OverDrive - OverDrive - September 2, 2025 - Hour 1

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Join Bryan Hayes, Jeff O'Neill and Jamie McLennan for Hour 1 on OverDrive! The guys kick off the new season diving into O-Dog's shoulder surgery and the state of his injury, the Blue Jays' balancing through bullpen issues on the lineup, Jeff Hoffman's inconsistent performances and Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s worth of his contract. They also discuss Mitch Marner's comments on his departure from the Maple Leafs, Auston Matthews' ranking in the league, Connor McDavid's negotiations with the Oilers, the timeline of signing a deal with the team and Bill Belichick's disastrous debut with North Carolina.

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Neither of us did. There's a reason we played. It's good to see you guys. You thought I was going to have the poncho on. There were a lot of people around here disappointed you didn't because he had shoulder surgery like a month ago. I feel like Fandu'll put like odds on it. They did. I think they had some odds on what this guy would be wearing day one.

So what's the deal here? The worst thing about it is I had surgery on my shoulder and the doctor was like there was like a labrum prey rotator cuff, attached your bicep. And then he threw in like at some point you broke your collarbone. And I'm like, how do you not? know if you break, and then I was thinking, was I such a moose that I flopped on the couch and broke my own collarbone and didn't even know it? Like, that's what I was thinking. Yeah. But then you're like, you have to know, but then it all came to me because I haven't played hockey since 2007-8, so that's a long time. But when I started snowboarding, dude, when you

pick up snowboarding. Yeah, you blow wheels and it's bad. Really bad. Really bad. And I figured that's where all of the damage came from. Yeah, but you would feel like I've broken my collarbone. I have too, man. It was so painful. You feel it. Yeah, it was really painful. Like it's a bulk barn injury or something.

That's what I thought. I think you're reaching into that bulk barn pit. Pop the shoulder. Well, that's it. Is there going to be Viz coming out of me like crawling into a bulk barn bin and landing on an awkward angle and that's how I blew out my shoulder? That is weird, though. So was this after the surgeon?

Yeah, when I talked to him after, he's like, I had to shave down your call. I think this is what he says. That's really weird. Imagine, though, he opens it up and goes, what the hell's going on at this guy? Yeah. That's the brilliance of surgeons, though, that they have the ability to do that. And they've got to make a judgment call, which is pretty wild, you know, with a pretty serious, you know, body part.

Like, what have you came after and said, well, I didn't want you to do that? I felt fine. Yeah. How do you handle that? I don't know, but it was bizarre. Just him ripping off all the things. And then I'm like, the thing is, the third one on my right, two on my left, what is going to be left in? You're like a car that goes in and the mechanics like the hell's going on with this thing.

Who's been driving this thing? Yeah, dude, you haven't had an oil change in years. What's wrong with you? That's just like my Bronco that I bought back in North Carolina. I was on the road. I got my buddy to take it in. And the scroll that came out of the guy that was fixing it. He's like, you don't want to, he goes, let me just go find something out.

No, he just said, throw this thing in the garbage, and I said, you've got to get it fixed. And I thought it was going to come out, like, pimp my ride. Yeah. It lasted me a week. I know. We're kind of going through that right now. Like, what are we going to do with this car we have? The golf cart?

No, that thing's long gone. What did you do with that? Yeah, the golf cart's gone. What did you do with it? I just traded it in. I mean, actually gave me a pretty good price on it. It wasn't, it wasn't bad. It's, well, it's because it's got history.

Yeah, it's got history. I think I signed it and everything, and it's out there somewhere, man. My kids still miss that car. But it is a conundrum you have. Like, do you just say, forget it? I'm going to restart. You start dumping money into it, and it's worthless anyway. At some point, you've got to.

Yeah, you got to, exactly. It's stupid at that point. Wow. So what's the deal? Can you give, can you handshake anymore? I've had people asking me that because a big thing you like to do. Oh, that's months away. Months away from you like this right now.

It's disappointing. Can you just do that? I can go like that. That's the most I got. Doesn't have the same. No zip. Yeah, it's got no zip to it at all. Wow.

And disappointing. What disappointed me when I heard the news, that's right in the middle of your golf wheelhouse. Like I can't imagine how miserable you've been. Well, I was up in Collingwood, and my course is under construction. There's like four holes under construction. They're doing the irrigation. And that's what my cortisone shots kind of wore off.

And I'm like, do I really want to get more cortisone shots and put this thing off again? Shut it down. So I just shut it down, and it's... You'll be ready to go in 26. Were you golfing good? Not bad, yeah, pretty good. You had a good summer, like that way. How was your...

Listen, I've had a good summer, you know? I haven't found anything specific. Went to Cabot, which was amazing. You've been in the water. Like, every time I turn her on on your Instagram. You are a water bar. I've really changed, man. Well, because I got challenged.

Jonas was sitting in that seat, and I admit it, I don't like natural bodies of water. I've told you guys that before. What about it? You just, you don't like. I just don't like them. I don't like, there's an unknown element to what's going on in a lake or whatever. Oceans I have no time for.

I will never go in an ocean. Dude, I'm 49 years old. I still think someone's going to crawl up from the bottom of a lake. 100%. Exactly. Even in a lake. Like, I'll jump in a lake and something's grabbing me. I know it.

