OverDrive - OverDrive - November 10, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Patriots' winning stretch of the season, the Bills' defeat to the Dolphins and Mike McDaniel's winning in style, the Maple Leafs' rough back-to-back performances against the Hurricanes and Bruins and the problems with the goaltending and defense. The guys discuss the Avalanche's domination against the Oilers, Nathan MacKinnon's matchup with Connor McDavid and the Oilers' goaltending issues in the spotlight.

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Wow, something fell right on my lap, Hasey B, and I'm so stupid for searching for so many years. I was like a desperate boyfriend searching online for something that wasn't there and it was right in front of me the whole time. As you know, when Tom Brady was a New England Patriot, I was a New England Patriots fan. And after all of the years that he left, I was like, do I got to find a new team? didn't know what to do I was in limbo where the whole time my heart was in

New England I just did no no no no no so it's not Cincinnati anymore it's not Tampa no it's not those were the years where I was just a you were rebelling

I was a mess I was a mess I was a mess because I didn't know what I was doing and I I dabbled in Sincy I went other places I ventured around, but the whole time I thought to myself, being a fan is sticking through the good times and the bad. Well, I'm so glad. I'm happy for you.

But you didn't. That I know you are. Exactly. No, I didn't leave. So the last three years, you were a big Gerard Mayo guy last year. You loved tuning in on the Gerard Mayo season of him coaching. He was done. You were done with New England until all of a sudden they are good this year.

I was disgusted when you called Gerard Mayo an ass clown last year because he made fun of his team because he said something like when they step across the paint, it's their response. Not my problem anymore. You called him an ass clown for that comment, and that offended me. But I kept everything bottled up internally. And then my guy, Frable came back, and it came to me this morning when it was like 8 and 2. I'm like, that's my team.

That is my team. What a time for an awakening. Wow. That is very fitting. If they were two and eight, no comments, no nothing, that's it. Somebody pulled me aside and said, if you're going to support an NFL team, it's got to be thick and thin. I disappeared a tiny bit in the down years, but I just realized you got to be a fan, a real fan. And I'm sticking with New England, man.

I'm a New England fan. That's resilience, man. That's a real testament to your resilience. to get through it when now they're 8 and 2 and the bills are getting pumped by the dolphins and they look like a disaster and their turkey coaches driving by the elbow room and is souped up Mercedes or whatever the hell car he's driving with his glasses that couldn't have been real was that a real noodle man by all accounts mike mcdaniel went by the elbow room which i guess has been a noted bills you know traveling party destination

exactly and he went by and trolled them which i actually kind of appreciate you might as well go out with a bang like he knows he's done that's the biggest win he's going to have all year they beat up on the bills at home good for them and there he is driving by the elbow room like arm out the window loving life and that kind of ends the whole idea that coaches are living at the stadium doesn't it like i know that was a one o'clock game but it was still bright out there on the East Coast. Dude, every other coach is like, I didn't leave the building until... Midnight, 1-2 a.m.

That guy disappeared before the players got out of there. Yeah, 7.30, he's driving by there. Like honking the horn. Latest. Latest. Go on by the elbow room. I'll tell you one thing I heard from some colleagues last night. I heard a bunch of different things from some high-ranking executives from TSN, because

we were down at the building last night. And all of what I call the upper brass was hanging. around. One comment was the bills need to fire their coach ASAP, which I found shocking, shocking, and he was dead serious. This gentleman said, that's it, that's enough.

And I said, well, there might be some merit to that. And the other thing I'll say before we go to break, and I'll just tease it so we can get into it at 4.30, because it is a doozy. Okay. A doozy hockey related. All right, you have a hockey-related comment that you're

to mention later that we'll get into after the next break. Okay, I like that idea. A double tease, a double tease. It's a double tease and a potential quiz question. Okay. Do you think that you think McDermott's in trouble there right now? Of course not. The bills are, listen, they're not playing great.

They don't look great. They've won the AFC East, what, four or five years in a row. They make it to the playoffs every single year. He's not getting fired in November when they have a winning record and they're still, you know, well in the playoff fund. So McDermott's not going anywhere. Brandon Bean's not going anywhere, but they're pissed in Buffalo, man. Well, they should be, but only Dable gets fired.

Like, Dable deserved to be, but it was probably should have been a while. Not, but it should have been weeks ago. That's the bigger question. I'm so glad I don't have to see Dable behind the scenes talking to young college quarterbacks acting like he's so smart and the greatest coach. Wasn't there a, there was some kind of controversy when Dable got hired. I think that Bill Belichick text Brian Flores to congratulate him on getting the Bill's job, and he meant to text Brian Dable.

