OverDrive - Willson on an impressive Caleb Williams performance, a tough loss in Philly, and the final AFC tilt in Pittsburgh

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

TSN Football Analyst Luke Willson joins OverDrive to recap the weekend playoff slate, including impressive performances from Caleb Williams and Josh Allen, a disappointing end of the season for the Eagles, and Justin Herbert's playoff resume. He then helps tee up the Monday night matchup between the Steelers and Texans.

Brian Hayes, the dog, Jeff O'Neill, Jamie Noodles, McClennon. Noodles! And Luke Wilson in studio. Feeling very good about himself. We were saying humble. Three and O on your picks. We jammed you. We tried our best to jam you.

Seeing the board very clearly early in the playoffs, much like you were early in the season, which actually makes us feel very comfortable. We have you right where we want you. I just have a couple things. Noodles and I spoke earlier today. This playoff run is all about staying humble. as you know in the group chat after every win.

Shut up. We just say, let's just stay humble. It's so annoying. Let's stay humble. We get a win. Let's say humble. All right. Well, good for you.

I will say, do have a couple gripes. You can hear them out. Yes. As we all know, and you guys have agreed to this, the regular season doesn't mean a thing without the ring. You know, that's the reality. We get it. We get it.

Let's get some new material. But I also am a little upset. I'd like to know what's going on Dougie because all year, when we were getting smoke, and we were going to be the two seed in the playoffs. Dugie, literally, games weren't even over yet. This guy's tweeting score updates. Right.

Tweeting score updates with two minutes to go. Very quiet. So all of a sudden we have, we're staying humble, we're saying humble. We have one good Sunday. And Dugie, I don't think there's a update yet. No. He's on a cruise with Al's brother. Yeah, Dugge's literally not here.

Speaking of Al's brother, another gripe I have, and this is the big one. This guy all year in the group chat has been. the melchiest. I'm going to call him a turd. He has been an absolute turd. Disrespectful. Yes, he has. He has. I can't argue against that. I mean, it's...

It's been bad. He's been very quiet. But all of a sudden this weekend, when his team needs him, he's not even in the country. He's not in the group chat. We're not happy with Al's brother. I mean, this guy, it's like he got his contract after a great regular season, and now he's completely checked out. So there's a lot of pressure on him.

We have the pick tonight. Bus win? Do you think it's a must win? No, I don't think so. If you're down 5-1, there's still a lot of games. It's a Riders'Cupcile noodles. It's a tough day one of the Rider Cup. That's precisely what it is.

But the Super Bowl, there's so many points on the line. Big swing. That's singles, right? We love singles. Oh, we'll be fine by the Super Bowl. And a lot of games left to be played. But we need one tonight, Houston Pitt. And, oh, you called the game last hour.

You said, this is a lock for us. We're going to jump on it. You want to make that announcement again? We're happy to flush it out. We're all over the Texans. Yes. We're going to lay the points. You're not cheery.

We're not happy about that. I know that's the pick. I did. I did. I asked you guys, you're fine. We're on Houston tonight. Mike Tomlin, Aaron Rogers in the play on a Monday night. You're going against Aaron Rogers.

That's the thing. He's 42 years. He hasn't won anything in a big game in a long time. He just won the AFC North. No. He backed door into the U.C. default. They won 10 games this year. You didn't even play and half of them.

Let me just ask you this. Parks. Let me ask you this. And I'm still calling you. You'll always be my parts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who, you're telling me you wouldn't take the Texans tonight. No. Not minus three. You get serious, man. Not minus three. Your nose is growing, dude. Your nose is growing. Okay, can I put this out there?

So you guys locked in, though. Can we get confirmed? Yeah, we're on Houston. Minus three. Locking the points. So on paper, I would say yes, but this Texans' offense is not good. Like, they are bottom half the league in almost every statistic. Stroud has not been an elite player whatsoever. So I look at this thing and I think that this is

a classic, greasy Pittsburgh game. Do I think they'll win? I think it depends on how well Aaron plays. Now, he's not going to be Josh Allen. He's not going to be Matthew Stafford. But can he muster up 17 points? I think he can get 17. And do I think C.J. Stroud

is going to score 21. No. If he scores 20, it's a push. They score 19. We're winning. I think, A, he can. B, I think the defensive turnovers will side in favor of Houston. I think they could put points on the board tonight. You think they pick off Aaron?

