OverDrive - Willson on Sanders' spotlight first start, the Cowboys' comeback and the MNF matchup

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

TSN NFL Analyst Luke Willson joined OverDrive to discuss the headlines around the NFL, the Ravens looking to win the AFC North, the Cowboys' electric comeback against the Eagles, Shedeur Sanders' first start, O'Win Willson's pick and more.

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If you smell What the Owen Wilson is cooking I was hoping for a different song I was hoping for a type analysis I'm done with this I didn't want to hear Millie Vanilli I really didn't

I was pulling for you guys Parts it's all on the line tonight We can't get it done I was filming film and film never lies So I have not tuned in the beginning part of the show But I heard a crazy rumor that my partner, my pal, my amigo, a pro athlete is on this show right now claiming that we're done if we lose.

Yeah, basically an ultimatum. If it gets, what is it right now? Plus 11? Plus 12. Can I go over just to you guys? Hang on a sec part. Baker's dozen tonight. If it gets to Baker's dozen, we ran out of time.

We ran out of runway. We've got to switch it up. And don't you agree? No, I disagree, Park. You think we could still chip away? Yes, I do, especially with Thanksgiving. Do you understand that we don't miss? This is what's crazy is look at their, like we're bad, 16 to 19.

Say it again, you think we could still chip away. Chip away. 22, 13. Now we go. Now we go. Now we go. Now we go. My partner took a mid-season by week, and we didn't slow down.

But now my partner is coming back with energy. He's useless. And there's a dirty rumor that he proposed, but she said no. That's not true. That's completely true. That's not true. The two of them are in great spirits. Everyone's ecstatic.

They're just young love is in the air still with Al's brother and his. I come in. I come in yesterday. I walk into the studio and I'm like, wow, you know, we're down nine. And I'm like, there's no way. If you would ask me my picks, I would have taken KC. So I was KC, Philly, and then the one I would have taken was obviously Matthew Safford. Rams was so good last night.

That was a lock. Yes. But I'm sitting there and I'm like, the Chiefs are going to get it done today. Chiefs are going to get it done. We're going to win that one. We'll go from there. The Chiefs go. I'll play the heck out of the Colts.

Did they? They were down 29. They were down 11 points in the fourth quarter. You look at that game, almost every statistical category, except for the big one, turnovers. and then they got jamming the red zone. They had crazy eight-minute-long drives. Kareem Hunt had 50 more, 40-something more yards than Jonathan Taylor had 58 total rush yards.

Steve Spagnolo got him to 3-N-out, 3-and-out in the fourth quarter. I thought they dominated the game. They were bad in the red zone, and they had a couple bad turnovers, including the pick early. But at that point, I'm watching it. I'm like, here they go. Majesical Chiefs, first and goal from the two, the spreads three and a half, and we get jammed up and then it comes to a field goal

and I'm like we're going to lose in the hook and we lost in the hook well like watching that game you know everyone's waiting for Kansas City it's like okay they're back they're back they're back they're back and now they're 6 and 5 they're still in the hunt for me you mentioned how they took Taylor away

which is incredibly difficult to do considering how well John and Taylor's been playing but I think the Colts took him out too because like dimes he needed to make like one or two throws in the fourth quarter. And that's what has to be questioned for Colts fans.

Couldn't do it. I think it's the same thing in Seattle with Darnold. I think I could name a handful of other teams that are off to a really good start. I think Bo Nix, possibly in Denver. Maybe Drake May in the biggest moments. We'll see. It's early. He's young.

But at some point, the game, you can break it down to like the simplest, simplest terms. Can your quarterback make one or two big throws when he really has to make them? I agree. And he couldn't do it yesterday. the Chiefs yesterday. You just said it. You're down 11. Even that, you know, and all of a sudden I'm sitting there and I'm speaking with our producer on the CTV show

who's an NFL savant. And he's like, Luke, like, we're going to go do this hit. Like, looks like the Chiefs are going to lose. You think they'll make the playoffs. And you start looking at the schedule. And I'm a big Chiefs guy. You guys have heard me on here and I'm looking at it. And I'm like,

the math ain't mathing. Like, they still had a shot, but like not a good shot. And they don't have many tiebreakers. And a game below 500, and I'm like, yikes, like, they might miss the playoffs. And then all of a sudden, it's like seasons on the line. Patrick Mahomes comes. You want to talk about the couple throws? Vintage.

