OverDrive - OverDrive - October 28, 2025 - Hour 1 - Darren Dreger/Pierre LeBrun

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jonas Siegel for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the Dodgers winning the 18-inning marathon against the Blue Jays, Shohei Ohtani's monster performance and his impressive role, George Springer's injury timeline, the Blue Jays defeat in the game, the biggest plays from the matchup and Ohtani and Shane Bieber's pitching showdown. In the latest edition of the Insider Roundtable, TSN Hockey Insiders Darren Dreger and Pierre LeBrun join to discuss Nazem Kadri's future, Sidney Crosby's solid start and the Maple Leafs seeking an addition.

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This hour of overdrive is powered by Fanduil. Fan Duel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. All right, here we go, overdrive off and running. TSN 1050 on the TSN app, your home smart speaker, and up on TSN2. Brian Hayes, the other dog, Jeff O'Neill, Jonas Siegel, from the athletic. How are we feeling this afternoon? How's everyone doing? I know you had to stay up for the whole thing, because you had to.

TV right after. Jonas. Did you make it? I did. 253, I believe the game ended. There's like a pocket in there. I don't know if you guys have this. Sometimes when you're lying on the couch where I was like in and out of consciousness and didn't actually know what was happening. But then like 15, 16, 17, 18. That's when you came back into consciousness. Yeah, my wife had a nap. She had about a four-hour nap or four-inning nap. So she fell asleep. Did not see the seventh inning. I said, was when you wanted to see. Like, that was the one Vladdy scored on kind of a brilliant slide.

Then Otani, the last time he actually saw a pitch and he hit it to the moon. Like, you missed a pretty important inning. But 7, 8, 9, 10, and then she woke up and she was flying. That's the rest of the game. It was actually like a perfect nap for her. And I didn't have the ability to do that because I'm waiting for the game to end. And I thought it was going to end so many different times when the Dodgers were pressing. And unfortunately, the Jays, they had an opportunity.

in the 10th and Schneider gets called out at the plate. I think it was the right play to send them. What? Yes. Because look what happened the rest of the night. Go for it. Like that's your chance. You're hoping that someone makes a mistake. Hernandez made a perfect cutoff throw to Edmund. Edmund threw it perfectly to Smith. Like you're banking on one of those

two throws just being a miss and you win the ball game. And I'm okay with that aggression. I was not okay with a lot of different things that took place throughout the game. The throwouts at third base were ridiculous. Yes. The runners getting picked. That was on Kiner Folefa. He wasn't paying attention. He didn't realize where the ball was. But they had their

opportunities. It's a heartbreaking loss. Like it's a heartbreaking loss. 18 innings, a war of attrition. Both teams deserved to win. I know that's a goofy thing to say in the World Series. It's pro sports. They both played their hearts out. It was just such an entertaining sporting event.

It was as entertaining as you can find. And yet someone's got to win and the Dodgers won last night. So you guys think it was like two parts, like the first half of the game was really entertaining and then extra innings forever was like, oh man, nothing is happening. Yet it's nail biting. It's like because it can end at any point. So I would disagree with that that it wasn't like it was more suspenseful. You're right.

Nothing was happening. There were nine scoreless innings. The bullpins were perfect. Dude, Kershaw looked like he was 65 wheeling out there. I know. And that was like. and Kershaw is going out there with the bases loaded. And there's another one.

Lucas swung at three ball fours. Yes, man. I was like just, you knew he was going to throw it in the dirt. And he did. And it was like a free run right there. And it's a tough spot because of the action on the pitch. And you do not want to go down looking three,

two bases loaded. Like you just don't want to do it. But three straight pitches out of the zone. And with that umpire last night, you couldn't trust he was going to call. Especially when it's like, anyway. The 16th inning, and he's like, I just want to get out of here.

I'm done. The umpire, you know? Yeah. But that would suggest he would have called ball four and said, take your base, so at least we get a run on the board. Yeah. But, um, did you guys have a problem with the, I mean, by the end of extra innings,

the Jay's lineup was just beat to, you know what? Like, it was gone. Well, self-inflicted, though. But that's what I mean. But that's what I think. Do you think their plan for how they managed the end of the games was maybe to, Like, are they too firm with it? Do you know what I'm trying to say?

Like, with Miles Straw coming in. Well, Springer got hurt, no choice. No choice. Kirk got hurt, no choice. No, they took out because they wanted a faster runner. And they put in Heinemann who was like, it's not like he's the flash. Right. I don't know.

No, it was what I think we saw in display last night was a team that's been there and done that. Literally and figuratively back in, was it 18? They went 18 innings against the Red Sox? Was it 18 or 22? Anyway, the previous longest game in MLB playoff history was the Dodgers and the Red Sox. Max Muncie hit a walk-off home run to win the game. They had been there. They had done it.

No one can predict it's scoring 18 innings. Of course you can't. But if clearly Dave Roberts, he didn't take anybody out. No. Like he didn't pinch run for anybody. He didn't do anything. I think they made one substitution in the whole game in terms of their offense. Schneider, to your point, have been doing it all year.

