OverDrive - Willson & AB on a kick deciding TNF, what to make of Kyler Murray & picks for this weekend

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Former NFL TE Luke Willson joins the guys and Al's Brother around the table to make the picks for the weekend, a bad kickoff deciding the game, Kyler Murray's play, and more!

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powered by Fanduel bringing you everything from the opening line of the final score turned out to be a pretty good football game last night the second half the Cardinals started cooking

but the Seahawks get a win in the end Owen Wilson gets a cover in the end I hate these kickoff rules Luke like I hate that you got to put it somewhere in the landing zone and if you don't, it starts on the 40. Like, that's just, that's child's play for quarterbacks in the modern game.

All they got to do is get like 15 yards. Kickers can kick the ball 60, 65 yards now. Right when the guy didn't land in the landing zone, basically Seattle had won the game. Yeah, and I agree, Hayes. And it's something that the NFL. Did we lose Luke there? Yeah.

Oh, we got you, Luke. Okay. We're trying to, no, we're trying to play video, and I don't know if we can play it while you're on. So we got you, though. Continue. Go ahead. Okay, we're back.

We're back. All right. I was saying, you nailed it, Hayes. It's twofold for me. And it's something that the NFL is going to continue to have to monitor and look at. Starting on the 40s is way too much. It's way too much. You know, I used to get it when you kick it out of bounds.

But like the landing zone is not out of bounds. And that thing's half a yard. And I do think it's funny, but it's a big ordeal. the first time I heard it was with Jason Kelsey on his podcast a while ago, but right now it's fun that like Brandon Aubrey can kick 65-yard field goals because he's like, you know, almost a trailblazer on how far and how consistent he's making those. But what's not fun is when the kickers continue to evolve and now a sudden it's like, hey, you know, we're at the 50, we're in scoring range.

Okay, we start at the 35, we get one first down, we run the ball three times, it's third and two, you know and we're at the four there 47 we're kicking a field goal it's like wait we started at the 35 and we threw the ball once got 11 yards and didn't get another first down we got eight or nine yards and we're going to get a field goal out of this like it's not it doesn't really lead to a great brand of football my opinion and honestly like the game again i don't want to steal jason kelsey's thunder here because he was kind of the first guy ever heard talk about it like this. I couldn't agree with them more. The game is not really

meant to be played that way. The game is meant to be like one in loss in the trenches with great defensive plays or running backs or one-on-ones with receivers and d-bs or quarterbacks going through progressions. It's not really meant to be like, hey, we need

to get 15 total yards and we have a kicker that can count it. It continually boot 65-yarders. No, it's ridiculous. And last night was a perfect example because Herb Street, Kirk Herb Street, who has been playing football and calling football for 30 years, said, oh, you have to kick the PAT because you have so much momentum. You got to go to overtime because you got momentum.

And it turns out you don't if your kicker can't get into the landing zone. So you almost have to go for two. Like I feel like what this is going to lead to is it's going to change the way the scoring team may be acts with 25, 30 seconds on the clock where they start going for two because if you hand a team, especially with a competent quarterback, and that's what Donald is, competent. He's not great. But you hand that to Mahomes or Allen or Jackson.

That's child's play getting 10 yards. Child's play for them. The game's over. And hey, Hayes, I totally agree with that. And I think that the sentiment of why they did it, because last year there was like no kick returns, you know, and we want to have returns in the game. And I'm sure when they came together,

it was like, hey, this will kind of spur. And there has been a ton more returns this year, which has been fun. but the whole like didn't land in the landing zone thing is it's definitely a dagger and the other thing that gets a bit strange too for me is I believe now if you kick it in the end zone it goes to the 35 is my rule knowledge yeah so what gets really weird for me and it happened a few weeks ago um is at that point it's only a five-yard difference it was the what was the game where it was the two-minute ordeal and they took it out and blew the two-minute warning part of it, where it's like, kick the ball out of bounds and you save the two minutes, you know, if you're down, because if you kick it in the end zone and they take a knee, it's the 35. If you kick it out of bounds, it's the 40. So I guess my point here is if it's two, let's say, you know, you're down and there's two minutes and five seconds left. And you're like,