I know something's coming. I hate it. So I'm a pool guy all day. But when you're looking at, Jonas is staring you in the face and basically calling you soft. Yeah, soft is butter. You're not a man. You're a loser.

You're scum. your kids, like, think very low of you. So he effectively challenged me, and I said, screw it, man, I'm going in. So I went in, and I spent a lot of time in the lake, specifically for Jonas, quite frankly, to be able to send him. I missed that conversation, but he went after you about not being a swimmer. Yes, exactly. Because, you know, Jonas, he's an outdoorsman, and Jonas. He's not doing sports when he plays softball.

Right, exactly. He sees the world very, very differently. But, yeah, a lot of water. but ultimately honestly it was the summer the Jays kept things going yes they did and they're making things very interesting right now I'm concerned about it though because when we were finishing for the summer

we're called the two of us they were kind of in a weird spot I remember like we had talks on this show going are they going to get to 80 wins 85 wins let's be serious like when we left for the summer we were in like talks of them being they were a disaster Think about the turnaround they had to get to right now.

And then we go away and they take off. As I start to watch and get really, I mean, I watched still summer, but I started to really dig in the last couple weeks. Yeah, they're falling apart. And what's going on again? Like, what the hell? This bullpen is the issue. There are, like, it's an absolute terror show.

And yesterday was the worst loss of the year. It was so demoralizing because of what Bichette did the night, what Varshot did in the night. Bichette in particular. Like he pimped that home run too. Like once they showed the replay, he hit that thing and he knew it the second it left his bat. That's the lead. Yeah. Let's actually, before we get to Bichette, Vladdy, who's been a little bit banged up, is Jake tailoring it down first base.

Yes. Like running it out. It was Forrest Gump, basically. Knowing I got a chance here because he kind of hit a bit of a Roger Dorn down the third base. But he got there. So you got your leader who battles it out to get on base. Bichette hits a monster go-ahead home run. Varsho adds to it. And no one, I didn't think for a second it was secure. And ultimately it wasn't.

And I would say that the two most frustrating viewing experiences, if you're a baseball fan, if you're a fan of a specific team, it's either you can't get clutch hitting, which is what last year was. It was the same movie every day. Some guy would get on second, never got a man. they get into the situation. They were in the ninth yesterday. No chance Bichette's going to hit that home run.

Or your bullpen is an unmitigated disaster. Dude, I don't know what's worse. I really don't. I know watching the no-hitting is more painful because you're like, this is not even entertainment. What they're doing now is at least entertaining, but you know the result at the end of the day is going to be trapped. It is crushing for morale when your team,

because this team has got some moxie, they've got some they've got chemistry exactly and they've had a lot of come from behind wins and they put themselves in a great spot at September 2nd they're 2nd they're 2 and a half up on the Yankees was so bad yesterday for Buck Martinez

yeah Bo hits the home run he's like September your best player's got to be your best and then he was like there's something special about this team and then they go cough it up that's exactly that wrung out he's like man these guys are great there's something special then they go out there and you knew it was going to happen

oh the second Tommy Nance started You know, he wasn't great. But then when Brendan Little is just throwing ball after ball into the dirt. Dude, there's something about the way that that guy throws. He can't throw strikes. He can't throw strikes. The way he grips the ball, though, like put Donnie baseball up there in the mound. Do something.

But the medical guy, the big dude, the ball guy. Put him on the mound and get him a baseball. Yeah, something has to give, man. It was concerning. But I was the other way. I thought, okay, once Bow hit it out, like I was like, okay, they got this one. And they trailed all game and just kind of backdoored their way into it. I feel they've got to win like 10-4.

And they've got to start and pitching, too, news. Right, they do. Like their starters have collectively been great for a month. What a rotation. What a turn around for Scherzer. We were talking about Scherzer at the start of the season. We were like, this guy's going to have two starts. And now he's a guy that they're going to probably lean on if they get to the playoffs.

That's right. Back stiffness. But now, yeah, he gets hit. And then the back. Like, I worry about the Tiger Woods that, like, when he gets hit, something flared up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

That's the first thing I thought about because you're not going to have your best stuff every night. And you just didn't have his best stuff, but it was like the ass grab. I'm like, uh-oh. Yeah. I just don't want him to miss a start or miss a rotation here. Well, they're down to a five-man rotation, right? Like Lauer's going to transition in the bullpen.

They're going to stick with that. They're in Cincinnati tonight. They're at Yankee Stadium this weekend. He better snap out. Rios has been a real point. problem but he's the outlier because the rest of the rotation has been very good but they get to yankee stadium on friday that's as big of a series as you could ever have because they they have been in control the a lease now for for over a month yeah well over a month

yeah it has been it's probably been a couple of months you know it was actually when they swept the yankees i was just going to say that that yankee sweep that's right here four games sweep they swept them at home they were three back and they left that up one and they never they have not looked back since yeah but now the socks are hot the yankees hot and the jays it's it's i think there's an element of it that is comforting that you know what the problem is right right like it's not spread throughout your your lineup that thing right there is very focused and you still have time for some of these guys to spin it back around and i believe a couple of them will but it's so bad right now you have you can't have faith in anybody but there's

one guy you can have faith in level of comfort in hoffman if i called your brother right now Very, very low, man. Oh, he hates that guy's guts right now. Yeah, he gives up home runs every time he's on the mound. But what I don't understand is, like, from what you've seen the last 10 days week, isn't there like an off-the-grid option where you're just going to be like, you've got to be the guy now? I don't know who the hell that guy is, but.

