OverDrive - OverDrive - September 15, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys discuss the headlines from Week 2 in the NFL, the Chiefs going 0-2 with the defeat to the Eagles, the Dolphins' losing run continuing, the Blue Jays' sweep of the Orioles and Trey Yesavage getting the start against the Rays. They also dive into the gap between the Panthers in the league and Connor McDavid and the players, Anthony Stolarz's contract value, Scottie Scheffler winning at the Procore Championship and Isiah Kiner-Falefa's comments on the severity of Bo Bichette's injury.

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Jamie Noodles, McClennett. We have a dynasty in the making over here or what? People are saying that. I'd prefer not to. I'm very uncomfortable with that term. Like, Al's brother and I were very humble. I know. You say it every weekend for you guys.

We were all brutal. We all were terrible yesterday. I'll tell you what about yesterday. I watched so many different things. I don't even think I remember what. the hell I watched. I watched some golf. I watched the lines destroy Chicago. What else? I watched the Chiefs, obviously. There was just so much on yesterday. I got a piece of everything, and I don't even know what to

zero in on. Well, and the Js swept. Oh, the Jays too, yeah. That was a big win. And I mean... You're right, though. There's so much going on right now. And so many storylines. I thought the Cowboys were going to... I thought they were going to throw that away, too. Yeah. Like, if Brandon Aubrey is not a... I don't know even know how to explain him. It's not human the way he kicks a football. Like his last field goal was like 65 yards. 64, yeah.

64 yards. And it looks like it goes in by 20. Yeah. It's like no problem. He could have done 70. That's the first thing I thought about it. It's like that's 70 yards. 100%.

And I was rooting, obviously, for the Cowboys to lose. Yeah. Because I thought that would have been amazing. The idea that they start 0-1-2 and the giant stink. It actually was a thoroughly entertaining game. It was. Well, I thought Russ was going to pull it off. He looked pretty good.

He looked good. The lake neighbors look pretty good. Brian Dable was kind of... That's your old divisional matchup where you're like, oh, the week one, you're like, that team stinks, but then they get into the division and you're like, they always play well

and make it a close game. Always. They always seem to do it. But there are some teams, I think, that proved yesterday. Everyone was standing the Chiefs. There's some bad teams. Well, I'm worried about the Chiefs, though.

I think you have to be. They're Owen, too. Dude, and they don't do anything offensively. It's either Mahomes running around like a crazy man, or they don't do anything. Well, I think that, that's, what comes out of the weekend for me. If I'm the Buffalo Bills, I'm looking at this.

And if I'm the Baltimore Ravens, I'm looking at this, saying, we have to take advantage of this year. Everything else, to me, is lip service. Everything else is just, you know, it's decorations. You know, we can talk about, hey, the Colts are off to a two and oh start. Good for you. And hey, charges look okay. That's awesome.

That's good stuff. Clearly, the chiefs are in one. Clearly, they're all in two. They have no offensive weapons. Travis Kelsey is a shell of his former self. Bad, but true. And there's some stories to get into with him about how unlikable he is when they're not winning. I remember him pushing Andy Reid in the Super Bowl.

Yeah. He was yelling on the sideline. Didn't he make a big catch yesterday? And then he was yelling. I'm tired of this. Yes. And then after Mahomes scored the touchdown. Mahomes, you know, reaches for the cone and then Kelsey's yelling and screaming.

And that was the play of the game, obviously. Yeah. Tough catch. But still, it goes off his hands into the Eagles defender. He's got to make that catch. Got to make that catch. He's been in a lot. elite, you know, catcher for a year.

Yes, he's a Hall of Fame, one of the all-time great tight ends. He's got to make that play. He has to make that play. But all of it, to me, is just, if I'm in Western New York, I'm saying, this is it, this is the year. That's the only thing I'm taking out of the weekend,

because Joe Bro's done, finished. Devin's surgery is going to be out at least three months. Three months? I thought it was only a couple games. Three months. I thought it was three to five games they were talking about. Three months. or turf toe. You might want to check.

I thought it was three to five games. All right, look that up, Dugge, but I am fairly certain. Do you have confirmation on... I thought I read three to five games, but either way... He had ligamentish. He had surgery. Three months, fellas. Three months, thank you.

Then they're done. Three months. Poor bastard can't stay healthy. They never stay healthy. Their offensive line stinks every single year. They never protect them properly. He's always served. He runs for his life.

So, Borough and the Bengals are gone. They're gone. Yeah. If this is what the Chiefs have, This doesn't mean they're going to finish with five wins. They're likely still going to be competitive. They'll get off the mat. I think they could still make the playoffs. Wait for my Parsi to come in here, though.

He might talk you off of that because he'll have something to say about it. He might. And defensively, they're still pretty strong, right? They kept the Eagles in check yesterday. Rice is going to return. Worthy's going to return. They've got weapons that are injured right now, and that's reasonable. Yeah.

But, again, the only thing I'm taking out of this whole weekend, week two was the week where it was determined the Buffalo Bills have got to win the Super Bowl this year. And they went down in New York and just smacked the Jets around. The Jets are. The Jets are the Jets, but still, Buffalo, you have to play the game. Miami stinks. The Jets stink.