well, we got to make sure that the team, you know, that you're kicking to, if you elect not to go for an onside kick, you want the two minute warning to stay and play, the two, timeout is a big ordeal where it's like okay we can kick in the end zone and now they have to decide are they going to take it out you know then the field position switches and you get to that well or you just kick it out of bounds and either way it's a five-yard difference and you get to keep the two-minute warning so i i remember that happened earlier in the year and i thought to myself like it's really not a well-polished situation on this kickoff right now what's your evaluation on kiler murray like so last night noodles and i are doing the leaf game hop in the car

and the guys on Westwood 1 are talking about how it's really weird on the Arizona sideline right now. No one's near Murray. He's not talking to anyone. Like, everyone's giving him his space. And it's like, it's really weird, right? Like there's no energy around it. And then all of a sudden you get home, you get home and you're like, cue the comeback. And Kyler Murray's buzzing.

Yeah. Like, what's your read on this guy and what holds him back from being, you know, kind of in the conversation with the really talented QBs? You know, Frankie, there's a few things for me. And it's hard to point for me, because I'm not in the locker. It's hard to point my finger right at Kyler. Like, is it the offensive coaching staff, you know, is it the players? Obviously, Marvin Harrison Jr. had a tail of two halves yesterday. But even the comebacks, you know, there were some good moments.

But when I think of, like, a really well-oiled machine, like a really, you know, professional football drive, I'll go to my guy Matthew Safford, you know, where it's like, hey, I'm back there and we get the run game going. We got to play action. Even Sam Darnold, in the moments they did have drives yesterday, it was like big run, okay, go through progression one, throw to my second read. Okay, manipulated defense to my eyes, flip back, this guy's wide open. Where it's like yesterday, the big plays to Marvin Harrison's second half were just freak of nature athlete plays. You know, the touchdown to Marvin Harrison, he was completely. completely gloved.

There's zero separation. He just out physical, out talented Witherspoon at the point of attack to catch that football. The second one, which was not a touchdown, but a big chunk on the game tying drive was, again, Marvin kind of like back shoulder, like inside fade, kind of wheel route vibe. There's no separation there at all. It's a great throw by Kyler. It's a great adjustment by Marvin Harrison Jr. So my kind of read on this guy is like, yeah, you can obviously being a super athlete, which he is and which Marvin Harrison is, is a big ordeal and it'll lead to you making plays in this league. But that being said, it's much tougher and not as consistent as if you can do those things and operate mentally at a very high level.

And when I watch Arizona, you know, the mental side of it, you know, the, hey, what are they running what are we running how can i manipulate this defense none of that occurs um and and that's kind of why like i'm like hey like it's going to be very choppy for them which is what we saw last night so luke are are people changing their minds on sam darnold and the seahawks i mean where are you at with them three and one they're not too bad yeah contenders where do they rank in the nbc where are you at this is where i'd say it was seattle right now you know right if i had to say you've got your two NFC North teams, Detroit and Green

Bay. Philly, obviously, is your top three. And then after that, you put Seattle in that next kind of group, knocking on the door. You know, the Rams are in there for me. The Niners are in there, but with the injuries, they're kind of on

the outside right now. Obviously, there are three and O, so you've got to respect that. I think the Niners have an incredible coaching staff. Seattle is in there. You know, I would put Tampa Bay in that conversation. Big time. big time you know totally but what jams me up on seattle right now is they're very talented you know their defense is very very talented i think offensive they got weapons across the board the old line is substantially better than what it has been the past

sam looks super comfortable jsn looks awesome you know they're number two right now it still would say is cooper cup who hasn't been like brilliant this year statistically but does a lot of nice things the two young tight ends they got two good running backs that kent walker is really an electric guy in space so like they've got the the pieces or i get a little hesitant to be like yeah let's throw them in there with detroit and green bay in philadelphia is like you look at last night and it's 20 to 6 and you're in complete control and you let kada murray back the game you know and it's just like that's there's no way that should come down to a jason meyer's kick the way the first three quarters that game was played.