I don't know who that is either. Snyder, you can see the frustration because after games, he's like, I want to give the ball to Hoffman 10 out of 10 times, man. He's got us to this point. You cannot put that guy out on the mound right now. You can't, you can't throw him under the bus. And that's the problem. So tonight he's going out there.

Yes, I believe if they're in a safe position, Hoffman's going out. What I can't stand about it, Brian, is when another team does that to the Jays. Like when they hit the homers in the ninth, they just go out there and it's like one, two, three, bang the game's over. Yeah, I know. And for the Jays right now, that is a pipe dream. Yeah. Like a pipe dream, one, two, three games over. Yes.

Like, even when Hoffman got that saved, the third game of the twin series, he gave up a double at one point. You're like, here we go. Like, yesterday you could feel it. Like, you could feel it. He won outrageous save, like in L.A. where he had, like, some walks, and then he... Well, yeah, but he didn't even get it. They had to go to Flu Hardy to get Shohay and, uh...

Yeah, there was... And bets out. Because he had walked five guys, and there was like the seven, eight, nine hitters. Let alone my brother, you hate Hoffman, too. I've seen your tweets. I'm not a fan of where Hoffman. No, you have no faith in Hoffman. I think there's a chance. I think there's a chance, though. Do you think there's a chance he can get it together?

I think you have to believe it. They need him. Yes. Ultimately, you have to believe it. Like, in the. moment, I have no confidence at all. If they're up, even up to going to the ninth tonight, you're just like, what in the earth is going to happen? The two people I think of when I see

this happen, because I've been watching a lot, I think you're brother with no tarp on in the back, back you. Throwing a beer at his TV, and I think of you, once the tweet comes up going out. That was heartbreaking. I'm trying to be, I'm trying to spend the positive thoughts. You had one recently. It was like sickening, sickening,

sickening stuff. That was yesterday, man. Although it could be on a loop. There's been a lot of them. And like you just, you get to a point here where you still have, you still get a lot of games left. You got September, but it is September. Yeah.

And once you put yourself in this position where you've got, like it's not a stranglehold, but you've got a pretty firm grip on the American League East, you've got to hold on to it now. No, of course not. But I'm saying two weeks ago they did. And now you've got to get to the finish line. You've got to win the American League East.

You have to. had that opportunity. It was like two weeks ago where the Yankees were still kind of struggling. Yes. And the Red Sox were too and they could have taken off. And they didn't do it. Yeah. Well, we'll see what comes of it tonight, but you're going to go to the bullpen, right? Like you can't

go back to the 50s and have a guy just pitch. Who's on the mound? It's Burrios tonight. And Barlow's on for the Reds. He's had a pretty good year. But like the bats are not a concern. I'm not even that concerned about Barrios. Well, didn't, who pitch like I am? But it was Bassett. Wasn't it a stretch for him to like

wheel out there in the seventh. Where Snyder must have been like, please, just go out there and do it. That's what is going to be really interesting is to see if they adjust their thinking. Because like modern baseball is, you go a couple times through the lineup and then you adjust. I don't know that he went up to him and said, dude, you've got to give me one more. You've got to give me like as close to 100 pitches as you can. You got to try to give me one more inning. I got to shrink my bullpen now.

I was just going to say, if you can shrink that bullpen, then, you know, your starters, your starting pitchers can get you through. Yeah. Gosman had an ace the other night. Gosman was great, and Beaver was great. And the bullpen, now the bats weren't great. You've got to point that out. The first two games were into Milwaukee.

They did not get any clutch hitting. No. But Bieber was great on Friday. Gossman was great on Saturday. They didn't get hits. And then the bullpen came out, and it was just, it exploded on him. Dude, Gladdy is pointing to the sky for running out ground ball. I know.

You know his celebration. He's not a great place right now. He's doing his full sellies for, like, like he's clapping and then he's pointing to God and he's kissing his hand. And I'm like, dude, you just. ran out a grounder like a wounded duck grounder and you're doing your full celly. Well, he needed that. He was so happy yesterday.

Dude, I get it, but ever since he blew his hammy out, he has hit nothing. No, he has not come back strong. Dude, Boba's shit, how much money is that guy going to ask for? He's going to say, give me $600 million. Bose is one of the hottest hitters in baseball. One of the best hitters period right now. In terms of his numbers across the board, they're so good. And

Vladdy, man, I mean, based of the franchise, that's what you want to call him. Great. but for 500 sheets like Juan Soto everyone is bitching and complaining about the year that that guy's having look at that guy's stats right now he's having it off year

he's got like 35 homers yeah got numbers oh he's got massive numbers and he's like five home runs away from his career high and Vladie's going to end up with what 24 homers he's got 21 now so he's on pace for what let's say 26

it's just I don't know you give that guy that kind of cash you're thinking more well now now is when you really think more. Like September, October is when it really matters. And it gets back to the comment. Like when Bichette hit it, you're like, there's your star player, big

moments at big times. At the end of the day, if they have a good September and Vladdy produces in the playoffs, we're not talking about 500. Of course not. You're going, it doesn't matter. Like this guy produced when you needed him. That's

really ultimately, because when you look around it, it's, you know, other players are going to step up on other teams. They're big players. Look at the Forrest Gump there on the Rangers, around the Yankees, sorry. Oh, yeah, Stanton, yeah, Stanton's putting up numbers. When he's healthy, he puts up numbers.

