Florida's season Because they were done if Toronto wins that game. They're done. Yeah, you're not winning four straight

I mean some I guess it does happen, but you know, it doesn't happen very much and so for all of this Toronto can look and say look we were that close and and Then it got away from us Can they get it back one more time to get the game? You know get to a game seven. I man. It's a tall ask Ray before we get you out of here. I was speaking to somebody From the whalers days yesterday And he was talking about a podcast and he said whatever the podcast that Peewee and Dragger are on, how did you get the nickname Peewee? Like who started calling you Peewee?

Joel. Just Q wasn't it? Yeah. Yes. So what? He just looked at you and said you're Peewee now or like how did it come about? You know guys were sitting around whatever and he's like ah Peewee, Peewee, you're up there Peewee, Peewee, your line goes up there. It was in camp and I'm like, peewee? And all of a sudden, like that was it, finished.

I'm 60 years old. I, they still call me peewee. I'm not getting taller, right? So this is like, this is it. That's going to be on the casket, man. Yeah. It was Joel, definitely, 100%. Joel Quinville. Joel Quinville responsible for that.

40 years later, you're still dealing with it. Yeah. Peewee. That's incredible. Yeah, that's, and if, and you guys know Joel, like, and he does it when he talks, like, his hands are going a lot, and the right hand is always up like extended you know because that's the hand he makes his points with and he's you know like oh

Peewee Peewee your lines up there Peewee oh you'll go get us a goal there Peewee. It was impossible not to laugh every time he talked because it was just his style of talking it was yeah I'm happy for Joel that he's back I'm happy to see him back in Anaheim. I think he'll do a great job. Yeah, that team's an interesting one. They've been really off the radar for a few years, right? Really just a team in transition, getting out of the Gatslaf era, the Perry era, and all that.

Now it's like they got all these young kids, and Verbeek and other Hartford whaler. He's down there running the show and and and then they go they go across town and uh... kenny holland's got a new case so that's a lot of change in california this year no kidding no kidding to say nothing of that cover will get into that once the playoffs may become the and what could be by the way adam's you'd have a great line in

in this press conference today they were asking about uh... you know, the offensive game for the Canucks. And he said, well, fortunately for you people, I was such a gifted offensive player. And if you ever saw Foddy play, the puck was not his friend. So he was, uh, but I mean, oh, did he ever, he was in that. Hey guys, he was in that group of defensemen that you're like

Do look at those guys him and the hatchers and they were they were mean mean guys to be around It just looks like it. You just look at foot. You're like this guy is not happy At all. This is gonna be a problem fighting for this puck But that's that's the way it used to to be we'll see how it goes move forward out there uh... greets allot change will feel it goes in florida that's right more right like that not that you're gonna get back

they need will any spirit and backbone yes and if you can find that early in stay in the game early then you give yourself a chance to believe because you can't let it go before like you can't go in there and just hope you can hang in there that'll never work no no you have to fly down there believing you're winning you have to believe that we'll see if it comes to fruition tomorrow night thanks Ray appreciate it you bet you guys have a good one and we'll be watching talk Talk to you soon. We will.

All right, there he is, Ray Ferraro, joining us here on the Maple Toyota Hotline. Drive the built-in Canada fuel-efficient fun to drive Toyota RAV4 gas or hybrid models available. Visit mapletoyota.com. That is a big part of it, the mentality of actually believing you can do it. And that's where the other guys come in.

Like, again, we talk about the five guys who've been here forever. But I got to think, Tana's flying down there thinking we can win Scott Lawton You gotta hope Joseph well we haven't talked about him a lot today But yeah, you know you get pulled and it was pretty ugly last night his team obviously was terrible But he couple goals you're like I wouldn't mind well the Mika let goals So that's the one like that goes through him and and that's not even inside the post. That's a foot and a half inside the post. Like it's straight shot, like you need to make that save. He was late on the play. You know, I just, that was a bad goal. They were all awful, goalie included. Like every single one of them was awful.

Yeah. Yeah, you can. It was something else last night, man. But it would be the leafiest thing ever for them to go down there find a win and then everyone's back in the building on sunday night right you get to a game seven anything's possible what a weird reaction for the people like you know me people i had listened to today they're like

done sorry that right that will walk right back in there on sunday that's the thing where somebody said well you said you were done, but guess what? They're coming back home and I've got tickets. It would be a fascinating reaction to see people. Yeah. As you know damn well, they'll go back into that course. That building of potentially more torture. Sunday night, long weekend.

