OverDrive - Willson on Rodgers playing the Packers, Wilson and Payton's feud and TNF selections

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

TSN NFL Analyst Luke Willson joined OverDrive to discuss the headlines around the NFL, Russell Wilson responding to Sean Payton's comments, the Jets' winless start to the season, Aaron Rodgers playing the Packers, Hayes. and Bro's selection on the Thursday Night Footall matchup and more.

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It's a field goal now. We're still in the lead, are we not? You guys are still chasing us. Yeah, and like we said, you guys got hot. Clearly that ended. We're going to come back to reality here. I will be honest, I hate this game tonight. And you're going to butcher this, and we'll be too.

too, and it's our pick to start the weekend after tonight. Yeah. And we're in the driver's seat. It's possible. Yeah. Well, you won't be in the driver's seat. You lose this tonight, it's pretty much the ALCS and we're the J's. You know?

So now you're going to. I like that talk. I like that. I thought you're rude for the merits. My party is flattie and I'm Springer. No question. No question. Well, we'll see, man.

Alice Brother and I, I'm not sure if we see that eye on this game tonight. We'll flush it out. Alice Brother will join us in about 10 minutes. and we'll flush it all out. But how about this, you know, Russell Wilson, Sean Payton stuff? Yeah, what's going on there? Yeah, man. Russ just can't help him.

Russ gets hit with so much shrapnel. Ever since he left Seattle, it's just been such a downhill slide for him. So if you're not familiar with it, Peyton was pumping the tires of Jackson Dart, which is hilarious considering what just happened with the Giants and Broncos game where the Broncos made history in the fourth quarter and came back in one. But to paraphrase, Peyton basically said, you know, he told the owner, hey, wait to put in Jackson until after we play, insinuating, please keep Russ as your quarterback. It's a D-bag thing to say, man. It totally.

It totally is, and good for Russ because he hammered back at him on Twitter, you know, about the, what did he hammer him about, oh, the targeting stuff back in the day, a bounty gate, bounty gate when he was with the same. and Peyton came out today and said that's not what I meant. It's completely bogus. There's no way to interpret that as any other way of your Russell Wilson. Totally. That he wanted you to be playing over the other guy, which is a shot at Russell Wilson, and we all know their history from Denver.

Totally. And I was happy, you know, Russ said that because generally Russ doesn't show any side of things. Sean Payton is kind of known as a bit of a diva, you know, even going into that when Russ and Sean were married together. there in his second year in Denver, I was like, this will be really interesting because it's two guys that have very big personalities. Obviously, we know how it played out.

But what's annoying for me with Peyton is it's like, okay, dude, listen, you looked like trash against the Jets a couple weeks ago. One of the worst football games I think anyone has ever witnessed. In London. In London. Yeah, it was awful. It was disgusting performance. Then you come in and you're down 19.

nothing to the Giants and a rookie quarterback makes a bad decision. He did a lot of good things that game, but the interception kind of sparked everything back. It's a very quirky ending. They end up, they being the Broncos, end up winning. This

Broncos team is supposed to be a team that, hey, at this point can you push for the division? That whole division's wide open, still record wise. Can you make a deep playoff run? They went to playoffs last year. And you're coming off back-to-back weeks of playing the New York teams, and you should have been

0 and 2. And then the first thing Sean Payton does is go to the podium and takes a shot at Russ, the backup quarterback, a guy that he doesn't have to deal with anymore. I thought it was childish. And then I was happy that Russ was like, man, this guy's, you think he said he was classless? I'm like, what a

clown play. And then for Peyton to walk it back, I didn't mean it like that. Like you said, Hayes, I'm like dude, you've been in this industry a very long time. You know how things will be interpreted, the way you phrase that whole thing, it just seemed like ridiculous, just a clown show. It's not necessary thing. Like, pumped the tires of dart. Nothing wrong with that. You're allowed to do that. Russ knows what's up. Russ isn't playing, and he's not going to play again

for the Giants. But the idea that you go out of your way to say, like, don't put them in until after our game is insinuating the other guy stinks. Yeah. And we want to play against the other guy. it's weird in new york though because like you got the owner with the jets woody johnson who kid is the one of the worst owners going in terms of wins and losses totally um how are we going to win with a qb that has a rating that artist does yeah who says that destroys justin fields terrible you know what's funny though is like i would love to know how the whole erin rogers thing went down and as far as what because how do you sit there?

