OverDrive - OverDrive - November 3, 2025 - Hour 1 - Frank Corrado

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Blue Jays losing in the World Series to the Dodgers, the elements leading to the defeat in Game 7, Miguel Rojas and Will Smith's heroic home runs, the Blue Jays' next steps for the franchise and how the team will approach their additions. TSN Hockey Analyst Frank Corrado joins to discuss the Maple Leafs' team identity, Chris Tanev's injury issues and Easton Cowan's advancement on the roster.

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This hour of overdrive is powered by Fandul. Fanduil, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, Overdrive, Off and Running, TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker up on TSN4, Brian Hayes, the O'Dog, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennett. What's going on today? What's going on today? On a Monday, here we are on a Monday. I love it.

I thought about your Jays last night, Hazy-B, as I was watching Gull. golf of all things. Oh, yeah? I wanted to unplug, and I just, there was a Tiger Marathon on last night on the Golf Channel, of him just destroying everyone. It's called Tiger 2000, in the year 2000, every tournament he teed up. And he gets to the PGA, and there's stinky little Bob May. Bob May's like 5'7.

He's got like a brown belt on brown dress pants and brown golf shorts. and brown golf shoes and this gigantic baggy white golf shirt and I thought that that was the Jays because Bob May's like down the middle and he's on the green

and he makes a five foot pot and then Tiger Woods was just did not have his A game and Bob May looked at him after and was like how in the hell did that guy beat me man? He didn't even have his best stuff and he still beat me the Js are Bob

May. They looked at the Dodgers and they were like, they didn't even have their best stuff and they won the championship. How did that happen? I don't know if Bob May is the The J's are Bob May. The Jays are not Bob May. They are. Yeah, they are. Dude, Bob May was incredible, man. Bob May played the best golf of his life. The best Bob May could ever do in his entire life and afterward Tiger Woods suck out his hand he's like Bobby boy take a lap okay I'm not a big talk about Bobby boy you get nothing I guess how many times you heard from old Bobby May after that never again you'd never even heard of him Hayes you've never I remember that story Bob May I remember 245 off the T right down the middle six irons into greens

where tiger's golf balls were hitting cart paths and running down cart paths. That was the, that's where they went to the playoff and he walked it in and he did the point. He pointed out Bobby May. Yes. Valhalla. PGA. Yeah. Stinky hold Bob May.

The Jays are Bob May. They're not Bob May. Dude, they are. Stop saying that. The Jays are not Bob May. They are. I told you guys. Just a little thing.

For everybody that thinks they weren't like the, they were the underdog, sorry. When the other team doesn't even play their best and they still win, you're the underdog. They were the underdog. They were the underdog. underdog. But they did get some, they did get some great performances. Like Yamamoto won games, two, six, and seven. You're not supposed to physically do that at baseball.

Yamamoto is Tiger's putter. Yamamoto is Tiger's putter in the pointing. That's Yamamoto. I just, I've, you guys know me. I'm not a huge golfer. I've never heard of Bob May ever in my lifetime. This is the first time, but I've heard of Vladimir Guerrero Jr. I've heard of, you know, Shane Bieber.

I've heard of guys like that. Sure, sir. You get my gist of what I'm saying. The Js are like Bobby May. Well, okay, I understand what you're alluding to. Now, I guess, you know, this is a challenge to the Blue Jays. Don't be Bob May. Yes, don't disappear.

Yes, turn this into a scenario where you're maybe Sergio Garcia, or Sergio famously went back and forth with Tiger. Was that in 99, I think it was? And, yeah, it took him a while, but, you know, He got his green jacket, I think, in 2016 or whatever, and Sergio won a bunch of Ryder Cups, and, you know, he's a great player. Yeah, the reality is we've all been looking at this World Series through the lens of the Blue Jays, which is natural.

It's our hometown. This is where we are. This is the team we've been following. I think what you're trying to say, you're trying. Stinky bum. what you're trying to get to is if you allow yourself to look through the lens of the Dodgers, this elevated their legacy even more than you could ever imagine

because now they're the no-quit Dodgers. Now they're the team that didn't quit. They're the team that maybe didn't have the race stuff. And that was always the viewpoint out of L.A. But I will say this, that got loud after game five. You know, I don't remember people in L.A. saying that Dodgers didn't have their stuff after game three, right? When Freeman walked them off in the 18th inning, I don't remember people saying, well, we're only hitting 200 and we're not even playing well, and our stars aren't even. It became very convenient for Dodger fans when they thought they were going to lose because they did.

