P1 with Matt and Tommy - Canadian GP Race Review

Episode Date: June 15, 2025

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the B1 podcast with Matt and Tommy. Canadian Grand Prix is in the bag. That's round 10, I think, if my brain serves me correctly. And, well, we didn't have much to talk about today, do we, Tommy? Not a lot to go on. Oh, I think so, yeah. A really sort of just a teasing race, a race that was just on a knife sedge for a lot of it, which way is it going to go? What strategies are playing out? And then boom, McLaren's come together

to give us an even bigger talking point. How are you feeling ahead of this one? Yes, there's a lot to unpack here because, yeah, I kind of thought it was going to be a normal ending to the race. And then I would kind of go in about a particular subject, but I'm still going to go in on that. But we've also got some spicy McLaren stuff to talk about as well, because it finally happened. Do I see in the distance? Tommy rant coming over the hill. Potentially. Oh, don't say potentially.

Don't you dare tease it, just like the race and then not the liver. Goodness gracious. All right. Well, before we get into all of that, a quick shout out to our wonderful P1 patrons. We'll be getting extra chat at the end of this main race podcast, as well as lots of other amazing perks, including the Discord and also the ad-free listening to this podcast. Okay, here we go. My most memorable moment, the McLaren battle. Oh, don't you worry, everybody.

We're getting straight into it. We're not one of those podcasts that go on and blah, blah, blah, blah for 40 minutes and then go, right, let's talk about McLaren. No, we're here and we're going to discuss it because it was shocking. I can't believe it happened. Firstly, that we got a battle. And secondly, that they came together within about three corners of battling. Just, I mean, you might have seen the social media clip that we put from our watch along up at pretty much a super. as it happened, but we were firstly really enjoying it. The first thing is, wow, Lando's actually

caught and is on the back of Oscar, despite the fact Kimmy Antonelli was giving Oscar some DRS, and around Canada that we're just kind of accepted by this point of the race that no one can really overtake. But it then unfolded. It did. Yeah, it's a crazy thing to think about that Antonelli kind of, because it ended up being a three-car fight with kind of Antonelli getting in there as well and looking like Piastri might even nick the podium from Antonelli, that we were also part of me was going, oh, that's really annoying that you're dragging Oscar in because then it kind of looked like there wasn't going to be a battle, but then there still managed to be one.

And actually, it made it even better because when they were going down the back straight together, they both had DRS, so it wasn't even a case where someone would easily breeze past. They both had DRS, they both kind of went for it. and well, yeah, a big, big mistake from Lando. And it was brilliant up until then. It was great racing. It was respectful racing. But, you know, Lando made the mistake and admitted to it.

It's interesting, isn't it, that we thought on paper, Kimmy giving Oscar DRS was going to not give us the battle that we wanted. When the reality was that Oscar getting too close to the Mercedes was actually causing him to lose time in other areas of the track. That's the air. which allowed Lando to get close. Because, of course, Lando with slightly fresh attires, was still able to stay somewhat near Oscar.

But as soon as Oscar rocked up to the back of the Mercedes, he was then struggling a little bit more, which opened up this battle. Let's get into the first question. P1PATRI member Bush Pass 7. Was the Piastri Norris incident a product of their lack of experience battling with each other? Oh, I didn't, I hadn't thought of it from that angle.

I mean, battling can only be so different when you go between drivers. It's not like it's a complete unknown how Piastri would defend for Norris. I am more of the opinion that it was just a pure and honest, you have to say, because Lando owned up to it immediately. mistake. It was, it's not a lack of experience for, from either side, we've seen plenty of examples of both drivers being able to pull off moves. We have obviously tapped into a little bit Lando's potentially, well, especially against Max Verstappen, lack of confidence when it, when it is about going for a decisive move. And then this one, I mean, he was decisive. He decisively just went into a half car width. gap and just committed full throttle. But now I wouldn't put it down to lack of experience battling with each other because it's not as if Piastri is some wild donkey that Norris was unaware of.

