OverDrive - OverDrive - November 17, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Maple Leafs' losing streak, the team's defeats in five consecutive games, the impactful injuries on the roster in Toronto, the team playing without Mitch Marner and William Nylander's cold skid, how the Maple Leafs could turn the corner and if a revamp is in the cards for the organization. They also dive into Saskatchewan's Grey Cup win, the rules of the CFL and the Panthers and Chiefs' dynasty status this season.

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Fanduil, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, Overdrive, off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker up on TSN4, Brian Hase, O'Dug, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennett. What's going on? What's going on? Back in Toronto. There he is, my man, first class, Bernie Lomack. Nudels, I know that you were behind this guy, but this guy put on a clinic in the first class section like I've never seen, okay?

Oh, yeah? First of all, he did, he did Dugie and Kelly Dirty. He was waiting to get on the plane, and then he realized that he had the cheat line. Line one, zone one. He took off so fast and left Dugie and Kelly. in the dust he did not care about them that's not true dude you proceeded to get on the plane i've never seen moves like this in my lifetime puts his luggage above does the top button up on his jacket puts his hands in his pocket with ear pods in and shuts the mill 30 seconds after

sitting down dude the middle of the bird is not even filled up yet and this guy's shutting the mill it's gone yeah he's gone i had sunglasses on too. I think you forgot about that. Just wait a second here. Just as the bird was about to go over Lake Superior, I was feeling nervous, and I'm like, I got to talk to this guy to kind of just take my mind off things, and I'm going to ask him about something stupid like Joseph Wall.

I turn around, and he's got shades on, and he's gone. He is gone, and the shades mean don't ever talk to me again. Shouldn't that be relaxing? I'm sending out the most relaxed vibe you could ever have on a plane. Like, if you're concerned about anything, I'm your spirit animal. I'm the guy you want to point to. I couldn't be more relaxed. The King Daddy Topper is something that really, really shocked me.

I looked out of the corner of my eye, and this guy put out a Sudoko vibe. He pulled a mag out of his jacket and was doing Sudocos. I love this. I told you the magazine guy. I just was like, who is this guy? I had the Time magazine on the AI explosion. I read that on the way to the peg, very informative stuff, what's coming in the world. Oh, yeah, big time.

The pros and cons, I want to be informed. And then when in doubt, Zaduco, all day, all night. My question is, I love it. It's mid-November. Who wears sunglasses? I don't even know. Look that picture up again. It was pitch blackout.

It was the middle. middle of November. Look how bright it is on the bird. People are trying to get on. I'm trying to sleep. Close your eyes. I didn't have to wear those. I don't understand.

People are like, yeah, it's too bright. Close your eyes. That's what you were doing. You were sleeping. Can you see, like, does the light shine through your eyelids? I don't understand. When the feed bag came around, Jamie, this guy thought he was the king of England. He perked up.

He was grabbing candy out of the fast. He was so dialed in when that feed came around. His eyeballs. The glasses came off, and man, was he fun. I was, uh, it was a very luxurious flight. It was great. It was awesome. I can't thank you enough. It was amazing. And listen, the peg was a beautiful, beautiful spot. We had a great time. Flights in and out. We even landed early, which was wild. We were like 20 minutes earlier than usual than we were expected to land. So like everything went off without a hitch. It was just a great,

great scene. Now, you're missing details that you guys are both privy to. I wasn't, feeling well like i was so sick in winnipeg i still don't feel great so i was grinding like when the lights went on i think i did a decent job that's all i was there to do you dude there's no disputing that but in my lifetime i have never seen a guy fall asleep that quickly ever i understand that i told you there was only 12 people on the bird total because i was dewees and us and i look back gone all day miserable you we went for lunch i said three words afterwards i just sat sat there and looked out the window, I was dying to get out of there. I'm not going to lie to you. This is what happens every year. From April 1st to October 31st, I am the healthiest person on

earth. I'm outside, sun, golf, it's the greatest thing ever. November hits. Weather's horrendous. I sit inside for a week. My body goes, screw you, you're done, and I shut down. And that's what happened. And I got hit in the peg. It's unfortunate because we didn't get to really live it up the way I wanted to live it up, but nevertheless, things happen. What are you going to do? I think you get affected by the kids running noses, too, when they come up with those kids. My youngest is not healthy right now. Yeah.

All kids are germ factories right now. It's ridiculous. But anyway, I had a great experience. With all that said, I had a great experience. A little shut down doesn't run anybody. I love the peg, and we're going back, and we are going back. We are. We did make that proclamation.