All of them at the parade today, all of them, I guarantee you, thought this is where Dodgers are going to lose. That that's when that narrative started picking up. You know, Mookie's not playing great. You know, Snell's been getting hit all of a sudden. Deeper in the lineup, no one's getting big hits. Kike Hernandez, Mr. October in the past, couldn't do anything, et cetera, et cetera, but in the end, yeah, the Dodgers, they've gone back to back, and they just won what many people are considering the greatest world series ever,

and they're victorious, and they will be remembered. You know, like, the reality is, you know, no one remembers who lost. That's right. You know, like, it just, that's the truth, and that's what sucks. And like Tiger, they're not going anywhere for a little while. Otani and a lot of their main pieces are locked up. And what they've proven is, if they do have their A game, watch out, because they will slaughter you like they did to Cincy,

like they did to Philly, and like they did to Milwaukee. They kind of slacked off a little bit, didn't have their best stuff. Well, the Js were stinking old body, man. I mean, the Jays played very well. Yeah, the Jays were great defensively. The Jays across the board, they played very well, and they just couldn't get it done. And the nature of baseball, in some ways, similar to golf, actually, I guess it's exactly similar. There's no clock.

You can't sit there and say, just hold on, 10, 9, 8, like there's no clock. So it can turn on you immediately. You know, in golf, one bad hole, one bad shot, and everything changes. The same thing in baseball. Like, in game six, bottom of the ninth, everyone's thinking they're going to win. Like, they're actually going to second and third nobody out. And then bang, bang, bang. 90 seconds later you're leaving the park saying, what the hell just happened?

They lost. And the same thing on Saturday night, game seven, where, you know, Isaiah Kinafalef is running for home. You're thinking they've done it. Like, they're going to win the World Series. and then Clement hits that ball the deep left field and you're thinking it's over they're going to win the World Series and they didn't

and that's what's been kind of incredible to me I'm sure you guys have had the same experience everyone I'm talking to over the last 48 hours it's the exact same thing I still can't believe they lost I can't believe the Blue Jays

lost and that's what makes this so heartbreaking is in order for you to get to a point where you can't believe it, that means you believed it with 100% certainty it was going to happen. That's what makes the heartbreak. That's why when we talk about, would it be easier just to get swept, the reason it's easier is because your heart isn't broken because you never believed. Yeah, you didn't build it up in your head.

You didn't build it up, right? Exactly. You're like, well, they just, after game two, I knew it was done. So game three was a formality, game four I didn't even watch. Right. What makes this everlasting and what's going to make it, I think, remembered more in a heartbreaking fashion than in a positive i enjoyed the ride fashion and both can be true and both will be true i think with everyone because there were great great moments

that will never be forgotten is that even the eternal pessimist allowed himself to believe they were going to win you thought they'd win and they didn't and you still can't believe they didn't win and now the Dodgers have their In summary, you don't like my Bobby May comparison. You don't even think it's... Well, Bob May, like the Jays, again, won the World Series in 92, 93. Bob May doesn't

have back-to-back. It doesn't matter. We're not talking about past track records. It's stinky old Bob May. No. What is Bob May ticket bullet? The Jays won the ALE East. Dude, they won 94 games this year. Dude, stinky old Bob May used to beat Tiger Woods and junior

comps. Who cares? Who cares? Because he's seven years older than him. Pull up Bob May's track record. See if he's done anything. I don't think Bob May's done anything. What is Bob May done to get so many bullets here? It doesn't matter. Someone's going to text Bob May and say, you've got to see these idiots in Canada.

They're destroying you. No one's destroyed. It's just, I felt, it felt the same. I just saw a little Bob May stick out his Weasley little arm, and Tiger was just like, sorry, man. sorry Bobby and take a lap all you're at it and his caddy with his mustache you take a lap too and who's that john schneider who's the caddy with the mustache yes i guess so i guess john sider was bob may's caddy where i thought you were going to go with you get a picture of bob may's catty yeah where i thought you were going to go is this smelled more like the florida panthers you

know because the dodgers weren't great in the regular season kind of just oh hum whatever wherever we plays were fine you know like this in a back-to-back situations you know had their backs up against the wall against Toronto game seven you know they want it differently but I just like this smelled more of Florida's pathway to a championship than stinky old Bob May type of thing I think you're right and especially with the regular season like they didn't they started on the road in the like in the wild card you know like they went to Milwaukee obviously to Toronto they went to philly you know they were they they just got in and there's pop may i got his i got his see it later well i have his career stats at the majors yeah and that was in

2000 he finished second at the pGA his career high at the open championship is t-11 his career high at the u.s open uh i believe is a t-23 and at the master's a t-4 So no tour wins for Bobby. Well, I'm sure he won some, I was just looking at the majors. Look good at the Bell Canadian Open in 06, second finish. Yeah, he won, he got a European tour event. It's not a long list of success for stinky old Bob May. He's catty.

He's so pissed at him. He didn't beat Tiger in the play. Well, what it really illustrates. is how much your life changes if you win. Yeah. Right. And how when the rich get richer, it's really frustrating because Tiger didn't need to beat Bob May. Right.

He didn't need to beat Bob May. Obviously, he's a competitor. He didn't need to beat all of them. He had this little Stephen Ames was chirping him. Poor Stephen Ames. That guy chirped him and said, this Tiger Woods is hitting it all over the yard right now, and he went out there and beat Stephen Ames, 9 and 8. 10 and 8.

