OverDrive - OverDrive - October 16, 2025 - Hour 1 - Darren Dreger/Pierre LeBrun

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jonas Siegel for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Blue Jays' large win against the Mariners in Game 3 of the ALCS, Vladimir Guerrero Jr,'s dominant performance, Max Scherzer getting the start in Game 4 of the series and how he'll perform in the matchup. TSN Hockey Insiders Darren Dreger and Pierre LeBrun join in the latest edition of the Insiders Roundtable to discuss Brady Tkachuk's injury timeline, Connor Bedard's role in the Olympics and the roster looking to take shape.

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This hour of overdrive is powered by Fanduil. Fan Duel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, overdrive off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker, up on TSN4, Brian Hasey, O'Dog, Jeff O'Neill, Jonas Siegel, in the house. What's happening this afternoon? I couldn't enjoy that baseball game as much as I wanted to last night. It was an incredible turnaround after the first.

I think you tweeted out, Hasey, be disaster? I did. Which was accurate at the time? The second inning. No. First inning. Yeah.

There was a disaster the first inning. He was a cop for them. You were like, disaster. Yeah. Don't you guys have a segment, delete your tweet, or what was that called? Yeah, what did? The filter.

We used to call the filter, yes. You should have flush that. Well, okay. Wait a little bit. Edit it. You could have edited. No, I don't edit. No, no.

I don't edit. I leave it all out there. You want to go find it? I don't delete, I don't edit I live in the moment. What about this? Put it on draft like in your drafts. You just keep it there in case it gets the sticks enough.

You guys are internet trolls. Look at the two of you. Because. I was unnecessary. No, I read it and I'm like, I'll. Okay. Let me flush this out for you. It wasn't just the first inning for Bieber.

Gladdy gets on, moves over on an air. Here comes Santander. Chance to finally make an impact strike. out. So from that standpoint, I'm like, all right, runners in scoring position. Disaster. Down to nothing in the series.

Putting them at cleanup. Strikes out, doesn't look great. Beber goes out there, gets hammered. Not only the two-run, home run to Rodriguez, Polanco comes up, boom. Double. And I'm like, here we go. Disaster. Disaster inning. That's what it was.

It was a real-time tweet. Yes. It doesn't mean that it's a disaster for the rest of time, or you can't recover. but I'm an old school Twitter guy man No no no I'm an old school Twitter guy Live in the moment That's what Twitter used to be Twitter used to be about

Whatever when you're on you can't go back in time You used to be a live Twitter Can't go back in time look at that Disaster Disaster and that's what it was It was a disaster And then 825 didn't the game Started 805? 808

808 first inning. I understand. The way the games have gone, it's been like, you want to start like that, keep trucking like that. That's it. Exactly. But where I couldn't get the enjoyment, we all know what happened. The Jay's pumped them. That was an unbelievable

night. An unbelievable night and turn around, but it did not take me long. I think it was like 12 to 2. It ended up, what, 13.4? At 12, 2 I'm like, Scherzer's going tomorrow. And then I started worrying immediately. I'm like, they just somehow dug their way out of that hole.

And then I thought about Scher and how long it's been since he pitched and I couldn't enjoy it. I started panicking immediately. Well, would you feel better if it was a bullpen game tonight? I'm not going to lie. I almost would. Because I do not know what the hell this guy is going to bring to the table. Hall of Famer or not hasn't pitched in so long. And the last bunch of times he was out, his first innings were disastrous.

He was a disaster. in September. And the last time he was out, he got destroyed. And it's been weeks. It's very terrifying. Yes. It's very scary. I got to like, oh my God, they pumped them. They ran up the score, five bombs. Amazing stuff. And then I just stopped and I thought, oh, man. It's a big gamble. It's the definition of a risk-reward play that dates back to when they signed them. And remember, they signed Shures are late in the offseason. And Boris was peddling them around and trying to find a job, and the Jays did not have a great PR off season.

And I think when they signed them, they thought, well, this will create a buzz. It did. And it most certainly did. And then his thumb ran into his shoulder blades. And then that was a mess. But then there was a stretch when they ran through Pitt in, I think, Miami or something, where people were like, if the playoffs started today, that guy might be our first guy out. Absolutely.

he had a 10 start run that was very quality and would make you feel comfortable about a comfortable about a situation like tonight but when they handed him that contract I don't believe for a second they envisioned this situation no it was about regular season maybe helps maybe they win some games

maybe Bieber said before he took the mound he's like that's why they brought me in here for this game tonight yes I don't know if Max Scherzer could look in the camera and say that with a straight face. I cannot imagine back in March or February, that was the thought, like a reasonable thought. In your wildest dreams, maybe you're in game three of the ALCS. Wait, I'm misunderstanding.

Don't you think the whole point of signing him was for the playoffs? Do you think they thought they were making the playoffs? That's what I'm getting to. Do you really think they hoped? Let alone the CS. Of course. They hoped. Do you think they thought they were making the playoffs?

You think they signed him just to get through the regular season? and he barely pitched last year. He was hurt the whole year. I think they signed him because they needed PR, and he's a massive name, and he comes in and fulfills duties and wraps up your rotation, and they were hopeful they'd have a big bounce back.