Surgical. He completed a pass to a guy who was unconscious. Noah Gray knocked himself out while hitting the ground and still ended up catching the football. Yeah. It laid on him, and they counted it. Like, it was unbelievable. The fourth down play, some of the third down plays where she Rice came to life. Kareem Hunt's jumping over the pile for a touchdown.

Steve Spagnolo comes in and forces three and outs. Jonathan Taylor's got nowhere to run. And I'm like, this is a playoff game. And, you know, when it came down to it, the Chiefs delivered once again. Chiefs delivered once again. Yeah, they did. Part C, can you explain to me the scheduling? Like, how does some teams, if you're a garbage team the year before,

does that mean you have like an easy schedule the next year? Yes. What the hell is that? Yes. So what? I don't think that's right. Not many people know this. And I'm not sure how the 17th game is.

But it was funny because until I got to the NFL, I'm like, whoa, this is to do the schedule. So what they do and why schedules end up easier or slash harder is you go in your division, you obviously play home and away. Yes. And so there right there becomes your three games home, three games away, there's six games. Then if you're in the NFC, everybody in your division plays one other division, all four teams. Oh, I didn't know that. Yes.

So you'll always have a very similar. schedule, there gets you to the 10 game mark. And then in the same breath, everybody in your division plays one other division in the AFC or like they cross conferences. So again, like that's 14. That gets you to 14. And to make schedules easier or harder, what you did for 15, 16 is if you were the one seed in your, in your division, you play the other two divisions in your conference, one seed from last year. So. That's why. get Kansas City Buffalo every year. Every year

because they're always the one seed. And it was like for us, you probably would remember this, it was like we always seem to be playing Green Bay. It was like every year Green Bay and Carolina was another one that was just like, oh, we got Carolina again. I got to be honest, I had no idea. I mean, people do. I used to sit there

and be like, you know, we're playing the one year I think the Cardinals ended up winning the division and you're looking at it and you're like, well, we had to play the what's it called the Packers, the the Panthers with Cam Newton. And they're playing

the Bears. They're playing the Saints. The Lions back then. Correct. And it's like, hey, we end up missing out on a game or we're two games back and you kind of look at those two games and you're like, now granted, we mess up

some stuff. So they do do that to make things kind of more parody and add a little more drama. Yeah, there's three swing games, so to speak. Yeah, I don't know how they do the 17th game though that's well it's i think it's the same like it's that's anyway we don't have to get too deep into it but yeah more or less like the the three three games that are separate from the standard kind of scheduling is generally it's based on you know strength of competition the year

before and a lot of times you see kansas city play buffalo whatever it happens to be but yeah i mean that was a big win by kansas city and then you know staying in the afc the ravens have caught the stealers which is overtaking them yeah and And Lamar is not doing anything right now, which is kind of wild. And I don't know, he's got to be banged up because he does not look like himself. He's not claiming injuries to his credit. When you win, you don't have to. You can just say, hey, it's a great team effort and blah, blah, blah.

But who does, like, who does this say more about the Ravens of the Steelers that were in this position? They had a great shot here to kind of really cement themselves and separate. And now all of a sudden, they're in jeopardy. let's just be honest with Pittsburgh, they're in grave danger here because Buffalo is their next opponent. And then the next thing that's wild about that game is, I lean Buffalo, I don't know who's going to end up having to call that game. I lean Buffalo all day, but if Buffalo lays another egg,

you've got to look at the schedule for Buffalo and think to yourself, we might be on the outside looking in on this thing too. And then the last thing I'll say is matchup-wise, I don't know if Buffalo wants to show up to Baltimore, if that's what it's going to be, because they can't stop the run. And Henry is starting to get rolling. That run game's looking a lot better. So, you know, if you're Buffalo right now, assuming you don't win the division,

I think your best chance matchup-wise would be Denver, believe it or not. And then after that, there's not really anybody you love to see, but I would probably go in your own division in New England. You don't want to see that Buffalo defense in their run game, run defense. It's a mess. Doesn't want to see Jonathan Taylor in the first round of playoffs. Everything's kind of lumped up. Look, I wanted your opinion on, like, is that Dallas win yesterday?

