P1 with Matt and Tommy - British GP Race Review

Episode Date: July 6, 2025

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the B1 podcast with Matt and Tommy, not in Tommy's car. Yes, the last few were done in Tommy's car because we were out and about. We're at the British Grand Prix. We were, of course, there again as well today, Tommy. I must apologize for all of you wonderful listeners and watchers that expect this content immediately. It's a few hours late because I had to travel back and Tommy did as well. and if you've ever been to Silverstone, you know exactly how difficult it is to leave the venue. Indeed. Yeah, and we were watching live in person getting absolutely drenched and then sunburned and then drenched again, etc, etc.

Just classic British weather, eh? It really was. Before we get into everything that is to do with the British Grand Prix, I have to say, first and foremost, for everybody that turned up to the 10.30 a.m. stage show that we were supposed to put on, thank you. Thank you so much. Oh, my goodness gracious me, I didn't think it could get any wetter than last year when we did it, but it did. And the heavens opened. It was a biblical rainstorm.

There were still loads of people out there. We then go out on stage, bring in the energy, ready to give, you know, you guys a nice little live show before the race. And then 10 minutes in, lightning. Literal lightning stopped the performance because we had to evacuate due to health and safety. I was like lightning strike me down. I don't care, but that is apparently not what they allow at health and safety at Silverstone. Certainly not, because yeah, I thought you were joking at first when you said that we had to leave the stage and then when we were like walking off the stage, everyone had already gone. It was a very weird experience to basically just be left

on our own on the stage while everyone was evacuating and then we obviously had the audience hadn't left, the actual staff members. Yes. They were like, yeah, I'm about. See you later, guys. So for those that waited, of course, we did a lovely sort of hour and a half meeting great, didn't we? We just felt so bad that we had to stop the show. So big up to all of you that said hello. Right. Let's get into the British gromp.

No, no. First and foremost, a quick shout out to our wonderful patrons who'll be getting extra chat at the end of this and every single race review this season. And we have got a lot to talk about. So there'll be questions in there as well that you'll want to tune into. Right. Tommy, it's time

for you to share your most memorable moment from a race of plenty of them. Certainly was. My most memorable moment was the Piastri incident, and it was called the Piastri incident, wasn't it, on the FIA graphic. We don't mess about. We don't mess about, straight into it. Funny it was called the Piastri incident, because obviously, as you know, as mentioned at the start of the show, we were trackside, and the trackside commentators more were coming. We were kind of talking about it as if Max was about to get a penalty because he'd overtaken Piastri and actually watching it back later, you kind of more realized just how much Oscar Piastri had actually hit the brakes and it was him that was the one under investigation.

And yes, it was a crazy incident and we'll get into, did he deserve the penalty? Was it too harsh? Was it too lenient? but for me watching that back my biggest takeaway was that it was just so unnecessary for Piastri to do it in the first place he had Max Astappen behind him who was struggling big time in the wet Piastri had such a huge advantage

I don't think he needed to really play any games on the restart because it's wet it's very hard to overtake Max was basically like a rally driver for those first few laps in the wet anyway with his wing. And yeah, it was a very odd call to make that. And now he's obviously feels he's very hard done by.

But I just don't know why he took that risk in the first place. So this incident happened. And I think, I don't know if we both clocked it. I certainly did because we were sat basically on hangar straight. And I remember going to you, Tommy. Oh my God. Max just overtook Oscar under the safety car. Wait, what?

Why? What's just happened? Not obviously noticing or realizing the severity that Oscar braked. Now, I've got the stewards document here and it says that Car 81 suddenly braked hard. 59.2 PSI of break pressure, which is one of the most irrelevant piece of information for anyone that watches for. Because we don't know when, you know, what sort of pressure everyone else uses. But a significant amount of break pressure and reduced speed in the middle of straight between turns 14 and turn 15 from 218 kilometers an hour to 52. Although we do know that's double what Russell did in Canada. There's a reference.

Yeah. Yeah, there's a nice reference. So the two can be compared in some ways, but I think they're also very different when you actually look at the two as well. But yeah, of course, that happened in front of us and we're questioning, oh, you know, are they going to do something about Max having overtaken? Because that's all we kind of saw. But then, as you say, it transpired that Oscar Piastri had been a bit of a naughty boy.

How I feel about this incident, I don't think Oscar's trying to play any games. I think there is a misjudgment from Oscar's side. And perhaps could you put it down to a lack of experience from the amount of safety car restarts he's done in Formula One? I don't know. But what I can say is that I think it is literally just a misjudgment. he did get penalised for it and you've got the Russell incident where it's dry

and I think that is something that 100% the stewards have taken into account is that the visibility is a little bit it's much more different and more difficult to see for Silverstone than it was in Montreal and then of course that there's double the brake pressure and Matt has been caught out

166 kilometres an hour as well it's a significant break I'm it's hard to say right just how much visibility Max has of Oscar because we have the

on boards but it's not their helmet it's above we have a much nicer view than what Max would have

I'm just going to go straight into how I feel about it Tommy because I I feel like that is such a

harsh penalty on Oscar Piastri 10 seconds when may I add to everybody add to everybody

throw some more information in that the stewards could genuinely have chosen a five second penalty so it's five, ten and it goes up from there or they could have just not penalised him they give him two penalty points as well FYI that's got five second penalty written all over it

in my opinion Oscar's not done anything I believe where he's trying to actually influence Max Verstappen's race I think he has made a mistake I think there is a misjudgment there but that in my opinion is a

just a stone wall five second penalty for being a little bit naughty under the safety car. 10 is just 10 is more you're doing some gamesmanship in my opinion that's how I would judge it. That's really annoying because I hoped we were going to disagree on this but no

Oh mum and dad are going to fight. No we're not because I thought exactly the same thing that I cannot believe it wasn't a five seconds looking back on it. Ten remember is what Max Stauffin got in for the incident with George Russell. And I just want to clarify that what I said about the start of him, kind of he didn't need to play games.

