OverDrive - OverDrive - October 28, 2025 - Hour 2 - Eric Hosmer

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes and Jonas Siegel for Hour 2 on OverDrive! Former MLB Infielder and World Series Champion Eric Hosmer joins to discuss the Blue Jays and Dodgers' 18-inning battle, Shohei Ohtani's spotlight and the Blue Jays looking for a turnaround. The guys go around the sports world in the latest edition of Confirm or Deny and Bryan gives his Frozen Frenzy Best Bets.

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Power 2 Overdrive continues, powered by Fanduel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Brian Hayes, Jonas Siegel, Game 4 of the World Series tonight leaves flames in about an hour on TSN4. The O-Dog off to do some pre-game work, and he'll be on the panel this evening. We've got 16 games in the NHL. I have a question for you. So off of your Connor McDavid slander? Disbelief? Okay. Can I flush this out quickly before you ask me this question?

Go ahead. Because I've been thinking of it recently because I get accused of being this, like, you're a McDavid hater. I was, in my opinion, saying something that was not remotely like some explosive opinion. If you look at the history of the game, Gretzky, Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, the best years of someone's career in terms of points, in terms of explosive offense is generally year 3 through 8, maybe 3 through 9. He's in his 11th season. He's married now. They go to the Stanley Cup final every single year. It's an Olympic year.

There's a lot going on in his world. And the reality is athletes, as they get older, news flash, they don't get better. So what I was saying before the season was, I don't believe he's going to have 150 plus points. I don't believe he's going to score 60 plus goals. I still think he's the best player in the world, which I have said countless times. He hasn't played like it the first three weeks of the season,

but I would still vote him there. I just did a month ago. But this becomes like slander. I didn't say I thought he'd end up with 60 points and he should be on the second line and he's being overpaid. I said, I don't think he's going to win hearts anymore. I don't think he's going to win our loss. I'm not sure he will.

Again, you look at the history of the war, the award, Jonas. Gretzky, Sid, Lemieux, they won theirs in their early to mid to late 20s. He's almost 30, he's in year 11. It's very rare for a guy that late in his career to rack up hard trophies.

Could he? Absolutely. I'm not saying I'd be shocked if McDavid won a hard trophy. Of course he could. Just saying, I'm not convinced he will. And as of right now, he's not going to. Could it change in a month? Absolutely. But he hasn't won the Ross in the last couple of years. He hasn't won the hard trophy in the last couple of years?

That is what I was going to ask you. And that's just a fact. I'm glad you flush it out. Now I understand. The last nine Art Ross winners. So that's the league leader in points. This is out goes since 2017. McDavid, McDavid, McDavid, Kucherov, Drysidal.

McDavid, McDavid, McDavid, Kuturov, Kuturov. So my question for you, I'll give you McDavid, Kuturov, Drysadol, or the field. To lead the league in scoring, who are you taken? Kutjaro's off to such a bad start and Tampa is in general. Got a big goal the other or was it a goal or was an assist?

It was a goal. I would probably I think I'm going to take the field right now. Yeah? So I believe the league leaders in scoring are Michael. Malkin. Schmaltz.

Schmaltz. Who else is here? Jack Hughes would be up there. Celebrity. start celebrating. Rosby, McKinnon, Caprizov will kneel under, and then some others. So you got McKinnon in there, you got Caprizov in there if they stay healthy. Yeah. Like if they're a part of the field.

McKinnon is a guy that if he's a part of a field, that's a pretty safe bet and a pretty good bet. But Iko, man. Eichols off through a great start. I worry about injuries. Yeah. I worry about injuries. But all those guys, again, Kutrov's in his 30s. Drive Settles is 30, I believe. He's a year older than McDavid. and like that's it wasn't even like an opinion I was giving it was straighting fact the history of the sport indicates years three like when you're 23 24 years old all you're doing is hockey that's all you're thinking about is hockey you can't wait for a back to back

in Columbus in Carolina and Florida you're like I just want to play and I want to play 25 minutes and I want to score I think when you're 29 year 11 You're like, man, I got to play tonight in Columbus on a back-to-back. I'm going to go out and I'm going to try it. I'm going to give my effort and I hope we win. But I just think it's a mentality that changes. And again, like with McDavid, you got the Olympics now. He's so cup focused.

He's recently married. I don't know if they're going to have a family at some point, a young family. Wouldn't surprise me. Like, these are just all natural things that change your life. So let me give you another one. over under 1.5 more rockets for Matthews. I'd go under, I think, now. Which is crazy.

But he's no different. Like he's in year 10. He's a year younger. He's actually a few days younger. Are you sure about that? Yes. He's a 97. He's a 97.

Yeah, okay. But remember, his birthday is September 17th, so he rolled over to the next draft year. Right. He's like Ovechkin. Yeah. So he's the same age. he's just he's in year 10 but same thing year 10

I don't know like I think the days of 60 plus goals are probably behind him that doesn't mean he can't or won't win a rocket again and I still think I'd probably place him as the best goal score in the league I think he still deserves that moniker

I'd take the over but it's maybe like two right it's not going to be four or five well I think Ovechkin is like nine it's not going to be that it doesn't feel like right all right so you're coming around I believe in data.