Yes, you're right. There was something like that, and that's what led to Flores suing the league or something like that. I remember the details on that. Belichick definitely did screw something up. He sent a text to the wrong person, and it wasn't supposed to be announced yet, or someone had not interviewed yet. They were supposed to interview. But I do wonder if the dable medical tent stunt was basically the end.

And they said, well, give me like two more weeks. I guarantee you those doctors went to ownership and said, never again will that bald guy come and hassle me in that tent. Because that was insanity. I forgot about that. He was in there screaming and yelling. One of the craziest stories of the year, noodle. I know.

That's their future right there. That's their future right there. Yeah. Look at this, Kat. What are you doing? Look at Davel, taking his headset off. What's going on? Let's go.

We need it. And after the game, he was claiming, I just needed to know if I could take the time out. Right. As if that's the job of the doctor to determine time out philosophy. You know, it's just an absurd interaction. That was the end, man. That was the beginning of the end for Brian Daebel. So he has been fired by the judge.

Giants, and Luke is coming up. You might have to fire Luke at 5 o'clock, or someone's getting fired today. Where are we at? I'll resign. It's a disaster. I'll resign. I'm on the text chain. I'm on the text chain, and it's just like, you know, I emoji, here we go again.

And then you guys had one win yesterday, and it's like, here we go, here we go. And then Al's brother with a dagger. We don't lose. Al's brother and I do not miss. We went three for three this week, and that's the problem. The pace car is a, is a. jacked up Ferrari and these guys are we're driving Al's brothers Honda Pony you're on yeah we stole Al's brothers Hyundai Pony and we're driving that behind you guys yes are in a

Ferrari and we're driving a souped up McLaren yes and no chance in Abu Dhabi you guys are driving a souped up McLaren in Abu Dhabi yeah and we're chugging along behind in a red rusted out Hyundai Pony that's right yes that's accurate um so we'll see we'll get to luke a little bit later david schneider coming up today can't wait to catch up with him just after five and um listen there's a lot to get into today something to chew on features the bills it also features the oilers and it also features the leaves so i think you can kind of connect the dots on where that's going and we'll get to that a little bit later this hour but man these leaves you were down there last night the hall

of famers were in the house it was a great night great production what a class they're all going in tonight just an incredible class of hall of famers going in and um it's always an electric weekend you have a home you have back-to-back home games on a weekend that rarely happens yeah in the league very rarely do you get a saturday sunday sunday prime time where all eyes are on you Saturday night original six hockey night Sunday it's hall of fame game under the lights like you can't really No other team in the league can match it. No other team in the league has anything close to that, like what the Leafs had, because the Hall of Fame is obviously in town,

and it's always hosted by the Leafs every single year. So the whole league is in town. That's another thing. I'm sure you can speak to it. Oh, you are there. Everyone's here. Everyone's here. All the Hall of Famers are here, owners, GMs,

all the dignitaries around the sport, for the most part, are in town, and they're down at the game. and if you didn't watch either game you'd say oh those are close coin flip you know the least must have had a chance like they were right there too bad they didn't get to overtime in either game yeah but if you watched both like the three of us did they should have lost 15 3 over the weekend dude that might be liberal that that might actually being you know i might be i being nice to them like they got destroyed in both games I got a back game last night.

Whose Matt Causes producer? Pardon my ignorance, I don't know. Owen, our boy, 6'10. Yeah, Owen said, sorry, the score was 5'4. That's a damn lie. He literally said that was a damn lie last night. Yeah, he's right. He's right.

It was a great comment because I heard it just before we started. And you just mentioned everybody being down there. And I wasn't the greatest player in the world. But, man, when you're on the bench and you see all the Hall of Famers come out, And the guy's getting inducted, the guys and girls, it's just like you're like, I want to have a good game because you just said it, Hayes, everybody's watching. It's like the hockey world feels like it's in this building right now, from TSN to Hall of Famers to just everybody.

And it was like, Dregs doesn't say a lot about, like, structural play or team play, and he just is like, I can't believe, like, look at all the breakaways. Couldn't believe the breakaways. How many was there last night? Four or five breakaways? Four in the second period. Am I wrong on that? No, I was calling the game.

We were watching. I'm not lying. I was calling a game, and I have it on my phone right beside me. And I'm just, you know, you check in or whatever. I swear to God, every time I looked down, there was a breakway. I kept thinking that was a replay. I kept thinking that was a replay, and then I would go back, and I was like, that's not a replay. And then, you know, you're watching.

I went back and watched that. They gave up, I sent it to Olas, and I should have sent it to you, but they gave up 28 high danger chances yesterday. 28 to 12 Like that was And you know Greg Barubi is not wrong Where he's saying I want guys to check somebody

Like you know That's where it starts Is checking That was there was giveaway After giveaway Like that last The game winning goal That McCabe has it on his stick

Crazy Literally On a stick That's what's more staggering to me Is like you look at the defense And that's the That's what's on the spotlight right now Deservably so

I mean their offense They're scoring goals Like they're scoring goals More than enough to win. Yeah, more than enough. And I thought their power play was humming last night, and for the most part over the weekend, like Willie scores every night.