It'll be the craziest atmosphere you've ever seen in your life. Bring it. Find a way to do that. Find that you owe it to your fans To go down there and fight and try to pick up a win All right, we got Pierre coming up. We got Rex Hoggard day one of the PGA. We're tracking that We'll get to that in about an hour overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSN to Track of the PGA we might have to add a player or two.

I think that's reasonable. I think at the end of the show we get dialed in with a couple of adjustments. We'll get a look at a leaderboard and make some adjustments. Yeah, I like that idea. I will say, you know, shout out to Quill Hollow. The course is holding up.

I predicted yesterday the leader would be, you know, eight under par or something like that. It looks like we're maybe five, six under par. Still a lot of guys still out there. It's always weird, the PGA, because you get about 40 or 50 golfers in the field. You've never really heard of them before in your life. Never, dude. And like always on day one, one or two are like lurking and you're like, who is that guy?

You want to know one of them as far? Sergio Garcia have you seen the gear this guy's been putting on He looks like you go into a booth at a carnival and you pay 20 bucks and watch a guy do trick shots with red pants His gear is insane Yeah, what's the deal with that? I don't know. I know he's got like yellow pants with orange shirts. He looks like a carnival trickster where it's like,

come on up and pay 20 bucks and watch this guy hit a flop shot backwards. He looks like a carny. Doesn't care, right? Well, I guess you're just beholden to the clothing companies, but I don't know. Dude, how is this? Look at this guy's gear. How is he still qualifying for these events?

That I don't know. What did he win? That I don't know, man. I mean, Sergio, he won the Masters in 18 or 19. I don't know if that gives you a 10-year exemption for the PGA. Oh, maybe, yeah. I don't know. It might. And he's got world rankings, which I'm sure have plummeted since he left

for Liv. Well, I don't think Liv golfers get world rankings. No, they don't. But I guess, you know, you used to have whatever you used to have, and then it's an accumulation of what you do at the majors and other tournaments. But I don't know, it is a good point. Like, how is Sergio still in there? I don't know. I don't know. It is a good point like how is Sergio still in there? I don't know do you look that up how Sergio is actually wearing that gear first of all and

Qualifying for the tournament Okay, so they're saying it's that's his fireballs uniform. I guess is dude. I don't care if yeah It doesn't matter. He gets paid 40 million a year to wear that gear. It's the worst gear on earth He gets paid 40 million a year to wear that gear. It's the worst gear on earth Get call Donnie Nichols and get some Peter Millar stuff on that's right fire up some Peter Millar Join the club and start looking the way you're supposed to look but you see the report from Golf comm or something that I guess Trump when he was over Arabia, was going to lay down the law that live is not going to continue. Which I found it interesting.

In the comments people are like, aren't there other things to be doing over there? He's like worried about golf. Yeah. Someone wrote, it's just like basically Tiger like Trump is a fan boy around Tiger. Like he just, he can't be around them without being giddy and you know, cause all this guy wants to do is golf. You know, Trump loves to golf and Tiger is Tiger. So I guess Tiger was summoned to the white house last week and laid out to Trump like,

here's how to approach it. This is what you got to do and say. And I guess he was going over there to basically say, you know, you need to broker a deal and the and Liv's got to be over. That's done. And it's going to be the PGA tour. So I don't know if that ended up happening or not. Maybe you know, other things got in the way like actual foreign policy as opposed to golf

foreign investment. Yeah, possibly there were other things that got in the way of that. But this guy's saying just shut Liv down and let's get this PGA tour only. And let's start wheeling and dealing. Like if we're going to make these arms deals and all this other stuff, like also what has to happen is Liv's got to go. So it's a bargaining chip. It's like bargaining like, OK, we'll give you some, we'll give you some artillery.

We'll give you a piece of the White House, but you got to get rid of Liv. So yeah, I don't know if it ended up happening or not. So one story that we referenced last hour is Seth Wickersham of ESPN, who's a really good reporter. He's got a book coming out about quarterbacking in the NFL. In it, he's got quotes from, I believe, Caleb Williams, but certainly Caleb's father. Caleb Williams' dad is quoted in this a lot about how much they tried to avoid going to Chicago because the Bears are known as being a quarterback graveyard. They've never had great quarterbacks.