But he's a clutch hitter. He's had clutch moments throughout his career. But you're right, there's ebbs and flows. You know, everyone, like, bargers in one right now. I know. Well, he had 13 at the break, and he actually came out of the break pretty good until he got heard. But, yeah, it's got to be better. I mean, there's no sugar-coating that with Lattie.

He's not in a great spot. But Bichette is, you know, doing what he's doing. Springer's had a phenomenal year. Barger is really struggling right now, but you got to put faith in him. I like that barge. If you believe in him, he was going to hit a rock at some point. And he was a massive part of the success that they had turning it around. He was like the guy.

He was huge. So you've got to allow him to adjust. Maybe you take him under the lineup for a day. Maybe you move him down the lineup. But if you get out faith in a guy, you got to let him, he's going to hit the skids at some point in his career. And you've got to allow him to adjust and come out of it. And I think they're going to do that. But you're right.

Even with the bullpen, Vladia, if they all have big moments in September and October, no one's going to remember specific games or specific, you know, details of weeks or months or whatever. You know who that barger reminds me of? Matthew Nye's got the same hair. Like, Barger looks like, you know how you said he's nice as hockey head? Barger has like a baseball look. Yeah. Oh, that guy when he's cooking, he looks like a stud.

Yeah, he hits from power, left-handed bad. Looks like he's got the whole package. Yes. I like him. He had a big hit against Minnesota last week. Huge hit for them to win that last game. So anyway, listen, we'll continue to touch on it throughout the afternoon. We've got Dan Patrick coming up just after five.

We'll get the NFL in action this week. We'll get into that. Packers are strong, man. Micah Parsons is there. Doesn't he have a back? Something going on? Did I not read if he needs an epidural to play? Well, I'm thinking that that guy's going to put your team over.

There's a lot of conflicting reports on what that trade meant. for both sides. I think it was a grand slam for the Packers because Parsons is that good. The best player went to the pack. Absolutely. You look at his numbers. They are off the charts. He's still young. He's 26. I think the injury is more spin on

Dallas. There's a couple of guys who have left their respective town. Yeah. One of them's Mitch Marner. One of them's Micah Parsons. And they're trying to make good with a massive market that they're leaving. And I think what's going on there is Parsons is like, you know, the reason I wasn't practicing, the reason it was because I actually got

something here, he's playing. He's going to be playing on Sunday. He was out practicing yesterday. If he's really injured, he's not practicing. He's not, he's not, he's not in paths and contact. But you think that this back thing that came up with Parsons is him saying that's why I wasn't on. Well, he was claiming that that's why he couldn't practice. He was a, he was a hold in. Yeah. And he was claiming and he was going for a second opinion. He wasn't going out there because there was no contract. Of course it was. Of course it was. but most of these guys

try to come up with something and he was going for a second opinion and it was getting ugly. I guess my point is the Packers knew he was dealing with something. Let's say he's not dealing with something. For the best player. Yeah, and they passed the physical

and went through it and he's already practicing and I think he's going to play. So I think he's, guys in the NFL are hurt all the time. Exactly. Like that's just the way it goes. And they gave him, what, 47? Yeah, 47 a year. I was paid non-QB ever.

Yeah, it's a massive contract. But he's a player. But he's a study. Look at his numbers. They're off the charts. What do you think, to Luke? My part, my part, he's takes, saying... He liked it for Dallas more.

I think he might be the only one that liked it for Dallas. Although there was a ton of commentary, a ton of commentary that said, this guy's a bad dude, and he's bad in the locker room, and he's a diva. And you know those reports. Yeah, see, that's where I have a difficult time. If he was traded anywhere else, you'd be saying watch out for this guy. I will say, like the podcast stuff very much, like that, there's athletes that do it. Right.

I do worry about the role that can have, you know, in a locker room, right? Or he's a free role in pot. He's doing top five lists. Like a big thing was in, he was talking about the five best quarterbacks in the NFL. He didn't mention Dak. Now, that's not one of the five best quarterbacks. Right. But a lot of guys would be like, just, I better just say it.

Just say it. I got Dak, you know, yeah. Or excluding Dak because that's my guy, I'll go with, but he didn't even do that. So, you know, a lot of people wondering, is Doc take issue with that? I don't know. Guess what? Jordan Love's not one of the five best quarterbacks. So if he does it again, Love better not get his nose out of joint. I didn't love the antics with him sleep. We'll see.

Like, the guy is not perfect. No, Rolovsky said that about the Cowboys. He's like, when I was a kid growing up, the Cowboys were the Cowboys, man. And now we're talking about Micah Parsons, sleeping on a training. Bad look. Bad look. Bad call. bad look.

Playing or not playing? What are you doing? Like, it was a horrible. I can't deny that. But look at their owner. Like Jerry Jones, you have faith in anything Jerry Jones is about? That's where I have an issue with ever suggesting Dallas knows what they're doing,

because that's the guy who's running the operation. Twitter blew up with Jerry Jones' son was just like, you could tell he just wanted to look at him and say during the press conference, you have no idea what the hell you're doing. I know. No idea. That's why he's up there. He's up there to protect Jerry from, like,

Just relax. Like, you can tell he's, like, grabbing him. Squeezing his leg. Enough of that. Stop talking about that. Yeah. But, no, it's exciting. That was a big trade.

