OverDrive - OverDrive - May 7, 2025 - Hour 2

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 2 on OverDrive! ESPN Hockey Analyst Ray Ferraro joins to discuss the biggest headlines from around the second round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, the Maple Leafs' winning outlook against the Panthers and Joseph Woll making the start in the series. The guys go around the sports world in the latest edition of Mini Gerry's.

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to the final score. Brian Haseo, Doug, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennan were chugging towards puck drop tonight. Game two Leafs Panthers. We got Jets and Stars in Winnipeg tonight, which is great. You got Toronto, Winnipeg, right? Everything in the NHL tonight. Two Canadian teams, right?

But multiple anthems. We're going to get both anthems in both rings tonight. Just want to send out a reminder to you, you and Noodles were talking about teams that advanced and they got a favorable matchup and they didn't pull it off and you were like, well, what do you think happened back in 02 when the Leafs got Carolina? I was on the team, you dumbass! That was uncalled for, but it was also... That was uncalled for but it was also Straight-faced you're like, yeah. Well, that's what happened if they get Carolina and they do and I was well, okay So the back story is we were type speaking hypothetically, but all the different avenues for different teams to get somewhere

I tried to do you a favor and spin it a different way that wasn't like that. Yes No, I know but you know we were and I was just referencing that there was a moment in time back in 2002 when the Leafs got Carolina and the thought was well you got it. We want Carolina. Yeah like it's like basically you're making cup final arrangements and you must have been in high school or something getting drunk with your buddies saying we are going to the down I was finals absolutely thinking that like you can road trip to Detroit for hours we're going down I just I had buddies who went down to Carolina for games and

it just it didn't work out it didn't work out for the Maple Leafs I had one buddy I'm not kidding jumped out of a tree right before I was pulling into the players only parking lot and he goes can you give me some tickets tonight? I just had to roll out my window. Yeah that can't do it Like a movie I jumped out of a tree. It was flagged me down. He's like I need I just said I can't I can't do this I'm trying to worry about a game tonight instead of that's insane. But yeah people have guts I don't know like that what I said off air was like, again, this is not the most positive thing. I mean, like you could see them,

if they beat Florida, then it's like, you don't want them to take the next opponent lightly. That was what I was saying. I was saying, geez, Carolina looked pretty good last night. And I go, in my mind, I'm like, you beat Florida, last night, and I go you know in my mind like you beat, Florida That's the the big you know David and Goliath Accomplishment and then like Carolina beats you and you're like okay, and that's what you go well That's what happened in 02. I was like

He's sitting right there. I understand that it doesn't make make it inaccurate. It's a garbage ass comment It's a greasy gutless comment, but it's an accurate one in terms of mentality. That's all I'm saying. It's the belief was you got through Ottawa, and then who'd they beat in the second round that year? Is it the Islanders they beat? In like a war. Dude, that was a bloodbath.

That was one of the craziest series. I remember watching on my off days saying, because we were playing Montreal, and I was like, don't want to play either Well, that was when the owner said that Eric Karen's who was skating around and I just he was a lost was a monster He went well, he was throwing massive hits Oh, he was drawing healing people by killing people with hits He was the original like Jordan to to or cow clutter bar Shaka was killing people too and Pekka was and that's when talks decided like that's when I think he took him out in the

Was that game for game? Is that from the hip from behind? No That's Alfredson took him out and that wasn't it was in the previous ride I don't know. I got out all the I get them all make old-school slap shot like Drop the shoulder. He dropped it. He caught his knee and it was just an awkward. It was kind of a hip knee. It was, because Pekka was looking the other way.

The Tucks took out Pekka's knee. I don't think it was a direct knee shot, but he got him. Okay, so it's a direct knee shot. People in New York weren't happy. Throw the video. At some point Joe from the Bridge. He has all the things that happened. Find the Tucker Pekka hit and we'll break it down. It's a high percent. Because I played with them both on the same team and that hit I don't think. Here it is. Yeah. That angle is great. That might be going down low. There's some submarine. There's some submarineing in that. Oh my god. And it was, he got him. That is an old that's slap shot like digging in okay

That was so the owners were the first round in Ottawa was the second round that year, okay? And yeah, but that is a reminder like we all love Darcy Tucker He's a good friend Obviously a friend of ours friend of the show Lee fans love him But it is good perspective because people are looking at Sam Bennett be like I want to kill this guy, right? When he's on your team, you're like, I love this guy. You know what? That was Tucker and Domey. Watch the old-school slap shot.

Slide in. Look. Pfft. And just boom. I'm sorry. That's a 10-game suspension. I don't think so. I don't think so.