They've never developed great quarterbacks to the point where they were looking at maybe the CBA and suing or going to a different league, like pulling back in the day when Joe Theismann was like, I'm going to the Canadian Football League. Why wouldn't he just not show up and just say, trade me, I'm not gonna pay Eli Manning? I don't have the answer on that.

Like I haven't, obviously the book, I haven't read the whole thing to explain exactly why I came to it. And I guess the Bears told them, it doesn't matter what you think you're doing, we're drafting you. I know, but Eli Manning said, go ahead and draft me, but I'm not showing up. So trade me or I don't show up. I'm curious as to why they didn't activate that option either.

You know, I don't think Caleb Williams is good enough, quite frankly. He was a really good player, first overall pick. Eli, I don't know if Eli was a better prospect or not, but he had the Manning name behind him, so a lot of power there. But what I find fascinating is he's had his rookie year, he's the Chicago Bears quarterback, and now it's out for the Bears organization and Bears fans to know this guy wanted nothing to do with you It's crazy and there's a chance. He's still miserable there. I mean Didn't well, that's the thing like it's one thing and maybe he played the year and he got adjusted because Chicago's such a great city He fell in love with the city. Maybe he's got a girlfriend. Maybe the he fell in love with the fan base. I Don't know but now it's like, are you serious, dude?

We actually hate you a year into your tenure when we thought we were boys. Doesn't he have to go on the apology tour, but don't you have to win back the fans? Well, what about your PR person to not not like put a lock on that stuff exactly that's what's amazing all the dad comments all the thoughts all the stuff written down like that stuff's locked and ripped up and burnt and it's never coming out how dumb is that well once once the authors got it got you on the record there you're not you know this guy's got to sell books and this is the first time hearing of it so I'm not surprised because this is going to create a big stir

I do think Bears fans for the most part are probably reasonable though that they know their history Yeah, no winning. It's a disaster like they had the first overall pick for a reason you know I think it might have been Carolina's pick technically, but they had the first and the fourth pick I think because the Bears stink all the time. They never compete. The only quarterback of substance in the last 30 years has been Jay Cutler, and he was good. He wasn't great. He was good.

So I think you've got to be careful if you're a Bears fan saying, how dare you? How could you really blame anyone for looking at that operation and thinking this isn't in my best interest. You know, this is a bit of a problem and a little bit concerning. Because there's teams all throughout the sports world for different layers, different levels

in which a young player would look at it or a coach, prospective coach, we talk about it all the time, perspective coaches that are like that's just i'm gonna get higher there and i know i'm getting fired it's a mess to disaster ownership stinks there's no management there's no culture there you know it's no different with players

uh... you just don't generally going to that team and then afterwards a book comes out where everyone finds out how desperately you try to avoid that situation. Well you talk about that like that would be a question I'd be asked like for if I was a coach in the Boston Bruins called me up and said hey you want to coach here I'd be like you've cast two Hall of Fame coaches in the last, what, three years? Yeah. So what would be my advantage to go with?

Like, what do you guys do? Just one bad stretch? You gas the coach? Like, you would have to ask that question if the Boston Bruins called you up, man. It's fair. It's fair to ask that question and be like, maybe it's not the coaches, it's the lineup. Yeah. I mean...

Yeah, like gas Monty. Like, what if you were some unproven guy? You'd have to be saying yourself. They just gas Monte Yeah, like what am I in for here? Absolutely, and listen, that's some guys take it because that's their option. That's their foot in the door But if you have options, that's why a lot of coaches say no, thank you you know, I'm not even gonna take the call or I'm not interested and You know and your your reputation your culture. It's always at stake. It's always developing

It's always taking a different turn Florida's a great example of that like the Panthers five years ago, let alone ten years ago We're an outpost in the league like they were just they'd never won They never made the play they went we didn 12, 13, 14 years without making the playoffs? Yes. And it was just like what's the point? Like there's ownership turnover, no one comes to the games. And now it's a dream job. You know, now it's like you're dying for it. Now like if Bill Zito ever became a free agent as a GM, you know how many teams in the league would fire their GM immediately to hire that guy?