That was a massive trade. It was live on air, right? Live on air. Keegan was in here. Frankie Carado was in here. It was live at five. Kagan's a big Packer fan. I didn't know Keegan was a Packer fan.

That was awesome. And this is where, again, it just falls in the lap of the NFL. Week 4 Sunday night, Packers at Dallas. Like, you can't script that any better. It's Sunday night football. week four, which is the same day as the singles for the Rider Cup. There's singles rider cup that day. I think Chiefs Ravens at 425, Packers, Cowboys at 820.

I don't know if I'll leave the couch. I've already told my wife, I'm like, throw that in the calendar. Take the kids away for the week. That's the day where I don't exist. No. Yeah. Like I am. Walk the door to downstairs.

I'm going to bring food down. I'm going to have a setup. I'm not moving. It's go time. I've read your comments or watched your comments. where you thought it was a miss for Mitch Marner on a back-to-back to come. Yes, yes.

What the hell are you talking about? The schedule was... No, it wasn't. They can manipulate the schedule. Come on. The schedule came out way before the Mitch Marner trade. No, it didn't. It came out after Mitch had gone to Vegas.

I just personally... It may have been already finished. It may have been... I've got a lot of... You milked that thing all summer. I was on that. People would come up to me and be like, what about it? And I'm like, this is something.

thing happened that I'm not aware about. This thing happened four months ago. I know. I had a lot of people, like calling me, right, me, and they're like, what are you talking about? It was the never-ending trade. And then Alic came up a couple days ago. His agent was on a podcast and it was like, don't believe this

spin and that spin, and I'm reading all this stuff. And I'm like, didn't this thing happen three months ago? It's a spinoff. It's a spinoff right now. The guy is on a different team. Can't we just say, it won't die? It won't die. It's not going to. And Mitch is still talking about about it then that's the biggest thing like if if you let bygones be bygones why is the agent

doing podcasts well the next big thing that's going to come up is if his house goes up for sale that'll be the next big thing like he's finally i don't know well yeah i mean i as far as i know he was here all summer yeah you know like which is that's his hometown exactly but if it like you would think if it was like i got to get out of here he would have gone to vegas on july first or second but he didn't he was up here and you know he's entitled to that but I don't know. I don't have an issue with him talking about it, because at some point you're going to have to.

It's a massive story. You were a Maple Leaf for nine years. You're Mitch Marner. You're going to have to address it at some point. So I don't have an issue with that. But as far as the stuff that went along with it, if you're going to present him the contract that you did and you don't move him the summer before,

don't expect anything different that happened the way it played out because you gave him that opportunity. Yeah. So as that July 1st kicked in in the no trade, Like, you gave him the opportunity to do what he did. So there's no other thing to blame than that, the way the contract was laid out. So don't blame anything. He had the right to say, I'm not, he said it.

I didn't want to be a deadline player. He had the right to do that. He had the right to, yes. He had a right on a lot of different fronts. Like, would it have been difficult the year before to treat to say, I got to move this guy? Yes, it would have been very difficult, but that was the only time you could have done it. And then he still may have said no. But then I don't know how that drives with everything else.

that it was miserable for two years and so tough. And not to mention, like, Tree was kind of newer on the job. They were still, Brennan Shanahan was still around. There was a lot of different factors that go in. And they felt they had the best chance to win with them. Absolutely. Keep in mind, he's a hell of a player. It's not, you know, you're not moving a third line. Oh, Jamie, do you just wait.

It'll be so Toronto for all the people that were like, get rid of them, get rid of them. And if they struggle and Matthews is struggling out of the gate, guess what's going to happen? You know it's coming. Yeah. Well, man, I mean, it's got to have a good start here. I'd like to see him be healthy and have a good start. Well, no kidding. I saw another segment you did this summer where you're like,

is Matthews being disrespected. All of a sudden, he's pretty far down on the list for some people. Those guys down at the NHL Network, they were just giving him. Ruppers got him. Roppers was like, Jack Hughes is way better than Austin. I mean, that's an outrageous guy. Dude, I wanted to call. I don't have his number, but I want to say Roper.

Let's get really here. Come on. I'll grant you if you said, you know, Barker. Cobb. I can listen to that. Ikel, maybe. Jack Hughes. I think his exact words were a healthy Jack Hughes and a healthy Austin Matthews. I'm taking Jack Hughes all day long. You, hi, dude.

This guy scored 70 goals. And that was the crux of my argument. I was laughing. And the point I was trying to make was I hope he's listening to it. The classic play, which has always been bogus, and again, with Marner, again, proof of it, because for nine years,

I don't listen to anything. You listen to everything. You knew exactly what you. Everybody listens to everything. Everyone listens to everything. So don't come in and try to play too cool for school. And I don't listen. Listen, but take it as a shot. Like, if you're, people are calling you out. People don't think you can do it anymore because Matt, because Marner's gone or because

or whatever. And listen, his playoff reputation, he's got to own. I'm not, I'm not holding the flag up for him on that. Like, he is, he's got to own that. But I don't know, man. I mean, you just like Austin Matthews. That list right there, the one common denominator that pushes him down to seven with anything on that.

