OverDrive - Willson on Rivers' return to the Colts, Hurts' down season and the TNF matchup

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

TSN NFL Analyst Luke Willson joined OverDrive to discuss the headlines around Week 15 in the NFL, Philip Rivers playing with the Colts, Jalen Hurts in a downward season, the Bills and Patriots' matchup, the Packers and Broncos' battle and more.

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It just hasn't been a good year for him. Not on this show. I mean, we love having him. He's a loser. Unfortunately, it hasn't gone well. And HBO, we just pick winners. That's how we roll. And there's a new hashtag called hashtag.

Now we bro. Now we bro. Look at that record for now we bro. 25, 17 and 1. And we're just going to keep getting better. The playoffs, that's where we really thrive, right? That's what it's really coming down to. And tonight we got Falcons and Bucks.

Big game this weekend. Packers at Broncos, huge. Huge. Dude, what happened to the Bucks and Baker? Like, that guy was an MVP fave at the beginning of the season. They've completely fallen off. off. They've had a lot of injury problems, a lot of injury problems that their defense can't get stops. And I don't know, man. I don't know what else to tell you. Like Baker just can't, he hasn't

been able to overcome it, get it done. And now you look at it, it's them, Carolina. That Carolina could make the playoffs, which would be crazy. And they're going to get a home playoff date. But you've got that game tonight, you got bills at New England this weekend, which is a huge game. Again, Packers, Broncos, and, yeah, we'll see what comes of it. We'll get to Luke in just a moment. Least Sharks tonight and a bunch of games in the NHL tonight, including Florida in Colorado.

I'm curious to see how that plays out. They won last night. I think they were in Utah last night. But Colorado coming off a road trip and the champs are in town. I know they're depleted and beaten up. But tracking this division, the Atlantic Division every night, it's changes every single day. If I gave you guys Colorado or the field to win the cup, Colorado all day long.

I don't think he's right. I'd go field, I think. Those are Dallas. Those goalies still scare me in the playoffs. Or the one thing, I would have been a heavy favorite on Colorado. I was kind of a heavy favorite on Colorado last year. But guess who they met in the playoffs?

The Dallas stars in the first round. Dallas is going to be a tough beat. Now, that's not going to happen this year. You know, assuming one of them doesn't fall off or Minnesota doesn't take off and catch them, You've got to believe Colorado wins the division. I probably wouldn't have myself. What the noodles, son, is cooking.

I probably wouldn't have cut myself off there for this type of activity. I was about to make a point. If you were plus 14, I'd accept it, and I'd understand it and expect it. When you're down 14, you probably let the guy finish his thought before you cut him off. But it's all good. Good to see you, Luke. How are you doing? Below average. That's not going so well for you? No. No, it's

not. Tough day. Tough day and we're down 14. Yeah, it's trouble man, because you've been awfully quiet on that group chat too. That's what hurts. Yeah, you just crawled into the basement and you I don't want to hear anything out of you, Mr. Floating Bag. It's got to be disappointing to be in the same room as this guy,

isn't it? Like the two of you were so close, he had such a connection. You have to admit I've had some positive... Oh, you've been a huge positive for us. Exactly. What happened? Why couldn't you channel that kind of energy that applied to picking winners this year. I'm not sure, man. I'm not sure. Tough times.

What a game you got tonight, too. It's just a brutal football game. Yeah, I mean, there's only one honest football, right? The line's up to five and a half, I think, is it five and a half on the band-door. The way things are going now, Tampa will probably win by five. Right. Yeah, 100%. But, like, there's no way I can pick Kirk Cousins on a short week.

I mean, the buck's got everybody back. Well, what's happened at Tampa? Well, this is what I'll say, first off, is now, Bucky Irving's been back, but it's like the defense is not an elite unit. I think Vita Vaya's elite, but outside of that, you know, it's not an elite unit. And then you look at offensively, like you lose Mike Evans for a large part of the year. You lose Bucky Irving for a large part of the year.