I didn't mean that he was trying to do something on purpose, more that he was just obviously like trying to catch Max out in terms of being able to, you know, break and then maybe accelerate. Well, he might not even been doing that, to be honest with you telling. Or just, yeah, just his break temperature and all that kind of things. I think it's more to do with that because it's these really difficult conditions. He's trying to build some brake and tire temperature. And the best way you can do that is by slamming on the brakes.

But obviously, he's done it too much and he's caused this little incident that we're talking about. I do, what I would say, though, is I do think it's a penalty. And I can see why they gave it. I just think 10 is far too harsh for what we've seen in the past. And I had these moments up and down before where people have done this. on safety car restarts and it was such an... I think what's kind of done in here

is how much of an extreme break it was to scrub off that much speed like I said, 166 kilometres an hour is an awful lot. So I can see why they gave it just personally I would give a five seconds if I was the stewards. Yeah, there's no way

we're even probably having a problem if it wasn't a slight. wet track and visibility was questionable. Max would have seen Oscar from a mile off having slammed on the brakes and I don't think we would have had anywhere near as big of a, oh my God, wow, Oscar slowed down. It's the fact that he couldn't really see. So I can understand why the stewards have taken that into account and seen it as slightly dangerous and erratic driving. And I do believe that he was deserving of something, but 10 was far too big. And five, I think five would have given us an absolutely titanic battle for the victory at the British Grand Prix.

And it was such a shame for Piastri to get 10 because it sort of ruined the whole spectacle of who was going to win. It did. It certainly did because, yeah, he, Lando didn't look like he was really going to catch Piastri, but five seconds would have brought him back into the pack. That being said, I do think Oscar Piastri then had a really good chance again to close in because, of course, He was about four seconds when he went off at Maggots and Beckett's when they'd switched to dries towards the end.

But Oscar had that extra lap. So he was closing in and maybe the momentum would have caught him up a bit more. It was a big ask. But unfortunately, Oscar made the mistake and it didn't allow us to have that McLaren battle again, which was a shame because they were certainly. very far in front and very, very comfortable today, weren't they? They were indeed. They were in a league of their own. A question from P-1 patron member Blackson. Would McLaren appeal the penalty

given the fact they still got that one too? You can't appeal a penalty that's been served in the race. There's nothing that you can do. It's been served. You can't then just minus 10 seconds for whatever driver. These are more to do with the post-race race. penalties that happened. Of course, there is an appeal process there. McClaren, I don't think are going to do anything. You know, of course they could complain.

They could throw their toys out the pram, but why would they? They secured a one-two. Zach Brown after the race, he was very clear in the fact of him being pretty happy. I find that Zach is very sort of to the point and almost not as PR-trained as the likes of Christian Horner and Toto Wolf

and these kind of, of course he's not a team principal, but he's kind of seen as that sort of figurehead. He's all the one. He's got more the rough around the edge is Indy car, chatter. When he's spoke about Oscar and the fact of like Oscar asking to swap positions. He's like, I don't blame him for trying. You know, that sort of thing. Too fair.

It's quite, yeah, it's refreshing to sort of get that actual view from Zach that you know he's not chatting rubbish. So, no, McLaren don't have anything to appeal. And they wouldn't, even if it was a post-race penalty. It just, it just wouldn't make sense. And it would, I guess that in itself would open up a, oh, well, you're favouring blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they already are that they'll be comment.

and I think the next question goes into that, but they're never going to be able to do that. I mean, they can't anyway, like you say, because of the timing situation, you can't give back time. The only way they could have done it was to leave, not serve the 10 second penalty, which I don't even know if you're allowed to do in the pit stops and then argue it later. But once it's kind of done and you've served the penalty, like you've done it. And the team's always going to serve the penalty, just purely. because if you get a safety car, whatever, it nullifies the fact that you've even served the penalty,

so they're never going to go, well, we'll keep this one on our back pockets and take it to the stewards later. It was quite funny there, wasn't it, Piazzi, mentioning about the penalty, if you thought it was unfair, because people have taken it different ways that I've seen some people go,

it seems really desperate, but it also is the mark of kind of a champion that's going to do everything they can to gain an advantage. And it's a very interesting question for him to pose to his team and does put them in a little bit of a weird situation because even if and this kind of came across in the interview with Zach again teams are always back their driver they're never rarely going to call their own driver out and go yeah what he did was ridiculous he deserves a penalty it's so so rare that they ever do that and so it is quite funny

that Oscar then went okay so if you think it's unfair maybe we should swap back and it was it was a bit of, it wasn't an interesting kind of thing to throw in the mix for Oscar. He was obviously, you know, just hoping and he was obviously frustrated in the car and he knew that moment had cost him the win and that's why he was so annoyed. But I thought it was a very intriguing radio that maybe other drivers wouldn't think to do, perhaps. I think it just comes back to Oscar not giving a toss what anyone thinks. Like he's genuinely just asking the question. He sort of said at the end of the team radio,

as well, swap back and then we can fight, which I think is probably McLaren's worst nightmare, especially after what happened in Canada, that they would swap the positions and then allow them to fight for the rest of the race. They've got this sort of buffer where they can go, well, Oscar, you can go after him, mate. Don't worry about that. If you want to go try and take him, that's all good. But as a team, they can sort of relax a little bit by the fact that they're not wheel to wheel half a second. And then, you know, so they collide and all of a sudden Nico Holcomberg is the British Grand Prix winner, which I think everybody would have. Imagine his first podium was a win.