How do you sit there and anybody in that front office, anybody on that coaching staff? And I'm not saying that Aaron is playing at an all-pro level. He's having a very good season right now. He's not Josh Allen. He's not Patrick Mahomes. He's not Aaron of six, seven years ago. I understand that.

But he is, in the positive, not Justin Fields. How do you sit there and say, oh, you have a quarterback who can't pass a football or can't complete a pass? whatever the exact term was, you know, mention his rating, you had Aaron Rogers in the building. You kicked him out, according to all sources. When Aaron Glenn got in there, we all know his story,

do you want to play football, get out of here, et cetera, et cetera. Now, again, that's why I said, love to be a fly in the wall. Like, what did you think was going to happen? Justin Fields did not have a successful run in Chicago. He got bench for Russell Wilson, who's also on the bench, the team that shares a stadium with you, you've got to know that if you get Ben Shuruss,

it's not good. This guy's not throwing the ball very well. Not good. You come in and it's like, man, we're going to ride with Justin Fields. What did you expect was going to happen? Did you expect that this guy was going to come in and light the league up? So I do think it's an indictment on him. I think it's an indictment on Aaron Glenn.

I think it's an indictment on the whole front office. If they were worried about winning football games, and I'm not saying that Aaron would have put them over the edge, but if they wanted to win more games, this year. Aaron is a much better option than Justin Fields. That's just a fact. I don't know what he's griping about. I'd suggest Robert Sala, a better option

than Aaron Glenn, you know, looking back on it. Light years, light years, better. There was a 13-year-old kid that got, like, it was just a video and he said, I saw it. I saw it. It's just like, I hate this team. I hate the scene. And he's like I was born into it. And I just hate it. And then he just

walked away, and he seemed like, for a younger guy, he was a kid. It seemed like he was so depressed. He just looked like dead, straight face and said, I just hate this team. And I was born into it, and I'm stuck with it, and then walked away. It was so depressing. It is, in parts to further that, imagine, like, you're a young kid, and you have Garrett Wilson, who's a premier talent, you know, world-class wide receiver,

where as far as talent goes. Breeze Hall, who I would put as far as talent goes, kind of in that second echelon, like in that first one you got Sequin, CMC, Bejohn, Jonathan Taylor and Brees is in that, you know, second group of guys, I would say. And you're out here and it's just, again, it's not even that they're losing. I mean, that's the main part. But it's, it's like painful to watch. Like watching them, you're like, this is so bad.

Right. Well, and that's it. Like, at least the Giants now have Jackson darts. Totally. Which is exciting. It doesn't mean he'll work. But it's fun. But it's different.

Gadaboo, yes. Yes, exactly. you have like a running back that's intriguing you might be able to the coach may be gone at the end of the year so you can reshuffle Aaron Glenn's not going anywhere no it's a mess in New York um as for Rogers like it's Pittsburgh Green Bay Sunday night which is great I think Rogers has handled it really well I was watching his media yesterday and you know not he's he's not anti Green Bay he wasn't throwing anybody under the bus he was he was talking about his time there in a really calm and in reasonable, kind of mature fashion. Like, just saw the writing on the wall when they drafted Jordan Love. He loves, apparently the two of them are really close.

He was a really good mentor for him. I don't believe that. That's true. By all accounts, like Love says, like, Farrv and him, it was well documented. Farve had nothing to do with the guy. Wanted nothing to do with him. Now, they became close as they got older. Like, as they, once Rogers proved who he was and Farrb realized, okay, you're legit.

I think they became boys. but by all accounts, Rogers was actually really supportive of Jordan Love and included him. He hated the organization for drafting him, not the guy who got drafted. But I saw a report today that even though we're only into late October,

there's already belief in Pittsburgh they want them back for next year. How would you handicap that possibility that we see Aaron play another year in Pitt? I think it's a good shot. If Aaron is healthy and wants to do it, why wouldn't he? And to be honest, that team, I mean, they're in first place in the division right now,

but they're not that many pieces away from being a contender. The way, again, the big thing is going to be Aaron's health, but it's like, man, I don't mind their running back room. I wouldn't call it elite with Warren and Gainwell. But with DK, the tight end trio they've got, I think it's really solid. If you can get another wide receiver in there, which now of a sudden this offense is, you know, pretty special. The problem this year has been their deal. defense. I mean, again, they should be a one-lost team, but their defense has really