And Chris Godwin has missed most of the year as well. And because Baker is who he is, we all are kind of like, what's going on? And I'm like, well, you know, if the Lions lost Alman Ross St. Brown and Jemir Gibbs, you know, and granted, Jumir and Gibbs, I think, is obviously better than Bucky Irving. But it's like, what do you want Baker to do? Like, his main receiver's hurt. His second guy's hurt. Their third guy has been great, but it's a rookie.

Like, there's a learning curve with that. And you're down to your second and third string running backs. Yet they can still win the division. Because their division's due to. Awful, horrendous. The NOSY South is abysmal. Terrible. Yeah.

I mean, Carolina getting in would be a shock to the system. It would be tough. It's shocking if they found a way to win. It's tough for me to... I don't really like being around O'Dog now, man. Just weird vibes between you two, man. I always saw you two together, right, Jonas? Yeah.

Really too bad, man. It's like a bad breakup. We're stuck between these two guys. I'll tell you what, it's really a feeling of going from the outhouse to the penthouse because I feel like a champion right now. So you instigated, although he put you on waivers, but you're happy with the divorce. Like you, you dusted yourself off, got a better partner pretty quickly,

now you're taking flights around the world. I just feel like part of the team, that's all. Wow, the energy is, it's palpable in here, isn't it, Jonas? I'm trying to think of a quarterback situation where a guy leaves a team and then he goes somewhere. Sam Darnold? Is he like Sam Darnold over here? So he's J.J. McCarthy?

That actually is a pretty good analogy. Wow, really? Last week I was the Can City Chief. now I'm J.J. McCarthy. That's tough. How did they not just, why didn't they want to keep Sam Donald around and find out if J.J. McCarthy was the real deal or not? Like, instead of just putting all their eggs in that basket.

Yeah. And I'm worried about that, dude. Although they smoked somebody last week. Yeah, obviously last week looked better, but still a long way to go. I'll say this, I think everybody's kind of kicking themselves over that. Because when you go from a 14-win season where you're a couple games away from potentially being a Super Bowl contender to what you, you've seen this year. What about the happiness of Justin Jefferson as well?

Oh, for sure. And he's a guy, like, you've got a generational talent in Jefferson. Generational. And you've burned a year. You've burned a year of this. And pissed them off. Yeah, that's just like, you know, the house is on fire there. And hopefully JJ turns it around.

But what gets a bit weird for me, like seeing how it's all kind of transpired, is remember the couple games that he won, and he had a few moments in the fourth quarter? Yeah, the coach was giving him the ball. Correct. Like, game ball for this? like dude generally speaking getting a game ball

like you gotta really you gotta do some shit excuse me I get it you know we're not on your podcast yeah man you are losing your mind

I'm not let's say that not really on this show everybody says it oh we've got we've got a new guy on a board can I just ask a question do you think if Darnold was just if Darnold was just

okay in those playoff games do you think they would have just kept him like he wasn't great like he was just fine I think it would have a valid point I think it would have been a deeper conversation. He melted down the stretch. He melted in both games.

It was the final game against Detroit, and that was a game where I thought leading up to it, I'm like, Detroit was banged up, this is a perfect situation. Now, granted, it was in Detroit, but he missed a lot of throws there. He was horrendous. And then the next week wasn't very good either. It just seemed like inaccurate. Almost got the yips in baseball. I do think that was part of it.

And, you know, we'll see because there's been moments where the yips have returned this year for Darnold. I would say this, like, early in the year when they lost to San Fran, you know, that last play, everyone was kind of blaming Darnold. I'm like, okay, like Nick Bosa was healthy at the time, breathing down your back, like. Long season, guys make mistakes. But it'll be interesting to see how he handles because Seattle can still potentially get the one seat. And that, they got the Rams, I think, I'm coming here soon. Well, they got the Colts this weekend and your boy, Philip Rivers.

Like, where do you stand on a 44-year-old grandfather? father, Philip Rivers. Is he actually? Yes. The grandfather. This is where I stand. You know, I think that it's a good move from Indy because I think he gives you a better chance at winning than Riley Leonard.