Sorry, 10 and 8, and stuck out his hand and said, how do you like that for hitting it all over the yard? Yeah. Goodbye. He literally beat him 10 straight holes, which is borderline impossible in matchplay. That's just making him eat his sport. Right. While accounts, the Dodgers weren't chirping the Js before the series or during the series. But there's no consolation in that.

It's tough to take down the bed. He did it to this guy named Matt Gogle. at Pebble Beach. Matt Gogol's leading Pebble Beach, and all of a sudden in front of him, Tiger Woods started birdying every hole, and you could see the panic in Gogol's face. He started crumbling down the stretch.

Tiger Woods wins a tournament. It was an incredible, it was a nice break from the stress of the World Series, just Tiger winning everything. But the Jays didn't crumble. I know, I know, I know, but it was just like the great, the greatness seems to always, you're right so what

Brian if you had to sum all of this up where was your TSN turning point is it too fresh is it like is it game six is there somewhere is there a play that you could point to and go that changed the fortunes was it barger getting picked off is it the pages catch

I think it's for me it's still so fresh and things will change over time I'd probably have to lean the Rojas his home run in the ninth you know like that ties it you're two outs away you get the nine hitter up when you're looking at you're looking to show hey going let's get this guy out of the way right that was kind of the belief it's almost like just strike this guy out and you know rojas he saved them like that's the that's the incredible thing again if you put back on your

dodgers glasses that that was a nine hitter that he won't have his jersey retired there's no statues built for him right but Miguel Rojas kept the dynasty alive kept the street going unsung hero unsung hero and you know that might be unfair to Hoffman because Bieber like

the home run he gave up to Will Smith go back and watch that pitch dude it's a pumpkin down the middle at 84 absolutely incredible how awful that pitch was like you feel for Bieber but that's a hanging middle middle

matzabal that Will Smith tattooed and you know it was 84 miles an hour middle right over the middle

of the plate and yeah stinky old Bob May takes that one yard Bob May you get Bob May in that gear

in his golf gear and his cleats he goes yard on that that little weasel and his catty wood too yeah he probably

he probably does so yeah and then i think the you know the kind of flea for slide the like everyone's now isolated the you know the the slow motion smith his foot coming up and then going back down on the plate and i kf sliding in and it's milliseconds away from winning the world series you know it's like two inches away from the world series and that'll be a clearly a lasting image that people will never forget it is crazy he did come up I remember thinking he's going to get called safe. They're going to overturn it. And then I think Buck is like, no, I got it back down.

He was like, oh, my God. He did. The thing about that is Varsho is up to bat, and I understand because a lot of Major League, credible baseball players are chiming in on that saying, that's the protocol. But with Varsho up there being a left-handed bat, how many times is he going to line one out to Max Muncie at third

and get doubled off? what's the probability of that like never like the way he hits that that's my only thing about the probability of him lining one out to the left side of the infield and getting doubled off it just makes you wonder like wasn't there just a little bit and you're going to ask yourself your whole there's going to be breakdowns of him the whole thing his effort level like the the actual running it was that's going to be broken down for years yeah yeah years because that was hit you know i wouldn't say deep into the infield but it wasn't like uh you know it wasn't the dodger player didn't charge the ball like he had to reset and and throw it it was a great

throw and credit the dodgers because they executed you know like they executed in every situation but you're right i've noticed that too like the brotherhood of of major league baseball is coming to the defense of kina fela and the blue j staff who i'm sure you know the third base coach would have been on them this is what you do we don't want you getting picked off or doubled off like you said there's a line drive anywhere in the infield but it was a tie game and it it kind of brings up you know gut instinct and maybe we're thinking of it through the lens of like Hollywood and the major league theme song but just take a little bit more of a lead and take off you know like just gamble a little bit to win the world series and it didn't happen safe is death that's really what

it is it comes back down to it is when you try and play safe you know eventually and it might have been because of the barger situation the game before right a little bit more safe and and and you had it right there you're 90 feet away now you know they it just the dodgers at that point made a great play as well like it's not like you know they they knew what was coming it just it sucks but there's so many different things that we can pull from this like just you know you're that close, frustrating the fan. You talk to every fan today, though.

Everybody that I've talked to loved the ride. They're sad, but they're like, man, what a ride. Like, you don't get that elation. They don't deserve a parade, though, Jamie. People are saying, give them a parade. Oh, no, no. No, there's no parade.

There's no runner-up parade. I'm sorry. I don't believe in that. But I do, I think from a fans' perspective, I could be wrong, because I'm a little bit more, you know, I'm not as big as super fan. but, like, people enjoyed this ride for two months. How could you not?

