OverDrive - OverDrive - May 22, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Dave Feschuk for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Analyst Frank Corrado joins to discuss the Brendan Shanahan era ending with the Maple Leafs, the conclusion of his tenure and the foundation he built with the team. They also discuss the Pacers' incredible comeback against the Knicks, Indiana's quest to the championship and the Stars' strong win against the Oilers in Game 1. 

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lesser light that we forgot on the list. It's kind of like a blip, but it was a gong show. The Zamboni driver going into the net yes that one is in a separate category that doesn't even Seem real you know like having the Carolina Hurricanes Resort to a Zamboni driver Putting on the goaltending equipment and winning the hockey game I can't even I can't even blame shanahan for that yeah now i got that is one of those times where i did have a conversation with shanny

i've never heard of so beside himself because i think he was so mad leaving the building and somebody from game ops approached him and said they want to make the Zamboni driver the first star of the game. I think he wanted to just... Can you imagine being that mad and then they're like, they're making this guy the first star of the game.

I guess at that point... Which I'm sure if he wanted to he could have said, not on my dead body, is that guy going to be the first star but i think he just said to the aga i guess at that point what you might as well right like really put the dagger and i don't i don't even remember that i mean the idea that he was the first star but it was the whole story

you know david airs of course was the whole story you're right that was one that was reasonable to bring up for the reason we're doing that brennan shanahan uh... no longer the president of the Maple Leafs. Now stories are gonna come pouring out, right? This is what always happens. After you get a massive, like the king of the county for 11 years, when he leaves, stories start coming out.

Yeah. Right? And it's just a matter of time. You know, again- There'll be stories on both ways, on both sides of it, where he'll probably a reason both ways of the uh... you know both sides of it where he he'll probably want some stories out of some dummies doing dummy things and who knows what else comes out well that's the good point to david you would know this like shanahan might play the game itself

oh yes are talking yeah what's going on by and i would for sure and i can be a cutthroat game i mean the one on your list like for your low light list, Hayes, I love the list that I thought it was bang on. The only one I would add would be the debacle that was the departure of Kyle Dubas. Because that was on Shani, right? The idea that you essentially had the GM

essentially try a palace coup on you and essentially try and take the power after you gave the guy his career You know and he's getting you know Dubas essentially shook down Larry tannenbaum and the Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment board and Shanahan had to fire him I mean that was a real setback because what that did as you guys know It was the summer where you know It was a very limited window there where if you wanted to move off the core four and Dubas talked about maybe making a Kachak

style trade in his last press conference, that was your window to move off the core four and suddenly you had turmoil in the front office, you had to bring in Tree Living. I don't think that. I don't think you can describe it as turmoil, Dave. You brought in Brad Tree Living, I think, three weeks later. And I think it was almost a blessing in disguise that that i would agree with i had a serious and a but i do think moving off to this can be and was actually a positive for this organization

yes a disaster in the moment is when it was but i would say if i wonder shanahan would do that as you know again i don't know all the details from behind the scenes but that he sniffed it out and any column and he wanted yet because the board clearly cited was shannon oh yeah right how is that a died like i'm not trying to get pissy here but how was that a disaster from shanahan's

perspective when this page right to pull that stunt well the disaster was a dog look no i mean shanahan won the power struggle, obviously. Shanahan had the right friends that backed him up and called out Dubas for what was going on here. But my point, guys, was it just, it was an unnecessary and a massive distraction

at a moment where you had to be making hard decisions about whether you wanted to keep these guys around or not, because Marner's No Trade was kicking in. We all know the story about why it was a big window for Making a decision. Do you want to continue with the core four and essentially lock them in to the situation? They're in now where you're going to in all likelihood lose Mitch Marner for nothing or maybe a modest return in a sign in trade So just a refresher here Marner's no movement clause kicked in him only on his last year of his deal It was the 20 the summer of 2023.

The last two years. Am I right? Yes, because they had bought up free agency years, right? At that point. And that was the you can't have a no move or no trade until you're eligible for free agency as a player. So that's what that's why Elias Petersen is kicking in this summer. Pedersen's deal is gonna kick in as of July 1st. The Vancouver Canucks are dealing with the exact same thing right now.

