OverDrive - OverDrive - May 29, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jamie McLennan and Jonas Siegel for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Host James Duthie joins to discuss the Oilers seeking a spot in the Stanley Cup Final, the Panthers' overall incredible season and the list of the best Stanley Cup teams. They also discuss Shai Gilgeous-Alexander's elite stature, his stardom across Canada and the favourites for the Northern Star Award.

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Some restrictions and exclusions may apply. See participating stores for details. Power 2 Overdrive continues powered by FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Brian Hayes, Jamie Noodles, McClennan, Jonah Seagal, look who we have here. James Duthie himself in studio. What's happening JD? Not much. Looking forward to the game. Looking forward to sitting next to Brian Hayes tomorrow as he perhaps wins his first Canadian Emmy

Award is what we like to call it. Yeah that's right the screen awards are tomorrow. Duffy's my competition. I know but like are you would you like turn his shake his hand or would you do like the big big time like you know you know it's not on TV I always wanted to do though like when they used to put this award like at the Oscars right right yeah exactly yeah now now they run the sports awards at like noon yeah and the funny thing is a couple years ago they had it this big hall where they have the main awards but there's only about 80 of us at the

sports award so we're all in the first three rows but they used to have they used to put the sports award in the big show that was on CBC or CTV or whatever every year. And I think it was only because, you know, Ron McLean's a big deal or Brian Williams, they were usually winning and they were probably as big as celebrities as you get in Canada. So you put those on there. But they put you in the boxes, you know? Oh really? And the nominees for best host star, little Jimmy Duffy for Sports Center, you know? Oh really? And the nominees for best host star, little Jimmy Duffy for Sports Center, you know? Ron McLean for Hockey Night in Canada.

And I always wanted to just, when I lost, because I would always, those early years especially, I'd always lose to like Ron McLean. And I always wanted to just like give the finger, just get up and leave, you know? That moment when they announce it's not you instead of doing the polite applause. Did you have a losing face? man, you have a losing face

I didn't have a losing face. No, I Yeah, I would just no I had the fake I did I was very much You have to be cordial right you have to pretend like you're really happy somebody did I think was Regis Phil but actually I mean like Emmys did that actually like got all mad when he lost Yeah, I knew the Kanye and that mad when he lost. Did the Kanye, did the Kanye and went out to- That's storming up, right? Doing the Kanye, no one wants to do the Kanye anymore. Cause it does, I'll warn you, like as much as it's, look,

the Canadian Screen Awards nobody cares about, but it's still kind of like, especially early in your career, it still sucks to lose a little bit, right? I was shocked I got nominated. Someone from the company sent me a text and said, hey, congratulations. I thought they were punking me. Like I wrote back, LOL, that's funny.

I did not think it was true. And then I looked into it, I'm like, wow, this is actually serious. Do you have to give a speech if you win? Yeah, it's like, I think- Like you actually go up there. Yeah, 30 seconds. You're kidding me.

Are you gonna write something? I have nothing planned. You should. don't write some i i will not be writing it either is no chance i'm gonna win this thing every dot the there's there's a lot of trail and he's up there the elitist always wages and i benefited from that because i want when you when you do the olympics usually win yes so how does overdrive ring out in the voting capacity?

But literally, what if they showed a clip and it's like, oh, talking about the walls squat and that's what's going to happen. And the nominee is going to be three of us talking about yelling and screaming. So quickly, kookook stories. The first time Drake's got nominated, they put him in the in the balcony. So you pretty much, if you're in the, like most of the nominees are in the first three rows or whatever. And so I think Draggs said to the usher or whatever, if I win, how do I get down there? And the usher was like, you don't have to worry about that. And so there was a year, Landsberg and I were nominated and it was Ron

McClain and I think Scott Oak and somebody else. And so we get into the theater, it was at the CBC building, and those guys I looked down and they're in the front row. And Landsberg and I are in, they made these bleachers at the back. Yeah. And there was like a standing room only crowd in the middle. So I looked at Landsberg and I said, we got no shot. So I just started doing cocktails at the party. Yeah, of course. And then they announced the winner and I won. You're kidding me. And my first thought was, how am I going to sober up to make a speech? And the second

thought was, I don't think I, how am I going to get to the stage? So it took me three minutes to get, I have to walk through down these bleachers and then there's a standing room only crowd. Right. And I'm pushing people and they don't care who I only crowd right pushing people like you know this guy and i think i'm like i got to get through here i got to get to the stage uh... so it's uh... or planning well i'm gonna know uh... yeah that's i'm concerned about where i'm sitting i still don't know exactly where i'm sitting

you should you should have a little tight little forty five seconds speech about some kind of better be teary tearjerker does it have to be i want to, tearjerker. Does it have to be? I want it to be tearjerker. I'll do my best. I mean, I am not anticipating winning. Yeah, but you don't wanna be that person who gets up there and is like,

I didn't plan anything. Okay, I'll plan something. Nobody believes that anyway. I know, that's the truth. That happened to me. I think I told you guys, when I won the Master 10, I didn't plan a speech. I was so drunk the night before at the Madison.

