OverDrive - OverDrive - November 4, 2025 - Hour 1 - Jeff Saturday

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Maple Leafs' comeback win against the Penguins, the team rallying from behind in the matchup, where the team can improve and the construction of the roster. ESPN Football Analyst Jeff Saturday joins to discuss the NFL trade deadline deals, Sauce Gardner landing with the Colts and the Jets in a rebuild mode and Tom Brady cloning his dog.

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This hour of overdrive is powered by Fanduil. Fanduil, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, overdrive off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker, and up on TSN4, Brian Hayes, your dog, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennon. What's going on? What's going on? I got to give you a ton of credit, Hazy-B, because in years past,

During the first two periods of that leaf game, we would have called each other and absolutely carved that team and said they stink. They're not doing anything. I don't know what these guys are doing this year. They're a nothing team. But we had a phone call last night, and you said, you just got to be patient. And they're going to come through in the third period. And that is exactly what they did. I'm sorry.

Jamie, Jamie. Jamie. I was on that group chat. I do not believe. No, no. Wait a minute. No, no. We had a man to manner, and it went, like, swimmingly well. Tony Robbins. I threw you off noodles. You were Larry Robbins on the group chat. He sent some ninja dust your way, and then he called me, and this guy said, noodles is negative. I need some positivity.

I did say a word. I know. I just was reading your guys. It's just a sign of growth and strength and courage from Hasey B. Thank you. And I'm damn proud of you. I appreciate that. And I hope people were, I hope someone was tapping the phone to clarify how Uber positive we were after 40 minutes last night. Wow.

How was it, I mean, honest to God, how was it easy to be positive at that point? Like, it was a trainer. Everyone knows we're being facetious and being stupid. It was the worst. most negative phone call we've ever exchanged in our entire time working together. Yeah. It was God awful. That second period last night was legitimately the most lopsided period I can recall

from any two teams. I couldn't believe it watching it. Like I had full, like Pittsburgh, I'm like, man, O's on to something. These guys, they're moving. They're shaking. They're four checks electric. Like, Gino looks like he's 25 years old. No, no, 21.

He was 21 last night. He looks so good. The Kindle kid, I'm like, what is happening here? Pittsburgh looks incredible, and the Leafs could not get past their own red line. Like, it was absurd to watch after a brutal first period, but to their credit, and as many people like to say, that didn't age well, because you play 60 minutes for a reason. The Leafs turned back the clock in the third because they were famous for that back in the day. A little bit sleepy, yet so much talent, the big boys would say, all right, lights are on, guys. And that's what happened last night.

Matthews and Nylander took over the game. Somebody tweeted out. I don't know who said it, but somebody said a couple years ago, even last year, they would come back. Not this time. They ain't doing it. I don't know who said that. But they did it, man. They did it.

They did it last night. A win is a win. You take it. But, man, for 40 minutes, I was like, okay, where's this guy going with this opening? because I'm like, I was involved in a group chat that did not. You know me. I just sit there and go, yep, and I was like, and I kept thinking to myself, and I swear in my life, when the shots were 23 to 8, I was like,

there's still going to be a push. Now, I don't know, I didn't, honestly, I didn't believe the push was going to be all the way back. I just want to know, Jamie, when those periods happen, with two minutes left in the second, you must just look at your phone and say, I'm waiting for the bubble. to pop up on this group chat because one of these two guys is coming over on the top turnbuckle and going to start talking about this nonsense. Because you're always the voice of reason. You're like, yeah, it's not that good.

They can play better. And me and Hayes are just throwing haymakers from the top rope, man. Well, I mean, as we know, we're all involved in several group chats, right? There's a football one. There's an L's brother trolling one. There's doogies involved, Joe from the bridge, and then the three of us have one. and then the three of us and J-Mac have one. So there's all sorts.

I'm watching the goals go in and my phone. I can hear it go ping, ping, and I'm like, okay, what is, you know, who, what group chat? And it was the three of us going, this is nonsense. This is, and to, look, we're just, we're just weighing in on what we're seeing. We're not, you know, we're not, we're watching as fans in media, but you're like, this isn't look good at all. Like, the Leafs looked uninterested, and, and to Pittsburgh's credit, they, they, They were flying. They showed up ready to play.

They looked really good the first 40 minutes. I don't know if it was talked about today. Was there, in the media, did anybody say somebody said something after the second? Did Baroubi come in and kick a garbage can? I think Barube had some words. That was said after the game last night. And listen, to their credit, because yes, you play 60 minutes and yes, they won the game. Willie, Austin, they all came out and said that start can't happen.