Yes. Or fumbles or what have you. I mean, listen, you saw what they did last week. They asked him to throw the ball 47 times. This guy, they don't have the run game. Talking about the Steelers. Yeah, I'm talking about the Steelers. Houston's defense, number one in the league, the pass rush is going to be all over him tonight.

It'll be quick passes. 42 years old in the cold. Yeah. hit. He ain't like, he's not going to like that tonight. And I look at Tomlin, you know, the last eight to ten years, it's, it's been regular season, get them up, get them in, and they fall flat in the playoffs. Yeah, because they're rolling in there with who? Mitch Trubisky? Aaron Rogers is, have a chance. Did you see him last week when his team was needed him? Yes. He was for 294. He's been playing well. He's got D.K. Metcalf back. When was the last time

he had a great playoff game? It's good. You're going to ask you that to, next time I'm all. I was going to say tomorrow. I'm going to say yesterday. It's been a while. It's not in a position. You're not thinking it's a defining moment for C.J. Stroud because we saw yesterday, we called them now T.Moo quarterbacks. They're not for real.

We saw the T.Moo quarterbacks yesterday. This is like, this is a defining moment for this kid. I would agree. And it's not an easy task. I mean, obviously the Texans defense is an elite unit. One of the best out there. But the Steelers defense has played well down the strike. and I think they will stop the run today.

You know, Hayward looked last week. Yes, he looked incredible. T.J. Watt, if he can get pressure, Stroud has got to manage this game. I don't need him to come out here and play like Josh Allen, but he's got to play well. Because this is what I'll say, if the Texans get up, especially 10 points, this thing could get ugly. This thing could get ugly. But if this comes down to a, which it could, a 13 to 10 just greasy game, I'm I like Tomlin and the Steelers in that style of game.

I wouldn't disagree with that. I mean, listen, it's a tough game to call. Like, they've all been tough. They've all been, they've all been very captivating games. Last night, maybe notwithstanding. Chargers are, there are lines disgustingly bad. Yeah, and Herbert was bad last night. Timu.

Yeah. I'm not team. Don't put in that category. He always gets let off the hook, and he could not, he couldn't move the ball last night. I know the offensive line isn't great. It wasn't great all year, and he still found a way to make plays. There were a couple of bad drops, a couple of times he got hit, but they have some weapons there that you should be able to utilize.

He chokes in the playoffs, man. He didn't have a great game, but he chokes in the playoffs. He does. My question is, though, is C.J. Strode to Timo? That's my question. He wasn't as a rookie, but we're going to find out tonight. That's what I'm going to say. I'll tell you who I was most disappointed in.

This weekend? Yeah. Trevor Lawrence. Yep. Okay. Does you know why? He's Timu. I couldn't get over it.

Let's take Herbert. Everything you said is completely factual. Past defense showed up. Their offensive line isn't great. But Herbert did not make plays last night. But you look at Herbert, no run game. Absolutely no run game yesterday. Took six sacks and every one of his scrambles, I think minus one,

is not a design play. It was like he was under barrage. And I get you'd like them to play a little better. But I look at Trevor Lawrence. I'm like, you did have a run game. Now, what got weird is that the gags got away from it. But you had a run game. Like, that first pick, I think it was the first or might have been the second quarter.

I did a couple of hits. We talked about it in Jay. Like, it's just generic cover two, and we pipe the Tampa 2 lineback. Right. Right in the chest. Yes. What, it was funny because I was going to send a message to the group, and I swear I'm not making this up.

But they're down three. There's 59 seconds left, and they have no timeouts. They get the ball, and I'm like, you know, if this is Josh Allen, this game is at bare minimum tied. Bare minimum. And I thought to myself, I'm sitting in the room above Jay's studio. I go, he's going to pipe somebody in the chest in the first play for an interception. Like that's exactly what I thought.