It wasn't a little jolt to the inside from Piastri either. It was just a pure misjudgment from Lando. It was, yeah. You can't say that it was anything with lack of experience battling each other because there is, in my mind, and probably Lando's as well, because he admitted fault, 0% fault for Piastri. It was brilliant up until that moment. I'm amazed and it's all hindsight, of course,

that Lando didn't try to go to the outside because there wasn't a gap. And of course, yes, it would have been difficult to go around the outside, but of course that then gives you the inside going into the next corner. So it was probably worth a shot with the overspeed if he felt like he had to do it there

and it might be his only chance. But instead, yeah, he just went into a gap that wasn't there. You know, we spoke of, about the similarities of Jensen Button and Lewis Hamilton back in Canada 2011 when we first saw it, but the reality of that was Jensen Button put Hamilton in the wall, whereas Oscar has not done anything wrong in the situation. He's defended the inside, and Lando's driven into a gap that wasn't there.

So you can't really blame lack of experience. It's just a mistake from Lando. Yeah, it's a similar part of the track, those two incidents. But as you say, Jensen had left the door open. got his front, his front right, alongside Jensen Button's left rear, and then Jensen just went, goodbye, you're going into the wall now. Whereas, as you say, Oscar was always ahead. And it was, yeah, a bizarre incident. And this is what pressure, moments of deciding within point two of a second, do I go left or right? In hindsight, of course, you would say go to the outside. But I think just in

general, it's such a risky move to put on your teammate. I know he's your championship rival, he's also your teammate, to try that kind of thing. It's so disappointing as well because we've been pleading Lando, like you said, about with Max Verstappen, just go for it. And maybe that was in his head that, you know, I was saying it during the watch long when they were fighting. I was like, Landau, you have to start kind of making Piaastri think twice about you and be worried about you, basically.

But instead, he's come off at losing more points. you know, then he would if they'd just finished first and second. So yeah, it's a big moment, big moment in the season for sure. Certainly is. Next question. People on pitch remember, Motorsport Mike. Are you surprised Norris put his hands up? Any other driver would be like, he turned in on me.

What's he doing? I think he had to. I think he had to say, my bad, because I can't see a world where you can even stretch to say that that was Oscar's fault. It's not even a 90-10% is it. No, no, there is nothing where you go, oh, actually, yeah, Lando did have his front right to Oscars left rear. There wasn't any of that.

It was just a pure misjudgment, as we say. So, and I think Lando, of course, literally was on the team radio immediately. It wasn't even like he had to cool down after he got out of the car. He knew immediately that he had made that mistake. So there's no other route for him to take. If he goes down the route of he turned in on me, this, that and the other, he would just, he would get more flack.

He would get more criticism and negativity if he goes down that route than just being honest and putting his hands up. So he did the right decision because that was what happened. And it's not even just about the negativity of social media, like how you'd handle it with McLaren then going in when it's so clearly his fault and Oscar's got no blame on him to then, it become like a war of words and stuff. So in a weird way for McLaren, it's a kind of,

in a weird way, if they're going to crash, it's kind of lucky on McLaren. It's obviously for the drama of the championship. And I was wanting a bit more spice. It's not as exciting. But it's in a weird way good for McLaren that it was just 100% one driver's fault

that they could immediately throw the hands up in the air. And then, you know, Oscar can be told, which you could see basically from like PR basically saying Lando's admitted to it all this kind of stuff

so he doesn't have to then go into a press conference and go, oh my God, what's he playing at? Blah, blah, blah. And they could just apologise to each other and move on. So from McLaren's side probably is good for them. So yeah, Lando didn't really have any other option.

It's not just that. It is the absolute, if they're going to come together, it's the absolute perfect scenario to be able to move on from because not only was it Lando 100% his fault, but he was also the one that didn't finish.

If it had been Oscar that didn't finish, Lando did, and Lando was out of my hand, you know, my hands up so sorry. But Oscar's lost points, there's going to be a rift there. Well, like when Nika Rosberg had that incident with Hamilton where he gave him a puncture and it was, yeah, and then he kind of,

it doesn't matter if, yeah, like if Lando had given Oscar a puncher to come out of the race and Lando had finished with like just a missing front wing and grabbed some points, then there would be a bit of a, A storm, wouldn't there? Exactly. I did see as well, just as we were starting to record,

that Lando had been summoned to the stewards for the incident with Oscar, but I'm assuming because the team representative would be McLaren, and they'd go, it's a racing incident, and therefore I don't think there would be, because it's kind of a weird thing. But would you get penalty points for what's something that's a crisis fault? I'm not sure if it's, to be honest, I don't think penalty points is something that's of concern to Lando anyway,