But it's amazing with this team. They're 7 5 and 1, their third place in the division. And the way I get the impression almost everyone feels about this team, they have not won a game yet this year. And they're on pace to be dead last in the league. And it's not the case. And I think as much as I would not have been in this mindset after 40 minutes. And I was not after 40 minutes watching.

that last night and it's been a difficult ride for them i think there can be a glass half full approach to it that there's seven five and one and it's probably as bad as they could play through 13 games that is the glass half full yes and and you're waiting for them to come a lot and listen there was going to be change and you have to have change i get why people are getting caught up in the moment i understand that it's you want maybe you want marner and maybe you want a ton of offense and Maybe you want more off the rush, and you want the power play to get cooking. The power play's killing them right now. And there's a lot of different things you might pine for from previous years that were very comforting in November.

But the change, and I don't know if they have it right, I'm not here sitting here saying they 100% have it right or they're going to be competitive by the end of the year or competitive in the playoffs. I don't have that answer for you. But some sort of change was mandatory. It had to happen. They had to play a little bit of a different style, bring in some different pieces. Marner chose to leave. That happened, and you've got to live without them,

and you've got to find a way to put pieces in their proper place. And there was always going to be an adjustment. They're a veteran team. Camp was a little bit slow. And, again, they're 7, 5, and 1. They're 7, 5, and 1. Now, everyone in the league, like we established yesterday, and the East has 13 or 14 points.

Like, everyone's right there. And the amazing thing is, we keep talking about their schedule, which has been a very soft schedule and very friendly to the Leafs. They've got three more home games here, the rest of the week. Like, they're at home a lot, and they're going to play tough for competition. But if you look at the top four teams in the East, technically, based on points, they've played them all. It's Montreal, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Jersey.

They've actually played all the top teams in the East. So it's a little bit deceptive even to say, well, their schedule has been so soft based on opponents. Yes, based on last year's standings, but based on this year's standings, the teams that are racked up the points, the Leafs have actually played them. And they've done okay against them.

So I will admit, my mood shifted, and I understand where a lot of people are coming from with this team work. Your mood shifted? No, in terms of from the second to the third. Like, they won. Like, they showed talent. Like Matthews and Neelander

came out and said, screw it. And that's big because they're two great players and they have the ability to do that they have to do it more they're going to be relied upon a lot of that Stolar's you know locked it down on the third which is what he did a lot last year point I'm making is I think the general attitude

towards the team and I have it too I'll admit I'm leading the charge is the negativity from the way it ended last year the uncertainty of what they have the fact that they're older a little bit slower the blue jays and everyone loves that's 100% approval rate over here look at this

scrappy team man we love them all here come the leaves like they're they're they're being billed as something that is probably a little bit unfair to them i guess is what i'm saying and you know as a result they got a chance you to run off some wins and you could be maybe they're two weeks away from losing four or five in a row and everyone goes i knew it like what i saw there i knew it and they're not good enough and they don't have enough talent and their defense isn't any good and they don't move the puck and their goal tent is going to come back to life. That very well could be the case in two weeks. And if

it is, we'll address it. In two weeks, they might win five or six in a row and they're actually, they're three points out of tops in the east. And then what are you going to say? Like then what do you say if they have more points than anybody else? They still hate the way they play and the way that they're built? I mean,

if you want to take them as a real deal hockey team, because they keep having the same issues and the coach is screaming and the poor performances. They need some better players, like, if they want to be regarded as a real-deal hockey team. And I know you just looked at the glass half full. They need a guy back there that's probably, like, if they want to be a real-deal hockey team,

a guy that's better than Morgan Riley, like a top-flight guy that can move the puck. And you look at what John Tavares is playing with. If all three of those big guys are playing on the top line, they need a couple forwards. They need to stop. And there's no way to do it, though, guys. They have six or seven guys that are all the same player. the Nick Robertsons, the yarn croaks, the Machelli, like it seems like it's the same player,

that they're having difficulty trying to promote them and make them be a top six forward, and they're just, they're not that. They're not that. That Machelli, it was a good idea, it was a good try. He's not a top-end NHL hockey. He's healthy scratched on November 4th. Yes, and I don't know what he's got to offer

that's better than what he's brought to the table. So they need better players, and I wish, I just wish the league, was in a position where you could make some kind of 80s trade, because that's what they need. Like, you can talk about systems and being on top of pucks and getting pucks in deep. They need a guy back there that can move the puck, and they need a couple forwards that can play top-end minutes and produce at a top-end level. If you want them to be a top-end team. Until that happens, you're probably going to get – that defense has a real difficult time moving the puck.