I'm like, here comes a pick. Now he didn't pipe anyone in the chess. But he forced a ball. It pops in the air. You know, you look at Josh versus Trevor. And in every aspect of that game, Trevor has two turnovers. Josh has none. Josh uses legs numerous times to make big plays.

Trevor barely uses legs. Trevor throws for 207, I think it was, and Josh was, what, 263? Like, in a playoff game that was back and forth, Josh Allen utterly dominated Trevor Lawrence performance. But yet that cannot be surprising to anybody. And this is what was confusing to me leading up to the game. The amount of people, and a lot, I would say the majority of people, I believe yourself included, were saying, well, Jags have done this,

Jags have done that. Lawrence has been this. Lawrence has been that. And I kept looking at it thinking, guys, it's Josh Allen and the bills. They're not losing this game. That's fair. They're not going to go down against a team with that history and a quarterback that is built and wired the way he's wired

and going to lose the game. There was no way they were losing. I'm with you on that. But my counterpoint would be I was worried about running the football. You're talking about the bills running the football. The bills got smoked by Jackson's defense.

Part of why I thought Trevor Lawrence was going to have an edge here is that he would have a awesome run game because of how bad the Bill's defense is at stopping the run. And I personally believe that the Bill's past defense, which statistically is a very good defense, part of that is because everyone's gashing them in the run game. Right, exactly. Like they're committing to.

I thought their defense played well, though. They did. Like I thought Joey Bose had some pressure when he needed to. I was like, man, Trevor, like, get this thing going here. Yeah. And it was a close game. I get that they didn't blow them out. Damn little, missed a kick.

Now, that was weird. How did they give that at the end of the half? That was like a ball never lies moment for me. Whereas like the half ended, but they're like, actually, there's one second left, so it'll give you a field goal. Bizarre. And they roll out the record holder for long kicks, and he's changed it. I've got to tell you, I thought about you parts watching the L.A.

Carolina game. You know why? Because your story is about Matthew Stafford and practice about sorry, that was a foot off, that was a foot off, that last throw he made to win the game. Insanity. It was like that was put into an area where it's like all, I could just see it, like all that practice about finding like a two-foot window to put the ball. Yes.

And that was like practice makes perfect. And like that that throw was so good. Insane. Those type of throws over the weekend were the defining moment. Defining that one, the Williams throw on fourth down to a dunzae, the cooks catched by Allen in the fourth quarter. It's funny. Like those three throws were the throws of the weekend, the plays of the weekend. I had Zach Laris on the podcast today, and we talked about that throw to Cooks.

And I was like, hey, from a quarterback perspective, like, can you talk to me about this throw in this play? And he's like, what's crazy about it, he took a massive hit. He goes, this protection, he goes, see how Josh is pointing here? He goes, Shakir should actually be sliding. This is a bad matchup protection-wise, but Shakir is supposed to pick up that free hitter that hits him right in the chest right there. You just watched. So what's crazy to me is that imagine you think you're completely. protected. You're like, man, I've got this thing buttoned up. I understand the coverage.

And one of your own guys is looking the wrong way. And you've got to sit in that pocket and be like, okay, well, I'm going to absolutely get tattooed here and deliver this ball. But I'll say this. And again, I got to even credit to Zach Chloras on saying this, but the throw Caleb Williams made on fourth and eight down 11 points. Special, man. He said he thinks it's one of the best throws in the playoffs ever. Like from a talent, not moment-wise. My guy. From a talent-wise. You don't remember the one of it was the Rome of Dunesay?

Yeah, no, it was, that was the game right there. Here we go. Here we go. I mean, this was after the false start. Yes, the end zone view of this right here. How does he get this ball out? Yeah, that's a phenomenal play. That's one of your big misses, Hayes.

It's one of your big misses. You've hated Caleb Williams from his moment. Dude, I'm not kidding. He's hated him since he stepped put in Chicago. He didn't think he was met. tough enough, didn't think he had it, and he's pretty damn good, I'll tell you that. Maybe it's just because you're a Packers fan. No, he hated that guy's guts.

