P1 with Matt and Tommy - Austrian GP Driver Ratings

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

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What the hell is wrong with me? Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the people on podcast of Matt and Tommy. I can't believe I even, how dare I move off script and move off my robotic intro? Disgusting. Mixing it up. We love to see it.

But hey, welcome back everybody. We are here for your favorite series in the world, where we grade your favorite drivers from zero all the way to 10. Depending on their performance over the course of the Austrian Grand Prix weekend. Tommy, How are you feeling about this one, my friend? Yeah, there's a few contentious grades in there, a bit more of, there's controversial moments, wasn't there, for sure.

There'll be a few spicy ones, I'm sure. Oh, that's funny. When is there ever not spicy grades in our F1 driver ratings? No will knowledge detected, according to some comments most weeks, but we are about to share our will knowledge all the same because we do know some singular wheel occasionally. Right, let's get into it and start with Gabrielle Bortoletto. Started the race in eighth, finished eighth.

It's a 10! Ding, ding, ding! I'm giving him a 10. I'm giving Gabriel Bortoletto a 10 out of 10. Now, I am going to cover off the fact that I thought P6 was possible. However, this is Gabriel Bortoletto. It's his first points of his entire Formula One career, and I think he did a phenomenal weekend,

not just a great race. He had a great qualifying as well, started P8, finished P. yes there were slightly some left on the table but this is a grade where you take into account the driver's circumstances a tiny little bit and that's what I am doing before people say it's a nine I did initially write a nine and went no this guy's a rookie

so there you go it's a 10 I've also gone for a 10 for the same reason I think later down the line there's going to be a bit more lenient to the salber and where they they are but this was Bortoletto's strongest weekend and he's had it in him for a while he has been there with Holkenberg, he's just not had the points to show for it. So I'm glad it all came together. There were some worrying moments where it looked like he was going to be

stuck behind Holkenberg again and I feel like he's had many ruined strategies this season where, despite some good qualifying performances, but finally it came together and yes, he could have potentially got more, but he held his own to grab

an amazing points all, and just really good in qualifying as well. My words, to qualify in the same as Max, regardless of circumstance, is sensational. And he couldn't have gone any higher than PA anyway because Fernando Alonso is a manager and you can't pass your manager in your first season. And he's a goat defender as well, of course. Yeah, a bit of a Lonson.

Straight out the blocks. The fans, they agree. 10 out of 10. Nica Holcombberg started the race in 20th, finished 9th. I've gone for a 9 out of 10 for Nico Holkenberg. A fantastic recovery drive. saw a lot of people going well his drive was better

he should deserve driver of the day but at the end of the day he qualified last while his teammate was in 8th and it's he who drives the car in qualifying and of course these are driver ratings for the weekend

he drives the car and quality that's a lot of will knowledge we are sharing the wisdom right now but yeah Sal Bear are flying and they've scored more points than Red Bull

in the last three races what an absolutely insane thing they're cooking mate maybe maybe let me like stuff is a little bit washed i'm just going to put that out there to me like obviously i'm joking for those you that don't know jokes um i am going to lock in a nine out of ten for nico holcomburg also it's not a 10 out of 10 performance because we are shifting our expectations of what salba is and yes as you said tommy qualifying was uh poor very poor from nico we were we were questioning how on earth is he qualified last but the the strategy that that Saaba went with was pretty perfect for Nico.

He started on the soft tires, utilized that well, and then went for two medium stints. And I think that that second stint in particular was phenomenally impressive for Holkenberg to just put himself in a really good spot come the end of the race. So P9, as you say, more points scored. And goodness gracious me,

we did not think this was going to happen at the start of the year. So well done to Holkenberg. And yeah, a lot of people were like, Oh my God. Bortletto an 8th, but we're not talking about Holcomburg from last. But it is still a 9 out of 10. The fans gave him a 9 as well. Alex Albon, started the race in 12th, did not finish.

This one's a difficult one, isn't it? I mean, you know, how do you? I hate grading drivers that didn't finish because he was doing quite well. So I'm going to go for a 6 out of 10 for Alex Albon. Because once again, I can't give higher because he literally didn't finish. and who knows where he would have finished. But he was doing a pretty good job up until that point. And I was fully convinced that Albon might have scored a point or two.