Late in the game, barger comes out, straw goes in. It's the same moves. Lucas goes from left to right. Yes, get kind of a left in. Now, he went in in large part because of Springer. But once Springer came out, for me, that was immediately imperative that they adjusted their game plan. Because Springer's out, they intentionally took Bichette, Barger, and Kirk out, and they had nothing left.

Like it was Vladdy, maybe Varsho who had a tough night. That was it, man. Those were the only two guys that were going to get hit. Maybe Ernie Clement, who's been great, but, you know, Ernie, you're asking a lot out of him every single time for him to supply something. And it just felt like every single inning in extras, there would be an opportunity to do something, and Heinemann was coming up. And then there's Miles Straw. They're asking Miles Straw to bunt down 02 an account. That's how little faith they have in him.

But like you're down, you're down in the count. You're two strikes against you. We still are going to put the bunt sign down on you. Because we have no faith that you can do anything. Was that one out or no outs? I can't even remember. That was with one out, I think. Bill, oh, two, you're telling a guy to bunt.

It's a horrible message to send. Like, we have no faith you can put this ball in play. And he didn't get the bunt down properly. So, well, it's just a heartbreaking, heartbreaking evening for the Blue Jays, for Blue Jays, and how do you recover? Game four is coming at you so quickly. We're four hours away from first pitch. I have experienced it once going long like that.

We had triple overtime against the Detroit Red Wings, and it was like game three. It was like a swing game, and they were an older team, and I thought to myself, if we could just find a way to squeak this one out, maybe we got a big time advantage. Because there's going to be not a lot of time at the next game.

Like triple overtime is a long time in hockey. And Larry on off, man. Yeah, like Larry on off, beat like Bates Pataglia who was the last man back and roofed one on Archer's Irby and I was like we're in big trouble now and they smoked our asses the next three games and it was game over

that's the concern that that after one of these marathon games whoever gets the victories got so much more mojo and the other team's just out of gas that's my fear. That would be my fear too like if you believe in the intangibles and you do because you experienced it you lived it so you can speak to your experience

and sure baseball is different, every sport is different. But the Dodgers left there and they could put their feet up and say, yes, it was tough. Yes, we're on fumes, but we won the game. And guess who's coming to the map? And Otani's coming up tonight. Now, Otani is... By the way, he'll be better than ever tonight. Don't even think anything else.

Because he is such a freak of nature, I guess that should be what the expectation is. But yes, he got intentionally walked at Ton, but he was running a lot. He had a ton of a batts last night. It's a lot of energy just being on the top step and being jacked up for the game. I'm curious to see what he's got. I'm curious to see what he's got, because they're not going to pitch to him.

How could you pitch to that guy? And we talked about it before the series started. After what Raleigh did to them, how can you throw that guy anything after what he did in the last game against Milwaukee with 10 strikeouts in three bombs in one game, and it was like he woke up, and now he's a monster out there.

Anything close. Rod Black, our buddy, tweeted it out. He's like, anything over the plates going over the fence, so good luck with that. Insanity. And Dominguez, the pitch he threw him, was effectively a pitching machine that Otani programmed himself.

Like, it was, if Otani was in charge of throwing a pitch. This pitch, give me this one, and I'm going to destroy it. Were you guys thinking that in the moment? Like, you should not be pitching? I was saying I don't care that Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman are behind him. I had no faith in Mookie Betts or Freeman. Betts did nothing last night. Now Freeman obviously did in the end.

Now it was on Brendan Little, his second inning, something was bound to happen. Freddie Freeman is a beast. But I'm sorry, Shohay Otani is a completely different, he's a completely different individual. And like last night, 12 total bases, nine times on base, four extra base hits, four intentional walks. that's two of his last four games have been the craziest games we've ever seen before. Isn't he like seven for his last seven with five homers and two doubles or something? At Dodgers Stadium. At Dodger Stadium.

Because game four against the Brewers were at Dodgers Stadium and then last night. So, yeah, like the guy in that particular situation, it's the seventh inning you're up five, four. You can't pitch to him. You cannot pitch to him Well, and they told you that they thought they screwed up Because they didn't pitch to it The rest of the night, they knew they made a mistake I don't know how, like how hard is it

To just every time the guy goes up there He hits a Homer or a double And you're going to throw him anything to hit That's big It's, it's four chicken fingers down Yes Or the Barry Bond's treatment Where it's like we're going to pitch to you

But they're going to roll it into the We're going to roll it past home flight Right, or it's going to hit you Yes Like we might actually hit you here After two doubles in a home run Like if you want to lean in go ahead. We'll give you the bag, but we're going to send you

with a message. That's old school. That doesn't happen anymore. I think it's pretty cool to see as a sports fan to see a guy in baseball because it's not like fluid like hockey where it's moving, but to see a guy dominate a baseball game like that? It's crazy.

That's amazing for a guy to dominate like that. And tonight he's going on the mound. I know. That's what's crazy is that it doesn't stop with Otani. Two doubles, two homers, and just on base every single time. And by the way, tomorrow night, I'm going to be on the mound and dominating your asses. Like, it's crazy how good that guy is.