That's just my honest assessment. I think most people would agree with that, at least most football people. The other side of this coin here for me is, and it wouldn't surprise me if they lose the next two weeks, which correct me if I'm wrong here, but it's Seattle. and then San Fran. Yes, it is. So if they lose and they're on the outside looking in, if they actually go to Riley and Leonard for the last two games.

Yeah, if you're Rivers, why even play? So I, not just that, but if you're the Colts, it's like, why do we need a 44-year-old when we can be getting a guy, granted, late, but a young kid who we drafted, you know, we can get him in here and get him going a little bit and get him some reps. So I think this is one of those things where it's like, this is our last-ditch effort to basically try and make the playoffs.

the amazing thing is, like, he's trying to Joe Flacco this. They're 8 and 5. They are free falling. Like, they have all these injuries. Yes. It's been a mess, and they have a very difficult schedule because... I believe it's Seattle, San Fran,

3-4 also nuts. They play Houston for sure. Houston is in there? And then, is it Denver maybe? No, I don't... It's not Denver. I don't, it might be Jacksonville. I don't know. He looked that up, but it's... It's a blood. Very difficult games. The fourth game is also very difficult. I remember this. I just don't see how

he's possibly going to help them win. I'm captivated by the story, but by the end of the run, it was tough to watch Philip Rivers play. That was five years ago. I'm telling you, I'm with you on that. I haven't really gone down. It was tough five years ago.

Yeah, I haven't really gone into like, everyone's pretty high. I'm like not really into it because with or without Rivers, even with Daniel Jones, I don't think they beat, I don't think they beat Seattle. Was there not another guy lying around somewhere?

That's the question. Cam Newton wants to play, apparently. Cam's taking it personally that. Yeah, I saw that. But to be honest, do you, like, Cam is not the guy they're looking for for that offense. You know,

they're clearly looking for a guy who's going to go through progressions, throw the football around. That's not Cam. They're not going to win any of these. Seattle, San Fran, Jacksonville, Houston. Those are all lost. And that's kind of where I'm like, you know. What's the point?

Well, at Rivers is playing. Like, he's not coming back to sit on the bench. I would be shocked if he's not playing this Sunday in Seattle. That is crazy because that defense can hunt. That guy was changing his grandkids' diapers, and he's going to be playing in the NFL. Yeah. Like, he is older than I am. It's going to get awkward when someone comes around a corner and just destroys him.

Yeah. I don't know if I'm comfortable watching that. It's going to be awkward. The strange one for me, and I don't know, like, I'm sure at this point, like, give up a seventh rounder. Maybe they didn't want to and get Joe Flacko. Like, Joe, what's Joe? Blacko doing right now? I don't know. Back in a borough? There's got to be some guys out there

that are available via practice squad or something, right? Is there anyone out there? Can you make trades, though? Your post-trade deadline. How does that work? I don't even... I'm not sure you can get anybody else. That's why I think it's desperate times called for desperate measures. Listen, it would be an incredible story. I'm not rooting against the guy. I'm not either,

but like... I just don't see how it's possible. Because you referenced, like, the SCED in and of itself. You got to, like, put yourself in that locker room, too. Like, aren't you, if you're in that locker room, you're like, Philip Rivers is our quarterback? How can he have a grasp of the play call? That won't be hard for him.

No? I'm telling you that, that will not be tough. Just because there's carryover from his whole career. I think he's a history with Steichen, doesn't he? Not in Indy, though. Stuyken wasn't there. But like, if it's similar verbiage, you know, this is what gets weird. It's like there's only so many plays.

Like, sure, will they condense a little bit of the playbook? Yes. And, like, what will happen is, let's say, the two-minute drive. Stichen or whoever's in his ear will be like, hey, this is I always use the term, like the term Aggie for us was the AG said for all

go, so that was like everybody knew Aggie was all go. So if they have a different word for their all go, you know, they'll have somebody at least translating like, yo, we want all goes here, we call it this. You know, and he should know this by now. And it could be, generally speaking,

similar verbiage. Like as a quarterback at his age, That's the least of my worries. Where I get more so is like you have no feel with the receivers. You know, you don't really know the timing of everything. The playbook will be condensed to a degree. You're not going to have every single bullet in your chamber. Again, and you're playing Seattle.