The way he played in the fourth quarter, the way he's been very resilient this year, to his credit. Like, to his credit, and he's got talent. He went first overall. Like, everyone knew the talent, but he has been inconsistent at times. That offense has been shaky at times. People didn't think he had the stones for that performance against Green Bay. I didn't think so either. That was his first playoff game.

Let's remember that. Crazy sat here. This blew my mind. I had to go through and I combed through at all of it to make sure it was real. The Packers and the Bears have played three times this year. The Bears

have taken an offensive snap with the lead zero times and have won two games. They have legitimately never had a snap where they were in the lead at the time on offense. Right. Sickening.

And they lost two of the three games. Well, And both, that's a crazy stat. And both of them, like, very pivotal. Like, that was for the NFC North, 34 days ago or whatever at Soldier Field. And they had, the Packers were up 16-6. Malik Willis had to come into that game.

I was, who was it, Dobbs that on the swim. The onslaid kick, yep, yeah. Horrible. You know, that cost them the NFC North. I think Parsons got hurt either the week before, the week after. I can't remember. And it changed the whole landscape of the season. but the Packers have done that all season.

They've just choked away games. They had big leads five, six times this year. What was weird for me was at the end of that Packers game and they're driving the ball. And I do get why they were passing. Not all of it, but it's like the run game was future. They were getting dominated. But their completing passes getting out of bounds.

Well, that's what killed them. The two throws they made went out of bounds. And I'm like, bro, like even as a receiver, it's like it's not hard. to catch it and fall and just, you know, limp your way into staying in bounds. So, like, you go and you're like, how does this happen? And I can't preach enough.

You guys hear me use this saying, situational awareness. Like, we would always talk about in these moments, hey, we need a first down. Hey, stay in bounds. Stay in bounds at all costs. We have to get this done, boys. Like, you can't give Caleb Williams

in this team a chance who has already burned you once. Stay in bounds. Play calling-wise. Can we get plays that we think will keep our guys in bounds? What's your theory, Luke? Because we talk about it in hockey a lot about not being aware of the score clock and when to make dangerous plays and when not to. What is your theory about the modern-day football player

that just can't grasp the understanding of that? Because I find it crazy. To me, that specifically comes from your staff. Again, in college, we didn't talk too much about that. But when I say, O'Dog, it was drilled into our minds, drilled into our minds in Seattle. Like, don't do it. You don't play. And it's 100%.

But also like, okay, today. So how our days would be set up is you kind of get in the morning, depending if you're a lift or not, whatever. But it's like meetings for about three and a half hours, you know, again, potentially four if you're on special teams. And then before lunch, we would have like an hour. I call it a jog through. So you're not wearing cleats. You're kind of where it's on our indoor turf. field, and it's all the new install for that week.

But the end of every single jog through, we did a situational football period, which again, it was not full speed. But Pete would come in. None of us knew it. And it would be like, okay, hey, it's the end of a half. We're starting on our seven-yard line. We have one time out, and there's a minute 40 left. We're actually trying to just get out of the half without giving the ball back.

Or it's, okay, we just got a turnover. up three and we got to kill the time here. So we call four minute offense. Thursday, same thing. Like, you think of this, you're doing 18 weeks of this stuff, so we've playing a kill. Okay, it's 14 seconds left. We need a first down. We don't

have any timeouts left, so it's literally, here's the three plays we would call in the situation. We've got to complete it. Once you get the first down, do not stand up. Like, okay, everyone's got to know the yard line. Get down, sprint to the line of scrimmage, get your killing so we can get the field goal team. And we would time it, like, how fast can you guys

get this done. How fast can we get this done? So that we have an idea. Same sort of thing. Four minute offense. Okay, here's our four minute plays. We need to stay in bounds. Okay, if there's motion, like this is how complex it can get. Wait, take the huddle, come up here, call the motion with nine seconds. Okay, depending on what the motion is. Snap the ball with three or less. Were they doing that yesterday? Nope. Were they staying in bounds yesterday?

Nope. So should Lafleur fall on the sword for this, in your opinion? This is what gets weird. Like, we talk about firing, coaches. So I think part of firing a coach also needs to depend on who else is out there. So let's put this for, you're a Packers guy. Are you going to be thrilled if LaFleur is gone and you guys bring in Stefanski? I would say no.