I don't think it's a 10-gamer. I mean, it's he passes the puck. He's submarine, Pex. It's a 10 gamer. I mean it's Submarine packs it's But I but I think he was bracing for Pekka to get his stick up too and he's like I'm going he got him Yeah, and then he's like change yeah glides to the bench change please Yeah, that moving on honestly we saw hits I was there and ray ferraro was there the night delon terry s killed here to i was on the black cases and they was playing that night

delon terry still says i don't know when and didn't didn't have a lot of money i would stop up uh... here's ray ferraro or a good friend from the sbm ray what's happening? Yeah, well, Dale didn't notice the 17,000 people cheering and the horns going off. But, you know, it was just a, you know what I remember about that noodles? And every time I look at that clip is Richie Pilon coming in from the blue line. He flew over the top of the pack, like he was coming off the top rope at WWE.

It was mayhem. And we're like, what is he doing? Yeah, that was one of the- Oh, that's a crazy one, man. And it was Tarzan. It's your best player, it's your leader, it's a guy. That's crazy. He just buried the guy.

Man, it's like, we were just talking about perspective. Go ahead, Ray. Well, I'd say he got 20 games for that. Right. And everyone said at the time, for the next year, they're like, oh my God, the NHL is gonna be tough on discipline now, and then that kind of went away, and pretty soon there was, there's a couple plays,

you know, I don't can't think of them offhand, but if you look at them now, like in today's world, like that guy would have got two years. Oh man, just crazy. And he got a hooking penalty or whatever. It was like ridiculous. We're watching the hit, Ray.

It has to be five seconds after the glow too. Dude, it's post Celebration there's your own fist pumps. Yeah, and then gets buried. Yeah, that's true About to lift his right arm up in the air and absolutely got blindsided Did you guys I heard you say Michael Peck? I don't know what play you were talking about. He hit Timo Solani one time in Winnipeg. Oh man. Yes.

It was, I'm going to say in real time, it was three seconds late and he hit, and of course everyone's saying, well, you can't watch your pass, you can't watch your pass. The play was gone. Like I don't, I don't even think he got a penalty for it. Yeah. That one's like, There's YouTube with that, like the whole game in the aftermath. And then he

fought, did he fight Domi the next game? He might've. He fought somebody because Domi, I believe, was on Winnipeg. And I remember the buildup to the next game. It was like, you got to watch yourself here because Timo Solani is not a guy you hit. I had Michael Peck lined up in Carolina one night, and I've known him for a long time. And as soon as he turned the corner, I could have absolutely destroyed him, and he was not a guy you could catch like that in a vulnerable position.

And at the very last second, I just yelled Peck's, and I grabbed him and kind of went into the boards with him. And every day after that that i thought to myself if the roles were reversed i am probably your and yeah he would have been structured out of that because he was a little bit like a word that i was toward guy he was like so thin and wiry strong but back i could crush you with him uh... that's the end of the he might i don't think you would be held a all yeah i

know i know that i thought about that a lot well it's like his he was one of those guys and i think he spoke on it you know we're talking with the talker hit the took about no two and you know that the live by the sword died by the sword kinda guy like last year it was march and it was on the wrong side of sam bennett and and march and set it up there is a's playoff hockey guys are out here trying to hurt people yeah like that's actually what happened I loved when he said that because it's true and honest like they're not deliberately trying to do it

but if they do do it it's some kind of bonus where you talk yourself into saying that's what we're trying to do here yeah make people out of series well Ray what do you what do you expect? How does the Sam Bennett storyline play into game two for you tonight? Well, I assume Wolves playing, right? Yes. Yeah. That's how it plays into game two. The play itself, I was doing the game, so I'm hundred feet away exactly and I didn't think anything really of it at all

at the time other than, man, he probably could have had a penalty there. I mean, like he hit him in the crease. Like that's what I thought. And then even when he went to the bench and wool came in, I'm like, what happened? Like in real time, I'm like, was he sick? Like, I didn't even, it didn't strike me at all that it possibly could be even thought of as more than a penalty. So I, I don't think there's any, I mean, what's the carryover? Like the, the carryover is you need to win three more games.

Yep. Right. You can't, you can't worry about any of this. Um, I mean, you can worry about it or whatever, but it can't, it can't take your only focus away, which is to win tonight. I thought Toronto started awesome. Like like couldn't have been better. And I thought Florida played a dozy, sleepy, uncharacteristic first half of the game. Like I, I was like,

man, they never make mistakes like this. They really don't. And then, you know, they get back in the game and then they got four guys on the ice. You know, for the Nice goal. It was a weird game that kind of all got forgotten around the Bennett play. Right. Ray, what would you be expecting as far as adjustments? Like Florida is obviously going to be saying, okay, the party's over. We have to get back to our stingy defense

where we force dump-ins, we're physical. And what's Toronto's counter to that as opposed to just saying, you know what, we're cooking right now, we're just going to keep doing it? So, of course, Ech Blatt will be back in tonight. That certainly helps Florida. I think Florida would look at that game and think the third period was how they play. And it's a lot of what you said, like chip and make those D turn, you finish a check, you get in on the four check,

the Ds come pinching down the wall, and you just, you know, you try to smother them like that. For Toronto, to me, it's all about their, the way they get back on the puck and the way they exit. If they don't exit with the puck, Florida just becomes like one of those like a slow steamroller that you, or a roller that you see on the highway. It's like they just, they dump it in, they four check, they bang around for a bit. You don't exit, you just kick it out to center ice, and then they come right back at you and slowly they just grind you down.