They do not move the puck while. No, anybody that knows hockey or anybody that's involved at the top level in this league would look at that team and say that, That back end has a difficult time moving to puck up. Guys like Brandon Carlo, great, big tall guy, physical. He's got this big aura about him all he played for the Bruins. He doesn't move the puck that well. He doesn't do a lot of things that well, to be honest with you, the way he's playing this year. They need different players, and there's not really a way to do it,

unless you're going to bundle three or four of those guys that I just mentioned up and shipped them out. Because the other thing about them, the players I just mentioned, they're not making $750,000. There's a bunch of them that are like $3 million, $2 million. They're not cheap guys that don't do it. a whole lot. No, it's fair, and it's a fair assessment because I see, like I agree, Brian, like I don't think it's as bad as people are painting it, and I think there is, I've always said

this, there is going to be changed. This is not the team that is going to be going into the playoffs for the Maple Leafs. How much change can you do, though, Jamie? Well, Brian, I'm sorry, oh, I think you have to be creative. Every team that wants to get to that next level, cup contender, all of that. There is going to be some change. You're going to have to have some currency. And I talked about it yesterday.

Pittsburgh was a team that's near the top of the standings. I don't know if they'll end up there. But this is the only team in the offseason that was open for business. Now, I don't know if Kyle has changed this thought process, but there are going to be teams that will be open for business just through osmosis. You know, what's going to happen in Calgary? Some of those other teams that are, you know, still rebuilding and turning. I think Tree has sat by.

He's assessing his team, is allowing guys like Easton Cowan to settle in and see where he's going to slot in the NHL. He might have to spend some time in the minors. He might not. Okay, Jamie, well, let's talk about the least currency. They do not have any, unless you want to come up with a Joe from the bridge type scenario where people are going to take Yarn Crook and Robertson for a top end player. And it just doesn't have a – it's Joe from the bridge type nonsense. And I'm not trying to – It is.

Listen, I'm not trying to defend it. What I'm saying, Joe from the bridge take it forward. It's a Joe from the bridge proposition over the years. He's like, you could package up Robertson and Yarn Crook and Kemp and you could bring in a real, like he's a moron when it comes to making trades. Well, let's take it easy. Here's the other thing. I'm just saying, I think this is a work in progress.

That's my point. I don't know what you move for currency. You know, does Robertson move the needle for a team that wants somebody who they think that can play? in the top six maybe you know that type of stuff but coming back to what you said brian i think all of those points were valid we're all sitting there going you know you lost the way you lost the florida started the season there's that marner hangover i thought chris pronger had an unbelievable quote about the leaves yesterday it was a great quote because they're a different team

so they're waking up and going hey we're skilled we'll be able to turn that on they're still skill there, but it's a different type of skill. And I thought that was a really interesting quote for this team. They're still learning to play a different style without what you just mentioned. Oh, they had three game breakers, potentially a fourth with Tavares. They don't have that now. They've got two and a half, we'll call it, with Tavaris, right? And those two took over last night, Nielander and Matthews. Not going to happen every night. But in years past, it was PowerPlay and Marner and those three start cycling and away they go and they can grab two or three goals here or there or even up a game.

It's a different look from this group this year and I still think there's an adjustment period and some of the stuff that we watched last night, the three of us, I was agreeing with you for two periods. That was nonsense. It was awful. It was awful. But there is somewhere in the middle that I'm trying to find and give a little bit of reprieve and go, you know, listen, they still have Matthews, still have knee-liner.

I thought the goalie was great when they needed to be. Pittsburgh could have put a dagger. That could have been for Cobb. He made a couple good saves. You make it for nothing. That game is over. We're not talking about a comeback. He makes a couple big saves.

You know, Pittsburgh missed some chances. And I thought Pittsburgh took their foot off the gas. They looked, they looked overwhelmed. Like, the coach called the timeout. Like, it was just weird. Like, for a veteran team with those guys, they looked like they didn't have an answer. Or they ran out of gas. Yeah.

Because they were flying through two periods. and, you know, that's their DNA, I guess, is move, move, move, and all of a sudden, you know, it was a brilliant play off the draw. Like McCabe to Matthews was a brilliant play. It was a great pass by McCabe. And listen, their power play, the least power play right now is terrible. They don't go on the power play a lot, but that can change the complexion of things too. Sure.

You know, because you look at actual points, individual points, Neelander, Nise, and Tavaros, I believe they're all up in, the top 10 in the league and even strength points because they all have a ton of points and they're all five on five because they don't do anything on the power play. But you're right and that pronger quote was a great one in terms of, you know, they used to be just relying on their talent. I'm going to butcher a little bit. Yeah, it's skill to get through, right?

Yeah, now it's your identity's changed and it's as if they haven't accepted that yet. And that's where I think you're seeing some confusion with, you know, a guy like Nick Waugh or Dakota Joshua, they can't play like that. And they're not going to play like that. Like, they are going to, the way they're going to be effective is shrink the ice, lean on teams, and, you know, try to cycle and create chances off the cycle. I mean, that's how they're going to create anything in the future. And this is where it's complex, and this is where Baruba's got to figure it out.