They were clearly much more optimistic behind the scenes about the team that they had. But I don't think, even in their wildest dreams, they thought this is the situation they'd find themselves in. But here they are, and I will say this about Scherzer, he will be comfortable tonight. Well, can I make a comparison for you guys? He will definitely be comfortable tonight.

This whole thing has reminded me of Patcheretti last year where it's like you, and you maybe disagree, but like you don't really care about the regular season. But the least knew they were going to the playoffs when they signed Patcheroy. That's my point, Jonas. But I guess I'm just thinking if I'm them, I'm thinking with Patcheretti, if we can just get him. Do you have a dump in your shorts when Patcheretti was taking to the ice in the playoffs last year?

Did I have a what? Well, and you can hide him. He was on the second line. Remember, he didn't get your attention like this. He didn't play at the start of the playoffs. Like, remember, like, in the regular season, didn't go great. He was hurt a lot of the time. He was scratched some of the time.

Didn't play a bunch. I know, but my question, my last question was, did he scare you when he took the ice? You were like, nah, this might work out. It might not. No, I'm like, there is so much on the line with this guy. But so what is your, like, if you ask the Jays right now, you can guarantee this from him tonight, Is it three innings? Is it two innings?

Is it four innings? Two runs? Like, what would you take? I would say, well, I mean, if it can be runs, you do that. Like, if you gave you three innings and gave up two runs, would you take that? Probably, right? Yes, probably. Yes.

Like, I would, I haven't heard from Schneider today. I don't know exactly what they're planning. They obviously have a game plan for tonight. Scher's not going seven or eight innings tonight. And probably not going five. More than likely. won't. Like if the totals three and a half innings, would you go over or under?

Under. I'd have to go under, man. So if you'd presume then it's is it a Scherzer-Bassett split start? Like, is that what we're expecting tonight? Is it Scherzer for three? Bassett for two, you know, something like that? Can Scherzer give you nine or ten

outs? Can Bassett give you five? And then you go to the bullpen and you take it from there? That makes sense? Possibly what they're planning. Those two are buddies, so it's like Well, Ambassador seems very comfortable in the role that he's currently in, and he's saying all the right things. But the aura of Scherzer is what makes this incredibly captivating, because there clearly is anxiety where, you know, 10 years ago, this is a dream. 10 years ago, Seattle's driving to the park saying we are in massive trouble. Like, we are in huge trouble with Max Scherzer on the mound, and the bats are alive for the Blue Jays.

It's not 10 years ago. We don't know what he's going to bring. Castillo's on a mound, though, and the Js have hit him a lot this year. Like, the Js have been very comfortable with Castillo. And I think, again, with the bats coming alive last night, and they didn't just come alive. Like, they went on a bender. They didn't sleep for 36 hours. Like 18 hits, 13 runs, 5 home runs is absurd.

The stats. And it just kept going and going and going. And Bieber was great. After a disastrous first, it was a disaster in the first. It was a disaster in the first. I stand by that, but he was phenomenal the rest of the way to his credit. Yeah, to pump in six innings, that was like, thank you very much. Thank you.

And he could have kept going, but he didn't need to. And hopefully you save him because he's ideally going to pitch game seven if it gets there. You know what, home run, I think hopefully can be helpful, the barger one. And that was a tack on home late, but you're right. But maybe, just maybe that can give that guy just a little bit of something, something, where it's like he can build off it because he was in a rut, man, where it was like, he moved them down the lineup. Yeah.

You're right. That was big. I got to give credit to Andreas Jimenez, who started the offensive party last night and was doing interviews talking about, originally, you know, laying down bunts and was just going to try to get the runner over, the drag punt to Jonas Siegel play. And then it was just, I want to hit it in this direction so that we can move guys over. Then all of a sudden he hits a home run.

run. And I think you were talking about in that yard, it's like that's the big part. Yeah, it's the big, it's big boy home runs. It's not like other ballparks where you just got to swat it and it goes out. Big time. That was what was shocking, I think, for Seattle was. They're like this guy? Yeah.

Andreas Jimenez is burning us. And he went three for four last night. And Vladie was a triple away from the cycle. Man, he showed up. Vladdy had himself an evening last night. And I don't think, I'm curious where that would rank for you guys. a whole lot of probability on that yesterday, did we?

You guys didn't. You did? I said 100% he has a night. Go back and find the tape. Is that true? Doogie, confirm or deny? I said 100% Vladiazzi has a night. Full confirm.

You said it. That's a full confirm. You just put your headphones on and said full confirm. Did you have any? Did you check on anything? We posted that that social clip last night. Brian said it. That's right.