We did claim that that was our plan. We're also going back on the panel tomorrow, which would be great, right? We made that announcement on Friday. We're going to be there. Oh, you're there all the time, but noodles and I'll be with you tomorrow. Yes. For what feels like a must win in Leafland with the Leafs playing the Blues tomorrow, the Blues may be one of the few teams in the league playing worse than the Leafs right now,

and they might have a management team that's actually more angry with their group than the management group here in Toronto. Hey, I don't even know if we can go to, must win i did must win last time yeah like against boston yeah against the boston bruin's dothie was like what do you think and i'm like this is basically a must win i stole some of your info where they drop points to detroit and they they drop points to buffalo and it was like now boston just after kicking your rear end you got them again what are you going to do about it and they ended up dropping that game and they haven't won since it's kind of getting close to what do you guys want to do

with this season, isn't it? Yes. Oh, I think every leaf fan's asking the same question. Yeah. Do you have it in you to pull this off? Because, like, you're in a, this is as low as it can get. You've played your card. This is as bad as it can get.

You lose five in a row. You've played really poorly. Yes. Your stats are awful. Like, everything across the board, there's no, you couldn't sugarcoat it a week ago, to your point. It's worse now because they keep losing. And the injuries are up the, you know, what?

Exactly. Yeah, and that's, that is what's going to add to it, and that can sink a room. You can speak to it when it's already bad, and guys are like, I can't go. It's like, oh, here we go. Now who's going to play? Because the word today is Nick Waugh's out now, so Nick Waugh can't play tomorrow. Austin Matthews hasn't even skated. Like, I thought it was day to day.

I thought, you know, then he goes on IR and now he hasn't skated. Stolar, so I never see him around. I thought he was going to play last Thursday. And the guy's just not around. He's not playing. and, you know, obviously we know TANF, we know Lottin's not close. So, like, and now Brandon Carlos is on the IR. Like, these are big-time players who are not available to them.

And there was even, I saw a tweet where I don't know who sent it, but I think I read something like this, is it worth like saving the season with some player transaction with the guys that they have? Like, is it worth trying to figure out some kind of trade? Is there even a trade? I don't think there is. I don't think there is a trade. I don't think there's.

Unless, no, I don't think there is. I don't. The only trade you can make is we're talking major players for major players. Yes. Like I think people look at this as, well, you trade futures for some depth or maybe debt players for debt players. Yeah. That doesn't change who you are.

That is not going to do squat. Teams will be calling and saying, if you want to talk about Matthew Nyes, then we might continue this conversation. But I love how everybody thinks that. all these guys that are basically the same guys, the 15 to 20 point guys, if that, are all, not even, 10 to 15 point guys are going to be somehow wanted by other teams. Brong, they're hanging up the phone. What are they going to take eight of them?

No, exactly. Like, if you were going to trade Yarncrook, you would have done it in July. If you're going to trade, what, Stephen Lawrence, you're not getting anything. No. Like, there's nothing coming back. Even you see names like Max Domey out there. Max is not getting you anything in return. It's changing your team or your season.

Like the way he's playing right now, he's a net negative on the ice. He's on the ice for a goal every single night, basically. You know, it just, that's the problem. You look at their team. You look at their lineup. It's given flashbacks. I said it last week. It's a weird kind of deja vu that leave fans are having.

They have not had it in a long time, a long time. but it's a deja vu that's very uncomfortable. You're looking at the lineup every day and saying, man, I don't like that. Like, that does not look good because you've got to play Mirmus. You've got, you know, they're picking up Troy Stetcher off waivers. Sure, give a shot. The roster looks like the roster when they had Bozac Phil and JVR in the top line.

And then it was basically tanking. And it was Parenthood and our buddy Peter Holland. We love you, Pete, but it was just that's, that's what. the lineup was man that's exactly what it is you know it's it's philip myers it's it's dakota mermis it's uh hey step you know be uh simone benoit like those are three of your six defensemen playing on the road like that's a field and need for stature is the scariest proposition yes exactly and and it is worth a flyer on him he's a he's a battler he's got a chip on a shoulder you can move a puck give him a shot i get no problem with that but it's really not that deep yes the injuries

And they will cite injury issues, and they'll cite depth because of that. And I understand that. And there's some validity to it. The goal-tending shuffle, wall wasn't here to start. Now stole arces out. You know, that's valid. You can't take that away from them. But, you know, even when these guys were healthy, they weren't playing well.

And there's certain guys on this team that are being asked to do so much that it's uncomfortable for them. You know, like Jake McCabe's basically being asked to be the number one defenseman. they're close to it, and I don't think he's capable of doing it. I don't even think he's playing like a sixth defense. No, he's not. But the point is you can't look at Philip Myers or Benoit or, you know, Stetcher. Like, they're not going to do it. So you've got to play Jake McCabe when he's playing the worst hockey of his career, 23 minutes.

You got to play him. Got to play Morgan Riley in defensive situations. Got to play him. Not comfortable. Can't do it. Like he got danced the other night. danced. And I know that was Myers that started that.

I get it. But you can't get danced like that 12, 13 years in the league. Do you know how many times in practice you try that move on a defenseman and they would stop you? And they would say, this isn't junior hockey. Don't even think about that trash in this league. Right. That's what happens. Like, you try those silly moves.