This Miami team. Why don't they fire the coach? Miami, what is he doing down there? His answers were like, well, you're trying to win the game. And if you don't win, then you're not winning the game. And if you look, I don't know what they have. Do we have the Mike McDaniel? I know we sent it.

Okay, let's play this because this is a guy that knows he's in, big trouble. And there's a very good chance the owner is going to send him a text saying my office tomorrow morning. Yeah. So this is Mike McDaniel. After another loss at home, three, not a very good team. And no answers. You explain to me what the hell he's talking

about. All right. Try to explain. Go ahead. I'd like to hear. Mike McDaniel Post game. To win games, you have to win the game, not lose the game. Honestly. And that is how you lose the game. You're moving the

You're moving the ball down the field. You're first and 10, and then you find yourself at second and 20. You know, that was critical. Okay. It's not exactly Herm Edwards. In order to win the game, you've got to win the game. Can't lose the game. I'm sorry.

He looks like he took a gummy or something before he went. He's not making sense. You play to win the game. He's in a dark place. Yeah, that was a crazy. He's in a bad place. Well, Tua can't play. Two is a mess. Tyreek Hill.

They're paying him and who the hell knows what's going to happen with him in the future. It's a really bad scene down there. Where's the cool sunglasses and the chains and when he was being a hero? Was that a year ago? A couple years ago when they made the playoffs. And the giant Bentley that he drives in there with. That works when you win 10, 11 games. That's the Travis Kelsey thing, man.

Kelsey, the last seven years, Joe Cool. He's got the superstar fiancee and Taylor. was there. You see they were trying to slide her out with anyone seeing her last night, like something's going on there. Barricade, yeah. But they start losing games, and it's like, what's this guy's deal? Yelling and screaming at everyone, pushing Andy Reed.

Yeah. Like, all it flips quickly. Well, you know what it's wins and loss has changed everything. I wonder how that'll affect the old kind of Beyonce showing up to the games, and it's like we stink now maybe. I stink. I think. Five and twelve and I stink.

How's that going to go over? I don't know. I think he He may have seen something coming. He's like, I got to drop knee before the season starts. It's like working out a negotiation before you go into your final year. He did some workouts, and then he was like, I better propose. I better get this thing locked down because if she sees me dropping balls in the end zone and we're 0 and 2, it could be trouble. See, you know, it's a thin line.

When you're winning, people will just make excuses for you. When you start to lose all the, you know, you lift up the carpet, everything that's been swept under there. like, oh, this guy did this, yelled at that person, not a great, like, now all the naysayers come out. They can't wait to kick him in the nut. That's right.

Belichick's an example of that. You know, right when Brady left and they started losing, all of a sudden, like Belichick can't even, according to him, he's not even allowed to go on the premises anymore. That is a weird story that he said, like, I'm not allowed, like, the Patriots, so they're not allowed to scout us. Right. I thought that was weird.

That was really petty and strange. But you see it all the time. You tolerate. you know, people who are unique, who are different, but are really good at their job until they're not good at their job. You know what, in recent memory, Tim Thomas was a very unique. He was a goalie, we'll call it. Unbelievable goalie until it went south.

And then they couldn't wait to stomp on him and kick him around. And he went to Dallas. He had weird colored gear and all of that. Like now I don't know where this guy is. I don't have a clue where he is. But it's a bunker. He was a bunker guy. He was in like Colorado.

something. I mean, I just know that the minute they turn on you, they're turning. It seems like they're turning on Kelsey. Yeah, and again, it's not nefarious, right? It's not like he's like a bad person, but... I don't know if he's turning on the guy either. They're just watching him and they're like, oh. It feels

different. It looks and feels different. That's that guy? Yeah, because this guy has been such a prominent figure in pro sports for years now. And listen, Mahomes isn't far behind. Now, Mahomes has still got the benefit of the doubt because he's trying and he looks good and he's the only guy that's kind of keeping them in games.

And we all know there's going to be a second and third act with Mahomes. Like at some point Kelsey's going to retire, maybe after this year, maybe Andy Reid retires, and he's going to have to transition for two or three years, or they're going to have to reload. But he's going to get it back. Like Mahomes in two or three years, I think he'll have that second act or third act or whatever act he's on. Briggins back in there and it's a new, like Brady did that.

Brady had like three or four different acts throughout his career, where you had to wait. Like the first one was it was more defense in Belichick. And then the next one, it was like the Randy Moss, like explosive stats era. And then all of a sudden it was the Gronk and, you know, Amandola era. And then it was the Tampa era. Like he had four acts of winning. Mahomes, I think, might be at the end of Act 1. Maybe he's into Act 2 and it's going to take some time to build that up.

We'll see, again, it's early. But 0 and 2, we know the numbers on that. You start O&2, you're in trouble. And again, I think the best example of just flipping from one side to the other in terms of impression in terms of likeability are the blue jays yeah like this time last year there was not a more unlikable boring boring just move aside please team in sports and big question also when you're flicking around the channel you're not even stopping you just this time last year no chance on an NFL Sunday no they're not winning they were a mile away from no chance they were a mile away from

being a mile away exactly this time last year on an NFL Sunday with Sheffler in the hunt in some tournament or so you're not watching them this year that's the A team. They swept the Orioles. They play great. You got Trey is Savage tonight, which I find fascinating that they're giving this guy a chance to start. I think it's going to be kind of an open, right?