I believe in facts, statistics. Yeah, it's just the history of the sports. The way it works. It's a grueling sports. Tough. Last night was grueling. Last night was tough. You're a Blue Jay fan on the East Coast.

Like people were sacrificing a Tuesday morning. Like how they would look, how they would feel, going to work, going to work, going to school, getting their kids up in a morning. And all you were hoping for is the Js would find a way to win that game. And they could not pull it off. Heartbreaking last night. joining us here the Maple Toyota Hotline. Here's World Series champ.

Former MLB, there he is, Eric Cosmer. What's up, Eric? How we doing, fellas? I'm not going to lie. I made it to about 13, 14, and I had to punt early. I had to get first in line at the carpool this morning for school. I couldn't make it 18. I don't blame you. I don't blame you.

So when you woke up this morning and you checked your phone, were you surprised, based on what you saw 13, 14 innings, that it's a Freddie Freeman walkoff in the 18th to pull it off for the Dodgers? So I got the situation where my three-year-old, he's sleeping in bed with us now. So I, late night, I got the phone with the headphones, and I'm watching the games there. And I woke up in the middle of the night, and I see Freddie doing the post-game interview. And I figured it had to have been in 12 to 13. And then when I go back to watch tape this morning, 18 innings.

And what a thriller. I mean, just crazy. Teams all postseason long, the ALCS, especially Toronto and Seattle and now the World Series. These guys are leaving it all out there. And I mean, baseball, it's a great time of year, obviously, because of the postseason, but baseball is not disappointing one bit. No, it's not. It's not.

And, like, I don't know if you're a believer in momentum. I don't know if you're a believer in, you know, the mentality of a team leaving the clubhouse after a loss like that last night. But what do you think the Blue Jays are thinking and feeling as they arrive back at Dodgers Stadium for game four tonight? Well, the good thing about Toronto, man, from the outside looking in, I mean, they've got their veteran leadership, don't get me wrong, but they seem like a young, energetic group that rallies around stuff like this. I mean, George Springer, it seems like he has that dugout

loose and relaxed. He sets a tone at the leadoff spot. So it's a situation where, you know, the 162 game season, you find any little thing to motivate you and get you going. So this is a situation where I think they're going to rely on guys like Springer, even if he's not in the lineup to just motivate the group, get them going before the game, hopefully get out to a good start. and I think the goal for those boys is just get the series back to Toronto just like last series last ALCS against Seattle anything could happen at the Rogers Center

so that should be the goal. Eric, what did you think of the Jays deciding to pitch to Otani in the seventh? Man, that's a situation where it's like Sir Anthony Dominguez, I understand that you're as confident in yourself and in your stuff as you can possibly be 97 and 99. You got natural cut,

you got natural sync, three, true fastballs above 98 miles an hour, but you have to recognize Shohei Otani and just understand he's on another level. You can't be egotistic and try and take on that battle. You have to respect how good he is, and if he's hot, you have to respect him even more. And we've seen his last six, seven at bats at home. He is hot, even his misses before that. So that was tough, man.

That's a tough way to blow the lead, especially that late in the game. is so tiny the greatest player of all time in your opinion yeah there's no question i mean you know not only statistically but he has his moments in the postseason i mean i hate to say this tonight but like on this show especially i love you boys but man you just feel like he's on the mount tonight and you almost feel like there's going to be another moment because he's that special of a talent and he never disappoints you know there's always guys that we call the chosen one so to speak and it's always like the moment just finds them and he always just delivers in that moment he certainly is certainly is the chosen one and he's lived up to every every single expectation he

had coming over here yeah that's the incredible thing like and it sucks if you're an angels fan because you're like this could have been us if we just put a team around him right like he's got the clutch gene that's the amazing thing he's doing it in the playoffs the second straight world series everything he's underpaid if we think about it now right i mean he's 700 million dollars and it's like man what a bargain that was huh no kidding yeah they've made all their money back already but eric what do you think he'll be feeling like today 18 inning game now like he was it five times uh four intentional than one but yes and then the fifth was on like he's still like he's still in the game like do you think there'll be any after effect for him

pitching today uh you know he's just a freak and it's not happening yeah like i've seen this morning a lot of people have been like, oh, he got on nine times, he ran to bases, but like he stole the one time, you know, he hit the double, maybe the first to third, but like, these guys are world-class athletes, so I don't think that's too taxing on his body. I think he should be, you know, kind of motivated in his own way to go out and get him, you know, at least seven innings, six, seven innings, because I know the Dodgers, you know, they used a lot of guys, they only went an inning or two innings where like an inning in a third, whatever it was, short appearances. But I think his goal tonight on the pitching style,

should be to get them as much length as possible. And, you know, again, both teams used everything they had yesterday, especially Toronto. I think Toronto is going to really count on Bassett tonight coming out, especially for some length. Yeah, well, exactly. And prior to that, it's going to be Shane Bieber. And Beaver, you know, in the previous two rounds, it pitched game three. They flipped him with Scherzer because, you know, he hasn't looked great, two of his three starts. So, you know, let's presume Showe has his A stuff.