The Matty. Yeah, the Matty will do it to you. I don't remember waking up and then Pronger was calling me and going, we gotta head over. I thought it was at 7 o'clock at night and the awards were like at 4 or something and I was like out to lunch at 2.30 still. And he goes, did you write a speech? I'm like, no, do I need to? Were you hungover? Oh, I was... Yeah. So proud to accept the Madison Award. Love the Matty and Mastodon. overs. Oh, I was so proud to accept the Madison Award.

Love the Matty and Mastodon. Poisoned the night before. Poisoned. You wouldn't be alone in that place, man. I got some stories for you. Yeah. But yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. No, it'll be fun, though. It's going to be good to get down there and check it out. I've never been there before. It'll be fun. Bringing the whole crew. You'll be underwhelmed. That's what I'm anticipating. I'll give you a win and you're so excited. I'm here for you. I've told you this. I'm

on team Hayes. Yes, I appreciate that. And ultimately, whoever wins, I'll just say I finish second. Oh yeah. It doesn't matter. Actually, I was told, someone told me I was second. Yeah, runner up. I'll just tell everyone. You came two points short. Some writer in Winnipeg didn't have you on his ballot. Right, exactly. Someone excluded me from the ballot. Do you think the Eulers get it done tonight? Where's your head at? I don't know about tonight. I think Dallas probably has deserved better somewhere along the way in the series. And I mean, I'm terrible at predicting these things. Maybe they'll feel defeated at three and one.

I've heard they're what they're, their own 16 went down three and one and Edmonton 17 and one, which all that means nothing except it does because it just shows you the historical odds that you're facing. But I think Dallas probably has kind of like a Carolina game for type effort where we're not gonna we're too good a team to go out this way now whether McDavid and Dreisaitl and Nuge decide forget it we want to get it over with I'm not sure. I could see Dallas getting some puck luck too you know they've they've generated yeah we talked about a last show like they had 22 high danger chances. So they've had some looks and if Skinner has an off night.

And isn't he, I hate to say this, but isn't he kind of due for one? Yeah, I would think so. You know, and that's not a shot at him. He's been unbelievable, but he does have a tendency to have one of those every few. Like O said yesterday, like they've, even if he has an off night, they give up five, like maybe those, those two and the supporting cast which is Kane and guys like that maybe they get six like it's just they get a lot of is it gonna come down to Ottinger and and skin well look

at last night right where Carolina's up to nothing and you're thinking they're not gonna go down look like Carolina like that I was like oh Carolina's playing really well yeah I thought they played really well all of a sudden bad penalty wheels 2-2 and then all of a sudden, bad penalty. Wheels fall. 2-2. And then all of a sudden, you're chasing it. And even they end up tying the game.

And Verhege and Barkov make that incredible play. See, Barkov is so good. He was so good last night. He's always just so good. And I think he, in a way, even though he's the captain of that team, like it's Kachuk that comes up first.

We talk about Bennett all the time. Bob's going to come up a lot. The head coach. Like, Maurice is in the middle of everything. What did you make of the handshake? I just feel like he is... Quote machine. He's going too far.

I've said that for a while now. I think it's now you're policing what other... He's telling Rod, I don't think we should... Well well who are you to determine what everyone does just decided this in the last Like apparently he did it Series in the first round and the cup final last year He couldn't wait to get in there and shake hands with Mcdavis. So why all of a sudden? Well, first of all, I thought it was eloquent what he said I think he's actually right and I think he he's well-intentioned by it.

But I agree with you that you have no... It's not up to you to tell Rod Brindamore what to do. If he wants to go and shake Barkov's and whatever hand, I just... You're right. I think most great... And he was a player, Brindamore, too. He was actually a guy that... He won... He hoisted the cup.

Yes, for that team. In his speech, though, in Maurice's media availability, he said he talked to chief about it. I'm thinking in my mind, did they shake hands with the Leafs? Because he said Greg Berube was fine with it last series. So you'd almost have to go back in the tape and go, did the coaches go and shake Matthews and Marner's hand and all of that?

I don't remember. It was such a weird ending, like game seven. It was six-one and no one was there and it was awkward and strange. I don't remember. It's almost like both teams just exited the building. Yeah, it felt that way. But he did bring Barube up.