But sadly, Williams are just having a disaster of a run. So there you go. I will go higher. I've given him a seven out of ten. It was, you can't go, in my opinion, lower than a seven, even though he's only done 20 laps. He was literally running sixth at the start before his car broke down. so I will hard to disagree with you there

and be like our fans and get very annoyed that it's just one point difference but yeah I think he had an amazing start he obviously qualified well ahead of his teammate and yeah how can you give a seven how can you give seven to someone for 20 laps of racing because he was sixth so you know deal with it deal with it it's all a bit of fun and we love to see it

and the fans well they gave a five out of damage Salmon. So there you go. Oh, goodness. It's a bit hot today. I can feel it. It's feeling good. Well,

speaking of difficult grades, let's go to Carlos Sines, who started the race in 19th and then did not start. Are we grading him for his weekend up until this point? Well, I was going to give him a four personally because he did have a qualifying session.

And it's, again, it's like a stroll last week where he didn't show up, but then is a five. in a weird way, almost too lenient because he had a poor qualifying. But then I feel like we just have to be consistent from here on in because I feel like sometimes we're like, well, we can't possibly grade him because blah, blah, blah.

But some people make sense to not grade and some people do make sense. Because are you telling me that if, right, here's an example. So Lande Norris, say he qualified 20th, and then he retires on lap 1. through no fault of his own. A five out of ten completely skews his grade because you're like, well, he's had a shocker and was probably going to finish about 10th. So I do think it's a case by case basis personally as well. So in that instance, you would not grade Norris. No, I would grade

Norris because he deserves to have a load, because then it skews the average. And I can't, I don't feel like Carlos's performance this weekend when he qualified 19th is deserving of like a chalk this one off because I, I can't. I don't. I don't feel like Carlos. I, I get when people are in the midfield or qualified about where they are, but I feel like it maybe has to be one lower, but that's just my opinion. So we have to grade them if they've had a shocking qualifying, but if they've had a decent qualifying... Or an amazing qualifying.

But if they've had an average qualifying, we don't grade them. It makes sense in my head. From here on in, we just need to say that we're going to grade them full stop, like, no matter what. Unless they don't do qualifying all the race, and then they are chalked off. Because then someone did, do they say... crashed in qualifying and then they didn't start. It's case by case.

Well, let's see what people say in the comments. I'm sure they will give us some feedback as to which they would like. Okay, so in that case, Tommy, you've been four? A four out of ten. Okay, because he had a poor qualifying. In which case, if we're grading one as qualifying, it's a three out of ten from me. So there you go. He's starting a last row of the grid and then sadly his car set on fire.

So that's sad. So I'm sorry, Carlos. poor grade but this is this is the way we're going the fans they don't agree they're gone for a five because they thought it was straight down the middle and this is why there needs to be some kind of leniency because Alex Albin running sixth getting the same grade as color science to me in my in my personal opinion is is not remotely fair because how can you say that Alex Albin was the same as Carlos Science this weekend absolutely not he was much much better

realistically I should be giving Carlos signs a 10 for going for the Sunny Hayes strategy of the formation lab Stop spoiling the movie. Hey, I've already said it now. It's not spoiling it if I say the same thing. So there you go. Right. Fan rating, yep, five out of ten for Carlos Sines.

Isaac Adjar, started the race in 13th, finished at a 12th. This one is an intriguing one because I felt as though Hadjar had an incredibly anonymous race. But then he said afterwards that he was running and was going to finish in a very easy P8. and then picked up damage. So I'm going to give him a seven out of ten and give him some benefit of the doubt due to this because when you look at it, 15 laps or so before the end,

he's running in eighth. And I don't think he's going to finish there because Bortoletto was on fresher tires. But still, it is a bit of a mystery why he lost so much time. He said he got floor damage and he was losing more than a second per lap. So I'm going to give a little sympathy there.

It would have been a little bit lower, but I'm going to go with a seven. I'm going to go for a six for Isaac Hadjar. Yeah, a long way off his teammate this weekend, which is uncharacteristic because he's been one of the drives of the season, I think. And yeah, very anonymous. Yeah, he picked up floor damage in the closing laps. So I still think that's maybe late on.

But, yeah, he was. He said 15 laps before the end. Yeah, exactly. So it's not like you had it the whole race. and it's not like a sensationally bad result for a V-cab. I think we'll get onto his teammate later, overachieved in it. But yeah, pretty anonymous and one to forget for Hajar. The fans gave Hajar a 6 out of 10.

Liam Lawson, started the race in 6th, finish 6th. I have gone for a 10 out of 10 for Liam Lawson. So, so good. So I don't think it's being spoken enough about how good this drive was from Leighlin Norton all weekend. I don't think it's being hyped up enough. He had a sensational qualifying to be essentially the best Red Bull in the field. I know Max didn't manage his lap,

but it's still comfortably ahead of his teammate. And then even after getting shafted at the start, where you think that could easily have just ruined his chances of getting points, he managed to make that one-stop work, hold off Alonzo the whole race, and keep his ties even better Nick than Alonzo did, to not kind of lose a bit more time at the end. And I think Liam Lawson was absolutely sensational this weekend.