And there was a play. I might have been the third period where a guy threw it up in the air over Jake McCabe and then beat him to the puck. it was like a circus trick. Trevor Zegris five years ago move, and I'm like, you pulling that off in the NHL against an experienced guy? It's a circus what's going on out there. They have no depth in defense whatsoever. Everyone's celebrating playing this team right now.

Oh, yeah. St. Louis included. As bad as St. Louis is right now, they have no confidence. I guarantee you they're flying in saying we can get these guys. We can get off the Schneid tomorrow night. They're looking at something, Brian. I'm sorry, I could hear everything you were saying. I don't know what was going on, but I agree.

The problem is, is I don't think the fix is trading yarn croak. Like you said, Brian, nobody's wanting him. They could have grabbed him in the off season, probably. So there's no, like, giant fix out there. The fix is in the dressing room. The fix is getting healthy as well. You mentioned the – you went through the laundry list. Like, you can't hide that they're banged up.

But the guys who are playing have to play. better. And I'll give you an example. 88's got himself. He's got a bunch of points, but he's not playing. I would expect him to dig in. I would love to see him win a battle. Stop expecting that. I've had enough. Like the guys, like

a wickedly talented player. But the idea of him digging in and leading the charge, or whatever the hell that's expected, he's going to do what he wants and he's going to produce a lot of points, and he's elite at doing that. Other than that, stop asking for anything more, because you're not going to get it.

The fan base is going to get it or not going to get it. The coaches aren't going to get it, and that three of us are not going to get it to talk about on this show. He ain't digging in. He's not going to be the Charlie Hustle and get in the forecheck and run people over. He's an elite point score. Other than that, he is content, which is his prerogative, to say, that's what I do, and that's all you're going to get.

So we've got to stop asking him to do more. It's not going to happen. And the point, you talked about their roster. The roster was terrible with all those players that we mentioned were in it. Well, yeah, they weren't playing well. No. No. You're not wrong. But what I'm saying is, you know, everybody's talked about, well, they miss Marner.

Of course they miss Marner. But Mitch Marner was an elite player that played really good defense, too. He was on the penalty kill, first guy over the board. So he was five on five. He was a creator, all of that. You miss him. I get that. But William Nylander is proven more now he's becoming one-dimensional.

Wrong side of the puck. Any loose puck, he wants a breakaway, so he's behind. hind coverage, all of that. So what happens, Craig Barubi, how many times is he going to have to yell at him and say, Willie, you're standing right there, dig in. Like, I get it.

But at some point, like the guys who are your leaders, they've got to find a way to dig you out of this. Because if you think that Nick Robertson's going to dig them out, or name me a name, Sammy Blaze is going to dig them out. It's not the case. John Tavares is doing everything you can.

They're lucky to have John Tavaris right now. Jamie, that's what the biggest problem is. if you're expecting Nealander to dig them out, he thinks digging them out is by producing points, which is part of what he does. In some games that has been true, you know, when you need a goal in overtime, he's done it for you. A lot of times, but to ask anything more defensive side of the puck

or get back or do this or do that or get on top of the puck, that's not his game, and that's not his deal. And that probably, it like sums up a lot of them, this whole tenure they've all been here. It's like, we produce points, and if you want us to finish our checks, and if you want us to get dirty in these dirty areas, and all this other coach speak that matters and winning, that's just not what they bring to the table.

You want us to get involved in scrums because it shows team spirit. That's not what we do. We produce points, and other than that, please don't ask us to do much more. That's basically been the whole deal. You're right, oh, but, like, is it just accepted? Because I don't think it should be. That's the thing. Like, you look at players that have evolved over time.

is it just accepted it's like okay that guy you know he can score points but we're not he doesn't have to we're going to have two sets of rules you guys play like this and you you you guys who do this you can play like that well they got one of the best coaches that ever coached the game fired because they refused to kind of i don't know whatever it was and then they got mr nice guy that let them skill and do whatever they wanted and have music at practice they got rid of him too so i i have no idea what the hell the answer is so we look at at it throughout the league. I look at it throughout the league as young players and they're highly skilled and maybe they're missing something in their game. You're right. I'm circling 88.

There's everybody else in that roster can play better as well. But I'm saying it's, you know, we always get in heck for pointing out what he isn't instead of just saying, hey, that's what he is. But at some point when there is adversity, you do expect top players or players of that ilk to step out of their comfort zone. He doesn't need to fight. He doesn't need to run anybody over, but could he win a 50-50 battle when the puck's in the slot and he's sagged down to help out? That's not a hard thing to do.

That's just an attention to detail. And the only thing, you know, oh, you talked about it, he's making a lot of money and he's in a lot of term. He's not going anywhere. The coach, he's going to outlast the coach. But the only thing the coach has right now is ice time. You don't want to do that? I'm sorry, there's accountability to be had.