You know, you look at week one. Oh, God. You know, it's so great about cutting Luke. God, that was deep analysis of his, that's his team. He won a Super Bowl with the Seahawks, and he gets cut off by a walk-in from Al's brother. This isn't just Alex brother coming in in his house or on some cruise or in Vancouver. I can't see anything, boys. I can't see anything right now.

There is. Look at this guy. He's got a crisp white t-shirt on, too. That's a Vancouverite. That looks like you were in the mountains recently. I was. I was in the mountains. I'm a new man.

A new man coming back. Why would there be bad blood? I don't understand. What did I miss? All we do is pick winners. Like, we rope a dope every single year. All you do is pick winners. You guys are plus two.

I had the worst beat of all time and I'm now plus one. Like this should be a plus three situation right now if it wasn't for a kicker on the Rams. On top of that, Al's brother does disqual. disappeared. We haven't heard from him, man. So as you disappeared, Al's bro, you guys have absolutely plummeted in and you'll never going to see a lead again. I was concerned about you else, brother. You did go dark on me a little bit there last week, but it's all good.

It's great to see you again. I'll take the heat on Friday. I was in an airplane, but I couldn't get back to you on Friday. We spoke on Monday. Yeah. We went back in the communication as is as like fluid as you could possibly get with a team right now. This is as this is basically.

Rory and Lowry at the Ryder Cup right. This is us. All right. So Hazenbro, we're on, speaking of Rory and Lowry in Ireland, you got Vikings Steelers, Vikings minus two and a half, Hazenbro kicking off. What will be an Immaculate Sunday for us. I feel it. I feel it's going to be Immaculate Sunday, and I feel like it's going to start with a little Vikings role to start things off here. I love that, I love that pick. Thank you, Frankie. Someone with some sense here who used to be a professional athlete.

Look, to me, I look at the Minnesota Vikings, and I just think that the Vikings are the better team from top to bottom, besides one position. We'll give Aaron Rogers a slight edge of this case. But Carson's, man, he looks pretty good. Carson put up 48 points last week. Love Carson once. And it's not just Carson's the offense. He did not put up 48 points. Defensive touchdowns, but it's all good.

All this stuff you're saying else brother is completely erroneous. It's only relevant. It comes down to one thing, and this was, I'm sure. I'm getting catfish, but I hope I'm not. The Vikings flew most of their players in pods, business class, and the Steelers did not. They had their players in, like, economy seats going over. Low class. Low class organization.

By a billion. Yes. A billion. Vikings are high class, and that's what we are. We are. High class. I do. That's all the analysis you need right now.

That's it. Just how they flew down there. That's all you need to know. But the Pittsburgh Steelers have been a bit of a dumpster fire defensively. Offensively, they've been okay, but this Vikings defense is for real. There has not been a drop-off from last year. I think they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're the lowest defensive EPA per play this year.

The second best DVOA. So I think they'll be able to to, to stop that Steelers offense and I've got no issues. I love that pick. Lock it in, Haysenbro, Vikings minus two and a half. We start by noon. We're back to even. All right. One o'clock game.

Eagles minus three and a half at the bucks. Eagles favored big going down to Tampa. Oh, and will. on the clock. Such an easy pick. Yeah, this is a layup. Yeah, it's Eagles all day. You know, Mike Evans isn't playing.

I know Godwin might be back. We'll see. But the Eagles are going to come in here and they're going to cover this spread. That's just the reality of situation. Without Mike Evans in here, I'm not going to take a situation where you've got,

Abuka is your best guy and he's a rookie against this defense. There's no way I'm taking that. I picked against the Eagles last week. It was an unbelievable pick outside of a kicker. I'm with him this week. Okay. I love Baker in this situation. I do too. I love three and a half

at home with Baker Mayfield and a chip on his shoulder. Big game Baker? He's the best. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. So we're 2 and 0 as of what, 4 p.m. Let's move on to the 4 o'clock games, Al's brother. Ravens minus 2.5 at the Chiefs. Yeah. The toughest game of the year,

naturally it's ours. Go back to him. Go back to the well. Go back to the well. Where are we at here? Well, because the last couple weeks, we've taken both teams. and they jammed us up both times. So, like, either way, we're going back to the well, but where are we going to go? But I truly believe that the Can City Chiefs have to get a going at some point here. And you're giving me Mahomes as a home dog.

