OverDrive - OverDrive - May 6, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 2 on OverDrive! TSN Hockey Analyst Mike Johnson joins to discuss Sam Bennett's hit on Anthony Stolarz, if it was suspendible and Joseph Woll becoming the focal point of the series. They also discuss the Oilers' matchup against the Golden Knights, Connor Hellebuyck's approach to the second round against the Stars and the Islanders getting the first overall pick in the NHL Entry Draft.

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We got a couple of other Stanley Cup playoff games tonight. Confirmed denial will continue later in the hour. But we wrapped up the previous hour talking about the O-Dogs dressing room and your claim yesterday that it was in immaculate condition. Get ready to hit pause Joe from the bridge. Like you stop it and tell me what you see. Right here pause.

Look at this first impression okay. If you're listening this is why you gotta PVR the show or find us on YouTube because the first impression there's three belts, four ties sitting on the ground. Like at first, right when you walk in there's there's three belts four ties sitting on the ground Like a first right when you walk in there's stuff Casualties man when you have that many ties that go around the the thing like that They just sometimes they slip and they go down. Okay, that's three ties I'll guys are acting like this thing is a pigsty. This is wrong Credits man hit three ties though it's dark that's just what

catches your eye with right okay all along let's see what else is catching people's interest there's a hanger okay there's a leaf jersey over there for some reason look at this immaculate over there look at that pile of stuff on a counter like there is look at this place there What is that? Like that's the first thing I noticed. I'm like there was a pile of garbage on the counter. I don't know what that is. Like that's a disaster. No it isn't dude. That's an absolute disaster. Dude that looks like a dorm room filled with like you know like there's 19 and 20 year old pigs living together. Dude anybody in this business understands that you need like knick-knacky stuff there's like makeup there's hair gel hair spray there don't

you have drawers now that's a jepetto desk like that is the lowest of low okay to ask super question is that's first question does this sink work second question have you ever used it before i brush my teeth before i come up the overdrive every show okay that's good all right there and you got some plumbing in there that's a good sign but that's not clear that here's all of them that is a very busy

i was a very here yeah gatorades like that's got trade center written all over the internet dot c commercial and I just grabbed that fridge and I just looked around and I'm like, nobody's taking this thing, it's going right in my dustbin. Just wheeled it in there. All right, okay, there you go. It's a five and a half, maybe a six out of 10. That's what I would give it. Okay, here's what I'll do.

Here's what I'll do. Tomorrow, I'll do a once over. It's amazing because Kerry Gendron has gone in there and just said, no way, man. I'll go in the next day and it looks like it's just spotless and everything's organized. I'm like, oh my God, this is like for a celebrity. But then a week later, I just seem to just mess it up. I'll try to do a Carrie gendron spin on do your best because Carrie is a magician. But I have spoken to care I've seen Carrie around there and she's like, I'm going into the odd, like it's

hazmat suits and it's a full preparation. She's got the she's got the COVID mask on. Yeah. Oh, and like the the the original, like the b twelve now yeah what the hell whatever the purpose for her those things also here is i did this any and i and ninety five ninety five that's what it is but i think she's not in the ninety five and i i will get that thing spotless and it's all good and jay would join us here in a moment uh... so the leaves you know by four win last night matthewives with the winner, which I guess the answer is the Nives goal is the most important one of the night.

But there's a part of me that thinks Willie getting on the board 30 seconds into the game may have been the most significant part of it all. It set a tone. It was a tone setter, man, where it was like, yes, the goal wasn't a great goal from Bobrowski, but it just kind of gave them it's like everybody could take a deep breath and say Maybe this is not going to be one of those nights where we're grinding and fighting for every inch of ice on the four check because if you break down the game they created and Florida Panthers do not want to give up any ice in the neutral zone One of their main staples is they want to force you to dump the puck any ice in the neutral zone. One of their main staples is they want to force you

to dump the puck. That's a pre-scout, it's not news to anybody, and they found some stuff to do with skill plays in the neutral zone. But guess what's gonna happen tomorrow? It's like party time, that is over, because those guys are gonna say, we didn't play our game,

and you're gonna get our game tomorrow. They don't wanna go back to Florida down to nothing, man. No way. No, that's so would be a big big benefit for the Leafs. And if you're the Leafs, you got to go out. You can't just say, all right, we got game one and you guys are making adjustments. So whatever happens happens. The Leafs have got to make some adjustments for tomorrow night. Agreed. I think there has to be. But you know, a lot of it will stem on think there has to be. But a lot of it will stem on, and it fairly or unfairly, as Joseph Wall, if he starts, he's

got to settle in and play his game and just show the team, like, hey, I played 40 games for you guys this year. I know how to stop the puck. That's the biggest thing. The team has now gotten comfortable with Anthony Stolar down the stretch, the way he stops the puck, the way he plays the puck. There is going to be a slight adjustment, even the communication between defensemen

