OverDrive - Willson on the Chiefs' successful rise, the NFC contenders and MNF picks

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

TSN NFL Analyst Luke Willson joined OverDrive to discuss the headlines from Week 7 in the NFL, the Chiefs gaining steam in the AFC, the NFC's top contenders on the list, Hayes and Bro and O'Win Willson's selection for the Monday Night Football matchups and more.

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Parts, we're the Giants. We're the Giants in the fourth quarter. No, not parts. Listen, it's very, very early. I'm hoping we get two tonight. I hope we get doggies jammed us with a tough couple, tough games. And you've got to tip your cap, you know? They flip the coin like they normally do, and they're on a street.

You guys are on street. Listen, we're getting calls literally from people all over the world it's analytics you know it's just analytics you're gonna get you're gonna get yeah the whales who's the whale man we actually made me laugh we had a whale from Singapore call me up that I want to fly you guys out set you up penthouse four seasons million each a million each up front run the whole operation yeah is that right I said lose my number don't ever call me again we're only doing this for overdrive we only do it for overdrive Hayes and bro right on so we're not going to be enticed I know people to step in and run in their whole operation.

We're not going to do it. You guys are on fire. We are seeing the board very clearly. Very clearly. Now we're betting on good teams. The Rams are a good team. The Colts are a good team. That's kind of the way things have played out. Yeah. Is, you know, the best team

generally wins, generally covers. Yesterday I thought we were going to split. Going into the Sunday nighter, you know, we had the Eagles covering, and I'm like, with one and a half, I'm like, the Falcons will cover the spread. The Niners have been so impressive, man. To their credit, all those injuries.

Yeah, and you said this, this is one thing that I'm obviously not a Niners guy, but I just like love this about football is, you know, we love to glorify the megastars, which rightfully so, like there's guys in league that can just do some unbelievable things. But you look at the Niners right now, and you want to talk about, like, football, like just why people love football, you lose Fred Warner, you lost Nick Bosa later, your defense wasn't touted as an elite unit, you know, coming into the year anyways.

And Rob Salah, who was just basically cast away with the Jets operation, which doesn't really say much if you're falling the Jets right now, you just see like everybody's playing for like the brotherhood, the camaraderie. I mean, they stonewalled Bejohn yesterday.

Bejon averaged 2.9. That guy might be the best runner right now in the game. You know, obviously with the night McCaffrey had up there, I think he still holds the crown, but Bejon is up there with Seekwon with Jonathan Taylor with CMC, you know, And it's just like this defense that has been smoked,

punch the Falcons in the mouth. And we lost, we're 10 and 11 right now. We're 10 and 11. Yeah, and we're 12, 8, and 1 and just getting cooking, really. But it's a long... So I want to ask you a little bit about the Brotherhood because we were talking about, and I know you check in with your Leafs once in a while,

about how they seem to the persona about them is they're not really into the Brotherhood and they're into points and goals and stuff. Like, what is the NFL version? of really caring about the brotherhood. Is that just next man up, I got to go do my job or caring or what is it? Yeah, it's a combination of things, but to me it all starts and ends with accountability. And I do believe it's obviously hard to quantify, but the teams that we went further,

the first two years when we won it and then lost and last play, you just had this sense that a lot of people gave a crap, if you will, more about something bigger than themselves. And I know it sounds sentimental, but it was like you showed up on game day and you wanted success for other guys in your team and you wanted success for your coaching staff and you just cared and you were accountable to the team. Or later on in my career, you know, the year, I think when you were in 10, 5 and 1, then there was a 10 and 6 and there was a 9 and 7.

And it's like, man, we're better than these records. I at least felt that way. But it became very individual. Like, okay, you know, who's going to get all pro? you know, we're going to have an MVP this year. We don't like it that so-and-so got paid and this guy didn't. And like you said, it now becomes, or it's like it's not about the team. It's about me then the team.

