OverDrive - OverDrive - October 22, 2025 - Hour 1 - Shawn Green

Episode Date: October 22, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Maple Leafs' defeat to the Devils, Craig Berube and Anthony Stolarz's comments on the team's performance, the early season struggles in October, Auston Matthews needing to bring more on the first line, the depth of the team looking for production and the Oilers snagging a victory against the Senators. Former Blue Jays and Dodgers Infielder Shawn Green joins to discuss the Blue Jays in the World Series, the matchup against the Dodgers and 1993 roster.

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All right, here we go, overdrive off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app. Your home smart speaker up on TSN4. Ryan Hayes, the O'Dog, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Nudles McClennon. That's going on. What's going on? Afternoon. And I'd like you to be introduced to my son, Brian.

Great to see you. Great to see you, pops. I saw that. Like, who would mistake that? Dude, I was so horrified. Like, it just so crazy when she said, I haven't seen your son in a long time. And I'm like... Your son.

Yeah, I was like, Haste doesn't come in here that often. And then somebody, look at my face is so horrendous around. That's the wrong picture to use to. I know. Like, that's uncalled for it. But the worst thing would be if she was talking about like, and she was dead serious, too, she wasn't screwing around. But can you imagine if she was talking about like Duthy?

Duffy's like seven years older than me. Right. If you went the opposite way. Yeah. Like maybe you just look. I don't think if you was looking old. I don't think you're in. No, he looks great.

There's only one time in the history of this show where he has looked old, and it was when you two were at the hockey game. Yeah, the long hair pick. Yeah, the alumni box. The alumni box photo looks like a father at that. You look like El. Alf from Malmack. Yeah, that's the one time when you look like an aging elf.

That's a father-and-son picture. A 70-year-old elf from Malmack. Yeah, Elf. But the thing is, If she was, like, do you, can you remember, like, any 17-year-old, like, guys? Like, I don't know what the hell she was talking about. Maybe she was talking about Dugie. She must think you're my son.

Could it be Dugie? Like, is it possible? It's Dugie. Like, Dugie could possibly fit that role, but Duggy's not on any posters anywhere. He could be mine. I'm 54 years old. Duggy's, like, 22. He could be my son.

Duggy, if you're there, have you ever even been in the calf? Like, tell us, you've got to let us. But he's not on the poster, though. Like, they wouldn't know who... That's right. Because I looked at the poster, Jamie, and I go, is it this guy right here? And I pointed to Hay's face, and she goes, yeah, your son. And I just said, that's it, man.

That's it. Alf from Al-Mack is out. Alf is out. And I take that as a shot, too, because I know I've got somewhat of a younger-looking face, a baby face. But not that extreme. No kidding. You know, it's not like I'm... I look like I'm 17.

And by the way, what did she think, like, bring your son to work day, 34 to 50 times a year? Every day, all the time. It's bring your kid to work day. She might have thought, isn't there a show in the States that's quite famous and there's like an old guy that's in the middle? I can't remember. Well, Levitard did that forever. Lebitard used to do that. He used to bring his dad in with him.

Yeah, that's who it was. It was his dad with Mina Kimes. yeah well they yeah they had their show and the dan lebitard show with stu gotz and they used to do a they used to do a tv show too i don't remember what it was called but did the dad chime in or did you just sit there for a lot of the time he'll say the odd thing mostly but sometimes he would chime in with little comments here or there and they get a heavy thick like spanish accent and right like i remember the play card up every once in a while i remember us being in studio and me pointing and going who is that and you like laid it out for me

Exactly that. You're like, that's that guy's dad. And guess who is that guy on our show? It's O's Poppy from the Dan Lovetard show. That's your new nickname, Poppy. You and Austin Matthews. Poppy, O'Neill. Big Poppy.

Poppy. Overdrives over. The O Dog loses. The O Dog loses. The O Dog is gone. Now it's Poppy. Poppy. Yeah, so we established that yesterday, and that's great.

And now I've got to go in there and try to get to the bottom of that, which I will do. I might play on with it, too, but like, have you seen my dad around here looking for him? He said, you should have. You got to go up and order a sandwich and just say, I can't find my dad. That old bastard is wandering around here somewhere. Is he stuck underneath a fridge or a oven or something? Yes. I'll set the alarms off.

I'll head into the diner and say, I'm looking for them. Have you seen him? That's him right there on the poster. Yeah, the guy in the blue and white jacket. He's lost. That's him right in the middle. And there's what, Uncle Noodles? Like, how do you factor this?

I'm not sure. Who knows? Like, that's the thing. Everyone's so friendly there. It's just, they probably just misconstrued. But like, you're right. Like, maybe is it a father and son show with the uncle? Possibly.

Possibly? That's what it is. I don't know. We'll figure that out. I guess we've got to find that out. What does noodles's role? Is he the neighbor? Maybe you're the wacky, wild and wacky neighbor.