Like, does that do anything for them? Like, I mean. Noodles other than make me want to puke? Back to the spread. So we get jammed on the hook. It's 21-0, and I almost text the group, I swear. I said, well, we washed that out. We got to pray Baker pulls a miracle tonight.

Right. Oh, my. The Eagles threw that game away, man. There's something weird about the Eagles. You know, it feels like they were. a couple of years ago. Remember they started 10 and 0 or whatever and they just melted down the stretch? And they got punted by Tampa

in the playoffs? Yes. Watching that game, it was just a weird I don't know, I got a weird vibe out of it and I just don't know like, Dallas isn't for real, is it? It's just that, I'll say this, Dallas's offense is for real. Dallas's offense is 100% for real. Dak

Prescott, if they had a better record, everybody would be talking about this guy. You know, George Pickens, Dan Orlovsky, I think, had to take day. I've got to get his exact words. I want to misquote him. But he thinks George Pickens is the best receiver in the NFL. He's been unbelievable. Unbelievable. So you look at

Pickens, C.D. Lambs got a ton of town. A couple random drops yesterday, which almost burned him. But C.D. Lam's obviously an unbelievable player, too. The run game in the O line, like one thing Dallas has historically done very well is draft. Like, as much as you want to talk smack about Jerry Jones, Dallas has

hit on a lot of draft picks. Not everyone, but a lot of them. Their offensive line to me looks awesome. And they kind of built that through the draft. So offensively, noodles, they are at 1,000% the real deal. Defensively, you know, they had the game against the Raiders, and everyone's like, oh, they're back, Quinn and Williams, et cetera. Yesterday in the first quarter, let's call it, I'm like, this defense is awful.

It's the worst defense ever seen. I mean, AJ Brown's run, wide open, middle field for touchdown. But they were able to kind of rope it in. Now, that's where I'm like, how much of this was on the Eagles? I think a decent amount. Like, I don't love Dallas's defense. they're much better than they were beginning of year. But you want to ask me if they're for real, like, again, I know it's the new kid saying,

but it's like the math just ain't mathing. They have five wins. Who are they going to catch? Honestly, who are they going to, like, they're going to have to, I hate, because they're not going to catch the Eagles. Like, as bad as the Eagles are right now, I say that. But the Eagles, I think will snap out of it and get to 11 wins or whatever. So, like, you've got three wild card spots, and right now two of them are in the NFC West. And, like, Sam Fran's got two more wins than they do.

Seattle's got, I believe, three more wins than I do. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it's going to come down to the NFC North and the NFC West. Correct. Like, that's what's going to determine what happens here. I still think that Detroit and or Green Bay. Yeah, Green Bay, you know, I'm trying to get a read on who the best team is in the NFC North, because based on the record is Chicago, and credit to the Bears, they're playing brutal teams with their winning.

And Caleb Williams has played really well recently, like he's controlling the ball. I couldn't believe when I saw their record. They're 8 and 3. Yeah. And like very soft schedule, getting back to what we talked about earlier. They've been so bad. They just have soft schedules and they take advantage of it. And it's, they still have to go through Green Bay and Detroit.

There's going to be some heavy lifting down the stretch here. It's going to get difficult for them. But Green Bay is well. Green Bay's got a pretty tough sked. Detroit's got a very tough sked. Yeah, but they just have more wins than the Cowboys. Right. Like, do you think Green Bay gets to 10 wins?

Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Does Chicago get to 10 wins? Probably at this rate. I would agree. Detroit? Yeah, probably.

Yeah. So I think Dallas, to your point, is in trouble. The Niners aren't going to fall. And Niners are playing Carolina, so someone's winning tonight. They're seven and a half point favorite. Now, I think that line should be a little tighter as you're going to follow out here. I think I know exactly who you're taking on. And I would, too.

But, like, is does Seattle going to slow down? No. Yeah. It's not going to add up for Dallas. Is Dallas going to catch? somebody's going to have to have a monumental collapse at this point sort of like

possibly multiple teams I got a feeling there's going to be somebody in this vicinity in this room that's going to have a monumental collapse in the middle. Talking Hazenbrose, is that what you're suggesting that we're going to be the ones that melt?