No, no, but we'll see. We'll see how that one unfolds. But yeah, I think it will just be deemed as a racing incident because the team representatives are from the same team and they will say, yes, it was a racing incident. Moving on. We move on, yeah. Speaking of, next question, people on page, remember, M. Lackin,

will McLaren stop letting the drivers fight and step in with team orders now they have lost a chunk of points? No, because they've committed to, they've even said, like, Zach Brown has literally said, They will come together, but this is the McLaren way. We let them fight. They're two number one drivers and Nico Rosberg, I think, said after the race. And I completely echo his thoughts of thank you, McLaren, for allowing this to happen.

And for these two to fight, of course, from a championship winning perspective, it gives Max obviously a little bit more of a window in after the misery that was Spain for him. But I don't think McLaren change because they have committed. to this way of thinking. I believe that they may have to revisit it if in the next three Grand Prix every single time Oscar and Lando now come together, then they might have to do something

because as much as we say, oh, they're only focused on the constructors, they don't care about the drivers. They want to win both, but in a way that is probably the least likely by letting the two fight all the time. Yeah, I think they're at the moment at least, and this kind of comes on to the next question,

but at the moment at least they've wrapped up the constructors championship. That's no doubt. And it does very much feel like the pace that they've had all year is going to be between the two McLaren drivers. So not as extreme as Mercedes back in kind of 2014, 15, 16 when they went into every single race. You knew they'd get pole and you knew they'd win. But McLaren are still very dominant. So they have that luxury that they can afford to still go into this. and it's not affected too much.

And of course, as we mentioned earlier, the fact that Oscar is the one that's come out better for it, so it's not kind of affected someone, the person that crashed, is it like ruined his own race and not his teammates. What I do hope is that this doesn't put Lando off going for it again because, and I know he's a driver that can get in its own head, and I hope that when another opportunity comes up,

he doesn't maybe think twice about going for the move because if he wants to win this championship, you're going to have to race your team mate and we're going to have to have that kind of battle again and race them, race them hard and stuff. So yeah, I hope that is the case. And I'm sure McLaren will let them fight because at the moment they've got a very, very healthy lead in both championships. Indeed they do. Oscar gaining points, obviously in terms of his actual championship lead to P2. but yeah we will see and I hope so as well I hope Lando does still go for moves

and the fact that he is now further behind Oscar means he needs to go for these moves even more now to gain some of these points back so he'll review it he'll reflect on it I'm sure he will kick himself for days now about how that went down but he just needs to bounce back for Austria but don't do that collision there as well

so yeah obviously with Max if you remember but it was the right the only positive from this is that he was willing to go for it. The other stuff needed to be improved and I think it's clear to see that he made the wrong choice there. He did everything actually, just going on to that, he did everything right up until the really, really wrong part. And I'm not trying to like defend what he did. But the move into the hairpin was actually the kind of best way to kind of get Piastri on the back foot because it was looking really hard to get DRS.

and go for it. So we had to do a surprise move that, you know, someone like Max would have done as well, like going into that. Then they were side by side. And actually he made a good, he did, did well, even though Oscar Piastri break a lot later. He did well to basically just square off the corner perfectly so he could get an amazing run. But then he just picked the wrong side. I'd love to have seen what would have happened in an alternate reality if he just tried the outside.

You watch the onboard and I think it's pretty clear to see that if he'd committed to the outside line, he would have been half a car length ahead going into term one at least. And then you have the inside to the next quarter. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, it was. And I'm sure he's thinking the very same thing right now. Indeed he is. Question from people on page member, Anastasia W. Did the track not suit McLaren or was it the upgrade that didn't work with the car? I'd love to be able to tell you each of the whole.

low down here. Of course, there's plenty of variables, isn't there? The fact that Piafri went a different route to Norris this weekend in terms of the suspension. You also have the fact that, don't forget, the technical directive came in not that long ago. And yes, Spain they were amazing, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it will work throughout, I think Anthony Davidson was saying, like, we need more than just one race to be able to assess if McLeon have been pegged back at all. And it was surprising to see just how, how much they were struggling. I think as well,

when you look back to Monaco, of course, Piastri struggled a little bit more than the Norris did with the softer set of tyres. Perhaps there is an element there with the McLaren that doesn't work as well, but then Lando won Monaco.