I'll go for a 10. For Liam Lawson, I've also gone for a 10 out of 10. I think it's an easy 10, potentially, yeah, driver of the weekend. So consistently good. It was qualifying, beautiful performance. And then to fend off Alonzo the entire race, whether Alonzo was just trying to be dragged along by Lawson at one point, I'm not entirely sure.

It feels like maybe that was the case because Fernando, I think after the race, accepted that he wasn't as fast as the RBs around him. So he was just being quite tactical as Alonzo. I think it was a clever performance from him. But back to Lawson. He's finished, what, four odd seconds behind Russell,

which is ridiculous. I know that the Merck wasn't anywhere. But yeah, this is a confidence builder for Lawson. And I hope for his sake, he can take it to Hajar for the remaining half of the season and give R.B. and Red Bull a little bit more of a headache as to where they go for 26 and beyond,

because it was seeming like Lawson was potentially heading towards the exit if he didn't get some good performances in. So this one will definitely help. The fans gave him a 10 as well. Ollie Bearman. Starts the race in 15th, finished 11th. It is going to be, oh, I need more from you. I'm going to go for a 6 for Ollie Bearman.

it's 11th I think flatters the performance he finished 15 seconds behind his teammate in the end we saw some mistakes as well I feel like every time the camera cuts to him he knows and then he just makes a mistake like it just it just feels himself on the screen gets a bit nervous yeah yeah it's it's bizarre the amount that we we see him sort of losing the car a little bit I know the Hasse isn't particularly easy to drive but yeah I mean six I think kind of represents the the performance he had of course you had Albon Vestappen Antone all out and he still missed out on the points.

His teammates scored one despite finishing behind him. Qualifying was reasonably hopeful. Of course, out-qualifying Ocon, but yeah, just not enough really for me to give him any higher than a six. Like, it's okay. I've gone for a seven for Olly Beerman. I think he's so close to making something happen, but yeah, making the odd mistake here and there

and we know that he can do better. But to be very close to points and out-qualify his team, mate, I think, deserves a bit of credit, but I know there's more potential to be had from Olly Bennon, for sure. And I feel like we're saying that every single week. His time will come, though, for sure. Yeah, I mean, he is still a rookie, and we have to remind ourselves of that. I'm hoping his breakthrough performance comes sometime soon, because I put him as good surprise of the season. The fans gave him a seven. Estabanoch on, start the race in 17th, finish 10th. I've gone for an eight out of ten for Esteban Okon.

My word, if Estebanokon could sort his qualifying out, he would have so many more points because the amount of times that he ends up in the points after seemingly being nowhere in qualifying and not feeling like he's really got that much pace. But I think in this situation, he's obviously got some great strategies, but his experience is showing as well. I think in these moments of kind of keeping. your ties in check and and the the moves that he was making during that race that even though

you know to to be a disappointing 17th in qualifying is really poor from him but to make it through to to the points when the midfield is so tightly kind of packed in every point matters between those midfielders deserves a good amount of credits I think so yeah I've gone for an 8 for Ocon I've also gone for an 8 out of 10 for Ocon you know he beat his teammate pretty teammate pretty comprehensively come the end of the race. Yeah, I agree with this qualifying. You can say that the Hass isn't good on a Saturday, but Ockon has been beaten by Behrman on a few occasions this year in qualifying. So there is some performance in there, and you would expect Esteban to have the edge over Behrman, especially on a Saturday. So yeah, he said it himself

after the race as well, that it would save us doing a bit of bumper cars to get our way through. So clearly we've missed a few things on the feed as to have. how Ockon. Yeah, he was racing a lot of people. I did see a kind of highlights rail and he was passing people, you know, left, right and centre. So yeah, he made, he was on a charge through the field. Good lad. The fans gave him an eight as well. Franco Colapinto started the race in 14th, finished 15th. Oh, this one. This one is one of the contentious ones. This is one is one of those grades that you, you know, you can get a bit harsh with if you really fancy it. I am going to go for a. Oh my gosh, it's either a three or a four.

