OverDrive - Willson on his memories of the famous Richard Sherman rant & looking ahead to Thursday Night Football

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

Former NFL TE and TSN football analyst Luke Willson on the future of Russell Wilson, if Dart is the future of NYG, Lions impressive win, if Derek Henry is slumping on a downward trajectory, best worst surprise of the league so far, memories of the Richard Sherman rant, his pick for Thursday Night Football and more!

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Reven, what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, remember there at plus two? With the worst beat ever, these guys, these guys thought the lions, the Ravens were going to cover four and a half. Might be the worst pick I've ever seen. Well, that's untrue. Might be the worst. That's untrue.

Rams against the Super Bowl winning Eagles. Easily worst pick. Oh, yeah. Century. Minimum century. But listen, I came on on Tuesday and issued a full apology to Detroit. I thought that was mightily impressive. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, they went in there and beat up Baltimore. Beat up. That's what I was impressed with. Like, Goff made some nice plays. Obviously, Montgomery had a couple of break-loose runs. St. Brown was really good. But I thought in the trenches, man, they just went in there and smacked around the Ravens.

And that's what you expect out of Dan Campbell the last two or three years. Totally. And the Ravens were obviously missing their big star there, Madabouquet, and the inside. But you've got to tip your cap to Detroit. I mean, that was a beat down. And again, I think week two and week three. are a lot more of what we expected. I really believe that that week one

was one of those, hey, we played Green Bay, it was a tough situation. You went to Lambo. Micah, the buzz. Green Bay is very, very good football team. We got behind early. You know, kind of a perfect storm. You got to put, I mean, you got to put Detroit right back in that conversation up there.

Yeah, they look good, man. They look really, really good to their credit. And they went for it. Like, again, fourth and two. They're like, we're closing the deal right now. That's exactly it. That's just the right. identity at this point, right? That's what he should do. Hayden Hutchison with the big force fumble, too.

Where are you at with Derek Henry? Like, is Derek Henry that's three fumbles and three games? And two of them have cost his team the game. Agreed. Agreed. I'm still like, he's a goat, man. I'm not rewriting his history. I'm just suggesting, are we looking?

Because you never know when that cliff has arrived. No, because physically he's still got it. You know, you watch him run the football. He's still rumbling. like he's still ripping around. The ball security thing is a problem, but it's a fixable problem. Okay. Is it?

How's it a fixable problem? I think some of it, like when we were talking about false security. This was not a good look either, man. He blew a wheel trying to sit down on the bench. Those benches are weird, man. They have little heaters where you put your feet. They're slippery down there. It looks a little lower, too.

They should have mutant benches. Not normal benches for people that are eight feet tall. Oh, that's the problem. You're right. Who's your biggest surprise right now? Good or bad? Good? Got to be the Colts.

He's not of the 49ers? No, I'll tell you, the 49ers for me, and he was with me. My rookie year was Robert Salah, and then I played against his defenses in Sam Fran before he went to the Jets, obviously. He is, like, I think he might be the best defensive coordinator in the league, and guys' rallies. So I expected that team to be wildly well coached, and they've won three really tight games. You know, so I, again, am I shocked their 3-0-no? With Nick Bowsout, it's going to be much harder to keep this going.

But to take, you know, RIP Danny Dimes and transform this man into Indiana Jones, they've punted one time in three games. Yeah, yeah. They're speedbagging team. And I understand they haven't had the hardest schedule, but you would have put before the year, like you circle the Colts to also be one of those teams that would fall under, like, very weak. Dude, imagine, like, going back in time when Stuyke,

and said that we're going Danny Dimes and it's not just for one week like he's our guy and the outrage that we all had about that

to like proclaim that and now he looks like a genius in Indiana Jones right now it's three games I'm not going to overreact but right now he looks like a top 10 guy

what about Herbert sick you look sick that's my son's guy yeah yeah not my guy that's my son's now you'd expect that out of Herbert Indiana Jones

I mean yeah but kind of knows to show you and I think it was Kevin O'Connell it said this. And he's like, oftentimes in this league, an organization fails a quarterback before quarterback fails an organization. And, you know, you look at Danny Dimes, and it's like he got drafted to the Giants. You know, it's kind of like getting drafted to the Jets or getting drafted to the Browns. Prior to Matthew Stafford, it was getting drafted to the Lions. Yep. You know, it's Arnold and Baker, man. Yeah. Baker to the Browns is a prime

example. Baker is a top 10 guy in this league every day of the week. He's been incredible. And it's like the Browns had him. He won a playoff game for them against Pittsburgh Steelers, a division rival. And a year later, he had a mediocre season. It wasn't even a bad year. They're like, no, we want to Sean Watson. You know what it reminds me of? Like, if you relate it back to hockey, there's times where a goalie playing really well in the minors gets called up.