And it's surprising that Braden point, they didn't put him ahead of him. It has to do with winning. And they've all won. Now, McDavid and Dress Settle having technically won, but they've done everything they've gone to the finals two years in a row. Yes. They've won ten playoff rounds or whatever it is. I know, but if cup

rings are... Yeah, exactly. Like, Dave, you're right. Like, I'll ask you both this. That list is up there right now. Austin Matthews is at seven. Jamie, where would he be on your list? Six. Like he wouldn't be a lot higher I'd have I'd have him four

Yeah me too I'd still have him four I mean like I love Barcov But Barcov You can't spend every spring saying Dept depth depth depth their third lines The greatest line of all time And then say well it's Barcove the reason they want to come

And that by the way that list that they put out It doesn't say playoff It's a 38 Is also like I love Sid but sit at 38 But I like you're right Sid You're right Sid Sid he's still getting

He's still unbelievable And Barkoff, like, I think there's more of an argument in those three as opposed to... And Eichael, I think. Oh, no, I have him a head hike. Okay. So I would say, I probably should have said five instead of six. Whatever. But my point being is, like, there was a time where he was two.

Yes, one. You're right. Like, you know what I mean? He's got an opportunity this year to do that. No, but you're right, though. Like, McDavid, Dry-Suttle McKinnon or over here now. Right. He's not in that group anymore.

But he can push back in there by having a good season. And it's on him to do that. right sure um all right we'll come back in and discuss one of the guys the number one guy in that list is still not signed yes mac david's story is starting to cook here man it's starting to smell a little bit like tovaris it's getting a little bit fishy out there so we'll come back with that dan patrick in just over half an hour confirmed the night today overdrive continues tsn 1050 and up on youtube live all right overdrive continues powered by fanduel bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score.

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Isn't he one of the younger guys who's not like, is he everywhere on like apps? I don't know if Doogie has any online presence. whatsoever, which is more of a red flag. Yes, that's horrifying for a 23-year-old kid. Yeah, it's scary when young people are like, oh, I have no idea what you're talking about with trends. Yeah, do you see that thing trending the other day? No.

Oh, you missed that? No, I don't. I'm not online. I have no online presence. Oh, okay, doogie. I'm going to go stand over here now. Yeah, JP will help about it. JP will take care of business.

Yeah. It's all good. It's all good. So, yeah, we've got Dan Patrick come up. up in about a half an hour, confirm it than I later this afternoon. Where do you guys stand on Connor McDavid, not signing, and according to reports, not even talking numbers yet? You know, like, we're pretty certain the orders are calling, or at least said whenever

you're ready, we'd like to sit down and talk. You said a text and go, what's up? You up? Type of thing? Yeah. I mean, we're in September. I'm in a way in second. Okay.

Well, there's so many different layers to it where is he sitting. there and it's a weird statement or thought process to say, I want to be sure that this team can be set up to win for years to come. I don't even really know what that means, especially the idea that you just went to the finals two years in a row and lost. So the idea of going back to the finals, a third straight year or even one or two times in the next four or five years would be a difficult task because Vegas is going to always want to win. L.A. is going to be there and there's going to be teams that just pop there's going to be all kinds of things

it's difficult to win but that is strange when you're going to be commanding what 16, 17 million dollars a year so those two things have to happen and to just be sitting there and nothing being done so what is he saying like what has to happen for the team makeup

for him to say okay now I like it now I like it for the next six years and now I'll commit to signing whether it be short term or long term there's so many different layers to this where it's it's got a weird vibe to it where he's just there's no contact they're not talking and yes they could come up and get something done right but this is the same thing that happened with the devars this is how it started out where it's like

oh we'll see it's business you know i'm going to take my time with this and then the next thing you know it was january and it was like oh it's business you know this is between my age and the team and then three or four months later he signed in toronto so if i'm an emminton oiler fan this has got my attention there's no question it has to it has to it has to have your attention. It's September 2nd and he hasn't signed. And you saw his comments in June, you saw him scripted comments

the other day at Canadian. Yeah, I have every intention of winning in Edmonton and all that's not signing in Edmonton. It's a weird way to phrase it. Here, Jamie, is there a transaction out there where they could make one and he'd be like, oh, okay, now I'm good. I just, I'm just telling Hayes off there and the Grappler

and everybody. This is my only belief. This might be about money. and what I mean by that is you talked about 17, 18, or whatever. This year the cap is at 95. Next year it goes to 104,

then it goes to 113, 5, then it goes to 120. So if he can command 20% of that, I don't think you, and this is, I don't think you, you're not going to make an excuse for somebody to go, yeah, I'll just saw it off at 6 years at 18, but he might

be leaving a lot of money on the table. If I was him, I would bridge myself into a short deal. Like I'm talking a one or two year deal because that's when you're through into the big money. And what I mean by that is now you can set your, he can pay himself $24 million

a year and not have that hurt the team. I think fans would look at that as he's got two years left here and then he's going to go play something. But that's fair because he gives himself the flexibility to go, it's not working out here and I'm going to move on

but I've given you 12 years. He's already given 10 years. It's a long time, man. I think this comes back to being creative. Keep in mind, this organization has hired his junior coach, his agent is the guy driving the bus. Like, he's gotten... His best friends are signed forever and Leon and Leon.