No. Are you going to be thrilled if you bring in John Harbaugh? Come on. Yeah, and Harba has got a similar recent history in the playoffs. Correct. And he's not a young guy. It's not their MO. Like they don't generally do that.

Love. You think you have, which I like love quite a bit. I thought he played well on Saturday. You think you have a guy that can eventually be in the conversation in that top three, top four category. That's the hope of you're a Packers fan. So you go get an offensive coach. Who is it?

I can't believe that the amount of interviews Mike McDaniel's getting me. It's not going to have Mike McDaniel. Well, as an OC, McDaniel is going to get some love. I'll tell you this right now, if Mike McDaniel is the OC in Detroit, and they get, they tighten that offensive lineup, they'll probably be my Super Bowl favorite next year. Trouble. Yeah, he'll get hired in that capacity.

You've got to think as much as he's a weirdo and the interviews are strange and everything went to hell in Miami, the same breath. What he was able to do with Tua this year, if you give him an offensive line, give him the two runners that Detroit has, specifically Jemir Gibbs,

give him Amin Ra and give him a quarterback that doesn't turn the ball over like Jared Goff and understands football, look out. Well, yeah, I mean, we'll see what happens. I agree with you there in terms of McDaniel and his future as an offensive coordinator. As for Lefleur, what complicates things is he's got a year left, so he's a lame duck guy. They were talking negotiation prior to this.

His playoff record is not strong. He's three and six in the playoffs. It's not positive. There's a lot of choke jobs. I blame him first and foremost for that choke job on Saturday night. But the play calling, the first possession of the second half was the most important possession of the game. and it was just a horrendously predictable three-and-out from LaFleur. He's famous for it.

And, you know, they went out, they traded Matt. They drafted Golden. They never do. A wide receiver in the first round. They trade for Parsons. They win their first two games and they look like juggernauts. And ever since then, they've just faded. Yeah.

Bad losses. Bad losses choke jobs to a divisional rival like Chicago. I don't know. I think they'll probably bring him back. But he's got, this is a classic example of a. sports team where you can either look up and say, would championship organizations accept this? Or would they think we got to take that next step and chase it? Or you can look down, which happens a lot in sports, and say, sure, this is tough, but we could be the Jets.

It could be Cleveland, could be Miami, so it could be worse. And that happens all the time in pro sports. And you gas them then if you have those championship aspirations. I agree. Just to send the message to everyone else in the organization. I'm not sure they do, though. They might have, hey, it could be worse, we could be the Jetsitis. You know, because you see that online all the time.

Yes, Lefleur, sure he chokes, but man, you know what they do for him if he was with New York or with Cleveland or Tennessee? You don't pull the trigger on a Parsons trade and then say, oh, at least we're not the Jets. I hear you. I'm with you guys, but where I get jammed here again is like if you're going to go down that road, who do you hire? Well, there's no one out there right now that I love. For the sake of firing him, correct? You got to have an option. Would Robert Sala getting a second chance?

Like, I know he's a defensive guy. Robert Sala is doing, man. Tremendous, tremendous, tremendous hire. Unbelievable higher. And I think now you've got to get an O.C. Maybe it's Mike McDaniels. How much to OCs make? Tell me that.

How much do they make? Oh, I'm going to guess the top-tier guy will make over a smill. Oh, yeah. I'd much more than that. Yeah. To be honest, I don't know. I think the guy down in Miami, remember the guy who was caught doing some funky stuff.

Which guy? Which guy? The offensive line coach or whatever? Remember the guy down in Miami? Look that story about, I want to say he was making $2 or $3 million. It was like an line coach or something. He was doing snoots on a FaceTime with somebody before a team meeting. He was up. He had his

hands in multiple cookie jerks. He was not supposed to be. He had some problems going on. He was in South Beach. He was making two and a half. I think, I believe we had that conversation going, This guy makes $2.5 million, and he's acting up like this. I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, I think a top O's C parts, see, they're making more than a sheet. Yeah, maybe $3 million or something. I love that turn, a sheet. I love that turn. The best. It's the best. For your four sheets. Yeah. Is there a more, I don't want to say disrespect.