From a 19th to first. That would be something else. So yeah, it just, it's, it's, it's an interesting team radio. I don't blame him for saying it. People that are complaining saying it's desperate are people that aren't Formula One World Champions, surprisingly. Of course he wants to win the World Championship. And it's, and it's the first, not the first, because we've obviously had the previous

two races where they had a little fight. But it is very interesting that we've spent the whole. whole of the season complaining that, oh, there's no, McLaren, come on, why aren't you kind of having this fight? And it's just very slowly starting to creep in where they are trying to gain advantages here and there. And if this is happening now, just think, think how it's going to go at the end of the season if they are still these little points. Every single pit stop is going to be thought of who gets the best strategy and all this kind of stuff. It's going to be fascinating. Yeah, I think McLaren and the strategy team and everyone,

there have got some serious headaches between now and the end of the season. Question from I Am So Call 48. Why does McLaren seemingly never fight for Oscar? It feels like every time Lando is disadvantaged by a penalty, they'll ask Oscar to back off or give him disadvantageous strategies to help Norris, but Piastri doesn't get the same in return. I feel like this is a stretch, if I'm being completely honest with you. I don't think that it's a case of McLaren not backing one of their drivers. And look, Oscar has the best cheerleader in the paddock by the name of Mark Weber. So McLaren are very much kept honest with their decisions when it comes to Oscar Piastri. I don't know. I don't really see this one personally. They're allowed to fight.

they maybe in the past when Lando has been quicker in the previous seasons it's felt like Lando has maybe had the better rubber the green when it comes to McLean and who they're favouring but this year is a straight dog fight and I can't see this really as a as a situation they are very much two number one drivers and they will basically favour whoever's leading I think that's as far as it goes yeah definitely I mean

I do feel like Lando is definitely the kind of McLaren Golden Boy. It feels like that he's been with the team for a long time. You can tell that Zach Brown absolutely loves him. And he does, you know, love Oscar as well. But I don't think they're like hugely favouring Lando where it's, you know, absolutely ridiculous. You look at this situation, for example, a team is never going to make a call to do.

deny one of their own drivers. And you could even argue that if they were really favouring Lando, they could have pit Lando first to make sure they were completely separated. Because actually in putting Oscar first still, despite him having the 10 second penalty, it gave him the extra lap on the slicks, which then actually caught him up. And without the mistake, I think they would have been racing again. So McLaren didn't favour him there. you go back to the last race and people were obviously, you know, up in arms of like, why

is Landau paying first? Because he's ahead. You know, that is, that is always the case in Formula One. And I do think McLaren are giving them a fair fight at the moment. So I really hope that continues. I agree. Question from P-1 pitch. Remember, Isabel, do you think Lando was handed the win? He was stuck behind Max until Max spun and then Oscar got the penalty, which McLaren won't appeal. allowing Lando the win. I think that's very unfair to say that Lando was handed anything today. It is a treacherous race. We had all but one rookie bin it.

We had a hugely experienced driver in Holkenberg, managed to go from 19th to 3rd. It was a race where mistakes were so easy to make. And I'm pretty sick of hearing that just because the McLaren is the fastest car, that either Lando or Oscar, whoever it is that weekend, was just, ah, it's an autopilot, mate. Yeah, nah, that McLaren, my grand could win in that.

It's not the case. The cars do not drive themselves, and I think Lando put himself in the position, yet he wasn't as quick in that sort of initial phase of the Grand Prix where it was wetter. It felt like Oscar definitely had the measure over Lando when it was wetter. But as it was sort of transitioning to that sort of slippery inters fading away, that's when Lando started to come into his own a little bit and perhaps manage the tyres a little bit better.

But there was no handing of the win. Max made a mistake. Max did not just, you know, be picked up by this weird gravitational force and thrown. He made a mistake. Lando did not make a mistake. Oscar, he made a mistake, albeit how big, that's for you to decide. I think it was five seconds. Tommy thinks it was five seconds.

That was a mistake. Lando did not make either of those kind of errors and he won the race. So no, he was not handed the win. I mean, he was fortunate to get the win in the sense that the person, in my opinion, Oscar Piastri, who I think had it in the bag, blew it with that decision to break far too aggressively behind the safety car. But you can say that with anything. You can say that, you know, Niko Holcomberg was on the podium because Charler-Laclair and George Russell decided to. completely bail and that meant they weren't in the fight or or maxa step and spurn and things like that so you you can kind of argue that for anything you have to be in it to win it and landau

being there and not making any mistakes yes he was slower in the kind of start of the of the stint i also think you've got to remember uh that that landau did get past max but then had a slow pit stop, which put Max back ahead. So you've got to kind of throw that one into the mix as well. That's Formula One. You've got to be there. You've got to be in it to win it and capitalize when a driver makes a mistake. Piastri made a mistake. And Lando won the race. That is Formula 1 racing. Simple as that, Tommy. P1Petri member Mikey B. Is this race the momentum shifting towards Lando in the championship? What I will say on this is that for those people, people when Oscar had almost a race victory in his hands,

Lando had a difficult, you know, Saudi or wherever you want to pick moments where he was struggling. The championship's not over. Like Canada, when he had that crash, people blowing this up way out of proportion saying, well, Oscar's now the absolute favorite. Landau's not going to do it. But that was a 12 point swing or, I guess, you know, if you had Lando getting points, then taking some off Oscar, whatever.