Like, let's just get to that point. show he's going to give him like six innings tonight and be lights out how much pressure does that put on beaver to try to match it and how much faith do you have in Shane Bieber in doing that tonight yeah that's definitely you know that's a pressure situation and i think that's where it's going to be a piggyback situation to where Bieber goes as long as he can go and then even if someone's got to come up one of those middle relief guys and kind of clean up an inning and then they're going to go to bass it for as long as they can so i think there's pressure on both guys but just in general man i think you know you're in at dodger stadium the place is rocking now and

i think after last night's game they have a lot of momentum so you got to find a way to take back that momentum which you can in seven game series but you know the jays are going to have to really try and get it going early and that's so much harder or easier said than done because of how taxing last night was and those guys you know they're pretty much all banged up at this point well speaking of banged up we saw george springer leave the game is he is he hour to hour is that already that is the latest report. I don't know what that is. Hour to hour. They're going to decide every hour. But Eric, you saw

him get hurt. And let's say it's his oblique. Can you swing with that? Have you ever had anything like that? No, but I know like those are even coming back from those, once you're fully recovered, guys are hesitant to pull the trigger. So if he did something to the

oblique, man, I think it's hard for him to come back, especially generate the torque he wants. It's that backside. That's going to be tough. man. I know these guys are grinders and they play through stuff, but, you know, there's being hurt and there's being injured. And I think that's something that you just physically can't really do or perform the way you want to perform. With Eric Hosmer. So we were talking about Beaver matching Otani on the mound. Vladdy would be

the matchup in terms of trying to match Otani at the plate. And, you know, Vladdy's been so dialed in this whole month. He's been phenomenal. Yet he still does not have an extra base hit through three games in the World Series. What are you seeing out of Vladis's up bats, what are you seeing out of the way that Dodgers are pitching to him that makes you either believe he's going to break out tonight or maybe makes you believe this could continue and it's going to have to be someone else that steps up for the Jays? Yeah, to me, the right-handers, you know, it seems like they're attacking Vladdy's back foot. You know, a lot of splitters to the back foot, a lot of low and in sinkers at 97.

So that's a tough mix because think about it, if you're seeing a splitter at 88, as a hitter, you got to wait to the last possible second and try and drive that ball to right center field. And then it's a complete opposite when it's that 98-mile-hour sinker low in it at your back foot. You've got to react as quick as possible. So Vlad is kind of in between right now,

which is a hard mix. And at the same time, you know, it stinks now because these guys are banged up and Vlad is essentially the only healthy one in that lineup. So I think they're just not going to pitch to Vladie. It's going to be treat this every single pitch like it's an O2 pitch. Chase, don't let him beat us because we would much rather take on Kirk, which

he had the big swing last night. He's got to be exhausted, but I think in result of these injuries, they're not going to let Vladie beat him. They're just not going to pitch to him. And I think that's kind of the result in this first couple games. If you look at the sequencing, they're just treating every single pitch like it's an O2, just throw it as low as you can

to that back foot and get him to chase. Yeah, it's concerning because I think you're right. If Springer doesn't go tonight, that's a huge bat out of the lineup. Bichette is at 60% maybe, you know, and he has not, he hasn't hit for power. squibbed a couple of balls, you know, that have found gaps. He's got on base a couple times, but he's not at 100%.

You mentioned Kirk. They pulled him from the game last night, I think, based on exhaustion. I don't know. Will Smith kept going. It might have been speed, but Heinem is not exactly Ricky Henderson. So I don't know exactly what the plan was there. So you're right. I mean, I guess you're banking on Ernie Clement continuing to do what he's been doing, Nathan Lucas, Addison Barger. You know, it's tough because the Dodgers, if it's not Shohey and you're going to pitch around him, that's is going to come alive

at some point. Like, Mookie hasn't done much through three games. You've got to believe he's going to have a moment. Freeman had one last night. Smith is clutch, Munchy's clutch. Like, how did the Jays keep up if Lattie's going to be pitched around? Yeah, and I think, like you said,

Mookie, you know, he knows now pretty much after the first inning, which we might even see history and see Shohay get walked intentionally the first step out of the bottom of the first. So Mookie knows that besides that first inning, he's going to come up in some big situations tonight. So I think Buki, the competitor, he's one of those guys chosen like we talked about earlier. You know,

he knows that situation is going to come see him. But to me, this was the big difference in, you know, the Dodgers and why there's so much better than everybody else is because the depth. I mean, when you look at some of the moves Toronto made last night from the offensive end, you know, they mentioned, or we mentioned they took out Kirk. When Barger came out of the game, when Bich got hurt and Springer, I remember they just took shut out the depth really showed up and i mean Toronto's lineup late in the game there it was like man if they don't

you know if flaty doesn't get this done I don't see the spot where it's going to happen so that's where situation where that big market really showed up for the Dodgers and that money they spent because the depth i mean they had the debt for days on the position player side and uh it showed up in the bullpen as well they had some uncharacteristic low performances from some guys can we just talk about that a second are they actually going to intentionally walk him to start the game like do you think that's actually

going to happen you think it's the right play Yeah, like, is that a good idea? Yeah, I probably would set the tone immediately. Just say you're putting a guy on base to start a game. Just stop. Would it shock you if you hit a home run? The first pitch he starts on a rally to start? Eric, I don't know.

