OverDrive - Willson on MNF picks, doing team-bonding in the NFL, and his concern with the Packers

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

TSN Football Analyst Luke Willson on MNF picks, doing team-bonding in the NFL, and his concern with the Packers.

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Play video games, right? Probably play video games. Yes, Call of Duty or whatever. Call of Muscoca. I don't know. Owen Wilson is cooking. Wow. That's an entrance.

There is. How about that? Cutting everybody off. Talking Muskoka, man. What about, I was just going to say, though, in the NFL, did they have team bonding trips and stuff? Because we did, when I was playing the NHL, like, we had lots of team bonding trips, you know, rookie dinners, all of that.

The NFL before the season, Luke, is there a team bonding trip with like all 60 guys or what? Absolutely not, noodles. I mean, you're asking for mass, mass arrest. I was just like a big problem. You're asking for, you do that. Nothing good is coming from that trip. I was listening in. You guys said, oh, they go golf and something like that.

We're not going golfing. No, the boys aren't going golfing. The boys are up to no good. Yeah, and then the team's responsible. because it was their idea to have the team bonding. Yeah, I remember one year we did an end-of-the-year party, and I mean, I'm not going to share too many details. I'd say there was probably 40 guys there.

It was in a nightclub. It was like a Tuesday night as well, and I remember looking around being like the amount of illegal activities that are occurring in this small area. Yeah, yeah, it was something. Yeah, there's cameras and stuff like that that you can, not like that's the biggest thing like all these these clubs and that have multiple camera angles and that people getting up to no good like it's it gets out

pretty quick as well yeah yeah totally even uh even if it's not a club thing and we you know i have been in uh 11 in miami where a teammate of mine was uh blackmailed in the in the club no way yeah yeah that's just really interesting yeah didn't go so well for the guy trying to do the blackmailing well that's probably security guy like i got you doing something You can pay me cash. Yeah. Yeah, that's disappointing to hear. But hey, I guess you've got to watch yourself, man.

It's a different era, right? The hockey guys up in Moscow. What are they going to do up there? Go golfing? I don't know. It's just, it's been a, the Leafs have done it forever. Like 30, at least 25 years now, 20, 25, 30 years. They've been doing it.

And they just, when they get a little break in the camp, they'll skate. Like, they'll bring their stuff up and skate. But they stay at some resort. And they all kind of get together. It's weird because the coaches. are around, the GM's around. Yeah, I'll tell you, the closest thing we did to team bonding in Seattle, which was

unbelievable, but Pete had this thing, and he's been doing it for years. He's been doing it for years. Apparently, he started at USC, but he'd come in, like, let's say we have a new guy, like a big free agent signing in the middle of the year, and he'd say something like, you know, why we win these tight games is, from all

the stories that people tell up here about their upbringing and things, the trauma that's happened to them. And he would make up, like, the most heinous thing that didn't actually happen. Remember when Luke got up here and told this story, and I can't say exactly, because it was always one of the examples was me.

It didn't actually happen to me, like wildly offside. And then he'd go on and on. The most PG one was he would claim, like, someone's dog died. You know, that was the most PG one. And he was like, oh, and these things were so messed up. And then he'd

call up like, no, Brian, hey, he's got up here and tell your story. And we'd all be like, Safe place, safe place, you know, tell your story. And the moment you said, like, my name's Brian Hayes, Pete would scream with profanity like, shut your, we don't give a damn about your story. Everybody's got a story, and we all throw stuff at the guy.

Yeah. Like, dude, this is the NFL. No one cares about your story. Right. But he did get Dale Earnhardt, Jr. once, and that was probably the highlight of that. Dale was in for, like, you know, he'll bring celebs in. Yeah.

Yeah. He punked Dale Earnhardt Jr., and we were all like, that's the mecca. So Dale Earnhardt was going to tell you his story. Yeah, and as soon as he said, like, well, everyone knows what his story was going to be. Yeah, Pete cut him off, and we all went nuts and told him to sit down. That's pretty wild because everyone knows Dale Hurnt, like, we know what his story was going to be, like, more than likely.

The crazy one was the year before I got there, Terrell Owens apparently went up there. And then after they booed him and told him to sit down, he was like, no, I'm not sitting down. I want to tell you guys. I'm telling you everything. That's trouble. See, I was like, you guys are going to listen to this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah.