In that level accountability, it just like doesn't, I don't know, it'd be like in that fourth quarter when it's a tight game and you have that brotherhood or that camaraderie, you kind of looked around and say to yourself, like, we're going to find a way to get this done. I always go to like one of the weirdest sideline moments of my career that sticks out like crazy

was in the NFC championship game against the 49ers. Our defense was balling. Kaepernick was struggling that game and we had had a chance to go and score a touchdown to basically make a two score game late in this game off a turnover defense

and the game would have been done. And we end up getting stonewalled I think it was a three and out. We kick a field goal to go up six. And it come off the field and there's two minutes left. And I'm looking at another tight inner team, and I'm like, man, like, we just failed. And he looked at me and said, like, don't worry, man. Like, our defense has got us.

And as Kaepernick's drive in the field, I'm looking at him, like, we just blew it ourselves. And he kept happening being like, dude, trust the Legion of Boom. They're going to make a play for us. They knew how badly we had executed there. And, I mean, everyone knows what happened there at the tip to Sherm. Malcolm Smith is a guy who's on a household name. But he was a guy where I'd say, like, was just always about the team. I ended up getting MVP of Super Bowl next week.

I know it's a bit long-witted parts, but to me, that was kind of a brotherhood moment where you just depend on each other. Right. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, when you're winning, like, the vibes are... Yes. Got to be electric. Like, obviously, the Jays are going into game seven tonight, and they've won three of their last four. They win big last night.

They're at home. You think they get it done? I do. Yeah, I kind of think they're going to win tonight. I do. I'm with you. I think they're going to win tonight. But it's been... You worry about Beber? Not necessarily. Not like,

they got Kirby on the mound for the Mariners. And the Jay's destroyed him in game three. I'd be more concerned if I was a mariner fan based on the starting pitching. When you get to the bullpen, that's a different story. If you're a Mariners guy, I think you want it to be close. Like, the thing with Jay's is when they get hot, it's like the game's blowout.

Exactly. They score so many runs. If it's a close game and the bullpins get in, I'd be a little like... Advantage Seattle. Yeah. That's where I worry about it. Because I worry that Hoffman. Like, I was nervous seeing that guy. Like I was actually nervous, I don't know why, just because you weren't sure what you're going to get.

So you got a good, you know, good performance last night. If you see him again tonight, you're going to be able to follow that up with it. I don't know if he can go against tonight. It seems like whoever can tack on the runs and get that four, five, and six. It's like they win the game usually. Yeah, totally. Whoever jumps on it first offensively is usually the winner, man. That's right.

Yeah, it's basically been a pace car series. I mean, for the most, game one was a low event game other than that. It's just been who can hit more home runs. Great for in this country. One of the things you guys noticed, but I played a little baseball back in the day, people don't realize that, like, Canada has had a lot of successful MLB players and is kind of low-key, like obviously we're a hockey country, but baseball Canada has been awesome on the world stage numerous times,

and we've put out a ton of great MLB players. I mean, one of them is playing the series in Josh Naler. Absolutely. He's been good, too, man. He's been great. Yep, he had a home run last time. Dude, that home run spino-rama was off-size. He, like, spun around and it was just like, all right.

At first I was like, did he think that was going foul? Because he didn't move or anything. And then the replay, it's like he did like a 360. He knew it. He knew it. And he had fans. I think he had family, like, up behind their dugout. He keeps pointing to them every time he gets on base.

Again, though, like you look at Joey Votto, Canadian. Yeah. Morneau, obviously, he's not playing. But more no is a Canadian. Larry Walker's in the Hall of Fame. Absolutely legend. Like, we've had as a country a lot of guys. Lottie Grove Jr., born in Montreal, Quebec.

And I love Lattie, man, last night. He said he's born for this. And, like, I appreciate that, but now he's got to go out and do it again tonight. Yeah, what he's done throughout the Yankee series and this series, like even if he doesn't have a night tonight, this gets back to what you just said. You hope someone else lifts him up. Totally. Right?