And let's face it guys, you know Dubus was Shanahan's hand-picked guy. And to have that kind of essential betrayal and that kind of falling out. I mean that left a scar guys. Let's not underplay that. I'm sure it would and i a check that if you're shanahan you had to be looking at that guy i think it really

like this i brought you from sues st re and brought you know when no one knew who he was by a gratitude journal pal like yeah and then you try to basically pull off a clue like you said it was like a game of thrones movie was sniffed out uh... and and yet do is the reason he probably had the courage to do it was he knew Pittsburgh was in his back pocket, right? That's exactly why he pulled the stunt because he's like I've got that kind of dough and that kind of power waiting I might as well see if I can get it here. If not, I'm just gonna go get it there, right? Is Dubas not the GM of the World Championship team?

Yes. So, Canada just lost to Denmark in the quarter finals. Dubus has literally never won anything. Like I'm not trying to hammer Dubus because I actually like him. Why not? But why not? I actually kind of like him. I like him personally it's nothing

personal against them but you know never want anything in the oh never want anything in the NHL and I was is a second year being the GM over there and they just lost with Sydney Crosby and Nathan McKinnon and Bennington and that they just lost to Denmark in the quarter finals Wow Wow that is shocking that is I Can't believe that I mean we've been on the air obviously and it's been up on TSN Wow, I thought they were gonna win every game eight nothing I was fully expecting that myself and in credit to Denmark is they've done this a couple times in the tournament like they've stunned teams a Couple and this is as big as a game.

Like this is the kind of thing in Denmark that would be the biggest hockey store in their history possibly. And a home game for them, right? Home game for them. Exactly. And you're beating Canada, man. With Sidney Crosby. Like everything I'm reading from over there is wherever Sid goes, it's like the parting

of the seat. Like I can't believe he's here you know we got to go see this guy Sidney Crosby man that is that is a shocking development possibly equally as shocking that Jays won in 11 innings today and they swept the Padres and they scored what 24 runs in the series they beat the Padres with a 24 to 6 aggregate Wow That is more shot throw that pole up more shocking Jays win 24 to 6 in an aggregate sweep of the Padres or Canada loses to Denmark Crazy, I'm not sure I know what the correct answer would be maybe Frankie Corrado can tell us that here

He is our main man Frankie or TSN hockey analyst Frankie go ahead and answer that for us the J sweep in the pods or Canada losing to Denmark Canada losing to Denmark, okay Okay. All right. All right. Yeah, that's crazy stuff crazy stuff But I don't know like there's you know Latvia beat Canada at the World Juniors I think it's not like this stuff is it can happen It's just these one game things you never know you get into a certain situation the game Becomes tight and it's like, you know, it comes down to one mistake one goal and there you go And that's what happened crazy man

Because there was so much build up and this is when the tourney really starts for Canada whether it's at the worlds, the Olympics, the world juniors, once you get to the quarterfinal. The group stage is fun but you know they're going to win, you know they're getting through, they're likely going to have a very good matchup. But yeah Canada out of the worlds losing in the quarters to Denmark. The big news of the day obviously Brendan Shanahan to denmark uh... the big news that they obviously brennan shanahan uh... is not here you you played for the lease when he was you know the king of the county what is your reaction to the lease decided to move off shanahan

i mean it's it's been a long time so and and and they have a one so it you can kind of see where the road was going to go here but i will say that's like i was i was in that organization year one of Babcock, and there was a lot of turmoil, rocky years prior to that, previous to that. Say what you want about the way things went with the Core 4, he turned that organization into a very stable operation for a long time, and it had been nothing close to that. You know, whether it was, you know, Lou or Babs, you know, for whatever faults those guys had, it became a safe environment for players to play in and succeed on an individual level.

Did they win? No, they made the playoffs a lot though and their young players got better and turned into, you know, superstars around the league. There was a lot of things that went well. Yes, the ultimate goal didn't happen. They didn't deviate from the plan, but they weren't going to deviate from the plan because that was one thing Shanahan made very clear from the moment he got there.