But, you know, it was a small amount of points in the grand scheme of maybe what a first and second would be, it can change so quickly. Excuse me, I'm getting emotional, clearly. It can change so quickly this championship that unless Oscar Orlando has a 75 point lead with five races to go, it is either of these drivers. It is absolutely categorically, in my opinion, over now

for Max Westappen, despite it being mathematically still very much possible. But for Lando and Oscar, the momentum, they are so closely matched. and this is what's going to make the second half of the season so exciting to watch is that we don't know who's going to come out on top as we go to each Grand Prix and whether it'll even be a Mercedes or a Ferrari, maybe not Ferrari, or whatever, or a Max Verstappen that comes into the mix to change things and have a bigger point swing. There are so many elements to this second half of the season that you just don't know

what's going to happen next. You don't. Yeah, I can't say that this was the race that, you know, Lando shifted the momentum towards him because it wasn't, you know, it's not to take anything away from him, but it wasn't like an absolute crushing victory where he was miles quicker than Oscar and you go, okay, Landau's really got a hold of this championship now and he's stamped his authority. It's just so close between them and it's chopping and changing every single race. And for me, that race, we talk about Landos' mistakes, but Oscar made mistakes in that race,

the incident that he had, but also going off through Maggots and Beckett's when he in my opinion was presented with an opportunity again to be to be close to lando and would have loved to have seen what would have happened there and i think mcclaren i've said this before but it's even more cemented now max is out of it it's between the two maclarens but i genuinely think it's a 50-50 between the two of them because it is so close and they're in a situation almost um sometimes max uh is there but they can make mistakes now and still kind of finish second sometimes. So I feel like this championship is going to be won on the mistakes as much as it is the victories.

And it's just too close to call. And that's a really exciting thing. It goes back to what we said about you can complain all you like about McLaren being boring, but they're dominating and they're going to win the championship easily and they're going to win the Constructors' Championship by goodness knows how many points, like four or 500 points at this rate. But thank goodness the two drivers are really close because it's going to give us an amazing driver's championship.

And thank goodness as well to McLaren for actually allowing us to see a title battle. And not calling it off every time they fight. Yeah, we could easily have a scenario. And I guess maybe we can thank the other teams and the Constructors as to McLaren's relaxed nature of the two fighting. Because they're so clear, yeah. If they crash, it doesn't really, we're so far clear it's bait. They could just not turn up for the second half of the season.

They've almost got two free passes now to crash into each other in both races and they'll still be ahead. Oh, is it? Three, maybe even four. Maybe even three, yeah. But, you know, let's take each race as it comes. But no, I think it's going to be a great second half of the year. Both of them, of course, not won a world championship. And it will then be who's going to crack under the pressure.

Who can be the most ice cold when we get to the last few races if it is still. very much mathematically possible. It's time to move away from McLaren and go to my most memorable moment, which is Nico! Nice. Podium. Yeah, sorry. Podium.

That really is. Say it again. Nico Holcomburg podium. Nico Holcombberg podium. We were there, Tommy. Like, last year, I could say I was there for Hamilton winning after a drought. And that was, you know, that was such an emotional experience and something that I think neither you or I will forget in a very.

long time. But then this year as well, another amazing, enormous story of Holkenberg after 239 races getting his podium in an actual wheelie bin. This man decided, yes, the worst car I've ever had popped me on that podium. I love it. Just the most perfect race. Next question. P1 Patreon member Lester, should Holkemberg get the first ever 11 out of 10 in the driver ratings? Well, you're going to have to tune into driver ratings to find out, aren't you? I mean, that is, that's spoilers. Do you think I've even thought about Holcombberg? I mean, look, did he start 20th and finish third?

No, so it might well be a 9 out of 10. You cannot. You cannot qualify. Exactly. You got to remember qualifying. Terrible qualify. Could be a 7. Qualified by Botellate.

could be a 7. But yeah, you'll have to wait and see for that one. But obviously we think that Nika Holcombberg did a phenomenal job. It was incredible, isn't it? It was everything, not just the drive, but the strategy as well was perfect because both him and Stroll

managed to thrust themselves up all the way to what Lance was originally in P3, wasn't he? And they were fighting. That in itself was a bit bizarre, wasn't it, to watch? From a fan perspective, you have all these drivers still in the race, you know, the Lecler's, the Russell's, the Vestappans, etc.

And it was Stroll versus Holkenberg for P3 with like 15 laps to go. Yeah, and it really felt like Hamilton was going to get him. I think that was the most impressive thing about Holcomburg's drive, that he found himself there, and it was so difficult to overtake, even with DRS going offline in those wet conditions, is always tricky. So it was really cool that rather than him just inheriting third and then just staying there the whole time, he had to make that pass on stroll. He went and got it because Stroll was going so slowly and don't get me wrong.

When I saw him behind Stroll, I was like, don't you dare make a mistake here. And then of course, Stroll was kind of a sitting duck at that point and you thought, well, Hamilton's going to follow him through, which he did. But then you thought, well, Hamilton's definitely going to pass him here. But Holcomberg had the gap. Well, Lewis got in DRS. At that point, I'm thinking it is absolutely on for Hamilton to keep his podium streak up. And I know that a lot of you probably listening were torn between Anika Holkenberg first podium and a Lewis Hamilton continuing his streak of podiums.

It would have been with one at what cost. Yeah, I know. But for me, I think that, you know, Hamilton has had more than enough podiums and trophies, my guys, that we can just allow this, what this one. Oh, he needed to have this. I mean, the scenes of Sauerber as well at the end were so special. These are the underdog stories that we live for in Formula One because it's just so great to say. see you just never would have expected it of all the teams he's done it with as well. Yeah, it's incredible and to see him to just deliver it as well with such a great drive. I think

that's what makes it so good. Very, very happy indeed for Nika Holkeberg. As is everybody, I think, the relief that he has. And the one thing I was a little bit sad about was the podium celebration. You had Oscar Piastri with steam coming out of his ears. Lando was obviously spraying the team representative, I think I was obviously watching on quite a small screen. Poor Nika Holkenberg. Like, how are they not drowning in with champagne? You know what I mean? I guess if Oscar and Lando had been, well, Oscar had been in better spirits, perhaps

Nico would have got a spraying as a sentence. I think I'm now regretting saying out loud. Yeah. But I wanted Nico drenched after that a drought, or not even a drought. He's literally never, does a drought mean that he's had a podium before or technically maybe? I don't know. I guess so.