I'm walking them, man. I'm walking them immediately. At this point in time, this point, nothing surprises me. You know what I mean? But I guess if they did it last night in the seventh inning, I don't know if it was tied or up one. I mean, I don't know. They'll be, I'll definitely be glued to the TV to see if it happens.

Yeah, they're up. 5-4 in the 7th inning. I think you've got to go after him to start the game. Yeah? Yeah. All right. Maybe you go after him the first time. He hits a home run.

Then you walk him. Right? You let him get one home run in and then you start walking him. Good game plan. Yeah. It's wild playing. I mean, that's the level of respect this guy Otani has is they're walking him in these situations and he's got a Hall of Famer behind him in Mookie Betts and another one

and Freddie Freeman to follow. Like this guy is just on another level. Yeah, it's crazy. It is. And it's L.A. And you play there, I'm sure, a bunch in your, career. It's got to be wild playing. Like, Mary Hart didn't move for

four hours last night. Her husband. That's her husband. He seemed like he was with it, too. Like, Mary didn't move at any point the whole game, man. That's got to be so strange. Seeing Mary Hart just basically a statue. She's so dialed in. She loves the Dodgers so much and, like, she doesn't move

the whole game. Diled. Absolutely dialed in for all 18 last night. I mean, incredible. That's probably the second best performance besides Otonic. Yes. It was so Tanya and then Mary Hart. Magic made it through the whole game. I think Beaver was there the whole night.

Although he might have tapped out early. I don't know if I don't know if Beaver. I mean, you can't blame you guys for tapping out early, man. Yeah, that was star studded last night there. That was. It's going to be crazy. I'm sure again tonight. We'll see.

All right, Eric, always appreciate it. Enjoy the games tonight. All right, fellas. Just get it back to the Rogers Center. Remember, just get it back to the Rogers Center, baby. That's the plan. That's the plan. There he is, World Series champ.

Eric Hosmer, great senior, as always. We appreciate you. doing this and that's got to be the thought right just get back to the rogers center even if you're down three two then it's then you got a two game series at home for the world series you can live with that yeah i've started to think like you mentioned you savage maybe pitching game five five yes do you change that now at all no i think you got to put faith in your rotation now i still think the jays are going to win one of these two games it feels like it's got to be tonight, but they have been so

resilient. I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Like, they've been in the series. Even game two, Yamamoto was phenomenal. They lost 3-1. It was tied 1-1. Yeah. Until the seventh inning. Like, it's, the action's been in the seventh inning. Springer hit his home running

game seven in the seventh inning. I guess it was the sixth inning when they put nine on the board in game one. Yeah. But they have, they have been right there with the Dodgers. They have not been outplayed. They have not and outperformed. This has been a great World Series through three games.

Great, yeah. And I think the Jays, I fully expect they show up and they grind and they battle and they put a performance together. Will it be good enough? We'll see. But I would not be surprised at all if they got back in the saddle and once in a game. Well, I think you identified it. The key performer, like if you were going to pick one guy, do you like X Factor?

Is that a thing you like? Sure, yeah. I'm an X Factor guy. Beaver, right? You need like six. Yes. Right? Phenomenal innings.

Yeah. Like, you got to come up and challenge guys and throw strikes. That lineup has, like, no, they don't have weak spots. Like, Kike Hernandez is, like, a weak spot, but he's awesome in the playoffs. He's had more, like, clutch hits than anyone. He's clutch in the playoffs. He's great. Like, they don't have, you know what I mean?

Like, Seattle, it was like, oh, Luis Revas is coming up. It's like soft. They don't have that. Not. Like, their number nine hitter, Pahez, isn't like a major. major slump this year, or right now, he hit bombs during the year. Like, he could hit one out anytime.

Well, there's a few guys in the lineup that haven't done much. Like, again, Mookiee hasn't done much. Moncey hasn't done much. No. You know, Smith had the big home running game, too. Yeah, Oscar's been pretty good. The Oscars had moments, for sure. Yeah, listen, they're a stacked lineup.

There's no, there's no disputing that. But the Jay's offense has been very potent, too. Yeah. Like, they score more runs than the daughters throughout three games. you know, a bit deceptive because of game one, but still, like, they're going to show up. I think they show up and play. I am curious to see which team comes to life quicker, like, if they both ease into this game. Well, that's why you're talking about a tony walking him to start the game.