And first couple games, it's lights out. And then he's working with the different goalie coach, different routines, different philosophy, whatever. And you're like, eh, it fell off a little bit, right? And I think it's similar to a quarterback in that situation where you go to the Giants and it just, it doesn't, you know, it works for a bet, right? You sign your big ticket, but after a while you get immersed there, it falls off a cliff. Now you're somewhere else, different philosophy, different voice. All of a sudden, that talent that you had back out. Yeah, right?

Like, I find those two positions. There's some similarities in that regard. 1,000%. Again, it's, you get put in the right situation. Sam Darnold's another guy, you know. This guy was out of the league pretty much and has gone. from there to spends a year Kevin O'Connell is now paid. They're

two and one right now, and my boys are going to put a beat down tonight. A beat down tonight. A beat down tonight. I'm getting Matt Flynn vibes out of this. Oh, yeah. Matt Flynn was the same thing. He had one great week as a Packer. Seahawks gave him a fortune. Sam had one great week last year?

Yeah, he had more than that, but how did he finish? It was horrendous. I'm not denying that. But, yeah, we'll get to that game momentarily. But you're right. though. You're absolutely the right about quarterbacks. And that applies to everyone, man. Like, where you get drafted is a big part

of what your whole journey is going to look like. Totally. Like, you've got to be in the right spot. Unless you're just so spectacular. Like, nothing can stop you. Yeah, I mean, everyone's got talent who gets drafted. Like, when you got drafted, like, did you have an inkling of you knew where you were going or no? You had no idea.

If you would have asked me to rank the teams of who I would have went to, Seattle probably would have been 32 of 32. When I got called, it was like, tricked you. Like they had came in, they had came and worked out myself, Vince McDonald,

and another guy who was a tight end named Taylor Cook, who was a quarterback in Miami and transferred to rice and removed him a tight end. And Vance ended up being a second round pick. And the coach who came down there treated me like absolute trash that whole workout.

It was all over me, just ignorant lines. And I'm like, I remember call my agent afterwards being like, dude, that was the worst workout. Like, this guy had it out for me. There's no way. And he was like,

like really like what happened i'm like i don't know like honestly i showed up and he was just on me like i don't know what i did you were alexandro kirk running to first day and then on draft day when i got the call uh you know it's your gm then pete carroll comes on and then he comes on he's like tricked you man that's great yeah true story well it worked out well for you clearly i mean that obviously was a good one to pick no question in the end is seattle and you know you look at quarterbacking in desperate situations, and it's a perfect segue into Jackson Dart and the Giants. Yeah. Because this just screams dysfunction.

I'm glad you brought this up, because this is where my hand goes with this thing. I don't hate the idea of Jackson Dart starting. To me, it's a judgment on how mentally strong he is, and if you can handle failure. Because whether it's this week, which I think it will be, or down the road, he's a rookie quarterback, he's going to make mistakes. I always point to Peyton Manning. I believe Peyton Manning had 28 interceptions his rookie year. Certainly, we don't talk about Peyton Manning's rookie year very often. He's arguably one of the best guy to ever play.

There's debates on that. So I look at Peyton and I say, hey, he can handle it. There are certain guys that can handle failing in their rookie year. Is Jackson Dart one of them? I mean, time will tell. But where I get really bamboozled with this whole thing is, to me, Brian Dable is on the hottest hot seat. Now, I'm not in their front office, but you've got to think that

he's on the hot seat to some degree. You've got to think that he had some, you know, fingerprint on bringing Russ in. I think they're paying them $10 million, which I know is not a huge number for a quarterback, but it's still $10 million. And I wonder to myself,

does Daible really think that, and I think it doesn't matter if it's James or DART, they're going to lose the Chargers. But does DART really give him a better shot at upsetting than James Winston? That's why I think it's dysfunctional. Something is off

here. And here's the thing, like, Peyton's rookie season was horrendous, but they committed to him from day one. They said, you're starting. You're playing. You're our guy. And we're in it together, and we know it's going to be awful, and I think they went like 1 in 15 that year, and it was accepted. This is a panic

move. You're 0-and-3. Teams horrendous. The season's over. The Giants are done. And they know it. So why throw dart in now? as opposed to like I would have said, Russ, you're in or James Winston, we're not going to subject to this. We'll give you a start at the end

of the year so you get your feet wet. That's the play. Week 15, week 16, you're going to play. You're going to get an opportunity. Next year you're our guy. We show up at camp and you're our number one guy. This is just so desperate. It's what awful teams do. This is what awful organizations do. This screams,