And Kramer. Yeah, you're Kramer. Exactly. Well, speaking of Poppy, you know, we'll get into the Blue Jays today. We're going to talk a lot of Jays throughout the week and throughout the World Series clearly. Sean Green coming up later in the hour, which is great. Former Jay and former Dodger, you know, knows both markets really well

and tracking both teams. We'll catch up with Sean. But I can't imagine it going much worse for the Leafs after the big stole-out's, you know, call-out moment. Like, your goalie comes out, lays it on the line, basically challenges everyone from top to bottom, and you go out there and play like that and lose like that. I guess the message did it just not get through? What do we make of how the Leafs responded last night? Remember what I said, though?

I was concerned that it shined a light on him. And that's, like, oh, you, I don't know how you agreed. Like, I just didn't like that. I respected the fire. I respected the honesty that he felt. But I said, all it does is shine a light on your play. And, oh, you even said, if he lets in a muff and Willie, Willie's going to be looking from the bench going, we need to save here. It didn't play very well last night.

He wasn't great. I don't think he was the reason they lost. No, I agree. I agree. I agree. Now, the post-game comments, why don't we play these? Because these are way more concerning than the ones from the other night. Like way more, exponentially more concerning.

Here is how Anthony Stollars analyzed his team's game last night. Yeah, I thought it was a really good effort by the boys tonight. You know, they're a skilled team, you know, and for me personally, that, you know, that fourth goal, that's when you want back. You know, you want to be able to go into the third period, get the guys, you know, a fighting chance and be able to, you know, make, keep it a one goal game. And at that point, anything can happen. You know, I love the effort tonight.

Guys were battling. You know, you look at the back check, you know, the block shots getting in lanes. You know, I thought we did a lot of good things tonight. I don't know what he's referring to because I had to sit on the panel for that game. Like, that third goal was a terrible goal. A turnover by the top line, they all changed. And then Jack Hughes got sprung loose. Like, I just don't know what he's talking about.

I walked away from that game saying, like, you know what's a bad game when it feels really long? you're just like oh my god and then you're looking down like how is this like good lanes and like doing a lot of good things that's your top line coughing it up and then jack hughes just wheels down yeah i just i don't i refuse to believe that that's an honest assessment it scares me it's not though brian no it is it's overcompensating for a saturday's yes that's what it is that's exactly what it was and that that concerns me more and this was my fear because I loved the fact that he was honest and human and raw because we haven't seen it in 10 years and now he's got to fit back in this is the PR machine wheeling around go and now you

got to go out there and say love the effort loved what we saw tonight they were terrible last night there's no there's no sugar coating at the least were awful last night they were awful and they there was there was not really any positives that came out of the game I can't find many I mean I leave it to you guys if you can't but that screamed yes and overcompensation that's probably a softer way of putting at noodles but that says to me there were feelings hurt there were people that got on them there was a mea culpable from him being like won't happen again and now this is what we're going to get and now what you got is a scenario with stolars wall's not coming back who knows when he's

coming back like they're not even going to answer on him anymore who knows what he's dealing with He's not around and he's not playing anytime soon. So everything's going to be on his plate. Outside of back-to-back, Stollors is playing. And now if he's dealing with this, or he says what he says, and now he's got to swing the other way, and he's got to think about that,

and he's overthinking plays and how he plays and the goals he gives up, that's got the potential to be really messy. It does. It does. And I just, right when I heard that, I cringed, like that's not yeah there's no way that's honest man like there's no way that would have been a situation as much as i talked about him coming out and talking like that ha's what i didn't like

about it is because when you do that you make yourself it makes it seem like you're the only guy that cares and you just seem like a hero but i almost would have had more appreciation for him doubling down saying man that was just not the response that i was thinking of yes same including someone else if he said that if he said right of course like just me first me first Even Duffy, I think he teed me up with a question talking about, like, building off the excitement of the Jays and having a response to the last game. And they had nothing from the drop of the puck, I thought. Like, it was just, they talked about New Jersey having the speed and the skill and having the puck all night. And I was like, that's exactly right.

That's what happened. They got skated out of the rink by a skilled New Jersey team, and there was not a lot of pushback. Top line, it is a revolving door on the right side, which is turning into a. circus and you know the coach is starting to hate it because he's like i'm kind of getting sick of trying somebody out there he said it himself he's like i'm getting sick of putting people there on that right side that you know you mentioned comments brian like chief didn't pull any punches either like he was shooting straight saying you know tired what did he i think his his comment was like i'm getting tired of this or well we can play it we have it here's here's craig

Rubei on the effectiveness of the top line, the play of the top line, and the revolving door on the right side. Right. I think early on in the season, I thought, you know, they were getting their opportunities and looking pretty good now. It's like, you know, it's obviously not good enough. I don't feel like they have any sustained pressure in the offensive zone at all. It's one and done or out or, you know, they don't. They don't have any sustained pressure in the offensive zone. You said at the start of the year that might be a long process of experimentation.