Austin's up to eight or nine. They're getting some depth scoring. Like, scoring is not an issue. Goaltending is not what it needs to be. Not last night, but Stolars hasn't been great. Like, he got pulled again ever since, you know, he called out his team. He has, he struggled this year.

And Wall hasn't played yet. So, you know, there's a crossroads with the goaltending. Could it get better? yes could it stay the same or get worse yes that's possible too i don't know what to expect when joseph wall returns i'm not convinced he just steps in well it better be good brian because it stole ours is chew toy he can't go without it right well i understand that they both they need each other clearly and uh again i thought he'll be was was fine they were lucky he was he was he played as well as he did some good saves and he got a few bounces like they hit how many posts on the break with two

two posts absolutely ross bar like he he he he did i thought he was open Okay. But he's not the story. It doesn't even matter how he played. Exactly. The issue is the defense. It's very clear. And yes, the forwards have to help because the back pressure isn't there. Their neutral zone's a joke. They get hit with stretch passes as if they've never seen one before. Like that's what's kind of wild. The stretch pass, every team in the league is saying just make these guys skate a little bit and they will not be able to keep up. And their plays with the puck is staggering. Puck play, we'll call it.

Puck play, the defense in particular, like the McCabe turnover is so inexcusable. It's bizarre a world. There was two plays last night in the third, which was crazy because it was a one-goal game. They got out shot 22 to 2. Brandon Carlo at one point, I wish I isolated this and sent it to Joe. He had a 10-foot pass, the most routine pass in the National Hockey League. 10 feet, he's right-handed. Nyes was coming over the blue line left-handed.

That's a right-handed shot to a left-handed forward. It says routine. He hit him in the skate. I couldn't believe it. I was watching. I had to pause and go back. I go, how did he do that? No one was around him.

He hit him in the skate, a 10-foot pass. Later in that period, Philippe Myers did one of the, uh-oh, lookout, whack-a-mole shots up the boards that was crazy. I'm sure you know which one I'm referencing. and I could go on and on and on. I'm not only isolating those two guys. They're all terrible with the puck right now.

And it's just breakdown after breakdown after breakdown. And Tree Living committed to big in veteran, but instead it looks slow and old. You know, like there's a difference. Like I get why he committed to these guys. I get it because you need size in the National Hockey League to win in the playoffs. You need it. You got to have to have.

some size, but they're not tough, they're not physical, and they just, they play slow and they play sloppy. Yeah. And it's crazy. Like, this question was staggering, how awful it was. Really was. Like really, really bad stuff. But the question you have to ask yourself, Brian, is these were the sale, for the most, it is the same

group. The same six guys came back, the exact same six. That you watched in the playoffs and you're like, man, that decor, because in years past, it was the skill defenseman, the team. T.J. Brodies, and whoever else they had back there that was not very good. For the most part, it was skill, and they get

crushed in the playoffs. Lilligrins is a good example of that. Lilligr would make a pass, but he'd get hammered or whatever, yes. Matt Hollowell, whatever it was. Right. But last year, you're like, that D.Core, that's an NHL

playoff defense corps, and they held their own, and I thought they had a hell of a series against the Florida Panthers. I really did. For the most part. And we're not, we never, Not the conversations of, we don't have, there's not one D we can trust out there to make a pass. And then all of a sudden this year, it's all blowing up in smoke, and I can't figure out why and what the hell has happened to it. Chris Tanev, and you can't say they've got to get TANF back, because when he was back, and I don't know if you two agree with me, he was not at his best.

I don't think he was playing particularly well when he was in the lineup this year. No, but you're 100% right, oh, I'm not going to argue with that. I just, I think the group has more. They just, they hadn't forgotten how to play hockey. They're not playing well. I'm just saying, as a defensive group, they're not playing well. They can play better. Oliver Ekman-Larsen is a really good player who has a good vision.

He hasn't been to the top of his game. Morgan Riley started, the first four or five games started on fire. Morgan Riley, when he's in shape and looking good and skating, he's a good defenseman. I think individually, these guys, you can pull apart, pull them aside and say, McCabe, you can play better. Carlos got better. Brian, I don't think he handles the puck well, but I think he's supposed to be a guy who stops the cycle, who's blocked shots, who's heavy, and just make a 10-foot pass.

