OverDrive - OverDrive - November 25, 2025 - Hour 1 - Darren Dreger/Pierre LeBrun

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss Hayes and Bro's massive lead against O'Win Willson and if the team is disbanded, the bottom teams looking to make trades in the NHL, Quinn Hughes' trade possibility with the Canucks and what a deal could be and the Maple Leafs playing through major injuries and when the players will return. TSN Hockey Insiders Darren Dreger and Pierre LeBrun joins to discuss Hughes' potential trade, Canucks looking for deals and Auston Matthews' injury timeline.

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This hour of overdrive is powered by Fanduil. Fanduil, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, Overdrive, off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker up on TSN4, Brian Hayes, the O'Dog, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennon. How are we doing? Very well, very well. I'm concerned. Let me take this for a spin.

Hello, Partsy. Oh, no. It does have a good ring to it. It does have a good ring to it. I have to say that. I do have to say that. And, you know, I was having a conversation with a mutual friend of ours earlier that, you know, this is like Luke used to be your Tom Brady. Right.

He was your Tom Brady. He was your guy. And now Luke is playing like, you know, Rex Grossman or whatever. And you're just selling them right off. He's the one that. Our relationship. He went on Twitter last night and said, for whatever related reasons, this guy is being sent to the mine. He gasped me last night.

Yeah, you're in the minor. You're on waivers. Well, I may have sparked that a little bit. I might have put out there because I, you know, I watched it. I saw that. And then that picture came up in the group text. And what Luke had floated in the group chat was. Maybe I should cut O'Dog loose or something.

And I said, well, hold on a second here. Didn't Hayes, didn't you send Al's brother to the miners for a week or something last year? Yeah, last year, I had to place him on waivers, and he cleared. He needed a reset, though. That's what it happened, right? He did. Yes, you're absolutely right. Guys, let's be straight here, okay?

He's the one that pulls the trigger on these decisions. He weighs in. He lets me weigh in when we talk to each other. but he pulls the trigger, why would I need a reset when I'm basically an assistant GM with no say? Maybe he needs a reset. I think what he needs is a new power structure. I think he needs Al's brother to come in and run the whole operation. Oh, no. And Luke can be, you know, his personal assistant for a couple of weeks. I see that as a blossoming relationship, right? I I really do. I think Luke, working under the tutelage of someone who really knows what he's doing

in Al's brother would be great for him to flourish in the future. Al's brother is a modern-day Theo Epstein. That's right. That's exactly what he is. And I'm the Red Sox, and now it's time for him to go to Chicago and win something for the Cubs. That's it. And that's what Al's brother, I think, wants to do. He wants to go to the north side of Chicago, which is where Luke currently resides, and take Luke under his wing and if that happens it'd be tough to see him go but we'll be okay we'll be okay

over here at Boston right we're fine Chicago needs Al's brother Luke needs Al's brother I never thought I'd say those words but they're accurate man 100% accuracy basically what you did Brian is you admitted this is all you and you're fine with Al's brother

going wherever the hell he wants because all of the nonsense that he spews basically you're the brains behind the organization so you could put a garden gnome with you and you what you're doing or the old dog with me you're right a garden gnome or the old dog you're wishing al's brother to go over there i dare you to go you versus the three of that oh dude i would that's happened before noodles and i lapped them remember how ugly it got luke got fired al's brother was started taking cruises every two weeks i spun them out of control

that they didn't know how to operate anymore i feel like if if al's brother slides over there, then you could show the complete power struggle as to it's like you versus the field. All right. I challenge you I mean, I'm with you. I'm okay with that. It's either that. It's either we switch the teams or

I can easily form a super team with Dugie, JP, and Joe from the bridge. You think that's a super team? That is a super team. That's the little giants. You're Rick Moranus. You'd be Rick Moranus. That's the little giants.

no shot. The little giants. What did you say yesterday? It's alumni versus firemen. That's exactly what that is. Precisely. And firemen that don't work anymore.

Exactly. I had so great from firemen yesterday of all people. It's like, we're better than that. We work. It's just like, oh, you offended firemen yesterday. Oh, yeah. Not the leaves. You didn't offend the leaves.

You didn't offend the leaps. You offended the leaps. You offended the firemen who were playing them. That's the thing. That's great. I didn't think of that possibility. But it's funny, everyone's angry. Listen, unless you're a Raptor fan, they did it again last night.

Man, the Raptors won again, eight in a row. Brennan Ingram was phenomenal. Scotty Barnes keeps growing and keeps getting better. Darko pushing all the right buttons. So the Raptors fans coming alive, you know, like that building was rocking last night. And it's going to take some time. They've had a couple of down years to get like the casual fans back on board, right? but you keep winning, man.