So to me it's about defense, back, forwards, in position so you can either exit clean or chip it and get pressure on them so Florida can't renew. Eventually you can break through like that but if you just get it and shoot it out of the zone it's that's a bad recipe too. Is there somebody on Toronto that you would circle tonight and go doesn't matter what Florida does they can take over the game? Oh I think Marner has Marner had in my mind a pretty quiet game one and I and I can I mean it's pretty easy to see why. I thought he was fine,

he's good, but I think he's got another gear to him. We've talked about Nylander a lot over the years. I think if Toronto can go deep, he has the potential to be known around the league as a big game guy. Like I just don't think this stuff phases him, any of it. And so when I look at Toronto, no matter what else or who else plays, it's the top end. It has to be. If the top end outplays Florida's top end, like they did the other night,

like I think that's a necessity. Cause depth wise, I don't think, I don't think they can hang with Florida if I if I look at the depth of the lineups. Where do you stand on the status of Matthew Kachuk and how close to a hundred percent healthy he is? I mean the first so I did his first game back he got two goals and you're like oh my god he's back and then you look at the end of the series and you're like, he played 14 minutes. Um, Matt, he's an interesting guy, right? Because he's not, you know, he's not a fast skater. He's not the biggest guy. He's, you know,

he doesn't have like these incredible dangly hands, but he does everything well enough with a really great hockey brain. And I didn't think they spent any time in the zone where he does his best stuff. Like he's hash marks down, right? That's where he's going to make his biggest impact. So if I look at their line or their top six, the only one of the top six I thought was any good the other night was Verhage. I thought he was really good. But Barkov, Kachak, Rodriguez, Bennett scored the late goal. They just, Reinhardt, they just, they got outplayed. And so I don't think Matthew's 100%. I don't, I don't see how he could be. Um, and if he's not, I mean, that's,

they got to, they got to somehow play around it and you play around it by having really good depth. And they, I thought the other night they were just, they were so dozy by the time they got into the game, it was, it was a big mountain to climb, right? And they were, Toronto had started too well and you tell they almost got into the game it was it was a big mountain to climb right and they were toronto had started too well and you hell they almost got all the way back but it's it's too much of a head start to give to give the leaf well and on a on a big picture level ray like what is what is it two nothing leading the series worth let's let's fast forward tonight let's say the leafs win uh i don't know where you stood on your prediction before the series started, but

the Leafs were underdogs in Vegas, on Fandl, everywhere. And obviously, the Cup champs are the Cup champs, and I think they deserve that level of respect, especially when you consider how they dismantled Tampa in the previous series. I would say almost mandatory. Close to it. You think? Yeah. Yeah. Mandatory when, you mean? Tonight? To go up to Cobb.

You got, so this is the head start you need to either even it out or to spin it where you say okay the Leafs, now they are expected, fully expected to win the series. Yeah I don't know what the stats tell you but you know obviously you win the first two like then Florida's got to win four out of five. They are capable, Florida, of winning on the road. They're like, they're not like Carolina. Carolina won, I think, 48 games this year and they won 16 on the road. Like they're not a great road team for whatever reason, yet they win game one.

Florida can win and they do win on the road. So I wouldn't say, I wouldn't go quite as far old as you did, but I think it's, man, it's really critical not to give Florida a lifeline. Like I worry about from the least perspective, if you split, it's pretty easy to go down there, and Florida's all ramped up, they win game three, now you're almost in a must-win in game four. As long as these series take,

the guts of the series happen really fast, and in like four days, what was a good position, it's a, now you got an anvil over your head. It's a, you know, now you're, you got a, you know, an anvil over your head. It's like it, it happened so fast. Yeah. Big time, big time. And I guess, you know, that's obviously the messaging for, for Perupi. I mean, clearly you want to win every single game, but I think it's more of an objective view when you look at what Florida is capable of doing. And like you said, their ability to, to really be unfazed by any scenario including being on the road

But you know the Leafs are in a scenario here where they've been playing pretty well yet They got Joseph Wallenette tonight, right? And everyone's got a different viewpoint on what he's capable of doing or how this could change the complexion of the series Where do you stand on wall going in? Well, I guess I would, you know, Noodles would know this best, but he's sitting over there in game one, he's got his ball hat on and he's having a great time, well not a great time, but he's enjoying the game, the team's doing well and you know, the only, I'm sure the goalie, the backup, starts thinking at some point, I might have to go in here because we're losing 5-1 or whatever and they start

to prepare. Wohl's over there watching the game looking at the jumbotron and then Solars is puking in a bucket and you're like, I gotta go in. And I thought he looked fine. He made a couple of good saves in that second period. I thought he looked shell shocked in the third and I'm no goalie expert, but man, he was deep a couple of times and you think shell shocked, right? You should have seen them when they panned a Hildeby.