Like, I am sticking to a plan and for better or worse, that's what he did. And so he had a... I think he should be remembered more for bringing stability back to the Maple Leafs organization more than anything else. Yeah, I would agree with that. I'm not sure everyone will see it that way because again, if you're the man at the top, you're expected to win, people are starving for it, but I do think that there's a lot of validity to that, that there was consistency. But he also made this team run differently and he took a lot of his P's and Q's from Lou

Lamarello. You know it was his decision to not let Joe Bowen and Jim Ralph on the plane anymore and media not on the plane anymore and you know not doing this and not doing that you know you know all this kind of stuff where it was like this ironclad and you referenced it from a player's view like protecting the players and and that's what shanahan i'm sure his explanation would be i've doing this all for the players i'm curious if you think it will change with shanahan out do you think it should change do you think this team needs to

open up more do they need to be available more does shanahan again he didn't have that interviews in years as the president of the club you never heard from the guy uh... you know what he's to a certain degree yes but not to the point where it was prior to to shanahan coming in where it felt like you know it was open season at times on on certain guys like it shouldn't necessarily be open season on on Matthews and

Nyland it should be fair it should be critical when it has to be like that no one's going to dispute that um but I I think you know like I had a few experiences where you know I I think there was one article I did with Alter where it kind of it kind of blew up or I said something like the coach you know if the coach doesn't like you you don't play like and but those kinds of things were just so few and far between around the organization. Like they did do a good job of making sure that, you know, it is a little bit of a dome for the players. Now, you know, the other elements that you brought up there, like, you know, your your local media guys that call the game, they're not asking those questions. You know what I mean?

So like you can be a little more lenient in that regard, but it's, you know, Toronto, there's a lot of volume of media members and outlets and everything's based here. Right? So I think there does need to be that element of, okay, we're gonna protect these guys, but at the same time, it doesn't have to be as ironclad you know like there's there's certain members that it's just like they're not asking the hard questions they're not out there to you know to put shine a negative light on

anyone Frankie Hayes was bringing up the contracts negotiations in his most hated things about the Shanahan era listed as hated. It was lowlights. I brought up the idea of, you know, there was an era or a time in the game where good players didn't want to play in Toronto. Is somebody, am I hearing something or? Is there a flush going on there, Frankie? What are you up to? Is there like a jetliner flying by you or what? No, they're practicing how to shovel the ice right now. Oh my God.

So I'm sure this is going to be on Hayes' list of things that he absolutely hates. Oh, that'll be banned. Yeah, nobody allowed on when they're in a rink. How do you need to practice that? Like, go up and down twice. That's a better question yes is showing up and down the ice at down i have back on the white shovel and you're done a straight out try to be in the like try to line up so you're all get a different piece and let's

move on okay anyway to my question there was a time where good players, Canadian markets, all that talk. Do you think the contract negotiations or the idea of just the players leaving that, I don't know, Channy Dubas, the organization just couldn't stomach any of them leaving because they finally acquired some top end talent and they had the ability to lock them up or what is your take on the contract negotiations of how the great or the the top end players for the lease have been handled the last bunch of years?

You know what it's the fear of the unknown like what happens if you don't retain your really talented players and they go somewhere else and they have success because there was a track record of that happening here. Phil Kessel moved on you had to trade Kessel he won two cups. Tyler Bozak moved on he won a cup. Nazem Kadri moved on. You had to trade Kessel. He won two cups. Tyler Bozak moved on. He won a cup. Nazem Kadri moved on. He won a cup. There's been a track record of this happening, and you have supremely talented players. And a lot of people would tell you, I'll always bet on the talent. I'll bet on those guys being able to find a way to break through because they can do it.

And then the unknown is like, well, if you move on for those guys, and you've built this stable operation that's good year after year and making the playoffs, what happens if it fails? How do you answer that question at the end of the year when another guy moves on and wins a Stanley Cup, like if that was Marner or Nylander or whoever? So yeah, I think that fear of the unknown had to play a huge part in it.