It's not like, you know, you get to play the Raiders week one, getting a little warmed up, and then get a win and survive here. And you're also, if we bring that playoff board back up, you're not defending a playoff spot. You're on the outside. You have to win. And you have to beat some really good football teams. Like Seattle on the other side is trying to win the division and go for the one seed.

Sam Fran is theoretically trying to win the division still. I believe only a game out. And then you've got Houston that is in the wild card but hanging on by a thread. Now I think Houston might be a scary scene in that entire picture right now. And Jackson is trying to hang on to the division. And you've got to beat all, you've got to basically be four playoffs. Oh, it's a playoff game every single night. And you don't have a great defense.

I think it's okay. Yeah, no, it's a wild free fall, man. It's a lesson because we all fall into the trap. I do. Late October, this team's great. They're legit. They're going to win the division. They're going to run away with it.

No, there's no guarantees. And a team like the Colts probably didn't deserve the benefit for the doubt. They just don't have the history. Danny Dimes is out due to injury, but it's not like he was playing great. Part of, like, the MVP was, yeah, he was Jonathan Taylor. But, like, what has happened to that run game? Beginning of the year... Stack in the box.

I mean... Yeah, and this is my thing. And it kind of goes not to flip this subject, but it's very similar to Philly last year. Everyone's like, man, Phillies have an unbelievable year. And what... I think the general fan doesn't understand. And I, like, live this, where if you can run the football, literally everything opens up.

Excuse me. And it's not just Seattle, but in Detroit, it was the same thing. The first thing, every defensive coordinator preached, is we have to stop the run. Because if you cannot stop the run, everything now becomes infinitely harder. And it's like, all of a sudden, Jonathan Taylor is rushing like a wild band.

Everybody's keyed in on, like, I've got to fit this gap. Even your safety is like, because, hey, this is my run responsibility, and that's my first thought. Stop Jonathan Taylor all week. Stop Jonathan Taylor. I got to make sure that Jonathan Taylor comes through this gap. I got to go down there and tackle this, man.

Right. And now all of a sudden it's like, oh, play action. You know, Pittman, somebody. In that split second, all that emphasis on stopping John and Taylor, it makes it wildly easier for quarterbacks. I think we're seeing that with Jalen Hertz a little bit this year. Well, Hertz has taken a ton of heat

in that market. Like in Philly, which Philly is not a normal market. Well, that performance against the Chargers. It was awful. It was terrible. I don't know if Doogie can do this this quickly, but the last interception, the last interception that lost the game. Is there any way you can pull that up? Doogie can give us a thund.

Interception that sealed the game. End of the game. In overtime. In overtime. Okay, Duke, do you think you can get that done? I'm sure, dude. But when he gets it done, I want to, like, explain to you when I see these things and, like, my jaw drops with how outrageous decisions on the field. I don't know if there's any other sport where you can do such a thing.

But as he's going, and this is why I say, like, he's getting killed. So that's a traditional RPO. And one of the reasons you can tell is that the O. Lyman, if it was just to play action, they would kind of sell the run, and then they back up because they don't want to get any legal man downfield. So when you see this, if Doogie gets us, the O'Lignment are blocking, and they're blocking. Philly could have been flagged for illegal man downfield. At a youth level, because RPO is a run, I can help coach an 18-year-old team in London. We run RPO's. Okay, when you're reading pass option. Yes.

It's not very common in the NFL as much as people think because the defenders are good enough to play both sometimes. But there it is. Look at Dougie. Doogie, if we can run this back and just stop it. The teleprompter. Just run it back, Doge. John Madden here. And it's Joe from the bridge that's heavily involved. Joe is up for a sports hemi.

But you're reading Cleo Mac and he's got square feet. And if you watch it, it's probably a nine-yard rush from Sequin. Like, it's the easiest thing, unless he's crashing down, you hand the ball off. So your first decision is hand the ball off. And it couldn't be, it's not a gray area. It's like, yo, if Cleo Mac is sitting there, like he is, look, you said it's not a teleprompter. Look at the top of the screen. It's a hell of a straighter, by the way.