He said he played, Brandemore played. I understood what he was saying. You don't need, you know, the third PR guy in a track suit because they're gonna be on the ice for the pictures and that, shaking hands with the other team that they're pissed that they lost. I get that. But again, it's not really up to Paul. I mean, it's up to them. I would have told them, all of those floaters stay off the ice until we shake hands And then we'll bring you up Just a weird thing to say after a series like that if that's the thing you're gonna say to you I'm sure he said nice things to the opposing coach like Maurice has always been a class guy So I don't I want people to blow this out of proportion. No, but I think you're right

This is a little bit of a misstep and you also miss moments Like when Pete to bor was miked up in the last series against Winnipeg, did you see that clip of Pete to bore going through the line was shut like that was a that was a cool moment So if the coach wants to talk to those players, I think In the in the end, what did he do though if Brandon Moore go through the line like no I don't believe he did he didn't I don't believe he did but it also there's like there's a part of me The cynic in me is like he's up 3-1 in the series he's thinking about the handshake line he's like we're gonna beat these guys tonight I gotta figure out a way to like and if I'm Brendan

Moore I'm like have you been planning this little speech like you were actually your head wasn't in the game he's like Brian Hayes preparing to host overdrive exactly where am I going with Rod how do I break the new I'm like dude the game's still we pulled our goalie here and that's how confident he is in his team. But yeah, I kind of hope that the Oilers just win tonight so it starts on Wednesday next week. I think we all in unison probably as a nation want this thing over with. We love hockey but June 21st or whatever the game seven's gonna be is ludicrous. Yeah.

And you know, LeBron has been on this forever and I have his back on all of it and it's just never gonna change because of American TV. But it's, I see my buddies who are diehard hockey fans just tuning out. Yeah, you get to this part of the year, especially up here because the weather and people getting outside you get distracted you get into different things. Blue Jays are playing there's

different stuff going on. The Canadian Football League is they're up and running here like it's it's almost go time for them so there's just different things going on and then once your team is out you know it's difficult to follow everything it's still a regional sport. The ways. The Oilers, you know, a Canadian team will keep everybody here. Very much so. But whether they're in it or not, I mean, imagine if this was, let's say Dallas comes back and it's Dallas, Florida, and we're sitting here on June 21st for a game seven or June, I think the latest possible is the 24th, is it not?

No, it's the 21st, I thought. 21st now? It's a Saturday. When the playoffs started, I think the latest possible date was the 24th. That's insanity. Yeah sanity exactly And it's and think about those markets like it's 45 degrees in both places and it's just it Yeah, but to your point it's not gonna change because this is the way it's going and it's it's never gonna go backwards And yesterday we were discussing like it does feel like we've kind of buried the stars before they've actually lost. Like we've just moved past them. Yet I'm willing to do that again here with this conversation because we were talking about

the Oilers and if the idea of redemption would mean something to them, like if it's more inspiring the idea that they get Florida again. But what about the other side of that? Because I'm sure you guys saw and heard Matthew Kachuk last night, maybe he was speaking of it today, where he's like, you know, we're all business, not our first rodeo. Is there an advantage on the Florida side of things that they already have the ring

and that they're so freed up from that, that like that- Like relax and play? Yeah, in a weird way. It's like Edmonton is so, they're dogged right now. And I think they're prepared. And I think it's. Yeah in a weird way. It's like like Edmonton is Is so they're dogged right now And I think they're prepared and I think it's gonna be a great series and I would not be surprised at all if they beat them But in the back of their minds at some point they got to think this happens again, man I don't know how we get up off the mat that's all I kept thinking about watching the win the other night was I kept thinking about the scene in the dressing room and

McDavid breaking down and Just I mean happens every year when you lose in the Stanley Cup final But for those guys and to go seven and lose by a goal And I kept thinking if this happens again to the same team How do you recover from that because it's really the possibility don though too like it's a really good possibility it could happen florida be favored probably yeah i think they're a slight favor over a hypothetical right now it's very slight and ebbinton has home ice that's the only difference but hey the flip the flip side of the way you're looking at it and and it depends on the teams involved is that

florida has the ring and you know the whatever the five percent maybe more desire by the other team wins you a few more battles right and even though it's subconscious it's not but Florida still wants to win the cup they're that close but maybe there's that one or two percent that the other team's hungrier so does that translate to an edge or is it is it the way you say it where the other teams a little bit looser you never never know till you see it. Yeah, every one comment What did Austin Matthews say? He's like Florida, you know They didn't he say he's like right in his press conference right at the end of the year where he's like they wanted it more

Yeah, he did say that said that about the Florida Panthers just to the point the team that won last year I mean that should have been tired going to two finals in a row once you've found it you're like i gotta have more so i i could i could see on the other side of that coin florida going hey we're gonna double down here and we're gonna do whatever we can to win it again well it's it leads me to what we were gonna workshop throughout the afternoon and i think we should do it now with you in here JD. So here in no particular order this is how I would rank or these are the teams I would include in terms of you know since the salary cap was implemented. Cup-winning teams over a certain amount of time. These are my five best. I don't think there's going to be much argument with this. You feel free to.