Different sport. I guess everyone's got a different kind of routine, right? Yeah, different sport. Bigger locker room, too. And a more split locker room. Totally. Like offense and defense is so, it's just a different mentality. Totally, totally.

So different sport, different mentality, like you said. And there's more of a hierarchy. Like not that there aren't superstars in the NHL or NBA, but like a quarterback is so different than everyone else. You're not. Yeah, you're not. Like, he's just so different than everyone else. And the kicker.

That's the two different ends of the spectrum. You're right, noodles. The kicker, the other end is the kicker. The other one that I always giggled at, and like, I don't know if the, I don't even know what the correct term is. Is it long snapper or deep snapper? I don't know. But, like, you sit there and you're like, what is this guy's job? Like, how does this guy have a job here?

It's a luck. And he just snaps a ball. Like, we can't get one of these other guys to do that? Yeah. I guess you're right. I mean, you would think, like, why can't the center? do that. But what's the long snap? Like, did they make

big money? Like, who would be the most expensive long snapper in the league? I don't know, but I bet the most expensive guy would be like a couple shmell. I don't know the answer to that, though, noodles. Well, there's a minimum in the league that everyone's got to make, right? Like, at a minimum the guy's making whatever, a million dollars

or whatever it is. Yeah, I'm guessing, you know, two, three shmell would be the long snapper, man. Pretty good. I, you know what, Luke, I got to ask you, what the hell's going on with these ties? Like, what are we dealing with here? This Dallas, you know. Oh, I thought you were talking about my tie.

I'm like, I don't know. Your tie's fine. It is a good-looking tie. I'm talking about watching a 40-40 tie. I was infuriated watching the end of that game. You were. There was no urgency from Green Bay. Yeah.

I can't believe that we didn't cover. Well, I know that. Yes. But Green Bay, like after they threw away the 13-0 lead, what was frustrating was, go out and get Parsons. Their defense looks so good through two weeks. They look good in Cleveland. They could not stop anyone in the second half.

Hayes, you said it. I couldn't get over. I knew that Dallas's offense. Dallas's offense is good. But no CD-Lam and the run game is still somewhat. So, so. Javonte's been good this year. Without CD-Lam, I'm like this is, you know, the Packers' defensive unit is supposed to be elite.

Dominated Detroit, week one. You know, did very well against the commanders. going to week three and it's like what do we like what do we sorry week three was the Browns

and then week four it's like oh my God yeah we couldn't stop anybody no could not stop anyone and credit to yeah

Dak Prescott like Dak made some throws but 40 points I know it's brutal this is what scares me with the pack right now

is like after week two we got offensive lineman being like yeah we might go undefeated stupid and I'm going to go back to last year where it's like they lost six games, two to Minnesota, two to Detroit, one to the

Super Bowl championship winning team, Philadelphia Eagles, and then the last game of the year that meant nothing, they lost to Chicago. So the whole narrative was like, we got to win the big one, we got to win the big one, we got to win, you know, beat the teams that matter. Well, they do it this year, and now you come out and against Cleveland and Dallas, you're one loss and a tie, he might as well lost in Detroit. Yeah, no, exactly. And now they're going to a bye week, which I don't love that it's this early in the season. Now, maybe it helps Micah Parsons get healthy and get prepared,

and maybe he comes out guns of blaze in week six. Can I go back to something you said too? Like, Jordan Love, I'm sitting there watching it. And before the last play, which we'll get to, I'm like, you are a Super Bowl contending team. These games early matter. I have played a, I have played Green Bay in the playoffs twice, once in Seattle, once in Lambo. Let me tell you something, Hayes.

Playing in Seattle was much nicer. No one wants to go to Lambo in January. That's not a thing that anyone wants to do. Right. You need to beat Dallas. Right, for time rate purposes and all that, yes. I'm watching it and I'm like, there's three minutes left and I'm like, dude, they only have one time out. Like, why are they so nonchalant?

And then all of a sudden it's under two. And I'm like, yo, we. need to score and win. Who do you blame more for that? Is it love or Lefleur? Both. I know, like, I'm not trying to get a cop out. It's 50-50, but it's like Lefleur should be like, hey, like, it is now a battle against the clock.