100%. And I didn't tell. them to post anything. I want that to be clarified. I didn't text, too, and I remember correctly, I was pretty low because I just didn't have any faith. Yeah, you didn't have a ton of faith. Nudels was

kind of hum-hawing. I think he was like 51%. Oh, yeah. He was like, I really believe 51%. So he'll claim belief. Yeah. But game one against the Yankees, game two against the Yankees, game three against the Mariners. How would you rank

those kind of Vladdy big night. He was great in game four two against the Yankees, but if you go game one, game two against the Yankees, game three against the Mariners. How would you rank the memorable games for Vladi? In which order? I'm going to go recency bias

because the season's over if that doesn't happen last night, isn't it? So that's number one for you? Yeah. I got to go game one. And see Yankees? It's the home run to start the whole party for the whole ride. Yeah. And he was struggling going into it and then he continued it. I'm going to say game one.

Interesting, because I was thinking game two, because that was a grand slam and the bat flip. So we all see it differently. But if I were to be swayed, I probably would lean towards what you're saying, Jonas, because the championship series holds more weight than the divisional series. Yeah, maybe, especially if you were like me and you left him for dead. Yes, had to happen last night. Had to happen. Well, if he doesn't hit that double, and you're like, oh, man, it's happening again?

Is he claiming that the assistant coach was holding him up at second? Yeah, the third base coach, he claimed after the game. because he loves going on Fox with Jeter and Poppy and he's no interpreter either. And he's right in there to his credit. He's like, you want me on? I'll come on and start talking after wins. I don't think he was talking out of the game wanted to. I'm sure they didn't request him.

But yes, he did claim that he looked up and you got to listen to the coach. And the coach, like, you know, threw up the stop sign. That's one where you'd think put your head down and burn it. Because that was in a perfect alley for a triple. Yeah. Perfect alley. And I thought he doesn't burn, but he can move for a big guy. He gets chugging.

He can chug. He can chug. I think that's happened only once, a cycle in the playoffs. I believe it's happened only once. You'll never guess the player. I saw it today. I was like, really? Historically, you're talking ever?

I believe so ever. Okay, who was it? Brock Holt. Do you remember him with the Red Sox? Brock Holt. He's like a utility guy? You remember? He had a cycle in which year?

Which run was that? I think it was 2018. Okay. This is not confirmed. This is like 60% confirmed. You can't confirm or deny? I believe that's what I read. Okay.

Might be fake news. Who knows? Yeah, we'll look it up. Doogie's on it, I'm sure. But, yeah, what a night that was. Like, credit to the Blue Jays, they fly across the country, and they're down to nothing quick, and they come alive. And tonight, you know, we'll see what the lineup is.

I'm sure it's out of it's not. We'll look that up. But the story is sure they're going into tonight, for sure. Like, it has the chance to be one of the most epic performances ever, because it could be the end of the ride for him. Like, this may be the last time we see him pitch, one way or the other. You know, you presume if they win and they get through, he'll pitch in the World Series. I told you how concerned I was about it, but there is that element where it is Max Scherzer,

and if there's anybody that can possibly turn back the clock, who knows, man? But it just seems so unlikely with how frequent. And he's an old, he's not a young guy. He's not a young guy. What's the Jerry's? on a good start. First inning clean for Scherzer. No run scored. He gets out of the first inning?

Let's just say the first inning he gets out of it. 20%. I think that's a fair percentage on this guy getting out of the first inning clean. I would say like 30 to 35. I think. 100%. You just want to claim credit. 100% doogie. And post it if he gets out of the clean.

He was like peak. Like if you had one game. to win in his prime he's like, he's not one, he's two with Verlander. Absolutely. I guess he go back to Howell. You go to Kofax or something like that, sure. But you're right. That's what I said. Again, 10 years ago, this would be

just a magical setup for them. But it's not. And it's really about him just surviving the first inning and then go as long as you can. The bullpen, though, is going to be ready to go. Like, they were not utilized much last night. Like, none of the guys we saw last night. They're not coming up tonight. Maybe Flew Hardy.

You think Pete Walker is going to have some old-school pager on his belt? He might not even use the horn. You might have to. Just a little click on the belt back there. Get that guy. Get up and be ready. Can you imagine if Scherzer sees these guys back there warming up before he even chucks one? Wow, that's the thing you're dealing with.

Like, everyone's saying it that being around him, he's just crazy. Like, he's just. I saw him throw a no-hitter in a, in, Washington, and he was going to have a perfect game. I don't know if you remember this. And the guy for the pirates, like, leaned in to get hit by a pitch right at the end. So he had a no-hitter instead of a perfect game. But he was like, that was like prime Scherzer.

And he had like this aura that you're talking about. And I remember at Nationals Park, I think they had this, remember, like, he has the eye thing. Yeah. And they had a big picture of his face with the eye and him just glaring. He's just like, I don't know. Oh, there was clips of him. I'm just holding the ball in this glove in front of his face, like swearing and yelling.

Yeah. It's a terrifying look. His whole vibe is terrifying. But he's going tonight. So game four in Seattle. More on that as we move throughout the afternoon. We got Leif's Rangers tonight. And the insider's coming up a little bit later this hour.

We got Luke coming up. It's all about the old guys tonight because Aaron Rogers, Joe Flacco, Thursday night football, and Max Scherzer for the Jays. Like you're going to be watching. and just guys over 40. What do you think Joe Flacco is going to do with that team? Nothing.