Is there a Super Bowl coach that gets less respect than Nick Siriani? No. In the history of football. He deserves it. He just won a Super Bowl last year, and people hate this guy in Philly. I wanted to utterly puke watching that game, and I'm going to just put this on the radar here. I was, like, I'm pulling my hair out.

I'm so frustrated watching Philadelphia. Roster-wise, offensively, they are loaded. Like, it is insane how good they are. And then you come out here and you're like, and I made this comment yesterday where it's like, it's such a circus on the sideline. We're screaming at AJ Brown because he's not hustling off the field and they're worried about a penalty.

Then you're fighting with AJ Brown. You know, an hour later, it's like Big Dom catches a ball on the sideline, which was funny. Why does that guy have a headset, though? It's like a big dog on the sideline, okay, as a security guy with a headset on. Yeah. And then it'd be one thing of all these shenanigans occur,

and they were buttoned up. Like, I look at Vrabel as a buttoned up guy. I don't know if you were watching yesterday. He is sprinting down the same thing. sidelines screaming at the officials because he knows more than the officials. He's yelling itself. This is an penalty. That's an appellant. The end of the half, this guy was on it. He was like, we need to seal points at the end of this half. He's so locked into the game. Yet third and 11, end of the game, season on the line, you're at home.

We throw a ball. You would have liked Devante Smith to catch it. It's a bit high ball, whatever. Okay, fourth and 11 boys, like, we talk about situational football. A good staff, and I can blame Siri. I can blame Kevin Batulow. I was like, hey, in a got to have it. That's literally you said here are got to have it. Yeah, game on the line. Season on the line.

Season on the line. What are we going to? Here's our play. Here's our two plays. On the play sheet. You know those big, like, you see Sean McVeigh, this is the kind of world I lived in. He has that big old thing and there are different colors on it. You'll flip it around.

It's like, oh, got to have a situation. He's got a little box on there that might say, like, again, let's play break. Got to have it. Fourth down. Got to have it. here are my five plays, and it's literally right there, boom, we're on it. And this is why I think Seriana gets so much heat, we blow a time out,

because we can't get the play call in. And then if you watch, this is right after the 3rd and 11 drop to Devonte Smith. You watch it, they barely get out of the huddle, and then Devonte Smith and Godd aren't sure what side to go to. Then we're walking the line of scrimmage, and think it was Devonte, and then we've got to blow a time out. And you have three, so at least you could have potentially stopped the clock and you'd stop the run.

and there are little things that add up. And then you go to the timeout, you have this meeting in the minds, and again, I know I'm getting a little bogged down in football minutia, but you come out here and you draw up four verticals. What do you think they're going to be doing on 4th and 11? You don't think people are going to be playing soft?

Like, have something where you're pulling a guy out. It's like, dude, and then we try and jam a ball in. It was a Trevor Lawrence throw. I could not get over it. And I'm just like, this is so, putrid. And to me, that was a micro-a-crosm over the whole second half. Yeah, I agree. The whole season. They're lucky they're in the division they're in. But why Siriani is, like, getting all this flack, is all the theatrics, when you can't execute timeouts, we can't get plays in on time.

And our conceptual design or scheme of offense is also pathetic. I can't believe there wasn't some kind of, like, change in the, like, thinking of all the players saying, we had distractions this year, but if we just lock in like we were last year, us of personnel changes not being the same defense or whatever, whatever it may be, we have a chance to possibly go back to back with what's out there right now. Totally. And they just never got to it. They never got to it.

I was shocked by that. I thought there was an outside chance they could put it together and somehow repeat. But they're just. I'm going to put this on, you talk about that, O-Dogg, but it's like not only do think they could have repeat, let's say they win that game. They then go to Chicago, and quite frankly, that is a great matchup for them. That is a great matchup for that team. I would take Philly over Chicago all day.

If we had to pick that spread, I would have probably taken Philly. So you're now going into the NFC championship against the winner of the Rams and the Seahawks. So like you're one game away. And this is what I'd throw to the hockey guys. Another funny one about football that I just think is such a complete myth. Have you guys ever screamed at a coach mid-game? Yes. And did you like that coach?