struggled at times. So that wouldn't surprise me because, you know, I think even for Tomlin's run, if he doesn't get to a Super Bowl soon, he might be in that danger of like, you've been good but not great for so long now that we're going to move a different direction. You know, there was talk last year with that. So he's kind of at the level where it's like, he's got to win soon. And then you look at Aaron and it's like, hey, if I want to get a chance at winning one more Super Bowl, where else are you going to go that's a better shot than Pittsburgh? So I don't think the team is

ready to do it this year. I mean, you never know, but I do think that they're somewhat close. If they can add a couple pieces. There is. Yes, Al's brother. Where are you right now? Are you a prisoner of war somewhere? Everything okay with you, Al

brother? What's happening? A prisoner of war. What's going on, fellas? How we all do it. They're tightening up a little bit, Al's brother. Go Hawks, baby. Yeah, you know what? Hey, look, a blind squirrel

finds a nut every now and then. You guys had a good Monday, but it's Thursday. It's a short week, and we play great under the lights on a short week. So I feel fantastic about tonight's game. Can you go back to your pick Monday and explain to me the rationale behind that?

Behind what? Behind taking... Tampa? Well, I mean... I mean, we've baited them parts, parts. Bade it all. It was such a large number. It was just such a large

number and Tampa's played good with all the injuries and Baker Mayfield has still, you know, shown that you can get it done offensively. They just don't own ball. That's why we're going to win the season. It's just luck with you guys. Flip the coin, right? We're plus three and rolling, man. We never, never miss

Siles, brother, and we do not intend I'm missing tonight. Now, this is a difficult game because guess who's involved? Carson Wentz. I couldn't, like, I would pay money not to ever have to talk about Carson Wentz ever again.

Don't take a trash match. It's a horrible game for that. It's Chargers at home. What is it, three points, Doogie? Or have you adjusted the line somehow? What is it now? Horver versus Wentz, boys, is an easy pick here. You're traveling across the country.

You're going to take Wentz over at Burbank. Chargers Land 3. Charles, brother, don't listen to the buffoonery over here. Pars, could you imagine? We wouldn't even have to talk about this. Could you imagine? We know exactly what we're doing. Go ahead, Oz, brother.

Go ahead, Oz, brother. Look, you know, it is a difficult one to get. I will say that. And you look at it, I can make an argument for both sides here. But Carson Wentz has never lost on a Thursday night. No. Which is kind of insane to think about. Carson Wentz is 7-0 on Thursday night, a guy who knows how to play under the lights.

But I tell you what, I just look at the Chargers, and I don't know, something's just not jelling there right now. They've lost three of their last four games. They've allowed almost 400 yards of offense in those games. And their red zone defense has been not great all season long. So, you know, I think that you look at it, you're getting points, you're getting Minnesota. And what scares me is the Chargers have not been able to score either. The Red Zone offense has been the second worst in all of football. And the Vikings is an elite team.

It's a really good defense. And they've got the third best pass rush. Joe Alt might be back. but they're not going to have Sean Slater, obviously, he's done for the year, so there's some tackle issues with the Chargers. I kind of like Minnesota here, but I can be persuaded to go a different way, Hazie. Ball in love with your boys talk.

This is a tough one, man, because as the president of football ops, I need to put faith in my people, and I have more faith than I was brother than probably anyone, probably anyone in terms of duos. The Chargers, though, they've lost three or four. It hasn't been great. This feels like one, you know, a fork in the road game where they have to get it right tonight. Yes. Like Harbaugh and Herbert have got to connect and have a night.

And I just, I look at Carson Wentz, I can't believe he's undefeated on Thursday night. Are you including high school games? It's kind of, you know, life comes at you fast, boys. Last week, Singapore's calling. After this pick, you're about to make, Cash Patel's calling, dude. The FBI. Hey, hey, Casmetel's calling. He probably is.

He's got the cameras going, man. You know what he probably is? Because he's like, these guys never miss. Something's got to be off. He's calling saying, listen, you're on the opposite end of this. Don't ever gamble again. Take them. He's sending us a warning.

That's, there's been some great stuff online like that. I heard that the FBI's been on their tail, and they're trying to throw them off with this pick right here. They're going to say, there's no way in hell those guys are making money. That's right. They can't be cheating and taking this one. It wouldn't shock me if there was some big conspiracy. Duggy and Duggy Patel.