A goat of goats, like hands down. Well, what would you guys even compare it to? Like, I was thinking, like, watching their lineup, and I was like, Betts is a really good player. Freeman, really good player. MVP's. He is in, like, a total difference in the atmosphere from those guys. And that's, like, I don't know what's the comparison.

Like, is it McDavid? Like, is it, it's greater than McDavid's between McDavid and the second best player? You know what I mean? I think it's way greater. than anything we've ever seen. I think you're right. Like, it's just on a different level. And it's not even close.

Like, if you want to talk about him, I've always been like Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, everything is after that. This guy is levels ahead of that. It's amazing to see him dominate a baseball game. It's tough to argue because at the,

like his presence in the batters box is horrifying. It is terrifying. And he, just he's so good he sprays the ball all over the park like the double he hit to cash runs I think that was after the

Kirk home run I believe like that's just textbook at bats like that's just he's so dialed in and now like you said he's going on a mound tonight and he's just going to throw filth like he's just going to be disgusting you presume

and what it does is put the pressure on Shane Bieber to match that or exceed it like Bieber's got to the start of his life tonight. All the more so, because who's going to go in? Exactly. Now, on both sides. Like, there's pressure on Otani, too.

He can't just give him two or three innings tonight. They literally used everyone last night. They had Yamamoto up in the bullpen. So the Dodgers are on fumes too, and if you're the Blue Jays... If you don't think Otani's giving them six dynamite innings, that's all he's going to give them. That's fine, but then that means Bieber's got to match it and keep it in check. And when they go to the bullpen because both teams are going to do it,

that's when you've got to win tonight if you're the Blue Jays, clearly. I mean, this is, the World Series, I think, is on the line tonight. This is it. You go down 3-1 in their park. You got to play game 5. Snell is getting possibly redemption tomorrow night. You savage a kid in a tough spot. You know, it's a heartbreak from last night.

They got to win tonight. Like, you got to tie the series up tonight. And it's going to be about getting after Otani. Like, you've got to find a way to get them out of the game. And Springer's not going to be available. Like, we don't know that officially. but I think he's done, right? It feels like he's done.

That leads to Bichette, probably playing D.H tonight, which I think is actually better for him. Just figure out your bat, right? Find a way to contribute offensively. And someone's got to come up large. Like even Vladdy, who's been fine, no extra base hits through three games. You know, Vladdy came up a lot in extra innings last night. He had chances to break it open.

Didn't happen. And like Jeff said, he's like the only guy. He's the guy that can match. Yeah, he may not, maybe he can't match, but he's a guy who can get close. close. Like if Otani's going to do that, Vladdy's got to basically be right behind him in terms of

production, and especially with Springer out. Do you bat Bo leadoff? I don't know if he can run fast enough if he gets on base and you're trying to move him over. I don't know what you do with Bichick because he's nowhere close to 100%. He's got to play. He's got to play

and he's got to stay in the game unless you have a big lead, but if he's de-hing even then, just leave him in the game. I think Schneider would learn that lesson from last night. He learned two lessons and both of them were too late. Don't pitch to Otani. And don't take power bats

out of a close game where it may go deep in the World Series. How did you show up in Los Angeles after the guy had two bombs in two different games in Toronto and say, okay, we're just going to try to keep pushing to this guy. Well, and it would be one thing if he was 0 for 3 going into the seventh inning. And you looked at him and thought

he's off or we got him. He was so dialed in. Two double in a home run prior to the seventh inning. What more did you need to see? Nothing. Like, that's the ball game in the end. After, you know, they had a 4-2 lead, they had a 5-4 lead,

and that's what makes it so frustrating, I think, if you were the Jays. Like, he had ample opportunities. Yes, it was a chess match in extra innings. Well, and we haven't even mentioned him. You got basically as good as you could ask from for Scherzer. Like, was it 4 and 2 thirds? Pretty good. I thought he did his thing, man.

I don't know what else you could have asked from that guy. I liked when they took him out and he was like, yeah, cool. I get it this time. Yeah, well, and I think he probably looked back in the last one and said, I got to relax a little bit here. Like, I'm fired up and I'm energized, but it's the World Series and I can't show up everyone all the time. I think he understood.

And that's what sucks because there were so many incredible moments last night. I actually compiled the list. You just want to hear this list. Did you rank them? Yes, I have the five things that will now be forgotten because the Jay's lost. Love that. Okay? You guys want me to run this list down?

Number five, Scherzer leaves with the lead. Scherzer left with the lead. And that will just, that's a 41-year-old Max Scher who gave them everything he could. He gave up two solo home runs, but you can live with that. Solo home runs you can live with. And obviously you got tagged for another earned run

when he left the game and Flew Hardy came in and couldn't close the door. But 41-1. year old Max Scherzer leaves with the lead in the World Series. That's just unfortunately going to fade into history. Number four, the Barger thrown out

Freeman at the plate. That guy's got a hose man. It's an all-time great World Series play that if they win the game, you're like you'll never forget that play at the plate to get them out of a jam. It was like the Jeter

play against Oakland. Remember when Jeter was that shortstop and all of a sudden he just ends it up at home plate and he just made that incredible play you never forget that play you'll never forget it like he closed on it so well it's a hose to to to biggest hose in the league yeah it was just 98.5 miles per hour and guns out freddie freeman and it was well and like you think of like if they had won that game the two moments he would have had from the world series pinch hit grand slam throw out freeman at the plate yes exactly and that fades into history because they lost last night. Number three, Alejandro Kirk, the three-run, home run.