There's lots of things that could work out here. But I also think you have to look at it from a business standpoint and go, he can command up to 20%. He took less last year or last time at 10%. 12-5, he can put 10 more million in his pocket per year if he times it right. The timing is threading it interesting. Now, if that's the case, I still don't know why you can't get that done in July or August. Fair. Like there's no, you know what I mean? Like if his plan is I'm going to sign a one or two year extension, they could have done that a month or two ago. But he's chosen

not to do that. That could be the case. And he'd have all the right in the world to do it. And he deserves to be the highest paid player in the world for the foreseeable future. Right. But if that's the mentality, and that's just your hypothesis or your, your, you know, opinion of what could be happening here, that doesn't jive with I'm obsessed with winning. That jives with I'm obsessed with getting paid the most money I can get. Now, maybe you can marry the two. Well, that's where I was saying.

But it's difficult to do that. I don't think there's headspace is in the area of I got to get the money. I get the money. Well, exactly, though. But that's my point. if it's just about I got to get to two or three years and then I'm going to sign for $22 million on a six or seven year deal

or whatever it is, then again, he's entitled to that, but like how does that jive with like, I need to win right now? Because the best, I would say if he had the best chance he has to win right now outside of playing for Florida is probably

the team he's on. Yes, based on the last two years. Based on the last two years. But that may not be the case for the next four, five six years. So if you go shorter, you're still in that scenario, but you're also got your business hat ongoing. I am going to get paid in that next stratosphere where you, I was telling him, I'm like, that Parsons guy put 47, no, NFL, NBA, Michael Parsons, yes. Yeah, these guys are putting 40 million in their jeans and other sports in that. And he's got an opportunity to put

something with a two in it, 20 million. Yes, a couple years down the road. And that very well could be the case. Again, I don't know why. He's got a hundred and something sheets already and endorsements and all that. I get it. I just think there's that could be happening for sure. Now again, I don't know why you couldn't get, you couldn't establish that at least

with, hey, this is our plan and we'll let you know how it's going to go because all the all the eggs are in his basket. He calls and says this is what we're doing. This is what it's going to be. Now, I also do wonder if he's looking at what's happened here, specifically with the goaltending position, because that's the way you allow

me to stay in the fight the longest. Like Skinner and Pickard have got him to two cup finals in conjunction with the rest of the team. It's been good enough to get to a cup final. Game seven and a game six this year. That's pretty damn good. Now it's been up and down at times and they've been pulled and then they go to this guy, then they go to that guy.

But I do wonder if he's looking at that position in particular and saying I can't do this for five more years with these two guys. Like that's not going to work. At some point it's going to explode on me in a big game in the first round. Skinner's going to get pulled in game seven and I'm going to It's gone.

Agreed. And they haven't done anything. Which I think he has the right to look at Bowman and say, I thought you said we're getting some new blood in here. And as of now, it looks like it's Skinner and Pickard opening night. I think they're going to, again, this is just my opinion. I think they will change that duo. But I also, I unfortunately am concerned that it Pickard's the guy.

And Pickard makes a million dollars. And he won 22 games for them last year and won seven in the play. playoffs he's a great story jamie but if you think a guy sometimes no i'm just as as simple as saying if you want the guy to be your goaltender and he's paying it you're paying him a million dollars you're going to get a million dollars i misspoke you're saying it won't be skinner go i think pickard's the guy out yeah because they're going to try and find somebody to challenge skinner as a one and that's that's i should have said that preface it i'm worried that pickard who has been a great soldier loved by the team and really perform for that contract

They go and find somebody on waivers, you know, a guy sliding through the cracks or a team 20 games in that thinks they're good enough, and then realize they're not, you go and you're going to trade for that. So Skinner would just scare the hell out of me to be in the fold because it's like he's going to have a stretch of play and it's going to be close to the playoffs and they're going to be like, you're a guy again, you're back, and then it could happen again, and then you would be devastated.

And then you've got to look McDavid and dry sidle in the eye again and said we got fooled again. Well, like that is a dangerous scenario, man. And this is the challenge, like, whatever his mentality. And maybe he calls up tomorrow and goes, let's get it done. Who knows? Like he also said, I don't want to be a distraction. It's going to be a distraction.

It's a giant distraction. Yes, he's the number one player in the world. And he's going into a lame duck year on his contract. Something that you want brought to you by Boston Pizza Canada's favorite sports bar. Enjoy $15 lunch at BP where you get an entree aside and a drink and you'll get it all in 20 minutes or less. A fast lunch doesn't have to be fast food. See you for a $15 fast lunch. local Boston pizza. We're asking if you're an oiler fan, playing role play level of concern,

you know, what do you think of with McDavid not having signed? Play it, 20%. Rick Bushwood, 22%, Stevie Caldwell, 20%, pine on the patio, which is a little bit surprising. You know, people are saying you should be a pine on the patio. I guess he is going to be there for this full year, and he could sign at any point. Did you see that interview with Jeff Jackson? Yes. Did he do a doc or something? He did it with Merrick, right? Yeah. He looked like he was asleep, half of it.

Like, he's pretty laid back by, right? Eric's talking to him, and he's like, yeah, we're fine. Like, oh, McDavid, yeah, that's right. We do have to figure that out. Watching that, it actually, if you, like, you're like, okay, I believe this guy. Like, I don't know why. Like, he had no, like, he didn't look. He's got some fiddery or whatever.