He was like cross-eyed on the bench. He was even the, like, Samer was like, Hey, it looks a little terrified. Like it was like, it was the, the fear, like that was deer in the headlights. Like that was Hildeby could not believe he had his gear on. The underpinning him on him would have been disastrous. You would have needed your tailor. Yes. He needed the triple stack. So I don't know. He has to be able to be okay with the traffic that's going to be around him and

okay knowing he's the guy tonight and obviously he's going to be excited to play. But it's one thing to be excited, it's another to get in. Ray, I think you always use the term, like there's certain times in your career, like this guy's still a relatively young guy, but it is really time to just put everything aside and put your big boy pants on and you gotta go out there and do the job. He's so young that it might not be career defining, but it could be a massive moment for the kid. Sink or swim.

So just put your big boy pants on and get your ass out there and do the job. End of story. Yeah, because the other night, whatever was gonna happen was gonna be, there would be a story to it. Hey, he had to come in. Yeah because the other night whatever was gonna happen was gonna be there would be a story to it. Hey he had to come in. Yeah. Rusty, whatever. Yeah and now it's like I'll say this in general nobody cares. You're in there, you're the starting goalie, play like a starting goalie. Last year Anthony Stolarz came into one game in the playoffs. It was that game in Edmonton they lost 8-1 and it looked like he he hadn't played in forever.

The team was terrible that night. And he looked like he'd never played in an NHL game before. Like, you know, like you're just, and nobody expected him to, they were just like, let's get out of here. And you know, when wool goes in and there's no expectation in game one, there's expectation and need

in game two. Because who knows, Stolarz is doing better, great, awesome, and good, I'm really happy for him. But what if he's not better for game three? This might become your series. Do you think Calvin Pickard thought he was going to be the starting goalie for the Oilers? No. No.

Six years he was in the minors. And eventually it's like, here's your chance. The other guy can't stop the puck right now. And now he's won five straight games. This is your chance. The door swung open. Jump through it. Yeah, it's a great opportunity.

It is. It really is. And Pickard, you're right, man. Ever since he's been in there, they haven't lost a game. Now there's been some shootouts in there it's not like he's been perfect no that they I feel I don't know how you feel to rate like for some reason they play for him like they trust him like I think they trust him more than the other guy that's really what it is you know now I I'm I mean it's

one thing the guys that get characterized as battlers I think that's a code for well they don't have much style and somehow they just stop the puck. And that's when I think of Pickard, I'm like, he just goes in there and fights his ass off. And he never looks like, you know, like he's not gonna give you everything that he's got. Like, but last night, for example,

you know, you mentioned there was a couple of shootouts in there against LA. Last night, last night, for example, you know, you mentioned there was a couple of shootouts in there against LA last night. I could have played in the second period. It would have still been one, nothing. He had one shot. I probably could have stopped that one too. Well, maybe not.

I don't know, but he has one shot. And so he goes in, he got his chance and why would you ever think that you want to give the net back? Like it's my chance, man. Like, I want to play. And so if they go back to Skinner at some point, well, that's the way it goes. But he's in there now.

He'll never, he's not going to give it up. Joe Wohl goes in. He has to look at this. This is my chance. And whether Stolarz is ready to play game three or game four, it doesn't matter. What if Wohl goes in and throws a shadow it on the board yeah well now now you're like see i'm here i'm like i'm a viable option for the team agreed do you think eric comrie was thinking that way in the last round when he was playing three times for the

winnipec jets he must have been going what is what is, well like everybody in Winnipeg, what is happening? Why do they keep calling me to go in? What's your percentage, we did a mini Jerry's percentage on seeing him at all skate into the net and play hockey this series? Um, 6%. Ooh, that's lower than any of us know i think the hell about the cases at eighty percent on the air are is that a hundred times a lot of that by a hell of a because really damaged my trust and i can't lie

rain this is a guy he was at the game on a walk into her shot on that he sent me a noodles attacks and and said, All Marks rattled. One shot on net he goes, this guy's mental games off. We couldn't even respond. I was seeing things. He was in the building and he said, he texts us and he goes, All Marks in his head or something like that. And I, two shots on net. I got flushed, unfortunately. I was going to write back and for some reason I got distracted and I didn't Write back. I was picking up on things and then we brought it up five days later And all mark I think he didn't play well that game He wasn't bad yeah, he wasn't bad in that game. Yeah. Yeah, what had happened? Did he stand there in the anthem wrong?