I don't see him, you know, he's not going to throw six, seven innings tonight. I don't think. But it's a scenario where it's like one more carrot to a fan base that is overindulged with excitement. Yeah. Or now you get the number one prospect or one of the top two or three prospects

coming up and playing. Give him a sniff. Let's see what he's got. They're playing the Marlins, right? No, they're playing Tampa to them. Yeah, everything's turning up Jays. It's like comeback wins, miracle, ninth inning. Yeah, now the stud comes up.

And what, is he going to be dynamite? Probably, yeah, exactly. The way things are going, my guess would be your Savage is great tonight. Yeah. You know, and if he is, again, it's just one more, like, lap through the buffet. We're like, I can't believe they got this in 2025. Wow, we got you Savage up here.

And, you know, the one caveat with the Blue Jays, because everything's super positive is the Bichette story, where, you know, it sounds like he could be in, in a bad place. Well, didn't one of his teammates say on a podcast or something? I couldn't tell. I looked for it because we all got sent that. And it was, I think, kind of Falafa, who was being, anyway, I don't want to get into it because I couldn't find it.

I was looking for it. We'll try to find it. You need to verify. Did that happen or not? Indicating that maybe, maybe Bo was like not going to play the rest of the regular season, maybe into the playoffs. like Simmons reported that yesterday in the sun that word around a team is

like he's not going to return before the end of the regular season which is fine. They were downplaying it though a little bit like early on. Yeah, because it was like a knee brain that again he returned after the weather delay in New York. And 10 day IL you thought, okay, all good, he'll return, he'll be fine. And now if this is going to get into the playoffs where he's really, you know.

Yeah, not available. Not available. Like at some point, his absence is going to be felt. He's Boba Chet, and he's been great this year. For sure. So that's the one kind of negative, if you can take anything of, you know, the weekend. They sweep the Orioles. They're in a really good place.

That's a bigger concern. More concerning because you want to have everything aligned perfectly for the playoffs because everything's been so great. They're in the driver's seat. They're, you know, they've got a huge lead now on the Yankees of Red Sox. They actually are in the driver. Yes. Now it's beyond the comedy.

of that terminology. Now it's like them sweeping the Orioles and them having a four-game lead with the tie break on the Yankees. You just got to cruise home now. So cruise home, be healthy, can fall off a cup. Get Bichette back.

And you're great. Yeah. And you're ready. And you're set. Health is the biggest thing, though. My, you know, my, I look at that shirt. I'm, maybe I'm the only guy. Every time I watch him pitch,

because I really like, you know, his style, his, you know, his aura. on the mound. I'm always worried that, you know, my finger, my back. That's the only guy that worries me. I get it, and I think that's reasonable. But they do have depth there in case they have. Bosman, Beaver looked good yesterday. Basset's been pretty good. By the way, I saw a clip yesterday. I don't know why it came up, but it was Alec Manoa down in

Buffalo. What is his status? Is he still like a guy, or he's, is he your bright off? like I don't have an answer for you like he's not pitching for them this year clearly I mean that goes without saying he's going to he's going to show up I would presume at spring training next year and try to fight for some job okay so that's his status it's possibly next year he's not possibly like his velocity's down but it's weird though sometimes you see him down in like the yeah he's in the dugout yeah oh yeah he's down there he's still he loves being in the dugout

in the big leagues yes it's a weird transaction because remember we asked Atkins I think you guys were back. Maybe you weren't. When Bieber returned, like, what's the plan? Like, he's down in Buffalo and he comes right back up. And that was natural because it was Shane Bieber, and you knew he was rehabbing to eventually be an everyday player on your team. Exactly. With Manoa,

like, you're kind of AAA guy now, you know, and I get, it doesn't matter, who cares? Like, if he's more comfortable up here, but that's how strange his career has been, that he was so established. He was such an All-Star game. starting an All-Star game, Ace, starting Game 1 of Wild Card Series,

and now he's kind of a, he's a lurker in the background. I think that's what they're, they've got him in their back pocket. They're going to let him rehab. And if he could get back to that, you know, his form that he had his first year, you got your player, but it might take a couple years to get him back there. Yeah. I just, the thing, the couple years of hanging around. I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, I'm not, I'm not holding my breath, but I'm pulling for the stories or something. Alec Manoa can return to form at some point. And it may not even be in Toronto, right? Exactly. Like it may be a, they cut him loose and he goes somewhere else. And I'm pulling for him. That would be a great story. It's a great, great story.

But he's not going to be a part of this team this year, clearly. No. All right. Luke Wilson coming up. Aaron Eckblatt will join us at 530. Something to chew on about the Panthers. We'll sneak a McDavid angle in on that. Belize who've got their alumni golf tournament today, so they're all in town, right?

Sidney Crosby's down in Pittsburgh talking about his future. McDavid still not signed. Found time to go out with Morgan Wallen the other night. He'd think he'd be in the negotiating room knocking out a contract, but I guess he's doing the walkout with Morgan Wallen. I don't know. Like Morgan Wallen had Jose Bautista. He only did it the one night.

He didn't have a walkout when I was there. Right. The first night he didn't. I don't know why. Well, we never got into it. Maybe somebody bailed or something, though. I thought for sure it would be Austin Matthews or something. I don't think so.