Every NHL defenseman should be able to do that. I think they're not playing to their capability, but the question comes back to what is their capability. Even when they're at their best, is that good enough for what they believe the group? is to get to the next level. That's where I think you're going. Go ahead. I'm just kind of laying it out there for debate. Well, if they've got better, the question would have been posed to them after the second

game of the year. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like if somebody would have gone to them and said, what is going on here? Because the discussion since the last training camp game was the defense and everybody is getting back there at a slow rate of speed and it's causing problems for everybody because they're spending so much time on their end. We've had this discussion since that last kind of.

at home game where it was a full squad and we're like, man, getting back there to get the puck looks like it's a challenge. And that theme has been carried out ever since then. So when did they first have that conversation with a coach or the defense coach where somebody brought it to their attention where it was like you, basically all of them, you individually have to bring better. That conversation probably happened a long time ago and it hasn't happened. It's actually getting worse.

So what the hell are you going to do? Well, and that's the thing. Like everyone in the league, five, ten games in are going to say there's room for improvement. Everyone's going to say that. The best team in the league, the worst team of the league. The reality of sports and life is only the actually good teams do improve. Bad teams don't improve. They're bad teams, right?

You can't just magically say, well, we're going to improve. The best teams in sport, whether it's hockey, football, basketball, baseball, they improve over the course of the season. That's the crossroads the least are at right now. I agree with you, Noodles, that I don't think collectively they all took some poison pill and forgot how to play. Yeah. You know, like I can accept one or two guys. And yes, it all permeates because in a way, especially with defense parings,

you're anchored to who you're playing with. You know, and if that guy's in a dark place, you're probably going to get sucked into a dark place to an extent. But as of now, you know, the six that are playing, Tano's not a part of. of this. Like, none of them have any confidence. Like, that McKay play, that's a confidence play. That's a buckle job.

Like, that's, I don't know if he thought he was under pressure. I don't know if he was going to commit to a play and then try to stop it. There's a sanity in a tie game to even attempt that. Well, Lorenz did it the night before. And then he got healthy scratched. And that's the question here with Barubei is, what are you going to do? Like, because afterwards, he looks perplexed. Like, he's got a Randy Carlisle vibe right now, where he's, you know,

They can run and gun and they can score, but they give up a million shots, a million chances. And he just, after the game, he said, well, we'll just keep working on it. What are you working on? And how do you get it there? And Lorenz is an easy guy to say you're coming out. Now, why he was on the ice with three minutes to go is beyond me if he can be healthy scraps the next night. I have no idea why he was even on the ice. But he was, fine, you take Lawrence out.

What are they going to do with the defense? I don't know. But the coach can scream and yell about, you know, checking and committing to being on the right side of the puck and getting above the puck. I don't care who you are. Like, E-Carbon-O and his prime, you can't do anything with that play right there if you're throwing pizzas like that. You can't. No question. And that was the case all night, man.

Yeah, and maybe the coach has just got to come up with something to say because it's just, it looks so bad. But there's no on top of the puck or checking you can do, you know, somebody could maybe bust their ass to get back. but that is a pizza when you've got your D partner or anything is available other than that play. Yeah. And Lorenz the same thing with the Mitten Goal. Like you just can't make that play. You can't, I don't know what he was trying to do. I guess go cross ice or if it was a touch pass.

That's the thing. If you break down the goals and see a bunch of the decision making, like it's just dumb, dumb plays. It's like backhand sauce to there. It's like a silly little play here. And it's like you can't, you just can't, I don't know. You can't do it. It's just a crazy, yeah, and that's where I guess the glass half full, which I was a lot last week, glass half full guy, and I will apply it here, because this is not the end of the season. It's November 10th, and they've got a lot of games left, is if you're Baruba and company, you should be able to look at these plays and say, guys, like, obviously you're all veterans in the league.

You know you can't do that. And I think they got to get the neutral zone figured out. like noodles you you can maybe speak to it better than i can't but that you can't it cannot be a mario cart fast track lane through the neutral zone no like especially when you're a veteran big team that's not that fast you better plug up the that's where the the checking does come into play yes one of the uh stan coven goals last night he was on the wall and i'm going to show i'm going to detail it on the pregame show tomorrow william nisville lander approaches him on the wall and just, you know, breeze on the guy and blows past them or doesn't

do anything. Yeah. And then at the end of the ice, you see Stankhoven get the puck and shoot it in the net and guess who skates by him. Yeah. William Nylander. It is. So, Brian, you're right. Like, we've focused on the D and the D have struggled to move the puck up, you know, speed.

They're under pressure a lot and they're getting hit. Their faces are in the, in the glass. The neutral zone, a lot of that is forward. You need back pressure and able to hold your gap and hold the line. And if you have guys that are half-assin coming back, not details on pox, not heavy with a sticks, you know, sticks in the air, we're going to have the same conversation with Edmonton. But it's just the same thing. Like you're looking at the details of the game are not very sharp. So you can see the coach, I'm talking Barubi, but I'll throw in knob.