There were even having shots on that Tex comes in this guy's office game. He's in his head Well, there's a couple things one. He was complaining. He was yapping with the rest It doesn't matter now but remember when he went to the bench and had a long break took a seven minute break because Something was wrong with his helmet. No, I think he was trying to settle his team down himself down That's what I think he was trying to settle his team down. Himself down? That's what I think he was doing. That was my analysis. I knew exactly what was going on. I saw the same thing as at least him just trying to buy his team because I think the Leafs has started pretty quick and he was just trying to slow things down. Alright, it doesn't matter.

That series is over. It was so funny. No, no. Thank you for bringing that up, guys. That's enjoyable. I'll send everything I see tonight, I'm going to send you guys all the text. Please do. I do have a question though for Noodle. So vote Hellebock. So I had this thought.

So when, what's his name, Faxa scored to make it 3-1. I mean, Hellebock couldn't have... his head was almost in the net. Well, and he... Faxa hit the middle of the net, like he was off his angle. He could... I'm like, what is he doing? He's so bad! And then in overtime, he made like three saves, and he was like two feet in front of the crease. And I thought like, does a goalie ever go through it? The way I was playing before does not work. I'm gonna go out here. Because he did it the whole overtime. overtime. Well and in the third period he made a left shoulder save. He didn't have a lot but he made a left shoulder save that could have been the

difference but somewhere along the line now I heard this again I'd have to be corrected but I thought I read through the Winnipeg notes where it said he told the guys in the third period after the second or something like I'm done giving up goals you guys go get us back into the game something like that. I think he called his shot, but you're right ray like He looked more comfortable. We were texting. That's when you know, hey's put out here I wasn't texting he's put out a tweet. I don't know if you saw that Connor hellebuck owes his team Perfection in the third and overtime in overtime in particular

And I stand by that this guy went on a goalie tirade in the first round getting started And I got my eyes on Hellebuck and Ottenger tonight. I can't wait well goalie Bob needs a response He was no he wasn't that good. He wasn't that good the other night like The tan of shot bounced twice in front of him To the point where I don't think it made it to the back of the net. That was one of the weirder ghouls ever. And Tanev afterwards was like, yeah, I was just trying to get it to nine to six. They've got to try to plant a seed, whether it's Bob, the whole team, that to keep this

thing going, it's tough. They've been to two finals in a row and you just got to plant the seed and that might be some kind of blowout win again or Bob's not good again. Just plant the seed where it's like maybe the party's over. You played a lot of hockey and the party's gotta stop sooner or later. You just gotta just a little seed, plant it. Well when Tanev did an interview between periods and they asked him about it on our game and he said something like,

wait, I think it bounced like six or seven times. Like he was even laughing at himself. He's like, I just kind of flung it in there. I mean, what are the chances that thing goes in? No kidding. Oh, that gives you more stuff though, more ammunition. Oh, I hope I see another one like that tonight, man. Full breakdown, full breakdown of what I'm witnessing

and what I think is going on between the ears of all these guys. Post to post with Brian Casey. I might do a post to post after this. Are you at the game doing it tonight again? I don't know I'm working on that. No, I got a day off so I'm happy I'm in Washington and the, so I get Washington and and Carolina and Carolina tomorrow and Man Fred Fred was standing down there like a tourist last night. Yes. No, I'm nothing to do nothing I didn't like that goal like it was a great goal great shot by protus But like that I don't know that's a stoppable fun going to turn it. No, I didn't you know You got your golf clubs ready?

I can give you guys a number. You can go play congressional if you want. I always have my shoes and three balls and a glove just in case. Okay, there you go. So if we're back here again, I'm gonna call you up for it. I don't know if that's gonna fly a congressional,

but I can put in a good word for it, yeah. He just dropped off in an Uber with a sleeve of balls and a pair of golf shoes. I can't bring my clubs, man. If I check a bag, it's going to be the first time this playoffs. No chance. No. If you saw my jacket last night, I hope you like it because you'll see it again tomorrow.

It's your lucky jacket. Standing in the corner right now by itself. I don't hang anything up, don't have to anymore. Okay well enjoy yourself down there we'll catch you tomorrow night and thanks for doing this we appreciate it. Awesome I'll check in for the whatever you're calling it post to crossbar to post or whatever the hell you're gonna get. No noodles does post to post. That's the noodles one. I'll come up with something else. Something with pulled in it. Something with goalies pulled, something. Pulled your groin, check your shorts. Yeah.