You know, you can watch that interview and think that, but then you just kind of think back to big picture, and it's like, McDavid hasn't resigned. Well, and what if they have a poor start again, which they do seem. Every year. Every year. That's when it's going to get crazier in that market. That if they start, you know, five and ten and goalies are, you know, and they're slow, then people are going to be like, here we go.

He's what? He's evaluating and the team's not good right now. Yeah, that's fair. You know, the noisier it gets, the longer it goes without a contract. Regardless of the player, this just happens to be the best player potentially of all time, arguably. Yeah. On a Canadian team that's been a back-to-back cup final.

Exactly. And it is going to get noisy and it's going to be a giant distraction. I just, I don't know. I would be like a Stevie called well. That's where I voted around Stevie. I think it's still early enough. And again, he's got, like you said, Leon Dry Suttles there, Darnel Nurse is there.

He's very close with both of them. Yeah. He knows the coach. He knows the president. He's familiar with the market, the city. He knows they're very good. It's not like they're an awful team. They're a really good team, and they're going to be a good team again this year.

I just, it's curious. It's just a weird situation. It's curious that the wording, the phrasing, the fact that they're not really talking. You have to be concerned. Yeah, it's different than what I thought was coming. I thought it would just kind of be a, they figured out, keep it by and closed doors. Press release would go out, signs a three-year extension, four-year, whatever, and you move on with your life. I don't know if that's going to happen anymore.

I don't, like, the longer this goes, the shorter I think the extension is. I think it's like two and maybe three. like in that range because keep in mind I keep coming back to the numbers and Johnny I bet you Johnny will have an opinion oh he'll have Johnny will have everything figured out but what's your Jerry on it just that no extension I'm just going to play out the year I'm low on that but I'm not zero that's what I say I'll tell you what that'll be one hell of a story if he gets to next year yeah but you know what no but here's where here's where it gets crazy if that puck drops and there's not an extension that is an animal that will never go away

Imagine he was on, imagine they're down 2-0 to L.A. And he doesn't have a contract sign. That's when it gets crazy. That like, again, they battle back. It's hypothetical. I get it. But that's, I'm looking into the future.

Like you, you get Vegas in the first round and Vegas beats you the first two. You're like, what the hell's going to happen with this guy now? Well, you know, like what if he's freaking out that the window's closed? Like,

if that's what he's trying to. He doesn't have an extension by the trade deadline. Like, he's playing it out. Oh, of course. He's not going in. I'm not saying he's going in. Where I'm saying the anxiety, it's September 2nd. You're like, oh, full season, he loves it.

You know, April 28th, you're like, what the hell is going on here now? Well, I think the longer that it goes, the potential for it to get noisier and noisier, bigger distraction. Yes, for sure. All right, Dan Patrick, in 20 minutes, confirm it, then I coming up, overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN2. All right, Dan Patrick in 15 minutes. We're basically on the eve of the NFL season. We'll get into that with him.

Bill Belichick got pumped last night, man. Is his girlfriend on the sidelines? She was before the game. I think that's an important thing to establish. It was during warm-up, but it was awkward. I'll tell you what. I don't know how that's going to, it's going to get really weird there. If that team is like really bad and getting crushed,

Belichick's trying to be Belichick, it doesn't work. If you don't have talent and you're dealing with kids and, like, TCU went in there and absolutely pumped. Then they started punking them all day today. I know. Like really good job on social media. Whoever that kid is that runs that account at TCU, he will be hired by a pro team who's looking for some awareness.

It just doesn't, I don't like, it gives me a bad feeling. Like I'm watching him, he's a shell of himself. Oh, you can see the look in his face where he was like, what the hell have I done here? That's exactly it. Like, because now what comes up is his resume without Tom Brady. Right. Like everything is, oh, and Brady's not around. Like you didn't do much in Cleveland, didn't do much after he left.

Now you're at UNC. And the thing is, he's such a massive star. That's what he is. Like, in terms of professional sports, I would say he is at the top of the list. The last 25 years of coaches and that have created content that people have talked about. He's a household name. Look at people leaving. Well, that's it.

They're at home, they're on Hulu, like they've got a TV, they've got like a streaming deal. Michael Jordan's in the house, Lawrence Taylor's down there, and hey, here's the Great Bill Belcheck. And he and his Tar Heels got absolutely punked last night at home. The only game in town, too, ESPN was there. Like Herb Street's there and Fowler, they're calling the game. The A team is in the booth. And it was so ugly. Well, that brings up the question of just why, like, why did you need that gig?

Like, what the hell are you trying to accomplish here? You could have easily gone on TV for Monday night. I don't know what the hell they could have. Right. You could just retire. You're 70-something. You got all the money in the world. And you go to a college team where it's going to take a long time to build that program up.

So you've got to be in, you've got to be ready to go for years. Where he had like the number of new players. It was staggering. Yes. It was 40s or 50. I don't know. It was ridiculous. A lot of turnover, which is what happens.

And I don't know. We'll see. Dan Patrick will answer that. We'll get his take on whether or not it's going to be a compelling story just because he's Bill Belichick. If the team can't win, is anyone going to watch? Arch Manning had a tough day as well on Saturday. We'll get to that. Look ahead to the NFL season with Dan and confirm it tonight coming up.

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