It's like. I think it's a legitimate conversation. It 100% is. I'm not saying you're wrong. He deserves that level of respect. Because, like, I'm thinking back to, like, Bonds. Bonds didn't bat lead off. So you could kind of ease your way into the lineup.

I think he batted a third. Maybe fourth. You know what I mean? Like to walk a guy to start the game, that's why having a bat lead off is just so tough. Like you're just, you know what I mean? Like you're just starting the game with the best player in the league. It's brilliant.

Like that's modern baseball for you because over the course of the year, he just gets more at bats. Yeah. He's just, he's coming up and he's protected. Like again, you got Mookie and Freeman right there. And even them, that doesn't even do anything. It's still the right move to intentionally walk him. And I don't have a strong feeling.

on the first inning, but I wouldn't hold it against them if they said forget it. Walk him. Just take him completely out of the game. You're not allowed to bat. Here's a free pass every time you come up. Outside of possibly a

basis-loaded scenario. Do you think you're playing with fire a little bit with bets where you're basically continuing to, I don't think, disrespect him because it's so much about respect for Otani, but you're basically saying we can get you out. Well, we have a better chance at doing it. But you don't think Mookie knows that?

I think Ricky Betts is pretty aware of the greatest of O'Connor. But at some point, you figure he's going to burn you for that. I think it's a scenario where if you pitch to him, it's a quote-unquote pitching to him. In other words, nothing is close to the zone. But that's scary because Dominguez wasn't supposed to throw the pitch he through last night. Yeah. That wasn't his plan.

I flipped over to the Fox Feed, and John Smoltz was basically like, He just needs to keep it really outside if he's going to hit him. And then it's like right down the middle. Middle, middle. And he didn't miss. And that's the fear. If you allow Beaver, hey, just nibble the strike zone or just throw away. Don't challenge him.

One gets away from him. Otani's going to hit it. So I don't know. It's fascinating to see what he's going to do. Think about how much his presence immediately factors into the game. He's starting, yeah. Like he is throwing the first pitch tonight, and then he's coming up first in the bottom of the inning.

It's the Otani show immediately tonight. And they've got to figure out a way to solve it. And here's another reality. Let's say they do pitch to him, which I don't think they're going to every time he's up the bat. But even if he gets you, then you've got to find a way to keep up. Against him.

Yes. Look what happened last night. Bizarre. And they did keep up. He had two home runs, two doubles. It was 5-5, extra innings. The rest of the game, he didn't have a hit because they never pitched to him. Yeah.

It's just so nuts. Like, they have to score against him, and he is their biggest fear to score on them. It's incredibly cool that, again, if you're a Blue Jay fan, in the moment you're not thinking this way, clearly. You're thinking about your own team and you want the J's final way to win. Goes without saying. But there will be an appreciation for this in the future. that Blue Jay fans will settle in and say,

man, Jay's played Otani in the World Series. Like, you'll reference that 30, 40, 50 years from now. I got to see my team play Shohei Otani in the World Series. It doesn't get much better than that. And if you can beat him, you talk about momentum. Jays find a way to run him out of the game tonight, keep his bat and check, and they win.

Everything starts spinning their way. Yeah, I guess that's the key, or will be a key, right, how you start the game. Like, if you can jump all over them in the first, then maybe your plan changes. I don't know. Yeah. Let's see what happens.

First pitch, less than three hours away. Puck drop in about 45 minutes for least flames tonight. Come back and get into that. Chiefs looking pretty good last night. Kansas City's starting to scare me. They're admittedly starting to make some statements. Their offense looks like it's back. And their defense, yes, Marcus Mariotto,

but still they're phenomenal. You know Spaggs is still the best D.C. in the game. All right. Confirming Deny coming up. Best bets coming up. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on the TSNF. I can neither confirm or deny that this is in fact a segment. Austin trades Andrew Raycroft to Toronto in exchange for the rights to Tuka Rass. It's been my honor and a privilege to serve as the general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs Hockey Club.

It's time for confirm or deny. regret giving all those gentlemen the no trades or no movement clauses can either confirm or deny that? I can't confirm or deny all right Jonas confirm or deny. Statements are made, we confirm them or we deny them. Very simple

stuff. Let's begin with a World Series, confirm or deny. Confirm and deny if the Blue Jays do not win tonight, they will not win the World Series. Must win, literally for the Jays. Deny. It's a seven-game series. It's not over.

it would not be great. And I guess they did release the starters for Game 5, so it is what you said, Snell, you Savage. Tough spot it would be for your Savage if you lose tonight, Dodgers Stadium. But no, I don't think it's over if you lose tonight. I don't, like, until it's actually a must win, it's not a must win.

I know you're going to disagree with me. No, my instinct is a confirmed. My instinct is a confirmed. But this season is such a, a rarity that I am going to deny it. We had Tim Kirchian on

when the Jays were down 02. And he said, I believe they can win it. I believe they can come back and win this series against Seattle because baseball has been crazy this year. Nothing makes sense what's been happening.