You don't think Pittsburgh's going to absolutely pump them. I suspect they will. They are playing in Cincinnati, divisional game on the road, short week. Never know. But the spread's pretty substantial. I think it's Steelers minus five and a half on Fanduel. Like they didn't want to call the Giants and sniff around what they had going on there? Yeah, exactly.

Get James Winston out. Yeah. why not some ws unless they're just punting on the season like burrow goes down and they're just going to punt and try to get a draft pick but then why trade for flaco well they've got

nothing they didn't give up anything for what did they trade what do they give up yeah but what is how much sense does flaco make over one of your young guys that you have in your sister I hear you it's a very valid question like what are your expectation I have no answer for that you're right if you're punting on the season you're telling those young guys

there's no way in how we can put you out on that field. Yep. You're right. If you're punting on the season, why even bring that guy in? Do you think Tomlin was trying to, like, manipulate them a little bit with his stuff about Flacco? Did you see that stuff? He basically said he didn't understand why Cleveland traded Flacco to Cincinnati. And, like, I wonder, like, is he thinking ahead of this game, like, butter up Flacko? What would be the point of what he said, I guess, is what I'm saying? Well, I need to hear the context on it, but he has been playing against Flacco for 20 years.

good flaco yeah but Baltimore Flacco played against Mike Tomlin probably yeah probably's played Tomlin more than any other quarterback Tomlin's ever faced I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case was Flacco the quarterback when they won the Super Bowl

yeah absolutely for the Ravens yes they beat the Niners members the Harbaugh ball that was Flacco and his stats in the playoffs were like unbelievable and they still are because they add up like over time he was like basically Joe Montana in the playoffs.

Who do you think has a better start tonight? Flacko or Scherzer? Wow, what a question. Scherzer. This guy's all in. This guy is dying for Duguey to post some clips of him supporting Scherzerzerzer. I'm just basically begging for it. It's a bigger moment.

Flacco, he's still learning there. Like he's been in Cincinnati for a week and a half, two weeks. It's completely new offense. the team's not that good. The offensive line isn't that good. I'll say Scherzer. You've got to hope it's Scherzer. That's the answer.

You got to hope Max Scherzer has something to give tonight. All right. Luke Wilson will join us just after five. We'll get his take on Flacco, Rogers, the Thursday nighter and other stories throughout the NFL. Game four of the ALCS tonight will tee that up. Game three of the NLCS. And again, Lease Rangers tonight.

We'll get to that as well. The insiders coming up, Overdrive, Continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. Overdrive continues, brought you by Fanduel, bringing you more ways to play your game, your way. Got Leif's Rangers tonight. Jonas, you've been down there? Wait, can I tell you guys something I just found? I'm going to tell you guys something.

I think it might be a low-scoring game. Leaves? Leif's Rangers tonight? Do you think the Rangers haven't scored? Yes. Forever? Because the Rangers can't score goals. So this is unrelated to that. Max Scherzer's last postseason start

was in the World Series 2023 he went three innings two hits, no run runs and the Rangers won 3-1 I'll take it take that all day you'll take that right okay yes there will be a

pitch count on this guy he's not going deep in the game just give them basically an opener with a Hall of Fame that's what it was starter like 36 pitches yeah just give them whatever you can get through the order once, probably, and then they'll take it from there. Yeah, I could see low scoring tonight.

Although, this is kind of like the Leafs running into Detroit. Oh, kidding. Like, you don't think those Rangers are going to be on notice after going three home games. No team has ever done it, not scoring a goal. New coach, you don't think the, it's the same thing. It's the exact same thing. He has put everybody on the New York Rangers on notice saying this better get better. It would be very surprising if the Rangers weren't flying early.

in the game tonight. And they've also got Shasturkin in net. Like whatever they did against the Nashville Predators, they weren't a real NHL team that night. It was loose. Their goaltender was way off his mark. It was kind of bizarre a world out there what the

hell was happening against Nashville. We always talk about like these guys have been around a while now. They better know that that's just not going to be the case. Yeah, you'd think so. he would assume so you never know early in the year

a lot of the underlying numbers for the rangers are pretty good so oh so they just get unlucky expected goals no puck luck for the rangers so that's what it is they just had no puck luck yeah it looks like it unfortunately for them you actually have to score

for it to count but that would indicate that maybe something's coming the rangers are not some terrible hockey team either. They have talented players. Last year was a disaster for them. They have to prove they can get back to playoff performance, you know, performances and playoff caliber. I'm not convinced

that they're going to do that. Ray said it yesterday. He's like they've got a couple lines that look like they can score, and they have a couple lines that look like they will never score. Right. Exactly. So if you can shut down the Panarans and the Zabinajads and the guys up top, that's going to be a challenge. Not too different than what teams say

playing against the Leafs. Yeah, that's right. You take away William Nealander, Austin Matthews, John Tavares. You're going to have some success probably. Yeah. But the Leaves have gotten some, you know, depth scoring, right? They've gotten some from further down the lineup. They've got a couple of defensemen that chipped in the other night. Callie Yarncrook.