and the goaltender. Stolars, MJ can speak to it too, Stolars is very, very vocal. So, Wall doesn't seem to be as vocal in the net. That's a slight adjustment that you're going to go to on the fly here yeah that's a good point well had a turnover behind the net last night in the third two that was like a lack of communication because you hesitate you hesitate where you know Stolarz goes hey I've got a really strong forehand I'm gonna wire this around the glass and we'll take the fight up near the blue line here's Mike Johnson our TSN hockey analyst joining

us from the Maple Toyota hotline. Johnny, everyone else has given their opinion on the Sam Bennett Anthony Stolar's play. Where do you stand on it? I think O and I sort of fleshed it out last night and I think O made the point that carried the day. And my first thought was, I wasn't going to say he's going to get suspended because I wasn't sure about that. But I wasn't gonna say say he's going to get suspended because I wasn't sure about

that. But I wasn't going to say he's not going to get suspended either because you need to sort of like to piece together, you know, in the crease, on purpose, injury. It really comes down to was it hard enough and can you prove that that blow was the one that caused him to get ill and leave the game? And I think the uncertainty about, you know, maybe the earlier shot leave the game and I think the uncertainty about you know maybe the earlier shot in the head and more likely what I was talking about it just wasn't hard enough and it's kind of a tough way to say it when he when he

left and he obviously was feeling very unwell it just wasn't hard enough to warrant it so I'm not surprised I think Sam Bennett is a master of knowing how to do dirty things and not get caught or not cross the line or not be suspendable. He's done it half a dozen times in his career. Different instances, sort of like this. And he's very good at it. Part of what makes him so good as a player, is he's a tough guy to play against. Not surprised. Was it on purpose? Yes. Did he mean to bump his head? Yes.

Was he trying to rattle him? Yes. I think he was trying to injure him. Probably not. He was probably just trying to get in his kitchen. You know, bug him a little bit, bump him, whatever. And it obviously did more than that. But I'm not stunned that that was not a

suspension I don't it probably wouldn't be I think O made the good point it just wasn't hard enough. You know Johnny in watching that I don't know how you guys were in studio Hayes had a different view because he's in the building so we're all experiencing it differently for me you know that how everything went down was the most perplexing part of it for me because you know we can look at the actual forearm elbow whatever whatever Contacted his head and we can make a decision on that But he gets up in place and then he goes through a TV timeout and then he goes the other second one and then there's

Vomiting and and and then you're hearing you know you I don't know who's tweeting it out I think it's Chris Johnston is Your hearing is leaving on a stretcher. Everything's delayed. If all that happened all at once, then I think we're sitting here with a different thought process on Sam Bennett, on maybe a potential outcome. But because it was so spaced out, I'm still perplexed about it.

How did you guys react to hearing that he was stretchered out and then them picking up the viz of him puking on the bench two TV timeouts later type of thing? What was your reaction to all that? Well we were stunned because the conversation we were having was will the concussion, we just assumed he got pulled which can take three or four minutes. It might take a couple whistles, message gets down pulled, which can take three or four minutes, right? It might take a couple whistles, the message gets down there, there's a stop in the play,

he gets pulled. And you're wondering, will the protocol take him to the end of the second period, or will he come back with two minutes left or something? That was sort of the conversation, and then we were talking about, well maybe if he gets to the end of the second, and the score is still 4-1, you

just let Joseph Wall finish it up and let Solaris Rastadon worry about it. And so we didn't think anything other than that, like when will he return? He's obviously going to be okay because it just wasn't that much. Why would you think he wouldn't be okay? And then when you saw the images of the vomiting and everything else, you're like, okay, I think we've all experienced or been around people who've had concussions or different injuries that have forced them to be sick. And we sort of were always warned growing up about how dangerous it was if anyone ever was sick after being hit in the head.

It's a scary situation. You got to be really careful. So you hear that, you're like, okay, that's not out of the question, but the stretcher thing and the hospital thing, again, we've all been around players that have, they had their head bell rung badly and not had to go to the hospital. So it was obviously pretty serious, Nudel.

I think that was sort of the, man that it didn't happen in real time. But it obviously ended up being quite a serious ailment for stole our store crew. Hayes, I don't know what you thought seeing it like originally going down. But my first initial thought was this can have nice things can have it have it. Like they look good and it looks like they're gonna make a difference and they've got it and then that happened, I'm like, can't have nice things. Yeah, I see it the same way and that's what leads to the anxiety about Joseph Wall going in.