That's such a massive moment in the game. Like, at the time, you're like, they just, they're down to nothing. They're back in it. They're alive. They're like the lead. They're up four-two at that point. Like that three-run, home run, there's Kirk continuously doing what he's been doing all year. The most clutch, you know, catcher. He's calling a great game behind a plate. He's producing, you know, with the bat in his hands. It was a, monumental moment that, again, it's, or that made it 3-2. Yeah, that made it 3-2.

Well, and then they chased Glasno pretty soon after that. That's right. That was basically curtains for Glassnow at that point. You realize they're going to the bullpen. This is huge. That is their Achilles heel. That's their Achilles heel. So the Kirk three-run, home run. That's at number three, fading into history because the Jay has lost last night.

Number two, I have Vladi's fundamentals. Two of them in particular. Him throwing out to Oscar at third, where he comes off the bag, which is a really savvy play. Knowing he's not going to get the out and saying I'm getting the guy at third. Yes. throws a bullet to Clement to get them out of the inning and out of that jam.

And also the slide, the fifth run, the 5-4 slide. He stops short and taps over Smith's glove. Like that is so savvy. And he's obviously throughout the playoffs, it's been about the home runs, the grand slams, the big hits, the

bigger than life kind of personality that Vladie has put on display. And yet he went first to home after they put on multiple hit and runs. Like he was out of gas. And he goes first to home, unbelievable slide, unbelievable tag, and then the throw to third to get to Oscar out. Vlad's fundamentals, unfortunately, fade into history.

I think what he's doing and what you're seeing is something that we preach with the Maple Leafs a lot in the playoffs where it's like, it doesn't have to be an Austin Matthews like patented snapshot it can be Austin Matthews doing something else to be a difference maker in the game and I think that's what you saw from Bladdy where it's okay there's no homers

there's no extra base hits but I'm going to contribute in a different way or try to because if you just lock yourself into one thing that's just a lot of pressure man and you just become one dimensional and he's showing that he's just he's the real deal man famously picked off at second in Minnesota.

Yeah. Immature, sleeping, lack of leadership, lack of maturity can't happen. And two years later, this guy's playing like a grizzled veteran who has winning habits top the bottom. And that was on display again last night.

And the number one, unfortunate story that will fade away in history because the Jays lost the game last night was the brilliance of Eric Lauer. Yeah. Eric Lauer went four and two-thirds of extra inning brilliance. Four and two-thirds, man. He threw 68 pitches.

Yeah, you're thinking when a guy does that, you're winning the ball game. Yes. And it's so unfortunate because he has been such a bright light for them all year. Like he was a savior during the middle of the parts of the season when they were having injuries and Scherzer wasn't around and they hadn't acquired Bieber yet. There's a lot of uncertainty of what was going.

going to happen. And when they really took off, Lauer was at the forefront of that rotation. Like when they started really winning June, July, and early August, Lauer was a huge part of that. And got to September, they demoted them, sent him to the bullpen

throughout the playoffs, they barely used them. And last night they needed him. And he could have come in, Rusty. He could have come in and say, I don't have it. You don't trust me anyway. Oh, you need me now. Now you need me. Of course. Now you need me. Okay, let's see what I got. four and two-thirds of just brilliant, extra inning,

World Series pitching, and in the end, it's all for not. Did you guys have any thought that they should have put in Bieber at a certain point? Because, like, I just was thinking, you're right there, right? Like, you're right there from winning this game. If you can protect the lead, you know? Were they, though, right there after what we just said about when they were coming up to bat? No, and I guess that's the equation, right? Like, are you going to be able to score enough runs?

But you know what I mean? A run. You're right on the one-yard line. all you need to like is punch it in and yeah you don't start them tomorrow but at least maybe you win this game and if you win this game I don't think they were ever going to go to Bieber

I never I don't think so because I think it became very clear you needed a starter in game four you couldn't throw a bullpen game tonight after last night yeah that's true and I think what became an unfortunate reality was the only way they were going to score a run last night is if the Dodgers arms

just fell off and they basically walked runs in because they just never never were close. Like the Dodgers were hitting balls to the warning track every inning. It seemed like how many times were you like, that's gone, that's gone. Will Smith hit one where it was like that's out. He thought it was out. He was pimping that home run.

Like he thought it was out. And Varsha was on the warning track three or four times an extra innings. And it just never felt like the Jay's bats were going to give them anything as the game went deeper and deeper and deeper. But they got to find a way to do it tonight, game for it tonight. So more on that into the, 5 p.m. hour. We've got Leaves Flames tonight, 6 p.m. Puck drop on TSN4. The insiders are coming up. We'll tee that up. Dustin Wolf in town. The Flames in town. The Leaser in Columbus tomorrow.

