OverDrive - Willson on the Broncos and Raiders' matchup, Stafford's league ranking and Hayes and Bro's selection

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

TSN NFL Analyst Luke Willson joined OverDrive to discuss the headlines around Week 10 in the NFL, the Cowboys adding at the trade deadline, Matthew Stafford's ranking in the league, the Broncos and Raiders' TNF matchup, Hayes and Bro's selection and more.

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Your Way Brian Hazio, Doug Jeff O'Neill Jonas Siegel in here Blue Jays Man, they look comfortable today Shapiro and Atkins We'll get to that a little bit later this hour But there's Luke Wilson

Doesn't look as comfortable That's fair What about Pudge? You ever talk to that guy again. I'll kick you right in the junk. Don't say that. Come on. You said this pudgy guy was going to make us turn a corner. He's out, dude. Come on, parts. I still believe in Pudges Picks. No, dude, you ever say Pudges Picks on this show again? No way, man.

This is, we've been saying it all afternoon. This is prime time and we don't do Pudges Picks. We don't do Pudges Picks. I don't know what you guys are doing, man. Dude, we're on life support, bro. Like, we are on life support. I mean, I understand. We're nine back. Yeah, and we're seeing the board very clearly. We're seeing the board pretty well tonight, too, I think. And the tough part was from the snap of the football,

the Cowboys had no chance in covering that Monday night. Yet they went all in at the trade deadline for some reason. Can you reason with that? My reasoning is that Jerry Jones doesn't have a clue what he's doing. Like, that's what I always fall back on. Yeah. Like, they stink. They're terrible.

They're not catching the Eagles. Maybe they could be a wildcourt team. They have no chance of being competitive in the playoffs. It's like a joke to him now. It is, though. Like, they stink. And you didn't sign Parsons, and then you go get Quinn and Williams. Okay, you know, good player.

Very good player. Very good player. But you also got Kenny Clarks. You got two interior players. You still can't stop the run. Like, they stink. You said it where I'm like, the weird thing about doing this and going on in for this season is, I believe, they're 3, 5 and 1 right now.

They've got, in my opinion, minimal to no shot at catching Philadelphia. So now you're looking at wild cards. And let's start the NFC West. You've got Seattle and L.A. that I think are both locks to make the playoffs, barring something catastrophic having. The Niners are the wild card because they've got six wins, but they're obviously decimated by injury.

But your three wins back of them as well. So now it's like, okay, let's say the Niners do fall off. You look at the NFC North now. In my opinion, the Packers and the Lions are both going to make the playoffs. So there's your second wildcard spot. So now we're all fighting on a third wildcard spot, which theoretically you could make if you're Dallas. You'd have to win a ton from here on out. But Carolina's in there.

I know it's kind of nuts to say, but they've got five wins. They've been good. Chicago's in there. San Francisco's in there. Minnesota's in there. So again, it's just a weird play because at this point of the season, like it's the opposite in the AFC. I think that seventh spot in the AFC is going to get real greasy. I think nine wins does it.

but in the NFC, I think you're going to have to win 10. Yeah, the way it's pacing out right now, that's exactly what's going to have to happen. So they need to get seven more wins. Right, which I don't see happening. I don't see happening. I don't see happening either, but there's been a lot of things I don't see happen. Well, and the thing is, like on Monday, Jacoby Brissette, who played pretty well, and he's been pretty decent recently, and now Kyler Murray's got some mysterious long-term foot injury

that's going to keep. Oh, come on. That just screams, A, he's in bust territory. Maybe he was there before, but that's the first overall pick. I think he was before, but now I think he's in what territory? Bust. Oh, that was a long time ago, wasn't it? I guess so, I guess so, but now it's official.

And now, like, something doesn't smell right. Like, this guy won't accept backing up or, I don't know what's going on, but it feels like to me, if you're Arizona, you just got to cut bait. And then what happens with Kyler Murray? what's strange to me is that it's a very similar situation to Russ and I think that everyone has learned from the Russ situation

in the sense of hey there are all these coaches Tomlin, Dable to degree I wouldn't blame Sean Payton because he wasn't there when they got him but there are all these guys that are like oh you know we can kind of manipulate Russ or take him to the next level or bring him you know to whatever he wants to go to his career

and it simply obviously has not worked out and a lot of teams have lost a lot of money on that where I'm like, after seeing what happened to Russ and they do have some similarities, who goes out and pays Kyler Murray? I hope it's not the New York Jets. I'll put it to you that way. I really hope it's not them.