I have to justify why I'm here because right now there's a pretty bad odor around Dable, based on what Danny Dimes is doing in Indianapolis. And so now makes it 20x worse. A million things. Exactly. Totally. And now if you're able, you probably look at it and say, we're terrible.

I'm not going to squeeze anything out of Russ. But if I could wrap my tentacles around this kid being a pleasant surprise, I probably have a job next year. And you know what? If it doesn't go well, who cares? You're gone anyways. That's time's up. That's where I read as well.

Is there any chance this kid comes in and is okay? And like you say, you're selling hope. You're going, hey, there's the future. Yeah, we're not making it. I doubt it with the cast of characters they have down there. Like, they got neighbors, and what else do the Giants have? Not much. Not much.

What are they have? I love this guy, and he's been fun to watch. But scataboo? Yeah. Scadaboo. He's a rookie. I mean, he's a fifth round running back rookie. It's not like you're rolling out Saquant, even though they let him walk.

Yeah. I'll tell you what scares me sometimes, and you guys will laugh at this. And I don't know if we can find this and put it up here. But Eli Manning did something the other day, talking about giving his cell phone to Jackson Dart. And he was like, hey, man, call me if you ever need anything. And he was like, Jackson called me and asked her a restaurant reservation in New York. And Eli was like, yeah, that's not.

That's not. Not what I was thinking. Can you hook me up at Nobu? Yeah, exactly. You got to hook up at Nobu or no. Any advice, no nothing. And like when I hear these things, as an ex-guy, I'm just like, oh my God. Like, this isn't good.

You know, when Eli gets that call from Jackson Dart, it should be like, hey, this isn't the old miss. This isn't the SEC. Like, can you help me explain how you would handle said defense or this defensive front or whatever? But let me ask you this. Like, you know, Russ, would Russ be the type of? a guy to reach out to this kid and offer that same lifeline that Eli offers? Like, hey man, you're a young kid? Like, I've been around

a long time. You ever knew anything? Let me know. Yeah, he would be. He would be. Even though they're competing for a job right now? Yeah, I mean, I remember... Makes it awkward. Again, but, dude, Russ is like one field. I get it, but Russ wants to play. Only one quarterback can play. Totally. But I do think Russ

I mean, I don't think Russ has kind of the like X and O knowledge that Eli would. Like, they play the game very differently. Russ more of a playmaker, scramble around. Eli's going to be a lot more analytical. But I don't think

Russ is the type of guy to, like, withhold information to try. I know he's not. Let's put it that way. There are people, like, I obviously being, I had a goalie partner, right? So, you know, I always felt, there was only one tandem in my whole career where I felt like

the guy had a voodoo doll of me on the bed. He wanted me to, like, fail. Get injured or lose or stink. Just staring lasers. Everyone else was, like, very supportive. So, if Russ is a good pro you're right he doesn't have to give him X's and O's but you can give

tricks to the trade you can be supportive you know Dart can look over and go this guy's there for me Russ has got a zillion dollars in the bank he's a bit at a great career he's done it all like why not hand some of that knowledge or support to a young kid it also helps Russ stick around

longer like if you like the NFL light and you don't want to be like away from the facility and doing something else teams will look at it and say you know what We got a young quarterback. Let's bring in Russ. Russ is great with young guys. But if he's not, no one's going to do that.

And once they've milked you for all your worth, that's it. You've got nothing else to offer. I'll tell you this, too, and Richard Sherman said this one year, and I was like, and now Sherman at this point was like the guy. He was like the premier corner in the league. But somebody asked him this question. He's like, I try and give the rookies and youngsters everything that I know. If they want to, you know, understand it all, I will be the first guy.

He was one. it's kind of like one of those things where when you teach something you get better at it you know you practice your reps he said but two straight up the better they are the more it's going to push me to be better the end of the day if this kid's better to me he deserves to play but i'm coming into training camp letting everybody know that nobody on this team is better at me the corner i don't care how much they know about playing corner and i remember being like the elite guys just know like in their head hey yeah you can know as much as i know but like you can't play like i play i'm still better yeah so that was something i remember when he

he said that to the team, I'm like, damn, must be nice. Sherman, he had a little bit of chip too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Ask Aaron Andrews about that. Well, I was just to say, is that the famous Aaron Andrews were screaming at her? After the Niners win.