Again, soft schedule, man. You've got to win these games. No kidding. Got to win these games. And we'll see what the injury report is as well. Will will he play tonight, right? Joseph Wall is here. When can we expect him to play? Pittsburgh does it again last night. We have all 32 teams playing tonight. We have a frozen frenzy. I love the Pitt story. I got to be honest. I like it. I'm cool with it, too.

I'm not buying it. I'm not going to completely buy it. But Sid and Gino, like Gino, Malkin looks like he's 25 years old. What about Minnie Jerry Pitt makes playoffs? 20%. Oh, come on. You think that's hired. Lo-ho.

You got to give them 70%. No, 80%. 70%. Pitt is making the playoffs. No chance. It's 70%. Dude, I can't stretch my arm that far, but a fuck. $500 on the side.

Who are they knocking out in their own division? Dude. Who are they, but just let me... Let me just throw this at you. The Metro sucks. Okay, but are they better than Jersey? Are they better than the New York Rangers? Are they better than Jersey? No. Are they better than Carolina?

No. Are they better than Washington? Maybe. Maybe. They're not better than Washington. Maybe. I don't think they are. Those three teams, I think, are better than them.

So what? They'll sniff a wildsy. They could. They could, because you're right. Islanders, Philly, Columbus, the Rangers, the Rangers stink. man they are brutal doesn't matter what Mike Sullivan thinks he's doing there they're not winning games right now

okay many jerrys I got them at 20% where are you at 70 21 no sensible greasy but sensible it's too early having said that like the bottom three teams

in the east right now Boston New York Tampa do you think any of those teams get out of it Tampa it feels like Tampa still has a real chance of doing that. And we can say this now that Noodles isn't here and we're all here. Their goalie better pull his head out of his ass. Vasilevsky? Yes. I'm sorry.

Me, Noodles is going to come back and say they're not scoring, but he has let in some garbage goals, man, where it's like, what are you, you're not even Vasilevsky right now. I can't comment on him anymore. Yeah, you're not allowed. You better not, man. You need to recuse yourself with that conversation. Just write down on a piece of paper what you want to say about Vaselowski, and me and Hayes will say it later.

Like a hostage note. We'll read whatever note you have in terms of your Vasilevsky commentary. All right, Dreg's coming up. A segment for when Noodles comes back. Did Jonas say it or not? Okay. I'll do that with noodles tomorrow. Overdrive continues.

TSN 1050 and on TSN2. Overdrive continues, brought you by Fanduel, bringing you more ways to play your game, Your Way. 16 games in the NHL tonight. That's pretty good. I like that idea. Inside a round table. Darren Dregor, Pierre LeBron.

How rare is this, Dreggs? Like, is this something planned, or was it just random that we have every team in the NHL playing tonight? And then they realized, hey, this is kind of cool. Why don't we promote it? Well, it's not random. I feel like this is maybe the second or third year, and I should know this, but I think it's the third year. You know, I talked to Ray Ferrer about it earlier, and he wants to give ESPN credit, being the brainchild of this 32-team extravaganza or frozen frenzy, like they referred to it. But I think it runs deeper than that. I think there's something at the NHL marketing group has been on for a while. I'm getting internet trolls, gentlemen, on my penguins take. And I'd like to ask both of you, esteemed gentlemen, Greg, you can start.

Are you liking what you're seeing from the pens? Or are you buying it that they're going to qualify for the playoffs because I am? Oh, I am liking what I'm seeing from Sidney Crosby and the pens. I'm not ready to say I'm buying that they're going to qualify for the playoffs. How much more do you need to see? Ten more games. History tells us by the 20 game mark, then you've got a pretty good understanding of what they're all about. But in fairness, to Kyle Dubus and the group that is the Pittsburgh Penguins, I mean, they took a flyer in a couple of guys.

Like, who had Justin Brazzo doing what he's doing on their bingo card? And look, I know Brazo's agent pretty well, John Walters. And when he signed in Pittsburgh, there was a lot of work that. had to get done. I mean, this is a young guy that has been fighting his way to find a spot in the National Hockey League since being dispatched by Dubus and the Leaves.

Well, technically the Marley's, but you're right, the Maple Leafs organization. But this young man was desperate for a little security. I'm not sure he has that in Pittsburgh, but he's following up where he was in Boston, right? He's a big boy. He's an interesting

piece. He's a big boy. And who else is on that line? They've got a good thing going. All right, Pierre, go ahead. Where are you at with the penguins? Well, first of all, I feel personally responsible for the penguins start. I'm just kidding. Oh, let me guess, Pierre. You knew this the whole way.

You guessed this, Pierre. Confirmed. I thought, no, I thought they'd be two and seven, not seven and two. What I'm saying is when I asked Crosby in Vegas in September about his future and ask him about Montreal, you may remember this story, and it created a bit of a, you know what storm. And part of Crosby's answer that day was he understands that when the penguins are out of it, that there's going to be this white noise and people asking him about his future.