We cannot, you know, we do not want to tie this game. We need to win. Okay, love, like, let's get going. And then we're watching it now. The last play was That's insane that he snapped that ball. I could not believe he snapped the ball. I was laughing because

the way he was lining up, I was like, they're going to kill it and play for the tie. You know, just spike it into the ground. I blame Jordan Love in that situation. More than Lefleur has to take a lot of heat, but like when you're in a hurry up offense that was not hurrying anywhere. At all. That's on the quarterback.

Yes, you're not a kid anymore. I agree. Like he gets this, this reputation that he's still young. For starters, he backed up Rogers for years. Yes. He's been in the league watching the NFL for a long time.

You have to understand the urgency of the moment. He wasn't, he wasn't forcing. anyone to move. That's on him. It's like, again, the saying I always went by was be quick, but don't hurry. You don't want to be frantic, we're out of control. But, like, the end of the game there for me, okay, first off, I thought that the checkdown he threw before the last play there was the stupidest thing on planet Earth.

Absolutely. Throw it into the ground so that the clock soaps. We don't need three extra yards right now. Throw it into the ground. Like, have some awareness of what's going on. You're out of timeouts. We can't do this. Okay, then at that point, so you throw the check down, it's in bed.

downs. Like, I'm going to go back to my, like, playing days. Even as a guy who's not calling shots, I'm not playing quarterback, you're now Trips all goes or double all goes. So, like, for us, that would have been, not to get the football linguistics here, but Trips all goes was dancer. Double was Aggie. That's what we called it. And the AG stood for all go. So it's like, literally, you got to be, hey, get back, double right, double right, Aggie, Aggie, Aggie, you snap that ball and you throw an absolute seed outside. Okay? Yeah. Outside all day. Again, and you look at Dobbs here on the top, that's the ball,

except Dobbs can't, like, jog off the ball. He's got to go, and we've got to take a quick shot, so we have three seconds, not one. They got so lucky. They got incredibly lucky they even tied the game. They were playing for a tie, the complete lack of urgency. I couldn't get over it. And this is what scares him of Green Bay,

because I do believe that the roster is good enough that they can compete. You know, they're in the conversation. But when you come out here and you do things like that, Granted, it's early. It's like, what's going to happen if you're playing Philly in the NFC championship game? Because it's most likely going to be a one-possession game where you're going to need to know situational ball.

What about the next time you play Detroit, in Detroit, for the division? Yeah. I guess there won't be a tie in the playoffs. There's the one-up side, but who's doing the fawning? The Packers' frogs. Seems unnecessary. I'm staring. It's a little aggressive.

Yeah, 2-1-1-1. 2-1-1 and, you know. Play-off team last year. You think we were talking about Miami or something. I'm staring at that. How about the Cowboys being frauds? Like, it felt like Jerry Jones was so happy last night and his team tied too.

He should be. Why? They tied. They're one two and one. They still stink. They can't stop anyone defensively. With the amount of garbage this man, and rightfully so has had to shovel. Right. Because of the Micah Parsons thing. The guy was a ghost last night. He made a couple plays.

He did not do anything last night. The sack was like... That was a bogus sack. Correct. And he was still getting stopped. Like, Colonsworth was like, Prescott's home free. No, he wasn't. He was getting stopped before he got to the end zone.

Totally. So it's like, okay, and when you pay a guy the amount of money he's being paid. In a moment like that, you're going back to Dallas. I thought he'd be great last night. He did nothing but this tackle. But he was getting stopped. Cooper was going to get to him. Totally, totally, totally.

And again, it's not, it's a great play there. But I'm like your defense just gave up 40 points. to a seedy lamb-liss cowboys. Like, I think Jerry's probably at home giggling right now. I think so. Again, one, two, and one. He probably is, but without any self-awareness, that his team still isn't doing anything.

Jerry's not a self-aware, man. He's got no idea what's... That's one thing I wouldn't describe him as. Are the Ravens finished? Yes. I think they are, too. Here it is. Hayes, so I'm not a guy that loves to click the panic button.