Callie Yarncrooks looked okay. Rocket winner? Yeah. The question is, can he stay healthy? And that's always going to be the question. But, yeah, this is a game where if you're the Maple Leafs and you're Craig Barubei, you're two and two. You can't be overly ecstatic with the way you've played, but you're two and two.

and you're going to face a team that is very desperate this early in the year. And there's a lot of these teams. Like we talked about it yesterday, it's early. But there's some teams that you can tell have got to be panicking. They won't say it publicly. But in Ottawa, it's at the forefront, let's call it what it is. They're one and three. They got pumped by Buffalo last night.

Their goalie stink. Their penalty kill stinks. Their uniforms stink. I like those. Those were awful, awful uniforms. You like those. Those were great. The gold on them.

love them. No, I was not a fan. You paid everything, man. I'm not a fan. I got to be honest. What's wrong with that? Where's the history in that? Is that their history? That where did that jersey come from? I was watching it. This is the third jersey. It's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to have some jam. It's got some gold on it.

What's fun about that? The gold. What's not fun about it? You're going to have people from Ottawa? Bring it. I'm not a fan. I don't think it's a good look. I didn't like it last night. I was watching it and watching the highlights, and it dawned under me immediately. I'm like, who sign off on these uniforms.

And you get pumped 8-4, they can never come back. You get pumped 8-4 by Buffalo wearing those for the first time. That was the first thing I said when they wheeled out on the ice with those in the first period. I'm like, that's a sharp red jersey. You thought that looked good? I'm not a fan. I mean, I wore off a bit when the goals started going into the net, especially the one off the glass, off the goaltender.

That hurts. Those are always the most embarrassing. What was crazy about that game? Buffalo had four shots halfway through the game. I was like, oh, my God. Are they going to lose again? Like, what's going to happen here? But they had two goals, didn't they?

No, at that point they didn't. And then it was just like, then they took over the game. Second period, they had like 20 shots. Yeah. But Otto had a lot. It was just back and forth crazy. River hockey. But there was,

auto was one and three in Kachuk is going to be out for an extended period of time. And their goalies aren't playing great. Allmark will figure it out. He better. He has to. Like, non-negotiable. He's got to get to top of his game, Vezna-type form.

If they're going to, like, stop this slide. Well, their plan is it. Seattle they're playing tonight. And Seattle's been off to a pretty good start. But someone pointed this out online that Ottawa doesn't have their first round pick this year because of that crazy trade, the no trade list where they tried to force a trade or push a trade. Was it Daddanov, I believe? And the league dinged them for it.

And they had the option to either give up their pick in 24, 25, or 26. and they kept saying not this year, not this year, and now it's in 2026, but they don't have their first round pick. So, again, it's early. It doesn't mean they're chasing Gavin McKenna, or they're going to be in the race for it, but tough year could not have it. Because I didn't walk into this and dump this money to deserve this.

That wasn't my doing. That was a pure Dorian mistake, and Ann Lauer has not been happy about it. All right, we've got Rangers leaves on TSN4 tonight, which means Darren's in here. Here are the insiders. Gregs, Pierre Lebrun, good to see you guys joining us. Look at this inside a roundtable.

Everyone looking great. What's happening, guys? Doing all right? Yeah, doing okay. Okay. You can confirm that, right? Ottawa doesn't have their first round pick this year. I'm pretty sure that's the case.

And Ann Lauer has been furious about that ever since he bought the team. More or less, like trying to get the league to possibly give it back to them. But do you think that's going to happen? Because they're one and three and they don't have their first round pick. I would say at this stage it's unlikely, but in fairness, haven't checked in on it. I mean, I'd be shocked, but stranger things have happened. Yeah. That's tough, right? Because go ahead, Pierre. Just to jump in, guys, just by coincidence, I actually did check in on this last week.

It was one of my notes in one of my rumblings blogs in the athletic. And I don't remember why I did. Oh, I know why I did, because the new CBA next year has actually, after all of this down off fallout, which has been kind of wild, as Dregs can tell you, in terms of the PA and the league's reaction. They have, in fact, then the new CBA starting next year decided to force teams to submit no trade list to central registry so that you never have a situation again where a trade's going down and you don't realize that a guy has a no trade list. And you know the team's on the list. But in doing so, I checked with the league because

Anlar had been hoping all along that the league would change the it's mine and soften its stance on this penalty and that they wouldn't lose their first round pick. And what I got back from the league last week was there is no change. At this point, and I think Ann Loward knows this, they're going to have to lose that first round pick unless something changes at the last moment between now and June. Now again, it's early. It's four games. Ottawa's going to be okay, but what's the deal with Kachuk? Like Brady's not playing anytime soon, right? That's a big hit, man. Yeah, several

weeks. You know, there's, I don't know if it's official yet. I mean, there is a suspicion based on seeing a secondary doctor, another opinion, that he could require surgery and whether that's happened or not, or whether that's official. We're not getting that from the Ottawa senators. But we're not talking a month, as Travis Green suggested, that would be best case scenario. It'll be several weeks. You know, if, in fact, he has the procedure, it'll be several weeks. I mean, it could be as much as two months or maybe a little bit beyond. So, It's going to be interesting to see, and we'll talk about this on Insider Trading, how Steve Stales responds.