And the other part is like those guys, they were willing to bet on those talented players, finding a way to break through. But let's also, we also have to say that the organization was very willing to kind of hedge their bets by signing these guys and saying, we're going to be progressive, we're going to be proactive, the cap's gonna go up. Well, it didn't go up for four years. And everyone had to deal with that, but I think with the way that front office was thinking at the time,

they were trying to be ahead of the curve. And unfortunately, the curve kind of bit them back in a way that they couldn't really maneuver anymore. So they were stuck with what they had, but it always, for me, comes down to, well, what happens if these guys move on and they succeed and we don't How do we answer that question? Frankie I think one of the key moments in Shanahan's tenure here came four years ago when they blew the 3-1 series lead to the

Canadians and Shanahan came out and said we lack killer instinct He brought that phrase into the vernacular leaf land and he insisted at that time that they could acquire killer instinct, they could develop killer instinct internally and maybe externally too. Maybe they could bring in some guys with a little more killer instinct.

But he made the human nature bet that you could change these guys, make them something they had not been. And to this day, I think we all have seen what we've seen when it comes to that category. bet that you could change these guys, make them something they had not been. And to this day, I think we all have seen what we've seen when it comes to that category. How do you feel about that as somebody who's been in a room? Was that crazy of him to believe he could change these guys into killers? It's not crazy to believe that because you don't know until you do it.

You're not a killer until you are. You're not a winner until you're a winner. Like, you know, there is an evolution there where guys have to find a way to become something that they haven't necessarily been. But you almost look back over the years and you say, well, why didn't you surround them with guys that have killer instinct?

Why didn't you surround them with guys that have won? Like, you know, you try and make moves over the years because you have this young nucleus of players, you know, you try and make moves over the years because you have this young nucleus of players, you know, maybe the priority should have been we need to bring in guys that have been branded and labeled champions. No, it's crazy, one of those guys, Frankie, was Patrick Marlowe of all guys. The main guy. The first guy. He was one of the ones that wanted to just follow that guy and what he does.

I was like, you gotta be. Well, I mean, that's a great example. That's a San Jose Sharks team that was the decade ago version of what this team is, but not even because those guys, they went to a cup final and they were going fairly deep into playoffs and these guys didn't do that. And that's not to you know Disparage Patrick Marlowe and the career he had but no but the kicker was you had to give him the third year because he Insisted on it, and then it just all went to hell and then we know that what happened after that

Well, and you know what else I think was happening with that Oh, I think older guys around the league who hadn't won saw how skilled these guys are and saw the operation that the Leafs were running and said, I might be able to attach myself to that and win because these guys are really good. And, you know, McDavid and Dry Sight will get that right now. But with the way things have gone the last little while,

I can't honestly say that veteran guys who haven't won would look at this group and say, I'm going to attach myself potentially to a championship there like there's there's way too much runway now where that conversation has changed whereas you know five six seven years ago it was so optimistic because these guys were so talented and so good in the regular season it's just it's not that right now yeah that's a good point now Max patch already not withstanding I guess right he jumped on and and he was hoping to help them win But you're right five six seven eight years ago. It was like I got to get in there I got to get in there and I got to be the guy that's riding shotgun with these guys

But that is the truth. I mean the Marlowe deal That one could have come up on the lowlights You know that they had to trade they had to get rid of the contract that pick Turned into Seth Jarvis Carolina just said fine we'll take Marlowe's one-year deal because you don't know how to negotiate with anybody and They absolutely sewered themselves the Maple Leafs and Marlowe had a really good first year when he was here good Really good player good pro by all accounts good guy, but yeah, not a winner

Oh, they loved them too, right? They were at the house all the time. Always loved, that's the whole thing. With the Marlowe family. Marlowe took them under his wing. And you can do the history lesson, Hayes, right? And say like this move was wrong, that move was wrong. Having been in the organization at that time, it felt like there was like a little bit of an odor on some of the guys who had

been under the previous administration, where it was almost like we just have to turn a corner and move these guys out and bring in other guys that are fresh and new, where it's like you almost didn't have to label them that way. You just had to evaluate what actually are there. Like Tyler Bozak moved on to St. Louis? They loved them there and he won a Stanley Cup and he was slotted perfectly, you know Say what you want about fail like I get it was probably time to move on Like Nazem Kadri would talk about it all the time But like, you know Maybe you just had to have an individual conversation on on the guys that you're you're dealing with and not just kind of say