After that win, I remember being in the locker. I mean, like, you don't know, right? Because you're not, we don't know what happened in the post-game interview. We're all celebrating. And then it was probably like 20 minutes later, everyone's like, yo, did you hear what you hear what you say? And like, Sherm's like, like, Sherm, what did you say? He's like, check it on,

but it's online. we're all like we're the last guys to find out we're celebrating the UFC championship that's the new world check it out it's trending on Twitter right now and he knows it

yes and to see like how angry he was in that moment and then to see like we're all celebrating like on the top of the world at this moment it's like so funny like when you know the guy and you know that he's not

like he's one of the most loved guys in the locker room and just like I remember like falling over in my locker. Like, you've got to be kidding me. That's amazing. Yeah, was that the championship? N.C. Championship when he was the tip against

Crabtree. Yeah, it was Crabtree. Yeah, it was Crabtree. Yeah, it's what you get. That's what you're going to get. Don't come at me with the receiver like Crabtree. I will say Andrews handled it unbelievable. Like, that was, you got a guy just yelling and

screaming. You got to keep that mic up. The one thing with that play that I always think about. And, like, you'd love to, you know, and people don't like talking about bad plays that often. But Shirm has said, and I think they've got a mic'd-up thing of him in this game, no one targeted him.

Like, in those years, you wouldn't, you'd come into games and they'd be like, hey, wherever Richard Sherman is. And he didn't travel. Right. We're not throwing in Shirm's direction. We played cover three, so he's going to be the deep guy. Maybe there's a slant or something underneath.

But you're not throwing 50-50 balls against Shirm. Right. Never. So, Sherm says on the bench, he's like, I think they're going to try me. Like, I think he hadn't been targeted all game. He's like, I'm telling you, they're going to come after me. Imagine, like, Kaepernick being down there. They're down four, whatever it was.

They're driving the field. They're at R20. And I think it was, I don't quote me on this, but I think it was second down. Like, it wasn't fourth and ten. And being like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to take a shot at Sherrard. Like, you know, hey, trip to the Super Bowl's on the line. Like, I'm going to take a shot at Dionne Sanders.

That's the best play for me here. Oh, I got Sherman over there one-on-one. Yeah. And, like, so I know, obviously, not everyone loved the interview. But in my head, I'm like, he's not wrong. Like, if you're going to, when the game is on the line, if you're going to take a one-on-one shot when he's got a deep third against Richard Sherman, whether it's Crabtree or anyone. That's a bold strategy.

It's a bold strategy. Who's talking about you? They're talking about it. He let everybody know. Yes, he did. Like after that. Immediately. And there would have been like 40 million people watching that.

More than that. Probably more. For the championship game, it might have been 50 million people. That's the result you're going to get. He got it. Did you ever cross-pass with Sean Alexander when you were in Seattle? I'm sure you met him. Yes.

Yes, obviously not as a teammate. But he'd be around here and there, kind of legendary guy. 14th kid I saw that. I guess he announced he and his wife expecting their 14th child today. How old is he? I'd be 50 now Like he won the MVP in 06 But that was 19 years ago

He was probably 27, 28 14 Yeah 14 14 Oh John man That guy that guy's an MVP as a running back That is Like that guy was a beast

Beast beast I'll tell you what Beyond I don't know 48 So the kid stuff is like You know I'm 14 behind him right now Yeah you're chasing him down

You're down two touchdown Correct But what is fun about him walking around is a lot of times we'd see these old heads come back and they'd be like really disheveled. You're like, whoa, is that like my future? Like struggling to walk, especially guys get beat up. He'd show up and it was like, man, he looks pretty young and spry

and he must be pretty young and spry if he's got another kid on the way. You know, walk in, didn't have like a limp, didn't have any like glaring injuries you could see while he was in his plain clothes. I was like, there is hope for us. My wife and I were up for four hours last night. Yeah. And you got 14 kids? Do you, like, how do you sleep? Do you imagine this guy's daycare

bill? Like, it must be absurd. He's probably, he's not, he's got it covered. I'm sure he's not worried about it. Honestly, God, so right now, guaranteed like, Netflix or somebody is driving to his house and say, we got to do We got cameras on you, man. We've got to do a special on this. No, that's a show. I'll tell you this.