You can see the coach going, these are details that the NHL players should have these details. You shouldn't have to reinforce them when you're a 5, 10-year vet, coming back with your stick on the ice through the middle, checking through the hands, helping out, moving your feet instead of standing and watching. There's too many times I've seen it, and I went back and watched the Leaf game. You're right. The neutral zone, they're coming a million miles an hour at these D because there's nobody in their lane. There's nobody disrupting.

They're getting speed. They're able to build speed out of their own zone through the neutral zone, and now they're hitting this D at full speed, and they're having to turn and try and swipe at stuff. So, yes, the D have to be better, but I also believe the forwards are culpable too. A lot of times, and the best coaches always say, defense can start in the offensive zone.

Like, that's the thing, too. If you're forechecking, a great forecheck leads to chance. This is just laziness coming back through the middle of the ice. You're not moving. You're just standing there watching. And, you know, I could, oh, and I could break all of these plays down and go, hey, this guy missed an assignment, missed assignment. But there has to be some consistency.

And we're seeing it now, and I know I'm ranting a little bit, but the parody in the league, the consistency, the one thing I've noticed here in the first, whatever it is, five weeks, fast teams are having success. young skill fast teams are having success because they're going like they're just the hell with it we're moving our feet we're going and we're taking it to the net so that's why you're seeing these young teams even Chicago scoring goals and you know

I watch Utah yesterday now Ottawa beat them but Utah has some really good young fast players and their mindset is go like get your feet moving we'll make apologies for mistakes afterwards and you can see the older teams or the more structured teams trying to settle that structure in. It's not working right now.

They're not working fast enough. I always said one of my golden rule is, what did we just do? We just went through some video stuff, breakdowns, missed assignments. And one of my golden rules is there's a guy out there that can cover all that up all the time and sweep it under the rug if he's dialed in, right? And they're not doing it. The goaltending. Well, that was more of a problem Saturday for me.

The Stolars, I thought all four of those goals he should have stopped. And a couple of them were terrible. Bouncing around. Yeah, like the Pashtenac goal was horrendous. I didn't like the geeky goal. It looked like a misdirection or kind of threw them off the way it was, kind of came off a stick. But, yeah, Stolars has got to, you know, I think it was Domi scores, places going nuts. You get the lead, and the next two shots are behind you.

It can't happen. Like, that obviously can't happen. Last night was different, though. Like, Carolina, you know, to put a bow on this, the Leafs are down 5-4 with two minutes to go. They're trying to get control of the puck so they can pull their goalie. They couldn't even get the puck. That was like tough to watch where Carolina's just cycling around

as if they had pulled their goalie and had six four-wards on. Looking for possession. And that's credit to Brindamore because he's like, don't even let them off the hook. Don't go into prevent defense. Don't step back. Don't play conservatively. Just keep going.

Where are these guys down? They're not going to be able to get to. the puck back and that's the issue and you know you got a team here that there's a lot of security on this team there's a lot of guys who they got their deals and they got you know maybe some of them are getting cookies or points or whatever and that's that's what it looks like like it looks like there's an effort issue here and that's what brouba said last night like they're very rarely if ever the hardest working team consistently throughout a game that's that's a real indictment You're not going to battle

You're not going to win It's not going to happen against good teams in the league And the scary part too is there's no Is there anybody out of the line Like there's no TANF is a big blow And I think Wolf will Or Wolfe or Wolves or not Wolfe

Will help but like There's no guys waiting in the wings That's going okay that we're missing This player who's a top six Or who's a top four defenseman Or you know This is the group And they've got to get their act together

And that's really what it is. And it's a long season. They play a lot of hockey, but they didn't have a great weekend. And, you know, what do you follow it up with? I think that's the biggest thing. They've got a busy week here. The problem that I've had, Brian, I've been harping on it for the first five weeks is their schedule's been soft.

Yeah. Carolina was the first real, like, contending team. No kidding, Jamie. What are they going to do with things toughen up here and they get traveling? But they've got to play better. That's the thing. I want to see them play better, and then we can judge as to. But Carolina was a big test.

They played the night before, too. That's the thing. Last night, Carolina, there were no excuses. The Leafs were at home. Carolina just played. Carolina, like Slavin wasn't playing. They're dealing with injuries. Yeah.

Carolina's banged up. You know, they had Bussy in that. The Bussy. The Bussy. The Bussy. They're number three. Not exactly. They had their third string goalie.

But so did the Leafs. The Leafs had their third string, too. I hear you. But the home team, you know, again, that's speaking to. how lucky they are that they scored four goals because, you know, I think if that's a goal that's maybe dialed in, it's not the case.

But again, offense has not been an issue. Guys are healthy for the most part. It just, it was a real eye-opening weekend because Carolina in particular, being out shot 22 to 2 on home ice in a third period of a one-goal game is wild. Like that's a throwback, man. That's something we haven't seen in a long time.