And I think that applies to the World Series. And I think it applies to this Blue J team who again have been incredibly resilient all year and have come off the mat and come alive. and I think they just got to get back to the Rogers Center where they have been so good at home,

the crowd will be going crazy. Yes, you're going to face Yamamoto in Game 6, which is an incredibly difficult task. Maybe too tough in the end. Obviously, the Dodgers would be in the driver's seat. But I might surprise you. I'm not as cynical as I once was. Well, and like to your point,

like it was 02, it was 3-2, and then they were down in game 7. So we've seen, this is a different beast, I guess, would be the thing. Yeah, this one against the, the Dodgers in the World Series, possibly with injuries piling up, if Springer's not going to be available? Big challenge. The biggest challenge, but a doable challenge, regardless of what that percentage might look like.

Confirm and deny, based on what we were just talking about. Shohei Otani should not see another pitch the whole series. The whole series. The rest of the series. You're just going to walk a mile. Auto walk. Four or five times a game? Auto walk.

No. deny. I don't think you can operate that way, can you? Like, you're just handing them a base runner every time. Now, you're going to say, well, if you pitch to him, he's not going to hit a home run every single time he comes up to bad, is he? Every time? Okay, a double a couple times. He was two doubles, two home runs before they decided to finally intentionally walk him. And intentionally walking him was not the

problem for them last night. Freeman didn't hit him home in the 18th. they walked them five straight times I just also don't love the message it sends I agree with you maybe when you're trying to prove who you are in June and July we've had these existential conversations before you send your ace out there and Aaron Judge is in town challenge them

challenge them because it's June and you don't want to make it look like you're running from somebody this is the world series you got to put pride aside but it's not just pride like you're giving them a base runner every single time as opposed to him lapping the bases and tapping home plate. To me, it would be dependent on the matchup. If I'm, I guess, like, Bieber's a good question.

Like, so I want Bieber facing him three times? No. I don't know. No chance. I'm not, no, I'm denying. Every single time, no way. So he's guaranteed probably at least eight more at bats in the series. if the Dodgers win the next two

and it doesn't go extra innings? At least, yeah. Like eight straight intentional walks. Coupled with the previous game, are you going to walk them 13 straight times? Even Bonds like... Yeah, Bonds did not even get that treatment. No.

All right. You're with me? I'm going to deny it, but I'm doing so reluctantly. Again, the instinct in me says just take him, like face eight guys in the lineup. take him out of the series with a bat in his hand. But you're not... They didn't do it to Raleigh.

They didn't do it to Judge. Yeah, but sometimes... And is O-Tonnie that much better than those two guys? No. Like, is he hotter right now at Dodger Stadium? He's not much better than those guys. He's not that much better than Aaron Judge. Okay. All right.

He's not, Jonas. You're right. Kyle Raleigh's a different story, but Raleigh's had a phenomenal year. And Raleigh burned him a few times. Yeah. Or maybe they should have pitched around him. But it's just, it's too difficult with... You just don't know what the situation.

situation is. That's the thing. Like if it's 2-1 and a 5th and there's nobody on, yeah, I'll probably walk him. But yeah, it's two score-dependent, reliever-dependent. The base is loaded. What else is going on behind them? What else is going on in the game? It's too difficult

to do it right now, but I guarantee you Schneider and Walker and company are having this chat. Like probably over beers last night at 4 in the morning in L.A. They're like, what are we doing with this guy the rest of the series? How do you handle them?

All right, confirm or deny. The Maple Leafs should still be favored to finish top two in the Atlantic Division. Oh, man. So who is in that mix? Right now it's Montreal. Yeah, okay. Montreal, Florida. I was going to start with the top, so Florida, Tampa.

And then I guess you get into Montreal, Ottawa, Detroit. Confirm. They still should be favored. But it's top two, not top three, top two. getting a little, it's still October like, but there are a lot of signs that are nerve-wracking if you're believing in

their potential. What is your number one reason for nerves? That is a great question. There's not a number one. There's too many things. There is their defensive play. Their goaltending has not been as good. Partly due to the defensive play. Matthews

looks okay, but he doesn't look like he did two years ago four years ago, whatever. their power plays looked eh that happens i'm not super concerned about that their depth is like so there's like a lot of like they're older their defense is older we're seeing some injuries i don't know that that's age related but that's a lot of reasons for pessimism well so like i'm trying to think so tell me some reasons for optimism so taveris is off to a good start is that going to last i don't know he's shooting like 20 something

but he seems to score. Every single year. He has the same season. Okay. Effectively. Ekman Larson's off to a pretty good start, offensively at least. I think the reasons for optimism are that collectively they have done it before.

You know, you're not asking them to do something they've never done before. True. I think a veteran team is, it always takes them a little bit longer to get going. Like, and they're one of the oldest teams in the league. They're a very veteran team. Matthews, yeah, hasn't been overly impressive. He's been fine. If he's healthy,

I think there's reasons to believe he has a heater, you know, on the way. Like he's got a heater coming that he's going to start dominating games again. Haven't seen it through nine games. No. I haven't seen it. Willie's been very potent offensively. And the division, you know, Montreal has been outstanding. to their credit. They've been very good.