No particular order. Pittsburgh Penguins. I would say more the second window. I think somehow they were even better than the first window where they went to two but only one one. But when they won the back to back in 16, 17, I think it was. Pittsburgh, Chicago, three Cubs in five years,

I think, or three and six. Yeah, three and six, yeah. The LA Kings. Yeah. Tampa Bay Lightning Lightning, Florida Panthers. Those for me are the five. For this generation? Yes, of the last 20 years since the salary cap was implemented. Those are the five. There's no argument there.

Do you think Florida, if they win, how high on that list can Florida get in the next two or three weeks? Wait, the nine straight playoff appearances by the Leafs might edge into the top five. Number six. I just had to cut it off somewhere. I would have just continued forever and ever. So how high on that list? I guess let me throw these.

We'll just go roundtable it here. Who do you think, which is a better team in your opinion? And I understand it's difficult because recency bias, we're living it right now. Florida or Tampa? Tampa. You like the Tampa team. They went to three straight finals. Yes they did. Yeah. And they went to the final on 15. Florida's in their third straight cup final. No. They'll be able to win two. Yes, just like Tampa. But they have not yet won. Okay, so you're on Tampa.

Yeah, and they went in 15. All right. Sorry, they didn't win in 15. You just said Florida or Tampa? We're not ranking them right? No, I'm going to use Florida as the barometer and then we'll get into these other two. Florida or Tampa. Florida or Tampa. I do say Tampa right now, but again, talk to me in two and a half minutes. Yeah, I don't know how you can say. I think if Florida wins the Cup, then they're probably just disable. Alright, let's presume they do then. Then it's one and one A.

Okay. Why would you say Florida is better? Here's my only thing on Tampa is that the COVID years to me throw stuff off. But that's not fair. It's not their fault. I know, but it's like, we're playing in a bubble and then the next year it wasn't the re it wasn't a full schedule. Blake Coleman told me he's carrying around the cop in the rink in Edmonton. And he says, all he's looking at is tarps.

Yeah, there's nothing in there. And then he said the coolest thing was they went into the room after. And there's nobody there. Their families aren't there. No one's there. He said, which was great, because you never get that as a team.

But he said after like an hour, they were kind of bored. And so they started doing like slippy slides through the shower, all a bunch of naked guys with the cup and so that's a that's apropos nothing but then they had to go outside for a covid swab that's what you yeah that's what happens when you win during covid yeah i don't think i know what you're saying hayes but i don't think that's not fair in a way to tampa yeah i think is it this is presumptuous it's a reality though It's not it's I guess listen We're talking about are you saying they're tainted cups

Well, I just I do think there's an asterisk like I think the Lakers Championship in 2020 as an asterisk. I think it should so those ones have an asterisk They're different didn't New Jersey win the cup coming out of the lockout in 94 95 yes, they did yeah short and see how's 48 game But there was it was yet to win 16 in the spring yet. It was best four out of seven all that kind of stuff one of Chicago's cups was in a block of Tampa one in five over Montreal and Who do they beat in the other one? Dallas yeah, let's Dallas. Yeah, five or six. Yes, Colorado. They'll I'll give you this

Florida's winning in seven It was Dallas, yeah. In five or six? Yes. Colorado, they lost. I'll give you this. Florida's winning in seven. It's close. I still think Chicago trumps them all. See, I would have Chicago at the top for me, too. Chicago's number one. Chicago's number one. I almost say LA might be second.

The way LA did it was one of the most impressive, too. Didn't they go 16 and two? Yeah, that was the year when they squeaked in. Darrell took over halfway through. They beat Vancouver in five, and then I think it was like sweep, sweep, and then they won the cup against the Rangers, I think in six maybe. I'll give you Florida over the edge over Tampa because of what you say if they win this cup, just because, okay, there's the tiebreaker.

Plus, Montreal in the final in that one year for Tampa wasn't the second best team in the league, and you're beating McDavid and Dry-Cytle twice in a row, so I'll give you that if they You know Montreal in the final in that one year for Tampa wasn't the second best team in the league And you're beating a McDavid and dry sidle twice in a row So i'll give that if they win exactly like they beat Montreal who's in their division In the cup final, which was I think you're disrespecting Pittsburgh Okay, you'll go ahead and make your case. Yeah. No, I well the the getting there Getting there twice like in two and they were there and they were there four times because they lost their first Time like now now that is more extended because it's it's almost feels like two different eras

Yeah, like it was a part that throws me, but it's the same core. Yeah How many years between it's like oh nine and then sixteen seven five seven seven years man the same core four capitals and more or you have a core three anyway while flurry flurry letang cross be in malcolm you have to go chicago pittsburgh and then you can make a debate where l a falls there and and the other two yeah that's probably reasonable that's why i was workshopping it but i needed help with those but yeah, I would go Chicago definitively one.