Yeah, they were left over from before we just we gotta we gotta move on from some of these guys and you know the biggest one for me and I know like Dion probably like wanted to go try and win somewhere but I think it would have been so important for Matthews and Marner and Nylander to spend a year playing with Dion Fennuff I think that would have done them wonders he is so so good at mentoring young players and relating to them and kind of just teaching them how to be good pros, but the timing didn't work out. It was time for him to go try and win somewhere. He had his own issues still in this market. I don't know. I know. I know. I know. From the inside, you know him as a great guy and everything but it was his time was

up too. Yeah let's not forget the salute gate happened right as Shani arrived. Salute gate. Yeah that was probably why a lot of that odor that you referenced kind of was hanging around. But yeah I mean. I'm sure he would want a mulligan on that. Yep I think so and I think like honestly you even look at like the Tavares signing, like we don't have to go through all this chronological order, but John represented what these other

guys represented. Talents wanted to be here. Never won. Score a goal, but had never won. Like he wasn't coming here because it was like, man, this guy was a winner. It was well talented scores and loves Toronto and you know and that's kind of the that's what rings out you know throughout the years like an eye for talent tons of talent tons of talent eye for wanting

to be here and wearing the jersey and selling jerseys and making the playoffs all that kind of stuff check check check check check. And right now it's like their only option to have that Brendan Shanahan Matthew Kachuk transaction is by guys leaving yeah and you're gonna figure out yeah you're not you're not trading William Nylander for a Matthew Kachuk type player that's not happening you're doing that by process of elimination. It's probably not available to you. The thing about the Tavars thing thing, because like, I agree.

Did you need Tavara's at the time? No, it was, it was a luxury that you wanted to add and it was an expensive luxury, but you just missed on Stamcoast and now you have the biggest UFA. Like is Tavara's the biggest UFA in the last 20 years? It honestly might be considering the way that whole thing went. And you had the biggest UFA for two decades, and he wanted to come to your team, and you were gonna shut the door and say, actually, no thanks, after years

where local guys weren't coming. And I remember being a fan of this team as a younger kid, thinking, it's all American guys coming here. Like, the Burke years, all that stuff, whatever fans were saying and now you got You know this guy who like bleeds blue who wants to come home and you're not gonna do it after you just missed on Stamcoast so I think they almost I don't know felt like they might they may have had to at that point No, I get that in hindsight is 2020

Let's not forget who the coach was still at that time to his Babcock and he was pressing right? He was pressing He was impatient. He had done his pain coming for the first year. And then it was like, all right, let's move here. And they were riding a high at that point. Wanted Babcock, got Babcock. Wanted Tavares, wow, we'll just take him. We got him too.

Like at that point it was like, everything's breaking away. We wanna win the lottery, we won the lottery. Like the first three or four years everything went Shanahan's way like everything everything he wanted he got and it was like wow, this is incredible Where has this been? How is how is this possibly not going to lead to? significant amounts of success if not a dynasty and yet here we are, you know five six years beyond that point and And yet here we are, you know, five, six years beyond that point and we're in the position we're in right now.

It's funny though, Hayes, because the local guy thing I find interesting, right? Like, let's say that is true. You know, Tavares is a local guy. He wants to come home. You have to have him. But you didn't have to have Zach Hyman and then you didn't have to have Connor Brown. And you know what I mean? You go down the list, you're you like well why why did we all the

sudden like the are off this thing when it was a priority what two three years before that and why not just stick with it well exactly and not you know nozzles from london but gta but again by all accounts petrangelo maybe wanted to come out there was a couple years and where with all these guys they knew all their deals were up in literally all of them went overboard like yon son overboard captain and overboard highman overboard

connor brown overboard it was like that was the cost of keeping these young guys because it's a bit literally all of them it was like all their their in-house step players like their so-called deadline acquisition type guys. They all went overboard because of the money that... That was the thing. It was like, we're going to get ahead of it.