Like I sniffed around there, and I was told Batista's walking out. That's what I, so I was standing there like a hero. People are like, who's going to walk out? I'm like, I hear it's Batista. He walks out by himself. Right. Yeah, I've heard different things, not that it matters, but that Matthews was going to do it, but wanted to bring teammates with them.

Right. And then I guess Wallen was like, we're not, that's not the way this is working. Like we're not bringing like five, six leaves out. And I guess Matthew said, all right, I'm not coming out. That's fair. Yeah, that is. But couldn't the teammates just stand there and kind of watch them walk for 20? I don't know the whole dynamics of a walkout.

Be careful with that little scoop. Yeah. No, you're right. That's just what I've heard. That's not a confirmed report. But the walkout is his thing, obviously. You go to the concert. But he usually just walks out with like a legend, not like three or four.

people around you type of thing or multiple like like it's like Mike Tyson and Tom Brady right you know he's walked out with some famous famous famous people it's not like you know hey we got Seymont Benoit we want to sneak in here you know like that's the kind of I could see where he might be like that's so disrespectful of Morgan Wallen to think that but you know whatever I hear you you know what I'm saying like there is kind of a line but we didn't talk about the Batista thing where Batista came out with a bat he did it was what And he did the bat flip and it hit Bautista's wife.

He was filming it. I hope she's okay because I'm laughing about it. Well, it's totally fine and everything was all good. Can you run that by me again? Batista's walking out. Wife is filming it, correct? Yes. And Wollen takes the bat from Batista, swings, and then does the bat flip.

As she's filming, it goes right at her. Yeah, it hits his wife. And you can see Jose in the background like, whoa, yeah. But again, apparently, all good. And again, Bautista's plan. But was he trying to do the Bautista bat flip? Yes. So Jose gave him the bat, said bat flip.

You got to do it. So he did a swing and then did that. And it wasn't looking. And it goes flying over and hits Bautista's wife who was filming it all. I don't know we should pull that video up because it, you could see the bat coming right out. It's a wild, wild scene. I didn't want to bring it up because I Well, it wasn't. It was obviously, it was

unintentional. And again, if there was an injury or something, we have heard that. I think it was all good. Yeah. But there it is. Look at, yeah. Watch this. Do the bat flip. No problem. Here you go. All right. I'll bat flip it. There you go. Now suck on this, right.

Boom. Oh, my God. And Jose's in the background. Like, oh, my God. Are you okay? Wow. Yeah. That's a tough one. It was a tough one. Yeah. But anyway. All right. We got Luke coming up. Aaron Actblad coming up. And two Monday nighters tonight. Yes.

So we're both on the. clock. Hayes and Bro and Owen Wilson, both on the clock. So else brother will join us as well. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. All right. Overdrive continues. Powered by Fanduel, bringing you everything from the opening line to the final score. Jays raised tonight, two Monday night football games, which is going to be very exciting. A couple of picks tonight for the boys. And we got Luke coming up at 5 o'clock. Aaron Eckblad will join us at 5.30. It's still amazing that the Panthers found a way.

to keep all three of those UFAs, Eckblatt included. That would have been a 0% Didn't we have that as a Jerry's or something? Like there's no way they're going to be able to keep all three. What was Marcia Ann's money again? He wasn't $8 million, was it? No, it was six years at

six. No, at five or something. Like it was a total amount he was looking for, allegedly. He was looking for like $30 million or $32 million. You think he plays six more years? 37. Probably not. Probably not.

he's probably they're probably looking at this to give me two more good years yeah give me two good years and then we'll figure it out if they can find another cup then it's all good you know but that is the gamble that they're taking they keep committing to the same guys obviously because of how well they've played right but they're not young players and if wheels fall off and they're all pot committed that's going to be difficult to get out from you know underneath all those companies there's an opportunity that it doesn't end well with everybody, especially their goaltender, getting older. Like, you never know how that ends.

That's the biggest thing, though. You say this all the time. You don't have to apologize when you're in your way. Like, they've won two cups in a row, and they're trying to go for a third. They're trying to go for more. Like, at some point, yes, you're going to get hung with contracts. You're going to get hung, but is it worth all of that?

Like, I think it is. And somebody else will be the one that brings that back up in Florida, because you know why? Someone's going to say, Billy Zito, we got to get you to bring a championship. Like, it's not like everyone in Florida is going to say, Billy Zito, we love you so much. We want you to bring this back up from Ground Zero. Right. Some other team's going to say, we've got to bring in Billy Zito as a closer.

Possibly same as Paul Maurice. Who knows, man? Yeah. Well, that's true, too. Like, Paul Maurice isn't a young guy. He's been coaching a long time. No, when that thing ends, he probably disappears unless, just like Daryl Sutter, some other team says, we got to get this guy. pretty good reputation to have.

You're the closer guy. If you can avoid being the blow-it-up rebuild guy and you're the closer guy? Yes. It's not bad. You get some bad hands when you're the blow-it-up rebuild guy. Yeah. And you can make some mistakes. Remember the guy in Buffalo with the gardening

gloves? What was his name? Ronnie Rolls. Ron Ralston. Yeah. Ron Rollston. And they're still in the rebuild. Although, exactly. Ron Rolston's probably cackling right now thinking, you thought it was me and my gardening gloves? You thought it was my gloves? It's not. It wasn't my gloves, all right? Something to chew on brought to you by Boston Pizza, Canada's favorite sports bar.