I think Pitt too. Even out of respect to Sid being a part of that. It's almost like that's the Trump card. That's the separator that Sidney crossed. Look how good McDavid is and he's still trying to get one. Yeah, he's not even in the top five. And even if he wins, they won't pass any of those teams. Yeah, it is crazy, but that's the parody of the league. Does Edmondson get sixth besides

my Toronto joke because of going to two straight finals even if they lose this maybe maybe Boston though I think Boston should be in consideration. When was the last time we had two teams playing the finals back-to-back years? It was Detroit Pittsburgh 08-09. Hossa Bowl. Yeah and then prior to that it was uh... that the right answer to wait on our way to i know so ball yeah and prior to that it was the owners in the u boilers back in the early eighty five somebody said this to me the orders might have been even bigger dynasty the steve smith goal

that was calgary's yeah like that was there's people at like i have friends who are still scarred by that. I love that. They remember where they were. That's so sickening that Steve Smith jammed us. It's like, dude, you've won so many cups. I know, but do you remember that?

Shut up. Six cups instead of a... My buddies literally go, I remember where I was when that puck went in, when that hit Fierzy's leg and went in. I'm like, yeah, I think I was in my basement watching it, but I don't care. These people are traumatized by that goal alone like your Matt Fratton moment for you Hayes. Yeah they don't know trauma.

The break way? The Matt Fratton break way? They don't know trauma. They don't understand trauma. They don't know pain. Alright so the NHLPA in Gulf Canada have been up at TPC Toronto Osprey Valley today. Is this, is there a scoreboard and everything or is this what you're about to reveal for us? I don't know what is happening here. Doogie

is just, what is, what are we about to witness here, Doogie? Although Duthie doesn't have any headphones in here so I'm not sure exactly how to do this. But you guys can just. I can, I think we can hammer our mics off and you guys are going to play it. So I think this is Kolei Akhavo I'm assuming. He's. Gonna be very loud. O is gonna be in the cart. You know, he's gonna be playing it very cool. Something's going on based on how they played at Osprey Valley today. Let's hear this and let's see it.

PGA Tour, RBC Canadian Open. Let this guy play in the tournament next week. Maybe a sponsor's exemption. I just witnessed the round of my life and his life. Say hello to Mr. 64. It wasn't enough though Coco. These grounds, they're hollow grounds and I've been screwed twice on this course. The first time by James Duffy and I've been screwed twice on this course. The first time by James Duffy and today by you. Sorry. So it was a good day but twice. Two of my colleagues have screwed me on this golf course. First Jimmy and now you. Thanks for that. Thanks for ruining my 64.

This guy's unreal. All right, so what's the backstory? How are you involved in that? The Dubis thing. Yeah, we had that match years ago, me and O against Kyle Dubis and Jerry D. We were up by five strokes on the 11th hole. I was playing great and I basically hit a hybrid sideways into the woods and we made like a nine or something and lost by a stroke and He's never let me forget it and we're actually having another match, which I think you might be a part of

Against each other now at the end of June, but I There's no chance he's the best golfer I know yes There's no doubt about that golfer. that. There is no shot that he shot 64 from like the Canadian Open Tees on that golf course. No. There is no chance. This is going to be like that conversation that time he came in with you guys and said he shot 66 at Weston and there was some controversy about him losing a ball and deciding to call it a par or something. No, exactly. The grease keeper ran over his ball so I'll just take a par or something. The green's keeper ran over his ball, so I'll just take a par here.

There's gonna be a documentary behind the scenes that's gonna bring into question that 64. Well, and it's very liberal in tournaments like this. Go ahead and take that. Oh, Coco's the king of the 25-foot gimme, too. Yeah, like, ah, that looks good to me, and you go ahead and take that. Coco was fishing, probably.

Yeah, he probably was. He probably i have you paying attention although it sounds like they're planning a team of and call the actual must have been just horrendous because of the guy should sixty four doesn't get the job done that's a trial maybe was a two-man scramble sixty four that we're talking they could have been that they only use a few of cocoa shot that is exactly what possibly happened anyway well i'm sure we'll hear all the details in all its glory.

64 for the O-Dog up at TPC. Because I mean, he hits the ball very straight, but that rough from even from media day a couple of weeks ago, you know, the rough is pretty sizable there. So I have some doubts. Yeah, I just... I think it's worthy of being skeptical anyway. Now the sponsor's exemption though would be If they were smart that would be you know that it would kind of be the equivalent of letting Steph Curry into some events

Like they've done before yeah, you're right. That would be a good one fairy tour But having oh in there would oh have maybe the third biggest gallery Maybe okay take the Canadians out of it Rory Maybe Connors or or Pendreth, Oberg, and then O. Yeah, I think that's probably true. Top five biggest galleries. He doesn't like the pressure.