You've got to take the points. And this Baltimore Ravens defense has been horrendous. They give up 96 points in three games. No Matabweke, which is massive. The big hole on the defensive line. And I just think overall, the Chiefs have. been and will be better in the trenches. And ultimately, if you can beat the Baltimore Ravens in the trenches, which they got beat pretty bad this past weekend.

Detroit smacked them around. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think Casey could do the same. They've had an extra day to prepare with the short week for Baltimore. They're getting Xavier Worthy back. David Worthy's back. There's no respect for the Ravens. No respect for the races. Lock it in. I love taking points. This is crazy. You can't like this, listen, the Eagles went in there. We're getting points with the Chiefs. We went to that well. It was dry. this one, it's going to be a waterfall, man. You're getting points with Mahomes at home

when he's desperate. These Ravens got bullied last week. They got slapped around. And you think they're going to get slapped around again? Two weeks in a row. Chiefs defense has been contenders. Chiefs defense has been elite. I'll give you guys Chief's defense,

but the idea that you're going to compare the Lions offense right now in the Chief's offense, not even right now the last year and a half, you guys are out of your mind with that. Give me an actual reason. All right. Give me an actual, like,

concrete reason why you're doing. Don't just lie to us. He wears number 15. Thank you. He wears number 15. Don't lie up here. Have some professionalism. All right, 3 and O moving in to the nightcap for Haysenbro.

You guys are on this one. Packers minus six and a half at the Cowboys. This is the layup of all layups. Go ahead. So this is what gets like so strange for me is I'm taking the Packers. But where I get really scared here is that it's only six and a half. I know, it's weird. I'm like, what am I missing?

Like, if it was nine and a half, even ten, I would still probably consider taking the packers. So now I'm like, I'm on edge with this pick. Like, it's so uncomfortable for me to take the pack at this line. It seems so obvious that I almost want to go the other way. It's the brown. Like something is very strange. Your explanation is, you lose to the Browns, the public changes their mind. Quickly, the fickle public.

You lose to the Browns, it freaks people out. Micah Parsons is not getting any acknowledgement from Jerry Jones. No tribute video for Micah Parsons. That guy is going to be Lawrence Taylor in 1987 out there. He's going to be killing guys on Sunday night. I agree. He's going to be on fire. And the next thing, too, the Packers' office, which has looked great week one and two, were horrendous last week. They're going up against a juvenile college level of defense and the Cowboys.

You've got to figure they're just like salivating at that. I'm like looking at this thing. And I'm like, what am I missing? It's like, is Jordan Love not playing? Like, what am I missing? He's playing. I believe the last time they were in this building was the wildcard game when they hung like 40. on the Cowboys, too.

I'm very surprised by this line. It seems so obvious that I'm nervous. Okay. Yeah, it seems so obvious that I'm nervous about it. No CD either. I pressure CD has to practice all week. Like, CD's probably not going to play. So who's going to put up points?

How are they going to stop the Packers? And how are they going to put up points on the Packers? I don't understand this line. It's a gift to you guys. It's an absolute gift. It's a dogy layup. It's insane. The Doogie Layup.

All right, there you go. Picks her in. Haysenbrore on the Vikings. the Chiefs, Owen Wilson, are on the Eagles and the Packers. Best of luck to Owen Wilson. Hazenbro, we shall fly high, baby. This is going to be an immaculate Sunday. I cannot wait for it. I think we might have a double header on Monday night, too.

This could be a huge, huge week. We do. Massive week. Massive. Massive turning point for the whole season. All right, boys, good stuff. Mike Johnson coming up in 15. Overdrive continues. TSN 1050 and on TSN4. The newest tracks and the next big thing. And your first place to hear it all is IHeart, new music, your digital station for brand new drops, fresh finds,

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