It's more layered with the fact that it's out of necessity because of injury as opposed to performance. Where, like, you look at at in Edmonton everyone was like just get I can't look at Skinner anymore. I love Pickard he's Grant Feuer to me now. Like this guy is one of the all-time greats because he's not Skinner. That's not what's happening here. Stolars played so well down the stretch. He played so well all year. He played really well against Ottawa. He wasn't tested a ton last night but for the most part he looked locked in and dialed in. So that is, you're right, a leafy type of thing. Finally you're up 1-0 in the series, everything's all good, and now

Wall comes in. But at the same time, another thought I had last night is this is an example of how warped this sport is, how crazy it is, and if you're not a fan of it and you look at this and crazy it is and if you're not a fan of it and you would you look at this and say this is the most that's such an insane statement what I'm about to say but Bennett doing what he did last night makes you want him even more on July 1st like the Leafs would have walked away hating him and thinking I got a sign that guy and every other team in the league would be thinking the same thing

drag said it on the panel last night goes trees can be calling for suspension today for him he's going to be calling a bunch of life for her to go i need you on my team i don't think that it's a we and we fancy want to hear it yet it's it's true johnny like that that's what makes them sam bennett is he knows exactly what he's doing he he he straddles the line

Oh and also he's good enough to be on team Canada at the Four Nations Yeah, the reason he's gonna make nine plus million dollars is not cuz he lights up the score sheet, right? I don't think he's ever had 60 points. I don't think he's ever had 30 goals. He's gonna get paid nine million dollars this summer Because he's good in the playoffs for summer because he's good in the playoffs for production and he's good in the playoffs in physicality, however you want to describe the way he plays. That element of making it hard, making it unpleasant, occasionally making it so that players don't finish the series that they start against Sam Bennett's teams. Yeah, we said it last night on TV,

it's a compliment when you say this guy is, he knows how to be sort of greasy, dirty, chippy. In the playoffs, this is kind of what you do. It is a battle of attrition. And you do try to hurt guys, and you don't want guys to get injured for their life. But if I can hit O cleanly or quasi cleanly and separate his shoulder so he misses two

more weeks and can't play in the series, that's what I'm trying to do. Even me, like if not a uber physical player, not a super dirty player, that is your mentality and he takes that and executes it really well. 100%. I mean, every team will watch this and be like, man, that's greasy. But we love it. We love him on our team. We hate him when he's not. And that is, you know, in many ways, the ultimate compliment to it to any NHL player. Johnny, I know you're not going to be on the panel tomorrow night. But if you were, and you're asked the question by Duthie, what do you foresee happening in game two tonight? Obviously being tomorrow, what would your thoughts be on? How do you play it out? What do you see going down in game two? Well, I think related to Bennett, zero. Like I just don't, like you know, is Max Domey

going to go whisper in his ear, like, oh, do you want to fight? Perhaps, but I don't think the Leafs go out of their way to engage him physically. I don't think the Leafs go out of their way to run Bobrovsky. I don't think the Leafs go out of their way to run Bobrovsky. I don't believe come out swinging trying to protect wool, you know, taking cross checking penalties if people get around him. I just don't think, oh that goes down that road. Not because they're soft, not because they won't, not because they can't. It's because they're coached with 5,000 penalty minutes. Like no, that's not how we're gonna win. You take this series into the gutter, Florida is way more comfortable down there than you are. Toronto's got to try to play exactly how they played in the

first and for most of the second, where they were quick out of their own end, in on the forecheck, finding rush plays, being creative. Their best player, especially Willie, was just ridiculously good last night. And go at it that way. Heard them on the scoreboard and also trust and this is one other part I would watch for tomorrow night's game. Trust in the scrutiny of the officiating tomorrow night because anything borderline will get called tomorrow. So don't be the team pushing the borders because I think tomorrow night it'll be a tight standard and any sort of extra punch any elbows up any cross check in the back That might have been let go in game one or had this not happen will not be let go

So that's sort of what I'll be looking for in game two Well with that in mind though I was concerned where it was going when they called Domi on that cross check in the first hour It was so red a pathetic Pathetic call really easy call. Yeah. Crazy. Given what you see in a game, that wouldn't be a call Hayes in literally a ten-year-old game. No. It was an awful call man and furthermore watching it, Marchand had already cross-checked a leaf and then Domi runs into him and then afterwards Marchand goes back and cross-checks

another leaf. Like afterwards. And yet Domi's the one that goes to the Goes to the box and I was I mean in the end it didn't matter because the Leafs they killed it They found a way to win a game, but I was impressed by Brad Marchand last night I thought he played really well man and in the third period he was dancing and skating and he looked he looked like himself like we saw that in game five in the Tampa series and everyone's focused on Bennett and everyone's wondering what's gonna happen with Kachuk and Barkov and Marchand further down the lineup you know up against a third or

fourth line or a third pairing man that love it yeah that's that has the potential to be scary tomorrow night yeah i mean he had to second-to-fifth right yes he did not second one he he drove the play but i don't want to know why you got the idea he he circle the way i can be good as the top and it's long over the lens gets but yeah i yeah for sure he that line is good that mudlund elisor anin and marshalline i did good

and and i think when I talked about who the Leafs would match up against them, I said I would probably put Lawton against them or Tavares because I don't think you want Max Dolmy against them because they're too good offensively. Lawton's line didn't have a great line in their own end last night. They were kind of running around a little bit. They were victimized. They're going to have to be out there and be a little bit more trusted. But that's why they got like you're taking a guy who was what do you have sixty something points this year