For Jets fans. I don't know. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the way that they operate. Go ahead. So the last couple of years, you haven't really been fanboying over your old team, the Hawks because, you know, they were just kind of average,

but they look really, Like, yeah, like, how real deal are they, in your opinion? Like, are you in contact with your connections there? Like, how good should they be feeling, man? They're, you know, you look at even their two losses here. One, Baker shredded them. Now, they were beat up that game, but Baker shredded a lot of teams. And the second one was the Sam Fran, who was healthy,

and they were driving the field, and Nick Bosa, again, when he was healthy, had a strip sack fumble that won in that game. Week one, I think, wasn't it? So, yeah, they're the real deal parts. And beyond that, if I had to do my power rankings right now in the NFC, I would still put L.A. a little bit in front of them? No, dude. Don't Matt Stafford me right now.

I mean, they're the same record except, look, they're that good. We're with the Hawks. We need to start thinking clearly, man. We're with the Hawks. I mean, I'm not against going with the Hawks. Yeah. Listen, I think they've got a lot of similarities. It's like a defense that, you know, I don't know how many average fans are pointing to specific players

and saying, I know this guy, I know that guy, but they play well. Leonard Williams has been phenomenal up front, you know, and then on the back end, when Witherspoon's been healthy, he's been awesome. I do worry about the secondary at times, but with that defensive line and a defensive head coach, but the bigger story to me, which I don't know how this flies under the radar, has been Sam Darnal and Jassette. Yeah. You know, Nathan Jigba has been really good.

man. He is up for offensive player of the year at this point and the other one that I was kind of giggling about but I'm looking online and I think there's a world where he's in the outside looking in but like Sam Darnold's in the MVP conversation outside looking in. Well at a minimum what he's done is proven that it

wasn't just Kevin O'Connell who could make him sing. Totally. Right? That was the belief that it was get him out of Minnesota and watch out. Where I do get a little anxious and this is just me being honest is you go back to last year of Sam Donald down the stretch

when they really wanted him to kind of make those throws. It got real ugly. Detroit exposed him badly. You know, and you look at this year, two-minute drive against Sam Fran. That's not his fault. Strip-sack fumble. But then fast forward, the game they lost against Tampa

and, excuse me, in Baker. It was like, I don't know if you remember how that game ended. He threw a ball off buddy's head on a checkdown. You're saying he could see ghosts at times still? I still in there. To me, the last, the final piece of that puzzle for me to put the stamp as like this team as a contender is being in a really tight game and Sam Darnel goes and wins it for them. That would be the final stamp for me. Well, I think what is a legitimate question is, and it's a legitimate debate that I think everyone would have a different ranking on is who's the best quarterback in the NFC?

Matthew Safford. You would say it's 100% Stafford? I mean, who else you put up there? guy, man. How can I know? He's been phenomenal. At the time I've known you, I've never heard you talk so knowingly about any other player in the national football. That's very fair.

I think he deserves it. I guess, you know, okay. Who else? You're not going to hear Jaylon Hurts. What about Baker? Baker's up there. Baker's right there. Jay Love.

What about Jerry Goff? Get out of here. I love Jared Goff. I love Jared Goff, but he's not. He's not up there right now. Okay. I mean, he's one of the best, let's call top seven quarterbacks in the NFL. Dak?

I think Jaden Daniel. When he was healthy, he was going to be there. He's had a great year. But, Dak, you can't put up. For me, I just, I can't do it. Can you love with losses to Cleveland and Carolina? But love, man, love... He's got the...

He does not turn the ball over. He never turns the ball over. He's incredibly efficient. Let me ask you this. If you're in the NFC right now and you're doing one game. I think I would take Stafford. I think you're right. Did you see the no-look pass he had down the field last week?

He still got it. It was one of the... Not a check day. Okay, where would Stafford rank in the AFC? Like if he were in the AFC, you put him on... Four, five? You're not putting him over Josh Allen. You're not putting over Patty Mahomes.