Well, it could be, but I'm getting tired of it, to be honest with you. Yeah, he's not in a good place, man. Again, they're 3-3-1. They have a long history of having a slow start in October. And that comment can go to two different ways, guys. I'm tired of trying to find the right fit, or it could mean I shouldn't have to be worrying about who is on the right side with the best player on our team. So it's one

of the two things. It's the latter one, in my opinion. I don't care if Al's brother is playing right wing with Austin Matthews. You can't it can't always be, well, the right winger's not good enough. The right winger doesn't get it done. Matthews has got to be better. I mean, let's just call it what it

is. He's got to be better. If it's won and done, it's not the right winger that runs a cycle, but the right winger is the first guy in on the forecheck every single time. Right wingers, the guy with the puck on a stick every single time. Austin Matthews and Matthew Nyes, Nyes got his deal. He's a big boy now too, right? He's a big part of this team. But Matthews, we talked a lot about it leading into the season. How does he take on this challenge? A lot of people starting to doubt him. A lot of people are wondering if he's

on the other side, you know, of the prime of being the true number one goal score in the league. And I refuted that. All three of us did. I push back on it greatly. And again, it's only seven games, but I thought this guy would come out like a rocket this year to prove he doesn't need Marner, to prove he's healthy, to prove last year was just a right-off season, happens to the best of us, and by the end of the campaign, very possible, that still happens. I would still say I believe that will happen, but I have not been impressed with the start. I don't see how anybody could be. Chief said early on, like early on the first few games, they looked really good.

I don't even agree with that. Like, I don't agree with it. There was a segment, even a short segment where it was like, wow, they're all dialed in and they're getting tons of opportunities. It's been one and done. I've never seen him and his line mate spend so much time in their own zone. Like, they're in their own zone and just caved in there all the time, and I've never seen that before. All the time.

Yeah, I know we don't like talking about him anymore or whatever, but, like, the Marner effect is real, and there has to be a new normal. It can't be to this extent, though, Nuddles. I'm not saying, but I'm not saying to this extent, but I'm saying, keep in mind, not only skill-wise, Mitch is really good defensively. So, you know, he makes a pass, he controls the play in the neutral zone. He was a guy. You talk about sustained pressure.

He was a guy who kept plays alive, too, by holding onto the puck, by doing. Now, again, you're not replacing him, and I'm not saying. But what we talked about, and this is why I brought it up, Brian, as you said, Austin needs to prove that he can play without Mitch there's an adjustment period and he doesn't look like he's adjusted it looks like you're you know and that's where my point is it's you know because Mitch you kind of had a little bit of a slow start in Vegas but this Jack Eichel he's been playing with him this guy's been the best

guy in the league well and he's been playing with hurdle that's the thing is even further down the lineup exactly like you look at it I just I'm not blaming it on Mitch what I'm saying is Austin, I'm coming back to your point. Austin needs to find the way what makes him successful. That's shooting the puck. That's being an offensive force. That's holding onto the puck, using his strength.

And I think, you know, having Mitch all these years, Mitch was a guy who could put Austin in situations where he would get a look or could do that, where the cycle didn't die because Mitch was really good at picking pucks off, that type of stuff. They don't have that or they haven't had that. And it's been an adjustment. Not saying that they can't adjust, not saying 10 games from now, this doesn't look and feel different. But right now, the first, what are they, seven games in, it's looked and felt different. That team looks and feels different on a lot of different levels.

And Austin is the guy who is a top-tier player who has to drag them out of it. It's awesome. It feels like, and I've described this to a couple different people at work, it's like, Mitch Marner is an unbelievable player, one of the best players. But it feels like three Mitch Marners have left. Yeah, you said that. It really does. It feels like three of them have left.

Excuse me. And it feels like there's no... Like, we can break down all the different parts of their game. Like defensemen getting slow back to the puck, special teams, top line. But there is simply not enough people playing well enough. Yeah, that's fair. There's been spurts of William Nylander. Morgan Riley had his two days in the sun.

And it was like, oh, everyone, look at Morgan Riley. and then after that everything is settled down and everyone is just out there and it seems like and this is what happens when teams are struggling everyone is just like in slow motion going through the motions where it's like who is playing extremely well right now

other than some spotty spots of William Neelander dashes that creates plays like last night like no one is playing consistently well right now and that's why you got what you got and the way we're talking the way we're talking yeah exactly and who's different who's a difference talk about difference makers who is it

right now. It is really the most dynamic player right now on the team, clearly. By a lot. Clearly. Yeah. He's making dynamic plays. And beyond that, yeah, I can't give you an answer. I mean, Matthews has had spurts, and Matthews is always going to be good defensively and good on the draw.