And if you're losing games anyways, You put guys out there who are going to go through that wall. Who are going to block a shot. You're going to do something. I mean, I'll believe that when I see it. That's never happened in the past. And generally, the answer to your question is the contract. And when a guy's got eight years with a full no movement clause, there's your answer in terms of what you can expect to happen.

Yeah. And it's not just Willie. But I think Willie, it might actually be the example for the first time where we keep mentioning Marner in his absence in his general term like you knew you knew they'd miss mourner and of course they were going to miss marner in the regular season of course they were going to miss marner and what he does and the amount of points he supplies where he plays power play penalty kill defensive it's interesting where marner and nielander were always kind of pitted against each other in a way you know the two right wingers who do they play with which one's better which one who scores more who can you

keep and it feels like really the answer is like Willie kind of benefited greatly, maybe better than anyone, from having Marner around. Where it was always, well, Austin benefits from having Mitch or John benefits. Marner put a shield up for Willie to just go be Willie. You know, because Marner would do the grunt work. Marner would be the guy on the penalty kill.

Willie's never killed the penalty in his life, more or less. No one has he cared to, I don't believe. Yeah. And, you know, big defensive plays in the past, it was obviously Marner was going over the board. Sometimes something as simple as secondary matchups. Yeah, exactly, and that's another. Top D pairing was like, we got to deal with Matthews and Marner

and the second guys, you've got to deal with Willis. And I think this is what is being proven here. Again, it's not that Willie isn't still put in massive numbers, and he will. He's going to score 40 and 90 points. He's still one of the most electric offensive players in the game. I have no doubt. These last two games have been strange. Two games without a shot, you never see that.

It hasn't happened for him for years. Wouldn't be shocked tomorrow if he had seven shots on goal and scored twice. Yeah, agree. I think, you know, the Marner discussion, you know, ironically comes back to Nielander, where they were connected at the hip for the wrong reasons forever. But Mitch kind of put up a bubble for him, put up a shield, and just said, I'll do this, I'll do that. This is how I play. Right.

You go be Willie. And now with Marner not here, and by extension, Matthew's not playing, now you only look at Willie. Say, well, you're the only one left. Like John's 35, he's doing whatever he can. Nise is still young. You're the only guy. You're healthy. You're playing.

You've got to do it all. You've got to play 25 minutes tonight and be great. And the last two games, he hasn't. And that's why the spotlight's on him. And, you know, listen, the Matthews story, the guy hasn't skated now in a week. What the guy's a goalie? What the hell happened to the goalie in Boston?

Yeah, not around. He's awful. He's been awful since his comments, and then all of a sudden he just disappears. I don't know. I say it about every other goalie in the league. I can't take my foot off the gas when it comes to the leaf. I've just never seen a goalie walk out of the net and be injured when they're just dialed in and dynamite. Never. I don't get it.

They're gone. I don't know what happens to it. Well, and Wall, I thought it looked pretty good the other night. I thought he was good. He was not the reason they lost. Yeah, he was not the reason they lost. I actually thought they were going to get a point out. of that at least and then you know

Chicago high tip in the slot but you could just feel it coming that's the thing in watching that game like awful feeling yeah you get that pit and you're like every game you feel it what's going to happen in this shift where they actually screw up or they get caved in

and the other team just dominates and they score a goal you just knew it was going to happen yeah and here's the thing Brian you said it at the start of the conversation St. Louis is a wounded duck there you know the GMs come out basically. I mean, I'm paraphrasing through the insiders and that saying

everyone's available, you know, not liking what I'm seeing, all of that type of stuff. They've been losing games. I saw one of their beatwriters say, you know, is this rock bottom? Is this team just junk? Like basically I'm saying that type of stuff. You don't think they're coming in trying

to break out of their funk? Like this isn't, there's no reason for this to be a trap game, but you can't look across and go, well, they're worse than us, so we're going to win tonight. You've got to show up tomorrow night. You've got to play. Yes, absolutely.

And again, like Matthews isn't playing. Nick Woss, not playing now. Carlos out, Tano's out, Lotton's out. Like, the lineup is... Big chunk. Yeah, big chunk. Yeah, it's in trouble right now. And the Leafs have lost five in a row.

And, yeah, you know, good teams find a way to win and bad teams find a way to lose. And that's kind of would have felt like on Saturday. You just kind of knew the Leafs would find a way to lose the game. And that's where they're at. and we started the segment again basically pointing to the question I think every league fan is asking do they have enough talent do they have a game plan

do they have a willpower to get out of this it's a big challenge but it is a doable challenge it's still November there's still 60 plus games left you can get healthy you can get out of this do you have it in you it's the ultimate question I think the bigger question Brian is

is it worth it everyone's a competitor everybody wants to win but is it worth it to crawl into the playoffs and get absolutely be slapped is it worth it I don't know if they will

if they get it together I mean listen they're in the darkest place they could possibly be right now like to talk about them positively is almost impossible that's the truth so as of right now would I expect them to get swept in a best of seven yeah based on what I'm seeing right now

but in four or five months if they're healthy playing big playing heavy, playing better defensively, and their goal tenings better. I get that's a lot of checks that you've got to check off. But, you know, look at what's going on. Montreal's coming back down to Earth. You know, Boston's been great, good for them. They look very good.