Enjoy $15 lunch at BP where you get an entree of side and a drink and you'll get it all in 20 minutes or less. A fast lunch doesn't have to be fast food. See you for a $15 fast lunch at your local Boston pizza. Asking the question with the Panthers, again, being at the forefront of camps opening up and everyone's doing their media days today and their golf tournaments and all that. Where is there a larger gap in the NHL? the gap between the Florida Panthers

as the clear-cut best team in the league and whoever you think is the second best team and I think everyone would see the second best team differently. You know, maybe it's, I don't know, is it Edmonton, is it Colorado, is it Dallas, Vegas, Tampa, Toronto, I don't know. The gap between the Panthers

and the rest of the league or Connor McDavid as the best player and the rest of the league. So in other words, the gap between McDavid is the best player and whoever you think is number two or Panthers is the best team and whoever you think is number two. And you're looking for the biggest gap.

Biggest gap. Where's the bigger gap? I think it's got to be Florida Panthers, simply because in Edmonton, the guy that's closing the gap on him is on his team. Right. Play better than him last year. Yeah. Like he's already, you don't have to look very far.

He's on his team. And a lot of nights last year, people were like, that guy's the best player in the league. I think it is. I agree. I think there's a lot of teams that go, okay, Florida's won back-to-back cups. But if this team has a tweak, if this player plays a little bit better, like you could make a case for five or six teams to challenge for that cup there, where McDavid, I think he's clear cut, but you're right,

Dry Settles right there, McKinnon's right there, Macquaris right there. And Hellebuck won the heart last year. Yeah, that's right. It's not even in the conversation. So that gap might be, you know, a little bit more narrow compared to, or a little bit wider, I guess. I think it's, I would say Florida, because they brought their team back the way that they did, which is remarkably impressive.

Like the fact that they, they just steamrolled through the whole league, really. I mean, they steamed the world through Tampa. They steamrolled through Carolina. The Leafs had them on the ropes, had them on the ropes. And it got to a point where it was like this existential offseason. That's how quickly it flipped. Leaves are up, 2-0 in the series, and 3-1 in the game. And then after it, it's like DNA, this, mourners leaving that.

and you're like, what the hell just happened? That's what Florida did to them. And then Edmonton was closer the year before, even though they were down 03 in the series, which is wild. But it never felt to me in this year's cup final that Edmonton was going to win. I didn't have that feeling. And as I go into this new season, again, always subject to change. It's a team sport.

Anything is possible. Very difficult to go to a fourth straight cup final. Very, very difficult to do that. But top the bottom. bottom, they're clearly the best team. They got a great coach. They got a great GM who will be active at the trade deadline. I have no doubts about that. They have all the DNA. They have all the characteristics. And, you know, McDavid is still the number one guy for sure. But would I be shocked if McCar had a better, was better than him this year? I would not be shocked. Would I be shocked

and McKinnon was better than him? No. I think those days have passed. You know, four or five years ago, I would have been. But last year, again, with injuries. but he wasn't the best player in the league last year. The year before he wasn't the best player in the league. Like, he is on any given night still. Right. For sure. But, you know, he's not 23 anymore.

We're like, watch this guy just every single night. Now, it might be a different story this year. And again, I said it, he's not playing for a contract. He needs, he's going to write. But it could be hanging over him a little bit. Could be hanging over him. I think he's a little sick of people saying that stuff about dry-sidal playing better than him, blah, blah, blah. Like, he might be going to be one guy.

He's going to be angry this year. He might want to watch for him. would say, because I think he might be a guy that says, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and just say, I'm going to go out and play. And, yes, you guys can talk about my contract. I'm just, I'm trying to win every night. He might be a man possessed. But Florida, I think their only worry is health. And they're going to slow play, you know, chalky and all these guys. And, you know, on a Tuesday night in November, we're going to come in and go, she's that Florida team doesn't look very good and, you know, kind of Stanley Cup hangover,

all of that type of stuff. But when push comes to shove, that team is, they're the best on paper right now. Oh, yeah. And based on practice, what they've shown us. Right. They do. Like, what they do, exactly. Like, down the stretch last year, they were load managing and they weren't scoring a lot,

but they weren't giving up anything. Yeah. They didn't start one series at home. No, exactly. And didn't care. Didn't care. Did not care. Like, it's, Bob is, is the elephant in the room.

Yeah, so the straw that could break the camel's back in the end. Like, if he, if he isn't fresh in the playoffs, all bets are clearly off. Right. Just the nature of that position. If he's leaky and it's just, he never gets it back together, you can't win a Stanley Cup if your goalie has a, you know, an 880, say, percentage. You can't. Like, you're just, you're going to get beat.

At some point, you're just, you're going to go to overtime and lose. Yeah. that's going to be the question is how do you how do you find a way to balance his minutes and make sure he's fresh come playoff time but if he is they've proven that they know how to dial it up

and play a style that no one else can compete with right now there's something crazy he never gets mentioned that he needs a contract he's a year away he's unrestricted next year he's a year away 25 26 he makes 10 million he's a UFA 26 27 and he's 37

36 I think he's I don't find out where when his birthday is. I didn't have it here. That's one of those weird ones where you love him to death and you're like, he's won us some cups, but do you, like, he's going to probably come out and say, I deserve a four-year contract, just like Marchand or whatever. Right. Totally.