And even Tree Living's got to figure it out. Like you talk about bringing guys in, who are you bringing in? Which direction are you going? Are you going in this direction where, okay, I need skill and I need speed? because I think you look at this team and you could reason with that pretty seriously reason with that or do you double down

the other way? I want size and I want maybe hockey IQ, whatever you want to call it. I don't know. I don't know how he handles that. But yeah, it's a transition for the team. Like there's no questioning

and they're not, you know, again, Marner's not here and Marner was thoroughly entertaining to watch play too. Just to watch Marner. He would make two or three plays. in a game where you'd say wow what a play yeah you're not getting that out of you know whoever is going to replace him in the lineup for the guys who have come in it's not going to happen so yeah you know and you look at their defense with tanav out it's you know benwa

meyers carlo like that's a strong tanaven wasn't playing well either no exactly but at least he could eat up some money minutes and you could bank on him turning it around and playing well defensively too it's like that guy blocks shots that guy oh yeah warrior warrior all the things he say about them yes you know again i think you look at the team guys or the league it's a watered down league you know like i do i agree with your assessment that they need someone else on the on the point to be able to move the pocket noodles you've been preaching about that for over a year now that's very clear but look at the teams how many teams in the league have like you know four or five talent like studs up front two or three studs

studs on the point and a great goal. Like, who has that? You know, a fully healthy Florida. Every team's probably got six guys they don't want. Yeah. Like literally, every team you can look at, and even the teams that are playing great out of the game, like Colorado's been outstanding.

They've been great. And obviously they have McCar, they got Taves, and McKinnon's been unbelievable, and NACAS they just paid. Yeah. But, you know, you move beyond that, and there's, they're depth guys who are going to play above or below whatever line you might have for them.

you know, it just, there's not going to be many teams in the league that are just going to out-talent everybody else because there's not enough talent in the league with 30-20 teams. And why do you think for years, Brendan Shanahan and the Leaps would say, we like our players because they're talented, and they get us to the playoffs. They did every single year. For nine years, they got to the playoffs.

Exactly. And if the playoffs started tonight, oh, they'd be in the playoffs. Yeah. They'd be in the playoffs. But I will say this, if you, if that's the, way the league is and i've said it for years you stole my line that the league is watered down if your best players don't carry their weight i did you stole my line all right that's your line you own that line i do the league is watered down that's yours i i couldn't believe you i just said that

all right how do i change it so i can say it without you complaining about me saying the league is uh i got a bottom heavy bottom heavy bottom heavy bottom half anyway continue of your thought. The league is equal. Doogie, Google, same words for watered down. Yes. Come up with another saying that fits so I can use it. Diluted. Diluted. Diluted. It's a diluted league. That's mine. That's yours. That's mine. That's yours. That's yours. But in this situation, if your top guys like Neelander and Matthews don't have that third period, that's probably a 4-1 game. Of course. But that applies everywhere. Like if Edmonton's down 3-0, guess who's going to get them out of it? It's not going to

be pod colson you know like it's going to be well if it is it's an empty net from dry sidel yeah yeah no i know but of course your superstars have got to play like it and like willy's been in and out of the lineup again i'm not trying i'm not sugarcoating the way they've been playing i'm not disputing all of that i'm just saying you know i think you look at it like matthews and nielander that should be the expectation it's not going to be every period it's not going to be every night but if those guys can't be game breakers for you then you really have have a problem.

Like, forget how you feel about Machelli or Joshua or what are they going to do with their third D pairing. If Matthews and Neelander, at 28 years old apiece, don't have the capability of doing what they did in the third period every once in a while, you're toast. Like, then you really are

deluded, because then you just have a bunch. You have a bunch of middle of the pack guys. Well, like they have to be able to separate, and we haven't really, we've seen it from Willie at times, but the other guy showed up. Like Matthews, I think it was fitting that he was the guy that scored the first goal, and he set up the Willie goal, and, you know, that has to happen.

You have to rely on those guys to be superstars. What you need, I think, too, though, Brian, and that's where, you know, glass half empty, half full, all of that type of stuff, we could, if we decided, okay, for 15 minutes, we're going to talk about positive and how things, and it's still early. Like, it's still way early. Two and O November, as Joe from the bridge pointed out. But also, the easiest schedule in the National Hockey League. They don't leave their time zone until, like, mid-November.

Yeah, a lot of home games. And they should be where they are. They actually should be further ahead based on their schedule and their quality of competition. But what I'm saying, we could have 15 minutes of positive and 15 minutes of, like, what scares you, or what do you've seen so far in the first five weeks? And I think everyone would have kind of what we just laid out here in the first 20 minutes, going, no, you know, don't like this, don't like that, but here we got like this, we like that. And that, there's probably 25 teams you could have that conversation with about right now,

the inconsistency, you know, either roster construction or, you know, top players not playing well, and you're going, okay, we need more from this. And you can go right through the league. And then there's a few sprinkled at the bottom, and then at the top going, they've had a great start or a poor, Star. That's it. Yeah. So, you know, that's my, when I watch the leaves, I don't think that's an end product. I go, yes, it's been changed, all of that, but I still am curious to see what this is going

to look like two months from now, four months from now. If Tree can, it may not be this season, though. That's the, that's what I think people have to brace for is that it may not happen this year. It may be a year away. It may be you got to get through this season and then you've got money. and you recalibrate, you find, you know, all of a sudden maybe you find different assets, you let some of your younger players grow and they gain more value around the league. That's the thing.