They're hitting, fighting. They're fun. I'll believe it when I see it 30, 40 games from now. Florida is still not in a good place. Tampa got pumped by Vancouver yesterday. Pumped. They've won 8 of 11. I understand that, they'll be fine.

So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, they got pumped yesterday, and they're still not in a playoff spot technically. So they've been better, but I'm just saying there's other teams in the league that are also in a bad spot. So you've got a lot of season left. I'm answering his question. Do I think it's a lock if they squeeze in that they're just going to get destroyed? I don't know if that's true or not.

I don't know. But I don't know if they got the willpower to make it there. That's the bigger question. You've got to understand the question. What is the season worth the course? crawl into the playoffs. Are you asking if you're Keith Pelly or Brad Tree Living? Or are you asking if you're the players?

I think everybody in the organization is like, obviously the up top would be like if we get a couple gates out of it. But what damage are they really going to do as of right now? And like how much can they turn it? Like can this team turn it around where all of a sudden they can be a threat in the east where people around the league are saying watch out for Toronto this year? Based on their history, they're not going to get that anyway. Like, even if they finished with 130 points and won the President's trophy, people would say you're still a lease.

Teams would be dying for them in the first round. Yes, because of their history. Their history. But, okay, there's a couple things that we can't deny. The injuries are real. Like, this isn't, like, that's not a finished product on the ice. When you're missing your number one center, and where's TANF? Is he two?

Is he your number two? Like, I don't think he's your one, but I think he's a top. I don't think they have a one. Okay, so let's just, let's say, is it? top pairing guy. You're missing, and you're missing the guy who, you're number one goaltender or one A. So you're missing the spine of your team, really, and then you throw in some other players

Wah, your number three centerman, lot, and your number four centermen. Would I like to see them come back and see if they could get their game in order? Absolutely. But are they losing daylight here? What I mean by it is everybody every night. It was the other day in Winnipeg, it's like, hey, the four points out of first place. Now it's six, right, through a weekend. You can't lose too much more daylight.

Because now, of a sudden, it's 8 out of 10. Like, I'm not saying playoff spot. What I'm saying is to jump back into a real strong position in the Atlantic. And everybody around you, you're playing each other. That's the biggest challenge. You've got to keep pace while you're struggling. They're taking water right now. We've set it all along.

You win five in a row or you lose five in a row. That is the swing this year with how much carry. Now they've got to swing back the other way. They've got to swing back the other way. With this lineup, I don't know how it's possible to do that. Well, you've got an opportunity tomorrow night to try and go, you know. But tomorrow could start getting ugly, too, because, again, it could flip the other way. Fair enough.

You get pumped at home. That's when the crowd starts to get really ugly. But to O's bigger existential question is if the answer is no, then the guy who has to determine that is Keith Pelly. Because then you're talking an organizational upheaval. How does Keith Pelley with all due respect to him? he doesn't know excuse my language he doesn't know what an

NHL team that like just because the guy came from the European tour the DP World Tour you think he just falls into the building and says I'm not sure that team's a competitive winner he's not a hockey specialist what he is as a manager okay go ahead

he determines what happens and he's clearly heavily involved he has told us you tell anyone that will ask him he's calling Craig every day calling tree living like he's in he's in the foxhole with these guys right okay shanahan's gone he's the boss like i guess there are layers above him you know rogers at the top would obviously be the answer to that but the point i'm making is if if you have a belief and you may

have the accurate one oh like it may it may that very well could be the reality that no one wants to face yet that the window is closed it's done these guys they can't do it they're not going to do it. I'm not saying that is definitively the case, Brian. I hear you're not saying it's an option out there where if it gets to that point you have to be realistic in your assessment and say what are we doing here? I get you

but that is a huge organizational shift that Craig Baroube won't make because he's the coach so he doesn't make that call. Brad Trilliving would have a voice in it but he's also part of the reason they would be in this position. He's been the manager

for a couple years now and he has a boss and it's Keith Pelly So Pelley's the one that's going to have to make the right call Which is troubling Or possibly concerning Because to your point He's not a hockey executive or hockey guy or whatever

But that's the reality of the business This gentleman just said we're all in We're all in on the Leafs this year So it's like what is that even? Two months ago I thought they'd make the playoffs Now it's November 18th I don't know if they will Things change quickly