Here you go. You got Cleo Mac literally looking right at Jalen Hertz. Like, guys, it's like, how do you make this decision? This is day one of college-style stuff. So you pull it, and then you're jammed because Cleo Mac's in your face. And then to make matters worse, it's first down, throw it over somebody's head out of bounds. Right, get rid of it. It's second and ten.

You live. No, you know what I'm going to do? Thread the needle into a window that doesn't exist. and lose the game. Like, I can't stress it up how simple some of these things are, guys. Is there some selfishness involved too? He wants to prove to other people that I can make that throw. People talk about his arm and his decision-making,

and it just seemed like, I'm going to make the big-time play and shut everybody up, and it was extremely costly. Yes, I think there's some of that. And I think the other thing is all pre-planning his head. So, like, when I watch Jalen Hertz, I think a lot of his decision-making, he makes before the snap. So he'll look around and be like,

you know, Cleo Mac's going to actually dive in here and I'm going to pull this thing. And it's like you're not actually reading, you're just anticipating. And when he's right, it's awesome because it's like very smooth. Like, wow, what a fast read. When he's wrong, he jams the entire playup.

And again, you've got to win on the line. It's a tough team. It's a simple execution. You catch the ball. You'll look at Cleo Mac. If he's square stance, not crashing down, You say, have fun, Sequin. And if you run, I don't want you to run it back, but if you do, for all the football nerds out there,

the old, I'm going to get a ton of push on the play. Like, I'm telling you, it's an eight-yard game for fun, and you're sitting at second and two. Right. You know, and I'm sorry we got bogged down the football minutia boys, but like, when I watch the stuff, my head almost exploded. Well, and you've got to think the coaching staff is aware of that, and they've probably addressed it with hurts. And we went from supposed to be down 12 with a chance to get down 11 to do. That's really at the core of all this.

is that point right there. I can't get over it. Well, listen, we've got some great games this weekend. Which game is, which game, if you could only watch one, Bills at Pats, Packers at Broncos? Which game would you choose? Bills Pats. Because the division's kind of on the line.

Divisions on the line. I think that both, like the Pats to me, I've been singing their praises and I do think that they should be the one seed. I think they're the most, I want to make them very clear here. I think they're the most complete team in the AFC. you know, as far as offense, defense, special teams. I don't think they have the best unit at any of them. Maybe special teams is probably an argument there. But they're very good at all three, and I think they have a great coach in Brable.

But the flip side is they don't have a, I know he's considered an MVP season, but Drake May is not Josh Allen. So it's kind of like one of those age-old things where you've got a superstar and Josh Allen versus like an unbelievably fundamentally sound well-coached football. team, and for me, I actually, like, love that stuff. I love it. I love that stuff. This screams an Allen performance for me. It's not going to be easy, though, Hayes.

It's not going to be easy. He doesn't, this guy thinks it is. I honestly, I think he'll make it look easy at times. I think he's that good, and I think it's December now, and this cat is like, let's go. I agree, but let's start playing. This team is very, like, I know they're not flashy. This New England

team is very, very legit. Like, not as good as the Texans on defense, but, like, inching in that realm like Vrable has clearly got the boys bought in they'll be jacked up right at home bills in town

Drake May has been playing obviously very well been great and he'll know how to here's the next thing I would give I would give Rable the nod over McDermott damn straight I would I guess I mean this season he has

I mean tough to argue that so like Josh is going to have to have I mean he can do it but he's going to have to have I think he will. I believe you. He's going to have to have an unbelievable performance. Yeah.

Like, I'm not shocked. A little bit surprised, Packers are favored at Denver. I don't know. Why is that shocking? I mean, Denver's a double-digit team with an elite defense. They're playing at home. I mean, I know the Packers have been very good recently. Agreed.