Especially if you do it again. Yeah, why would he take a discount? I would be fine, like again, I'm not, no skin in the game, a three-year extension to put him to 40 years until he's 40 years old. And he keeps himself in good shape, the unique position, and he's still

can play at a high level. Now, I don't know what that number is obviously at 10. He's making 10. Well, the goal-tending conversation is fascinating right now in the league. Spencer Knight and Chicago just got a 5.8. 3-year extension at 5.8. He's not established himself

in the league at all. I do think he's going to be the starter there, and they're going to give him every opportunity. I think he played 40-some games. I have to check. But... Yeah. They need him to pop. He was to Seth Jones. They mean, no kidding. They need him to pop. But that's 5.8, regardless, that's a big number for a guy who's not proven.

Too much, but it's Chicago. That's how they operate. They don't have anyone making big money. They just, they float money out to make guys happy. Yeah, they bring in guys and they're like that. We brought you here to be this, so we've got to pay you like that. Yeah, exactly. Right.

But, you know, the Anthony Stollars extension and what that's going to look like, I'm sure Stoller's looked at that and said, well, Spencer Knight's making 5.8 or whatever. Doesn't my number at least start with a six? No, no. You don't think he's asking for that, no? noodles? Like, why would he, why would you, if you're a player, put yourself in his skates, Spencer Knight. 24-year-old number one goal to. I get, is he number one? I think he will be a number one.

And he will be number one for sure. He is for them. But so it's Dolars. If so you don't think it stole ours run. He's not a one. Because he doesn't play enough games. Thirty-four games last. You're right. But it's stats, you're right, I'm not, that's not number one money. But his stats, number one. His stats are, and come playoff time, he was the number one guy. Like, whoever gets your net, game one of the playoffs indicates for that team you're the number one i i would be Jamie regardless of all the stats and stuff you know how players are they're going to say regardless of age position sometimes you just look at a guy and say if he got that i deserve that

right and i'm not saying he should get that i think spencer night getting that is is chicago but economics which is always off the beaten path right but a 24 year old number one projects to be and is you know give in mind he stepped away for a bit and has come back, he's their guy. They've traded for him, he's their number one guy. They're going to pay him accordingly that's why they gave him. Anthony Stolars has never been a one

at the NHL level and was not one last year. Based on starts, you can say, and we all love him, I thought he was fantastic, statistically was great, but 34 games is backup games played. You know, like, I think they will all play more than him last year? We'll play more than him.

Woll makes what? Not when it matters. Not when it mattered, but you're right. Well, played more than him. And that's the thing. Yes, an injury. He had two injuries last year. I just, I look at Stolars. He's a tandem guy. A damn good one, and there's nothing wrong with that.

But I just, I don't think he looks at Spencer. And I don't think, I think that's apples and oranges, regardless of the team they play for and all of that. But I look at all I knows, if I was a goalie, I'd be like, yeah, he's hardly done squat and he's gotten that money. Well, yeah, listen, there's. When you're looking, when we're, the only way I would say this, you're comparing Stolar's number to a guy who scored, let's say, 22 goals, but only played 50 games. And you go, oh, well, if he would have played all 82, he would have got 40.

Of course. So we got to pay him like a 40 goals for it. I'm sorry, you can't do that because he didn't do it. So that's the only way in a negotiations of say, yes, you projected to do this, but I would also say the reality of it is you did that. So there's somewhere in the middle. think you get something, I could be 100% wrong, something with a four in it. And that's probably reasonable. I would guess, I think the way Stolars is probably going to approach this is kind of the way Marchand did. When you're at, you're at his stage of your career,

this is the last contract, for the most part for Stolars, right? He'll be 32 when it kicks in. I forgot his age, too. Yeah, you get it. Let's assume it's going to be at least a three-year deal or four-year deal. This is it. This is your chance. Right. What Marcian taught me the way that bio accounts they approached it was he said i need i want to bowl the mouth 30 million yeah we look at it as well 4.25 he looked he looked at it like i need 32 million right i think i would guess stolores is probably thinking i need 15 million we'll give me 20 or 20 i want 20 million and then but then that's how it looks on paper exactly you want to give me an eight year deal at 2.5 per fine i want 20 million yeah i'm i would think the lease will probably be like i'll i want to give you

15 million right okay let's meet in the middle and then that would make it like a four-year deal, four-year extension at 4.5 or something like that. Right. That's probably reasonable. But, like, when he's played, when? Yep. Guys' numbers the last two years have been absolutely phenomenal. Yes.

And I think they trust him. By the end of last year, they clearly trusted him more than Joseph Wall. Joseph Wall's making $3.7 million. He's got to make more than him. Right. Like, Wall was an RFA. Stoller was going to be a UFA, and he proved he was better than him last year. And you got to pay for those years.

And you got to pay for those years. Yeah, I, I, like there's, there's leverage points on both sides, but it's kind of, I was saying, like, a bump up. Yeah, Joseph Wall is at 3.66. I think you could have, now, Stolars is at 2.5. This, this year. You're right. He's clearly making a lot more than that. That's why I feel like something with four, with a four in it, I could be completely wrong.