Like, just... Yeah, you'd never give it back. You'd never give it back. Even with the heartbreak and all that, you'd never give it back because it was just an awesome, you know, six weeks. We talked about it yesterday. Like, it was just an incredible... The final 10, 12 games of the regular season

where the Yankees are on their heels and they're chasing down the American League East all the way up until the last out on Saturday night, it was just an incredible run. And it's captivating, it's, you know, there's civic pride, there's everyone's connected to it. You know, people that aren't sports fans, that aren't baseball fans, Blue Jay fans, they get involved. What's going on? What's the score?

You know, and it was awesome. It was a great ride. And the players, you know, they all should be incredibly proud of themselves. They will be. The organization did an amazing job. The fans showed up. It was awesome. But you turn the page over.

And now you get into the offseason, and it happens quick. You know, free agency's right around the corner. The winter meetings right around the corner. Like, it happens quickly. You're going to see action soon. And, you know, the jaded nature of sports fans immediately are thinking, well, what are the Dodgers going to do next? Dude, no kidding.

Like, let me guess. And the baseball off season is a little weird, Hayes. It's like it happens quickly, but it's almost like this. Well, it can slow roll, too. There are guys that get all the way to spring training that aren't signed big names. Yeah. That does happen. And Breggman's an example.

I think Breggman went right till training camp last year. Scherzer as well. Now, Scherzer is a bit different because of his age, but still, he was late. And, you know, what happens with Bichette? Kyle Tucker's the biggest name on the market. Where does he end up going? Terrick Scouble could be traded by the Tigers. If they're not going to pay him, they very well could trade him.

That's a Cy Young winner. That's maybe the best arm in baseball. Scoob's available. Do the Dodgers go trade for him? him and then give him $400 million. If they do that, then it's... But it wouldn't shock me if they did. I wouldn't be shocked.

It's either them or the Yankees that are going to get them. More than likely, but this is what I'm getting to. Why not the Jays? Couldn't the Jays put their hand up and say... Why can't you pay a guy $400 million? You know much money they just made in the last six weeks? They can pay them. They can pay them.

You want to run with the big dogs and not be Bob May? You've got to go out there and be in the mix for a guy like Terrick Scoobl. And a guy like Kyle Tucker. Let's get hoodies. Don't be Bob May. And in order to do that, because the Jays spend money, they spend money. And now, maybe they don't want to give up the assets, and maybe the Tigers don't trade them. Maybe he stays there forever.

But if it gets to a point where they go to the winter meetings and the reports are out there from Haysenthal and everyone else, that Scoobel's available and he will be traded and whoever is acquiring him will likely sign him long term. Now, maybe Scoobo won't agree to that. Get in the front of the line, man. Get active. Get crazy. And that would be my message to the front office. get back to work

because you got a taste of it here you've got a really good framework I'm doing what I can to keep Bo Bichette like I am doing what I can to keep Bo Bichette I think Bichette genuinely would want to stay it's going to cost money he's 27 years old he's still in his prime he's a big bat

you know if you're relying on or expecting some regression from certain guys you know I think Springer's a name that people would point to at 36 does he have the exact exact same season next year as he had this year. I think that's asking a lot.

Bob Bouchette just had a phenomenal year and a great world series on one leg. So I'm doing what I can to keep both. I'm doing what I can to get in the chats with Tucker and get in the chats with Scoobel. Get crazy. Get crazy and keep going. And I think if they don't do that, it would be a disservice to the fans who all showed up. And I think they saw it. I would guess ownership is probably more ambitious than ever.

That would be a thing. keep the hype train going if you're in on a couple of the top guys and you don't let them get away this time and you say okay we're one of the big boys now too but it'd be awfully difficult to do with money is what's going to get it done though you know like money is i totally get that yeah like scoble's different because you'd have to have the pieces and you'd have to make trades and you know that that might be pie in the sky stuff but let's say it's let's say it's Tucker let's say he's sitting there saying i i'm simply going who's paying me yeah well but There used to be like a Blue J tax.

Like George Springer, I believe, his deal, there was a Blue J tax. There was an extra year at $26 million on it, and that's what they had to do to get it. I hear you. It still might exist, though. Pay it. Oh, no kidding. Just because everybody's in love with Toronto right now, it doesn't mean if a guy's picking over the Dodgers or the Yankees, there still might be, it might be $450 instead of $400.

Who the hell knows what it might be? But it might be out there. It probably is, regardless of this run or not, you're looking at the country. you're looking at, you know, not every city, not every situation is desirable in all of these leagues. So you still might have to pay that, we'll call it the Blue J tax, but to Brian's point, they can afford it. And they've gone big game hunting. They haven't been able to land, you know, the last couple, but doesn't mean they haven't landed guys before, you know? That's right.

Like, Springer was a big, you know, acquisition, like he was a big get. You know, so to me, they'll be able to get guys. It's just who. And, you know, what are you either willing to pay or give up for assets if you have to trade for somebody big? Well, and also, you know, listen, it's still a business. It's still about money. Like you said, there are some guys who want to play here, some guys who don't. Some players that want to play in New York, some that don't.