Duggy Patel. Duggy Patel is trying to orchestrate this and take us off. Go ahead. Send up your smoke screen. Send them in a different direction. Yeah, exactly. Well, hey, it's like what's your, what's your hesitancy? Is it all Wentz?

Is it a Carson Wentz? Part of it is a principled anti-Carson-Went stance. And that's fair. Definitely it. I also, I look at the Chargers, and I just, I don't believe that they're this awful football team now. You know, like they started much better than this. They've been dealing with injuries. Their offensive line has been a mess.

There's no disputing it. Herbert's been running for his life. But I just, this feels like a Harbaugh, Herbert, you know, you've got to, if you're going to get it, you're getting it back into the season, this is the game you've got to get, short week at home. There you go, it just feels like you've got to find a way to win this game tonight. that's a gut instinct analysis i get it because everything you're supplying says on paper the vikings are the play especially getting points but i just i look at it more as like the the way the games played and the way the world spins king daddy topper i just uncover go ahead else brother i want to hear this

let's hear let's hear okay go ahead i think i think i think we got a side with your chargers tonight, Hayes, because I'm looking at what happened the last time Justin Herbert played Brian Flores and this Minnesota defense. Look, we know that Flores is the most aggressive DC in the game, the highest blitz rate in the NFL. Justin Herbert this year has the fourth best passing rating against the blitz. And last time these two teams faced off against each other, Brian Flores' defense got torched by Justin Herbert for 445 yards. This guy is a dog against the Blitz. So if they're going to try and send everything after Justin Herbert,

I mean, he's shown before that he could pick them apart. I just uncovered this information. Noodles, noodles. I love it. Nuddles. Can I ask you something, man? Is there anything worse than a yes, man? You know, this is why Al's brother is around here.

He comes in here, he gives his idea. He's like, I'm not sure I like it. Now all of a sudden. Find some other information. Yeah, I got new information. What a yes, man. He's finding information. What a shill.

He's got the x-ray glasses on. man he's seeing things we don't see shooting from the hip and then haye shot him down now he's on board though that's what it is it's a tough game in reality it's a tough game it's a really tough and it sounds like the vikings might be without both their starting tackles too which is tough like no neal and no darisaw what's the moon reading tonight what's your feeling your gut go with your original one guys what does the moon say else brother that's going to determine the pick we're in a waxing crescent boys a waxing class I just want to let parts I got to talk to you, man.

We'll never be. These guys are up three and we've got this much of a pretzel. We're taking the chargers tonight. We're taking the chargers. We're on the chargers. Wow, look at his always so disappointed. You can tell he's so sad. Madison Beer is going to be in the house tonight.

I was brother. They never lose when Madison's there. They never lose when Madison beers in the house. He's got to put up a good game, just like in high school, right? You always had your best game when the pretty girl was sitting in the stands and looking over a couple gunshots. That's going to be real exciting nights. That's right. real exciting when the

Chargers are down two and they get the ball of the minute 45 and kick the last second field goal to win by one. Wow, I'm going to love that. I'm going to love that. This is a fork in the road in the season. I can feel it right now. All right. Doogie, Patel, you tried your best, but it's not going to

work. Right out, brother? You and I, nothing can take us down. Nothing can take us down. Absolutely not. We're on the Chargers, boys. We're on the Chargers. Lock it in. We love it. it. Haysenbrook plus four tonight.

We love it. We love it. All right, boys. We'll catch on the group chat tonight. Have yourselves a great evening. Can't wait. There it is. Luke Wilson and Al's brother.

It's always uncomfortable when Al's brother and I don't see eye to eye or. Yeah, but you could tell right away. When he was leaning, you were like, no, that's not happening. Again, this is one I feel like this is where you get caught up in the paper. You start looking at the stats. you start looking at this, that, and the other. Sometimes you've got to phase out a little bit and say, do you think the Chargers are really going to lose this game?

Can they? Of course they can. It's football. It's sports. It's the Chargers. But a short week at home, you've lost three or four. Like Harbaugh is going to be going nuts, and they've got to have a game. That defense has got to show up tonight.

And I think against Carson Wentz, they find a way to make him look uncomfortable. So tough game. No question. Tough game. If the Vikings roll tonight, Al's brother is going to be insufferable tomorrow. Yeah, you will be.

He'll be allowed to. I did the overrule, man. We haven't had an overrule all year. There has not been an overrule all season. I think you had to do it, man. You described it perfectly. That is the play. There's no other way around it.

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