But they're old, they're slow they don't have much of a farm system you know it's the free agency Kempe just signed again there's no there's no one available you know so it's you you know and again with Matthews adding insult to injury here

if the reality is setting in that it's just you know it's a great nine years and they're going to have to readjust a retool like I think of shut it down scorched earth rebuild is not going to happen that's not happening but a retool means maybe a year or two where you got to reshift it, you know, Matthews may be transitioning into the next stage of his career,

which is great player, not dominant, body's a little shaky, you know, not sure, you know, maybe you're getting 60 games instead of 80, and, you know, that's another thing. Like at a minimum, yes, they missed out on winning any playoff rounds, or they won two playoff rounds in nine years, but you got to witness probably the greatest leaf in history, dominate 60 goals 69 i don't know if that's coming back i hope so but i don't know if it is well and so there's you know these are all things that have to be determined like what are you going to do but if you're going to retool then that's on tree living to make a determination but it's also on keith pelly to sign off on that what is a retool even basically what

boston did the last two years and look where they are they told marchion you're out they moved off different guys they made a lot of trades well and they had some guys that retired eventually bergeron said i'm i'm done you know they had to move away but i think it's too premature to have these conversations yet i i i want for 18 games in for me it is for me it is 19 games in i know but i know and i know we always talk about what's your number i just it's tough because of the health situation if this was 19 games and we've talked about Matthews having 17 or 18 games under his belt, and the goaltending tandem has been held.

Like all of these things, I'm not blaming all on injuries. What I'm saying is they have contributed and then, you know, the play of some of some guys that were depth guys. Like, Machelli I expected more out of, like, you know, I expect more out of guys that I expect, Bobby McMahon scores ago. He looked like he had some jam, but like he hasn't been consistent. You know, the only consistent guy has been the 35. five-year-old guy making four and a half million bucks yeah and matthew nice nice yeah but but nize is like nize isn't for me right now isn't a front and center

player he's a really good support player yeah i got it but as far as consistency you know what you're basically going to get fair enough fair enough and i understand what you're saying about the the health jamie but my problem with that or my counter to that would be we watched those guys in the lineup for about 15 or 16 games and it was like it was the same product it was the same game so now it's just worse because there's better players out of the lineup and now you get one goalie back the other guys out it's i don't know it it could be one of those years where it's just like what the hell's going on yeah we've seen that in other organization we've seen it in montreal have and montreal's in one right now they're then these their injuries are long term like

new hook right you know doc these guys are missing eight weeks and three months and ghouly like but we've seen organizations where they just hit it and it's one of those years where it's like it just everything that... Well, and if that happens... Montreal has a four pack of guys that seem to get hurt every year. Yeah, unfortunately. Same four guys.

Dane, Newhook, Doc, and Newhook. All the time. And they're hurt right now. But if that is the case, again, you got to pounce on that and make it a positive somehow. How do you make it a positive? Move off guys you can.

Bring in assets. Bring in picks. They got it, like, they got nothing. They got to get some picks. If you're going to miss, you've got to find a way get in the draft you have to now you know again they're not going to do it right now but it can't be far off like it may be i said friday it said give it to the 30 game marks so 11 more games

if they're still losing brian 30 games is is fair that's that you know a third of the season you know then you got to figure out where you're at and have an honest assessment and hopefully it is just a one-off because there's good pieces here and you reset and figure it out next year but you got to you got to make a positive out of that and not going to be easy to do um all right bruce is coming up bruce budro join us luke will join us you guys had a pretty good weekend i'll be honest owen wilson pretty good weekend shout out to the champs the rough riders that was a great game yeah fumble on the goal line man that's just crushing a fumble on the goal line hashtag now we go all right so we get into that a little bit later this hour

as well overdrive continues tsn 1050 and on tsn4 all of our colleagues who Covered the Great Cup. Excellent job by everybody. Yeah, they do a phenomenal job. Phenomenal job. Listen, it was a great game. Like, it turned, I thought it was going to be a blowout at half. I thought the riders are just, they're dominating, you know, they're just going to take off.

And credit to Montreal, they didn't go to sleep. They battled back and got to that fumble on the goal line, that's your moment. Those tush pushes, man, they're getting a little bit out of hand. I'm watching that. You're watching the NFL and you're like, there is so much space on that. field and this is all coming down to grown men crawling on the floor and like busting guys knees i just couldn't believe it i was like really the tush push with all that room out there in the cfl i found a goofy to be honest with you and i know a k threw out a tweet sending a message

to the commission saying let the skill players score t ds no more tush push well i guys i didn't have a my bingo card stewart johnston getting the jerry treatment oh yeah Wow. If you're a commissioner, you get booed. I guess. I mean, that probably was, I didn't see that one coming. Like, it was, you know, I can hear it through the TV, put it that way. Oh, yeah. I think if you're a commissioner or a prime minister, you're getting booed. Oh, yeah. Well, that's happening. They had to mute it with that guy.

He was getting hammered. It was a carny or whatever. Holy smoke. Although there were claims. There were cheers. I don't know. There was not one. I'm not sure there were any. I think he was getting hammered. But I think if you're a commissioner, it would be uncomfortable if you got cheered. Really? I think so. I mean, what commissioner ever gets cheered anywhere?