And he's going to bring different elements, but he's got to be the man. I mean, he's got to be. And, you know, you look at Dry Settle last year, that guy was playing with fourth liners at times on a his wing. Literally, fourth liners, third and fourth liners. And he said, throw anybody at me and come along for the ride. And Sid's done that to his course. He made them better players.

Absolutely. And that's what has to happen. That's just a reality. Marner's not rolling back into that room, and they're not acquiring anyone that's going to be even close. No. They don't happen. They don't have the assets.

Chris Coonitz and Pascal DuPui. Yes. And that's kind of what I brought up. It wasn't, hey, you know, they miss Mitch and that's. sit and it's all over. It's more about the Mitch effect on Austin and Austin's stepping up and finding a different way to lead

and to get his looks and do all of these things that makes him the best goal score in the league. And it is an adjustment, but he's not there and he hasn't. Chief's not wrong. One and done, these are one and done plays. The other thing, too, last year, they were

extremely healthy on the back end. I don't know how long there's TANF injury, but they look different without can have, I'll tell you that. They will, for sure, but that's another thing about the start. Again, 3-3-1, it's not the end of the world. They've done this before in October, but they've had a very soft schedule and a home-laden schedule.

They're at home. They don't travel. They haven't been on the road. They just play home games. And it's been a soft schedule. They brought back the same goalies, I guess Walnut was standing right now, clearly, but Stollars has been here and healthy. The exact same sixth defenseman came back.

They didn't make one change. And yes, Marner's gone in a few. new players are here but for the most part it's the same team that walked off the ice against florida in may you know and and the idea that that's how you finished last season now you've had some turnover and it's substantial turnover and people all eyes are on you what do you have and this is the start it's got to be disappointing for everyone you know within the organization and what they have here is there's a difference between being a veteran team and being an old team And they're playing like an old team as opposed to a veteran team.

And there's a difference between being big and playing heavy. They're big because it says so on the score sheet. You know, it says so on their profile that they're tall and weigh a lot. But they're not playing heavy. You know, but that's what they're trying to get to. And that will take some time. And if it gets there, I think it can be very advantageous for them. I think it can work.

I think especially come playoff time, that's where it can help. If you're a big veteran crafty team that leans on to, teams and, you know, is in the fight and plays well systematically and goes to the dirty and tough areas, if that team's in there, and it very well could be, then this can all work in the end. Yeah. They just got to get there. And I always referenced the L.A. Kings.

They had a system and a style that was very advantageous to them come playoff time. But they never, like, they had to grind a couple years just to, like, get in. Right. It wasn't an easy thing for them because Daryl Sutter made them play a certain way and nothing was easy. They were not allowed to float. They were not allowed to cheat for offense. And they've got to find a balance, at least, to get in. I think their, oh,

I think their first cup, they came in eighth place. They did. They did. Backward into the playoffs. Yeah. And then they went on two games. Yeah, went on a massive heater. But, you know, listen, it's early. There's a lot of teams in the same bucket. Yep. But we talk about this. You're right. But we talk

about this team. Like, that's the thing. You know, Florida found a way to dig out. You know, I look at it. Montreal's in Calgary tonight. Montreal's lost to the Rangers the other night, but they're a really good team. You look around. You got an opportunity here on Friday and Saturday against Buffalo. Like, that's not going to be a cakewalk. You might think it might be a cakewalk, but the Buffalo always plays them pretty tough. Yeah, it's, for me, it's like the worst time to play home at home with them. Because... No kidding. The ghosts of 15 years ago seem to be swirling

around. Exactly. It's exactly that. Like ass face shooting it in the empty net. That's all I see when I go to sleep. When was that? We were sitting there in Buffalo and Caber. We went over that replay with it. Right there in Buffalo. I believe Salute Gate was against the Sabres, too.

I believe. Don't quote me on that. But the thing is about the Sabres is if you beat them, you're supposed to. You're supposed to. No one's going to give you credit for beating the Sabres. If you lose to them, then it's. It gets noisy again, right? The Jays can only give you so much shelter.

I think anything in the Atlantic is a coin flip right now. Any matchup in the Atlantic is a coin flip. I don't think you could say anybody is supposed to beat anybody if there's an Atlantic Division matchup. Yeah, you're right. Johnny and Duthy were talking about how, you know, it should be spaced out with better teams. I think it's just a free-for-all right now.

I think you've got eight teams. Eight teams at all. Is there a team? I guess Detroit and Montreal, happy with their start. Everybody else is not happy. No. And, you know, grinding and going, okay, long season, let's see,

got to get points every night, all of that type of stuff. There's all a clichés coming out of six organizations, and two of them are like, hey, we're happy with our star. And keep in mind, it was what, a week and a half ago on this show, we're talking about Todd McClellan melting down after game one. That's right. They haven't lost since. You're right.