Like, if he has an off night, strikes out a couple of times, goes one for five or, 0 for 5 or something like that. Don't let him go out that way if you're his teammates. I'll tell you who's lifting him up right now. Ernie Clement. Who is this guy? Dude, he's a stud. Only Vladdy has more hits in the playoffs than Ernie

Clement. Ernie Clement comes up every time he's at the plate. I'm like, here's a double. He's getting on base. Well, how much cake does that guy make? I would love to know what that guy's contract. He could probably make 700 grand. It's not a lot of money. That's probably what it is. There's something egregious like league minimum

and then he got Vladdy making 50 1.9 million so like combined they're making yeah 51.9 million for Clement's OPS is over

1,100 like he only does get on base. Yeah, he's incredible. Ernie Clement is an absolute stud so in terms of what went right in the NFL there's a lot because it was kind of, I found this was a week where

feels like teams are going down different roads. Totally. Like, the Chiefs look really good. Take the records out of it. You were to ask me right now my number one team in the AFC,

it's the Kansas City Chiefs. And there's a pretty big gap between two for me. Oh, boy. Yeah. I mean, I'm trying to think of who. Like, they were, and granted, they're playing the Raiders.

But with Rishie Rice in the fold, so you roll out there right now with a much better O'Line than last year, you go Rishie Rice, Xavier Worthy, Hollywood Brown, Travis Kelsey, as you're starting for. And now you have the gadget guys

and Tyquan Thornton who's going to go down the field, make... And then on the flip side, and I know they were a couple weeks ago they struggle against the Jags, but a lot of that was penalties. I don't think anybody believes that Steve Spagnolo won't be able to create a defense that is above average, or better.

Like, who are you putting in front of them in the AFC right now? Indy would be my only other one. Yeah, and Indy, again, I continue to look at them and say, nah, I don't believe it yet. They went in there and destroyed the Chargers yesterday. The Chargers are in big trouble. Denver has been very shaky. Very shaky. Unbelievable fourth quarter.

Agreed. I told you about the Chargers Hayes and you wouldn't believe it. You were like the charges are the real deal, new coach. They always do this, man. They always do this. Their offensive line is a joke. Like Herbert's running for his life. Look, they've started 3 and 0 all against divisional opponents, including Kansas City and Brazil. They lost both tackles. Yes, in camp. Yes, so that's why it's like, it's as tough.

And again, it's not fun to say, but like I thought Pittsburgh could maybe be a little nasty. They looked now granted. Mike Tomlin's historically bad on Thursday nights. But that defense, which has been the strength of their team, has not looked great all year. Now you go to Buffalo. It sounds like, Buffalo now they're on a buy, so they're not involved in the conversation this week. I still think Buffalo, I think it's imperative. up with that top seed.

The way the Patriots are rolling right now. Yeah, they look pretty good. Like, they look, you know, it's Tennessee, but still, they look good yesterday. They were what, 5 and 2? Yeah. Like, it's, we have the tie break as of now. It's good for the league, but there's a lot of parity this year on both sides. Even the NFC.

You know, who's your NFC top dog right now? Is it the Rams? To me, yeah, Detroit is still there. The Packers, like. Rams of 5 and 2, two losses, both because they're, kicker. You know, the Philly game? You all remember that, kicking debacle?

They lost an OT against the Niners where they missed an extra point, and they missed a field goal and went to overtime and loss. But I mean, do I feel like, man, the Rams are the clear-cut one? No, I wouldn't feel that way either. It's a long season. Yes.

And, like, I can tell you, Green Bay, you know, Lafleur takes a ton of heat from this fan base, but all he does is find a way to win. Yeah. Always. Or one-on-one, right? Yeah.

And, like, his lifetime record is exceptional. And Parsons was flying. yesterday. Lion. Now, you know, Jacobi Brissette, the Cardinals are a mess. I don't know what it's worth

in the future. I think it probably means, it's a good sign because the guy we're talking about. But that's going to be the question. I still think Green Bay is lurking. I think they're lurking and they have a chance by the end of the year

to be much better than they are today. The strangest thing for me right now, and it's funny how this is going, because everybody is the Eagles and where to put them. Everyone's talking about Jalen Hertz. But Jalen Hertz to me has been the same guy he's been. like he's never been a true pocket passing go through my progression dissect the defense guy and he had some great numbers yesterday you know a lot of that a j brown and devontos

smith big plays of them but take out hurts for sec the eagles defense has not been as dominant as they were last year last year that unit was unbelievable yes but the big one that's crazy is that sayquan in the run game has been horrible Take Juan in the run game has been gone from one of the best rushing offenses in the history of the NFL to below average thus far through 60s. How does that happen, though? Like he was easily the best player in the league last year. Yes, they're a little banged up at O-Line, but the reality is the new offensive coordinators. He's not the same guy.