Are they a powerhouse team? I don't believe they have achieved that yet. No. They have a lot of things breaking their way. A lot of reasons. They're doing it themselves. Like, Demodal's been very good. Hudson's been good. What's that goaltending tan? I'm going to look like all season. We'll see, you know, Ottawa didn't have a great start. They won a couple games in a row. They've looked good.

But they've got injuries, Kuchuk in particular. Florida and Tampa are not off the good starts. No. I don't believe Detroit is legit. But maybe what they've shown. It's like there's not two or three really good teams at the top. Maybe it's just like five or six that are just... That are very similar.

Yeah. And they're all just kind of good, but they're not great. Right. And maybe the second place team in the division has like 101 points. Yeah. Or like... Or maybe 99. Yeah.

And can the lease get there? Yes, I still believe they can. Like if I gave you 99 and a half over under for the Leafs, take the over? I think I would still take the over. So I was like 100, 100. one coming into the year, and I'm still there. It's not a great start, but it's literally the same start they had last year. Yeah, but there's a big difference.

They lost their second, first, third, best player, and they did not replace them. And they are feeling it. Do you think that is the primary reason they're not playing well? I think Mitch Marners? No, let's say Marners here. What do you think their record is? Well, I mean, last year their record wasn't that great in October. Yeah, and like the year before in October, it was okay.

so like it's not but he touched so many parts of the game and they just don't have the puck as much especially what he would have been on the ice like that's the thing with him like he not only was he good with the puck making plays he was so good at getting it back like his takeaway skills especially when it was him and Matthews together

it was like they just would like hunt down the puck and just like yeah I'm gonna take that yeah the retriever was was very very elite they don't spend like that much time in the offense zone I think they've looked a little better of late. And maybe it's what you're talking about. Maybe it's just older team, new parts. Like Joshua's gotten a little better.

Mcelli's been okay-ish. Ernie Micelli. Ernie Micelli. I like Waw. I kind of like what he brings, but I don't know. There's a lot of questions right now. Yeah, totally. And it's on them to answer them.

What are you going to be? What are you going to look like? But they're not alone. No. You know, in terms of what's going on. within their division. And they won the division last year. It doesn't mean anything.

You don't get anything because of that. But they did recover after a slow start last year. They have recovered almost every year after a slow October. But it's usually with like a very impressive November. Yes. Like a rock star November. Yeah. Their schedule has been so soft.

That's the other part of this. That's the glass half full is that this should have been a layup start for them to rack up 18, 20 points. and they haven't done it. And the next two nights are no different. Calgary tonight, Columbus tomorrow, should take advantage of that. Do you believe their goaltending will get back to just being okay? That would be my number,

that's my number one reason for why I think it could be more of a struggle this year. Because like Stolaris was phenomenal last year when he played. He was phenomenal. Statistically one of the four or five best goals in the league. Wall stayed healthy and played, was reliable. Yeah, he was fine. Now you've got a scenario where I honestly don't know what Joseph Wall's going to be.

I'm pulling for him. I hope he gets right back at it and plays great. But regardless of why you miss time, it's been proven and documented. It's very difficult to recover during the season. It's very difficult to catch up during the season. You almost never see someone miss camp and then have a good year. Exactly. Like ever.

Whether it's from injury, whether it's from a contract dispute, whatever the reason is, if you miss camp and then a good portion of the opening of the season it's very difficult to get your game right and I don't see why that logic wouldn't apply to Joseph Wall

well in the context you always have to provide with Stolars is yes he had very good numbers he played 33-34 game it's harder when you're playing 50 or you're playing 45 like there's a reason nobody has a 926 8% right like I don't know what Hella Buck ended up with last year

but it wasn't that it was close in the rain but he's like He's the best of the best. He won the MVP. Yes. Right. Yeah, exactly. So I would, you know, their goaltending won them a lot of games.

Oh, yes. Like a lot. Five in the league statistically. And I don't know. Has it won them any games this year? No, but that's the weird part. Maybe opening night. He's been very good at times, right?

Like, Stolars? Mm-hmm. And it still hasn't been enough. So. All right. Let me fire a football one at you here. The last confirm and deny. Confirm and deny the Kansas City Chiefs will make it to at least the AFC championship game.

Confirm. That's like a 99.9%. It's a layup for you? A layup. I mean, when was the last time they weren't? They go every single year. And they just...

Six or seven years in a row. And every year we have the same conversation. This is the year someone's going to get them. Yeah, this... And then... Yeah, I'm confirming it soon. It's pretty incredible. We went from the, like, Brady, Belichuk, Pat's dynasty

right into Mahalms, Reed Chiefs. Like, the baton was just passed. And Brady beat. him twice in New England in 19 and then as a buck in 2020 yeah beat him twice champion that was the last time they lost the championship game I but maybe they've lost no I think it might have been when Brady went into Arrowhead I think was Mahomes like first full year as a starter you're right and the the Pat's won that year and then went on to win the the Super Bowl you're confirming right Yeah, I'm going to confirm it.