I mean, you heard me after O and 2, Kansas City. And to their credit, they've looked pretty good. They've looked very good. They looked very good. And in noodles, I'm sitting here and I'm looking at it. And I think they play, correct me from wrong, I think they play the Texans and the Rams the next two games. Yes, Texans for sure next two.

No, the Texans' offense is awful, but defensively. So you're going to roll in with Cooper Rush playing. Matabuque is out for the year. Right. That's their best defensive player. I'll have to see, but Roquan Smith, Marlon Humphreys, Nate Wiggins, all potentially out. like though i mean

Nate Wiggins is probably their best cover guy like Humphreys is obviously starter Roquan Smith is 1A 1B with Manapuque for best you know player on that defense and now Lamar is out if you go to 1 in 5 because the Rams the Rams should

be undefeated right now right they had the stupid kicker issue right against the Eagles Philly yep yeah even when Lamar comes back I understand hey you know Lamar is unbelievable one of the best players in the league.

But you need 10 wins to get to playoffs in the NFC, in my opinion. So that means you're going to have to go 9 and 2 the rest of the way out. Seems very unlikely. I'm looking at it yesterday. And again, it's not that I had the Ravens going to the Super Bowl

beginning of the year, so Raven fans don't kill me. But you want to talk about decimated by injuries. Ronnie Staley, I don't know how hurt he is, but he left the game yesterday. I'm like, looking at it. thing, and I'm just beside myself. I'm like, every position has basically

got dinged up. Well, and what I find amazing about that is who's done it to them. Detroit did it last week and Kansas City did it this week. Yeah. Like, beat them up. Beat them up. On the line of scrimmage, literally, figuratively, like, that's what would scare me if I'm Harbaugh's.

I'm watching my team get literally manhandled. The run game has not looked great. No. I mean, again, the three losses are against very good teams, obviously. But that's going to be your sked. Like they were, you know, they've got a tough schedule. I don't know.

This defense, I'm guessing, I haven't seen, haven't combed through everything yet for this week and we'll see on the Monday Niders. But I'm guessing is now, I think they were coming into it, probably the statistically worst ranked defense in the NFL. And they certainly didn't help themselves yesterday. And now all of a sudden we're missing even more guys. Yeah, it's trouble, man.

Any update on Lamar or no? No, I mean, Harbaugh was kind of cryptic, basically saying, you know, if I know Lamar, if he could have played, he would have played, which kind of indicated to me, he's, he's probably, like, they got to buy in two weeks, so I'll bet she doesn't play the next two weeks. There's no, if it's a true hamstring, there's no way. And I'm not a doctor. I'm not here.

But you don't, the other thing that is the kiss of death with hamstrings is they're very, very likely to reoccur if it's not 100%. And the second hamstring pull is the one that now becomes a five, six week. deal. And by the way, when you're running back, now you're not as fast. So if the Ravens have brain cells, if he's actually got a legit hamstring. Fit him for the next three weeks.

There's no way he's playing the next week. Well, and then they come back, bears, dolphins, Vikings, Browns, jets, bengals. Like, they actually can run off wins post-by if he's healthy. I agree. I agree with all that. I'm just saying, you cannot, if they don't at least split the next two, you cannot slip up. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

then you've got to a point you've got to be perfect. It's got to be the rest of the way. And defensively, they're trash. Yeah, right now they are. They're awful. Speaking of awful. Speaking of perfect. Speaking of perfect.

You guys almost had the worst weekend of all time. Are you nuts? Dude, we were on fire. There's Alice Brother. One of the great picks of all time was Kansas City over Baltimore. That was the biggest job. Everyone was on Baltimore. Just like Baltimore Bills.

Right, Alice Brother? When we get thrown a curveball, we launch it like Alejandro Kirk. Good to see you, buddy. Al's brother Kirk. Al's brother Kirk. My guy? You and your guy Al Kirk Kirk. I love Al Kirk, DiStefano.

How's everything going, buddy? Good. Good. Good. It was a great weekend. Be honest, boys, when we were plus three. Not nervous at any point. No.