But he's just like, whatever is happening, to me I look at this, I'm like, that staff with the new OC, the message is not getting to the plight. players the same way, because there's no way a runner like Saquan, and having some the talent they still do on the offensive line should be having the rush games that they're having right now. I knew it's coming. I knew I'm like, coming.

That's why the first star, Al-Bradur. No interest in Singapore, huh? We turn it down, right? Al's brother, we have integrity. Yeah, we're not sell-outs, like some people on this panel. We are sticking to the OD brand.

The Tostitos thing, I was dying laughing. What is that about? Am I missing something with that? Him and Jay. He's on Tostitos commercials now, him and J. Him and J are the face of Tostitos. They are. Partsy.

We're doing the Tocito stuff, and I read this text from these numpties right here. Call me a sell-out. We turn down Singapore. This guy can't turn down a lucrative Tostitos campaign. We're focused on making picks. He's focused on show. Chips.

Like, I don't know what else to cash is king, boys. That's why we're making it. We're making it with picks. He's making it with chips. Picks over chips. Picks over chips. That's right. TG. TG, man. TG.

All right. So we both get to pick a game tonight. And they're tough games. Like, Alice Brother, you and I, we're on a board first, Tampa at Detroit. This is a big profile game. Like massive profile game. Yeah. Both teams are beating up. Bucks. It's down to five and a half. So bucks are getting

five and a half. Lions laying five and a half in Detroit tonight. Al's brother, where is your head out with this game? Can I ask you something real quick? Go ahead. And I'm not trying to lead you astray here. Were you surprised by this line? Yes, in terms of it being too high in favor of Detroit? Is that what you're suggesting? The way

Tampa's been playing, I get their injuries. But so is Detroit, especially in their secondary. Yes. And Detroit has not been flawless this year. And historically, Baker's done very, very well against Detroit. Yes, they do. Yes, he has. He loves for a field. Well, that might actually jinx us and go the opposite way. I'm just letting you guys know I would take the bucks.

Uh-oh. That's like Vladdy walking in with the math. Are you being serious? Because I would definitely take the bucks. I would take the bucks, right? I don't know if you're being serious or not, though. I would take the bucks. These guys are in such a dark place.

Five and a half points. He's going against a beat-up secondary. Mike Evans is back? I'm taking the bucks all day. I know. I was brother. Clear the mechanism. Don't listen to these idiots.

Where is your head out? You know, like, the number was six and a half, up until about 14 minutes ago. I'm not sure what happened. The Doogie Special goes, you know, they get a hold of the people at Fanduant all of a sudden Detroit finds an extra point here. But look, I think we still got to stick to our process and stick to our gut here, Hayes. I mean, this number does seem a little fishy, but it does seem just a bit too high. Baker Mayfield has been playing some good ball.

Like, he didn't have God. Winter Evans last week, and they still went up and put up 30 points over a pretty good, you know, defense in San Francisco. And you look at him on the road in his entire career with the Bucks. He's nine and two as a road dog against the spread in a Bucks uniform, nine and two. And a lot of that is because of the fourth quarter heroics and that little backdoor cover. And that's what I love tonight, a nice backdoor cover against Detroit. I don't know if they got enough to win this game, but five and a half points I think we've got to take the dogs once again

here. Yeah, I'm with you man. The Bucks feel like a team of destiny right now. Like the way they've been beaten up, the Baker-Mayfield story, they're getting MVP love from you too. The Chip King, you're calling out, you think he might be in the lead right now. Call me the Chip King. The Chip King.

The Chip King. You got Baker if you were to put forth a MVP vote right now. Would he be number one on that list? Yeah, probably. Danny Dimes. Danny Dimes is up there. Dimes. First off, Stop saying that. That guy doesn't exist anymore.