Yeah. There it is with Brian Hayes on SportsCenter post game tonight. Awesome. Look forward to it. Thanks, Ray. Awesome guys, great to chat. See ya.

There's Ray Ferraro joining us here on the Maple Toyota Hotline. Drive the built in Canada fuel efficient, fun to drive Toyota RAV4, gas or hybrid models available. Visit mapletoyota.com. That'll be your segment on Jay's show and they will have like, pull your growing shirt. Pull your growing check, your shorts.

With Brian Hayes. Goaltending analysis then. What if they have like, they go to the chart and just say, and you've got like a laser and go, well, right now his underpants were right here. I like that plan. Third row right side. Or you just do the Bell 5G camera,

the guy pulls his coin and then the camera goes right in behind. Oh yeah, like the 360, like the whole thing, man. There's a lot of production options here. Oh, that would be hilarious. All right, we're gonna elevate our game, man. We're into the second round. We get better with time, better every single game, every single

round gets bigger and bigger and bigger. All right. Game two tonight panel tonight, right? We get the Jetson action tonight. So we'll continue. We get Dreggs coming up in about a half an hour. Mark Masters from the rink, a little mini Jerry's as well. Later this hour overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on the TSN app. All right. Don't forget that TSN 1050 is giving away tickets to every Maple Leaf playoff home game and all you have to do is listen to us on the iHeartRadio app for your chance to win them. To enter, download the iHeartRadio app, create an account, listen to TSN 1050 for at least 15 minutes straight and you can enter twice per day. So listen to first up in Overdrive in the more times you listen the better your chances of winning first up handed out uh...

her takes this morning and we know we're going to at least a game five this series so there will be a home game tonight at least one more home game next wednesday uh... we got least panthers tonight i got some many jerry's in the bank right jersey business finalized got a lot of different things going on let's do it alright so I figured I'd fire these out okay and people are sending in new nicknames for my is there a goal

running segment any good ones Kyle just tweeted in saying how about crumbling in the crease with Brian Hayes I like that it's always negative that's the point yeah is there is there somebody else up positively I love hellebuck I've made this very clear. Yeah, you had my vote to the halfway Yeah at the end if I was right voted our ass at it very very clearly. I have been Pumping his tires all year. It's fair. You've been a guy gets pulled three times on the road What do you want me to do? I don't think I'm being unreasonable All we do is talk about what's in front of us regardless. They play the games man. They play the games Nothing more I can do right. I'm just an honest guy. Yeah. All right

Here we go many Jerry's at least one of these second round series in the Stanley Cup playoffs will end in five games or less One of them five or less I'm low on this because I look at the opponents and how good these eight teams are I just I just don't see it that way I think you know I always thought that this Leaf series was gonna go six or seven I could see Carolina Washington you know go Washington was out to lunch last night I'm gonna give them a one-off there yep Dallas Winnipeg unless we responds that's the thing doubt if Winnipeg. I think Vegas responds. That's the thing. If Winnipeg's so injured. Yeah, the only thing is, is Winnipeg, if Shifely's not available and Morrissey's not available, you know, for a good part of this series and Hellebuck plays the way he

did in series one. That's trouble. That's thinner. Very trouble. And I think Vegas has a response. I think that series goes. That feels or seven now, so I I'm low on this but so am I I've been wrong on every No, I know but not asking for a sweep five or five or less. I'm 18 percent. Okay, I was gonna go you're actually lower than that because maybe I'm 11 percent Yeah, I was gonna say I'll say 10 I'll go I'll go listen it's obviously we know anything is possible I don't think Winnipeg is is going down in five or less like I picked Dallas to win the cup at the start of the year I guess I picked them coming into the playoffs I'm gonna stick with that I got dice in the last round but now that

they're getting healthy I like the way they're built I am concerned about Morrissey I'm concerned about Shifeley although they could play tonight right you know we're joking about Hellebuck but there is seriousness there like he's got to perform he's got a play yeah but I think the Jets you know even with those question marks there are they're such a good team they're a resilient team I don't see them going down without a big big fight and so yeah I'm pretty low on that too I just and I think that sets up well if you're a

hockey fan yeah that's what you want game sixes and sevens and deep series and I think Leaf fans are bracing for that I mean as we look at this market like a great start you're up one nothing but Florida's not gonna go down without a fight that's the thing. Like you're gonna look, now even if the Leafs get up to nothing, I still think it'll be a lengthy series. It just, you know, you expect responses, you expect adjustments,

all of the types of things all day above. I think Vegas will have a response. I think, you know, tonight, I'm fascinated to see what happens with the Dallas Winnipeg, just two teams coming off such highs yes Like what do we miracle wins? Yes such highs. Yeah, both of those teams were down by two two goals Yeah in the third period winnipeg with two minutes left