But Monaco is such a unique thing in itself that perhaps it is more about the variable of the tyres coming in that's allowing other teams a sniff. It's hard to pinpoint right now, but it was interesting to see that Piastrian Norris had gone a different route into this weekend. What a crazy situation as well that we got the McLaren fight and it was a battle for fourth. What a mad thing that we're waiting for that battle for them to basically be one-two and fighting for a win and it was over fourth.

And we were getting so excited like it was for the lead. Well, just because we've been so desperate to see it and you know that those two, are the championship fight, you know, realistically, it's looking like it is between those two. And that would have been such a bigger incident had it been for P1 and P2 over P4 and P5. Like that's a 25 point swing. Yeah, as opposed to a 12.

But in terms of like, did the track not suit McLaren, they were definitely slow the normal, but they still definitely could have won the race, had they qualified better. Welcome to Formula One in 2020. and I'll get on to that next. But I don't necessarily think the upgrade didn't work because Lando had it and he looked like the quicker driver,

but it all went wrong for Lando in qualifying that put him on the back foot because, you know, had he qualified better, of course, as if Bucer Mabees, but we've seen the evidence this year that you do qualify and a lot of the time you get into term one first, you're going to win. So I'd be amazed if this continues. I think Austria there's a there's a chance again that we could see McLaren a bit more in the pack

but when we get to your Silverstones and high speed circuits like that I'd be amazed if we're not going to see McLaren won twos again yeah we did see the pace didn't we today in in moments from from McLaren at Lando was the fastest car on track in that final stint of course he did have a slight advantage with the tire life but even when Lando was running out out in front you could see that there was there was some really good pace there, but then even Charles LeClerre, he could have, he could have got pole. He had a fastest first sector. God knows what his race would have looked like.

He could have easily finished on the podium, had qualifying been different. So it was the fact that, of course, it's a shorter track as well. There's going to be smaller margins between the teams over the course of a lap. And yeah, it was, it was just one that was, I found the race quite fascinating. We didn't know which way it was going to go for a very long time. We didn't know if the Lando and Schaul strategy was actually going to pay off, whether we would get a poorly timed VSC or safety car. So it's hard to judge just how much McLaren was or wasn't on the pace,

just purely because they were just constantly in the pack, and they weren't leading from the front, apart from obviously Lando with those older hard tyres. Tommy, let's go to your most memorable moment, please. So my most memorable moment is not a good one. I'll get onto talking about, yeah, a certain guy in P3 who I was very happy about. But yeah, for my most memorable moment, unfortunately, it is a bad one. And that bad one is dirty air because, oh my word, I am sick of this now. And I went into this season thinking, why are they changing the rules?

because we finally got quite close and things like that and we may well go into 2026 and someone be clear of the pack and maybe this will age badly but I will not miss this set of regulations because these cars are an absolute joke with the dirty air now. We've had nine out of the 10 races

where the person into turn 1 has won the race. and I know there was intrigue from strategy and Perelia trying their best to give different strategies and trying to throw in a two-stop but you know we got the same four cars that went into turn one in that order finish the race even despite all those people pitting on different strategies

and the tyres wearing out and things like that it is just so hard to pass and it is so depressing after the first three laps watching everyone just go okay everyone separate out now by a second and a half so you can because you literally cannot pass and you know it's it's a every circuit is becoming monoco and it's very irritating uh i won't i won't miss these cars personally when you look back at it's depressing to look back to think that this regulation was all about overtaking and making it closer and easier to follow and i think

this is way worse now than the end of the last regulations that we saw in 2021 with how cars can pass and follow each other. Wow. Thomas popped off and I enjoy it. I don't enjoy the fact of you know, Dirty Air existing. In terms of the gaps, the Canadian Grand Prix wasn't the worst for dirty air. We've seen three, four seconds be the gaps that some drivers have had in terms of a train, whereas this one, it was one, one and a half seconds they were following reasonably closely and baiting us into thinking that there might be moves, but it still, at the end of the day, has the same result, which is hardly any overtakes unless there is a driver that has much fresher tyres or a much faster car coming through. Now, Liam Lawson was

providing all kinds of train action. They could do a moniker again, pretty much, couldn't he? Yeah, it is sad to see and I agree that I am excited for what next year has to bring as much as all of the negative sentiments from some drivers and the simulations that they've done is that the car's going to be horrendous. I'm sure they will figure that out, to a degree, at least. I'd rather that than this if they can pass each other on the streets. Oh, exactly. They could go 100 miles an hour and if as long as they can pass, I'm all in.