Like, I know Jerry in particular gets booed, like, everywhere, and then he likes it. Well, what's silver? At one point, Silver was a hero. Now everyone hates it. He kind of, you're right. He was this really progressive players commissioner. I got to tell you guys. You're right.

Speaking of cherry moves, Duffy pulled a cherry move. and had like a black sneaker with white souls on on the stage. It was a total Jerry move with a suit. Well, I don't know if there's footage of it, but Duffy went Jerry on the stage with sneakers on in a suit. Okay. I didn't see the shoes. I saw the post game.

Joe from the bridge, you've got to try to get footage of this guy because it was, and it wasn't like the total white sneakers, the cool guy. It was a Jerry look. Really? Yes. I've got a pair. I'm going to wear them tomorrow.

You'll tell me if you like them or not. I have ug-like dress shoes. Those are black, black with the white sole. Yes. Duffy had like running, like he was going for a run in his suit. Really? That surprises me. Duffy's generally got a pretty quality fashion sense.

I thought he was battling, too. There was so much confetti in his hair and he was like he was trying to talk. The green confetti was everywhere. At one time, I think it was the MVP or somebody grabbed the microphone, and it looked like he wanted to take the mic from Duthy and Duthy was not taking the mic from it. The Canadian MVP. Yeah. And also when he took the mic, there was a lot of booze.

But I think it was because, you know, Stu was coming up. But I'm like, did we really? Did we start something in Winnipeg where, like, you got to boo Dutthi and it's not Dutthi country? Because I thought he handled it incredibly well. Like, he's so composed and, you know, the interviews are always great. But, yeah, I think if you're a commissioner, you have to just expect it. Like, that's what's coming. But do people hate Goodell?

Why do you hate Goodell? Why? I don't know. It's a good question. Probably because he makes $54 million a year. Yes. Yeah. Exactly.

But the guy is, he literally, that's a city. The NFL is a city. It's a country. It's not even just a league. It's literally a country. That's how powerful the NFL is. And to me, he does, I think he does a good job there. I guess, yeah.

I don't know. I mean, you'd have to look it up. Maybe I'm wrong on that, and he doesn't. Like Rob Manford, I think, is a guy that's probably in the lead right now because of the rule changes he made. A lot of it is rule changes. You know, and let's face it, that's why a lot of CFL fans don't like, you know, Stu Johnston coming in and changing some rules.

And, you know, I think he made a point. We know he made a point of reiterating and putting much more of an emphasis on the Canadian elements of the rules. Yes. Yeah. He's like, that's not changing. Because that was the blowback. It was when the rules were implemented or announced, there was, I think, a belief, okay, this is just the beginning of what is going to come. They're going to go to four downs. They're going to do this. They're going to go to that. They're going to keep trying to game. Americanizing the game, exactly. So, and in a place like Winnipeg where it's, that's the CFL epicenter. Yeah, that is, that is diehard Canadian right there at Winnipeg.

So I think that probably led to it a little bit. But I also just think it's the history, that's the role. If you're the commissioner and you're hand in a trophy out, you get hammered. But I guess we'll see, because Goodell will be there at the Super Bowl. And the question now is who is going to be playing in the Super Bowl? something true i'm brought to you by boston pizza canada's favorite sports bar enjoy a 15 dollar lunch at bp where you get an entree a side and a drink and you get it all in 20 minutes or less a fast lunch doesn't have to be fast food see you for a 15 dollar fast lunch of your local

boston pizza again shout out to boston pizza polo park in the peg unbelievable hospitality we love it um kansas city losing to denver yesterday and florida losing to tamp on saturday We're asking online, which of these two teams do you think has a better chance of getting to their fourth straight championship round? The Kansas City Chiefs are the Florida Panthers. Wow. KC's 5 and 5. The Panthers currently are basically right where the Leafs are. They're 9-8-1.

So Florida out of a playoff spot, a lot of injuries. Kansas City out of a playoff spot, they're dealing with stuff. If you had to pick one, they both. Casey, I would say Casey. Yeah? Just because of Patrick Mahomes being healthy. And I was thinking about Casey and their record. They're 5 and 5 and people are like, uh-oh.

And there's also a team that's 5 and 5 now that teams are like, uh-oh, on the other end, are teams now all of a sudden afraid of Baltimore? Well, in the AFC North they should be because Rogers is hurt now in Pittsburgh. They got a win yesterday. Yeah. Like I couldn't believe it when I saw Baltimore's at 5 and 5. They were awful, and everyone was like, they're done, they're screwed, and it's over for Baltimore this year.

And I was like, well, maybe they're getting somebody's attention right now. Yeah. I think I would answer Casey as well, just because there's no denying. Winning in the NFL is incredibly tough, and winning in the playoffs is incredibly tough. But I think the nature of the NFL playoffs where it's a one-game round, I just think it's so tough for an NHL team to win 20. 12 times before you even get to a cup final, a fourth straight year. I just think what you're seeing and what you're going to see with Barkov out,

and we'll see if he returns, Kachako return at some point. Bob's not young. You know, there's just been so much hockey, and it's so tough to get up off the mat every single spring and just grind it out. And I just think if Kansas City can still get in, they can still win or get to a Super Bowl. Yeah.