Agreed. But I'd say match-up-wise. You know, we'll see. But the one unit that I don't think it's enough love is the Packers' defense. Yeah. Like, the Packers' defense is straight up nasty. It's playing great. physical. They can get

after you, whether it's in the run game or the past game, and they have some absolute dogs in that unit. And they play. They talk their trash. They talk their S word. See, I already learned from my mistake. They're in your face. The DBs are nasty. Micah Parsons

looks inspired out there. He's playing great. He's playing outstanding. So I expect the defense to show up. And love has been great recently. He's been great all year. He's been very good all year. I think it's a legit favor. I think that PAC should be favored. I think they're going to win a game. I'm not, it's not even that I'm not like in cahoots with that. Like I understand it, but it's more about Denver.

Like maybe it's a public play. And that's how the line gets driven sometimes, like where you think the money's coming in. I think it's Vegas possibly saying we don't either don't believe in Denver or the general public doesn't know enough about them to bet them against the very public team in Green Bay. Totally. Who is red hot and has been doing it on prime time. Like Thanksgiving and last week against the Bears was in the 4 o'clock window. that's a huge game. Totally.

I think LaFleur has got to come in this week and pull the defense aside and be like, listen, you know, Bo Nix has not had a phenomenal year. He said it's a couple great fourth quarters, but you put this on your defense. You say, we've got to go in here and we need to make their life a living hell.

Stop RJ Harvey in this run game, which they could definitely do. And like D.Bs, we're going to have Micah Parsons chasing after Bo Nix, and when he makes that mistake, we have to capitalize. You cannot give up

14 points in this game. If I was before, that's what I would be talking to. My team's saying. All right. Well, any last comments? Any last words for you, too? It'll obviously be my party. Oh, I appreciate that.

Are the leaves going to be good this year, man? My dad's all, he's all banged up. That's Jonas. That's very much TV. We got to see. My dad asked me other day, he's like, man, ask the guys if the leaves are going to get Quinn Hughes. And then he goes,

and he wants to know how much of an impact that would have. That's a no. They're not going to. It would be a significant impact, though. One of the best players in the world, like a top five player, not just defensemen. But it's not happening. Do you have time to ask a leave question? Can I ask a leave question? Go ahead. Leaf corner. Why don't you sell the farm and get them?

They don't have a farm. Oh, really? See, I'm not a hockey guy. They've sold the farm already. There's no farm to sell. They have guys that could sell. Not for Quinn Hughes. They could put a package together. They may not.

From the bridge, what would that be? We talked about a couple weeks ago. We would start with Matthew Nines. Yeah, okay. Hey, and what else? It would be more than that, but not substantially more than that. Like, what do you think they're getting from here? Like, the NHL just doesn't do crazy trades.

It's ridiculous. Yeah, and Vancouver, they kind of got fleeced on the last couple deals. The Bo Horvatt deal, the J.T. Miller deal. Why do you trust that Jim Rutherford's going to figure this deal out? I don't. I mean, they'll get something for them. They will, but I don't know. I don't think it's as crazy as you think.

I'm not saying the Leafs are going to do it, but it's a good little... I think twice about it, man. I think your dad's on to something. This is, he learns from, I always say this from like, guys, I said this with Buffalo. And I'm telling you, in my opinion, I think Buffalo gets jammed somewhere in the

playoffs. It's going to be a tight game. Buffalo is going to get jammed somewhere, whether it's the divisional round, whether it's the AFC championship, and we're all going to come back here. In this show, we're going to say they're one piece away. And you know what? Looks good on their damn front office.

Yeah. it happened. Because they had a chance to get the one piece and they didn't go get it. I'm done. Ransel. We're coming back. Jonas, I want a package out of you to get out of Vancouver. I'm curious what you would put together. I mean, they have no picks. So that's that is concerning.

They have no certain. Who did they trade the picks for? A lot of players. A lot of guys who, some of them are still on the team. Yeah. Carlo's still here. Lotton's still here. A couple other guys. All right, so you're locking in bucks, just to clarify. Box. Okay, bucks minus five and a half.

Need a win. That's a luck. I might lose by 20. I might lose it. I want you to win here. Dude, I need it bad. Like, we want the bucks to cover, right? Look at how pathetic I am.

I get sympathy now. We're dying for the box to cover. Dying. I have a bad feeling, Falcons. I know. Back door tonight. But we'll see what happens. All right, Luke.

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