It's just, it's a testament to the way sports is pretty simple. It's really not that hard to figure out. It's finite. You either win and people love what's going on or you lose and people are miserable. There's really not much of a gray area. And it's starting to get miserable in the NHL, I'll tell you. Yeah.

If they always say that Thanksgiving, U.S., is kind of the time where it's, you know, do it or get off, there are some people that are realizing they're pissed off like Barry Trots went nuclear on his team saying he wants more and they rewarded him with just an eight they got pumped last night by Florida at home pumped

and now everything like three minutes into the game dude and now people are starting to talk because players talk when it gets that miserable now everyone is talking about how miserable it is in Nashville like just get me out of here this is gross which is a dangerous game man That was the gold standard a couple years ago, wasn't it? There's still no state tax in Tennessee.

It's funny. There's still no state tax down there. It's a great, great point. No state tax, but they are miserable at Nashville. It's about winning. It's about competing. It's about playing in the playoffs. That's what it is.

But I think the point you're making, Brian, and it's a great point because if there's no state tax, people are like, okay, that's the destination. to be. If your team stinks, you're still frustrated. I think where the struggle is if the organizations are kind of close, if it's a coin flip between, hey, team A and team B, but better weather, better state tax, all of that, obviously. That hasn't changed. But that's what I've been saying that for a while. It's like, it's 5% of the pie, but it's still a percentage of the pie. For sure. I'm not downplaying that. I'm not saying I've changed my viewpoint on. everything because of national i'm just pointing that out that national is one of those teams

that you know they can go the extra 5% but you're right they're they're a disaster like they're they're a mess and unfortunately barry trots who's one of the you know great guys and great interviews one of the great coaches ever you know the it's early but not that early the managerial resume is a disaster i mean there's no you can't sugarcoat it like they're the worst team in the league and he went in there and got rid of a bunch of guys and brought in different guys and splashed money around and it just it hasn't worked um and they are clear cut the worst team like as bad as you know the leaf start has been calgary start Vancouver start there's other teams right Nashville is a Nashville is to the bottom what Colorado is to the top like that's how

defined it is like Colorado veteran good players are so called good players that's that's that's the disappointing part is And if you look at it, there's probably, like, let's take a, like, St. Louis, by all accounts, again, I'm just quoting the insiders, is open for business. Vancouver's open for business. Don Maloney came out the other day and said they're not open for business, but I do believe Calgary should be, or is at least listening. Craig Connery's a smart guy. And then Barry Trots. So you're looking at those four organizations right now definitively.

I know the Leafs are just above them, but I give them a pass, whether I should or not. There's injuries. I'd like to see what this team looks like at 100%. Those other teams, they're not battling their best players out, all of that type of stuff. There is still adversity, I get it. But I'm just, I'm separating the Leafs from those right now. Reserve Judgment, 10 games from now. Also don't have the same history, right?

Correct. Correct. You know, Vancouver, Calgary. You know, St. Louis was in the playoffs last year. But the Leafs, for nine straight years, it's been a borderline formality they're going to the playoffs. But, yeah, so you're right. So let me just separate those four. There's some real damn good players on those organizations.

And I think that's where, you know, if you're a manager looking to add, and oh, you talked about it the other day, whether it's Ottawa, whether it's these other teams that are looking to add to their group, you start calling those managers saying, who's available and what's it going to take to get them out? I think, you know, U.S. Thanksgiving is this week. Are you going to start to see some moves here, some organizations that are kind of in that, you know, the doldrums? There's 25 teams kind of lumped up together, you name it. Are you going to see some moves for a team to try and separate themselves?

Well, I think it comes down to how much of a stomach, like how much they're willing to stomach, you know, shedding pieces off. You mentioned Vancouver. As of now, Quinn Hughes doesn't appear to be a part of that conversation. why not why not that's that's what i was just about to say if you're if you're unloading everything what is he what is he possibly thinking about that no like he's low he must be looking at this saying guys like i'm leaving you know like i'm not i love the tweet today some veteran players available but not yet for quin not quinn we'll figure that out why why not he should be the

first right because you can likely i mean listen it's difficult midseason and it's difficult with a hard salary cap it's it's tough to do but if i'm a if i'm a prospective team out there not named new jersey who everyone is connecting him to but if i'm thinking okay in a year and a half he's going to new jersey july first 2027 or whatever it is that's where he's going and if that's what he's planning then so be it but you can get i think the second best defenseman in the world certainly a top three defense from a four a year and a half for a year and a half two playoff dude that's like what what are you not willing to trade for that like if you're quote unquote in a window you know if you if you feel like you're really right there ready to pounce and