Some want to play in L.A., some don't. You know, some want big markets, someone small. You know, everyone's a little bit different. but I think what this has changed is the ability even for the guys in the middle which would be Atkins and Shapiro to sell to the guy at the top, the owner, that you got to pay that tax.

Right. You know, like they, by all accounts, the owner was willing to do it for Otani to an extent for Soto, although I don't think they ever got close to the numbers that Soto ended up getting from New York. And that might have been because the owner was like, well, are we really that close?

Like you guys keep telling me that, You go out and prove that we're actually close. Well, they lost in the 11th inning of Game 7 in the World Series. You can't be any closer. No team has ever been closer than that. So that barrier, I think, dropped, and that's an important one. Not as much about the other players and free agencies in their viewpoint. The barrier between management and the owner may have adjusted,

where the owner is, hey, let's get crazy here. Let's have a three-year window where you spend like the Mets. does he have the stomach for it we'll see i don't know i think you would but if he does they can't because there are guys that might say hey i'd kind of rather be here but this team's offering me 50 million dollars done i'm taking it thank you you know and that's like yamamoto's an example the yankees offered him 300 or whatever and thought well that's enough this guy's a free agent from japan he's never been over here 300 million dodgers so will give you 352 done thank you 52 million dollars i'll take it maybe he was going to la anyway yeah but you might have been

52 million's 52 million fine the 52 million all right frankie carrato coming up leaps 6 5 and 1 6 5 and 1 turn the corner everything's good turn to corner um we'll get into what happened on saturday we'll tee up the game tonight with the pens in town your penguins your penguins are in town they had a tough loss against winnipeg but i just don't never count them out okay never count them out Frankie's coming up on that there's a lot going on in the NHL we got to play the McDavid

clip too after the game about I told you I told you guys yesterday you were laughing about it I'm like this guy like they were playing the game like the Blue Jays game on the Jumbo Tron during the game they did it by the way PSA you got to have

you got to have transportation for people leaving the ball yeah there's no kidding there was some negative stuff let's get serious here biggest event the city's had in years and you know again like we said there's no clock it could go on forever they could have played 20 innings what are people going to do downtown at two in the morning sorry tc's closed and the go train just leave the park so you can jump on the on the train you know just the lack of foresight just absolutely absurd but they had a big meeting today so that was important yeah

they're going to fix it in the future it might be 30 years down the road yeah next time we We won't. Next time we'll realize the magnitude of the World Series. Like game 70s crept up on you. Next year, we'll figure it out. We'll get to it next time. All right. Frankie coming up. Luke coming up.

Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. All right, Luke Wilson coming up in half an hour on a pretty crazy Sunday in the NFL Monday night or tonight. Dallas, Arizona. Overdrive continues. Brought to you by Fandul, bringing you more ways to play your game your way. We're streaming live, of course, up on YouTube live on TSN's YouTube channel. We did a little emergency show yesterday morning, which was awesome.

And you can find that on YouTube. You can find it wherever you get your podcasts. And I was so exhausted, man. I saw some of the clips. Dude, I looked horrible yesterday. Stumbie. You had your hat on your cross-eyed and you're, you did well, though. I tried.

I tried my hardest, but I was at no sleep. Yeah, your voice, you could tell. Your voice was shot, too. Like, you were like, you had on fears. Yeah, but I had the Cabot hat on. Shout out to Cabot, right, out east. Love that voice. Great stuff.

Great stuff. Great stuff. But we turned the page. You know, more on the Jays, obviously, throughout the day and throughout the week. But now it's the opportunity for the team right down the street, right down Bremner, for the Leafs to come alive. And to chat about the Leafs and other stuff going on throughout the NHL. Here's our good buddy, Frankie Carado. joining us now. What's happening, Frankie?

What's up, boys? Man, that light, it's a little bright. I might have to turn it down or something. It's looking weird. Did you guys, by the way, you guys did the emergency show on the weekend. Did you guys see the thumbnail they used on YouTube? Are you aware of what's going on in that thing? No, I didn't pick up on that. So Hayes has like blue steel going. He looks like he's doing the pouty lips or whatever. And Noodles has the Brandon Tanna face. And I can't, for the life me figure out why noodles is making Brandon Tanna face. Oh, yeah. Look at, what is that, noodles?

I don't know. What the hell is that picture? That is the thing is. I don't know what that is. Yeah. And O kind of looks like he's got a little, is it a little cookie duster he's got there? Yeah, it doesn't even look like. It's kind of, yeah.

It doesn't even look like just so simple not to screw that pickup. For some reason, whoever did that. Had to go and get some different picks. It's just, I don't know. There are some stock picks that would have been so easy, or none, or none. I support that pick. I like that pick. Yeah, I look like a professional journalist, like that means a lot of business in that pick.