But it's, I felt. a bit sad that the vibes were slightly off, weren't they? The vibes were off when he got on the podium. They certainly weren't when he was celebrating with his team. It was a shame to see that, yeah, he didn't get kind of probably celebrated with and McLaren kind of had their own little party and didn't really maybe acknowledge what a significant moment it was for Holkenberg as well. Because Oscar obviously made the comment, didn't he, about, oh, it's amazing.

The highlight was Holkenberg on the podium. a lot of other drivers congratulating him Maxer Stappen even did an Instagram post about it you know not even mentioning his own race putting him and Nico and celebrating and stuff and I don't know if you saw Max's post race but he was really like celebrating in front of Holcomburg really cool

cool moment yeah it's just it's just so cool I think for the people that have been watched Formula One for a very long time just really understand what this means because you know what he's been through. You've watched those races. You've watched the Brazil 2012

where he's going to win in a false India and it all went wrong. Germany, 2019, I think, as well. So many moments where it's a record that he just never deserved. And thankfully it's gone. I'm so glad. I'm so glad he's not going to end his Formula One career

without a podium because it would be one of the saddest stories, I think. Yeah, really would be. In terms of achievements in Formula One. Next question. P1 on Patreon member, Ghost of Indy, 2005. If Audi can make a decent car for next year, do you think we will see more performances like today's from Nico? I don't see why not. We've never said that Nico Holkenberg is a bad

driver. He is like a top midfield can score points week in, week out if he's got a decent car. I think what we saw today was the experience of Nika Holkenberg, the fact that not only did he put himself in that position like we were saying, Tommy, but also he was able to stay there. keep his call, looking in his mirror, seeing a Lewis Hamilton Ferrari and not choking. I mean, the amount of pressure that would have been on him would have been immense, but the fact is, you know, he's a reasonably old head. And he was able to process those emotions in a way that we hadn't seen when he had made those mistakes, perhaps five, sort of 10 years ago, whenever, you know, these moments that we know

that he's had in his career. But that's not to take anything away from like Bortoletto, for example, who's also had some great performances. It's not like Nico is just every single week being able to thrust that Salba into a position that doesn't belong, but we know that he can do it from time to time, put in a great strategy as well and a crazy race, and there you go, a P3. It was a perfect storm. It was, and I'm so glad he's done it. I just still cannot get over that he did it in a Salba. this move, of course, we go way back to when it was first announced, the whole kind of thought process was,

Oh, Holkenberg might be able to get his podium when they become Audi. He's going to have one year of it being absolutely awful, and he's just going to have to live with going in the Saaba and probably won't even score a point. How has he done it in this car with this team that last year, you know, Bottas finished 23rd in the championship? championship in. And even the start of this year, they were dreadful.

Yeah. It's only since Spain, I think, when they got the upgrade. Not fortunate, but he had that great result in you in Australia, but it was because of a chaotic racing. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, they didn't have much pace. And, but I mean, even this weekend, he qualified 19th in dry conditions. And that's why it just all just happened.

Exactly. It's crazy. We'll find out. No spoilers. No spoilers. No spoilers. It's going to be a 10. P1Petri member, BexP, it's so unlike Max to make mistakes like these.

Yes, even in the wet. What do you think is going on in his head right now? Honestly, I think Max is so checked out of this season. He is ready for 26 and a brand new car. And you can see that, right? You saw it in Austria when himself and Antonelli came together. Well, I should say more, Kimmy just sent him into another dimension. And the way he reacted to that.

and the post race I saw as well after today. He's like, well, I'm not challenging for the championship anyway. But even after the spin, I had no pace. And Max just feel, Max knows right, he's got no hope of winning this world championship. He still wants to win races, don't get me wrong. But he kind of went into this Grand Prix full well knowing he was on the back foot by quite tremendously in terms of the setup that he had taken in from qualifying, which allowed him to, of course, take pole position, but it meant don't rain.

And sadly, it did for him. But it was a very uncharacteristic mistake from Max, clearly desperate to get some temperature into the tires to get onto the back of Oscar Piastri to spin on a safety car restart. Max Verstappen, of all people. It happens, right? But it is so unlike him that I honestly shrieked when it happened.

And I remember actually turning around and taking a picture of you, Tommy. immediately afterwards. I haven't actually looked at this photo. So if you're on audio, I'm really sorry. You're not going to see it. But let's see. Let's see the Tommy face.

Yeah, there we go. There you go. That's the Tommy face immediately after Max spinning. This, of course, is with Shaldown in probably about 16th at the time. So I had to get some. I think you then spun about five minutes later. Yeah, yeah. Cool, cool, cool, cool.

But that's fine. I just needed, you know, something from you. And so I got it. Yeah, it was very disappointing when Max's, spun off. You knew that he wasn't going to be kind of challenging. I think my delusion of being on at the track and not really knowing the full

picture, I think after the race, I kind of felt a little bit like oh, maybe if he hadn't a spun, could it, when it's so difficult to overtake him, been there? But realistically, the McLarence was so quick we saw we saw that kind of play out, didn't we? In the first stint, that he had nothing. He was basically like a rally car through maggots and beckett's a lot of the time you could see with that that wing situation that he had with with the grip and it's pretty insane they ended up p5 after all that because you think

had he not spun he's finishing third so realistically he's only lost about five points after all that but it was still a huge huge mistake and very and probably you know one of the the biggest kind of max errors we've seen recently and yeah it was not a not a fun one to watch that that's that's for sure and he tried to just get back on and and do stuff but again he was on the radio wasn't he and saying this car is effing undrivable

and he kind of is in a weird situation where he's kind of calm and feels like sometimes he's kind of acknowledged the fact that he's not in the championship but then of course this competitive spirit still kind of like oh this is so frustrating because he wants to be at the front and he has been at the front for so long he has it's quite fascinating to watch your it's so over we're so back literally unfold before my eyes although it's now it was at the start of the season now it's just it was more just it's over it's actually it's actually just the British Grand Prix I'm talking about here so

okay qualifying before qualifying I it's so over Tommy's like, I know, glass half empty. We are so finished. Max then gets pole. Yeah, yeah. Then Max gets pole and you're like, oh my God, here we go. We're so back. Then it starts raining.