and 75 games or 70 games so you know not quite a point a game you're taking a guy who's basically a point a game player in the playoffs and you're dumping on your third line like it's all kind of match up luxury responsibility that is a deep deep luxury to have and it should be good. It should be a difference for them. Yeah. Johnny, what do you need to see from Joseph Wall, like as far as to make you feel comfortable? Like just a couple saves early, like dialed in, like, you know, that's a tough predicament

to get put in. I, you know, I've been thrown in for some mop up. But like when he, like he did well on the second, you tell me, how hard is it to get, like, I get it, like, to get dumped in with 10 minutes left on the second, the guy's puking in front of you, like, that's weird. Yeah. Especially when you just had a conversation with him three minutes prior, high-fiving, winking and smiling, you think he's okay, so any thought that you might be going in will have left your body, you're going back to spectator mode.

But he was good in the second. Yeah, I thought so too. And then he had the full intermission, fully engaged and warmed up and the third was where he maybe wasn't quite as sharp as he wanted to be so I don't know if I can put it on the tough situation to get into the net because he handled that part of it pretty well. I guess to me Noodles is you know confidence whatever making saves. Two things stand out to me where he's not quite as strong as stores or hasn't been this year One is that? He's a bit smaller than stole ours, and I don't know what he's supposed to do

but when there's a lot of traffic in front of him sometimes it looks like he Either lets himself or is unable to see pucks You know he doesn't work to find it quick He goes down and he's relatively tall but not quite tall enough and they go over his shoulders or his elbows or whatever or is unable to see pucks. He doesn't work to find it quick. He goes down and he's relatively tall, but not quite tall enough and they go over his shoulders or his elbows or whatever. I'll be watching that.

Like, can he fight to find pucks because you know there's gonna be a lot of traffic around him and in front of him. Stolars can just kind of go down there and he's a bit tall, he's like two inches taller that it works out. And the other thing, you guys just touched on it, he doesn't play the puck anywhere near as well as stole ours and does that hurt?

Toronto trying to get on their own end Yeah, and that's a big part of what Florida does right dump and chase and make it difficult and get in on the four check All right game two tomorrow night. We got game one Oilers in Vegas tonight Let me throw these duos at you and you tell me if the orders if the oil is win this series It's it's because which of these three duos got the job done McDavid and dry saddle nursing Bouchard Pickard and Skinner. I Love that Pickard is a starter. It's amazing. That's why I include Skinner because he might play

Yeah, I would bet he does play I bet it's more likely than not that Skinner gets in this series. Yeah. Because Vegas is going to win some games and, you know, Pickard, maybe the blue will burst. To me, it's the first two. It's always the first two for them. They are the first and last and most important part. Yes, the goalie has got to be good, of course. But do I think Pickard's going to go and steal them games 2-1, getting out shot 40 to 25? I do not. Do I think Bouchard and Nurse have enough to, what, lock down and play 2-1 games? I do not. They'll be good. They'll do what they do well, and they'll have some moments where they don't do it as well. What will win Evans in the series is if, whether they're playing together or apart,

on the power play or in late in games, Gris. So McDavid do what they do in the playoffs, which means if they play six or seven games in the series, okay, I'll suppose right back. You, Hayes I'm putting the over under for points by those two in this series, however long it goes at 18 and a half. It's crazy. I know that.

I know it's insane. 12 combined games. I'm gonna average a point half of them You what do you gotta take? Yeah, I guess you got to take the over I mean the over you might pay juice on that but combined between the two of them So that's in that's in six or seven games. Yeah, I'll get that point. I'll get nine points. Yes That's what they do. I could see that happening I mean the thing about it to lost in all of this defensively the guy is is struggles but

often the isn't evan bush are like second behind bobby or as far as points per game in the playoff guys are we not factoring in vegas is not going to fold up like an arty urbeys suit and i i i have a lot of the card pretty sure i thought mat moldy and capri dot a rap shot all over them. And the Kings were really good defensively and they couldn't stop them. Kings were the second best team in the league defensively. Darcy Kemper was in the finals and they couldn't stop them.

Darcy Kemper allowed five goals once this season. It was what, four times? Three, four times in that series? That's the one thing. Now LA I think did crumble and I think that's why there's, you know, Rob Blake is contracted and you know, and I think they're looking at things hardly there. But in the end, like Ebbenton can score.

The biggest challenge is can they keep it out of their net consistently? And that comes back to it. I think you're right. I think Johnny, you're right. They're going to get lots of points. Doesn't mean they're going to win games. So just, think johnnie you're right to get a lot of points doesn't mean they're gonna win game suggest you know there dry settle at four goals was that against vegas couple years going for

goals in one game they lost six five or six four member that the other triangle that's right out you know but that would be the over he does that again and we're just talking about points their points accumulation because i think they're going to win they have 21 combined in the first round in six games. Yeah, like that's rock star stuff, man. That's what you expect.