And it comes down to availability. You know, for the most part, the top players kind of just stay. You know, it's a very conservative league. The league, how many guys just, how many teams just keep resigning their own players? No kidding. Free Agent Frenzy gets more and more pathetic every year. Sorry, Duffy, that's not an endorsement. But that's the truth, though.

Like the worst team in the league's like, yeah, we're just going to keep that guy. We're talking about fourth-liner signing on Free Agent Day. Here's a crazy notion for you just because he was right front and center last night. Would you take East, you know, E-K-65? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I would, man. He still would?

What's his deal? What does he have left? Well, you'd have to have money chewed, right? I think he makes 10 or 11. Does he have multiple years left? I believe so. This year and next, maybe. So, yeah, I mean, we'll have to look that up quickly.

But I'm just, what I'm saying is that. It's an interesting thought. That's one guy that I was like. You can still get up in the play and, you know, you can make a pass. This year and next year at 10. And obviously, he would have, you'd have to make him a $5 or $6 million player to even make it work, possibly. But I'm, you know, that guy had some looks yesterday. Outside of the goal, there was a great play, but, like, he,

He actually looked a little bit more like the Carlson we would expect, put it that way. Risk reward all over the ice. It's a big risk. It's a big risk reward play, bringing him in. Because if you get him motivated and he's healthy, you know, he's still, he's got the ability to change the game. Move the puck, man. He can move the puck. He can scare an opposition with his ability to make plays and get up and plays.

That's the only thing I thought of last night. Like, I was like, okay, you're looking around the league and all that. It's just, and again, I don't, you know, don't headline it. I'm not saying, but that's, those are the guys who can be available. Like, as much as Pittsburgh, again, great story. And I was impressed with them. Like, they, you know, they played, played well. And they've won a bunch of games.

And I still have a tendency to believe that will even out. Yeah, there'll be a marketing will even out. And I think Dubas is well aware of what he has to do there. I think if there's a taker for Carlson, he'd jump on it. Now, I don't know what that price would be, and I would have to believe if the least were interested, they wouldn't be the only team. You know, if Carlson plays well enough to get to the trade deadline

where he's got value, other teams will be looking at him. But, yeah, I mean, that's probably what we're talking about. You know, it's not going to be some 25-year-old stud. That guy's not getting acquired. That guy's not out there. That guy's not available. That guy signed for eight years. Yeah, exactly.

Like that player, you're not getting. The only chance you have is a Max Scher gamble. And if anybody wants to know why everyone gets an eight-year deal is because, Hayes, what did you describe the league as? It's a diluted league. It's a diluted league, and you don't want to take the chance of that guy going somewhere else. That's my, don't ever say that again. Dilution.

That's mine. That's my. That's my. That's my. Quinn. The way you say it, it's dilution. Dillusion. All right. There was a trade deadline in the NFL today. The jets are diluting. They're diluting talents. They're making trades. Sauce. And somehow the Cowboys are buyers after last night. They stink. They're terrible. And yet they're buyers. Jeff Saturday will help us explain that.

And Mike Johnson coming up will continue the leaf conversation. The Oilers lost last night in St. Louis. We'll get into that. Mark Schifley playing great. We promised we'll get to the Team Canada projections. We'll do that with Johnny. We've got confirmed with tonight coming up. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. Overdrive continues, powered by Fanduel, bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score.

Also supplying us with lines for Owen Wilson to absolutely choke all over because it is pathetic what's happening with you and your partner. Absolutely pathetic. Very concerned. I'm very concerned. Like, Hazenburg plus nine. I'm done. I want to join Hays and Bro. Can you make it Hays and Brothers?

Pudgeon Brothers. No, I want to be with Hays and Brothers, not Hays and Bro. Don't you turn your back on Luke. Can you make it Hays and Brothers? I'll consider it. That's all I'm going to tell you right now. I'll take it into consideration. I have to consult with my Parsi like I always do.

When any of these kind of things come up, I'll chat with him. We'll get back to you later. The thing I understand is everybody talks about. Dallas and how much they stink defensively? Like, why did they make that trade at the beginning of the season then? Well, it's a good question. Why not pay Parsons? And I guess they went out and got Quinn and Williams today.