You don't replace a player like Brady. It's no different than what we've seen in Florida, but they do need internally guys to come together. The chemistry hasn't been there. It needs to be there. The execution hasn't been there. It needs to be there. Gregs, what about a save?

They need their starter. That wasn't their starter in there last night, and he had to go in there and chew on at their backup. But their starter, Allmark. He has got a return to Vesna Form. If they have any chance of climbing out of this. Yeah, and they felt like by the end of the preseason that Linus Allmark was rounding into that sort of game.

But it is going to have to be sustainable. Otherwise, the Ottawa senators are going to be in a jam. But I wouldn't also suggest, look, you look around the league, and most teams haven't played five games. So you've got to be careful in trying to attach, okay, well, this team needs this or that team needs that. In saying that, I do know that Stales, if he's not in the market now, will be in the weeks ahead, and in the second half leading up to the trade deadline for something bigger.

Not a seat filler, something that has some meaning and value. With Darren Dregor and Pierre LeBron, so in terms of goaltending, Vegas announced that Carter Hart has signed a PTO. And Dreg's, you tweeted out and reported that it's just a formality, and eventually he will sign a contract in Vegas. Correct. Yeah, look, I mean, like every team that's right up against the cap, I think that's really what the Vegas Golden Knights are working through is to have the flexibility to bring him in. The expectation is that it'll likely be a two-year contract for Carter Hart.

And then that's just a stepping stone for him. There's no guarantee that Carter Hart is going to step into the Vegas Golden Knights' crease and be better than Aden Hill or better than what they've had. But there's nothing but opportunity ahead for him either, right? You know, apparently he's talked about being in the best shape of his life. I would expect that to be the case physically. Seemed pretty calm through this process of coming back into the National Hockey League. So, you know, the Vegas Golden Knights are hopeful.

Carter Hart is hopeful. And if you get through two years and maybe they win another Stanley Cup along the way, then, you know, he's talking about a much bigger contract and the potential of way bigger money. Yeah, well, it's, I mean, obviously it's caused quite the stir. And Pierre, I know you've been down there, Board of Governors, and you're always contacting him. Sorry, you, Dreg's talking with the league.

I mean, what is the league preparing in terms of what this is going to look like? Like Carter Hart's going to be in the NHL. I don't know if any of the other team Canada players are close to signing or if there's teams kicking tires on them, you can tell us if they are. But how is the league approaching this into the future? Yeah, so Gary Bettman was asked about this yesterday after the Board of Governors meeting in New York. And he kind of gave a pretty generic answer.

just in the sense that, you know, we've announced our ruling. Everyone knows what the rules are. The teams understand where we are on this. And so teams will have to make their own decision is essentially what the commissioner said, which is something he's said a few times. And I don't want to read in between the lines when Gary Bettman says that, but I think what he's saying is understand, I guess, what you're getting into when you sign one of these players, I think is what he's saying.

And so, yeah, there was backlash today, you know, after the Vegas signing. From where, like, the organization, it's thought. by people in the organization. Yeah, I think mostly just around the league, fan base related, you know, those who maybe don't know all the facts of the details that led to, you know, the legal determination,

and then, you know, the things that the National Hockey League is put in place, keep in mind, Carter Hart, even though he's on the tryout and ultimately will get the contract from Vegas Golden Knights, these players can't play until December 1st. Right. So October 50 was simply a date in which the contract could be registered with the National Hockey League. With Darren Dregor, Peer-Labrunner, TSA Hockey Insiders.

Again, there's no easy answer to this conversation because it's obviously a story that, you know, there are some people in society that believe those players should never play again in the NHL, and that's clearly not what the NHL has decided. But when news surfaced that Carolina was considering signing the Cloud, for example, There was considerable backlash among some Hurricanes fans, and I think it's effect that Carolina's thinking on it, where they're probably not going ahead with that now. So, again, it's not one of those conversations where it's just about hockey.

So Chicago won big last night, and it's a tough segue, but Connor Bajard was unbelievable. There was some tweets, Hazy, that said Chicago may be turning a corner. I was like, wow. I'm not going that distance, but the, The Olympic stuff is interesting. I don't see him on this team, and I have not seen him on this team, just because of how young he is.

And if he's going to play deeper in the lineup, I don't see Cooper feeling overly confident with him on a fourth line, checking line with Sorrelli and Bennett or something like that. But he looks good. He does look. He looks pretty good. Do you think there's a chance he's at least poking at Doug Armstrong saying, don't forget about me before we get to Italy?

Well, look, I mean, Pierre, you chime in on this, because you're a lot closer to that situation than I am. I feel like there has to be a chance. I think that you have to allow the possibility for a young guy with this sort of skill pedigree to play his way into that conversation. I think, was it like a 29th multi-point game for Connor Bernard? What about just game breakers stuff, drags? The World Junior Team in Ottawa this year, they could have used a few more game breakers.

And I'm pretty sure after that tournament they said, we went about it the wrong way and we needed a game breaker here or there. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, he's got to be in the conference. conversation. He is. And, you know, I asked Doug Armstrong specifically about Bedard and Salabrini a couple weeks ago. And there's a couple of things that the Team Canada GM said.