But they do it every single series. That's what the thing is about these two. So yeah, I mean, I don't know. I guess I can't see Edmonton winning without those guys being amazing. I can see them winning with Bushard and Nurse sort of being average. I can see them winning with Pickard and Skinner being okay. They won't win if those two are just okay. If they get five points each in a six or seven game series, Edmonton will not win.

So they have to be great, but the good news is that they almost always are. That is the truth, man. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's those two. Like they just always show up for the moment and they, they always continue to get better and better and better. And you might contain them at times, but stopping them completely, it just doesn't seem possible. Um, jet's starting tomorrow night. Connor Halliburke, like if let's say he has a great first two games in Winnipeg Does that does that mean anything to you or do you have to see him perform on the road? I? Know I think I think that means something it's a step in the right direction because even though he won all four games at home

He probably played well in what two of them, so it's not like he was airtight and even in Winnipeg them. So it's not like he was airtight and even in Winnipeg but it will be fascinating to see if somehow winning a first round series for the first time in a few years gets over a mental hurdle for him even if his performance you know didn't well let me the driving force. Did you hear his comment today? Let me play that clip I want to play this I am fascinated by this clip. I don't know if I'm in I. I don't know if I love it. I'll be honest Here's Connor Hellebuck earlier today on on them getting through the first round. I Definitely felt a little bit something there You know at this point it's the the pressure is kind of falling off the way the world's off my shoulders

And that has nothing to do with anyone else. It's just a the mental grind of that series the world off my shoulders and i have nothing to do with anyone else is just a the mental grind of that series having said in that moment it was like uh... second-hand for me you know i was going to go in play my game in

do i do best i don't need to do everything i just need to play my game and do it the best i can bring every single night so that he was asked about his performance in overtime but pressures off waiting for the second round and i think you're taking the comment wrong I think what he meant to say is I just needed to get through that round to find some confidence

I don't think either there's no it's not possible to be involved in these games and not feel any pressure now Yeah, I think he was I think he he didn't use the proper wording I think you have a longer context of it, too, I don't know how you feel about Johnny. Like I think he's trying to set up and go now. Like now I've got an opportunity. He used the word second chance. And I think that's what he should be clinging to going. We got through this and I didn't have my goods, but I did feel my goods

the last couple of periods or in overtime Let's see what I've got against Dallas because he's gonna need it. Let's be honest like that I think Dallas is a rock star team and you're getting Robertson Hayskinen back You know, it sounds like they're gonna be back like those guys are you know, they're top players That's the crazy part, you know So I they're gonna need all a hell of bucks so he better be you know the weight of the world better be off his shoulders kissy better put

that team on his back as you know i i don't see winnipeg winning without him being a rockstar yeah yeah i think robertson practice on the line today so i think robertson playing game one patient and maybe not can write to me guys i can't and i think that the front in fault of if i were to put a polygraph on carter hellbunket and said, do you think you played well in the first round? He'd say no, if he wanted to pass the polygraph.

You know what I said? Did you feel some pressure about trying to play well there? And did it affect your performance? He'd say yes, because it did. If I were to ask him, will there be more pressure in round two, three or four, or round one, he would say two, three or four. What he's doing is like sort of positive self-talk. Setting him, like saying it out loud, even though he doesn't really believe it, but it

sounds good. Like, you know what? That was the hard part. That was the hurdle. That was the mental barrier. I'm over that now. Now I can just breathe and play and be free. I don't know if he really believes that.

I probably think he doesn't. But I think it's good to say it. He's trying to get himself in a good frame of mind as opposed to saying, man, I struggle around one again and it's only gonna get harder against this team, which is probably the truth, but you don't wanna hear that. You don't wanna hear it out of your own mouth or anybody else's.

He's just positive self-talk. He's probably not accurate. All right, you guys are selling me. And the idea that Listen, I'm sure he faced an enormous amount of pressure because of the way he performed in games three four and six To have an outing, you know, you guys goofed on me, but I said it I thought he owed his team perfection and overtime And I think those comments that might be what he said that man i was not

breaking out of a lot of the bad go might be more how can they look at me again and you know i mean it all just called you out for the timing of it that's why i thought it was mandatory what are you gonna make a prediction after the game you gotta call your shots before the game and did call your shot i call my shot you know that you know them perfection perfection in a lot of time Johnny good stuff buddy we'll do it again later in the week all right next time I'll be coming you from the shores of Sweden on Friday so I am off tonight to Europe okay I'll talk to you boys in a couple

days from there I love it say hi to Sid and Nate Dogg for us. Sid, more flower like listen, we got an All-Star team over there right now. What a scene man, that's gonna be an awesome turning. Mike Matheson's over there now, the whole gang has said, well, Sid's going, I better go. Yeah, the power of Sid.