I like that one. I look like I just got tased. It's ridiculous. I don't know what's going on. I'm glad you picked up on that. I didn't even notice that. I like that shot of noodles, though. I think, honestly, I kind of think Hayes picked all that because he looks like he's doing

pouty lips like he's red. Walk in the runway or something. Oh, he's got that all covered, Frankie. When he went to the Raps game, he told the camera guy, I'm going to look at you and give you a wink. And when I do that, wheel by, and I'm going to give a blue steel for the ages. And he got it.

He got what he wanted. That is my most famous moment. That is my most famous moment. Courts out of the Rapper game. My favorite picture is still the U and O dog where O looked like your dad. It was 35 years old in the picture. Yeah, down at the alumni box. Elf from Mel Matt.

Yeah, me and Elf watching the lease play. And maybe we'll do that tonight because, you know, the pens are in town and are you buying Pittsburgh stock, Frankie? Because O'Dog is a true believer. Where do you stand on the pens? It's been a great start for the penguins, but a lot of it is propped up on goaltending. Like Archer Shilovs and Tristan Jari, like Jari has turned back the clock a little bit and he's playing outstanding.

Sheelovs has been great. The other thing is, and this is something. that's not news to Penguins fans is that Gino Malcon still has it. Crosby still has it. But at some point that the dam is going to break a little bit, but they're not going to be, like, they're not going to be the bottom feeder

team that I think a lot of people thought, like just sell off all the assets and you're going to finish dead last place. They're better than that. Are they going to be in the playoff mix? We'll see. Like that remains what if it crumbles, though, Frankie? Like, I'll ask all of you, what do they do if it crumbles just around Christmas time and afterwards

go ahead, Frankie and all the end up. I would put it to you this way. They will, if someone like Malkin, who's on an expiring contract, they can still make a deal to move on from it. That would be pretty monumental to move on from a player that's been there. And they can still be a decent enough team that they're in some kind of mix. You know, like we've used that term a lot over the past few years. I don't think they're going to do anything to mortgage their long-term future

to say, we just got to make the playoffs this year and give them. at one last run. Like, they've gotten themselves to this point where they've got some young pieces that are playing, like the Kindle Kid, the Brunich defensemen, they're really good. They're young, though, but they shouldn't do anything to mortgage their future. My biggest question is, this was the only team in the offseason that was open for business, flat out. Like, you talk to managers, it's like, okay, this, outside of Sydney, whatever he's going

to do with his future, everyone else seemed to be available. and, you know, Raquel is injured, so that one puts a wrench into, you know, people potentially acquiring him or paying a King's ransom for him. Brian Russ controls his contract, but, you know, he was apparently available. Again, this is just hearsay, but I believe the people that I talk to. Does their thought process change with, you know, now you're 20 games in, 30 games in, and like you say, Frankie, maybe you have a market. correction, but you're still in the mix.

Does Kyle go, if somebody comes knocking for Raquel, do you go, okay, I'll move them because I'm building for the future here, or does he say, you know what, give me another couple months and I'll move him at the deadline? Because there might be teams that want to be proactive right now to try and separate themselves from the pack. Yeah. Well, and if you've followed the teams that are looking for center iceman, especially, like Raquel can play wing, he can play center.

Evgeny Malkin, of course, center iceman. Everyone's looking for one. 27 teams need a second-line center, and it's just not available. So if you have it in Pittsburgh and you can get something that's going to help you, whether it's a prospect or a young guy who's on an NHL roster, not talking picks, right? Like, that's not going to do them any good to be better in the next three, four years. I think the prices to acquire players that they currently have on their roster are going up,

especially when you see Malkin, you know, kind of skating and playmaking the way that he is right now. It's been a good, you know, good piece of news for the Penguins, if you want to call it. Yeah, it's been a great start, like, to their credit. And it's interesting in the East, there's four teams that have separated, four teams at 18 points. The halves, the Devils, the Penguins, Detroit. No one saw that. Maybe Detroit or maybe New Jersey. Like maybe the Devils were a team that could come out hot.

but everyone else has either 13 or 14 points like 12 of the teams in the east are one game away from completely flipping everything which is where again the leaves come into play it's 6 5 and 1 and it's the sky is falling you know what an awful starts they look terrible division man but that's my point is like even the guys at the top like if the four teams at the top were florida Tampa Washington Carolina you'd be like like, all right, well, the teams from last year are doing it again, why aren't you? None of those teams are doing that. And you know, on Saturday, a lot of people were preoccupied with what the Jays were doing, but the Leaves played well. You know, they played well, but they lost Tannove.

And that's what is really the story of the game for me is what happens with Chris Tannave, and we don't have an answer on that. But it's very scary stuff when a guy leaves on a stretcher. You know, he just got back from a concussion. You can't replace them,

But how do they survive without them if TANF's going to be out long term? It's hard, man, because that's the guy that eats up all your big minutes against tough competition. And the team's not defending well right now. Like, they're not. They've been leaky. Now, Saturday's night's game is a different story. But how do you get by? It was already, it was not thin on name value, but it was thin on guys that could really do something that were different, right?