So they've got to end it. They got to stop it. They got to figure this out. They're capable of more. But U.S. Thanksgiving is like a week and a half away, guys. Dude, you don't need to get to Thanksgiving weekend. I'm sorry. No, I know, but that's always the line.

Like, you are who you are. Really? I always get to like 10 days before that. And I'm like, you really want to take a nap. Well, this is who they are, then they're fighting for a playoffs spot at best. I just think that's who they are. If this is who they are, then they might miss the playoffs. Here's the question for you.

Can they do anything for you two in the next 10 days? before U.S. Thanksgiving to change your mind dramatically where you completely change your view on the team. Is it possible? There's a couple things, but it's more... It's a yes or no. Okay, I'll say yes, but it's with an asterisk. Because like I told you, I don't see, there's nobody coming out of the stands going,

you know, hey, we don't have Zach Hyman coming back. We don't have a big, you know, we don't have a top six, a top four defenseman. TANF would be but like I just that's the only thing but I would say yes oh because there's structure there they have to play yes or no

dramatically no the answer is no dramatically no what I will say is Joseph Wall if he comes back and plays well that can be a that can be something the goaltending yes like if Wall looks like he's capable of giving them you know good to very

good goal tending that's huge clearly but you know I think what has come out of the first 15 games or so is there's all this focus on they got to find a right winger they got that's not what they got to find they got to they got to figure out what they're going to do as a team systematically and possibly on defense like you know how many assets but what's a right winger going to do last night nothing what's he going to do against boston nothing nothing it's they they've got there's an area of contention and an area that

has to be a priority and it's very clear to me and that will not i don't see that changing over the next week and a half two weeks all right luke coming up davis schneider coming up you've got another tease for us right you got something else that you want to throw out there that you will do do want me to do it after the break yes let's get to that and we'll get to something to chew on overdrive continues tsn 1050 and on tsn4 overdrive continues powered by fanduel bringing you everything from the opening line of the final Final score, Luke Wilson in about half an hour. Davis Sanchez, or Davis Sanchez, Davis Schneider in about an hour.

I said that twice, I think. Yeah. Like I said it twice. You said it to him one time. You see Davis everywhere, man. You can't miss him. Like, he's CFL, he's NFL, he's NFL, he's everywhere. We love Davis, but you're right.

I think I did that when we interviewed Davis Schneider. You did. Like four or five months ago. Yeah, I think you did it when you brought him in. You were like, here he is, Davis Sanchez. And then you're like, Davis Schneider. Well, it's not Jake DeLome. You're fine with that.

I know. It's just, it's Jake Plummer. It's one of those things you get Davis out. You just lean into what you're familiar with, right? Our guys, you know, again, you can't turn on TSN without seeing Davis. That's true. But Schneider will join us in about an hour. All right.

What did you hear down at Scotia Bank Arena? There was a high-ranking official from TSNM. who occasionally gets involved with forming quiz questions. And one was talking about McKinnon overtaking in the past year Connor McDavid as the game's best player. Why would Steve Dryden say that? He lost McKinnon. I know it's Dryden.

It's 100% Dryden. It's the quiz master. First of all, that's not. the quiz master and that's not the person but he was bandying about the idea trying to formulate a question about that topic has he caught up has he surpassed is it just a bit of a down time for mc david but there was some chatter amongst all the people there hockey people that mckinan with another five points last night maybe he's overtaken as the game's best player at the moment okay all right well listen he was number two on the list but we're not talking about a guy

14th on the list exactly that's come out of nowhere and challenging macdavit so i do i think it's a reasonable debate in terms of the way they're playing right now yes i mean mckenon's been better than macdavit this year that doesn't start absolutely the the issue with it is you know it's it's sample size thing it's you know we're if we're talking about who's going to be better over the next 80 games that they play then I would still go with McDavid I think McDavid has proven that you know throughout his career not that McKinnon

is anything but spectacular but yeah I mean McKinnon that was a statement on Saturday night like that was quite something man I was watching that game Lannes Scott got robbed too it should have been 10 one it should have been even worse

but it just they were all over Edmonton I said to oh like first of all, you can't allow those McCar goals. Those are wrist shots from, you know, like clear-sighted shots. There was some 80s type goaltending. There was

there, and the one thing, like, Evanton was out to lunch every player. Awful, awful, awful. And Colorado deserved all of the accolades that they, they came to play because they thought that was a heavyweight match.