we could go through the list of teams that might represent that but man like how could you not say just you you tell me jim rutherford what's it going to take because if he's willing to come here for a year and a half we're taking him because he's that good and that's the definition of an impact player national doesn't have that anymore yosy isn't that guy you know soros it's a big contract i don't know um st louis doesn't have it like no one has it to that extent like quinn hughes is a legit top five or six player in the world i'm calling him off the hook and saying yeah look at jake de brusk i'll look at you know different guys like that good players connor garland there's lots of players good players philop ronic really good players but this league

on its head or Quinn Hughes gets flipped. Now we're talking. So, Brian, you're right, but the team that is trying to acquire him, it's going to be picks and prospects. It can't be live roster players, because you're not going to weaken your team, unless

it's somebody you're trading out, you need the cap space. So you need to trade a defenseman that's on your roster already to move for Quinn Hughes to slide in there. But it's a lot of picks and prospects because if Vancouver is going to go through scorched earth situation, they don't need a 25-year-old player that's really good. They need a high drop pick or a first, you know,

multiple first rounders and a 19-year-old that's playing in junior right now. That's what they need. Sure. And I'm sure there's, you know, again, we'd have to look through it, but I'm sure there are examples of that. I think he's one guy, though, that you kind of make the exception because we're talking about the two years noodles where I think you do trade a 22-year-old. old stud for him because yes you're not weakening your team you're getting Quinn Hughes yeah no you're right you're getting a substantially better player than that 22 year old who was really good okay so let's just again be let's be crazy here let's be that crazy because i know exactly where you're about to go let's say the leaps are really rocking right now and it's it's going to cost you

matthew nize i'm doing it that's what i'm telling you okay i'm doing that plus the picks and the That's how good Quinn Hughes is. I was trying to figure out teams that were linked to Rasmus Anderson. So maybe the Leafs would be one of them. I'm looking at like Dallas, for example. Would Dallas trade White Johnston for him? I would. That's my answer.

That's what I'm saying. As good as Wyatt Johnston is, this is Quinn Hughes. You're right. This guy is so good. He shows up, plays 28 minutes immediately, and is the best player in your team. better than Heiskenen, who's great, better than Harley, who's great. You know, we're using Dallas as an example. Yeah, just an example.

The Leafs better not make this deal right now. They're not going to make that deal. I'm not saying the Leaf should. I'm saying in a different world, the Leafs have 30 points right now in Iraq and, like, man, they're one puck-moving defense-man away. Yes, I'm doing. It's all in. Basically, you know, as much as I love Nyes, as much as I love Wyatt Johnston, as much

as I love, you know, whoever it is. Yeah, exactly. Like name a player. You're getting them for two runs, man. Wyatt Johnson's an interesting one, Hayes. Like, he's a big part. Yeah, he's a great player. Quinn Hughes, man.

Quinn Hughes. I know. But he's, you know. That guy doesn't stumble across your path very often, man. Well, Dallas isn't probably the right piece. They got Heiskin and Harley on the last side. They're not making that trade. Maybe it's Vegas.

Maybe it's Vegas because Vegas lost Petrangelo. And, you know, I'm doing their game. tomorrow like I'm looking at their roster they're banged up you know they're banged up but they still have good players there they they took a beating in in Utah last night at 5-1 did I didn't love their game didn't play well but you know that happens but it you know Petrangelo off the books well I think they would and there's an example like is it again I don't know what the deal looks like picks prospects and Dora Fave and they're like well we want him and we want picks and prospects i'm doing that well yeah go ahead i just i don't know if i don't know if

i don't know everything i can to get quinn hughes i guess is what i'm telling you but you with full well-knowing you're mortgage mortgaging your future because this guy out the door in a year and a half going to play with his brother probably is yes that's the other maybe you can convince them right maybe jersey's a mess in a year and a half the league is in a weird cycle right now you know maybe in two years he looks at it and goes oh wait my time out maybe they can come meet me in a few years i don't know that's fair well somebody else said i don't know was on twitter somebody else said there's another team close to jersey with a head coach that's familiar with quin hughes never know rickie talk it's really billy yeah but that no where's

philly and their progression you know what i mean like that's i think sometimes when a player like that's available jamie you just got to say forget about the progression like well but does it make sense philly's just not that good For Philly. That's my question. Is it makes sense for Philly to go, like there's a probably, like I get you, but there's probably a few teams that would go, I'd love to have them on my team, but we're just not there, you know, to make it happen.

Keep in mind, I believe he has a full no move and all of that. So he can just go, yeah, I'm good. No, I'm not doing that. Right. So there's a lot of things. We're just doing the Joe from the bridge and making things up here as we go. But I, you know, Philly is an interesting team, but I, you know, maybe the team that's tied with them in the standings in Florida, you know, like it's just. Maybe Tampa, like Tampa won again last night, Hedman's out.