Like, it's a lot of the same kind of slow boots, have some issues moving the pie. Huck, like Morgan Riley gets on the ice and he can make something happen offensively, especially when he's on the ice with Matthews' line. But it's a big issue, man. You know, how did they replace Chris Tanev before they had him? It was tough. They really needed a player like Tanev being able to put him out there in penalty kill situations, blocking shots.

Like, one of the things that really goes under the radar as far as Tanev is concerned, and it hasn't been as great this year, you know, maybe in years past, but the ability to break pucks out clean, you know, draw in a forechecker and slide it under someone's stick and hit the middle of the ice. Something TANF does really well, but, you know, not having him and then having him for, you know, he's not getting any younger. It's been tough. It's been tough. Like, you just, you need more out of Jake McCabe. You need way more out of Oliver Ekman-Larsen, way more out of Brandon Carlo.

It's just, it's cliche, but it's true. Like, those are the guys that can make a difference. If you're asking more from Simone Benoit or Philippe Myers, just not sure you can get that much more from those guys. They kind of are what they are at this point. You're goalie, right, noodles? I don't know when Wall's coming back. I haven't heard anything on that front.

Apparently, he's been around the team skating, being in shape, but I still think he's probably a conditioning stint with the Marley's. You're not just going to step right back in. This guy missed training camp, everything. I think it's a conditioning stint, and then he comes back up. that hit in watching the game like it wasn't it was you know from behind he skated back in but it wasn't like disaggregious like it was really a weird hit like i don't know how you guys it's an accident you see hits like that when i think prongs one of his last hits was in philadelphia

too yeah and it didn't seem like just a crazy hit it was like kind of a nothing hit and then all a sudden guys are gone yeah scary stuff man that was scary remind you of remember musin musson had those couple concussions and then he took that one last one where you're like that didn't seem like much but it just kind of had compounded at that point right that's the thing that scares you that's what's concerning and yeah you know remember jake mccabe the same thing i think it was last year he left a couple different times maybe two years ago yeah and like back to back concussions in short order now he's back and playing and you hope for the same from tann of but the muzzan example is a good one but it's a scary one that it just they accumulated too much and and it got to a point where he couldn't trust, you know, his own body, you know, and if he got hit, even if it wasn't an egregious hit, it may not work for him. So, yeah, I mean, we'll see because, yeah, TANF, he's not going to play anytime soon. And we always focus on the acquisition of maybe a top six winger, maybe a centerman. Well, it could be a defenseman if Tano's not going to play for a while.

See, the stretcher thing really, like, rattled me because I was like, We all know TANFs had issues with the shoulder, with the head, everything. This guy's an absolute warrior, like absolute warrior. Nails. He's nails, noodles. And one of the best humans you'll ever meet. Yeah. But, like, I was like, you know, that, he ran into a fire hydrant, too.

That kid is not fading away to a mountain. That kid is already looks a little thick right now. But the point being, he, I thought it was his shoulder. Like, I was like, okay, weird, he's going to have to get up and skate. it off but maybe he popped a shoulder out and then when the stretcher came out i was i was like genuinely concerned you're sitting there going that is that's not right he's not moving he's not you know that he did give the thumbs up yeah definitely brings it to a different level is it reported hayes that it is long term like he's come now there's been no updates just that he's back

in toronto but you know i'm just i think it's safe to say you anticipate he's not playing for quite some time especially when it's the second one in in what second one in two three weeks I thought they put him on LTIR. Did they not? Yeah, he's on IR for sure. I don't know the exact specifics of it, but he's not playing. Let's put it that way. He's not playing for a while, and we'll see what comes of it.

But on Saturday, Houston Cowan got his first NHO goal, and it was a beauty. Like, it was a beauty, a really nice play by Tavares, which I think is really cool because this kid is in the league for 15 years. Then when he retires, someone's going to ask him, who says? set up your first goal, and Tavares is going to be like 53 years old at that point. You know, and say, oh, it was John Tavares. Really? John Tavaris? Yeah, I guess so. But that, you know, I don't know if that's a goal scorer's goal. Oh, what do you think of it? Like, it's a good shot, man. And he's on the board, and it looks like he might play on the

second line tonight. Like, he's still an interesting part of the conversation of what happens with Easton Cowan the rest of the way. He should be here. It's obviously a good goal, guys, but I think you see from that shot where Johnny talked about it, like to shoot the puck in the National Hockey League and be goal-tenders, that's kind of maybe he's got to get a little more tighter to the net than most guys. Like you saw Matthew shot, it seemed to be

a little bit more from distance, and it's like that extra 10 or 15 feet for guys that shoot the puck, there's only 10, maybe 15 guys in the league that can blow up by goalies from distance. Yeah. Like you're talking about the Lidar was no good. I mean, that Robertson goal was terrible. Like

there's a reason why Lidar got lifted. He was terrible. But the bottom line is with this guy, seems like he's going to have to, maybe he's just going to have to get in tight to beat goalies, but it's a good start, and the timing was perfect, because when you get around 10 games, you're like, am I ever going to start doing something that looks like I'm a player here? So hopefully he can gain some confidence in it, because if it goes on longer than that, you're like, what the hell am I doing out there?