I would do the same if I was on the fence. I'm like, sure, I'll hitch a ride to this bandwagon. Yeah, go find a gold medal with Sid man. You can't beat it All right, safe travels will catch up later in a week There's Mike Johnson joining us here on the maple Toyota hotline drive the built-in Canada fuel efficient fun to drive Toyota RAV4 gas or hybrid models available visit maple toyota Dot-com they are gonna tear that tournament apart. Can you imagine Nate McKinnon? Oh angry Nate McKinnon imagine Nate McKinnon? Oh, angry Nate McKinnon. Angry Nate McKinnon.

Like, there will be players on the other team going, who the hell is this guy? They're going to shred that tournament. You're right. You're right. There's going to be some little year old guy that comes back to the bench and says, that guy should be in the league about a year older than us. Exactly. Like, they're playing in the league about the year older than us exactly like there He's playing in the wrong age with a tinted mask or tinted visor

And you're right They are going to tear apart some countries like tear apart for fun if Nate's on his game And there's no reason to believe he won't be yeah He's he's gonna put on a couple performances over there that are gonna be absurd like five goals Yes, it five assists cuz he puts it on a tee for sit like that's what we're talking about I agree you got to play the two of them together. Yeah, you have to All right. We'll continue with some confirm or deny We got Craig button coming up in just over half an hour overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSN for all right Don't forget TSN 1050s

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m for first up uh... by confirmers and i continue them to go off the board here joe from the bridge will not necessarily it's on the board but we saw the new york islanders storm up the lottery board last night. Yep. And, oh, I think you bring up a very, very convenient conspiracy theory. Yeah.

Where, you know, they canceled the All-Star Game. The governor of New York wrote a... Publicly shamed Jerry. Publicly shaming Jerry. They did a completely different version of the lottery than they ever have. Yeah. I didn't even know what was going on I'm like, how is this even normal? So it's Billy Daly start flipping the cards like the old days Yes, that's what it used to be Bill Daly with the card flip and they were back, you know doing their thing with I don't know

Philip Pritchard was back there or something And this was very very different, know, more modern I would say. But the Islanders, like they barely missed the playoffs and they storm up and they end up with the first pick. And here's my confirm with an eye for you, that the New York Islanders should consider where James Haggins grew up in consideration for the first overall pick. And what I mean by that is Haggins grew up on Long Island, presumably a big Islanders fan.

And he's supposed to be a top five player. Coming into the season, he was the presumptive first overall pick. Dude, that's gotta be the dumbest thinking. I'm totally denying this. You take the best player, like what are you gonna say? Oh, this guy can bring some people in the building with his hundred and family and friends every night but isn't Schaefer ranked number one yeah yes yeah so then I was talking to Craig about it last night this guy's gonna be playing 25 minutes a night for you can skate can

run the power play first up on the penalty kill he's a first up defenseman power play penalty kill big shifts offensive zone deep like he he's a stud can't miss it can't pass him up yeah well I mean I mean it's not like Haggins is projected to go in the third round right and I think Craig had a mock going fourth was it third or fourth or fifth last night I here's what I'll say I will if you're a still say the difference is not that great it's like a coin flip then go ahead and do it and I don't think your scouts are going to be able to they may they may not but this my concern would

be the owner steps in and goes you're telling me I can get a kid from around the corner when do you ever who is from Long Island that well hockey in the end why don't you do a Brian Burke do a Brian Burke and graft one and two or something like that and get them both? Now you're thinking. Now you got something cooking here. Yeah, you trade up to get make sure that you get him but you also take the Schaeffer kit. Like there you get creative.

But that being said, how are you going to get the number two pick or whatever like you're going to have to trade Barcell to get the number two pick or whatever, you're going to have to trade Barcell to get it type of thing. Whatever it is, it might have to be the three pick. Who knows? Well, I think you go with the best player available, but I do hear what you're saying. But the rumor of the owner getting involved, that's nail Yakapov. Well, exactly.

The owner is going to make the call in the end you give it an owner a bottle of wine and some input on exercises you got a day well it's not even about that though it's his buddy is friends with his uncle and James Haggins a great kid and he grew up an islander fan and you just know the stories are gonna come out right like oh my dad's favorite player is Brian Trotty like it's just it's just you can feel it common yes and uh... well it doesn't have to sound practice but it also doesn't mean it's a remarkable reach like again coming into the season haggins was supposed to be the first overall pick that doesn't mean anything things change

it's not a reach to the point where you like who is this kid like that is not he's not supposed ranked at seventeen point where you're like who is this kid like yeah he's not he's not supposed to rank that's seventeen no exactly come one but i i i don't know like we're gonna ask craig on this yes we will see i know what i was gonna say craig's getting to say you have to you cannot think that way and he would be right in that you take the best player available and who you think is going to have the most impact for your organization moving forward yes but what i want to ask craig is if you have the most impact for your organization moving forward. Yes. But what I want to ask Craig is if you're the GM and your owner gives you a call and goes, hey I heard this Hagen's kids from Long Island, how do you