So you know what he's done? He's made sure there's no white noise right now because the team is 7-2-1. And listen, all kidding aside, if the penguins are within distance, a reasonable distance of a playoff spot, there's zero chance anyone's going to be able to convince him and go to him before the March 6th trade deadline to ask him if he's ready to leave the penguins. If that team has a heartbeat, that's where he wants to be. All right, with this in mind and how well Sid's playing, because he's been unbelievable. I know what you're going to do now.

You're going to say, what, he's not getting traded? No, no, no. I'm going to bring up the Olympics here. We'll go around the table, mini jerry. Oh, you can start. Many jerrys. Sid plays a more important role or is more impactful on the Canadian success at the Olympic Games than Conner McDavid. Oh, geez.

What's your mini juries? He was at the Four Nations. He was better than Connor McDavid. Who won the whole tournament? McDavid. One shot. It was a brilliant shot. McKee to win the MVP.

McDavid will be the showcase piece for Canada at the Olympics. You better start playing better than he is right now. Maybe he's saving it up for the Olympics. You never know. 20%. Jonas, where are you at with that mini-Jerry? Can you phrase the question again? Sidney Crosby will have more of a positive impact on Canada's Olympic team than

Connor McDavid. 5%. It's an unfair question. Why? It's slighting somebody who's a great player. It's an ask question. question. Gregs? I will say that Crosby will have a more

impactful showing. Wow. There you go. You've got to give a percentage. You've got to give a percentage. It's called Mini-Jerry. All right. Like 60%. Wow. And the reason I'm saying this is because you have to be defensively solid to win the gold on the world stage, right?

And I'm going to go all the way back to the golden goal in 2010 and how that team was built. They were built to win 2-1-3-200. hockey games, one-goal games. Tight-checking games. Crosby is still, he's designed to play that way and he's comfortable playing that way. And in that regard, I think he'll be all-round better. I'm with you, Pierre. What's your mini-Jerry's on this? I'm so honored, by the way, to be part of a mini-jerry. I've been waiting for years.

I was on this bucket list I have written behind me behind the camera. But yeah, I'm going to say on the ice, Connor McDavid wins MVP at the Milan Olympics, which I look forward to going over. You guys don't know how to play the game. Off the ice. Yeah, we don't really. It's just doing their own thing. Sydney Cosby's impact is already unreal. Off the ice.

It started in Calgary, the Olympic camp in August, going to every player, making sure everyone understands, you know, where they are in this process. Unbelievable, the stories you hear about 87 taking this to another level in terms of being the captain of the team Canada. But on the ice, I think 97's going to have the biggest impact. Okay. I hope so. I want to clarify that.

I want it to be the McDavid Olympics. He's earned it. He's deserved it. He didn't get a chance in 18 and 22. This should be his. But right now, since playing him better than McDavid is, he is. Pierre, I want to ask you about the Habs, and there's talk about Nazan Cadry

and what are the Flames going to do with him. How are the Habs going to approach getting that centerment? I know that there's talk about the player that we just talked about in Sidney Crosby with this big picture thing or it would be this fantasy world if they could get him. But are they, like, kind of want to make a play now for that guy? or just the element of doing something as opposed to waiting around for something that might never be there. Well, great tease O'Dag, to our insider trading segment.

Darren Dreger has an update on Nazim Kodry in that segment. But to answer your question, the first thing I'd tell you is the HAB's O'Dog, my understanding is, listen, they've gone through the entire league in their preparations internally and have a list of what centers could potentially pop up between now and, next season. And obviously ahead of the March 6th trade deadline this year. You name a name and it's come up internally with the Montreal Canaanians. And yes, Nazim Kodry is one of those names. I think the haps would have interest in him if and when he became available at some point later this season because it's still a need

for them. And what's changed for Montreal, I'd say, from obviously years past is now they've become one of the teams where a guy like Kodry, I think anyway, and this is just me, views it now in a different light. It used to not be a team while they were rebuilding or not really among the contenders where a lot of guys would waive to and now I think they're entering that world where they would be a team

where a guy like Cadre would be willing to go to at some point. It may not be him, may be another player, but that's my sense of that one. Drags, Calgary in town, they're not off to a good start. No, awful. They have been. And that's the primary reason.

reason why all of the speculation around Nazim Qadre is swirling about, right? It is in part because of the Canadian markets that could see a fit in Nazim Qadry. And right at the top of the list is the Montreal Canadiens, the Vancouver Canucks. A return to Toronto, a long shot, but you could see it, right? You can envision the interest. Brad Trilliving has expressed that interest in the past, and he will again. But it's because the flames are performing well below expectation. I mean, they probably should be closer to 500 or be a 500 team right now, and they're not.

But they're a long way away from approaching Osam Khadri and saying, hey, we're all in it for McKenna and the ship is turning here. We can't do that with the likes of you, Rasmus Anderson, maybe Uighur, Jonathan Huberto gets a little bit more complicated, but that's a long way away. That's a long way away. And probably closer to the trade deadline. And you'll also have a Canadian owner, Murray Edwards. It doesn't play the tank game very well. It's too expensive. At the end of the day, you have to stay as competitive as you can.