And honestly, you before the race was like, no, Max is so finished. The setup on the car, dreadful. It's not going to happen. Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, you never know, you never know. It turns out you were correct. Max was completely screwed against the McLaren's. And then after the race, I'm talking to you, and you're like, yeah, but if Max hadn't

has spun, though, like, maybe. Could have stayed. It's just so funny to see that delusion that isn't me for a change. Just see that kind of unfold for you. Yeah, because I'll talk about yours next, but it was very much like the, it was so up and down this weekend for Max. It really was. Question from Rob JVW Thompson. Why is it that teams don't always follow the right tires at the right time approach in conditions like today?

History shows us this is how to maximize the opportunity, especially for teams lower down the field. I love this question of like, just be on the right tire, right? That's all you need to be. The thing that's worked in Formula One for literally 75 years. The problem is it's very hard to get right when you have changeable conditions coming in, coming out. You don't know if it's going to hit the track or you're going to hit one corner or the whole track. I think that let's talk about the initial, I guess, decision that was made by George Russell and Charlotte Claire. at the start of the race, if we have to, but I know we do, because this is a question that's kind of talking about that.

I think I said to you, Tommy, and I said, ah, Charlotte Claire's winning this, or he's getting laughed. There's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's one or the other. And I knew within, you, you, you, you, you, you, no word of a lie. You went, oh, my God, Charles's going to win. And then, and then he did one lap, and the track side commentator went, uh, the, the, the cars on the dry tires are currently five seconds a sector slower. and you went, Charles finishing glass. I believed.

The thing was right, had it been just Charles, I'd gone, oh no, we're so finished. The fact George came in of all people from fourth on the grid. Fourth.

Gave me a little bit more hope of, okay, they know something that we don't. And I think that, was it Albonn, I think we're speaking after the race. He also was of the same opinion until he got to the last few corners of the track

and went, nope, absolutely not, no chance. And it clearly, was the correct decision to stay out. It's a, it's a hero call that obviously with the benefit of hindsight we're going to criticise, but we have to also criticize it just because it was a pretty dreadful decision. Do you need to make that call from fourth and sixth on the grid? When it is going to be a crazy race, that's a 19th, 20th, pit lane start kind of choice, in my

opinion. Of course we've had hungry a few years ago, didn't we wear, Hamilton was the only one to start the race. But it wasn't like that. It was still, there was still spray. We could see it from where we were watching on Hanga Strait. There was still spray out there. It was by no means bone dry. And there was a giant black cloud that was basically about to hit in 15 laps that everyone had on their weather radar and knew was going to happen. So it was always going to be a case of braving the inters. But even still, you, you, This is so accurate this question about right tires, right time. And we've seen this before, that you're almost better.

And Ferrari did this weirdly, the very last British Grand Prix of Charlerc as well, where they go for a hero strategy and once it doesn't work, get him in the pits and admit you're wrong and just do something else. Because Lance Stroll was a great example in that race. he made an extra pit stop where it was kind of drying out, he put softs on, flew through the field, did really well,

and then as soon as it rained, he didn't just go, well, I'm on softs now, I'm just going to basically lose all my positions and be stubborn, put inters on, and then gained positions again.

And it does just show that, that if you're losing five seconds a sector or five seconds a lap, you're ruined in four, laps. You're not going to make 11, 12 laps. It's never going to work. So we even saw at the end of the race when it was dry, the people that went too early, it didn't work, and it only worked for the people that kind of were more sensible and did it later on. You kind of wait for the people at the back to be the guinea pigs. So I thought it was an absolutely insane strategy. To give up P4 for George

Russell was an insane gamble. I get maybe first lap or two do something pretty different crazy once you've ascertained what's going down. It was such a hero call from them that, again, we're talking about this with the benefit of hindsight. I had this worked out for them. They would have been looking like legends, but they weren't. And it really scuppered their race.

I love the fact that Lance Stroll had had two pit stops, 11 laps into the race or something like that. He still managed to make it work. as we were just saying. Because he's on the right ties. By being on the right time. And it's such a slow pit lane as well, the British Grand Prix one, isn't it?

From what I can remember. So yeah, it's just, it was difficult to watch as a Charlotte Claire fan. Not just that, but of course, the errors out there. He went straight across maggots and becketts. He then swiped across signs accidentally at Stowe. And I just remember watching thinking, oh, Charles making some good progress,

P8 or whatever, and then my mind obviously sort of shifts more towards, can Holkenberg stay ahead of Hamilton, this and the other, I blink and I see Charlotte Clare on 14th, and I don't know if I missed the on track. I don't know what I missed on the cameras, but it just happened. Then I saw a replay. He's trundling along the gravel.