Well, I don't, you're not saying a million. We're not saying 10. I mean, we're all in the same ballpark. Caps going up, though, like you always talk about. But it just the, the level of importance, that position, do they, believe that wools, they still give him a pathway to reach his potential, the national hockey?

It's possible. Like, maybe you're hoping that wool at 3.6 goes, this is the year I turn the corner like my buddy Ottinger in Dallas. Well, and that's why there's a this is why if I'm in the Stollars camp, I want this deal done now.

Right. Because I just came off a year where by the end of it, I determined I'm your number one guy. Right. He got hurt. Everyone's wondering, what if he was healthy? Would they have maybe won that series? Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. I don't know, we'll never know. Right. But you risk as a tandem goalie, the role's reversing.

Correct. That wall plays better than you next year. And Wall's the number one guy come to playoffs. And then, and then the leaves come back and go, well, we'll give you a couple years at three. I think about that often. Like, if he was healthy, does that get closed out?

I always think about that. Well, it's a reasonable question. It is, like, but it's just stupid thinking because it doesn't matter. It didn't happen. It didn't happen. But it is something that, you know, wall was a little bit leaky at times and Stolars was playing great

and Stolars it was exuding confidence and yeah I just you're right you can say what if but he gets hurt he has an injury prone issue the challenge you know that that's the to stay healthy at the right times you talk to people in Evanton's like we didn't have Hyman R&H had a broken hand

at home was back I'm like you lost sorry like it it sucks we're doing that with Stolars here yeah what if like you know at the end of the day he wasn't available to you because of an injury and that sucks but it still doesn't you can't in the negotiating room you go well if you would have played we would have done this it's like this is what's in front of you i think it's an interesting thing because they've got the hilda beast on a one way i think next year right but that's but

is that help you sleep at night that you're you're a year away from joseph wall and dennis old be as your tandem no i'm i unless wall steps in this year's no give me 55 games and i'm ready to push you. Who do you have more faith in to give you 50 starts? Stollars or Wall? Right now it's Anthony Stolars, just based on what he played. But I will say, are you talking performance or health? I guess both.

I mean, yeah, because you need both. If you're playing, like, if you're playing horribly, you're not going to get 50 starts. I guess it's Stolars. But I think Wall has a tremendous upside as well. We've seen Stollars grow into a really good goaltender. Using his size, closing up his

holes, like confidence exude. Like you said, he plays with some jam in the net, which is pretty cool to watch. Wool is very methodical and has a very, I think, an elite skill set. I don't know if we've seen the best of Joseph Wall yet. So if this is the year, maybe the light goes on, 26, 27 years old. Like, he's not a kid. That's the one thing. Right.

You know, everyone wants to, you know, take a shot at Stuart Skinner. Stuart Skinner, I think, is as young as Joseph Wall. or younger. So that's a guy who has to turn the corner again, but Joseph Wall has an opportunity this year to separate himself or at least battle for that net. And that's why they paid him ahead of time because they obviously had faith that he can.

And again, it's $3.7 million. It's not another big part of this deal is if you're going to give Stolar's term, there can't be trade protection in that. You have to have flexibility to get out of it if you have to. You know, you might get a 10 team, though, Trey, everyone gets those these days. But if in two years, Hilda V's ready or in two years, walls, your clear-cut guy

and Stolars has fallen off and you're paying him 4.75, you might have to get out of that. Yeah. And that's something that I'm sure they're negotiating as well, you know. I mean, we'll played 42 games last year. Like, that's, you know, can he get to 50? Like, can you, because somebody... Man, that seems like a lot here.

Outside of the start of the year, though, he stayed healthy. Well, yeah. remember what it was like. The start of the year, he'd come off the back injury against Boston. And then Paul that it wasn't available. Yeah, he did the same thing at Bell Center. And we were like, one wasn't available. That was like almost emergency show type of like, Joseph Wall's not available. We're like, what? What's going on here? Remember that? Well, I thought Montreal Stolars wasn't available. No, it was Wall. It was a wall who was scheduled to start and there was rumblings in the morning or something.

Oh, that's right, because Stolars played game one and Hildaby played game in Jersey. Yeah, yeah. It was just a wild scene, but I'm more focused on that battle this year than I was last year. I think that's a really, you know, we talk about that tandem being set. They are set, but they're not set and starts. That's up to chief and their play. Absolutely. If it's a training camp or a season based on competition,

and that's what they're advocating for. It's got to include the goaltenders. It should be, but just here's the net. Go play. Within reason, back-to-backs, we're going to manage the schedule, but who's, you know, 55 games are up for grabs or 50. Yeah. Who's getting the 50? Go ahead. Well, and that's the best.

Listen, they were really good last year. They were very good. They were very good tant. They were the best bang for your buck tandem in the league. They were collectively making like $3,4 million dollars. Like, they weren't getting paid anything to two of them. Yeah. It was an incredible bang for your buck, and it's going to be more expensive this year

because Wall's New Deal kicks in. But there's a lot of fearmongering going on. Like, Marner's not here. The Leafs are going to fall off a cliff. I don't believe that's going to happen. But the best way to just cruise through the season is you have a goalie you can trust every night. Yeah. You have a goalie that you can put it regardless of which guy it is.