Like, what about our Canadian coach mood meter? How many coaches would be happy in the case? Canadian coach mood meter right now. Winnipeg. Arneal would be and Marty St. Louis. And nobody else. No, I don't think anybody else would be like up there saying this guy's really happy right now on top of the mood meter.

Nobody. Where about in Vancouver? What? Four and three? They might be a little bit. He might be in the middle. They're okay. Yeah, Vancouver.

Adam Foote's probably, he's probably okay. Yeah. It's probably okay. Calgary's a mess right now. Edmonton, obviously. They got one last night. but they haven't been happy. The Leafs aren't happy, clearly.

Ottawa, Travis Green has got to be snapping right now with the injury to Kachuk, and they lost again last night. Yeah, it's early, but it can get ornery quick, right? You get a little bit disjointed and feel a little bit uncomfortable. I did that game last night, guys, and I chuckled because I said, I thought it was going to be an OT game and a tight game, and it really was because both teams needed to win, right? So I thought to myself, if Knoblock and Green met at Santa Rice at noon yesterday,

it was a handshake going, we'll have a tie, get to overtime, we'll both take a point, and then coin flip in overtime. And that's really what happened. Both organizations are like, we need something. And Evanton looked like they had some life, and so did it on it. It was actually a pretty, it was a methodical game, but it was a pretty good game. Both teams really worked hard. But, man, oh man, like that, 97.

29 boy they when they wanted to turn it on they were they were turning it on i love mc jesus but i he didn't get a penalty on that one play on redly gregg on the on the yeah i thought it was a trip like you know what if you if you play it i don't know if we have the replay he reaches around and taps i actually i should have pointed it out on the broadcast but it was already past i saw a better view of it when he reaches around watch he reaches and he pulls he taps his left leg and then reaches around to the right side he put it he actually spun him off balance and that's where i i think the rep was like okay he's messing with them but he didn't trip him but he did in essence he did trip him because he pushes on his left leg while he strident and then goes around the right side and

pokes him and it was a i mean i thought it was a penalty crafty crafty and i guess he got away with it so you're not to explain anything and that howard that was his first goal so anyways it was it was Coming back to the original point, in the Atlantic, six teams are not happening. Yeah, Boston's, you know, they've thrown away a good start, some good will. Oh, yeah, their start is like, that's over. Yeah, you're right, and I guess you can take solace in that if you're Baruba and company. You know, three, three and one, not great. It should be better with the start.

You had an opportunity to have a great start, but it's not horrendous. You're right there. We do this every year, guys. Every year they do in October. Yeah. Every year. What are they doing out there? Are these guys going to be any good?

And Hayes says that every year they're going to end up with 100 points. So what we're seeing right now is somewhat concerning. It's just not good enough. Like we said, not enough players are playing good enough. But in the past, regardless of the personnel, they've got it together. So they have. Yeah, they have. And it's on them to push the right buttons and get going here for sure,

because the rest of the division is allowing you to do that. We ever can get hot for like 15, 20 games. You might be able to cruise. to the finish line. Game 1 of the World Series Friday night. Sean Green will join us, help us tee that up. We've obviously got the Raptors starting their season up tonight. Down in Atlanta, we'll tee that up later this afternoon.

Roleplay level of concern coming up. MJ, calling a game last night. MJ out there doing some skates with Austin Matthews as well. Like that Johnny went no helmet. I like that. I thought he'd wear a hat or something. You can't wear a helmet with a visor for that taping. Maybe not a visor.

Put a helmet on. Throw a helmet on. When you go out and coach your kids, do you have to wear the bucket? Yeah, of course. Hockey Canada, man, you have to. You have to. No cage, though. No visor, no cage.

Sometimes, no chintzrap. Sometimes. Just to make sure everyone knows you're out there. You're an adult out there. Yeah, there's a true talent out there that's really making things happen. All right, overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. That's annoying.

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of the World Series Friday night. And man, the World Series knocking the Leafs down on hockey night. not even playing at 7 o'clock on Saturday. That surprised me. Wow. I have to be honest. Man, they go to Vancouver and they play at 7 o'clock Eastern Time.

Like this is one more thing people in Vancouver say, let me get this straight. You're willing to move the game for a different sport for a team in Toronto, but not a team in Vancouver. What if the Leafs haven't lost yet? Would it still be the same thing? If what, sorry? The Leafs haven't lost yet. Yes. I think this is likely. It's a World Series. These are games 8 to 9.

I know. It's a World Series, and it's what, once in... Still crazy stuff. It doesn't happen much. It's close to once in your lifetime, but it's not. They were in this World Series in, what, 90? 92, 93, yes. Yeah, so it's not in, you know, third time in your lifetime.

So this doesn't happen, you know, habitually, six out of ten times type of thing. It's the right play. 100% the right play. Downtown's going to be crazy. Are the Dodgers heavy favorites? I would predict that. They're a favorite. I wouldn't say they're a heavy favorite.