Let's workshop that. He doesn't want that. He would choke everywhere. That's why he doesn't play the Pro-Am. He did it once for nine holes, he was slashing the ball everywhere. Well, I mean, that's the unwritten story of that match with Dubas and Jerry D There were a few O chunks in there that is not talked about because everybody talks about my miss right I can when you make the documentary the truth will come out. Okay. It's on YouTube I look forward to it was find it on YouTube wasn't in his DNA. Maybe it wasn't in his DNA

Maybe they need a DNA change when it comes to the O dog and team golf Alright JD, good luck with the panel tonight buddy. Yeah and you good luck tomorrow buddy. I'll see you down there. I'll be down there. I'll do a fake clap for you when you win. And I'll do the same. I will make sure to do the same. I don't think either of us are gonna win. No, we're probably fine. Neither of us are gonna win anything. But there he is, James Duffy of the Canadian Screen Awards. There's a tag on the way out. All right, we get Cheryl coming up later this afternoon. Pierre will join us. We got a ball game. We got the NBA playing. We got the NHL playing tonight. Jonah sticking around. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN 2. All right, Noodle's off doing

a little panel work. He'll join us again in the 6pm hour pure the run coming up shell counter we get game five the western final the next week the next in a survive and i'm how do you feel about that john that series has been fun you are it's been really like close games yet i wish it was to to but i have i don't my own one first game yes what a three that like the I don't even know if they threw it away. Indiana just started hitting every single shot and then it got

to overtime. You had another chance to close and the Pacers just found a way to do it. I mean full credit to them. They've done that multiple times this playoff run, but you're right. It should be 2-2 based on that because now I just feel... like you look at Minnesota last night. didn't it was just like it was embarrassing that was a little game 70 yes but I think the nature of young teams especially in the NBA is like you're going into their building game five you know the Thunder coming to play and they just never put up a fight it It was, it was a, they, like Oklahoma City had a 20 point lead like five minutes into the game. Yeah.

Like it was never close. Yeah, it was never close. Do you think we talk about Shea enough? So he won the MVP and he's probably going to win the NBA title. He's from here. Yeah, possibly, probably not. But I don't like, what do you add to it? I don't know. Where do you take it? This is like, because I contemplate this all the time.

You know, what is the conversation? Are you having people on from Oklahoma City to talk about them that are up close and personal with them? Like we'd love to have them on the show. We've tried to have them on a million times. Easier said than done. You know, he's bigger than life now. And it's so I don't know it's almost like in a way a movie star that's a Canadian do they get more play up here than anybody else I don't know like maybe you focus on it to an extent but once they've left and once they're gone like if he was a Raptor it would be the biggest story going in the city yeah I do think the team he plays

for factors in a little bit up here Is in the West Oklahoma City like if he was a Laker? Do you yeah? I feel like if he was the man in LA it would it would just it would feel a little bit different I don't and I don't even really have an answer as to why that is other than the nature of the NBA is it's brand-driven And even I do I would say this I Thought the buildup towards Andrew Wiggins arrival to the NBA was was adequately talked about promoted and people were going crazy like where's he going to school okay what's he doing at school

where's where's where's he gonna go in the draft and he just never pulled his weight like he never got there as that first overall pick. Even Anthony Bennett, who actually beat him to that, that was a disaster. But with Shea, I guess what I'm driving at is, this wasn't expected. No. Like no one, we haven't been talking about this

for a decade. He was like the side part of that trade with Kawhi and Paul George. It was more about the picks. It was the picks and they got the say Gilchrist was a good player. Yeah, Golanari was in there and yeah. Yeah, you're right. It was kind of to make some money move and some bodies had to move around.

When do you guys do your version of the Lou Marsh? Well, we do the Lou Brown Awards now. So when is that? We're actually gonna do that I think in the next month. He has to get the Lou Brown. Well, here's the thing, because I would think so too. MVP, I think Oklahoma City is going to win the NBA championship and if they do he's going to be

finals MVP. That would be my guess. That is a trifecta. I just don't know how you top that. That's like, I think Curry was the last guy probably to do that. Yeah, it'd probably be him or LeBron I would guess. I mean look that up, D up do you the last guy to get a three-peat in that capacity but that seems unbeatable yeah yet with the nature of the well with the nature of the Canadian you know the how people vote although I'm not in a room she wanted a couple years ago already so once you've already won it I feel like tired of you it's not necessarily but it's like all right he's already won it and there is if he doesn't win it That's a trial here. He would be the only

The only case I can make is is for McDavid because it's not an Olympic year didn't win the MVP Okay, but he's been he's amazing game-winner four nations, right four nations But still playing for your country like the reason she I think got it a couple years We had a great season, but he was the leader that got that men's national team back to the Olympic games. Right? So it was like, just like a little more important than a four nations made up. But yeah, is it in this country?