They picked up a linebacker. Let's bring in a guy who can give us those answers. Here he is, longtime NFL, a Super Bowl champion, ESPN NFL analyst, Jeff Saturday. Jeff, give us your take on the Dallas Cowboys, considering the news we heard today, who they acquired today and the way they played last night. Yeah, I think they got two good players. Wilson, you know, he's a good player out of Sinti who, you know, been replaced by the young, by the rookie, and so his

reps were getting diminished. So I think he'll fit well in that system with Iber flus. And I think, Cornel Williams, anywhere you put him. I mean, he's an absolute, you know, train record when it comes to the run game, pushing the pocket. And so he and Kenny Clark, and then Wilson there in the middle, when they get overshone back, that'll be a pretty imposing, you know, internal four. And I think if you look back even last year, even with Micah Parsons, they struggled with the run. And part of it was because they were just so, so weak and vulnerable in, you know, through the middle of that

defense. So I think they've added up and done well. The truth is with the Micah Parsons, man, it's just hurt feelings. Like Jerry Jones, you know, they thought they had a deal. Micah, you know, however, you know, Micah hadn't really spoken on it, but Jerry said they had some agreement that then he went back to his agent, blah, blah, blah, it's like a soap opera. And for whatever reason, you know, he let one of the best pass rushers in the game go. And so, you know, however we want to cut it down,

you know, I think that it's hard to let really good players walk out of your building, but, you know, pride separated them from Jimmy Johnson and it looks like probably from Micah as well, but they're doing their best to revamp. and try to get guys in there kind of save face a little bit. I don't know that it's going to make that much marketed difference this season. But there's always a possibility. Like, Philly could go into a slide or somebody could go into a slide,

and all of a sudden you're back in it. But, yeah, I mean, I think that boils down the two things of how we got here and, you know, the Micah Parsons bit of it as well. Yeah, that's what I don't understand these moves. I get the players. I get Quinn and Williams in particular. but they're three, five, and one. Right.

I just, I don't, I don't understand Jerry Jones, and I haven't for 20 years. You know, this isn't something new, Jeff. I don't, I just don't get it, man. Like, they play the way they played last night. They got beat up, and they turned the ball over, and there's just no execution. I don't see how, like, how are they buyers? That's what I don't understand. Yeah, I think, honestly, as I think Jerry, you know, Jerry's getting old, man,

and he knows it. And, you know, when you have an offense and you have a Dak Prescott that's as good as he is, you know, we ain't promised any days. And as we get older, it feels like those days shrink up. And so I think he realizes if I got any shot, I might as well try to go all in. And why he didn't think like that in August of getting the deal done with Micah, other than, like I said, hurt feelings and ego at that point, it is what it is. but they, you know, it's, it's,

Quinn and Williams will be a, be a, he is a marked difference maker. Like, there's no doubt. Wilson, in and of itself, that trade, I think, is just kind of, you know, but he's, he's a good player. Like, he's, you know, so, you know, I think they're trying to get as many good ones as they can in that deepest to help Eber Poulouse, because the truth is, I mean, as much beating as he's taken as a coordinator, man, they got, you know, They struggle for players, and so going to get two good ones to at least help until overshone gets back full-time.

And they can rush the passer, but the truth is you've got to earn the right to rush the passer. And they haven't been able to do that. And then offensively, they stunk it up last night. And they know that you can't turn the ball over. You can't be sloppy. And they were all of the above. There's just no margin for error for this team. But, you know, Jerry's going to – this is what Jerry does in each.

You know, he said it on the Stephen A. Smith show yesterday, right? When they're going to become irrelevant, I'm going to stir the bleep up, right? And so he's stirring it up. And that's, he wants to keep the Cowboys in our conversations and, you know, selling the start. But ultimately, yeah, I think there are better teams even with the additions in the NFC that they're going to have a hard time competing with. Jeff, it's been a bit of a different year in the NFL. There's been some teams in the past that we've looked at as front runners,

maybe Baltimore are having different, like, down seasons and some other up-and-coming teams that are making some noise. The Bills took down the Chiefs on Sunday. Who's kind of got your attention as, like, an upper echelon team that's the team to beat this year? Yeah, it's tough, right? I think the Colts have had a heck of a year. They had a bit of a setback with the game to the Steelers the other day. The Bills, obviously, are an extremely good football team. and I would say both of them, to me, separate themselves because of their offensive line play.

Obviously, Josh Allen is an absolute dude, but there's a lot of good quarterbacks that can't keep going because of offensive line play, and that's really what happened to Mahomes against the bill. So when you look at how the bills are constructed, James Cook, the way he's playing, the way Josh Allen's playing. And, you know, I've said this kind of all-season. And McDermott, I mean, like, people beat him up. His defenses get better every year at the end of the year. Like he develops his defenses and they get better. And that's kind of what you're seeing, that true progression.

So I like both of those things. I think the Patriots are probably the hottest kind of young team. Drake May is playing out of his absolute mind. And they give up explosive plays on defense. but I think Braves will get that part corrected. So I like where they are. And so, you know, you look at the Broncos. I like where the Broncos are.