I'd have to look up what the line is on Fanduil for them to win the series. My guess would be they're minus 200, something like that. Doogie, let us know. I'm curious what that line is. But you'd be getting plus money on the Jays, for sure. But the Jays love playing at home. They love playing at home, man. They love that Rogers Center.

and they do have home field advantage starting on Friday night. Here's a guy that knows both teams well, knows both cities well, former Blue Jay, former Dodger. There's Sean Green. How are you doing, Sean? I'm doing well. How are you guys doing? We're doing very well. How do you feel about this?

You know, you're an alumni on both sides of the aisle here. How does this one set up for you? Yeah, I win. I've already won the World Series. That's good here. No, it's going to be interesting. I'm excited to have the two teams. I played for four teams, but my 15 seasons that I was up,

10 of them were between these two teams. Or actually, no, 12 of them, because I was up briefly in the World Series year and the year after. So, yeah, I know it's, I think it's one of those things where you get to the World Series and anything can happen. It's who's hot at the right time. The Blue Jays have a pretty scary lineup. and the Dodgers know that.

So, you know, I think it's, I think it's going to be pretty even money. I don't, I think the Dodgers have a slight edge maybe, but I wouldn't bet against either team right now. Be honest, we're not going to hold you to anything against her. Who are you cheering for? There's got to be one team where you're like, I want to see these guys win the World Series. No, honestly, at this point,

when you guys called, I was just hanging up with Carl Stogato, who's a really good friend of mine. And we're both like, you look, we want to be entertained and watch. And I think as the series progresses and you kind of see, you know, the drama unfold and your heart starts to tug you in one direction or the other. But going into it, you know, I'm, you know, pretty neutral, honestly. And there's not as, there's not too many people that I were in Toronto when I was there. I mean, in my last year, there was 99, which is obviously like almost 30 years ago. So, but I do still have some friends there.

and I love my time there. And, you know, I'm getting former Jay's teammates like Alex Gonzalez, Carlos, we're texting about it. And it's kind of cool to bring that part of our lives, you know, back into the present. So if you're with the J's, how do you approach it, Tani? Is there any type of, you know, thought process, any type of pre-scout that we all haven't watched this guy put a clinic on for years? Yeah, he's obviously a unicorn and does things. things that no one else does. But, you know, I think the thing that's hardest as a hitter is

to have, you know, even a three-day break is tough. And so there'll be at least a, I know, seven or eight days off in between series. So I would go at him and see what happens. And so you start off and in baseball, as a pitcher, which I never was, but you kind of go at guys until they prove you, prove to you that they can't hit that pitch or whatever it is. So I would say, look, attack him early and see what happens. And if he shows that, you know, his timing's on and he's hot, then I would back off really, really quickly. And I think vice versa, I think the same thing for the Dodgers. You want to go after, you got to go after Vladdy early and see what happens. You know, if you get second and third with two outs, it might be a little different

conversation. But you got to let them prove to you that they're hot because both teams have guys around them that could do damage as well. Well, that's the amazing thing. Gotani's the, he's going to get the first at bat of the World Series, right? Like, he's going to step in, and we don't know who's going to pitch game one. It may be Gosman, it may be Savage, but it is, you know, somewhat fitting because of the connection, you know, the Jays were obviously pursuing him, the Dodgers were pursuing him. He made a great call. He goes to L.A. He's already won a World Series there.

I'm pretty certain Shohay's happy with his choice, and he probably should be. But the idea of him stepping into the box, you know, let's say as Trey I Savage, like, the tone setting. Do you believe in that? It's a long series. Like, it's not a sprint. It's a marathon. But the idea, like you just said, going out of Tani, like the symbolism of that, if you could challenge him, if you can strike him out, if you can get him out, you know, that first that bat of the series. How big do you think that could be for the Jays? Yeah, no, it's a series of momentum. I mean, look at the Jays Seattle series. I think everyone in Toronto is probably this is over after losing two at home, right? So it does shift. I think

it is nice to come at the opposing team, especially their biggest stars and set the tone early. And, you know, if I'm on the J's, then that's what I'm doing. I'm trying to say, if we could show you that we can shut your best player down, the best player, you know, all around who's ever walked the earth, then that's making quite a statement. So that's why I don't think I would start off being really careful until he shows me that. that he's, you know, he's on time and, you know, hitting the ball hard. We're chatting with former Blue Jay, former Dodgers, Sean Green. How much of a believer, if at all, are you in home field advantage and the fact that

the Blue Jays have it? Yeah, I'm kind of, okay, so I think certain teams play really well at home, and the Jays are one of them, and other teams play pretty well on the road. I think in the, in baseball, I kind of like the opposite. that I like being, though, to start off as the visiting team, because my attitude is, okay, you go in to the visiting park, you win one of the two games,