You look back to the start of 2022 where we thought Formula One was fixed. We thought Formula One had finally figured out overtaking. And the ground effect coming in, yes. That first race of Sharley and Max. And Max and Charlotte Saudi was just so brilliant to watch. But the problem is you then give teams time to figure out how to make their cars faster. And also how to make their cars more. draggy and more affecting the air. It is literally a benefit for a team to make the air that they

give off their car to be like essentially Mario Kart banana peels. And yeah, sadly, we've got to the end of these regulations. Yes, it's close and I still, Saturdays are amazing and I did quite enjoy the race at times today, just purely because we didn't know which way it was going to go. But no, not enough of that will-to-will, glorious action that we all live for. Question from P-1 Patreon member, Tardy Tomato. More impressive Kimmy achievement so far. Sprint poll or Canada podium. Sprint pole, I think, was more impressive as a, like a, I mean, they're both incredibly

impressive. I think the sprint pole was like so out of nowhere that we were like, what has just happened. But I think, okay, this is more of like a, I'm thinking more of like an emotional reaction. I think I was more emotionally reacting to the sprint pole but in terms of the most impressive thing that Kimmy has done I think the Canada podium was such a level-headed drive it was he was so quick as well

he was not far off George Russell who was literally the race winner in third he held off both McLaren's behind him as a rookie 10 races into his career it was a phenomenal job from Kimmy he did not luck in to that. There was no virtual safety car, safety car to put him in that position. He pulled off, pulled off an amazing move on Piastri into term one, which essentially locked him in to P3.

I think both you and I, Tommy, and a lot of people watching, probably thought, oh, Kimmy's got Oscar at the start. Oscar all getting back at some point. We thought Oscar was being in championship head mode where he was like, let's not do anything silly with a rookie. And it turned out that he'd never get Kimmy back after that? No. And you know, Kimi was actually more challenging Maxis Stappen than he was under pressure from Piastri from the start of the race, at least. I think it's definitely this podium in Canada

because the sprint pole was incredible. He had a lot of qualifying pace around Miami, but he did slip back in the race and kind of struggled. Sprint pole, just the singular moment of sprint pole. We're not talking about the, you know, what happened after. words. Yeah, of course. But, true, but to deliver a race, that is what's the most difficult thing in Formula One. And it's so different to something like Formula 2, where they don't have these really long races, the tyres are so different from, you know, having to manage them. And actually,

that race where the tyres were degrading quite a lot had rookie struggles written all over it. And actually the fact that Kimmy Antonelli was that close to George is the most impressive thing about it. In qualifying, he was, I think, concerningly quite far away from George and the P4 actually flattered him quite a lot. But it's so impressive that he was actually close to him in the race. Regardless of the safety car, those top five were really close together. And you can say, oh, George was managing, blah, blah, blah. But Kimmy was there. It wasn't like he got a podium, but he was full.

40 seconds behind Russell because they had the best car this weekend. He was close. It was a brilliant, brilliant performance from Kimmy. Yeah, and you think as well, we're looking at what Oscar Piastri is or becoming in his third season. I think Kimmy Antonelli being that close to George Russell at any point during his rookie season is something that should excite Toto Wolf very much. And I think it certainly does. I think with Kimmy, people have to remember, and I'm not saying, that what other rookies are doing is not impressive but what Kimmy obviously like there's still a lot for him to to show I think and I wouldn't put him as rookie of the year so far

maybe we get to the end of the season and that is the case but people I think need to remember that like his teammate is George Russell he's one of the best drivers in Formula One and that's what's making it so difficult for for him so the fact that he's now had a race where he's on his pace is very exciting and he's hoping that you know he can he can do that again because you never know where he's he's definitely got kind of the racecraft and the confidence and stuff um hope it hope it kickstart something and the weight he's carrying as well driving for Mercedes hamilton's shoes you know he's he's literally going into the cockpit of

where Hamilton once sat. So that is definitely something that he has to carry compared to the other rookies. He's not rookie the season so far, but he's definitely nudged himself up towards that spot if he keeps up with these kind of performances. Imagine saying Kimmy Antonelli would get a Grand Prix podium before Lewis Hamilton this season. That is quite something.