No. What about Drake? Or a healthy Lamar. Healthy Lamar, no. Drake May is the wild card. For me, if it's a one-game situation, I'm going to a veteran. Obviously, franchise, you're going younger guy. What about Herbert?

No. But I love Herbert, but no, I'm taking Stafford. That might be a bit of grief. What about a healthy... That Herbert will break your heart every time. Yeah, it's right. I fall in love with it, and he will break your heart every damn time. How about...

What about Aaron Rogers, baby? I was just about Aaron. I was just about to say, what about Arod? I'm still taking staff, but Aaron, you look this year, I think Aaron's fourth right now in the league and touchdowns thrown and Stafford's what, second? Well, D.K., like Seattle moved off DK because they knew what they had, you know... KSEN has been out of... I mean, he won two with Jamar Chase right now as best receiver in the game, in my opinion. Yeah? I mean, I think Jefferson is tough to...

Jefferson with a better quarterback. I can't evaluate him because he's throwing. Like Jefferson, to me, is the most complete out of all of them, just because it's with the size. But right now, with, you know, McCarthy and then prior to that, Carson Wentz, you know, the numbers are going to obviously do it. Yeah. Yeah, true enough. All right. Well, what about tonight?

And we've got to battle the AFC West. Your boy, Pete Carroll, on the road. He's got a final way to get Vegas. I know. And we're going to get to my guy in just a moment. It's a huge spread. It feels like Denver's a lot. We need.

Well, it's eight and a half. It's eight and a half Denver at home. Parts, we need Pudge, man. We need Pudge this weekend. We need to be using Pudge so that we'll lose is what you're saying. We need to go to Puck. Parch, the guy was on Pluto, man. Give him a break.

He's a loud one L. I saw the video you sent me. He is on Pluto and he's never coming back on the show again. I talked to a guy who is from Southwestern Ontario that knows Pudge. And he just said he was flabbergasted. You went to that? Like he was shocked. Who do you know in Southwest Windsor?

You know him, too. He's a mutual front of ours. Parts, we needed a slump. Buster and Pudge provided that for us. It's common practice. We're going to go on a tear now. All right. Don't worry, parts.

They're losing out. Down on the sunbelt. We do need a big weekend, though. I think this is the one we need. Let's start with today. Well, I feel like Denver, like Denver's in a very good place to win the game, clearly. I mean, they're seven and two.

Outside of the Dallas game, though, they've played a lot of close games. You know, they've had an interesting run where it hasn't been overly convincing yet. this was somewhat predictable this year, that they have a really good defense, that the belief was your young quarterback grows in year two. I mean, I don't know what to think of Denver. It's very hard. But just projecting what they are and whether or not you think they're legitimately a competitive team, the record would suggest, yes, they are.

Totally. The defense is that good. Their defense is the real deal. I know he's injured, but Certain, obviously, is the best corner in the game. The strange one has been Bo Nix, because I think he's led like four. game-winning drives this year, and he's been immaculate in the fourth quarter, but he's been very, you know, kind of stagnant, non-impressive for the other three-quarters on a lot of these matchups.

So that's what gets a bit strange for me is I'm like, you're waiting for Bo Nix to take that step, you know, maybe not as big of a Drake May step, but you're like, hey, this guy is legit, and he is legit, but there are moments, there are flashes when you see what he could be, and he's done it at great times in the four quarter. But then there are these lulls in their offense where you're like, man, this is really tough. You trust him in a nail-biter against a real quality opponent? That's the question. No, I do not.

And you know who he's going to play. Like if he gets into the playoffs, it's going to be at Buffalo or it's going to be against Kansas City. It's going to be, you know, maybe against Aaron Rogers. The strange one of Pete is one, I can't remember the last time Pete's done this much losing. Even our time in Seattle, like the one year we missed the playoffs. kind of the mass exodus, we were 9 and 7. You know, that was a bad year back then. Really tough, man.

Would you ever text them parts and say, man, you lose a lot these days? Absolutely not. I would never text him. You would never because, I don't know, what would you text him, if anything? Would he even respond? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Pete would definitely respond, and their offensive line coach is his son.