Anyway, we're getting crazy now. We are getting crazy. The point is there's teams that might be opening the door. And, and let's, you know, with the Leafs, they may be five games away from the same report. I don't know. Like, you can't, if you keep losing, you can't just sit on your hand. if you're Brad Tree Living. Like at some point you've got to make a decision on what you have

and what you're going to be this year. You know, and we got, let's play the Berubei clip where, you know, there's Matthews and Nyes and Wall. They're all out there in gray jerseys and they practiced, but no word on if they're playing tomorrow night because, God forbid, you give a real update on anything. Here's what Barubei had to say about those players in particular. You look good.

They did finish. practice but still got to see both tomorrow so that's where they're at but it's good that they're out there and finished practice went through all the drills and just got to see where they're at see you know i haven't talked to trainer i haven't talked to those guys yet after practice so that's something i got to do i just don't understand the giant mystery i don't i don't think is there even one or do you think he knows they're just not playing i don't like that's that's what I wonder. It's like they're just, they're not playing and he's got to go through the song and dance

because that's the way they operate. I don't think they would. Like, you got till Friday, Saturday. Like, why not give them an extra couple days? Because your life is on the line, noodles. Like, you're dying. The team isn't dead last in the East. If you're 95%, like at what point do you say I got to play?

You know, again, you don't know because there's no releasing of, I don't know if it could get worse or whatever. But, like, I hear what you're saying, but then it's like, well, I'll just wait until Saturday. Well, then you don't play until Tuesday, so just wait until Tuesday. Like, at some point you've got to play. We just don't know. They need guys in the lineup. I just wish we, the problem is we can't diagnose because we have no idea what it is. And that's careful.

I don't even know what, Anthony Stolars came out of a game the other, like two weeks ago. Yeah. I thought he just got pulled and they were just saying, yeah, I'd take that, you know, maybe a muscle cramp or something. Guys, it touched the ice. Not even on the ice. That's two weeks ago. Yeah. Two weeks ago, November 11th was that game.

That was crazy. He was God-awful, just disappeared off the ice, and haven't heard from him or anything about him since. Just gone. Yeah, that's an upper body. That's a weird one. Yeah, like I don't, there was nothing there. Again, we didn't scour the tape if there was, you know,

he got, I believe, was it diagnosed the concussion in the playoffs, right? Was the Bennett thing a concussion? Oh, yeah. That's been diagnosed, right? I want to speak out of turn. No, yeah, for sure. bonked that night and we didn't see it and then didn't feel well after the first and we don't know leave fans they're reviewing the tape like it's the they would have seen anything yeah there's that

omar guy or whatever he does that great job he does everything but like he yeah he breaks all of those stuff the the videos down and all that so you're right like i don't i didn't see anything other than just a poor third goal that went in and that made it three one and that was curtains After, you know, pulled twice, you know, awful performance against Boston, the comments, you know, it's just, it's been a weird year for Stollars. Like, there's no other way to put it. It's unfortunate. It was such a great story last year. But who, no idea when he's going to play, no idea when Carlo's going to play, Tano's going to play, you know, these three guys, they've been practicing.

They were in Montreal. They're on the ice all the time. Still don't know if they'll play tomorrow night. Well, hopefully they're close. That's the thing, you know. Yeah. I hope so, you know, but with the Leafs, you never know. Maybe the insiders can tell us.

We'll come back and we'll ask Dregs because we had in studio last week. Remember we said, he said, he's like, if he doesn't play on Wednesday, Matthews, then it's like, okay, what's going on here? You know, like that, because it was, yeah, maybe Saturday in Montreal. Now it's Wednesday, and we still don't know if this guy's going to play. So what's the latest on that? What's the latest on which teams, you know, are open for business? Listen, when does Quinn Hughes get flipped, basically?

Like, if he's going to get flipped, when does he get flipped? What does that look like, among other stories around the NHL? The Insiders coming up. MJ will join us today. Confirm or deny coming up. The O'Dog's on waivers. I might put in a claim. I might put in a claim.

I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about picking you up off the waiver wire. But then you would have to drop Al's brother and put him back on the way. And that would be unfortunate. And Al's brother, I know he would fall up. Because, again, he would take over Luke's whole operation, and Luke would be his personal assistant. I think Luke needs that right now.

They really do. So we'll see. We'll see what happens here. All right, insiders coming up. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. It's beginning to sound a lot like Christmas with Iheart the holidays. Non-stop Christmas music 24-7.

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So what the hell is the sense? Yeah. It's a great question. Like obviously the money, obviously the prestige. Yes. Like as much as we say that, somebody will jump on that Jets job because everyone's got an ego and they say, I can turn it around. But man, there's been a bunch of guys that have gone in there.