Because every year we're like, ah, I mean, you saw it coming to this year. It's like this is the bills year. Bills are scaring me. I can't wait for, this year. Bill's Chiefs. When is that next week? It's this week. This week?

Yeah. You got possibly game six of the World Series on Friday, game seven on Saturday, Chiefs Bill's on Sunday. That's up pretty well. All right, there you go. Confirm it tonight. We'll come back with our best bets. We've got the Frozen Frenzy today.

16 games in the NHL. You can bet them all on Fandual. This is a parlay you're looking for. 16 game parlay. I'm not planning on doing that, but I'm going to hit a few of them. And props. I mean, there's so many different things you can play, of course, on the Fandual Sportsbook app. So we'll get to that more still to come.

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Opposite the World Series where the Blue Jays and the Dodgers, two of the biggest hockey markets out there are playing in it. But it's all good. I'm curious how many celebrities show up for the Dodger game tonight. Mary Hart will be there for sure, right? She is so

dialed in. Like she doesn't move. She doesn't get up. She doesn't get up. She doesn't stand. She doesn't leave. She just sits there and watches every single pitch with intensity. I have a lot of appreciation for that. Magic made it through the whole game. I think I saw Bill Simmons there last night.

Jason Bateman. Was Bateman there? I think Sean Hayes was there. No, yeah? His Smartlist partner? There you go. Was Will Arnett there? I did not see him.

If Will Arnett was there, doesn't he have to be reping the Blue Jays? Like, he's Mr. Toronto, right? Yeah. You said Bieber was there? Beaver was there with Haley as well. Their celebs kind of top the Toronto celebs pretty handily. Yeah, we had Drake in a Rob Ford jacket. Eugene Levy.

Was Eugene there for one of the first two games? I believe he was. I didn't see Getty Lee. He was there in the Seattle series. Getty Lee was there in Seattle. Okay. Because I've been at every game so I don't know who's in the park. That's a nice flex by you.

Whatever. All right, I've got a four anytime goal score parlay. This is paying plus 3,200. Nice. Austin Matthew. scoring tonight. Nice. Okay.

Pavel Dorafeyev, who Mitch Marner thinks might be the best goal score he's ever played with. Dora Fia. He has seven goals already. He's got a lethal shot. And I'm joking a little bit,

but Mitch was pumping his tires like he should. His line-made, his teammate, loves Dorafea. Sure he would say Matthews is the best goal score he's ever played with. I would think he would say that. David Pasternak, anytime goal scored tonight.

And Alex Ovechkin. anytime goal score. I'm playing the hits here. Yeah. But it's paying plus 3,200. This is the night. I like it. After it. Best bets powered by Fanduel.

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I'm still so fascinated to see what they do with the lineup. Like we don't know about Springer. He's hour to hour. I can't picture him playing. I can either. So what do they do? They D.H. Bichette.

Who bats lead off? How do they attack Otani? How does Otany pitch? How does everyone look? How do the bullpens look? Well, you got to think Lauer is not an option tonight. No, but maybe Bassett can, Bassett's been awesome since, like, he's become, like, their eighth day. He's been great.

Yeah, very good. I felt for Brendan Little last night. Yeah, you knew that was going to have. Like he takes the loss. Yes. He's the guy on the mound. He gave him the 17th inning. Pitched very well.

Yeah. Gave them, like kept them alive. A lot of the bats to come up again. And then he's got to face Freddie Freeman. And it just was never going to happen. Once they didn't score on the top of that inning, there was no chance little was getting out of that one, Scott Free.

He wasn't giving you two clean innings. It's asking too much. It's kind of remarkable. like how far he's kind of dropped down the depth chart that he was used in that situation last series and now he's like literally the last guy they used. It's, I don't know. It tells you like where they're at with him as well, right?

Right. The highest leverage you could ever be in, game five against Seattle. Yeah. And you run Brendan Littleout. And now you reluctantly pitch him because you have no other option. In the 18th inning.

In the 18th inning, of the World Series, which, if you're not ever going to use him, why is he even on the roster? Like, you had to use him last night. I guess because he's a lefty? I guess. He's another a lefty?

And like Rodriguez wasn't going to pitch because he's been terrible. Yeah, and Flew Hardy's like, Flew Hardy couldn't get them out of that jam when Scher came out of the game last night. Anyway. Either lefty. No, I know.

Let's do what we got tonight. It's fun. It's fun to look for these games. Game for the World Series, man. Show you a time. Johnny, it's amazing. Leaf game to start. Belief will lift everyone up in Toronto.

That's their reputation. Least roll tonight to make sure everyone feels good. I can feel it coming. All right, Jonas, good seeing you. Thanks to everyone behind the scenes for helping out. We appreciated everyone for tuning in today. TV, radio, podcast, Web, and of course up on YouTube live on TSN's YouTube channel. We're out of here.

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