We're going to tack on an extra year. So maybe we could know our cost certainty in the caps going up. And then it didn't. And you were stuck with these guys. And it's like, we got to get rid of Janssen, got to get rid of Kaepernick. And you know, Zach Hyman, we couldn't find a little extra for like, I don't know. Like that's where they got caught. Gets back to my low light in the contracts, which again, I get hindsight

2020 and the player has the right to negotiate and all that kind of stuff. But if you, if you stood strong and locked in Matthews, Marner, Nylander, if you got them on eight year deals, even at the money they were making, Matthews would have two more years at 11.6. Mitch would have three more left at 10.9. Willie would have another year at 6.9. Like if they just held, instead of saying fine,

you can have five, you can have six, if they just as restricted free agent said no mcdavid just signed for eight he's mcdavid you're not you you're signing for eight years this is the way it goes

matthews would have two more years left at that money you can't that's that that was the issue you know get now it's the players in the fact that they don't have the dnm the fact is you probably have to move off the many way that's the scary but he's this could have still somehow worked if they could have played better and then clutch and all that other stuff yellow that's that's an alternate reality as well that if they if they've shown our game seven guess what were in the

building for game two tonight and shannon and i think i thought if you're gonna if you're gonna peel back the layers of all of it too, you probably go back to the Willie negotiation and say, like he took it all the way to December 1st and not a lot of people I don't think would be willing to do that around the league. Like how much did that play into things? And it's like, well, if these guys just saw Willie do it, are they going to do it now? And do we want to deal with that?

Or do we'll just kind of, you know, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it and we're not going to force them to take the eight year deals. I don't know. Maybe, maybe they looked at that and said, like these guys mean business and we really, really are depending on these four guys. And if we don't have them and remember how bad Willie was when he came back that year, he couldn't get up and running and then if your team is serious about winning right now You can't afford to have a Marner year like that couldn't afford to have a Matthews year like that

So you swallow it and say okay, whatever you guys need just help us win and guess what they didn't do it Like they hold on their end of the bargain and the team was very very friendly to them That's very true And at the at the end Shanahan did it for a reason because he believed in the guys and they didn't repay them They took everything they could and then they got to the game 7 on Sunday night and said not not gonna happen Not doing it. Yeah, and it must have just been infuriating for him to watch that Alright, Frankie. What's going on over there? What are they working on now?

Tell me they're still out there running their routes. Are they running routes with shovels? No, I don't think they're running the routes right now. I think they're done. It's a great rink. We're in Rimouski. Rimouski? Oh, no, they are.

Here we go. Here we go. Wow. Man, that's a great group. Look at that. They're proud. How much practice do you need it feels like the slap shot scene when they're watching the figure skaters like

what are you doing out there it's that i was running routes like it's a football practice i love it that ice is going to be so perfect so there's a guide with a bit there's a good with there. Y'all move your ass out there and pick it up Is there a is there that guy out there something for you? No, but where's Gardner McDougall's mustache rank in the the history of hockey mustaches? Should be a good one. It's a beauty. It's got to be it could be Mount Rushmore. It should be like it's it's a beauty it's gotta be they could be mount rushmore it should be like it's it's lanny it's dave bad bitch

uh... you know gardener mcdoogal he's gotta be up there i mean that's just as a rule i frankly enjoy yourself beautiful ramusky kovacs say hi to everyone for us alright have a good one there he is, trevianien. There's Frankie Corrado. We'll get into what happened in Dallas last night.

Just a wild turn of events in the third period, man. Dude, I'll be honest with you, okay? I shut it off 3-1. I thought Edmonton was going to win 4-1 empty net. That's what I did, Hayes. I'm like, Sports Center, here we go. I want to see 4 to two empty matter whatever five one oilers

didn't check my phone and i almost crap my pants on my chair i'm like this can't be serious five miles of the third i had this i had the same reaction twice because i was flipping over to the to the ball game last night and the next or up by what thirteen or what i'm i i i think is over i'm done and at once once it got to five three i flip back to tsn they get a case for

center i want to see what's going on and the games at all the time so what what the hell is happening here how is it possible that the paces pushed it over time it happened twice last night simultaneously dallas and new y, it was insane. I don't often do this, Hayes, but you guys know the sport better than me. Isn't that collapse at MSG, like I never put it on the coach, but isn't there some coaching timeouts

like strategic that you've got to be like, what the hell were you doing? Well, we'll come back and get into that. You you can speak to that Dave. I can speak to it I will say this the Pacers were hitting circus shots like it was insane what they were doing But at the same time you got to find a way to stop the bleeding and then you reset for overtime and the Knicks actually Had a good start to overtime and it got away from them even more. So more what happened there? We'll get into that conversation. I got my highlights, my five pack, the highlights of the Shannon Plan era. Okay. We'll get to those. Lots of positivity. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN too. So we're talking about the Pacers comeback last night and they've been doing that all