It's a show. No, that's not like a one hour feature. That's like a season-by-season 10. I'll tell you this. So, for the hockey guys here, okay? That would take, you want the soap opera of the NHL, you guys aren't really known for baby mamas, you know? The NFL is. Like, you ever play with a guy that had four kids from three different women? No. I never did. No. I mean, there's, I'd say that I did. There's six of them in every locker room.

The NFL's a different piece. It's a different piece. It's a different piece. You know, it's like, you know, Stefan Diggs is going through it right now. Of course. Like Diggs and Cardi B. We always talking about Tyreeks. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Was it Diggs the other day? I saw, again, on Instagram. Allegedly, I think you said, Diggs of dating Cardi B? Yeah, she's pregnant. She's on there. But there was an ex-wife on the hood of somebody's SUV. Yes, yes. And he's trying to pull out of the driveway, and she's screaming at him.

Oh, yeah. So Cardi B's not with the rapper anymore? No, no, no. Cardi B was on Caller Daddy podcast with the Diggs jersey on the day. She's pregnant with Diggs. And I think Diggs might have two other. going, I don't know, man. Listen, it's a lot of stuff going.

We've all played with guys who live their lives off the field, off the ice, all of that type of stuff. But that is just, you know, it's another level. Regardless of what sport, 14 children, if it's with one wife or seven, it doesn't, like, it's a lot of people. Like, noodles, I'm telling you.

I couldn't have it. Hockey guys got to step it up, man. Well, one of the all-time, one of the all-time great hard-knocks moments was Antonio Carmari trying to name all his kids. Yeah. He's like Gary DeLary? Philip Rivers? Philip Rivers has got, he's got it.

He's got an army. Yeah, he's double digits. He needs like, he's got like a sprinter van for sure. For sure. He loves it, man. He loves it, man. He loves it. Here's the game tonight. Battle the NFC West.

Cardinals at home against the Seahawks, Cardinals are plus one and a half. The Seahawks are laying one and a half on a road tonight. Hawks all day. You're on the Hawks. You're laying the points? Beyond the, again, Pete Carroll's my guy. I don't have that many guys left in Seattle.

I would take this whether it was in Seahawks or not you know, Conner's out for the year. James Conner out for... Is he out for the year? Maybe that's what I thought. Yeah, I know he's out tonight. The Achilles. Yeah, you're right. Yep, he's done. So it's like, Conner's out for the year.

Kyler Murray has not played well this year. Like he's not been... Marvin Harrison has struggled at times. The Seahawks defense is very, very good. You know, they had a shot to B3 and O. They slipped up, had that fumble late in game against San Fran. I don't, like, the run game's coming to life a little bit.

I mean, it's a divisional game. Wacky things happen in Arizona all the time. But I got to take, I got to take one and a half. I got to take Seattle. Okay. Yeah, I think that's probably the right. I think it's a low-scoring game, though, tonight. Could be.

Yeah, I think Cardinals, like, they're two and one. Like, they're trying to build something. Yeah. I don't know if they're going to get there. The vision is tight, too. Like, tighter than we would have thought, I think. Absolutely. No one's two-in-in-law.

Yeah. Ners are three-in-R. Rams are a good team. Yeah, it's a big game, man. It's a big, big game. Totally. Big implications. Big implications.

Retake the lead. All right. The Dynasty. We rope it, though. Early in the year. This is Parsi's picked, by the way. Partsie, he called me today. He's like, you better take the C-offs.

Okay. Well, he's going to be back tomorrow, so he's going to, one way or the other. If this doesn't him, we're blaming, we're blaming O-Dod. I haven't heard. I have no idea where he is. He's on a cruise? He's on a flotilla somewhere. I don't know what he's doing.

What is a flotilla? It's like a, it's like a man. Handmaid ship. Like a party barge type of thing? Yeah, kind of. Like, I wouldn't necessarily say that. But he might be on a party barge. Party barge is probably a better way to describe what he's doing right now.

There's a lot of rumors on the deep dark web that there's a mutiny coming. Yeah? I've been told that from, I can't. And Al's brother's going to turn on me? Yeah, that's what I've been told. Was it a couple years ago? You put him on waivers. Yeah.

Yeah. You send him down for like two weeks. We're four, four and one. Yeah. And we got greased by a doogie half point that was not a half point anywhere else. changed it just before you were about to announce. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. All right. Good seeing you.

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