We're the Cleveland Guardians. Oh, great. It got to the point where I'm like, I did feel like KC, especially with Worley back. this is going to be a tough one. And worthy look good, too. Really look great. But I'm sitting there and I'm like, if the Ravens cover this. Packers and my head, I was like, the Packers are rolling

with that. I thought too. I'm like, we're going to be plus five and we might as well call it. Like, if we were a sweep tonight, which we will, if we get to plus seven seasons over, we might as well restart. Well, remember last year. We were up by like 11 games at one point last year. We came back and won. And it swung big. At one point, we were up

nine or ten. It was like a 20 point. Yeah, it was crazy. I will say the pressure is on. you too, though. Like, they didn't have... I don't think so. Yeah, pressure is on. Well, we've got a bad pick on the Vikings Steelers. Steelers are three and one and like drive, like, there's a driver's seat of the FC North, those, brother. By a lot. They are. They are. By a lot. Rogers looks pretty good. They're going to win that division with this Ravens news. Yeah. The thing is like, the Vikings, they were in it right up until the very end,

though. And we talked about that when we decided to go to the Vikings, as long as Wenz doesn't have that mistake at the end of the game, you're right. Throw that game-sealing pick will be okay. And it seemed like that so it was going to happen. Yeah, as long as the sky's not blue. What's the matter with you guys? You know what, Hayes, you should know better going against Aaron. He's got his mojo back.

You're right. And betting on Carson Wentz in the domestic United States is dangerous. Betting on him across the pond is crazy. I'll tell you when you know of Aaron's rolling is when he starts doing all his goofy stuff. Like, did you see the one during the tush push they did where he like. Oh, yeah. When he starts doing the points and stuff like that, he's in his back. He's feeling it.

Yeah, so, yeah, when he's smacking the defensive players and he's like, hey, good rush. He had the fumble, which almost was catastrophic in his own lineman picked it up. He was giggling out. Totally fine. I couldn't believe it, but I was looking at the line, thinking that it'd be close to a pick-um, if not the Steelers, leading the betting odds for that division on Fanduel. The Ravens are still, like, minus 200 doing that division. Really?

They're one and three. they're down two games and they're somehow still minus 200 favorites like 190 or something well that's that's because obviously burrows out no one trusts the Browns

the Browns aren't going to win but the Steelers you're right the Steelers it's like plus 270 that's great value for a team that's already up two games I think it again it's probably the concern like what if Rogers gets hurt what if he slows down

Rogers gets hurt it's not that team is in troubles trouble but Tomlin does it every single year he guarantees you nine wins basically he guarantees you that I'll tell you this, too, the defense that started and looked like the old defense with some, like... They've got some old guys on the outside, but... Yeah, they've always been, like, we give up some yards, but all of a sudden, T.J. Watt makes a sick play, and it's a turnover, or they get one?

And I'm like, uh-oh, Steelers got a couple big turnovers in that game. You guys lost a spread. I was thrilled. Okay. Gross and Wentz to those three interceptions. All right, Alisbrother, where are we at here? We are on the Battle of the AFC East. Dolphins. Jets. Jets still getting two and a half. I think it's dolphins laying two and a half.

Which we need to check that because I've seen some threes out there. It was looking close. I would like to know what it is right now. Locking that in, Ryan is seeing two and a half. All right. Ryan is falling it right now. He's a man of integrity. I could see Ryan to the tinted thing. He's not. Look at him. He's giggling over there. Yeah, Ryan's jamming. Ryan knows he's jamming us. No, that's fine. He's jamming me. I wanted it to get to three. Because I think I want to take the points regardless. And I would have loved to be at three as opposed to at two and a half.

Because I think the Jets, realistically, both these teams stink. And in a game where you have two bad squads, typically, you'll want to take the points. But you got the Jets coming in here, and they can run the ball pretty effectively. The Dolphins' defense has been horrible. They've got up 30 points in every single game. The Fins are frauds. Fins are fraud. Take the Jets.

We are taking the Jets. We are taking the Jets. I'm laying the points on the Jets. Lock in the Jets. The dolphins are terrible. And the Jets are good? The Jets, no, but you give me a line where I can get points and stay away from the dolphins. I'm doing that 10 times out of 10.

The defense is terrible. They're dead last. Let me ask you this. Dead last. Didn't you guys think that the dolphins weren't going to cover against the bills? A different situation. The fins are dummying you boys. Different situation.