They're a young team that's ascending. My only probably concern with that is like, you know, they've won a lot of really close games in the fourth court. They haven't kind of put it all together. And then that's the Bo Nix kind of question mark, right? Well, he stay accurate in those moments. But that's probably my top when you're talking about the AFC. Jeff, you just talked about top teams.

Who would be your MVP right now? Oh, that's a great question. I think Matt Stafford's got to be in that conversation. I think Josh Allen to me is always – I mean, you're better teams, right? Daniel Jones has got to be in that conversation at this point in the season. And again, I know he just has turnovers, yes, the other day. But it's like the body of work these guys are putting together is – is pretty impressive.

But, you know, look, I think Jonathan Taylor's got to be in the mix, man. He's had an incredible season until the other day as well. So there's a lot of really good ones. The MVP conversation for me kind of gets fatiguing until we get down to see who teams are really going to separate themselves. Because, you know, like, you know, Lamar hadn't even played really much this season. Mahomes has looked good when, you know, he gets his full compliment and they're not look good.

It's just a ton of parity. And, again, so it'll be fun as it all as it shakes down. But I'd love to see, I'd love to see some other positions get in the conversation, right? Like, you know, the Pooka and the Cua early on with the catches he was making, but then he gets banged up, right? And, like, every other, you know, most quarterbacks are going to play the majority of games. And unfortunately, you know, some of our other positions physically take it takes a toll so they don't. But, man, I love watching the other positions just as much.

Well, Jeff, Saturday. So, you know, you mentioned your Colts, and they go out and acquire Soss Gardner today, gave up two first-round picks. We mentioned Quinn and Williams going to Dallas, and I'd like you to, you know, tag the answer with your thoughts on the Colts going out and getting him. But I'm curious where you're out with the Jets, where Aaron Glenn just got there, he's a defensive coach. Yes, they've been terrible. Yes, they're in New York. But now Williams and Soss Gardner out. and, like, what are the Jets doing?

I know that's a perennial question, but what is New York doing? Yeah, I think when you look at him, I think, you know, he went through the Detroit Lion, you know, rebuild, right, with Dan Campbell and the way that looks. I think he's, I think he wants to get, so he's trying to accumulate as many high picks as he can get and kind of stack the deck, right? And Detroit did it through their offensive line first, right? But the biggest splash for them is going to be go get a quarterback. And so they're trying to accumulate as many assets as they can to go get whoever they think is going to be steering, whether that's through the draft or through free agency, whatever it is, to get enough to accumulate to go get their guy. And look, for whatever we say about positions in the NFL, if you don't got that one, you really don't got a chance.

And that's just the truth of the matter. And so, you know, Aaron Glenn understands that. And Justin Fields, you know, he hasn't had the season that the Jets hoped he would have. It feels like they've kind of, that ship has sailed for them. And so that's why they're accumulating all this, is to get that guy in and whatever the highest, you know, assets that we can get that the most for, that's kind of where they're trying to build from. And it's going to be a three-year rebuild. And look, I said the same thing about the Colts after I stopped in there for that eight game.

It was going to take about three years, and that's where Stuyken is now. I mean, people want instant gratification, and fortunately for some teams, they get it really quickly, but the majority have to go through a bit of a rebuild. I think that's where the Jets are. And you started with the soft gardener trade, and I think the Colts are telling you they think they're all in, right? like Daniel Jones has been better than expected. They, their offenses is as hot as anybody in the NFL, but they needed defensive flexibility.

And the reality with the Chervavia, the ward injury, you know, hopefully he'll get back. But the Bynum and, you know, Sauce Gardner, Kenny Moore, like you start putting bodies back there, and you don't have to just play zone, right? Now you can get to some man matchup. You can put sauce on a guy, he's a long body, but it allows you to bring pressure, you know, five and six men to really help you

because the truth is the Colts haven't done a good job, pressuring the quarterback with their front four. And Lou knows that. He knows he's got to create something. You just can't be static back there in zone. And so he's trying to acquire a bunch of guys. You get all those guys healthy, man, and it will help your pass rush and help that defense be aggressive, and that's really what Lou wants to get into.

Well, we're through the trade deadline. we're into November. It's go time now. It is go time, and we're going to see some separation, like you said, and we can't wait to see it all play out. We really appreciate you doing this, as always. Thank you, Jeff. Always enjoyed. You guys have a great one. You too. Jeff Saturday, Super Bowl champ and ESPN NFL analyst, and listen, they're putting all the chips in with Indiana Jones, right?

Danny Jones, Danny Dimes. It's like we're giving up future first-round picks, and we're all in here. but you gotta love it I mean for a team that's you know since Peyton Manning has been there

it's like they've had some good seasons but you gotta respect them trying to make a move man yeah listen they've been really good like they've been crushing teams prior to the Pittsburgh game crushing teams

dude there's nobody in the league we used to carve more than Danny Dimes Danny Dimes he took a lot of last week he was garbage.