Which one is it? Which one is it? It's going to be a three. It's going to be a three for Franco Colopinto. It was maybe going to be a four to have sympathy. But the performance wasn't great. And then, of course, he got that penalty for causing an incident, which was his fault. I'm not going to be too harsh on him for the fact that it happened because he was in a fight with Sonoda. He wasn't on his own. Just da-da-da-da. Oh, oh, Piastri, you're nearly in the wall. My apologies. He was fighting Sonod. He tried to get to the slipstream, but didn't check his mirrors. It is a rookie mistake. But up until then, of course, he was beaten by Gassley in qualifying,

and Gassley was having a much better race than what perhaps by the end of it, it's come across like, I'm surprised that Gassley, finished the 13th. Gassley himself was convinced he had damage of some description. But yeah, for Colopinto, it's a, a disappointing weekend, I would say. I've gone for a four out of ten for Franco Colapinto. I think there'll be people, and I think I saw it on the ratings of people kind of jumping to a kind of one and a two grade thinking that he had that kind of moment, didn't he, with Piazori. And that's kind of the headline thing. It of course wasn't a great look, but as I said in the main race podcast. It is a rookie mistake. He was battling another car and just, you know, was unaware.

But I'm not going to downgrade him massively, you know, like really harsh like it was the worst mistake ever of all time. You know, when he was actually running before Yuki Sonoda yeated him at that corner as well and crashed into him. He was only, you know, he was racing behind the two Hasses and Gassley. So also, I do feel like they need to be a bit of lenience that Alpina are literally last in the Constructors' Championship as well. Like, their car is shocking. So I've gone for a four.

All right, Tommy, you've convinced me. I was a little bit too harsh. I've gone for a four out of ten. The fans, they don't agree. They've gone for a three. So there you go. Pierre Gasley, started the race in 10th, finished 13th. I've gone for a six out of ten for Pierre Gasly.

again he's another driver that's so difficult to rate because he's driving an alpine that i thought would be so much better this season maybe he's done well to get in the the top ten he was running quite high up at the start of course risking it on the soft tire but he just fell away and uh my word alpine are just an absolute crisis um it feels a long time ago to think that we were discussing maybe after testing that Williams and Alpine looked like best of the rest and Gasly, you know, end of last year was scoring these amazing results and now Alpine, you know, comfortably last in the championship and the only points they've scored have been through Gasly. I've also gone for a six out of ten for Gasly. He was running superbly well, I think

up in sixth at the start of the race on the soft tyres, which we thought, okay, all right, Gazley, We're onto some points here. This could be something good, but then just fell away massively. But I think it has to be said that he was putting a car that didn't belong to be up there with a pretty aggressive strategy. And as I mentioned, on the Colapinto point, he was convinced that there was something wrong with the stint. He did say that maybe there wasn't something wrong with the car. But either or, the car is a bit of a dog at the moment, clearly. But I think Casley deserves a nod for even putting that car anywhere near the front of the midfield.

The fans gave him a five. Lance Stroll, started the race in 16th, finished 14th. What an anonymous race from Lance Stroll. What a surprise. I've gone for a four out of ten for Lance. I mean... Was he even racing? Was he even racing?

Finishing 14th in a race where four drivers didn't finish, all of which you would assume would have beaten him. So there's that factoring in as well. But yeah, I don't think I ever saw him. I genuinely don't, I don't really have much to say about Lance Stroll. They struggled with tire degradation early on. They changed their strategy due to that, according to the Aston Martin website. But it's a four.

I'm knocking it. I've gone for a five for Lance Stroll. Just very anonymous. I've gone straight down the middle because I guess, I guess, his only saving grace is that maybe like a colopinto or whatever is not made a mistake and got a, a penalty, which he's done in the last kind of few races and things, but struggling for pace.

But yeah, I think we'll get onto his teammate, but I think it's more Alonzo overdriving that car, but then that would be me saying that, of course. Of course it would. Absolutely. Fernando Alonzo, start the race in 11th, finish 7th. I've gone for a 9 out of 10 for Fernando Alonzo. I think it was another brilliant performance

from him. I don't think he should have got P7 in the end. I think it was impressive that he managed to hold off Bortoletto. I saw a few people going when I mentioned and I think you did as well

on Twitter that Alonzo is one of the best defensive drivers and people kind of going oh it's Bortoletto and I'm sorry but you need context of Bortolettos on much fresher tires and I will there's no way

quite a lot of other drivers in my opinion would have kept Portoletto behind. Alonso was basically a sitting duck at the end and there were quite a few laps and he just placed his car perfectly but not dirty or dangerous and I think that's the most impressive thing about Fernando Alonzo

when he does this defensive driving is it's not like a he's not throwing the kind of crazy shapes that some of the younger drivers do that are considered like moving under braking and stuff, he just places his car in the exact kind of right places to defend. I can't give him a 10 because I think he didn't hold onto his tyres as well as Lawson

and maybe could have gotten to Q3, but it's another great drive from Fernando Alonso, and I'm glad he's now got the points to kind of show what he has actually been doing this season. Yep, just matching lunch stroll now. So Fernando Alonzo, I have gone for a nine out of ten as well. really solid performance from Fernando. I think he was over a half a minute clear of Lance Stroll, who was just stuck in the pack behind Gasly at the end, I think it was.