This is a double all day. This is a double. They've allowed 145 rush yards per game so far on the ground. Dude, they'll, Breeze Hall is going to run, run his ass off. And Justin Fields. Justin Fields is going to run for 100 tonight. We'll see, boys. Aaron Glenn gets his first win tonight.

That's the thing. It's an Aaron Glenn moment. It's a big one for him, right? He's down in South Beach. He loves South Beach. He's probably at 11, probably getting, he's probably in blackmail. Probably getting blackmail. Exactly.

And he's fighting back and he's ready for Monday night football. And then he'll get the Mac of Chuck treatment. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's precisely what he's going to get. You get points in a game like this. It's not that deep. It's a pretty shallow analysis.

The dolphins stink. They both stink. Give us the points. I think the fins are frauds. Fins are fraud. That's it. Absolutely. All right, you guys are on Broncos,

Bengals, still minus seven and a half. Broncos laying seven and a half. What a greasy little line. That hook is tough. It's really greasy. That hook is so tough. Ronin can sling it, and he loves the Rockies. Yeah.

That's what I've heard. read that this morning. Boys, I'm going Bengals all day. You're taking a point. Yeah, you're not. Let's go. Oh, my God. You are an idiot.

You are an idiot. Explain yourself. I love the Broncos tonight. Oh, no. Dude, first of all, Bo Nix has been very, very suspect. Average. Average of best.

He breaks out tonight, just like Aaron Glenn. Browning, last time he was called to play, he was a completely functional, adequate QB. He goes in a against the most complex defense Minnesota. Brian Flores got

guys moving all around there. I mean... Sean Payton's going to bring that tonight. No, he's not. They don't have that style of defense. They can muster it up for this cat. I'm telling you, seven and a half points on prime time. You don't think Jamar T. Higgins,

these guys are going to be able to figure... As long as we don't get too confused, Browning's a winner, he's got some record. He's like one a million games in high school, college. You dub, go dogs. This guy's... He's completely fine. He's going to find a way to keep this within seven points. No. When you define

a quarterback. I'm not giving up seven and a half points to Bo NICs. It's a big number and they have to win tonight because they're one and two and you look at the Chargers, you look at the Chiefs. And you look at the rate, you don't think the Bengals are like, man. No. Bengals are done. The Ravens are done. Bengals are sunk. Oh, yeah. That season is so sunk. The Bengals, oh for sure. Their defense is horrendous.

Absolutely horrendous. Really, really. You're concerned. I'm a terrible issue? I'm concerned. I thought you were going to go with Denver, but I mean, you know, the Bengals. I agree with the noodles. It's a big number, though. So it is.

Seven and a half. It's a big spread, man. It's a big. Six and a half. I might consider it. Seven and a half? I think Jamar Chase loses his mind tonight when he's quite open and doesn't get touches.

Well, I don't think he's going to have a chance to break off his route. I mean, that defense is going to be in the back field with him a second and a half. No, Denver's got the number one defense in terms of pressure rate this year, taking on the worst. the worst offensive line football. Jay Browning went, 0.8 seconds. Two weeks ago, this team didn't have Indiana Jones punt.

Indiana Jones strolled in against this Denver defense and didn't even have to punt. That was a Ropa dope on turf. Roba dope. That's a good offense right there. Jake Browning, not a good offense. We'll see about that.

I was in a dome. This is open air. That's right. Completely different. Seven and a half points, boys. Seven and a half points. Yeah, you guys run a bengos. Everyone's taking the points.

The dogs are barking tonight. apparently I can't wait for Tua to hook up with like waddle and then Hill and I'm just going to be electric in the group chat This is the end tonight for Tua and the whole crew I was brother great seeing you great picks great analysis You think there's a chance that if they lose tonight the Miami Dolphins lose That could be it for Mike McDaniel

I think after the performance I had against the bills Which was you know pretty respectful They stayed in it considering they need to come out in win this game tonight Against the Jets, yeah. Or else he's probably caught. Yeah, I think so too. And I think he knows it. Just another reason that I'm pretty thrilled that I'm on that line, two and a half.

Aaron Glenn. I thought they quit on him in the summer. All right, boys. Good stuff. We'll catch you in the group chat tonight. There's Al's brother. Seasoned gamer or just video game curious. This week in gaming is the podcast for you.

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