And no one's going to turn it around until the owner stops being involved like he is. That's true. Yeah, that's valid. The whole New York football scene, man. The Giants are the only team. mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. It's not even U.S. Thanksgiving. The Giants are out.

Like, they're done. And the Jets are done. It's a mess, man. But, yeah, the Niners, they're 8 and 4. They've had all those injuries. Purdy's doing nothing. You know, like they're winning almost in spite of party. And Mack Jones was good earlier in the year.

And yet they're 8 and 4. It's a great run in the NFC West. Great run in the NFC North. The NFL hammered this, too, on Thanksgiving. It's Packers, Lions, Chiefs, Cowboys. You can't ask for anything better. And I believe Joe Burroughs returning. I believe Burrow returning against the Ravens for the nightcap.

Like, that's just three great games. Three great games, three great stories. They got a game on Friday. You can't beat it, man. You can't beat it. All right, we only got one game in the NHL tonight. Edmonton, Dallas, too. It's a big one.

Edmonton home after a long road trip. They're, you know, they kind of, survived on the road, but now they've got to get cooking here. And there's apparently some teams open for business, and there's some teams that are willing to reveal information on injured players, and there's some teams that aren't. To get into it, here are the insiders, Darren Dregor, and Pierre LeBron. There they are.

Looking good, as always, great to see you guys. Dregs, why don't we start with that, the injury stuff? We had you in studio last week. You and C.J. were in there. We were talking about the Leafs and their injury problems, and Austin Matthews in particular. and still no word on if he'll even play tomorrow night. What do you make of that from Craig Barouba and where this goes if he doesn't play tomorrow?

Well, it goes to Friday on TSN when, you know, the Leaps obviously play the Washington Capitals. I think what the Maple Leafs are saying at this point and what Barabay said after their practice today was that they're not ruling them out for tomorrow for Wednesday's game. So, I mean, I guess they'll decide after the morning skate. It sounds like Matthew Nyes is closer. He seems likely to go. But I think it's the bigger picture issue, right? You know, you think of Anthony Stolars was expected to miss a game or two,

and this guy hasn't been on the ice for an extended window of time here. So look, I mean, it's an individual club thing. You don't have to disclose information. You don't have to disclose timeline. But I don't think that Greg Burube meets the media and then just randomly gives misinformation. I mean, he's dealing essentially day by day with the information that he has. He doesn't want to push Nyes because this is something that he's been working with and dealing with since training camp. And, you know, Austin Matthews, we know when he got hurt and they need him to be as close to 100% healthy as he can be.

Well, Pierre, where do you stand on, you know, I see her in your Cowboys gear there. and you know the way the NFL has operated for a long time. Transparency, got to tell people, got to let fans know what's going on. The NHL isn't there. I don't know if they ever will get there. Where do you stand on that? Do you think it's possible at some point the commissioner could be tipped and said, you've got to give more transparency here?

Yeah, to your point, I just read this afternoon that George Pickens will be playing Thursday for America's team, the Dallas Cowboys. Transparency, George Pickens, you know, I missed a few plays because of a lot. leg injury on Sunday. No, it's bugged me for a long time too. I think it's a very relevant conversation in particular you know,

the NHL has deals with legalized gambling companies and I think there should be more detail and more transparency in the way injuries are talked about in the NHL. And by the way,

it's interesting because Dregs knows this, but at the last GM meetings here in Toronto a couple weeks ago, one of the real interesting presentations, or at least GMs were telling us they thought it was really interesting, was from the NHL security director, Jared Maples, who talked to GMs about being careful about who they share injury news with, et cetera. And that conversation was in the scope of all of the stuff that you're seeing in other sports with some of the, you know, some of the gambling controversy. and investigations, et cetera. So my point is it's probably more paramount than ever, I think, for this type of information when coming from teams to be as transparent as possible for all kinds of reasons. Well, Dregs, I think there's some frustration in the fan base in Toronto here

because they need some of these guys back their season. It's like Hayes was talking about the mathematics that need to go down for the Leafs to get into the playoffs, moving forward, and if they don't get it together in the next two weeks or so, it could be game over for these guys, if they don't get some of these bodies back and start playing better.

Yeah, I mean the playing better part should be amplified because you know, with all due respect to Nyes and the Matthews and the Stolars and go down the list, it's not like these guys were at the top of their game before injury. There were moments where individually they were playing well, but

you know, the moments where the team was coming together collectively have been fewer and fewer. But look, if it was as easy as Bradford Living, you know, identifying, okay, well, here's player X out there that I think is going to help us. He would do that. He'd find a way to do that. But now we're talking about the reality of all these other teams, Vancouver being the most vocal in that process,

but it's difficult to find the right help. So back to Toronto when Matthews, if Matthews is back in the lineup on Wednesday, or if he's back in on TSN on Friday, he's got to find a way to deliver every single game. And likewise for the rest of the group, because the next man up routine in Toronto hasn't worked. It hasn't worked at all. It hasn't worked since game one.