That is wild, actually. That is definitely not something I would have put in my predictions, but that's clear because I never get any of my predictions, right. P1PATRIM member, Luca Cousy, with George only 40 points behind Lando, if Merck finds performance, is he still in it? Okay, I think we need to relax on the Russell Mercedes hype train. I still firmly believe that McLaren have the fastest car over the course of not just the season we've seen, but for the rest of the season as well.

If we get to Austria and Merck are like, I see those hot temperatures and I don't care, I don't care anymore. We're all Gucci. We're fighting at the front. Then perhaps, because Russell is having an amazing season. You cannot deny that. And George is absolutely running with a huge amount of momentum. He just doesn't have the car week in, week out.

Similar to Max Verstappen at Red Bull, it has to be said, where I cannot in my brain right now fathom anyone other than either Oscar Piastri, more likely at the moment, Orlando Norris winning this world championship. But that's not to take anything away from George. He is maximising almost every single weekend, spawning in P3s, winning this weekend. He's doing a phenomenal job.

He is. I mean, you say, is he still in it? Because he's 40 points behind Lando. It doesn't matter because he's 62 points behind Piastri, who's the championship leader. And I can't see him catching 62 points on Piastri to win the championship. that would be an absolute monumental comeback and would rely on McLaren falling off a cliff a bit

and I don't see that personally. Or just having two number one drivers battle every single week. Or them crushing every single week. Yeah, exactly. I'd be amazed, obviously, you look at Max, who's 19 points ahead of George and still going back to Spain thinking had he had those, extra points without what he did in Spain. He'd be pretty close to Lando now, actually, and maybe it would feel a bit more like a very slim outside chance, but certainly not saying it's done and you never know in Formula One, but Oscar Piastri is going to take some beating now. To say that he's had his poorest weekend and still come out extending his championship lead, that is what World Champions do.

we've said that about so many world champions before. It's not about dominating when you've got a great car underneath you, although that is part of it. It's those weekends where things aren't going right. He looked poor in practice.

He hit the wall. The wall of champions, is that a sign? And yeah, he's done amazingly well to basically extend his championship lead after all that. He really has. Yeah, he's definitely going to be a difficult one to beat,

especially if his main competitor is Lando and Lando, of course, making this big mistake this weekend. It's a big swing of points. Yeah, I mean, it's not completely out the realm's possibility that Russell beats Lando in the championship maybe or Max. But to get all the way to Lando is going to be one hell of a task. But, hey, if he does, it means we've had some very spicy races between now and the end of the season, so I'm here for it.

Oh no, now we head to the next question from P1 Patreon member, Captain Obs 3, 420. When will Ferrari start listening to LeCleur? I think I want to reshape this question into when will LeCler just do what he wants to do? When will LeClaire stop listening to Ferrari? Yeah, I will obviously back Charles to the ends of the earth. but I also felt like, and I have felt many times, to be fair, Shal has been on the right track, you know, as in the right strategy call that he might be trying to go for or whatever.

I felt a lot of times Shal has been on, you know, had the right thinking and then peeled into the pits and said, why have we done this? Why have you put me on this tire, whatever it might be? We've seen, you know, the greats, the Hamilton's, the Vestappans, override team orders, not team orders, but team strategy. Decisions, yeah. So many times. We've seen signs do it.

We've seen a lot of drivers get great results by ignoring their team. And sadly, Ferrari, they, I don't know what they were doing today. I don't have a clue because they either pitch Charles and go on the aggressive on the mediums or they go with the one stop, which I think is what Charles would. was trying to go for, which was another route. Or they just commit to staying out till lap 69, nice, and then pit and hope for a virtual safety car or a safety car. You have to commit to something.