throughout the playoffs. There was something posted online earlier this morning about how they came back from down seven against Milwaukee in the first round 34 seconds left in overtime won that game down seven to Cleveland with 46 seconds to go in the fourth quarter came back to win that game and last night they were down nine points with 52 seconds to go on the road at the garden the place is going nuts and they thought they won it what was crazy was Halliburton pulls the Reggie choke thinking it was a three and this is like all I could think of afterwards was that could have turned into the biggest meme like worst look ever if you start you know saying choke choke choke

and paying homage to Reggie who was in the building. I gotta be honest if they lost it over time. I thought that was a three. Well it looked like it was a drop you know a step back and he his toe was on the line and it's kind of cool because the crowd is like pointing two at him like they're like no no no no no we're going overtime here. And that was a circus shot it was a great one but it flies up in the air and finds a way to go in

goes into his head but man if if you go with the reggie choke and you don't close overtime i don't think you can ever you know recover from that day now and i would not social media world no way you are never coming back from that if you toss out one of those. Yeah, it's like the worst premature celebration in the history of sports, for sure.

But you know what, there's something about this Pacers team, man. They run you so hard. I was talking to an NBA coach on the phone today. He was saying they're like a race horse that's a closer. Like if the pace is right, they just they just wear you out by the end of the game and and that explains they they're

just such a fast team their pace is they are the Pacers like they're true to their name they play at such a high rate that by the end of the games everybody else is worn out and they're still going and we've seen it you know all those ones you enumerated haze it's just it's an amazing amazing thing to watch really is and Kevin Harlan was there calling it with Reggie he'll join us in about an hour so 3-1 Oilers going into the third last night and then they give up three straight power play goals to Dallas I think they're all for 14 on the road for their power play all for the last 14 on the road and their power play. Oh, for the last 14 on the road in power, in power plays again on the road for the

Oilers. Um, but you give up three straight power play goals. When was the last time you saw that? Like in a period in a big game in a conference? Usually the third power play would never happen. It's like, okay, that's enough guys. No more penalties. Right.

Right. That, that is crazy stuff. play would never happen it's like okay that's enough guys no more penalties right right that that is crazy stuff that's a hell of a shot but it's like i don't know man it's once again it look like skinner turn the thing around but did you guys not see some goals there we're like what on earth are you doing yes the du shane one where he's looking in the corner of the parks on this one here it's like unbelievable. Yeah

in Pickard though I don't get the impression that he's close. I don't even think he flew with him to Dallas so Skinner's playing tomorrow night. Which goes to a crazy thing and I know a lot of the nerds think that you just need a guy back there who can you know just give us this their big philosophy is just give us this kind of goaltending and we can win. Well like Dallas might pump Edmonton, they could. Edmonton's going to have something to say, this series is far from over. But they got Jake Ottinger who's got the best numbers in the playoffs. But Brodsky, like he looks like he might be able to get it done. It's like to have McDavid and have his best years with those two guys in net seems awfully crazy to me.

It really does. Like, to have it as a question mark. You have the two golden nuggets and you're going to put it on the line. And look, he got them within game seven last year. But it just, guess what he did in game seven? He led in a crappy goal. He led in a crappy goal in game seven last year, but it just, guess what he did in game seven? He led in a crappy goal. He led in a crappy goal in game seven. I don't know.

But I'm not sure, O'Dog, though. When you take penalty after penalty after penalty, and the Oilers talked about, they weren't blaming the refs after the game. They were talking about their own immaturity, and immaturity was the word. That is insane how you could take those stupid penalties in this type of high stake situation. Like what does it do when you take all those penalties? A, it puts your goaltender under a lot of pressure and obviously he cracked under it pretty quickly. And that was this is what Nudels would say, Davey, you'd be like, oh that's fine you could blame the goaltending but why are you taking these stupid penalties and giving the other team an odd man advantage?