Who would you have more belief in, though? Like, that's the thing, like, you're still believing in Mahomes. Like, that's, you know, really, that's, ultimately, it's just, do you believe in Mahomes or not? That's going to answer the question for me, because Florida has so many factors of what you just laid out, Brian. You know, Bob and Barkoff and Kachuk, and, you know, you look at it, it's a lot of miles on a car. It's just, if it's the quarterback or not, Mahomes, can he do it or not? It's one guy in Kansas City. That's it.

Yeah. Yeah, because honestly, they haven't been that good, man. Like, they've got name value. And has he been good? He's been okay. He hasn't been great. You know, like yesterday, Denver got to him. Ghost yesterday.

Yeah, Denver got to him. And last year, like his numbers were okay. They haven't been, like, godly in a few years. So I do think Kansas City now, you know, he's probably looking at this or organization, the way Brady looked at the Pats in 2010 or whatever, 2000, whatever, and said, hey, how do you get me to this next level? Brady had some off years, too, where it was like, maybe this just is in my year. There were some games where you're like, well, is Brady at the end?

And then three Super Bowls later, he's still kicking around. Exactly. That's true. He won his third Super Bowl in 2004, I think it was, or 05, and didn't win another one until 2015. It was a 10-year gap. Now, he went to a couple in between. They went in 07.

They went in 2011 or 2012, both against the Giants when Eli got him. But he didn't win for a decade. And that gets forgotten. I mean, that's a long time. Dude, that is crazy. That's a long time. So, you know, if you're Mahomes, and this is reality setting in, okay, you know, Kelsey's going to retire, move out, other pieces are going to move around. Is Annie Reid going to be here long term?

What are you going to do to get me back to that next? wave like what can you do for me to get me back because i'm still chasing brady and he got his second wave he got his third wave um i think on paper the panthers are a better team if healthy but they're not healthy yeah they're not healthy um all right luke coming up and uh bruce boogho will join us best bet still in about an hour overdrive continues tsn 1050 and up on youtube live something to chew on is brought to by boston pizza canada's favorite sports bar enjoy 15 dollar lunch at BP where you get an entree a site and a drink and you'll get it all in

20 minutes or less. A fast lunch doesn't have to be fast food. See you for a $15 fast lunch at your local Boston pizza. See your boy, Hazie Sean Payton dumped the referee yesterday. There was a couple collisions yesterday. There was Peyton

and then there was a cop in college who like shouldered those guys. People were calling for that guy's job. He got fired. He might get fired, Doc. He did.

The cop got fired for shouldering those two players going through them and then turning around being a hero. Yes, he got fired for that. It was totally all him, too. The players gave him more than enough room. They were clearly focused. They put it in slow mo, and both players tried to, like, move away, and he had to get involved. He shouldered out and did the turnaround point and stare.

It was just so unnecessary. Hero move. Pull that heroic move. Tell you what, Sean Payton, probably the coach of the year in the NFL right now or real close to it like their offense, Bo Nix doesn't do much and they win games and

You see what coaching does though? Like do you remember what a disaster they were with Russ there? And who was leading the charge with Russ? What was his name? The coordinator from Green Bay. Hackett. The hack it was a hack.

And hack it. They were a disaster. And you bring in a top end coach and in two years things get turned around. Yeah. It ultimately, there is so much value in it. You knew it when Peyton went there. You just knew it.

You're like, that guy's going to find a way to win. I know. And the first thing he did was go to Russ and say, sorry, dude, you're out. You're not good enough to take us anywhere. And he has the stones to say, we're not doing it with you. Yeah. I don't understand how Peyton got a flag on that play. He must have said something because didn't the ref run into him?

It looked like it from the angles I saw. And then he probably said, wake the F up or something like that. And then the flag came flying out. There was some weird stuff. Like there was a tactic on the NBA where one of, like the ball boy went out to like brush out off the court. And the ball came back the other way and the team got clipped for a delay a game because he was on there. The coach started going nuts. I got to find that.

That's awful. The poor guy's like, sweeping the sweat. Yeah, because it gets sweat. The sweat on the floor and all that. So they run out. We've been to games. You see them. It's nerve-wracking watching them.

It is. Like, if someone turns the ball over and goes the other way, you better get the hell off that court, quick. One of Dutchie's favorites highlights is when the ball boy, I don't know, I think it was at Wimbledon, he just bites it, and he goes face first into the wall, and it pissed off the player. Like, it annoyed the player.

The audacity of the player to be bothered by that kid's dismay. How dare you put your face into that and cause a scene that's going to throw me off my game? overdrive powered by Fanduil bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Hour two coming up.

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