And I talked to Brennan. Brennan is, he would love the overdrive. Let's put it that way. Unbelievable guy. One of my favorites. But I think they're all a bit shell-shocked on how the season's gone. I really believe that they thought with Genty coming in, they were going to

establish a run game. They have the arguably the best pass catching tight-in in the NFL in Bowers. What about the quarterback? And that's where I think the kind of dip has been is Gino has had some good numbers here and there, but the turnovers have been egregious. Which is nuts because you look at their quarterbacks in the past few years and it's like he's got to be better than them.

Yeah. Is he? He's kind of jammed him up and they paid him. So like this is where it gets funky is, you know, I don't really know where they go. Like, pick it is, Kenny Picket. Mr. what do you call him? Cabbage hands? Yeah. Is the backup.

Yeah, cabbage hands. Cabbage fingers. Got small hands. But what I would say it's going to be interesting is I think it's week two for Tyler Lockett. Like, I could see this game getting a little greasy for Gino, and the difference is going to be with the spread. I mean, I think Denver wins, is it going to be whether or not Gino throws picks

or Gino makes magic, like, that they've lost Jacobi Myers. So to assume that Tyler Lockett's role is going to grow a bit, and he's a great off-schedgitue guy. Can he turn back the clock? Like, I don't know. I'll also say this. Pete has generally been good on Thursday nights, at least when I was with him.

We were pretty solid. I think he had a really good formula on how to prep for these short weeks. So, yeah, go take Vegas for us, Big Dog. Okay. What is this guy doing? How's brother? Where is this car? Where are you right now?

Yeah, I'm at the Sport Code Expo for the weekend, and I've had at least six hazes of frauds and at least four stars. Four to seven people ask me, hey, what's the spread tonight? And I keep telling them, five o'clock, make sure you're tuned into OD. We got the pick. We're on the clock, and we're ready to go. So you left your booth unattended? You left your booth unattended to come out to make the pick?

No, I didn't get a booth today. I'm just walking around being a patron, so I just walked out of the show, went in the car, and the lighting isn't the greatest. The sun's obviously going down, but we're here, boys, and we're ready to make a pick. It's all good, man. I do have a small, this is a truthful story. It really broke my heart. Right before I came here,

so about 45 minutes ago, I was picking up a couple shirts from the dry cleaners. Guy, he actually startled me, gets me in the parking. He's like, hey, he shakes my hand. He's like, I'll watch you guys every day. He's like, I was a big Steelers guy. Really nice man.

I'm right at the end, he's like, man, you had some really bad picks this year. Oh, that hurts, man. It stinks when that happens. That's real tough. It's not fun. It's not fun. It's not fun when you're getting cat calls out in public.

Yeah. I've been there. We've been there, Hey, Z. We've been there. We've been there, hey, we've been there. We've been there right now, though, man. I love you teasing it, man. That car depot. That's our demo. That's where we explode, man. We explode with the Card Depot crowd. Joe, can you believe this, man? I've been here for an hour. Four people have come up to me already. Hayes is a fraud. Like, yep, that's my party, though. That's right. That's my party.

Plus nine, man, not very fraudulent when it comes down to that. All right, AB, give us some tremendous information. Denver laying eight and a half at home tonight. Mile High City playing Vegas. Where are you at? Yeah. Yeah, I just don't know how they cover that number. I mean, the formula is simple. It's a short week. It's a divisional game. And it's a large spread. More than a touchdown, that's insane. I know that Denver's winning a lot of games right now. They've won five, six in a row. But really, only four or one of those games, they've been able to cover by more than four points.

They've all been very, very tight. Very, very low. Do the light go out? Al's brother is going incognito. Are you in, like, protection or something? Where are you, Ellis Brother? No, the lights just went off in the car. Okay. It's all good, man.

We got you. This is actually great TV. Please continue with your tremendous information. House Brother is in witness protection. In a Hyundai Pony. Yes. I'm telling you, though, I think Denver's going to win. I think Luke is right.

Denver's going to win. but that's just, that spreads way too big. And let's be honest, man. Brock Bowers showed last week why he is one of the best tight ends in football. So it's pretty simple for me. I mean, eight and a half is just far too big. That's a massive, massive spread. So I think the Raiders, I think they can cover it.