He's an out of the box thinker and very passionate, apparently really good to the players. The guys love him. And Vinny Viola, who's the owner, and he's a unique person, put it that way. Apparently they all are. Well yeah but they put like they built an unbelievable state of the art facility in Fort Lauderdale like they go play in Sunrise and I thought I've always thought that they built the rink in the wrong spot but all the guys live in in you know the Fort Lauderdale area and that type of stuff you know there's guys that take golf

carts drive it to practice from their home go practice and then in the Fort Lauderdale area and that type of stuff. There's guys that take golf carts, drive it to practice from their home, go practice and then back on the golf cart and away they go. Like it's, they've created this identity there. And you're right, winning helps because everybody wants a piece of that. It's always the weather. I mean, the weather was great when I was there,

oh six, we didn't win. Exactly, weather meant nothing for 15 years. But now it's they built this program there Paul Maurice has been a big part of it But Bill Zito man like Huber do for Kachuk we talked about it. It's a difference-maker like literally everything It's when everything changed. Yes when everything changed Paul you could talk about Paul Maurice and yeah, everything changed. You notice how Aaron Eckblad was like a number one overall pick and a skill guy. Now he can't wait to punch somebody in the mouth. Nick Robertson scored last night. He's like, I'm going to punch you in the face for scoring.

Like he's up in everybody's ass and he's just like, he's a pain in the ass. Like it's like you never saw that early on his career but yeah that comes along with just getting grizzled and competitive and Understanding what it takes to win and sometimes you not mr. Nice guy doesn't work. Yeah That is a hundred percent the case plays for keeps. That's what he does it Tell you that like that's that's the one thing I've noticed to some of those guys like it's not about You know flash and dash. It's like you're you're you're we're gonna make life difficult here, and you know what you're you want to come through us? We're gonna take a piece of you

That's what they've been doing every game taking a little piece of you take a little piece of you That's you know and they've I don't know who termed it. I think it was Steve Simmons wrote about they've I don't know who termed it I think it was Steve Simmons wrote about Paul Maurice and he treats it like a prize fight and you know after round after round It's just body shot body shot just wears that shit that was happening last night even in the third you could tell Maurice was yelling Like don't stop don't stop keep keep just bury them make them get on that flight thinking there's no chance Yeah, make it seven one eight one nine one and hit and fight and scrum. It just never it never stopped. It was incredibly impressive from that standpoint.

Pierre Lebrun in 20 minutes. We'll get to Rex Hoggard as well live from Quail Hollow. The Jays back in action tonight. Game three of their series against the Rays and they won last night. Al Kirk, your boy Al Kirk with a big three run shot last night. And the Tigers will be in town this week and also Subway Steers down in New York this week. Soto back in the Bronx. That's going to be significant. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on the TSN app. All right, here's the run coming up in about 20 minutes. Rex Hoggart as well.

Yeah, Winnipeg looking to survive tonight. What a feeling about Winnipeg pushing it to six. Well, they're on home ice, so that's positive. Right? Yeah. That's the difference. They do tend to win on home ice and then get absolutely destroyed on the road.

Maybe let's keep a wrist shot out of the net in the first ten minutes to from just outside the blue line it's a better start get the white out into it yes alibaba's gotta be great tonight he has to be agreed like there's it's no secret sauce c l t to their status teams gotta get like that the whole i get it and should the the rich shot from Grandland.

That's that's you know, it's not Shifely's fault. Right. That's on on the big dog. Set the tone. He sets the tone for the whole team. Like he if he's on his game and rolling in that building's rocking, you get on the board quick. Yeah, Connor scoring, you know, he had opportunities in Dallas. He just couldn't score. Well, you had two great days like one one timer from three feet away and and Otter so

big gets a left pad on it and then a partial breakaway where you know, there's a little bit of pressure from behind. He tries that. I didn't think he tried to go five or tried to go around them and Otter just makes a solid save. But that's the other thing. This Ottinger, statistically, is the best goaltender in the playoffs right now. I think he's got two stolen games as well.

And both of them are technically against Winnipeg. Is that a stat? Stolen game? It is a stat. Stolen games, yeah. It's goal saved above expectation minus the goals against it's a it's like a I don't know there was like that formula. It's Hey, you don't even know what goal expectation is

Well saved above that I know exactly what the anyways the point being is he's leading the playoffs in stolen games Hey, tell me what the x tell me how you get to the number. Hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like, you know, of course he has his name. I want I want the Hayes game for when a goalie is just brutal

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