But Alonzo shouldn't have finished seventh. Bortoletto should have easily had him. It went on paper, obviously, but he drove incredibly well from a defensive standpoint. I mentioned earlier on in the episode. I think that he was being very clever with Lawson. He said after the race he didn't think he was as quick as the Saubers or the passes. So he definitely didn't think he was as fast as the racing ball probably. So he utilised the fact that he was in DRS of Lawson for a very long time to sort of just

drag him along to stay in that P7 for a very long time. And the one stop was the correct decision as well. So overall, I don't think he should have been scoring that many points, but here we are. So yeah, it's a nine out of ten from me. The fans gave me an eight. Kimmy Antonelli started the race in ninth. And he did not finish because he had no front left wheel, I believe, after turn three. It's going to be a two out of ten for Kimmy Antonelli. Big rookie error. Some people might go, give him a zero, give him a one.

It is a massive error. However, you know, there is some small leniency of him being a rookie and the way in which it happened. You know, he's speaking about losing the rear underbreaking. Things like that. He misjudged it by, what, 25 metres maybe. and it had a catastrophic, a catastrophic ending. So I'm going to give him a two. It's still a very harsh grade

and he will, fingers crossed, not do that again. Indeed, I've gone for a two out of ten as well. Poor, poor weekend from him. Not great in qualifying and then to make that error, it was an absolutely enormous error. A little bit of leniency from the fact, as you say, that the way it happened, the fact he's a rookie and also, you know, lap one, chaos,

but it's still a, you know, still a two out of ten. It's still a poor grade and a deserving grade because it's a huge mistake to make, and I hope he bounces back from it, because after Canada, we were really kind of hyped to see what he could do next, and I certainly hoped it wasn't that. Well, he saved himself a really boring race in the Mercedes.

He would have probably been behind Lawson and Alonzo in this horrible fight for P6, because the Merck was dreadful and Russell only finished four seconds clear of Lawson so who knows where he would have finished I would have been interested to see the fans gave him a two as well

George Russell started the race and fifth finish fifth I've gone for a seven out of ten for George Russell I this is a really difficult one to grade actually

no I'm going to give him an eight I'm actually going to give him an eight and it is so difficult to grade George Russell in this because he is just sat in no man's land where the Mercedes wasn't any good but he still picked up a top five result that you have to give him credit for and yeah what more is there to say about his race he just drove around on his own and bagged some more points but good points for the championship compared to those around him I guess I am going to give him a seven.

There was nothing special about this weekend. Yes, there were limitations with the car, but we can't, we can't, sort of, I can't give me any higher than that, just purely because he was so far, not just off Norris and Piastri, but also the Ferraris as well. And yeah, it was very much a seven drive,

an incredibly anonymous race. The bloke was probably falling asleep at the wheel with how boring it must have been for him. He was in no man's land. And I hope that, well, it's definitely not going to be as hot this weekend for the British Quarter. On Pri. I'm already seeing weather reports that it might be raining for Sunday. So that may well

work out for Mercedes. I just hope it doesn't rain at 10.30 a.m. Tommy, when we're on the main stage like it did last year. Come and see us if you want to. If you're at Silverstone on the Sunday, 10.30 a.m. as I say, on the main stage. The fans gave George Russell a seven. Yuki Sonoda started the race in 18th, finished 16th. Goodness gracious. me. It's going to be a two out of ten for Yuki Sonoda. It was a really poor weekend all the way through. He is mystified as to why he's so slow. You can see it in the post-race conferences and things like that. It's really sad to see. He finished two laps down, 35 seconds off the back of Colopinto, who he yeated during the race. Gets a penalty for that. And just overall, shocking.