And why, why the one race that I see each year, does Charlotte Clare have to have an absolute stinker? Yeah, it's so true. It really was just like watching last year again of them just kind of in reverse rather than the other way around. You know, the fact that he was just out on the wrong tire and it just wasn't working for him and everything just went wrong, didn't it? P1PH remember Anastasia W, when will things ever go right for Charles in a wet race with Ferrari? genuinely, I cannot remember the last time Ferrari were actually good in the wet, like the actual best car in the wet or somewhere near the best car,

because my mind takes me back to years ago when I came to Silverstone, and I think it was the year where Hamilton won by a minute, and it was one of the greatest wet weather drives of all time. You had both Ferraris of Reichen and Massa just spinning almost every single lap, And it just feels like Ferrari just don't have a clue. They build a car for the dry and go, well, we'll chuck some wet tires on and we'll hope for the best. Because it never feels like Ferrari are competitive in the wet. And Hamilton said...

But I mean, Fernando could drive a flipping dump truck to P7. He did in 2012. He did, yeah, he did, yeah. All right, mate, Jesus. Anything else you want to add on Fernando Alonzo Hypertra? It's not about Fernando right now. But they have struggled for so long in the wet, have Ferrari. And Hamilton was coming over the radio as he does when he wants to tell the world that his car's a dog.

He's like, this car's really hard to drive, mate. There's literally no feedback for the team to help. It's just, yeah, this car's really bad. And then Charles said after the race as well that he just doesn't understand where the pace is going. And he felt like he was just basically, it was one of the, I think he said it was one of the most difficult races of his career, just trying to keep the car on the road. So when will it ever go right for Charle in the wet race with Ferrari when the car can actually cope with the conditions? There's this weird feeling around Charler-Claan. I've seen a few people saying it online and I don't really know where I stand on it because it's very, very difficult like looking back.

And it's hard to know if it's all on Ferrari or if it's a little bit of Charle as well. But Charles LeClaire in the way is just. having stinkers it seemingly all the time and I don't think he's a particularly bad wet weather driver it just seems to go so wrong for him that like once you have that kind of little bad strategy or they try something and it doesn't work it just it's it never just kind of improves or stays there, it just falls off and they're absolutely dreadful and they finish 14th because you look at

you know, the Stepper made a mistake for example and he did kind of climb back through the order, George Russell until he kind of went off he kind of got himself back up there again. I can't believe they put hard tires on him by the way. I can't believe they put George on hard tires because he was even shocked after the race

he was like oh and then they put hard tires on but it just doesn't seem like yeah it seems like we've had quite a number of races in the wet where Charles out on completely the wrong tyres and then yeah he's had like incidents and spins and stuff but it just never seems to go right for him in those conditions

and it's kind of becoming a bit of a weird trend and I don't necessarily think he's a bad wet weather driver it just seems to always go wrong for him and maybe it is just the fact that Ferrari are trying and him himself are trying these hero calls because they feel like the car's not there and this is their chance to try something a bit different because it's like their rare chance that they might be able to win or something.

Well, he said as well that it might be the extreme setups that he's running to try and get all the pace he can out of the Ferrari and then it just doesn't translate into any kind of wet weather pace. It does, yeah, and of course as well, with these kind of changeable conditions really tricky to drive, once something goes wrong, I can imagine the mental state of shal for example is i now need to almost overdrive this car to get any kind of result behind

other cars it's hard to overtake it just it just snowballs and it just doesn't go right so i think is anything other than charlerc's talent is uh is my answer to that one let's go to biggest winner driver or team oh i think i'm going to go for holcomburg i think holcomburg i think it might be because, well, quite literally, he won third place and he won our hearts. Thank you, Salber, and for Nika Holkenberg, just the story that we have seen today, just phenomenal. Honestly, I was, every time Niko went past with about five laps ago, come on, Lika. I think everybody was cheering for him, and Niko Holcomberg's my winner.

It's got to be Niko Hulkemberg, isn't it? just sensational can't be anyone else that's not to take away from other people that have had good races up and down the grid obviously landau for winning pierre gazley getting a brilliant sixth place just very quietly just doing a great result lance stroll as well getting points again with a with a nice p7 maybe could have been higher because of course he was was up there with Nico Holkenberg but yeah it's got to be Hulk

and now we head to biggest loser driver or team hmm Charlotte Claire's up there for me just as a weekend I'm sat here going what could have been

not necessarily for the victory but in qualifying a lot left on the table in the race just horrible to see what unfolded for him so you know what I'm locking in Charles LeClair, biggest loser for me.

Yeah, probably Charle-Claer. I'm also looking one driver that it just actually just breaks my heart reading his name all the time is Oliver Berman, because he had pace, he finished 11th, he had the penalty. He had a crash with his teammate, he got yuted by Sonoma. And he still finished 11th. And he would have had that sensational quality. I think that this race was a proper what my. have been for Olly Behrman. I'm not saying that, you know, he would have been up doing a Nika Holcomberg

or anything. But I really do think, yeah, Gazley or something like that. Yeah, exactly. It could have been up in P6, P7. I think he had so much pace this weekend. I don't think it's absolutely gutting for him to be P11. I think you really could have done something special. I agree. It's not like a biggest loser of you were horrendous this weekend. No, no. Because he had a pace. It's a missed out. Biggest opportunity. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Let's get the. into our predictions then that we made on Wednesday to see how we did. It is currently 29, 24 to Tommy. And just strap yourselves in, guys. Strap yourselves in because someone's been in the kitchen and I can tell you it's not boring Bellingham. Right. Let's get the arguments out first. A good surprise. A good surprise. I went for Lewis Hamilton out qualified shall Lecler, beat

Charles Lecler, finished fourth. So that's... Behind a salber. Yeah, behind a salber who had one of his greatest drives ever. So I'm just... I heard Julian Palmer saying afterwards

that he thought, Hamilton had a fantastic weekend. And Julian Palmer is the goat, as far as I'm concerned. How old he's been on the podium? He... He... Of course, he's not had a podium this week.