I'm with you on this. I think this is a tight end special, your boy. Brock is back. He was phenomenal last week. Like, phenomenal, man. I think Bowers goes off. I think Gino connects. I think Genti actually has a bit of,

of a night, bit of a night, moving the sticks. That's all we need, Al's brother. There's the lighting. I love it. It looks phenomenal. And Denver is not a team that blows other teams out. And I'm, you know who's always been my guy? This is a true story. I've never said this before. Oh, God. Always been a Pete Carroll guy.

Always been a Pete Carroll guy. Always. Always been a Pete Carroll guy. That's my guy. That's my guy. Stop Pistol Pete. I want to establish. Somebody kicked their ass a couple weeks ago.

What was the score? Yeah, they're not very good. Parts, I'm very surprised. What was it? 31 to nothing. That's erroneous. 31 to nothing they lost. And then two weeks before that, 40 to 6.

Erroneous. That was to the Molls. Arobes. Dude, I don't know. They suck. They suck. I'm shocked, you guys. I thought I came here today being like,

damn, I'm having to sweat out trying to cover eight and a half points with the Raiders. No, man. I love a backdoor cover tonight. You're going backdoor. It could be a backdoor. back door. I don't care how it is, man.

Front door, back, door, side door. We're going to see Kenny pick it. I mean, in the second half, and you guys are going to, this might be the worst pick in the history of overdrive. Oh, man. This line's coming down. Have you forgotten how great this defense is? Yeah, Denver's been good. They don't blow teams out. I'll do a side five hunch. No pot for real side five hunch.

You want it? With me or the witness protection? The Hyundai Pony. You and the Hyundai Pony. Let's take the action, Hazy Pee. Let's take the action. Let's put a stack of cards on that, I love that idea. A Gretzky rookie and Fivehunge. And the Hyundai Pony.

Put the pony on the line. I'm looking for a Jeff O'Neill card this weekend. I'm going to have it. I'll have that Jeff O'Neill card, and we'll show it on Monday. Please do. Find it. All right, Alas, brother. Watch yourself there, dude.

There's going to be a lot of people wondering what the pick is. I guess now that it's official, you can go out and be amongst your people and let everyone know we're taking the points tonight. Well, it was like 502. I was absolutely deep into a box and someone's like, don't you have a pick to make today? And I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, to the car. I know, they were saying that.

I was like, we don't have an old brother yet. And I thought to myself, like, where is he? At a car depot? Professionalists is these guys, they don't realize we're only in week nine. We got a lot of ball to play. Yes, we've got to win some games, but clearly they've let their guard down. They don't know how to finish. We'll cloth you back this week and look out.

I could understand if he was in some champagne room or something, but just buried his head into a rookie card box of sports cards. Unacceptable for being laid on over the bad omen. Potentially bad omen. All right, A. B. I don't think so, boys. I like it, man. We're plus nine on the front nine, Hazy B.

That's right. We'll finish strong on the back nine. That's right. Pete Carroll, though. I totally agree. Pete Carroll. You can't win the game in the second quarter. Can't win the game in the first half, can you?

You can't? But the second half starts tonight, we're with our boy, Pistol Pete. man we love pistol tonight all right a b get back at it man what are you searching for like what are we looking for modern cards old school what would be a big fine for you tonight

yeah yugio more so some modern i want to get me I do want to get me a nice little old dog card if I can find something with the oh i think that'd be cool but uh I'm on the hunt for a nice crosbie patch auto so if anyone's going to be there over the weekend you run into me you want to move one

let me know all right in the market house brothers in the market and hunting for a Sydney Crosby card. Oh, yeah. I love it. All right, A.B. Good stuff, pal. We'll catch you tomorrow. All right, boys. Go raiders. Oh, brother. Live from a sports car depot

in witness protection. That's good lighting. That'll boost it. Oh, I guess Luke, you're out of here, too. I love Joe's, Joe from the bridge has no respect for you right now. Like, he just completely cut you out of the picture. Yeah, because Joe jammed me the other day. Did he? Yeah, he jammed.

He had an incident. He hasn't talked to me. Oh, that's right. He hasn't talked to me since. You had that technical issue. Yeah, yeah. He did jam you out pretty well. Now he's mad at me.

Now he just cuts you out of the picture completely without a goodbye. What a scumbag play. That's unfortunate. He's usually very objective. Yeah. Joe from the bridge wants everyone to be happy and everyone to win. All right, man. We'll catch you tomorrow.

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