And Evanton stood around and watched them just blow by them. Poor decision. after poor decision after but Colorado deserves a lot of credit they were unbelievable Edmonton stunk and I there was a question I was going to bring it up to you Chris Knoblock had a long pause in his meeting we have it we got to play let's play because this is just this is a wild wild clip all right this is on the goaltending in general I think Stuart Skinner is probably at the forefront here is Chris Knoblock post game Saturday night

The first two goals of the game are two wrist shots, no traffic, both get through your goalie, one off the post, a good shot, one through your goalie, and you said your team sags after that. Is this team losing some belief here when it comes to the goaltending situation? I don't believe so. I think there's been games where our goaltending has been good. The chances and the amount of chances that we've given up has not helped. so I see a lot of bigger issues than our goal attending. You know what that look like, guys, is when a guy comes home from the bar

and the wife asks him, are you drunk? I don't believe so. You know what I mean? He's had like 12, and she goes, are you drunk? I don't believe so. And he, like the paws too, he's like, ooh. yeah that that's but i that was the first time i you're right like it is the question from the wife going like did you did you leave that out last night you did you you know whatever you've

done wrong right that he says he was only going out for a couple and he comes home and he's had 12 and four shots of zambuca and she says you're a pile drive right now aren't you and he goes i i don't believe so In actuality, he is creamed. He's creamed. But the thing is, he's semi-blackout, but he's got it together enough where he can answer. For that line. He has a delay, yeah.

For that line. And he just, I don't believe so. That was, that is the greatest analogy ever. But it's true. Like, that was the first time. He knows he's screamed. Yep. Well, the first time you go...

And he knows they can't stand the goaltending. Well, let's be clear here. They haven't been good enough. They haven't been good enough. No, I know. The reason he's creamed is because he drank because of the goaltending. Yes. And like the goaltending, it's such a weird scenario out there

because those two guys have been there for two cup runs. No kidding. It's the same two guys that are in the Stanley Cup final every single year. Yet there's stats. are generally pretty awful. Yeah, near the bottom. It's crazy, man. They're near the bottom, and that's the thing that I think, it's funny,

we had the leaf chat last, you know, in the before, in 430, and it applies here in Evanton. The only difference is, is there are some players coming back, but I still want to see a finished product, because I just don't think, I think Evanton at some point will make a move. Like, I do believe in that. Whether that's, I don't know what that looks like, but it sounds like as we're starting to reach the American Thanksgiving, you know, was it reported by the insiders that, you know, Doug Armstrong said, open for business here. Some of these teams are going to be open for business here very, very soon.

And it's the same thing with the leaves. The leaves don't have a lot to give. That's what scares me. For these teams. Like making desperate moves, though, noodles? But is it desperate? I don't think it's desperate. It's more like you identify what you need.

That's really what it is. Brian just said about the Toronto Maple Leaf Police, what's a right-winger going to do for them? What's Zach Heim going to do about those wrist shots going in? What's the end mark going to do about those wrist shots going in? 100%. But what Brian's saying is desperate, but at the end of the day,

it's something you identify. You've given a long enough run. Like it's not like you haven't going, okay. We're making a knee-jerk reaction here. After six weeks, this has been, you know, a while here, and I think something, at some point, something has to give. That's the way I look. I guess what I'm saying is you have to have belief that it's going to work and that this is

just a rut that they need a shock to the system. Where with Edmonton, I think it's reasonable to suggest that as bad as they've played, they have, again, this is the third or fourth year in a row. They've just had a terrible start. They haven't played well. They've picked up a lot of wins at home, but that loss on Saturday is probably the worst loss any team is faced all year. You know, like that's a Saturday night, McKinnon rolls in, Avalanche, they get pumped. But they've been to back-to-back cup finals.

You have faith in their big boys showing up when they have to show up. So that is probably a move out of necessity. With the Leafs, if you go out and flip a couple D and bring in a couple of new defensive, defenseman, which I don't even think is possible anymore in the modern NHL. I don't know if it is. What is that going to do, though? Is that, are you doing that to make sure you can get to the playoffs? Are you doing that because you think that launches you into, I have a belief you can win a Stanley Cup?

That's very different. Right. And that's what I'm saying, noodles. Like, desperation, it can be disguised as a move out of necessity when really you're just, you're delaying the inevitable. Like if the Leafs, if you just don't think you're good enough, and this is on tree living to figure out, Amber Rube and I guess Keith Pelley in ownership, like are you a tweak away from launching something new?

Maybe. Maybe they are. Maybe everything comes together and they lock in and all of a sudden their goaltending steps up and boom, they're back where they were even a year ago. Right. But what if you're just patching up something where a year or two from now, you look back and say, man, we just, what did we do that?

for. And you're two years old. Like you have buyers remorse. Like that trade deadline last year is looking more and more like a disaster for the leaves. Like, let's call what it is. Like Lotton and Carlo for two firsts, like Fraser Mitten right now is probably a more

impactful player than Scott Lotton. Like probably is. I watched him on Thursday live. Yes. He was very, very good. And they gave up him and a first for Carlo. That's a crazy. trade in retrospect. Not that

Carlo isn't a good player, big defenseman, cost control. You gave up both of those? Like, Mitten steps right in and he's a player and a first for Carlo? Like, not an impact guy, just a good fourth or fifth defenseman.