Well, it's the reality of the league that, you know, trades, they don't seemingly happen much. Now, apparently our teams open for business. We'll get to that in a moment. I'm sure noodles you're about to jump in on that. Yeah. But what usually happens then is GMs come out and say, the only thing I can do is change the coach.

It's the only thing I can do. Treggs, do you get the impression that's even on the radar for Brad Troy Living right now? I don't. Not even on the radar. Now, I guess things can change relatively quickly, but I, look, and nor am I saying that there shouldn't be an element of responsibility on the head coach or the coaching staff. I mean, that's what Craig Barubei would expect, but not at the expense of his job, meaning that he feels that he still has time

and the coaching staff in general have time to do a better job. Inspire this team to play better because the words aren't working, right? The message sending hasn't worked to this point, but look, if there's finger pointing happening, then everybody deserves a mirror in their said office, including the general manager and those above, those above who decided that the only changes that were required we're to get rid of Brandon Chanahan.

Everybody is responsible in some way, shape, or form. I don't think this should all hang on Craig Barubi, and I don't get the sense that management feels that way either. Yeah, I agree. I think everybody has to own some of it. That's just – and I don't mind that because everybody's got to be a little bit better if Toronto's going to dig out of this. Pierre, I wanted to ask you, you know, do you get a sense that the marketplace is heating up?

I mean, you know, we are coming up on American Thanksgiving. teams are, you know, starting to internally have the meetings and then take a look at what they've got going so far. Is the market, you know, are we going to see a trade? Are we going to see a team maybe pull the trigger? And we've just talked about it. There are some teams that seem to be open for business right now. Are there phones ringing off the hook right now?

It's Vancouver. It's St. Louis. Is it Calgary? Is it, you know, Nashville, that type of thing. Yeah, noodles. I mean, listen, before you have trades, have to have teams that announce to the world that they're ready to do trades, and that's what we're starting to hear right now. So, you know, there's, you know, Dregs touched on this on the

early IT earlier today, and there's been other reporting on it that the Vancouver Canucks sent out a memo to other GMs about being open to listening and trading on their pending UFAs or veteran players. You know, the National Predators in Lost Place in the West, they are open to listening on their veteran players, depending on who it is. The St. Louis Blues were the first team to tell teams they were open for business a number of weeks ago, although not a whole lot has happened since then. Can you just explain to people listening, what does it mean when these teams say, like, it's just open for business?

Like, are they bluffing? Like, what the hell do they mean? Like, I think people hear the term, and it's like, just call us and we can make a deal. like I even I would like to know open for business what the hell does it mean so it depends on the team honestly I mean drags may have a different answer than me but but you know when when the when news surfaced that the blues were quote unquote open for business there are a lot of team executives that I talked to that weekend that said well you know I think that's strong strong just trying to send a message to his team

trying to wake them up again like he's done in the past although I do think they'd be open and doing different things. I think the Canucks, Patrick Alvin, sent a note to, you know, in the GM's group chat saying we'd listen on our pending UFAs. I think that was pretty straightforward. But to answer your question, though, I think there are some teams that kind of say that and want their players to find out about that, whereas there are other teams where it's a very genuine thing where they're like, let's, if you guys have interest, let's start these discussions now because it takes a while to make a trade fit and then make it materialize. Dregs, Quinn Hughes, where does he stand in all of this in Vancouver if they're open for

business, quote unquote? Yeah, I mean, he's still very invested. He's committed to winning in Vancouver, at least on the short term. And we know he's got this year and he's got one year remaining on his contract. And I think the responsibility is pretty obvious. Aside from this team needing to get healthy, and now there's news on Lankin, and he's out, he's had to take personal leave.

So it just keeps piling on the Vancouver Canucks. And you're talking about significant holes here, right? You've got goaltenders hurt, including the star. You've got a couple of centers who aren't available to them. You look at the Young D that the Vancouver Canucks have. It is a legit struggle. And that's why Packer Galvin is making these calls. and sending out memos and all of that.

But most of that is kind of ratchet it up because they know that the window is closing on Quinn Hughes. You know, if things don't approve for the Vancouver Cadux, and I mean for the remainder of the year, or even closer to the trade deadline, all bets are off, right? I think that that has to be the timeline that the Vancouver Canucks are working with. You know, if they go into the off season

and they've had a poor year, you know, don't you have to be prepared for Quinn's? Hughes to come to your organization and say, I know I've got one year left on my contract. I'm telling you, I'm not signing. So it might be in your best interest to, let's try to work something out now. Move me in this offseason, get the maximum return, whatever that is, probably from the New Jersey tells. Why not right now?