I kind of like the, the progression of Easton Cowan is good, though, because it's not like he came out of the gate soaring high and had all the production right away, and then he tailed off and then was spinning his wheels trying to find it. It was almost like a little bit of a slow burn where you kept him out of the lineup, threw him in the press box just so he could see what's going on. Then he gets a few reps and then he looks again.

Do I have more time with the puck than I think? Can I make the plays that I normally make? You know, how much pressure do I really have on me? All those things are really important when you're trying to feel out the NHL and the differences of where you're coming from. And for me, Cowan's doing a better job

and he just brings a little energy into this lineup where it does, like, it does feel stale watching the Toronto Maple Leafs right now. Yes, they're big. Yes, they're heavy, but they're slow-booted, and Cowan brings a little bit of that, like, Energizer Bunny, which he should bring at such a young age, and he's going to have the skill to make plays, and if you put him in a position with a guy like John Tavares, he's going to have good enough insulation that, you know, if a puck gets bobbled in the wall on his own zone, like, he's going to be okay. There's going to be someone that can make up for it. I think the progression of Cowan is, it feels appropriate for like longevity.

Not that you came in, guns ablaze in, and then you fizzled out. Like, it's, I like the slow cook that he's had so far this year. Yeah, and he's played basically everywhere up the lineup, you know, and he's had every possible alignment you can have. And I think, again, that's likely to continue. But you're right, he's playing tonight, and it's a big one. The least have to get cooking. It's into November.

You know, they didn't have a good October. generally they respond with a very good November let's see what comes with it tonight a lot of home games four straight home games they got a homestine all throughout the week again like at some point they're really going to hit the road like they've got to take advantage of the schedule man like they're playing teams that haven't been in the playoffs and they got to get these points

yes they've got to get the points you got to get the points all right frankie should be a fun one tonight enjoy it we'll do it again soon all right boys we'll talk soon there he is frankie carrato or tsn hockey analyst yeah lease pens tonight we'll get into more hockey talk later this afternoon, including Mark Shifley, you know, leading the league in points, I believe, right now. And is he on the team Canada radar?

Absolutely, among others. Because I think we've got to start doing that, really start looking ahead. They're going to announce the team in, what, a month and a half, a couple months. I think at the end of the week we put together the overdrive Team Canada, we compile our own list as a team. We're the management team. I like that. And then we can make adjustments every week possible.

Consensus, yeah, consensus. Some guys coming in, some guys going out. There's going to be injuries, unfortunately, right? Things are going to happen. All right. But who's going to have the final say? Not me. I don't want the final say.

Nudels, you are the GM of Team Canada for us. We're going to have... Well, the three of us will roundtable it. I know, but there's somebody's got to be Dougie-Duggy Arms. Yeah, that's right. Give me the Army role. All right. You're Doug Armstrong.

I'll play Kyle Dubas. Dubus is on a staff. I'll get a pair of glasses. I'll play dubus. Put the goggles on. Oh, you can be, who else is on his staff? Is Ken Holland still working with the, I don't know, who knows? Who else is on the staff?

There's someone else on the staff. We'll find it. We'll figure it out for role play purposes. I'll be John Cooper because he's heavily involved. That's valid too. Cooper's definitely heavily involved. I think Tony Sorrelli might make that. See, Tampa's won five in a row quietly.

Yeah. Still at the bottom of the east, though, noodles. Still at the bottom of the east. At they, no, at they 30? I got 14 points like everyone else. Everyone is jammed together, man. It's a rap race. They're good.

They're very good. No one's suggesting they're not. You guys did last week when I wasn't on the show. All right. You and Little Jonas started popping up. All right. Yeah. All right.

Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. Really, really, really want to send out an apology to all the Jay's fans from my take off the top. They're offended. They're mad. And they said, stop it. It'll never happen again. My only idea was it's hard to take down the guy at the top.

That's it. It's all I wanted to kind of... You're talking about the Bob May comparison? No, don't even say it. They don't even want to hear the name again. All right. We're deeply offended. Bobby May.

I was very... You're on a heater. It's Bob May today. On Friday, it was the trophy ceremony. Yeah. Tomorrow, what do we have in store tomorrow? I don't know. I'm not starting the show tomorrow.

You guys... All right. come up with some kind of stupid idea to start the show tomorrow we're fine it's all good everyone's everyone's fine everyone's on edge it's you i just love that you go with stinky i'll come up with something better tomorrow we'll have something great it'll be yeah it'll be great okay luke's coming up we you guys are on the clock tonight right big game dallas arizona how about those bills i told you i told you the bills would win i knew they would Me and Luke, there are some things that aren't great.

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