Parts, you got to come clean here. What did you say on this show today, parts? Did you say you wanted to join the enemy? Yeah, he was popping off there. Luke, you've got to be concerned about this guy. I do admit, when I said it, started growing, because I was lying.

I said, it was. It was just a complete joke. But I did say, I think plus 13 would be out of reach. Would you not agree with that? If it's plus 13 after Thanksgiving, yeah, out of reach. We're in Chambling. Well, the math ain't mathing, man. You've got to look at this thing parts and say, correct me from wrong, there's three games on Thanksgiving, a fourth game on Friday.

And then all the windows on Sunday. Yes. We're together. A lot of games, man. We're together until a week from now, and if we can't pull it together, the system has to change. For entertainment purposes only. Clark's, that's so disappointing here. All I'm saying is, don't give me Al's brother.

I don't want him. Well, I told you, these two, I don't think they're going to work together because Al's brother is going to believe. Then you'll never have them. We're staying, forget it. We're staying for the whole season. Forget it. You will not be able to work with Al's brother. Because Al's brother, especially coming off a win where you guys fold,

like you're an organization that will seize operation. Okay, forget it. We're sticking it out. I think we also need some guidelines here. Unlike who gets traded, me or you, like who? Well, this guy wants to come over onto my team. Like, I know how he's thinking, because I am seeing the board very clearly right now. Dude, it doesn't look.

It doesn't matter because the points would get split down the middle. Al's brother would take his six points to you, and I would take six to... I don't say he's taking anything to me. Al's brother's not, we're not on the same team. Well, you guys... We're sticking it out the rest of the year. And I trade O-Dog for future considerations. You can keep Al's bro.

You can just take O-Doc. That's a great question. Future considerations. Man, I would hurt the ego. You got flipped for futures. Yeah, I'm just like not involved in the second. I just... Flip for headphones off.

futures. Well, listen, there's four, five, six, there's eight games on the line. Next week. Eight games. That's a massive swing. We need to go six and two. Minimum six and two. With a win tonight. Yeah, and all of a sudden we're in single digits. Then it's a touchdown. Remember Christmas has some time. Christmas. A lot of games. A lot of games over Christmas. There are a lot of games. Now we go. Now we go. Now we go. All right. Would you think it should do her Sanders yesterday? It sounds like Dylan Gabriel's been cleared for action, but they're going to stick with Shador is the number one.

I've got a lot of thoughts on Shudor. So first and foremost, I'll say this. I actually like him as a player. I liked him in college. You know, I like him. I thought he did okay yesterday. You know, he did what he was asked to do. Let's take the drama out of it for a second.

Let's just look at the game yesterday. He had one brutal play, which was the interception. That was awful. I thought his best play, he kind of got flush from the pocket. a big deep shot down the field. Unbelievable throw. They asked him the throw 20 times. He had 11 completions.

Not ideal. Not brutal. 209 passing yards. You know, it's a bit inflated. A 66-yard swing pass helps you out quite a bit. That being said, expectations for me. He's a third-string quarterback who's barely practiced. I know that's his whole MO right now.

But that's every third-string quarterback's thing. He's a rookie in the league. Like, if this was J.J. McCarthy, we'd be watching meme saying like, this guy's our future, this guy's the best. Jay J.J. McCarthy plays the game that he just played. We're singing praises. So I do think he's unfairly criticized.

That's the non-dramatic take here. The dramatic take is these interviews this guy's doing. He's on pace for me personally to be the worst interviewed person ever. Like before the game being like, imagine if I have an off season. Imagine if I have practice.

It's like... So stupid, man. It was such a cringe narrative. There is no third-string quarterback that is getting reps with the ones in season. There's barely any twos that get reps with the one. Look, what are you talking about? Secondly, you didn't just light it on fire. You played the Raiders, and you have an unbelievable defense. And even before the game, like, they're going to see on the guy they've been looking for.

I know. That was insane, man. Insane. You're playing the Raiders, and you played below-average quarterback play. Did I expect it? She was looking for, like, some kind of humble, like, are you excited about this? And he just, he goes, I'm going to show him. I'm who they're looking.