It's Indiana Jones. You are not a Colts fan if you're going to call him Danny Dimes. Someone posted a great tweet of, remember Usual Suspects, verbal kint at the end, how he turned. That's Danny Dimes. He starts walking. Yes, turning into Indiana Jones. He's leaving New York, and then all of a sudden he's Kaiser Soze. Like, this is one, I get that situations are always different.

But how is it that Danny Dimes was so horrid in New York? And he's, we're talking about him. an MVP error. Because the Giants are a joke. The Jets are a joke. The Browns are a joke. I'm with you, but that's still a pretty stark contrast. I get it. It's just, it's thrown to the wolves too early with a bad team, bad mojo, toxic environment, horrible ownership, everything across the board.

Just crazy. And you have to be such a special person to find a way to elevate beyond that. Too, no kidding. A lot of people just disappear. Yeah. Well, Luke, go ahead. Is this more, is this more, you know, does this look? more badly on Anthony Richardson or the New York Giants?

Because I look at that Colts team, and Anthony Richardson, they couldn't do anything with that guy. Meanwhile, it's pretty much the same core. It's brought in a new quarterback, and all of a sudden, they're the best team in football. I would say Giants, but it's a good argument. The only reason is because Anthony Richardson is so young. You know, sometimes it takes a while for that position. But I don't get how, obviously, Jackson Dart has really sparked the New York, really sparked the NFL. But I don't get how you let a guy like Daniel.

I get why you let him go because things weren't going well, but I don't get how all of a sudden one year removed this man is six and one in the AFC and not slowing down. I give indie credit for pulling the trigger on naming him the starter. Don't you think a lot of organizations would have just said, been cowards about it? Yeah, they would have said, we got this young stud and he's our guy, even though he pulled the plug on our whole team last year, he's still the guy. and the world of entitlement, they wouldn't have done it.

I agree. They did it, man. And I'm telling you, no, this is not a majority thought or majority favorite thought, but I think that the owner there, what's her name again, the lady there? The Ursaid. Ursaid. Hersey. Being on the sideline.

I love that. Let's be accountable. Hey, yeah, sure. Like you said, we drafted Anthony Richardson. We put a lot of resources into him. This guy's better. He's going to give us a better chance to when he's playing. All right.

Well, six and one. We're on the box tonight. Locking in, Alex, brother. A lot of people listening. Now people check in to wonder what they have to fade. You guys are on the clock. You guys are on the clock with this second game. What do we got?

Seattle. What's the spread here, doggie? Three points. Wow, laying three at home to Houston? Yeah, Houston's offense. Explain this line. To me, this is a slam dunk, man. Yeah, just say it, Parsi.

We're going with the Hawks at home. Caca! What? Let's explain yourself. I need to hear that. Those brothers flabbergasted by the. that play. Let's hear it.

Let's hear it, man. Well, have you seen the Houston offense over the last couple of weeks? Who have they played the last couple weeks? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. This is your guy. Who have Seattle played? It doesn't matter.

Look at Seattle's wins. Seattle has won, and they've played who? Jacksonville, Arizona, New Orleans, and Pittsburgh. All of those teams have terrible defenses. And who have the Texans beat? They beat. Who did they beat last week? They beat Tennessee.

And who they skunked, the Ravens last week, 44 to nothing. That's right. But that defense has been elite all season. Yeah, and how's that offense been? Listen, I'll tell you what, you want the Texans? 35 points. You feel against bum teams. You want the Texans?

Take them. You can call both games, and if you win this one, we'll give you two points. I don't have to. You already took Seattle. Listen, we're playing prevent defense. Yeah, exactly. Prevent defense in week seven. We're the Giants right now, man.

We're sending eight back. Wow, wow, wow, the giant. You are the Giants. I'll go Brian Burns after this game. I'm thinking you're going to win in Denver, and now all of a sudden you guys are about to blow it again. Let's see what – okay, lock it in, man. Lock in the Seahawks.

We're on the Hawks, man. And I do think there'll be an offensive struggle at times. But I really think that this defense – the two wins that Alisborough are referring to, J. Straters look lost at times. Now, having Nico Collins back and Healthy is going to help, and it looks like Witherspoon might not play, so that'll jam us a bit.

but I think Sam Darnold finds a way to get enough points in this defense, and I really don't think that this Texan's offense is going to be able to do much tonight. This is somewhat of a weird question, because we're used to the London games and getting acclimated. This is a 10 o'clock start tonight, is it not? But not out there, it would be seven. No, I know, but in Houston, like, their central time, like, when do you ever play at 9 o'clock?