approach that topic? What do you say? Because you know what he's sniffing out. Right. You know the owner's like, hey I heard this guy's from Rockport or what that's awesome you know that's interesting this guy's from Rockport or what? That's awesome. You know, that's interesting. Is he ever in the Hamptons? Like, I'm in the Hamptons. Yeah. I don't know. You just say, oh, that's great, but he's not half as good as the other guy that we're

taking. That's, I guess, what you have to do. Yes. You've got to pounce on popping the tires of somebody else. But I guess my also question would be, who the hell is the owner talking to because they don't have a manager right now? Correct? That's true. Lulamo that was Ken Moro that I recognized from when I

was with the Islanders Ken Moro is their director of I think scouting or director of player personnel he's the guy looking into the zoom throwing the hat on all fired up like they don't there's no manager position. Get Mike Milbury back in there. Oh my god. Maybe Mike Milbury is looking to run the show. Put But Milbury. But which going there put butch. Yeah, but you can say good Yeah Thing is is they've got to get that sorted out very quickly and you keep hearing Ken Holland You keep hearing a lot of their names that are being bandied about You know Rob Blake's job has to be filled you now. It's now it's Lou Lammer. Oh straw that has to be filled

There's a lot of job vacancies throughout the league and okay i guess the other thing where we're focused on the playoffs and rightfully so there's got to be a lot of business stuff happening outside here soon this fact coaches being hired here well years and like the awards are being announced right last night they announced the norris uh... or not the norris the uh... all the calder nominees and that's

hudson and celebrini and dustin wolf going to leave so i think all of us would have agreed on that yep yeah uh... now you wonder if the russian would have been in their head towards uh... you know maybe not even as a whole season and i like baby he loves thirty five when right when torts left men in the doctor and the problem or i think it was doing michigan's on penalty shots after practice and the torch laughs he couldn't wait for towards to get out of there but man was he happy those three

deserve to be in the finals for sure like I don't I don't I mean Hudson is gonna win it man I'd be I think celebrino get votes and he should and so should wolf I mean absolutely wolf that's phenomenal as a rookie goalie that Calgary team had the most amount of points to miss the playoffs I think yeah in modern day like they had 90 what 596 points yeah that's things man they were right there yeah they were I don't think they would have given Winnipeg a better push though than st. Louis did no I think in the end st. Louis was the more formidable foe for sure if you want to pay

uh... but yet calibrate a great year and a lot of that was dustin wolf there's no questioning that but i i can tell you in in montreal they're thinking lane hudson wins the caller this year and i've been done with of you know just give it to him now as he's a lot to win a next year uh...

that's why you play the games though. Well, exactly. Like I'm taking the field. I loved what I saw to damn it off the first couple of games, but you give me the field on rookies. You have to take the field. Yes. You know, he's, he's one player.

He's a kid. He's still waiting his way through the league. He's still trying to figure it all out. He's not going to be running on adrenaline anymore. What if this Eastern Cowan shows up next year and has a year? That's an interesting thought. Every team's got an up and coming, or not every team, because I think there's teams that have traded away a bunch of players that their cupboards are bare, but there are teams

that have what they would be perceived as a gradeA prospect that could make the jump next year. He can't go back to junior, right, Cowan? No, he's gotta go to the American League, I believe, next year. Yeah, I think he's eligible to play in the minors, which gives them some flexibility if he's not immediately ready. Do you think, like London's in the OHL championship

against Oshawa? By the way, we never talk about the Londonites, what they do. Shocker. Yeah, no kidding, every single year. They're in the finals? What? Shocker? And Oshawa. They just go to the Londonites what they do. Yeah, no kidding every city in the finals I live every year and they just go to the finals every year man like that that program And I know people think that behind the scenes there could be monkey business. I don't know what the hell people think

I know what people think I just don't know what's actually happening It's just incredible winning though. They just yes New group of players win the championship like it's just incredible winning all they just as it's good new group of players when the championship like it's crazy man well and and same to to for osho man like osho has been a really good program for the last deck like forever they've had some of the great when do your players well at bobby or in lindros and tomorrow's like those are three of i don't know you know those three of the ten greatest junior players ever i don't

i mean they're they're great great players clearly and in junior i don't know, you know those three of the 10 greatest junior players ever. I don't know. I mean they're they're great great players Clearly and in junior. I don't know exactly the stats bobby or put up I'm pretty certain they were pretty good in oshawa But lindros and tavaras were like crazy how good they were um But they won the they won the ohl championship and the memorial cup like a decade ago that's when sireli was on that team and um, they were in the oL final a few years ago and anyway they're back in it again this year. What's the craziest like you just mentioned like

some of the greatest junior players ever. I can throw a stat line at you and like your head may blow off like here it is 63 games played 76 goals 136 assists 212 points and 101 penalty minutes in 63 games 212 points are you asking who we think that player is well I just saying like green no it's not but is that Eric Lindros you played in the West No, it was Rob Brown. Robby Rob Brown. Wow He was ridiculous in jr. Ridiculous. Yeah, there's like he was he played in Kamloops like they had if they had a program kind of like the London Nights

It was just everybody who came through Kamloops is Darcy Tucker and it's a Ginnla. It's Nita Meyer It was running down Shane Doan, like that program for years was kind of the gold standard out west. Yeah. Like you're talking about like top 10 junior players I've ever heard of, like Robbie Brown would be one of them. Like that's insane. It would be a great list, man.