To win and then to go into overtime crazy And ranting in like what does he follow it up with does he go? I think he keeps chugging I think he keeps chugging like I think if you're in Winnipeg, it's an interesting question. Like who is the guy you circle? Because when he was in Colorado, he has been such a beast in the playoffs He always has like his numbers are phenomenal in the playoffs. He's a big game player yet. It was McKinnon and McCarr That were one and two on that list. You looked at Ranton in third. I think you look at Ranton in first now in Dallas. Yeah. Now I think Rupe Hintz is very underrated player. Really good player. Wyatt

Johnston's a big playoff performer man. The guy puts up points. Like a lot of points early in his career. He's a young guy. I used to know when he plays Harley but I think Ranton is kind of the top dog like if i'm in planning against dallas especially consider the guest at eight points in his last five period i mean depending on health or robertson they they're all unique players they just have tremendous depth but that's that's the biggest thing is

you know white johnston is this guy's 22 years old. He scored two game seven goals, like the game winning goals. Yeah. Yeah. He's still on an entry level deal. I believe so. I believe so.

I'll double check. Like that. And like Thomas Harley's not making a ton of money and yeah, it's, it's, it's crazy, man. They're a really, really good defenseman. Their best defenseman's not back yet. Paskin. Yes. And I don't think he's gonna play

game one. It doesn't sound like based on what DeBoer has been saying. But I mean you know maybe they're trying to sell but it he's come back early and it sounds like he kept saying in the second round. So okay. Like I just I'm just checking Wyatt Johnston is nope 8.4 next year next year kicks in next year kicks in 8.4 8.3 years at 8.4 okay so that's a bridge deal that's a pretty that's a pretty big one well it's a hefty bridge that's a hefty but he's a really good player exactly and his first couple years again in the playoffs in big moments he's put up numbers yeah all right many Jerry's let me I got a phrase this properly

because I wrote it out or Jerry wrote it Excuse me. Send me an email, but he's a little bit off base the Edmonton Oilers He has a written the ever Edmonton Oilers should now be considered the favorites to win the West that's more of a confirmed Denial, but I guess we can do that on the fly Forget many Jerry. Let's do a quick confirmed deny on the fly here The Oilers should now be considered the favorites to get to the Cup final in the West. Five in a row and they're up one nothing in the series. I know but listen it's they played really

well and they deserve a lot of credit. Absolutely. Deserve a lot of credit and as O said at the start of the show, those two just get to another level and it's it's crazy but Vegas is a hell of a team Dallas is a hell of a team and Winnipeg is resilient as hell so I was asked this today who do you think is gonna win and I said honest to God I could make a case for all eight teams yes just you know laying it out you can make a case for all eight teams. Yes Just you know laying it out You can make a case and go this this could come together You know Carolina has got tremendous structure if they get goaltending, you know, Washington, you know the OV story They've been top of the league same thing with Winnipeg Edmonton

You know Vegas has been there the Leafs have been great. Like I just I can't tell you like right now I'm not ready to commit that, just because I've seen Edmonton on the other side. Yeah. So. I think Dallas deserve, I will deny it because I still think Dallas, I think Dallas, them getting through that round, them getting healthy,

because they're going up against Winnipeg and Winnipeg has these health issues that are concerning right now. Now they may overcome those or they may not be an issue. Like maybe Shifely plays and Morrissey's back and it's all good. I think Vegas is still a very formidable foe. Like I think Edmonton's in one there. I think they deserve to leapfrog Vegas maybe as a favorite in that series because they're

up 1-0. Well and the way they've played, but you're right. I'm going to see the adjustments. I'm trying to reserve judgment for all of that just to go, okay, what do we see? I want to see what, when I, honest to God, because the craziest storyline out of all of this is if Hellebuck gets into Vezna slash Hart form in the playoffs. Absolutely. And Winnipeg goes on a run.

Which is what we have seen from a lot of goals in the past We saw from Kerry price in 21 We've seen it we saw from Bob the last couple years Vasilevsky for a couple years It just you have the best goalie and he's on fire man. It is a cheat code. So I'm I'm gonna say Edmonton. I'll save 40% they're doing well, but I need this. Okay. Yeah, I would I'll say 40%. They're doing well, but I need to see. Yeah, I'll say 39% because again, I do lean Dallas. Maybe we'll go a little bit lower than that, 30%.

But I lean Dallas as the favorite right now in the West. And I think Edmonton and Vegas, it's one game. I mean, it's one game in the series. All right, many Jerrys here. Let's continue. What else do we have? All right, this is a Blue J one. and this is concerning with where the J's are right now. Many Jerry's, the J's are still going to finish the season above

500. Again, it's so early and I know that sounds negative, but I remember doing this around this time last year and we're all like, I don't think so. There are three games under 500 right now. I'm high on this. You think they finished with 82 wins? I don't see it, man. I just don't see it happening. I will play that else brother. I don't like the way things are going here, man. I don't like the way things look. But we're in a vacuum right now. All of a sudden Vladdy wakes up and you know. The thing is they're pitching is, you know, they're grabbing guys off the scrap heap. They're, you have no, Bowden no, I don't know what he's going to be.