I mean, is it? I don't think it is a really big deal. The four nations know the basketball was it. But you started this conversation out. Do we talk about change? Did we? I did. I just don don't know was it was a good point what do you guys know it was that I can tell you based on my experience then you know getting through FIBA in August halfway around the world I think it was in Thailand was big news it was nowhere close to what the four nations was in terms of buzz in terms of in terms of how many terms of in terms of

how many people in the country were activated because of it how many people were talking about it how many people watching it's not even close okay so Four Nations okay and so you know but let's say he wins a cup okay I'm just I'm just saying that's what cons might as for nation's cons might than a cup doesn't beat you don't think that be doesn't be finals MVP and NBA championship no sorry I am right here it shouldn't that's insane what was it that's never happened well he's the better happen for a Canadian right he's like the greatest Canadian basketball player we've but is that but that's what I'm saying if that and that's why I

would think he would win it because I get the impression it's always okay it can't just be hockey all the time which I get it can't be but then you go out of your way to be like well we've got to do this because Like if McDavid wins a cup something that has not happened for any player in this country in 30 years. No one's wanted here Didn't have his like usual unbelievable not based on his standards still had a great year yeah he's amazing game winner four nations cons my wins the Stanley Cup I still but Jonas it I know it was gonna be much it turned into a massively significant event I know it still was a four-team tournament like let's yeah but

you lived it was it not a big big? I mean I there were millions and millions of people in the country that were activated. More people will be watching the finals in the world. Yeah but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking... I actually don't know if the Four Nations final will not do... I would guess the... I guess it would be a bigger number probably for the Cup final certainly a game seven but I'm not sure it's substantial and it's not based on ratings why someone's gonna win or someone's not gonna win where do you think for him that ranks in like career achievements I'm not sure where that would be top ten possibly? Possibly he hasn't won a cup and he

hasn't been able to play international hockey. That was the first time he could he could play best on best. Yeah, fair. Where do you think it would be? I don't know. He's like he's won Art Rosses, he won Hart, he's won... did he win a rocket? Yeah, he had six... Yeah, he scored six. I don't know if he won it that year or not I don't know Yeah, I don't know. All right, you're just saying you're just saying okay, what are you again? Hey, what if what if what if they lose in game seven or what if they win, but he doesn't get finals MVP Like where do you draw the line on Shay because your argument and I'm not disputing it

I think it's a totally valid one it says it says it's as heavy of an argument as anyone can make mvp finals mvp champion like you just it's a little nothing on smith cop hardest there's nothing more you can do yes shay go to south center so he would a hundred percent be worthy of of of winning it like one hundred percent

but where does it stop or what what what do you? You know like take away That would say okay now the doors open for someone else They lose I guess well, and then he's not winning finals MVP so if he gets Regular season MVP they lose to the Pacers in the final is the door open for McDavid. I still would vote she why How if McDavid wins cons might and a cup I Don't know I just think there's something really impressive about his story Like we've never had a Canadian basketball player like this sure we have who Steve Nash won two MVPs. I

Think Shays on a okay. Yeah, all right. I two MVPs I think Shays on a okay yeah all right I don't think I think Shays on a different how is he on a different level than a two-time MVP 168 that's significant I think the Suns team I think 161 or 62 listen if he wins a championship as the man Canadian we've never seen that before yeah like Nash Nash never dragged his team to an NBA final, has he never won an NBA championship. If Shay as the man on a team winning an NBA championship, especially in a market like that,

where it's not like he was this great player and then said, all right, I'm jumping on the Lakers bandwagon, I'm gonna go play with LeBron, or I'm going to Miami and putting it to its his well he just kind of like wormed his way up and like kept getting better and better it's like how did this happen right and he's remarkable he's an incredible player he's arguably his composure is like he just like he is it but how much I guess what I'm getting to is I feel like as Canadians like a part of the vote would be well

Americans love Shea and he's the face of the NBA. So that's worse something. Why is that worse something to us? As I guess because why do I care as my our league? You know what I mean? Yeah, like if there if there was a soccer player who is the best soccer player in the world? I Think we would we should think of him or her the same way. Yeah well and Alfonso Davies has never been the best player in the world. But he's a great player and when they punched their ticket I believe Davies won the Northern Star. Like he won the award. Maybe he split it that year. I think he might have split it with somebody. I believe he did. But it's like remember with Raunch where it's like, oh,

he's in the Wimbledon final. Cool. Yeah. And then he just got like smoked and then like he had a decent career, but he never broke through totally like Bianca Andrescu who I believe won. Yeah, she did. But and that was just in the nature of okay, we have a Canadian that won a slam. Yeah. You know, Mike, we're in 03 when he won the Masters. It's like, all right, that's something we've never done before. So that it's just, it's almost like,