And then he just walked off and left her standing there. I'll say this. Stupid, man. You just want him to like, because I do think he's got ability to play. But I'd love for him to just be like, hey, we're out of the playoffs,

you know, the Browns. We're not going to make a run. But like, I'm coming in here, bringing my lunch pail, putting my head down, and going to work and trying to win as many games to secure my future as a player in this league and for the Browns.

But instead, it's just, it's the showman. It's the theatrics. I think it takes away from, and I think there's going to be a lot of guys, if it comes down to this, if they want to keep Gabriel as their main guy in the future, there's going to be a lot of other teams. They're like, we don't want all the other stuff. And that's what happened to him on draft day.

It's like he's not going to come in here and start. We don't want the media attention. We don't want the circus. So no, we're going to pass on him. And it's just a shame that he keeps, you know, doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on this. Well, they've got the Niners next week. So you've got the Niners at home, then Tennessee at home. Again, you can get through the Niners, man.

You can put up numbers against Tennessee right now. But, yeah, we'll see. I mean, he's going to follow in the footsteps of his dad. I mean, that's just the way it's going to happen. Like Dion talked a game, but like we talked about last hour, he walked a walk. Like, Dion is an all-time great player. Yes. The second he walked into the league, it was like, look at me, but I'm going to go out and do it.

And he did it. I know what you're saying, Brian. What does his son have to do with that? Because he's followed. I think he's basically, I think he's kind of following instructions, is what I'm indicated. And that's, like, I think Dion has obviously told him, like, and it's his dad. Like, that's his mentor.

This is how you operate. This is how you work. You know, this is, it would actually be more kind of shocking if he was the complete opposite of Dion. He's like, wow, that's kind of wild. Like, Dion is larger than life. Totally. You give him a microphone.

He's going to say, I'm the greatest. Look at me. and I think Shador is obviously thinking I got to do the same thing. And I would agree with everything you said, but the glaring difference for me is it seemed to me, outside I were looking at it seems more authentic coming from Deion. Like that was actually him. Where like when I watch Shadourer's interviews,

I'm like these are so forced. They're so almost pre-planned. Like imagine if I had practice and it's like, dude, stop it. Like, you know, Dion's play beyond himself was kind of like the one thing that was like, look how great. I am and it started with his play and then he backed it up with his talk where it's like with Chardur right now you went to Colorado and yes you had success there especially given the fact that Colorado prior to him arriving was awful but you didn't win anything at Colorado

you're not a high draft pick and you're currently on the Cleveland Browns when I was playing in the locker room you know how we talked about Cleveland Browns that's where that's where careers go to die like if you're a veteran guy and you sign there you know that like yo this is the end of the line for me I'm collecting a check at the point. That's where you're at. So you can't really sit here and talk like Dion when you're on the Browns in the current state of what the Browns are.

I hear you. But I guess I'm saying, I don't think he takes that into consideration. I think he looks at it like I'm a Sanders. Yes. And whether I'm in Cleveland, Atlanta, Dallas, San Francisco, Colorado, whatever it is, this is the way we roll. Whatever he's doing. This is how we operate.

Whatever he's doing, it's working because we just spent 10 minutes talking about. And we didn't talk about Matthew Stafford and how good he plays. How great he was. There's the likely MVP. And we just talked about Shedurr Sanders. Yeah. But he's in, it's, it's intrigue, man, because Dion is one of the more fascinating figures the last 30 years in pro sports, 40 years.

That's where I totally disagree with you. It's not Dion. It's his son who's not very good. So I don't understand. I get it. I hear you. Is there anybody like Dion in the hockey? Like yesterday, I don't know how old, maybe do we can get this for us.

I don't know Dion's exact age, but it's like they zoomed to Dion, and he's got to be what, in his 50s, right? Oh, yeah. He's got the Cowboy hat on. It was drafted in the 80s. And he's got a cowboy hat on, a sweatshirt, and three gold chains. And I'm just like, at what point do we get out of that face? 58 years old.

58, that's how old is. Head coach at Colorado. I love it. Yeah, with his cowboy hat and his gold chains on. Yep, that's him, man. Is there a hockey guy you can equate to that? I don't know. I don't think so.

I don't know if there's anyone in any sport that you can equate to that. I mean, Dion is a different beast. Like, Dion Sanders is one of one. There's no one like them. Yeah, that cracked me on. All right, so you guys are on the clock here. What is the spread here? What are we locking this in on?