What's expensive about the tank game? Well, fans don't want to watch it. They don't want to come into your building. They don't want to buy tickets. And you look at Detroit, it's been in a rebuild for what, 9, 10 years? Buffalo, too. Teams just don't want to go through it. So I understand the speculation.

We're all a part of it. That's what we do. A long way away from determining the Nazim Qadri is legitimately in play. Well, as for the team, Calgary's playing tonight, the least are, you know, they're not loving the way things are going. They have some injuries. We don't know what's going to happen with Neelaner's game time decision tonight. Tanev is out for at least the next two games.

Riley's a little bit banged up. Joseph Wall has just returned. Like, Wall is an interesting one because he's missed camp. He missed the start of the year. Generally speaking, for players, especially goalies, it makes it very difficult for them to catch back up. Yeah. Regardless of the reasoning for them not being available,

I'm concerned about that. Do you get the impression the Leafs are concerned that Wall is going to actually get back to where they need them to? Well, they're going to give them whatever time is needed to get back to wherever that is. Is that the old take your time coming back, but hurry up? Yeah, it feels like it. Yeah, I mean, he's on LTI right now, so he can practice.

I would think there's a strong chance of him accepting an LTI conditioning loan and playing games with the Toronto Marleys. And then at that point, whatever that is in the near future, you make a determination what his game looks like if he requires more time or what is best for the team and for Joel. Their hope

is that he'll be ready sooner and later, but I don't think they've pinpointed a specific date as to when he would be available. Right. And Pierre, in terms of, you know, what is available, it's well documented, like the leaves don't have a ton of prospects, they don't have a ton of pigs. You know, it's early, but

everyone's going to be, you know, has the potential to be aggressive, I guess, at any point depending on what's available. Like, what do you see tree living? What What is run through Tree Living's mind at this point of the season, in your opinion? Yeah, I mean, we mentioned this last week, but the Leafs did check in again on Chinagoff and Columbus, who's asked for a trade, so I have several teams. You know, it's whether or not they end up going down that route with Columbus.

It's not a player that changes your team dramatically. That would be more of a flyer. You know, there isn't a lot out there because teams aren't ready to sell yet, and that makes it difficult. You mentioned the Leafs assets. they don't have a first next year or the year after in 26 or 27 so that makes it more difficult too but they do have cap flexibility which they haven't had in years so there is that is something right now in this ecosystem you know i i want to touch on something too with the leafs that i'm going to write about this week but i find this to be a really interesting time this year in the nchl when you look

at some long-established contenders like the leaps the lightning the oilers the panthers Panthers have obvious you know while Boston announced her transition last year I'd say Jonas right they announced that they were going into a reconstruction what I'm saying is

teams that still intend to try and win and go far you know the teams that I mentioned they're off to so-so starts and I think listen I think they're going to get the ship straight here but while they're doing that all these teams that have been building

for years are trying to announce themselves now as we want in on the party Utah's off to a flying start Detroit's playing better Chicago's playing better Montreal is leading the Atlantic this could be one of those seasons we're going to remember for a long time

where the teams that are trying to stay at the top and the teams trying to join them there's about 25 teams right now and we saw this this summer because everyone wanted to buy and no one wanted to sell there's like 25 programs right now that are saying they're in it

well can't have 25 teams in the playoffs So you want to say theater and theatrics come to March 6th trade deadline I am fascinated to find out which teams are going to be honest with themselves closer to March 6 because way too many teams right now that think this this is still their year

Yeah it's true you look at it Utah's right there Seattle's back in the mix they've had a great start Good for Utah you dumped on them for years Why let's let's clarify that Seriously man I dumped on Arizona deservedly for years They played in a high school rink For two years They did

And you goofed on that And then they got to Utah And you said this last year No one even cares about what's going on out in Utah No, nobody did No, I know And they did stink Give them some props

Give them some love Shout out to Bill Armstrong I like Bill Bill's a good guy And his AGM And it's AGM Big fan You know who it is?

Go ahead Fergie's a good dude Fergie is a good dude Fergie is a good job Can either confirm or deny the JFJ is putting in work No, credit to Utah. That'd be great. I like their uniforms.

Dude, you hate Utah. You have nothing. I have nothing against Utah. Actually, aren't the two top teams in the league, both enemies of yours, New Jersey being the other? Yeah, two teams that nobody cares about. Don't care. Nobody cares about them. I would love if Newgie just got a guest on from Jersey and Utah.

I'm kidding around. I'm kidding. Yes, I've hammered on both of them. But we'll see if they last to the end. I'm not convinced either team will. I'm not convinced the other team well. All right, boys, there you go. I'm sure you guys are happy to get dragged into that.

Go ahead, Pierre. By the way, as a long-time listener, I feel like the guy you've hammered on the most since the start of the year is Connor McDavid. I mean, I'm just saying. I don't know what's going on there, Hayes. Doesn't look great. Listen.