and we know that this isn't what Yuki Snoda is capable of, but it's what he's able to extract out that red ball. I can't give him any higher because he's in this stricken red bull. So that is what I'm going for. I am painfully going to give Yuki Snowda a 1 out of 10 for his weekend. In Austria, it's so painful to watch. He, of course, you know, it's easy to jump on the fact that that second Red Bull, we all know we have this conversation every single week

but just because the second Red Bull is difficult to drive there's a driver in it and that's the that's the person that's you know colliding with stroll crashing with Colapinto and that's his own doing so do I think that many other particularly young drivers on the grid could jump in that car and do better than 18th in qualifying. Maybe not,

but I have to degrade him based on the fact that he's also having a complete mess of crashing into people needlessly, making mistakes and things as well. And yeah, it's really painful to see because it should have been such an exciting thing to see Yuki Snowder in that Red Bull. And, I mean, it feels like he might not even be an F1 next year at this point. Yeah, he might well be in the wrong place

at the wrong time because Lawson is doing a performance like that you look at the start of the year we're thinking oh Lawson might be out of F1 but Sonoda's taken the step up and it might well be

that he's because he can't show his potential he can't show what he's capable of doing because he's because he's in that car there was many rumours wasn't there in the Dutch media that spoke to the Vestappen camp that the reason they were so annoyed

about the switch was that they really liked Yuki and they didn't want want him to essentially kill his career. Because, and this is what hurts so much when I'm giving him a one out of 10 and I'm seeing started 18th, finish 16th and 35 seconds off the lead, because I think he'd be absolutely flying. Off Colopinto, not the lead.

Sorry. Yeah, I bet he wishes it was 35 seconds off the lead. Yeah. It'd be doing pretty well. I think he'd be absolutely cooking in that V-Cab. I think it'd bagged a load of points. It'd be up there with Hadjar who's been really good, but also with more experience. We saw that at the start of the season how good he was doing

and you think he gets to the end of the season after having that season in the V-carb he'd be absolute hot property for many of the other teams on the grid but now no one's going to want to take him and that is just the brutality of the Red Bull programme and why everyone doesn't want her job to go there. Exactly. The fans gave him a two. Max Verstappen started the race and seventh didn't finish.

Now this is one where I will protest the NA grade. I've seen a lot of other people with their ratings go for an NA. And the reason I think it has to be an NA is because essentially he's the one that's been yeated out the Grand Prix. So it's not his fault. And he did have a completely anonymous qualifying. So I will throw that one into the mix. So now we're doing an NA? Well, yeah, because it's correct. Okay, correct, objectively. Yeah. Interesting. Okay, so Vestappen, yeah, he had his qualifying affected.

He couldn't put his last lap in due to a yellow flag. And then he was yeated out of a race. So yeah, how can you possibly judge him? That's a good point. I will pass the N.A. The N.A. has been passed by the stewards of Matt and Tommy. Okay. The fans, well, they gave him a five.

I don't think they can even vote N.A., can they? I mean, we could if people want to say, They can't vote NA, but I mean, this is the thing, like looking at, I don't know, I just throwing example of like media websites that have put, I've only seen one media page that have gone for grades that do driver ratings. They've given him an eight and you go, well, that seems almost ridiculous to give him an eight because he's done one quarter. It's a hypothetical, isn't it? Yeah. Well, he could have been on the front row. Yeah, he was challenging the back and I feel like it's just fairer because he kind of don't want to.

to punish him for something that's not his fault, but then you don't want to overgrade him for a race that he didn't even drive because then you're just assuming it would have happened. Okay. Look, the NA has been passed. There's no going back now. But maybe we include in the fan ratings NA so people can also say their piece from here on. Lewis Hamilton started the race and fourth finished fourth. I have gone for a eight out of ten for Lewis Hamilton.

I think it was a pretty decent weekend overall for him in comparison to Charles LeClair. I felt like on pure pace on a Saturday, he was pretty close. And then Sunday, you know, it was, there was a mistake in there. I remember seeing it. He went a bit wide, lost three, four seconds. But overall, he wasn't far off. Surprised to see him not go for a different strategy call, but perhaps it was overridden just purely because it was fighting the other Ferrari or ignored

due to fighting the other Ferrari. But I think it's a better weekend than perhaps the timesheets would suggest being half a minute off the lead but no one was getting close to those McLaren's and I think Ferrari have in the sort of midst of all of this actually taken a small step forward because I'm seeing that Charles LeClair,

for example, being 20 seconds off Norris as a kind of win which is mad. Yeah, I've gone for an eight out of ten for those Hamilton as well. They've kind of, yeah, made a bit of a step forward. I saw on Ted's notebook him kind of talking about the whole lifting coast situation that they're in a weird situation now where they basically don't want to damage the floor anymore to end up being disqualified like they are in like of course happened in China for excessive wear so they're kind of having to be a little bit more careful which is probably the most annoying

thing in the world when you're watching the two McLaren's be 20 seconds clear while also racing each other for the entire race. It must be very irritating. And Hamilton, it does feel like he's getting there. He's had races where he's really struggled and been a long way behind Shal. And I know he's had an absolute chasm to fall into between Shal LeClaire and George Russell. But it's still a good effort and a much better qualifying from him as well. So yeah, signs of progress, I think. For sure. And the fans gave him an eight as well.