Whatever the target is. Why not now? Why wait? I think, yeah, because they think it's too early. They think it's too early. They feel like they're a hardworking team. Well, because they feel like the season shouldn't be thrown out to what. Well, that's your opinion.

It's okay for management, the coaching staff, the Vancouver Canucks, to have a different opinion than you sitting in your chair in your home studio. If we can allow for that, then that's the reality of what Vancouver is dealing with. I'm just saying they're not throwing this year out the window. Now, maybe they get closer to the trade deadline, and they've got a different opinion, and that conversation is on the table. well yeah i can add to that yeah go ahead you know the sorry brian the dilemma is so fascinating to me for vancouver the priority remains as dreg

said is to sign quinn use if they can't duh i mean he's the franchise one of the greatest players ever to play they can't sign him until july first but if you wait till july first and only then realize he's not signing if that's what ends up happening now you're into a process where maybe the best trade you get is with the team that he'll sign with, and that gets CAA, his representation involved. Whereas if you trade him before March 6th, you have none of that part involved. You're literally just saying to the rest of the league,

you get at least two playoff cracks with a top three defensemen in the world come and get him. Right. Again, they'd rather sign him. They'd rather sign Quinn Hughes. That's priority number one. But it's really interesting to me the timing of all this, because you can't sign them until the summer,

but you may get your best trade possible before March 6th. How do you figure that out? Yeah, well, that's the thing. I mean, you look at it, I'm just reading a stat from someone out in Vancouver. The Canucks have two regulation wins in the last 17 games. Like that's ugly, man. That is ugly. And Hughes is aware of it.

You mentioned all the injuries. That's a big, big factor, and they should try to keep them. Like, why wouldn't you? it's complicated like how do you get that answer because he's under no obligation to give it to you he doesn't have to give you an answer right right you the owner i'm sure would love to call him up and say do you want to stay or not he doesn't have to talk to you he's going to play he needs to he needs to give an effort which he will every single time he plays but he doesn't have to give you an answer on the future which makes it such a dichotomy and why it's so difficult and why

we've been through this song and dance with other players and other teams in the past um but i don't know it's it's dicey and and you look at the division they're in you know there there's some there's some really good teams the west is loaded you know Colorado they just keep winning and you know I happen to be in the bookmarks here where I saw that one connects connect stat I'm also looking at Mike Kelly's tweet from a couple days ago our buddy Mike Kelly who tweeted out that McKenzie Blackwood Scott Wedgewood back-to-back shutouts over the weekend as the abs improved to 161 and 5 one year ago today their goalie tandem was Georgiev and

Anunnin. Like one year ago they had two different guys, one who just cleared waivers. And if you're another team searching for goaltending, Edmonton Koff Koff, how do you not look at that and say, what the hell's going on here? Like, how do we not find that? You know, easier

to send it done, but Colorado did it. And look at the position they're in right now. The thing is that Colorado didn't, Blackwood was no good in the playoffs. That's the only thing that they changed their goaltenders out last year. And it didn't get him any farther in the playoffs that's the only thing okay now now do you think they regret their decision noodles i don't not right now but i'm saying i'm not saying that evmonton

shouldn't go and do what you're talking about what i'm saying is that it's not like that goaltending tandem last year that was no good wedgwood's having a great start to the season if he has to play 60 games you'll see a market reset he's not a one and and blackwood's a good goaltender that's injured but blackwood was available to them they'd Both were available in the playoffs last year. Didn't play that well. Put it that way. Okay.

Well, but I... Hellbuck didn't either. Like, what is that? I hear what you're saying. This is the point being is you can turn your goalies over. Colorado did it. It almost seems like it was lightning in a bottle haze. Maybe it was like everybody's probably looking around saying, how do I do that same thing?

It's just, it's not out there. They hit lightning and it's not happening. I think teams should change the goaltending. Like, I do believe Edmonton will. I do personally, but I just, like I say, both go, they might have two new goaltenders by the deadline anyways. They've got Ingram and the Miners, who's 28, who's a good goaltender, he's just getting back up to speed.

You know, Calvin Pickard played for his life the other night, and I thought he was awesome in Tampa. And, you know, Skinner was good against Florida. The thing about it is, I do believe there will be a different look at some point, but at the end of the day, like, you've got to find the right mix. I think UC Soros is awesome goaltender. He's been getting hung out to dry. I got pulled last night.

Hung out to dry in Nashville. I don't know how you guys feel the insiders. I do believe there should be trading. Like going through these teams, those four teams should be open for business. Maybe Jordan Bennington's available. Maybe U.C. Soros, you know, you've got to be bold, but you've got to give something up, too, right? Yeah, and there's history with the Oilers' interest in Jordan Bennington. whether or not, you know, Stan Bowman wants to revisit that.