you figure you should go home and win two out of three. Now you're up three to two. You say, all we got to do is win one of these two games, and you're probably going to get your best pitcher, you know, in game seven, you know, if everything lines up correctly with the days or whatever. So that's kind of my attitude on it. And I know Joe Tori has said the same thing in the past, but it, I think,

that changes a little bit when you have, you know, such a home cooking type vibe that the Blue Jays have and love playing in your own ballpark. So I would say in this case, it's definitely going to play more to the Blue Jays' favor because they have done so well historically at Rogers Center. Yeah. I don't see guys like the 232 being, I hate it. Like I just hate it. The team with a better record, it seems like you're getting screwed, man, with that. I just cannot stand the 232. drop that first game seems like such a disadvantage yeah yeah yeah no i'm i'm with you i just it just seems like having those three in the middle like that's that's where the as long as you don't get start off down two or you know oh two or whatever um those middle games really set the whole series

right i mean that's where everything's at so um so you win two of those three middle games you should win the series well and we just saw that even though it's unconventional the jays lost the first two at home. They want two of three in Seattle, you know, and set up that momentum for them coming home with Sean Green. So, you know, you mentioned you and Carlos Dogato talking and Alex and, like, how often do, who else would you expect to maybe hear from, you know, between now and, I guess, the end of the World Series? Yeah, I could see hearing from, you know, Pat Hankin, Darren Fletcher, you know, we had such a great group of guys. And I was briefly on that 93 team, but I was, you know, 20 years old and just got called up went 0 for 6 so Joe Carter can get a couple days off

to stay to stay ready so I actually helped because he might have gotten hurt and not hit that walk off you know World Series winning home runs so you know maybe I deserve the the ring that I got but yeah no it's it's always you never know who's going to pop I was texting with Kevin Malloy who's now the visiting clubhouse guy and it was you know one of our home guys when I was there so Dr. Copeland he was our team doctor he still does some stuff for the team. So it's not just players, but it's also, you know, people around the organization. Everyone's, everyone's excited. You know, it's a, you know, the World Series is always, you know, such a great event. It's not like, I think, some sports, you kind of know

who's going to win, or you have a really good idea who's going to win going into the championship series and baseball is, you know, I think a lot of people think the Dodgers are going to win, but you just never know in baseball. Well, and, you know, that 93 team, you mentioned you, you you showed up late, got in for a couple of games late. That team is what the Dodgers are today. They were coming off the World Series in 92. And when you stepped into that clubhouse, could you feel it immediately? Could you, you know, we always talk about culture and winning culture and championship pedigree.

Like, did it feel somewhat tangible in a way when you actually showed up and walked into that clubhouse? It did. I mean, I didn't have a frame of reference coming, you know, from the Meyer leagues and being so young. But, you know, there was such a level of confidence and professionalism. And then you add late in the season, you had a guy like Ricky Henderson, who was like, you know, people were shocked because it was such a strong lineup already. It was filled with all stars. Now you get, you know, a shirt Hall of Famer coming in to lead off.

So, yeah, I mean, I think when you have a team, every team that I've been on, And I haven't, you know, I lost game seven with the Mets to get to the World Series. I've never played in the World Series. But I was on that had a rock-solid bullpen, I think, added a level of confidence. And that's how that 93J's team was with Dwayne Ward and Timlin. And, you know, it was just really solid. And, you know, it seems like, you know, both teams have some question marks in the bullpen right now. So you always feel like if you can shorten the game to six innings,

then you're going to win a lot of games and you have good offense. And that's why I think the teams line up a little bit better than people expect. The Dodgers have kind of have a little bit more of bringing Sasaki into the bullpen has helped a lot. But that was a weak spot for them. And I think the Js have kind of had some fits and starts with their bullpen as well throughout the season. So it's going to come down to what hitters are,

are hot and and uh you know i don't think either teams don't let pitchers go super deep into the games were you there this is such a random question but we referenced this all the time and we play the clip were you there when joe carter prank derrick bell and brought his car onto the field were you there for that um i was not there for that i think that was 90 that was 92 okay that was 90 so i was yeah yeah yeah because i think Derek was gone in 93. I could be wrong, but I'm actually getting text from crew chief and other Blue Jays club here, and I was watching this or, you know, listening to this right now.

Awesome. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, all my Blue J comedies are coming out. No, but that's one of the all-time greatest pranks, for sure. How busy would the World Series B for the players? Like every organization, every family says we want the athlete to be, like, focused on the task at hand like there must be people crawling out from the weeds saying i need tickets i need this i need that like how busy of a time would it be for the players where you

got to tell people like don't even think about asking me for this yeah i i wish i could tell you but never never having played in it and i know the all-star game was was like that for sure you know the playoffs are pretty tough i think um that's one of the i think that's one of the areas where having the experience and the amount of postseason play that the Dodgers have had is comes, you know, plays to their advantage because they, they know how to set those boundaries. They know how to compartmentalize the chaos that comes with all this with actually playing the games. And, you know, that sounds trivial, but it's actually a pretty big thing. You know, it's all the other, even like opening day for me, I always hated opening day because you have

skydivers you have you know jets flying over there's like all the times are changed when you have batting practice so all those things throw you off your your rhythm a little bit and um you know the world series i'm sure is is that times times 20 so um you know i i'm sure they're the jays are trying to make sure the players are prepared and can handle and support the guys so they could avoid that that as much as possible but um i'm sure that's that's a challenge for them Yeah, it will be. And again, it's something that the Dodgers, they got that experience. They just collectively all went through it.