Charlotte Claire started the race and second, finished third. I have gone for a nine out of ten for Charlotte Claire. He maybe on a, on paper you see started second, finish third. It is the best he could do. And I'd have loved to have seen him be able to challenge at the start. I know it was probably a kind of false hope. I think you would have finished third anyway even if he'd somehow got Lando

but I did think the start was the only chance for him to maybe at least challenge a McLaren at some point or do something and for someone that is so good at wheel to wheel racing and his racecraft being such a strong point I think you played the start quite bad

in terms of letting Piastri go I mean thankfully he did because it allowed the amazing McLaren fight but it can't be a 10 because in my opinion the start to let him down but still a very, very strong weekend and a higher nine. But you can't have higher nine

so you'll go down as a nine in the score sheets. I've also gone for a nine out of ten for Charlotte Clare. Yeah, second on the grid. I don't think anyone would have expected seeing that on paper that he'd be over half a second off pole and starting on the front row, but that was the qualifying session we had.

And then, yeah, again, the race pace of the Ferrari is not bad. Like, it's not horrendously. off the McLaren's, but it's, you know, 20 seconds by the end of a 70-lap race far off. As for the start, you know, I've watched it back a few times, and I think it looks worse than it is in terms of where he positioned his car. He got a better start than Lando. He can't just completely and, you know, just jolt to the left to then try and get the outside line. So he's kind of, as he said after the race, that's his sort of position heading towards term one. So having a better

the start kind of scuppered him a little bit. And then he, of course, lost that position to Piastri, which I don't think he ever would have been able to keep anyway. But I, of course I would. But I'll go with what Charlotte-Clau said at the start. But I think it's a reasonable reason as well as to why that happened. It's a weird, difficult term one leading on to a really long straight. So, yeah, I'm kind of glad in a weird way that we got to see the McLaren's battle

because that was what was always going to happen anyway. So big up to Charlerler for allowing that for entertainment. purposes. The fans gave him a nine as well. Oscar Piastri started the race in third, finished second. I'm going to go for a nine out of ten for Oscar Piastri. It was a really good weekend, hence the nine. He was screwed in qualifying, so I'm not downgrading him for that. But the win was possible. It was. There were a couple of occasions where, of course, he got really close, one of which he got ahead. And perhaps, I mean, the gamesmanship from the pair of them were, was great to watch. Lando came out on top just with how he positioned his car, how he allowed

himself to have DRS down that second straight. And Oscar, he knows, he knew as he spoke afterwards in the media that he said, with hindsight, maybe I could have done a couple of things a little bit differently when I tried to get past. But in the moment, you've got to take an opportunity when it comes. And that's what he did, right? You want to be ahead. And, but Austria is such an awesome track for the fact that just because you've overtaken into turn three, it does not mean it's over. So yeah, it's still a great grade. Oscar will not be too unhappy with a second place.

He still leads the championship and I loved watching it. It was incredible to watch. Yeah, I've gone for a nine out of ten for Oscar Piastri as well. He was kind of, yeah, he had his moment and didn't take it, but I can't give him any lower than a nine because he was really fighting the whole race. He looked very, very quick. He was all over the back of his teammate. He was able to close a gap again even after McLaren obviously opened that gap out,

which we've spoken about in the race podcast, why they did that. And Oscar managed to close in again. I think that race weekend kind of so far at least, we'll see how. how it progresses at the end of the season, but kind of backed up my theory that we'll see a race when Oscar Piastri is the one behind Lando Norris, because he's quicker in race pace and a bit more kind of willing to attack.

And that's exactly what happened in that situation. One thing that was quite funny, actually, that I saw Christian Horley mentioned that we kind of alluded to on the watch along, but he took notice as well. That imagine how it feels for all the, other teams watching them struggle on their tires and then seeing the McLaren's racing each other in dirty air for ages. Oscar just sat there and you thought he's going to back off at any

moment and he could do it for lap after lap after lap and still didn't kind of have any kind of tire problems really other than the flat spot that he gave himself. So yes, here's to many more of those. Yeah, your point about Piastri having better race pace, I don't know if that's absolutely accurate for this one, just purely because... Agreed to disagree because I know you're... No, no. Let's debate. Okay, go for it. This is what this one's the podcast for.