That's weird. Especially football, yeah, you're just, like, they'll be fine, they'll be up for it. Totally. But, like, this is rare. Very, very strange. Very strange ordeal. And to be honest, like the Hawks, the game that scares me, I know you're on Baker night, is like the Hawks have looked really good all year. Even their loss of Sam Fran.

I thought they really, and that was a healthy Sam Fran. I thought they really had a shot to win that thing late in the game. I think it was Nick Bosa made the big play. But it's like that loss that the Hawks had Baker Mayfield scares me a bit because he did whatever he want. Their defense has been very good outside of that. So, I mean, I don't think Stroud is Baker-Mayfield, but it'll be interesting to see if they can really, that defense can get humming.

This one could get a little ugly, especially they can manage points early. I love it. So we've got a new show starting? What's going on here? Tell us about this. You know, one of those things where I've always kind of wanted to do a podcast and TSN has been helping out. We've kind of drafted something up.

A little bit of football kind of backends more football stuff, a little more in depth. But more so interviews of athletes or people, lifestyle people. so we actually just filmed it with Michael Saunders. So it'll be kind of cool having a guy that played obviously in Seattle from Victoria, played in Toronto, was on both ALCS teams. The second one, I think, hit 381 in the 2016 playoff run.

Captain Cannon went to the Olympics with Team Canada as well. So just kind of hearing his story and like coming out of Victoria playing the big leagues. I've known him for a little bit. He's epic. I'm not allowed to use profanity, but he's the man. So, yeah, just kind of, you know, should be fun. I hope people tune in. All right, well, there you go.

I don't want to give too much away. No, I understand it. TSN's YouTube channel to be on TSN. I don't know. Film never lies. Film never lies. It's a big football saying. You want to argue with the coach and just go to the film.

Film never lies. Yeah. With Luke Wilson. Like right now, the film says that we're five games back. It does. And it's not lying. Tell you what, if this keeps moving this way, you got to have Alex brother on the show. You got to get to have him won.

You got to get Alex. Whenever you want, you want to get the behind the scenes of how he's and bro do our thing. I would love to see you guys breaking down tape. I do have one quick one, of course, that episode ever. A friend of mine flew in from Seattle to watch he's going to Game 7 is in Game 6. And I'm like, hey, man, let's go to Leaves game. So we're at the Cracken game, Leaves Cracken. And I kid you not, first youngster I see, I'm not joking,

is wearing a 92 Jeff O'Neill signed jersey on. Wow. Swear to God, this kid was probably six, seven years old. Epic. Yeah. That was my buddy, Joey's son, yeah. Oh, okay. I was going to take a photo, but I'm like, me taking a photo of a seven-year-old,

be really uncomfortable. Yes. That would be very uncomfortable. Very smart play. Kids seem like an absolute legend, though. I'll say that. How about that? You know, Neil jerseys.

Yeah, it's pretty swaggy. Okay. There you go. Good mojo. It didn't work out so well for the Leafs in the end on Saturday, but... Right. The Js picked them up the next night. No question.

And we'll see what comes of it tonight. All right. There you go. Alice Brother, great seeing you. As always. We'll get a couple back tonight, Parsi.

We have to. We're done. No, we're not done. We'll keep crying. It's a touchdown after tonight. I think it's a touchdown. There's a lot of distractions over here. Podcasts.

Like, different campaigns, Tostitos, Cipos. You and I, we're all in the trench. You know what? If tonight goes bad,

we're going to have to have a players-only meeting. Yeah, you might be in Pardcy. You might be down a whole touchdown down after tonight. That's right. They're going to cover. I mean, I really think Texan's money lines a worthwhile

wager on Fanduel tonight, so good luck with your Seahawks. House Brother, I may see you in Singapore soon, pal. Great seeing you, Alice Brother. There he is, Alice Brother, Luke Wilson.

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