One is that they didn't invite those two kids to Calgary for the Olympic camp because they're future stars for Team Canada or whatever. They invited them because they think they can make the team. You know, the notion that, well, maybe you take one of those kids so that they get their feet wet and for the, and then the next Olympics in four and a half years. already. No, if one of these kids makes Team Canada for Bilan is because they think they can be a player in that tournament is what Armstrong said. And I think they're getting a real look

and to use Armstrong's words, if either Bidard or Celebrating, pop. That was the word he used. Pop. In the opening two months of the season, they have a legit chance to make the Olympic team. That'd be a cool story. I feel like there's too many guys which is a good thing. No, like I mean like there's just too many guys for them to hop over. Oh, then they have to get over like veterans established four nations players you're saying that's hard to argue yeah like

i'm just looking at the scores for team canada the last few years or just like canadian players it's like mckenon macdavid marner crosbie reinhart that's five all making it right point six Suzuki i think he'd be on the team and he wasn't even on the four nations yeah but i you know that next Suzuki for me that is debatable okay only in the sense that okay that he hasn't shown up for the world championship? And that's left a stain on his resume. Now, he played well in the second half of the year last year. He played like a player who should be higher up the chart than I've got him. And chances

are that he's going to make it. But he's got to have a real good run here, a real good start for the Montreal Canadiens to stay in that grouping. Because otherwise Jonas is right. How do you factor him in? If you If you're not allowing Bedard to play his way into the mix, especially if Nick Suzuki is just hanging on there, then it doesn't really matter. Well, and it's going to be a different style of play over there too, right? Like, I know we're all, we all love the Four Nations.

They're not fighting and throwing massive hits over there. It's not going to be the same game. It's going to be a very different game. And that, I think, is more conducive to Celebrini and Bedard, possibly, you know, pushing their way in. And, like, I look at a guy like Sam Bennett, who we all love. I love Sam Bennett. I love him in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

Love them at the Four Nations. Am I going to love him at the Olympics? I don't know. What about Marchand? That's another one. Are you going to take, like, he was great in the playoffs and he was fiery, but he's 37, 38. Go ahead, Pierre. You can, you chime in on this.

Well, aside from Suzuki, which is an obvious bubble name who wasn't on Four Nations, Robert Thomas and Mark Schifley or two other, you know, real obvious bubble names that I know Team Canada is tracking closely. You know, it's a 25-man roster for Milan as opposed to 23 for four nations. So there's actually two extra roster spots, something else to keep in mind.

But, yeah, he can't take everyone. The one thing I'll say, and I think this is always something we forget, is that the tournament in Milan is going to be played on NHL ice, not on international ice. NHL ice dimensions. So, you know, I'm not saying that definitely guarantees Sam Bennett makes it again, to your point A's, but it is NHL-sized ice. now if they get the rink built in time,

which I won't even get into, because I've been tracking that story the last 24 hours about the arena delay construction delays. So there are building an NHL roster is what I'm saying, not necessarily like 30 years ago where you're worried about all the extra ice and international hockey. Yeah, that's kind of strange,

but that's usually what happens with these massive tournaments. Like go down to BMO Field. They don't have that thing complete, and the World Cup's right around the corner. So is it strange that the ice is not going to? complete? Yes. What about that bridge at the President's Cup? That bridge was supposed to be done a year before it was about

done. That's right in Montreal. Yeah, and it was like, what did this creep up on you guys? Or what? Not getting it done. We'll figure it out. Just to wrap up the roster talk here and to play devil's advocate, I remember when Canada was building its 2010 Vancouver team, Eizerman and Babcock just wanted, they wanted a team that would win a 2-1 hockey

game. They didn't care about the scoring. They cared more about the defense side. That was the strategy. I mean, do you employ some of that? I mean, look around the top scores in the NFL right now, and you look at Team USA, man. Yeah. I mean, do you build your

roster to a degree with that sort of thinking in mind? More Stanley Cup playoff related than the young guns or high-flying offense. That would be a guy like Sam Bennett. Or Brandon Hagel is a guy we haven't mentioned. He's probably going to be a game.

Sorrelli's a winner. Wyatt Johnston. Possibly, but young guy without that experience. That's Jarvis. Didn't he make the Four Nations? He did. He was there. Connectney was there. Like I was like that. Yeah, we'll see. Okay, boys. Good stuff. Thank you for doing this, as always. We'll catch you guys next week.

Thank you. There they are. Darren Dregor. Pieler-Brunner, TSN Hockey Insiders. All right. Luke's coming up in about 20 minutes. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. All right. Luke Wilson coming up in studio. Steelers Bengals tonight.

Owen Wilson on the clock. I had, I think Noodle's brought this up. You brought this up before with your kids. I had my first don't walk me to the gate because it's embarrassing moment this morning. Which I always feels like a big moment in parenting. You know, my oldest is almost 10.

And I was told, you stay in the car, do not get out of the car. Not allowed. It's loser behavior. Don't do it. Did you get out? No. All right, fine.