And the other thing it does, dry side of McDavid on the ice. Penalty killing, right? Generally. advantage and the other thing it does dry side of the mcdavid on the ice penalty killing right generally you had you know the connor brown stake in most of the minutes on on the forward side of that so that's uh... that's a bad recipe man and and but i think they'll bounce back when you know they were they deserve and i think that i was

you talk about a team with some stones the dallas stars to this point like in we can bring up a right back to here, like, it just had a, it had a feel where Florida got up to nothing. Good night. And that's fair. Florida's great team. They lock it down. But that Dallas team, they got some jam. Like they, they battle and they fight and they never believe that it's over. Down to nothing against Colorado in game seven of the first round series and game seven and like going into the third down to cob and they pull it out like that's pretty special stuff down 3-1 to the Edmonton

Oilers they could have been like another game one loss go get on that they score five goals in the third period that's incredible stuff it really is yeah I mean both that we just talked about the Pacers and their miracle comebacks or seemingly miracle comebacks. And they might not get it done Brian, you know they might not get it done but I really truly believe that there's something to be said about just having a grown-ass man competitive mentality where you could look each other in the eye and say you know what when the chips were down you you you know how you know how to play and you knew how to respond and you know how to compete like I don't even know if

these guys like even do that routine where you look the other guy in the eye I don't like it it just doesn't seem like a part of the routine man well I think you're right also you know like you look at what uh... to boarded the third period to start the third period they they were on the power play and he started a second unit like he had put kind of a makeshift unit together because you know his response was

this is a team it basically it's the dallas stars it's not the mico ranted and show now it's not you know ropey hens you have to be on because you get paid a lot and you're the number one center. It's, I don't believe you're rocking. I think this team's, these guys are going to get us out of it. And that's exactly what happened. Like it was brilliant coaching by DeBoer. You know, he just, he, and look who got them on the board. It was like Harley and Heiskenen and you know, it was Grandland. There's just zero entitlement. We don't care what you do or what your numb your salary is or how many you're not starting that power play unit, right?

But here there's not even an option for that. No even an option. It's always been a little bit different And again, maybe that changes as of many times this year it was gonna be like we were talking about the power play units and I would say well you got to take one of the guys off and they were like well it's, well you're not taking Tavares off. I'm like why not? Yeah exactly. Matthew Nyes is in net front presence now. He's going to be the guy. And people will be like oh you're telling me you're going to take the great Jon Tavares and he said I would have his ass off the power play in four seconds if it's for the betterment of the team

he can go out in the second unit that's what needs to happen but there's just this entitlement thing was like no and that's what i'm talking about if he comes back he still john to bars the guy that's the power play guy would be rolling his eyes if he's not going out there in the first unit so those are difficult things yet gone back into a locker room after years away and it's a different vibe, man. I don't know.

Yeah, I think there's a lot to that for sure. But yeah, I mean, listen, you look at Dallas and I think you bring up a really good point about them not just accepting a game one loss last night because that would have been easy to do. You know Edmonton was flying. They were playing so well. Dry Settle was great and McDavid was great. Yeah, first 10 minutes I'm like they're going to win 9-0 tonight. It felt that way.

It really did. It felt that way. It felt like Edmonton was going to come out of the gate flying and make a statement and through 40 minutes they did and then all of a sudden dallas because of the doing of the orders in a lot of ways and a couple of calls were they were high stakes but i think dallas sold them but still they got called you know you put yourself in that position

and uh... you know what if you want to but you want to look at the you know about the the positive side of the others there with the they took a lot of accountability for that in that room you know you heard them date you know they the positive side for the others. They took a lot of accountability for that in that room. You heard them, they were blaming themselves. And I think you could have heard people grossing about the refereeing, and I'm sure there was some of that. But you know, I think, look, this team's not dead, man. I'm not counting this team out,

because to your point, they, I'm not sure Dallas can handle their speed. Dallas can handle the ferocity of McDavidDavid and dry saddle in the end here it's gonna be it's gonna be a difficult difficult slog for Dallas here. Yep, yep you can't start any better than that right you're up one nothing you got home ice and game two tomorrow night game two Florida Carolina tonight we'll get to that in our best bets in about an hour we'll start the 6 p.m. hour with my highlights of theahan era. Okay we'll get to those then Pierre Lebrun coming up, Kevin Harlan coming up as well. Overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on YouTube Live.

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