They've been in the World Series a lot over the years. This is uncharted territory for the Blue Jays. But we'll see where it goes. They got home field. It starts Friday night. He is Sean Green. He's somewhat conflicted. I guess neutral right now, but we'll see how the series plays out.

I'm neutral right now. Neutral right now. Yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens. All right. No, I mean, look, the Blue Jays fans are awesome, so it's hard not to see them get excited. and get another championship. Well, exactly. I can tell you, as you know, people up here are pretty jacked up.

So we'll see how it starts off and we'll see how it plays out. Enjoy it, Sean. Thank you for doing this. All right. Pleasure, guys. Enjoy the series. You got it. There is Sean Green.

Former Blue Jay, former Dodger. Getting a lot of people reaching out, working for the Jays. Put them under the gun. Put them under the gun and say, come on down and throw out a pitch with a Jay's jersey on. That'll be interesting to see who they pull out for the World Series. man did you not think joe carter was coming out there for the seventh game i like if they save them for this one though yeah you know that's a world it's got stones whoever pulled the trigger on that's got some stones saying save joe carter for the next one that's right that's right

that's right like you get now you're into the next layer you know it's no longer it was this round was about the 15 16 guys bautista donaldson pilar estrata awesome great to see those guys The next one, that's where you bring out Carter. That's where Carter comes out. That's where Mulleter gets flown in. Yeah. And Paul Mulleter's coming up. So who would be that?

Yes. So who's the depth chart there? That's the thing. Who would you like to see, say there's four games? Who would you like to see in your depth chart throw it out? Like who's the next layer in your opinion? It is a great point. Robbie Alamar, Joe Carter, are two of the four.

Well, Robbie's not coming out. I was guarantee you that. I'll say, isn't Robbie Alamar had... He has been excommunicated from the team and everyone. Robbie's not going to be showing his face at the Rogers Center. I can guarantee you that. Yeah, I thought... Joe Carter, I hope will be.

Yes. You'd have to give me some time to think of that. That'd be, that's a good question. Because there is a Mount Rushmore for that next level, right? So who would it be? Like, that's the... Man, it's been so long. And I did want to bring his name up, but Alamar was a...

Oh, you said it. I was like, there's no way that Alamar is coming out there. Yeah, and you can't change history. Like that, Robbie Alamar is still the greatest Blue Jay of all time in terms of playing, you know, and all that. But he obviously, you know, is off the field, the rest of his career. It's well documented. Yes, well documented what he's done and what's gone on. And the team has just said you're out, you know, like he's gone.

And I think baseball is behind that as well. But Carter's at the forefront of it, clearly. You know, it has to be. But, you know, let me look that up. I'll give me an answer later this hour. I think you wheel them out for game one, Carter. Joe Carter, I agree. Get the party started immediately.

Don't waste time. Keep them off. And let them wheel out. Immediately with the wave and throw that first pitch. I love that idea. That'd be good. All right. Mike Johnson and 15 role play coming up overdrive continues.

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I've got the list for you, okay? You guys want to hear it? The help of the Blue Jays are listening to this. Game one, ceremonial first pitch, Joe Carter, like we said. You got to start. You can't wait to six and seven. You don't know if you'll get there. Bring in the heater.

Start with Carter Bring him out You're back in the World Series The last time you were in it He ended it Right last guy to do anything In a Blue J World Series was Joe Carter Joe Carter game one

Game two I'm going John Olerud I'm bringing Olerud out With the hard hat I want the hard hat on When he throws out the first pitch Game six I think I'm going Paul Molyder Game seven

Pat Borders with a chewing. Pat Borders. I remember he had a biggest shoe ever. He won the MVP in 92. Do you know how many Twitter accounts are Pat Borders chew? Man, I remember as a kid, that's all I wanted to do is chew gum and play catcher like Pat Borders. That's all you wanted to do. A little stash, too.

Yes, stash. He was unreal in those World Series. That's your lineup. That's your lineup. And I could listen to Ed Sprague. I could listen to, you know, Kelly Gruber, and there's other options out there. Yeah, I'm surprised Oldrood snuck in there for you. It just seems like kind of a...

Dude, he was the man. He almost hit 493. That guy was unbelievable, John O'Rood. He was awesome. He was awesome. Unreal. All right, hour two coming up. MJ will join us.

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