Come on you, you two. Seven and a half. I can't, I can't see these Al's brothers pictures. Oh, they're the worst. At 11 o'clock at night, him in a flowery shirt that Hayes sending it out. there's either the Beansy picture or there's that you haven't said the Beansy picture I know it's like it doesn't even hold weight anymore it's just Al's brother on a cruise throw up the else there's a pick in the chamber that these guys haven't seen in a while that

they might get tonight Joe from the bridge if you have the Al's brother pick post it because we're dying to see it I know it was in the chain I know he can go back and find it I want that on the screen while these guys make their pick Niners laying seven and a half at home against Carolina. I told you, Brian, that was it. Yeah, that's it right there. Get that on the big screen. Look, take a look at that picture. That was in our group set.

So beautiful. I love that guy. Look at how comfortable he is. You guys are going to try to trade that guy to me? Yeah. Well, not trade. Are you kidding me? You're getting traded to him. Forget it. Forget it. That guy's the president of football operations. Parts, this is a bit of an ugly

pick here, okay? Because I do like the Niners to win, but there's no way we can give Sam Fran with the injuries. and the situation that's going on seven and a half points. The pick here all day is Carolina. We could just get it straight up. We could backdoor this thing.

Look at him staring into your soul. You look at Sam Fran's defensive stats right now. They are not a great defense. I'm not looking at the TV. I'm not, take it off, JP. Who is it, do you? Get it out of here. Joe from the bridge.

Joe. He loves that. Ratings Crusher. Yeah, you're not kidding, man. That's Seinfeld finale type numbers. We're taking Carolina. Bryce Young's got to come through for us tonight. I get, again, I expect this thing to be somewhat close. Listen, they got a shot to go and be the division leader.

Fix and five, man. They're right there with Tampa. And Baker's hurt. And Baker's hurt. They got to keep this thing close. It's Monday night, and the next thing before I'll say this. Dave Canales and Kyle Shanahan, a lot of crossovers. I would say they come from similar coaching trees. Generally speaking, when coaches know each other in their history like this, it becomes a little bit of a chess match

which causes tighter games so I'm going to go with this one I like Carolina plus seven and a half I like it parts I want to just touch on one thing before we end the segment did you not find it disgusting how they had to come up with their own stupid hashtag hashtag back to business

how dumb is that these guys are the worst they're scumb bags this guy's got on his third different shacket in three days I love my jacket. Look at this guy. This guy's disgusting.

The Muppet. That's what he is. Dude, that guy's five-star accommodation on every cruise. I'll be very honest with you. They got the lay-up last night. Baker gets hurt, which made even worse. We got jammed by Philly. It's just unlucky.

We got jammed by first and goal from the two to go ahead and cover that spread. But dark days are over. Dark days are over. Thanksgiving is our week. It starts tonight. Put the picture back up. Don't do it. Put the picture back.

Now we go. Now we go. Now we go. Now we go. Look at that. Who's in charge of putting this up here? That guy walks into the most exclusive club on planet Earth and they say red carpet. They open the doors. They say go through the kitchen like Henry Hill.

That guy goes through. I cannot believe you just put Al's brother in the same sentence as Henry Hill. That guy goes through kitchens. That's what he does. He doesn't go through the front door, Al's brother. You right through the kitchen. That's the TSA turning point. Right in front.

You cannot, every Italian, let's sit right here. Frank Sinatra. Look at how's brother. Frank Sinatra. Yeah, Sinatra's playing, and Ows brother is right in the front, right in the middle. Look at him. Disgusting.

He's drinking an apparel sprints. I love it. Right through the kitchen. Drink it old fashion. I love it. Thanksgiving, the holiday season is where we shine. Let's go, parts. Let's go.

We're together forever. Hey, hashtag keep pounding tonight, baby. Let's go. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right, picks in. You guys are on the Panthers. Good stuff, man. Good luck.

Can't wait. That's going to be your boss in about six hours. That guy's going to be running your whole operation in about six hours. Oh, my stuff. There you go. It's beginning to sound a lot like Christmas with I-Heart the holidays. Non-stop Christmas music 24-7. all your festive favorites unwrap the magic of the season one song at a time ask your smart

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