You got to walk your sister that. I'm not getting, if you want me to not get out, you got to do the whole walking and make sure everyone's there. I'm okay with that. But it was a shot to the ego because, you know, you're doing the drop off and the walk and the hugs. And I got the first not happening. Yeah. You're not coming anymore. Wait till you get the, can I have your credit?

card for dinner and then you say well where are we going and they say you're not coming exactly you're not invited but you're paying for it that's right you'll be paying but that's not far away yeah i know right around the corner but that one stung this morning it does it's a kick in the pills where you're like that what i was just you feel like you're not cool like i'm not cool enough to wheel around there and say hi give a few yeah exactly what am i doing i'm not i'm not singing or dance or a jig Stop and chats, Hello's, a couple waves.

A couple of how's everyone doings? What's wrong with that? What's wrong with that, Jones? You're embarrassing. I know. And that's what is, like this day in particular, you got Scherz run a mound, who the whole thing is probably as an old guy,

my age or younger than me, Flacco and Rogers and the whole broadcast tonight will be, can you believe how old these guys are? Like, that's going to be the whole broadcast. Look how old this pathetic loser is. And they're my age. Yes, I never thought about it.

Like when you talk about Scherzer and Flacco and Rogers, I always think of them like eight years older than you. Yeah. They're your age. They're my age. Well, they're old for the league, right? They're ancient. I know. But the way he just put that, I always thought of him as way younger than those guys.

No. The exact same age or they're younger than me. And I can't walk kids to the gate anymore. Like, I'm just an old. But didn't the younger one support you? Kind of. Like more to bother her sister than anything else. It was more like, no, I want him to come.

Not because she really wanted me to be there, but because it was going to bother my oldest. But then eventually they hash that out, and then she was totally fine with it too, which also stung. Like, why aren't you fighting a little bit harder for me to walk you to the gate? Yeah, it happens fast, man. Real fast.

The drop-ops will just get farther away, too. Oh, absolutely. Like, don't even get close to the school. Don't you remember doing the same thing when you were a kid? Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. But I thought I was in like, I thought I recall doing that in like grade eight or something. Yeah. And that was more, not necessarily to school, but exactly it was like, hey, we're going, you know, drop me off at someone's house and there's other people there and just here's good and I'll walk it in. Dude, me and my brother were late for high school one time and we called our grandfather who lived around the corner.

So he comes in the house to grab us. We go in the car and he would wear my grandmother's sunglasses. He sat on them, and one lens came out, and he decided he was still firing them on. And at King City High School, all the smokers, which were a lot of cool people, were right outside along where you pulled in. And he wheeled in with one lens in. And me and my brother, I swear to God, we might have been curled up on the floor in the back of this in front of his car. That's where you stop, drop and roll, man. like you stop and drop and roll into the school. Yeah, one, and it was a purple lens, I'll never forget.

One lens was popped right out, and he just didn't care. I can't tell you how much I respect that he could not care less. No, didn't even try to put the, nothing. It's just I'm wheeling in there with one lens. I'm doing you a favor. That's right. You can shut it if you got a problem. Did he honked a horn?

No, he just wheeled in there like Uncle Buck, like just didn't care. Uncle Buck. his wheels in that movie. One of the great car appearances. Car name appearances of all time. Everything. Uncle Buck. Anyway, so yeah, we got a bunch of old guys playing sports tonight. That's effectively what it is.

And, you know, again, when you look at the Blue Jays, last night, Vladiguro Jr., and I've seen the stats, and everyone's been pointing out the stats, that he's, I think, seventh all time and OPS through a certain amount of playoff games, and he's played seven games now. And it's actually enough data, which is what is necessary in baseball. I'm sure you love this, Jonas. Got to have sample size.

Enough data for what? It's enough to actually make that statement that it's one of the great playoff runs you'll ever see. Because after a game or two, you can't say, this is as great. No, you can't really do that. But it's TBD right now. And you got to. Yes, you got to get, you got exactly, it will be forgotten if they lose in the CS. Yeah, like judge in the first.

first round. I don't think it'll be forgotten. Don't you think that Blue Jays organization will be we just got to get Bladdy back to the playoffs because he could do this? Yeah, let me rephrase that. It won't be forgotten in Toronto. In terms of the history books in baseball, American baseball pundits aren't going to reference Vladian 25.

No. Right? Some kid has a great playoff run in 10 years. They're not going to say, this reminds me of Vladdy back then. You got to win in order for that to be cemented. But he's, there's enough games, enough at bats where you're like, this guy's statistics are off the charts. Isn't like Springer right up there for postseason home runs, too?

Yes. Which, again, is a little bit deceptive because there's wild card rounds now in the division. You know, like back in the day, it was just right into the World Series 100 years ago. And guys didn't hit home runs to the same extent. Like even in terms of what the fight he's doing right now, he's matching team records.

And the Jays went to back-to-back World Series in the 90s and he's passed a lot of those guys, if not all of them. All right, hour two coming up. Luke will join us. Leith Rangers tonight. Jays Mariners' Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on the TSNNF. You've been listening to Overdrive, powered by Fanduil.

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