We'll see. The problem, though, that I hear about on an annual basis, and it's almost around the quartermark every year, is, yeah, there's interest, but you have to have somebody to deal with. And, you know, if you're dealing with Doug Armstrong on Jordan Bennington, as an example, what are you willing to give to acquire that gold? You know, I mean, are you taking apart a young roster and giving pieces off your lineup?

Are you throwing in first-round drop picks? Because these teams, there are so many teams that feel that they're still in it. The only way you acquire a piece that matters, especially a goaltender, is if you're overpaying at this point. All right. Go ahead, Pierre. Yeah, and I know that when the orlers talked about whether there was a goalie upgrade out there before last year's trade deadline,

they just came to the conclusion that they couldn't see something that was tangibly 100% better than what they had in terms of what was available. You know, John Gibson was basically the only name available and there's no guarantee there. And so they didn't pull the trigger on that. So that's the hard part. I love the point you brought up about Colorado, Brian, because not only that they remake their goal-tending in-season, in fact, their Wedgwood trade was on November 30th last year. I interviewed Chris McFarland just a couple of days ago.

And, you know, the Avalanche actually retooled a third of their roster in-season a year ago. They kept making trade after trade, and they were a contender, and they got it done. And it didn't help them. They lost in the first round again to Dallas, but they look pretty darn good right now, one year later. Well, to add one more thing on that, the elephant in the room, they traded rantanin it. Like, we're talking to the goalies, they traded rantan it. Right. Like, that's the elephant in the room.

And this guy can't stop hitting people from behind. 16-1-5. 16-1-5. That's why they traded him. That's why they trade them. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, go Canucks Go, guys. Thanks for doing this.

Let's get going here. Good seeing you guys. Thank you for doing this. Derek, Pierre, Pier of the Run, our TSN Hockey Insiders. Now, Brian, you're right. I believe that Edmonton has to do something in net, and they are going to. I think there's better options this year than there were last year. And I think that's 100% valid.

Again, I'm using the Colorado exam. It's just so extreme. That they were like, this is untenable, it's a disaster, we have to change it. And they did. You know, like there's so much sitting on your hands in this league. Like, nah, don't want to do it. I don't know about that guy. Colorado's like, do it.

Yep, Rantan. Like, I don't know if it will lead to a cup. I'm not sitting there saying it will, but it has not led to them being a disaster. You know, they just keep chugging, and they're in a better position today. And it's crazy. Like, those are ballsy moves. Like, they trade it. Rantanin and both their goaltenders and other players, too.

And that's the whole thing. Like, oh, well, Marner, don't you want Marner? Ranton is just as good. They moved off him, and guess where Colorado is? So the least need to snap out of it. Not that they need to pick up shrapnel on that. Anyway, Johnny and confirmed coming up. Overdrive continues.

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Gifted to you by Sleep Country. I was thinking during the break about my Vancouver Canucks, and I just found it interesting how they can blast out a message that come check out our veteran players. At the same time, they still believe in this season. Yeah, they do. Well, you see Adam Foote? You want to hear from Adam Foote today? Yeah.

He had some wild comments. Here's what Adam Foote had to say about, I guess, anyone out there that might be doubting the Vancouver Canucks right now. There's a ton of things. I'm just positive, but there's a ton of things I'm real happy about. I mean, but, you know, I'm more happy with wins. but I'm not going to blow up a kid or something being overanalyzed by no disrespect, people that really don't know, but they're just looking at numbers from people that could be in Russia in a basement having cigarettes, cashews, telling their scoring chances.

So we're going to depend on our guys, you know, and really recognize what we believe has to be fixed and what doesn't. cigarettes and cashews is that a thing what does that happen out there and vodka you name the most important step Brian like what is it two wins and what two regulation wins in the last 17

games Vancouver that's kind of let you that will lead to cigarettes and cashews cigarettes and cashews like I don't know where the smoking and peanuts come in yeah just looking at expected

goals here while I pop some cashews And have a dart. And have a dart. I love it. But, yeah, they're in one. Listen, they're not alone. There's a lot of, like, these Canadian teams, you look at Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto. Like I was looking at it today.

Again, everyone's played a different amount of games, so it's a little bit misleading. But if you just simply look at points, there's one team in the top half of the league in it's Ottawa. Brian, the bottom line is everyone, there's big jobs at stake. Everyone's just afraid to say that we stink, which a lot of them do. They stink. Stanks, sorry. Right now they do, yep. Yes, they do.

And listen, Patterson continues to do Patterson things, and, you know, it's a problem right now. All right. Mike Johnson on this and more, confirmed coming up. Rappers with another win last night. And Thanksgiving, right around the corner, three big games. Who's going to be calling them? We'll find out. Overdrive continues.

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