We are allowed to disagree. I think Lando sort of highlighted this as well is that in that first stint, obviously, Oscar is able to get DRS, and he had that initially at the start, and it's worth six, seven tents a lap. There's three DRS zones. He can utilise it really well to be able to stay within that. Of course, he struggles in dirty air in other parts.

But the DRS is extremely powerful. round here. We saw that. And then obviously we haven't mentioned Lando's slight damage that he was running as well. So it's not like it's an absolute like for like comparison. So I just wanted to highlight that. I think they were very similar in race pace if you were to take everything into account because Oscar was getting screwed by traffic left, no, Lando was sorry, getting screwed by traffic, left right and centre, wasn't he as well. So there are things and many parts to play here. What is your response to me? I completely disagree and Oscar Piaastri is definitely quicker this season. And I have not seen any.

No, no, I'm talking about this race. Yeah, I still think he was. He was four seconds behind and caught up. That's not DRS, is it? But catching traffic at horrendous times, Oscar was getting DRS beautifully. Oscar got punted into, not punted off,

but like Colapinto put him almost in the wall. I lost like seven tenths. Well, I'm not going to agree with you. I don't, I think Oscar was quicker. Okay, perfect. That's absolutely fine. But we have to take into account, We have to say that, you know, land had damage.

It's unfair to say that it was like for like. So there you go. Well, look at that. Mom and Dad are fighting. But it's fine. We're okay. People want disagreements. It's not personal.

It's lovely. And I'm not getting red because I'm arguing with Tommy. It's literally 31 degrees in my room. So the fans gave Oscar Piastri a nine. But yes, I think Oscar has very good race pace for the rest of the season. Tommy, I do agree with that. I was just more specifically speaking about Austria. So let's be lovers once again.

You're allowed to disagree. No, no. I love you. Don't worry. Don't worry, darling. Okay. Lando Norris, start of the race and first, finish first. I've gone for a 10 out of 10, well, Landau Norris.

I think that there's a time and a place to kind of have a go at Lando for his driving ability. And this weekend is not one of them. I've seen so many people kind of trying to downplay what he did in that wheel-to-wheel battle with Oscar and things. Now, the switchback was great the way he, did that. Yes, he made that error which allowed Oscar in, but he drove a really, really good race.

And I think he deserves a massive amount of credit for it. Especially what happened in Canada, of course, as well. He could have very easily been very, very timid indeed, racing wheel to wheel with Oscar Piastri and worried that they might crash again. But no, they raced hard and fair, and Lando at a circuit that he does, love, managed to, you know, brilliant in qualifying and then again in the race.

I agree. I've gone for a 10 out of 10. Mom and dad are back. But yeah, it's, it has to be a 10 for Lando. Qualifying, I think, was underplayed by some people. I think it was a lap that was not getting beaten by anybody, even if there were clean laps for Vastappen and Piastri at the end. Lando was quickest. I think I read in every single session with the ones he took part in. So obviously he didn't take part in FP1 as well. So, yeah, Lando was brilliant. He made a mistake, one that could have been race defining and race ending as he dipped his wheel into the gravel in the penultimate corner as well as the last corner as well.

But he defended well after that mistake. And then, you know, managing, there wasn't battery issues as far as I'm aware. He was just not being able to save his battery in the same way in that first stint, just purely because Piastri was constantly attacking. with DRS, but he did have small damage, as we heard, which was affecting the balance. But with all that said and done, you know, Lando did a phenomenal job and fully deserves a 10 out of 10. And the fans agree, they've gone for a 10. So who is our P1? My P1 is going to be, you know what, Lando Norris, because it's either that or Bortoletto.

and I think Lando Norris had a brilliant weekend. Oh no, it's either Lawson as well. Of course, Lawson did a brilliant job. But Lando, I'm going to give it to Lando, just purely because it's a weekend that he absolutely needed. The championship pressure on his shoulders, he could have easily fallen over a race win behind Piastri, but he delivered with a phenomenal pole position

and then translated it into the victory. So there you go. For me, it's not even close. It's Liam Lawson. I think he's the only faultless driver all weekend. And yeah, huge amount of credit to Liam Lawson. It was a brilliant drive and who knows might even save his career based on all the kind of pressures of those Red Bull team.

There you go. Thank you everybody for tuning in to this driver ratings. And of course, we had some contention. That was beautifully... We love to see it. We love it. It's the whole one of the driver ratings. It'd be very boring if we just said the same thing.

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