Yes. Really? Like I see that moment. Okay, I see that and I'm like when like, like, you know, it's just out of love, it's emotion, whatever. Every time there's been a thing in the football league that I've been a part of where guys are getting into it with a point where you're in the coach's face and then afterwards people are holding you back and you're dropping F bombs, you don't like that

guy that much. Sure, you might have respect for him, whatever. But like there's not, they make it sound like, oh man, it's like two brothers. two kids fighting. It's like, bro, we are getting yelled at, our star players getting yelled at, because he's not hustling off the field, which I don't have a problem with it. But then he comes back and tells you to whatever, okay, I'm not going to use profanity. This is not a good in culture.

Like you have created a toxic, I've got to be careful swearing right now. It's just on the pot. I'm a lot of swearing the pot. I don't know. I don't know, boys. Maybe it's different in hockey, but like, In my time in the NFL, I don't remember anyone really going up to Pete and ripping a maneuver. Hockey's different because nobody gets in anybody's face.

The coach is on a bench, and if he's giving it to you for two weeks straight, you might lean back and say, why don't you go bleep yourself? And that's the end of it. And you might have to hear about it at a later day, but there's no, like, getting in someone's grill. Not to mention, too, it's a smaller roster. Luke and the other thing, like you're, you may not love it. like the coach, but you respect them a ton. I've had some pretty hardened coaches, right?

Like, you know, I had Al Arbor, legendary coach. I've had Mike Keenan. I've had Joel Quinville. I've had Daryl Sutter. Like, these are guys who are known, you know, to be, can press buttons. And, you know, at that time, you may not love them, but you certainly respect them. And they're trying to get you going and show you a direction. But, like, I don't think it was ever, you know, F you in the face type of thing.

It was more like, you know, you, yeah, zip it. I hear you, I hear you type of thing when the guy's chirping at you. And he's probably rightfully chirping at you because you're probably playing terrible or out to lunch type of thing. So I think it's different in football. Yeah, and would have been the case yesterday. I think it also depends on if they win or lose. Remember Kelsey getting at Andy Reid a couple years ago? That's right.

But then they won and it was like, oh, it's all good. Yeah, we get fiery. It's okay. Like that was really disrespectful. And that's Andy Reid. Yeah, go. So, you know, I don't know. I think it's just kind of fascinating that it's unraveled like that in Philly.

And they just won a Super Bowl last year. And they're still loaded. Like their defense is sick. And offensively, they have generational guys. Right. And now, again, we'll see what, like, the discourse around Jalen Hurts. Like, he loves this. Go talk about the coach, man.

Don't talk about me. Because he down the stretch wasn't great, and he wasn't great yesterday. I like when he talks. He's like, I'm going to talk. to the GM, the owner, and the coach, and we'll go from there. It was like, no stress on him whatsoever. Oh, good. I just have to share one note from a longtime listener who said,

you should call Al's brother, Brandon Ayuk, abandons his team, and everyone hates him. Oh, that's disappointing. But then look at the Niners, didn't allow them, that didn't, you know, suck them into a black hole. They just kept going and going and going, and that's exactly where we are. Are you going to kick them off? Hang on a sec. We've got to talk about the Niners. There's rumblings on Twitter now.

that their practice facilities beside like some electrical plant. I saw this. And like all the injuries are happening because of it. Like you want to talk about planting a seed where everyone will start freaking out? Yeah. I think is it born? I think Bourne actually said it in his post-game interview. And he made it like he was joking about it.

But he's on the team. He's like, must be the electric. I don't know. I hadn't seen that. Well, they got a short week now up in Seattle. Yeah. The bill is short week in Denver. We'll talk about that later in the week.

Where I'm like, why would they do that? Because both teams played on Saturday, like speaking of... Yeah, you're talking of bears and Rams and... You know? Yeah, it's a jam job is what it is, man. There's no other way to put it. Like, the number one seeds get a short week. Anyway, we'll talk about that later in the week.

All right, picks in. Houston, laying the points. Big one for us tonight. Nuddles, let's stay humble. Let's say humble tonight. Stay humble. There he is. Luke Wilson.

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