Yeah, it wasn't good. Do you have five turnover? What was it? Yeah, I thought he, did he throw three picks? I thought it was a mess. It wasn't good. And Pittsburgh's defense was due for a performance like that. They had not been good.

They had been very leaky all year. But I think, you know, what Jeff just pointed out, and I think we can apply this to every team, every team, including the one we were talking about it for. It's a long season. and like the good teams get better as the year goes on. You know, it's one thing to have a odd start. That's awesome. No one takes that away from you.

But like you get better and better and better and you work on details and you get more comfortable in your system and you gain more confidence later in the season. And the NFL has always been about who's ready to play in December and January. Like that's really what it is. Who can play in December and December? in January. And we don't have that answer right now,

but that applies to every league. You got to be ready to pounce at the end of the year. So, you know, we'll see what happens here with the NFL. All right, Mike Johnson coming up in about 20 minutes. We've got confirmed or deny still to come as well. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and up on YouTube live. All right, Mike Johnson, in about 15 minutes.

It's a Tom Brady's story circulating that we're going to have. have to address I think it's unreal he had his dog cloned I couldn't believe it when I read it to you we got to dig in to see if it's there's some truth to it well

he owns or he's he's an investor in some company yes it's obvious you can't clone a dog man come on you can man I'm telling you right now that guy is into some weird stuff and he's a huge like I would like it's a story but I think it's true

he just because I saw a thing on Twitter where the guy was eating 3D printed steaks and they tasted like real stakes so you're telling me some guy just throw some blood cells into a microwave and out comes a new dog the same as your old one they have cloned sheep they've cloned lots of things how does it work dude what do I look like I don't know if you're going to talk like this guy I don't know You're going to talk like a guy just cloned is that.

You've got to tell me how he did it. I read the same story you did that I guess he is invested. To me, it sounds like the reason it's public is because he's invested in some company. Listen, we're going, we're on the verge of some wild stuff, possibly happening in the world. With AI, exactly, and science. Like, it depends on who you talk to because remember Y2K was going to change the world and, you know, 30, 40 years ago, everyone was going to be in flying cars and we're going to be on ours. Okay, but here's the thing what we're going to do. That's coming. Yeah, but when, no, noodles.

Before we get to Johnny, I want Doogie to tell me how the guy got a new dog exactly like his other one. I think it's a blood thing, and they fester it. Like, I mean, cloning has been going, well, again, I'm not a scientist. I don't have a degree. But in reading the article and reading what's being talked about, he's invested in like a biosciences company that, I believe, isn't cloning? There was to a point where they were talking about trying to. to clone people and they made it illegal right well yes and that's what's scary about the future man is like right how far do you go with the cloning thing you know what i mean like that we got to do a

cloning bit tomorrow like each toronto sports team could clone i don't know we got to come up with some kind of cloning who would we clone for just anything for the leaves like who could the leaves clone you know how they're matthews yeah that would that would be pretty good you know matthews you know Matthew's your first and second line center. He needed a new name. Or Brady did name the new dog something else. Who could you clone and bring back as a 25-year-old, even a living guy? Okay.

I don't know. There's some kind of cloning bit we could do to them. We can find a way to manipulate this. But, Duky, I want to know how you do this. I want to know how Brady got the same dog. Tell me. Isn't it, like, I've heard these stories. Like Walt Disney was so wealthy.

Like he froze himself or whatever and he's hoping to be brought. back in the future. I guess where he is. He's still frozen. That is, and I believe Ted Williams was another one famously, you know, frozen. But I'm not sure I'm buying that, man. Again, I think what's going to happen is it'll get cloned and it's just going to be weird, man. Like, I think it's really scary stuff.

Like some of it is really, I don't want to be cloned, man. I don't need 200 years from now. Nobody wants you crone. Hasey B being cloned. I'm probably not at the top of people's list. Ryan Hayes and Ryan. Ryan Hayes. Right.

Like, you know how weird that would be? Like, just, yeah, he's gone, but we get another one right around the corner. He's more miserable. What if there was like a fit, yeah, exactly, like it accents on things that, you know, so you, if you're miserable, it's times 10. Yeah, you know, like that type of stuff. Like they got the wrong mixtures, man, and it's the worst of the worst. Yeah. An evil.

Doesn't know sports and he's more miserable. Well, do you think Brady does that? Like, if the new dog has some different personality, he's like, what's this guy doing, man? I thought I clone you. Get rid of it. Give me another one. Yeah, like, what, hey, my old guy didn't like those treats. Takes a massive deuce right in the corner of the living room.

He's like, hang on a second here, you bastard. That's not what I ordered. That's not where we were going to this. You never did that before. Yeah, this is freaking me out now. Brady's got some weird stuff going on, man. Some weird stuff. All right.

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