It would be, it's very difficult to put together comparing all the different leagues because the queue, like you go look at Mario Lemieux's, QMJ, Chels, that's, it's, they're be it's very difficult to put together comparing all the different leagues because the Q like you go look at Mario Lemieux's QMJHL stats it's there it's disgusting like Pat LaFontaine went up there I think LaFontaine he had 100 goals I'm pretty sure in a season in the Q. Mario Lemieux had 70, played 70 games, 133 goals, 149 assists, 282 points and 97 penalty minutes. He had 133 points. Did you imagine being like a walk-on 18-year-old that gets stuck out there with Mario Lemieux? D-Man with bad wheels. Just horrible wheels and no vision or anything.

And Lemieux steps over the boards and is dancing that night. Like Mario, those stats are crazy. Pat LaFontaine's stats were nuts. If you look those up, I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure he played in the queue. And it was, here, let me look. I'm looking at it on the fly he was in for done he had a hundred and four goals 130 assists 234

points in 70 games well dude a hundred and like I thought 45 goals in the O was in 66 games a lot but take throw a hunch up Ray had a hundred and eight yes a hundred eight and brand in Brandon yeah so there's three guys we just named. And everybody talks about those days as being the toughest hockey that's ever been played in the world. Something was going on there for guys to be ripping home a hunch goals. Well, Lafontaine had 10 penalty minutes the whole year. Yeah, well he had the puck the whole time.

People were taking penalties on him. You go back to even like late 80s, that's when I was playing junior, early 90s, like I won top goalie, my goals against average was 3.74 or something ridiculous. Like, a four spot a night was nothing. Nothing, man. It stood on your head.

Only gave up four. Yeah, had a good night, gave up four. It's so true, man. Just had a good night's gave up for Just totally and it's still like that like kids in the OHL are not putting up like a 930 save percentage They just it's the goalie. We always you you talk about it's the latest position to develop it takes longer You know, it's tough. It's it's a grind Anyway, yeah someone writing in that yeah, I knew this I should have known this the generals were in the final last year against London so we got a back-to-back final Wow and London's naturally won it last year. We'll see what comes of it alright Craig button coming up and

Craig McTavish will join us. We'll get to our best bets as well overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSN for alright, we were talking about the OHL finals between the Generals and the Knights and brought us into a conversation about some of the great junior players ever. And we mentioned Mario Lemieux and like the guys numbers. 282 points, he had 133 goals. And that year he set the all time CHL record

including a 61 game point streak and 11 points in his final regular season game. That was Mario. He capped off that season with an 11-point night and the beauty of this because you're looking at it like Gretzky's obviously and Gretzky played one season in the suit when he was 16 he had 182 points as a 16 year old in the O. G Fleur a hundred and thirty cookies and sixty two games That's who? 132 cookies and sixty two games

it's it's amazing and what it is what I love about these stories is it's so Canadian because The the idea that you like so many people want to see them play then it's like you got to see this kid like and And I remember that oh you you told me about your history and your dad saying it, too I remember my dad brought me to Oshawa's like we got to go see this Lindrow's kid play Yeah, we got it was it was before for me. It was like 14 or 15 years old not even drafted yet I don't think right. He was filling rinks around Toronto like playing for the Detroit compuware and then he was filling ranks around toronto like playing is for the detroit compuware and then he was with saint mikes and then this guy with the everyone in toronto had to go see this this monster just

killing people and scoring five goals again her carolyn was crazy and that was gretsky that was one new uh... it's a special thing was a simple mcdavid are when he i want to see him play when he was in minor bantam he was playing europe and he was in the o h o cop who's playing for the marley's uh... and i i we want to see a match uh... i don't remember where the game was uh... and he was down and i think it was and it was a herb carter jersey dominant back then i was unbelievable and it was the same thing was the buzz throughout

the city it was like this kids come and you gotta see this could play like you know it was it was doing that back in the day before your time Hayes was Michael Pekka was like that too he was like a yeah him and that team the Toronto Red Wings team they had there like he was Michael Pekka was highly regard people were going to watch him play yeah like you'd get kids exactly your parents like people that weren't even affiliated with the league like I gotta go see this kid play I went and watch Connor McDavid when he was like, yeah playing in the oil shell cup Yes, I know it's amazing the guy that's the beauty of the game that's the beauty of the sport

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