This year. Of course, he's had his sprint win. So he's equaled his best result For the third time He's had loads of fourths Perfect Fantastic That is a great result for Hamilton

In the seventh fastest car That is the Ferrari You know as well Think about that In the wet Hamilton putting it in fourth In a Ferrari When we're seeing Charles LeCler

Going over flipping Maggots and Becketts And into the gravel I think a podium Would have been the surprise Okay Oh right So

I knew this as well. I know because you said, let's get the argument out, which basically just means you know it's not. No, no, I know that some people will help me. So please help me by commenting and letting Tommy know that he is a horrible ruler. But the thing is, right, I even, I looked back at the predictions episode. And I literally said, I don't know what I can call Hamilton biggest. but good surprise a fourth.

So I then tried to think of all the scenarios where he could get fourth and be called good surprise. And I don't know whether that's the case with this one. But let me know. Okay, it's up for debate. Tommy, what's yours? Mine was George Russell.

Absolutely not. Had a shocker of a race. Still got a point, but no, it was terrible. A big flop. I went four. And by the way, my flop is now flopping. Liam Lawson. That was absolutely correct because, of course, he had that unfortunate incident with Ockon. And was it Snowd that was on the inside? It was three wide and it was never going to happen.

And sadly for Lawson, out of the race before it even begun. And I think I'm now, am I three on the trot now for flops? I think that after a terrible start to the season, it is back and it's big. No context of P1. Speaking of big flop, I went for Charlotte Claire. Yeah, that's disgusting. That was a good one. That is disgusting.

You make me physically unwell. Okay, poll position. I went for Shao LeClair. Close. Sixth place. So sadly not. Well, it is crazy, though, that that wasn't, that was almost like a joke prediction. And he, well, based on his radio, he knew that he had an opportunity to do it.

Yeah. I knew that that was going to go down in the history books if that one came in. And sadly it didn't. So that was even more painful. I went for Oscar Piastri, and he did not. You didn't back your goat. Unbelievable. OK-dokey.

Third position, I went for George Russell, which was incorrect. I went for Lewis Hamilton, which was close. So close. So close. In second place, I went for Oscar Piastri. Ding, ding! I went for George Russell, incorrect. And in first place, I went for Lando Naris.

Wait, the Lando curse is gone, guys. Look at this. We are chefing. You are welcome. Lando Norris fans. You're going to be praying for me to predict him first now, so you're welcome. Wow. Yeah, I went for PS3. No. No. One crazy prediction. As I'm on some serious run of form, we head to me predicting a has makes Q3. And despite Olly Bearman deciding that the red flag means nothing in practice, he still managed to take that car into Q3 and that is another point

for me. Indeed. And I went for Liz Hamilton beat Charlotte Claire in the race, which he did. So point each of the crazy predictions. Okay, I know I was cooking. I didn't think you were actually getting loads rights. That's really annoying now. Can you stop with that one?

Thank you so much. Patreon prediction. Oh, my goodness gracious me. Myself and Zingy L3 have cooked. Salba move up to at least seven. seventh in the constructors, and they are sixth, which is phenomenal work from Salba, and I'm really glad Zingie L3 said move up to at least seventh and not seventh. Yeah, it's correct.

Zingie knows exactly what goes on in this podcast and that the wording is analysed to the last letter. So that is another point for me. Thank you. That's a big dub from the patrons there. I went for Rosies, which was two Brits will lock out the first row of the starting grid, not correct. So you have scored 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 which has got to be one of the biggest scores I think we've had in a long time and I scored 2 so you've closed in it's

31 29. 31 29 as we head into the second half of the season officially I'm so ready to take this fight to you Tommy I can't wait it's going to be a ding-dong are people going to be keeping an eye on the Norris Piesti-Astri title fight or will it be the Gallagher versus Bellingham? We will have to see how that one unfolds. And let's head to the family top three then, or should we really, because your wife decided to completely and utterly goal hang and go for the exact same predictions that my girlfriend

went for. So we just read them all out. We don't even need to be like, oh, in third place. Because we know that Ellie went for Norris first, Russell, second, Hamilton third. And so did your wife. wife. So both of us get one point. Indeed. And what's annoying is, so now it's seven, four to the Bellingham's. What's annoying? How can anything be annoying for you? Well, it's because when Katie, if you listen back and when Katie was like, she went for, you know, she said, I don't

know whether to go for this. And I went, no. She was going to go for Piazre second and was like, okay, I'll stick with Russell. And that would have been a two-pointer. So you'll, you'll, Thought you're lucky. I'm thought, yeah. Yeah, that could have been a four-point lead. Unassailable, maybe, some might be saying in the family predictions group chat. But yeah, okay, there we go. So hopefully it doesn't happen again for the sake of me trying to catch you up in the family top three.

I know that a lot of you watching and listening are enjoying this segment, and I'm very happy that we brought this in because it adds another layer to this podcast. And I believe, Tommy, that is the end. We have, we've spoken over. over an hour, I think, for this. We are very tired, aren't we? We are. But I'm so glad we got this done.

I was so eager to record, and I wanted to just record a podcast almost immediately. But I felt like it was good that we took a little bit of time. I do apologize. It's out a bit later, but we needed to absorb what on earth kind of happened, didn't we, at the same time? We did. And you always do. And anyone that's been to Grand Prix will know that you kind of need to watch it yourselves with all our beautiful timing towers and the usual lot that we see as the Formula One nerds we are

to really analyse every single moment and yeah, Waterray Silverstone certainly delivered again. It certainly did. Thank you Tommy. Thank you to everybody for watching and listening. If you are on the P1 Patreon, stay where you are because we're going to get into some more questions from you lot at patreon.com 4 slash Matt P1 Tommy if you want the extra a little bit of chit-chat. And if not, we'll see you very soon. I love, take care. Adios. Bye. Bye. P1 is a Stack production and part of the ACAST creator network.