again, I'm not sitting here fighting for hockey and hockey's got to get all it, but you can't look past the greatness of what the hockey player is doing. I guess what I'm saying is the fact that a Canadian is doing something different in a different field. I guess what I'm arguing is there are so many amazing Canadian hockey players there are not so many amazing Canadian basketball players on that level. And you're not propping Shea up like unnecessarily this guy's literally the best player playing right now. Jokic just had the best season of his career statistically and lost. Yes. Now you can make an argument that

and exactly in seven which is incredible considering what this team's doing to these teams like the Thunder just dismantling everyone else unreal but if they want to win the finals he's winning him I think he will and if he does I think he'll win the northern stuff like the Canadian athlete of the year and I'm not going to sit here and argue against it I'm not sure how you could I'm just saying there would be you know without knowing other Canadian stories off the top of my head, you gave me time I could find more, but it's not an Olympic year, no World Cup

or anything like that, you know, McDavid, Conn's my Stanley Cup, great season, great player, never won it before, seems like a pretty compelling case too. Mm-hmm. Like like and what is truly unique Is that you're gonna have the two best players in these respective sports? Be Canadians like Mcdavids under indisputably that in the NHL, but Shay you can make an argument It's Yocage is it Yanis is it you know somebody else? But he's right there like he could he could grab it and he could grab it over the next three weeks. He has a great finals and they win and he wins finals MVP.

That's Shea basically saying, what else do you want me to do? Which is very exciting. There you go. We just had a good conversation about Shea. Great man. He's a blast to watch play. Do you think he's like a big enough star yet? Like in Canada. Like do you think Canada is aware? Like if you asked a hundred people on the street who is Shay Gilded Alexander would enough of

them know like maybe the finals will be the thing that puts it over the top thing is my my my experience with like I've had these conversations I used to have that chat about Joey Votto all the time oh great yeah all the time why isn't Votto a bigger name here bigger story here and I think the answer was he didn't want to be here well Well, and he played in Cincinnati. Well, and that's like this with Oklahoma City. And I never won. Yeah, now a different sport, more difficult to do.

He won MVPs and batting titles and all this kind of stuff. But, you know, I wonder without knowing Shea, you know, he seems like a pretty reserved guy. Seems like a good guy. I wonder if Like he's cool being a star down there and he's got all the money and all endorsements and he'd rather just come home and Just be able to be comfortable Right, and I wonder if that was the case with Joey Votto and I've wondered that with other other athletes where

You know also if they don't play in the country other athletes, where, you know, also if they don't play in the country, like the reality is Auston Matthews is a bigger celebrity clearly in this country than Shea Gilder's Alexander, and he's an American. But he plays here, he plays for the biggest team. And dry settle is for sure. So like we've, I've had that conversation about Alfonso Davies, and it's like, well he's playing in Europe. So how big can you be here when you're not ever here, you're never playing here. And it's the same thing, Shea rolls through town once a year. It's difficult to have the same impact I think from an endorsement level, from a marketability level, if you're not playing you know here consistently. Now

when it does show up is when you wear the flag. That's when you really pop. Well that did not go great. It went horribly for the whole team, the Canadian team, but again with Davies going through Konkukaf getting to the World Cup, like that was big for him. He was everywhere at that point. So you got to capitalize when your time comes up, but I don't think it's possible to be like as gigantic as maybe you'd think if they don't play up here now she every became a Raptor that would be a completely different story when I guess the reverse would be true if McDavid was playing in the state be very different like Sid is

huge up here but McDavid is feels different to me because he's playing up here he's on he's in a Canadian market yes Canadians have an attachment to it like there's probably not many commercials or haven't been like in the states of Crosby, right? Yeah that's a good question. The commercials he does here, we see them all the time. Sid's big up here. And Sid is a different level of legend than McDavid, Shea, Davies. Right, like he's won Golden Goals, Olympics, everything. different, but yeah. All right, Noodles will be back. We got Cheryl Pounder coming up in studio.

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know the way he works though he would have told Koliakovoh shoot this video I'll pretend I shot 64. You slander him a lot when he's not on the air. Oh happily yes I love doing that. I'm always willing to do that. He does that with me too I'm off tomorrow and he's not even gonna be on tomorrow But if he were somehow it'd be my fault that there's an event I have to go to The I'll slander him every single chance I get happy to do that if you do write a speech And let's say you don't win Sad yeah, unfortunately the speech on the air later. I

Think you should you think I should write a speech that was never told? Yes. Okay, it was never recited? Yeah. All right, maybe I'll do that. Yeah, I should do that. For finishing second. And I think if you win, you should get a t-shirt made that says, Hayes is not a fraud. Yes. And then open up your shirt and show your t-shirt. i'll be i am a canadian screen award winner i will do that for you jonas and i appreciate your support and everyone's support for that matter so i will keep people posted if i lose i finished and then i can still maybe recite speech yeah i'll come up with something tonight

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