And when that happens, you expect him to be a real good. He's got to be a really good player. You gave up your first or second top prospect in a first. It better be a guy that's really, really good. And it just, it hasn't looked that way. And that's what I'm saying, noodles.

If they go back in, they're like, all right, Cowan and another first for these guys. And you're like, what are you doing? Yeah. Like, what is that going to do for you? I think you have the luxury. Luxury is the wrong word because the Atlantic is jammed up from top to bottom. But you have some time here.

I always try to remove myself the emotion from it. And I think managers have to do that. Media and fans don't have to do it. But managers have to do that. and say, don't have a knee-jerk reaction here. To your point, Brian, like go, I've got to do something right now to fix this team. Because the team, if you went down the roster, how many of those guys are playing to their potential?

I would say, Willie has been quite consistent. Yeah, he's put up great numbers. He's been Willie. He's been Willie, exactly, which he's never going to be a defensive dynamo. But he's going to score a million goals and points. He's going to score and do his thing. I think Nise is at a nice start. Tavares has been very consistent.

Austin has been up and down, but Austin is starting to show signs of, you know, getting back to what Austin does. Everybody else, any one of those guys, am I missing somebody, O, that is playing to the, it's Max Domi Scratch the surface. No, I think Nick Robertson's been better than expected. Nick Waugh has been okay. Nick Robertson is like, he's gotten an opportunity and he gets points. But, man, like, a lot of times when there's some breakdowns and you see him doing some goofy. stuff like yeah so really good he'll make a play at the blue line or john tavares and austin matthews

contributing offensively and then there's a bunch of guys like jamie we talked about the other night when we were having our yeah late night pillow talk the world is coming to an end about the canadian teams yeah um like there's there's the guys making plays and then there's just all the other guys just really not getting it done the bunch of players out there pushing the puck around and that's yeah you're noticing that. So what I would like to do is remove myself and go, is there more there? Is, does

Dakota Joshua have more? Can Domi get going? Can McMahon get some consistent? Like, if that's the case, then you stabilize and then play better defensively and the goaltending gets going, then you see if you've got a semblance of a group here. A couple good wins, a couple

poor losses, trying to figure out what this group is. That's really what... And I think that's reasonable, and that should be the case. What I will say, And it's not exclusive to Brad Tree Living. It applies to every manager. When it's your players, it's tough to be objective, right? When you're the one that brought that guy in, you see him a little bit differently.

Sure. Right? Like, he didn't draft Minton. I'm not saying he was flippant with getting rid of him or just, hey, forget him because he's not my guy. But, you know, Carlos is his guy. That was the cost of doing business, unfortunately, right? Well, okay. Yeah.

That sucked, right? like you look back on it, but you're right, Brian. It's not those guys. That's the job, though, to determine, you know, the right moves and wrong. I'm not saying that Carlo Deal is a complete disaster right now. I'm not, it doesn't have to be. I thought he was good last year and stabilized and all that. I'm just saying my point is you're, I'm not disagreeing with your, you have to, you know,

you get to assess it, but every GM's a little bit biased with their own people, right? And wants to believe in the guys that they brought in. So, you know, that challenges things as well. Luke Wilson coming up, Davis Schneider, joining us as well. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on the TSN app. We'll get to something to chew on. Brought to you by Boston Pizza, speaking of which,

we're going to be out in Winnipeg in a few days. Great Cup is set. Man, there's going to be a lot of people from Saskatchewan in town. A lot of Rough Rider fans taking over Winnipeg. What a finish that was. Rough Rider fans, man, and Alouette fans. Yes, and Alouettes, of course. Montreal will be well represented.

I don't dispute that. But, you know, the prairie folk, man. That drive from, you know, Regina to Winnipeg, that's nothing for them. Yeah. Nothing. What is it? Seven hours? They'll be fine.

Oh, they'll be cruising into town. That's going to work commute. Yeah, it's a work commute. Exactly. So they'll be there supporting the cruise, and we'll be out there. And, of course, CFO on TSN will be out there. And we've got the Hall of Fame tonight, the Inductions, Duffy, a be doing his thing this is his night to shine

man he will be crushing it down there like he always does by the way just a little note on that it's about time that james duffy goes in the hall of fame like just saying i would agree with that get duffy in the hall of frame old he's 60 years old doesn't have any gray hair either

he looks phenomenal he's been doing it long enough the guy that puts everyone in the hall of fame he deserves to go in the hall of fame get duffy in the hall of fame fair enough all right hour two coming up overdrive continues ts n1050 on TSN4. You've been listening to Overdrive, powered by Fandul. FanDuel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score.

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