You're going to snip off a bunch of points that you maybe didn't deserve. Or you're going to, you know, those losing streaks come to an end quicker because your goalie plays well. Yes. And if it's a healthy competition where they're battling for the. The net makes your team better. Absolutely. All right, Luke Wilson in studio in 15 minutes. Aaron Eckblad coming up.

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All right, Luke Wilson, in about 10 minutes. we'll play that clip Isaiah Connor Foleffa was on Mike Wilner's podcast about what he had to say about Boba Schett play that in just a moment but I was just online here streaming through

you know some golf tweets and stuff because Scotty Sheffler won again this week that bastard just had to win again had to win at the pro core you know those other guys were like the only reason I'm in the field this week is to try to pick off a win right like Mac Hughes must have been like I'm just trying to pick one off here

Thanks, man. And the thing is, he won't be there next year. He's not going to the Pro Corps next year to prep for the President's Cup or something. Absolutely not. So he's winning. They're probably like, hey, we'll see you next year. He's like, actually, no, you won't. He's winning when he's tuning up.

Yeah, he's totally tuning up. He's trying stuff out there. But Phil Mickelson famously had a tweet earlier this season. Okay. Here's a hot take. He said, does Scotty win in 2025 before the Ryder Cup? I don't think so. That's a tweet he sent out.

Go to since then. Since then, 15 tournaments, 15 top eight finishes, six wins, two majors, 196 under par, 45 rounds in the 60s and 25.2 million in prize money. That's got to be the coldest take ever of all time. Well, he had one other one that was just as cold. He was like,

Joaquin Neiman is actually the best player in the world. Joaquin Neiman, he said. Al's brother has had some cold takes on this show. Phil Mickelson's on a different level Isn't his famous saying is like I just don't see that happening? Yeah, he's had some pretty brutal ones over the years.

That's, I don't know if it's, 10 times worse. Phil's like, this guy won't win before the Ryder Cup. He's won six times, including two majors. I just don't see it happening. Yeah. Phil is Al's brother. All right, do we see it happening

Boba Chet returning anytime soon? Isaiah Kinearfelefa. This is him on Mike Wilner's podcast. He brings to this organization You know, we're going to try get the job done for him, give him a chance to get healthy, and hopefully, you know, we're playing long enough where he can try to make a comeback late in the postseason. It's tough, you know, it's very tough. But at the same time, you know, next man up, that's kind of been the thing.

Everybody's got to step up. That's tough. Deep in the post season. Late in the post season. Late in the post season. Late, like what, World Series? We're talking, this guy's going to Kirkland. That sounded like it was like Game 7 World Series.

That's, that was. That's a Cadre, like, Joffrey Lupal comment. And that was, like, ill-advised, right? He would have done that, like, just let it slip. I'm not sure that Jays would love that type of commentary on the record necessarily, but why, like, why not? If that's the truth, if Beau is, if Boe is, they know if he's not playing the rest of the regular season. Of course they do.

They know it. They don't have any obligation to announce it. They can just keep him on the 10-day I-L and it's all good. We get it. Yeah. But obviously, there's. something deeper here than a little bit banged up, not feeling

great, we'll catch him down the road. If kind of Folef is indicating late in the playoffs. World Series, like maybe he's Kirk Gibson on one leg, that is very troubling. Very concerned. Because he's been their, arguably their best player

all year. Him and Springer. Not to mention the way that they've been messaging to the public does not align with that comment. That's really what it is. Because if we were said, hey, we're really concerned, Bo, you know, 10-day I-L, but, you know, we're going to reassess and all that.

Like, is 10 days is up, is it, or it's right away. Yeah, and you can always extend it. Well, it's going to be obviously extended. Yes. But, then it's smoking mirrors if it was 10-day I-L, and this guy's saying that it's, ah, you know, late in the play. I've never quite understood, like, the top secret stuff that comes out of sports teams.

You guys have played on them. Like, I don't, what is the benefit of withholding information unless it's not accurate like unless they're hoping he just wakes up one day and his knee snaps back into place or whatever. Or they don't want somebody cross-checking his shoulder or something like that.

Sure, but that's not going to happen here. If he's not playing and his baseball. Yeah, exactly. If he's not playing, he's not playing. I don't know. The information... I get why you may not say, listen, he's out until the World Series or he's out, maybe out for the year. Although if he's out for the year, then he's out for the year. They know he's out for the year. Didn't gambling

factor in teams have had to change their transparency. The NFL, the NFL has forced that for a long time. But not, again, this says, it's not about a day-to-day thing. Like, it's not that I'm betting on the Jays to win because I think Bo's playing. I know he's not playing tonight. Right. But if they know this injury is keeping him out for the rest of the regular season,

what is withholding people from saying that's what's coming? I know. Like, if Ross Atkins just came out and was like, Bose not playing the rest of the regular season, okay. Well, Brace, got it. Bill in the driver's seat, feeling good. They just swept the Orioles without them. It can't be because they don't want to be a buzz killed of the fan base.

Like, it can't be. I don't know. Is it possibly about that? They don't want people to not come in the doors? I don't know. Or just start freaking out about their chances of winning a World Series. I don't know. But next man up, clearly that's the plan.

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