I don't know when Schurz is going to pitch. And again, I'm very, I hated what I saw with Hoffman being forced in and Garcia got lit up too. Those guys have racked up so many innings already. And I get why, because they pitch so well, but that's taxing on the bullpen. So if your bullpen becomes an issue and goes on fumes, the starters you're not convinced of in the offense, I just, they got a minus 38 run differential. They've played, they've played 35 games.

Yeah. Like minus 38 run differential. I know, I just, I'm trying to be positive here. I know, I would love to be too. would love to be to I'm gonna say I'm gonna say thirty five percent which actually is probably more than they deserve considering the what happened last year the way they played this year the fact that they're already under five hundred

yes the division isn't great the american league in general is not spectacular but I'm sorry the J's have got to show me way more for me to believe they can get to eighty 82 plus wins. Which is sad that we're saying... I understand, but it's a reality. Last year they won, what did they win, 76 games? There was a time not long ago on this show, Steve Phillips would come on and you're going,

we'd have ESPN insiders come on and the Jays are the team to beat. The Jays... They have to beat, they mash, the offense is there. was it was 91 wins. Yes. It was 90 wins. It was 90. They're playing Seattle and you know you're in the playoffs and then it was 8-1 and then and then it all hell broke loose. Like it I don't know what has happened from that group but it's it's I still want to be positive enough to go if they can get the bats going and the pitching just stabilizes it's only three games okay right I mean it's not 51% okay just above that is the most the smallest

amount of confidence you can have but I'm I'm at least handing out listen they're not a disaster like there are disasters this Colorado team is an absolute mess Colorado is minus 89 run differential like they're this year's White Sox. Yeah, it's no good like this the White Sox have won 10 games Yeah, anyway, all right. I got more mini Jerry's for you. We'll continue to fire them around. People are sending in different ideas for my new, for my new goaltending second. That is odd. Like Johnny sent in a good one, the dry cleaner crease and fold. Oh, I love that. I really like that. I love that. Johnny, that's awesome. Yeah. I'm getting inside the minds of all these goalies in the NHL noodles. Well, there's only eight of them. Quite something. There's actually more.

There's more than eight. Well, because backups could be playing. Backups are playing, you know, and that's gotta be a Jerry's at some point. How many goalies are we gonna see in the second round? I might have that one lined up for us. We'll get to it. All right, Darren Drager still to come.

Mark Masters from the rink, our best bets as well. Powered by FanDuel, Overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on TSN 4. All right, Darren Drager still to come. Mark Masters from the rink, our best bets as well. Powered by FanDuel, overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on TSN4. All right, Darren Drager coming up. Game two, Leafs Panthers tonight. Game one, Jets, Stars. We had the Panthers win last night, or not the Panthers, Carolina win last night.

And the Oilers win last night. We got a couple of games in the NBA playoffs as well. It's great to, I mean, every night you got something else going on. And and you know Boston and the Knicks tonight where the Knicks are up 1-0 in that series. I have a feeling the Southwicks are gonna respond and same thing with Oklahoma City. Like they've had a great year, they're the one seed in the West, Shay Gilder's Alexander is gonna win the MVP and yet Denver and Jokic and the crew went in there game one and they took it away

from them. So every day there's something going on Steph Curry left the game last night he's injured they're saying he's out for a week that I'm sure that looked like back look like it the way he was kind of reacting to it and he barely played I think he played 12 minutes last night or something and then you got Jimmy Butler there for a reason like Jimmy's yeah Jimmy's capable of carrying a team and that's what Draymond Green was saying afterwards they're gonna need it they're gonna need it because yeah without Steph you're gonna need it and Minnesota is gonna have a response that's the beauty of the playoffs we keep talking about with the

you know the NHL side of things no different than the NBA you got to adjust you get your back up against the wall they're all great series you know what I want tonight is I want the refs to not be a factor mm-hmm I don't think I wonder how they respond though after game one with all the volatility I wonder if the league has told them hey make sure you're calling stuff so that it doesn't get carried away but it just I think usually this is in my experience now this is the playoffs when it when a game is being built up as like you watch for this and watch nothing happens right

right it might be the next game or the following game or next year or whatever but i just think the refs the refs have done a pretty good job here for the most part throughout the playoffs of not being the story want to continue with that let them play, let them sort it out, Stay out of the way and let them go play. Yeah. Final hour coming up. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050N on the TSN app. Nostalgic. Unmistakably Canadian.

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