Change his mind, Pierre. You've got 30 seconds. Go ahead. Change my mind. I think I texted you guys this the last time you brought this up. you right now. Obviously he wants the Oilers to be playing better at himself. The Milan Olympics, priority number one. I hope

so. I'm telling you, right? I hope so. All these guys are getting ready for that. Everything I said was just being honest, that when you get into year 10, 11 of your career, you're not going to put up numbers like you did when you're 22, 23, 24 years old. And it's evident here. He's got one goal. You were right about that. Yeah, like he's...

I said 150 points and 60 goals, and you were laughing at me. Yeah, I mean, I think you'll still hit 100 points, but he's not off to some rocket start, right? Am I wrong in that? No, and there's 20 other guys that are right with him. Yeah. All right. We'll see. I got to be the bearer

of bad news. And I've got to bring the truth to the table, right, Jonas? Yeah, that's what it is. All right, boys. Thanks for doing this, as always. Good seeing you guys. Gare LeBron, Darren at TSN Hockey Insiders. I'm sure they love the end of that. Getting dragged into Utah,

Arizona, McDavid. The hatred. The hatred. All right. The grim reaper of takes. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN2. All right. Game 4 of the World Series tonight. Eric Hosmer will join us in about 15 minutes. Tee that up. Get his take on what happened last night. How the Jays recover, what you can expect out of Otani on a mount tonight. What needs to happen with Beaver. Who comes alive if Springer's out of the lineup comes at you quick, man. A night like last night, barely sleep, wake up right back to Dodgers Stadium. Like Hedge is already there. Yeah, but at least the game started 5 o'clock locally. Sure. They're not paying the price like us. But it starts at 5 locally today. Oh, true.

Like, it's still the same amount of time, regardless of how you're... Going to bed not as late? The hell's this guy talking about it? You know what I'm saying? I get where you're saying. They're going to bed at 12. Let's just stick with it comes out of you fast. They did not go to bed at 12.

The game ended at 12. Okay, so they went to bed at. Mediate. Dude, I'll bet you they didn't go to sleep until 4 or 5 in the morning. All day. Like, after a game like that, you're so fired up. And, like, how would you fall asleep after that? Regardless, they're both dealing with the same thing.

Both teams have to get up. Both teams have to show up and play. But I just saw Hedge post on Instagram. She's already back at the park. Obviously, she's covering the game. Her and Kagan are there doing a media and everything. Mark Masters, when you're doing a live event game and you have that reporting job, it's a full, like, you're there.

You want to know, Mark doesn't leave the rink. I know. That is wild to me. He gets there. Morning skate. and doesn't leave until 12 what is he doing he's a he's a workaholic he's but it's not even possible to well he sounds out he sends out a document of all the things that are going on in the morning to all of us which is brilliant brilliant it is and appreciated incredibly appreciated

and it's so detailed and it's amazing and you've never read it i have read it i have i just i was breezing through it during the break but that's one o'clock to 4 o'clock? What's he doing between 4 and 7 o'clock until the puck drop? Like, you know what I'm saying? What is Mark doing for six hours between the end of the morning skate

and the game? To put together that documents an hour and a half, two hours. Yeah, but he has other work. That's like extra work for him. What's he doing? Tennis work on the side? No, like he has his official like ice chips. He's got to film ice chips.

Oh, he's filming stuff. Yeah, he's got to do his sports center hits. That's hockey. Yeah, true enough. He's busy. It's a busy day for him. He's the best, man. Masters hammers it.

I bet you he finds a little nook or cranny around that building and has a little nap. I guarantee it. Do you think anyone slept at Dodgers Stadium last night? Some of the trainers probably. Yeah, 100%. Just get on a table and just put a blanket over. What the hell is the sense of going home? I guess, right?

Because those ball players, five o'clock game, they're coming in at 11 a.m. Mm-hmm. The staff, too, right? The coaching staff is probably right back. They got to set up. Well, you know, the equipment guys for the hockey team, they do that all the time. Yeah, like if you're pulling into a building at 3 in the morning unloading gear and everyone's coming in at 10 or 11, you might as well just shut her down somewhere.

Yeah, I guess so. You guys ever sleep in here? No. What would be the purpose of that? We leave at, you know, 6 o'clock. This would not be a place you'd want to fall asleep in. it's just it's an old building I don't know there's people here

I'm sure I almost slept in here one night double header and then the next morning was Trade Center oh yeah that would be there was a late game and then all of a sudden you're back here for 7 a.m. And the game ended at like 1.30

it was like where the hell am I going? That would make sense. It would have to be like something like that a playoff scenario or the next day you're doing something very early in the morning. That's it though. well we'll see game four tonight eric hosmer coming up or at least flames on tsn 4 tonight at 6 p m so the pregame in like half an hour

we're going up against you on the pregame we're on tsn 2 we're battling you and duffy all right let's go tell everyone you better have your a game because jonas and i are going to crush the next hour can't wait crush it all right there you go eric hosmer coming up confirmed a deny coming up as well hour 2 overdrive continues tsn 1050 and on tsn 2 You've been listening to Overdrive, powered by Fanduil. Fanduil, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. The newest tracks, and the next big thing.

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