But instead, they left him out, I think, to lap 52. He came out the pits on fresh mediums. And he was 12 seconds or whatever it was behind Lando, maybe 10. And it's no way he's going to catch that in 12 laps. So then I think, well, my understanding would be that Charles has just thought, right, let me try and keep these mediums in somewhat of a good window in case there is a safety car at the end because he didn't even catch up to them. I don't think he lost time. I don't think he lost time. Now, that might be complete delirium. I mean, actually was just really slow on the fresh mediums. But my logic is saying that he wasn't slower than Lando because he wasn't slower than Lando for most of the race up until that point. So it was frustrating. It was really frustrating to listen to that because I felt like a podium could have been on the. the cards, but it just didn't go that way. I think the stupid thing about it is that there was an absolute chasm between the top

runners and the midfielders. You saw it pretty much on that one opened up. And obviously Lewis Hamilton had his own problems for, you know, the damage that he had, which meant that he was further back. So there was a massive gap to slot into. So you do something really risky, you're finishing fifth. or you do what Ferrari did and finish fifth. But you do something really risky and it goes badly.

You're finishing fifth, but you might get a second or a third, maybe, or a fourth, and get a better result. And it is painful to watch Charlotte Claire in his seventh season with Ferrari still arguing with them like he doesn't trust them. like Lewis Hamilton at Mercedes, that relationship that he had with Bono, you know, it didn't happen overnight, but, you know, it grew over years and years,

same with the Stappan and GP, that you kind of grow that bond. So for LeCler to still be at the same team for seven years and still basically, then never seeming to agree with each other, is just shock. Don't you dare tell me that there's been a penalty? I've just seen your eyes light up

No No no no no relax Don't you dare tell me that No no but there has been a protest Lodged by Oracle Red Ball Racing Against the driver of car 63 Right let's talk about this because I wanted to talk about it Okay well there you go

That's so obviously that's for the the braking Excessively under the safety car Let's talk about it Tommy Because I think it might be about to kick off Yeah, I was very intrigued by that incident personally. It got kind of brushed under the rug a bit, didn't it? And to be fair, like they went into the cool-down room, didn't they as well? They didn't speak about it or, you know, Georgia Max shook hands and stuff.

But, you know, maybe this is the Maxx of Stepan fanboy kicking in here. But you reverse those roles and Max Verstappen slams the brakes on to basically try and get another driver punished, everyone would be calling for that extra penalty point for him to get him banned. So George Russell, I don't know if I think it's a penalty or not, maybe it's not, but it's also incredibly risky to do something silly just to kind of get a driver you don't like banned

or a bit of gamesmanship for no reason. And there's no doubt in my mind that you switch those two drivers around, this incident would have blown up and people would be talking about it so much that why is he just slammed the brakes on? Because I know Max was alongside him, but if he'd gone into the back of him, George would have got a penalty because he's just hit the brakes down the straight. So how does that pan out?

I'm not saying it's like, yes, you give George a penalty. I'm more thinking, why on earth did he do it? Because it's a massive risk. it. What's it, you know, you're about to win the race. You've got the win guaranteed in the bag. And, you know, I don't think this penalty would go anywhere personally, but why risk it? It's a bit of a silly thing to do. It opens. It's a slim opportunity for the stewards to deem that this was dangerous driving. Because, of course, there are rules in place. Like, you can't be further than 10 car lengths, I think it is behind the safety car.

I didn't specify in that document what exactly Red Bull are protesting, whether it's the braking, the dangerous strike, whatever. But yeah, it was a strange one. I'm sure from George's cockpit, it's a case of, oh, yeah, I'm just going to break a bit harder, warm up the brakes, warm up the tires, doesn't matter. But the thing is, I don't know, do they really have any sort of excuse for doing that? because it's quite clear that the race is not going to get underway anyway. And Russell has braked unnecessarily hard.

And can I just say, I'm just watching this replay right now. He looks in his right mirror, slams the brakes on, and within a millisecond presses the radio button, which will be him saying he's overtaken me a penalty. That is, there's no way that's not him trying his luck to get a race band for Mac. It's cheeky. It's very cheeky. And it's risky. It's incredibly risky. I don't think any, I personally don't think anything comes of this. But it is big that Rebel have literally protested George winning this race. So that in itself is something we'll have to keep an eye on. Can you imagine if he lost the win for just trying to get Max banned? Like, that would be even more unbearable about the fact of Spain and how that unfolded because he'll be even closer because Max will win the race. But yeah, it would also just, It dares not think about for George Russell. Jimmy Anthony P2 though.

It's a crazy situation, though. Crazy. Okay, next question. P1 page remember PGO Stick 1. When will Hulk get a car that doesn't suck? I mean, Hulk has had many cars that don't suck. Not really good ones, but yeah, not ones of... Not...

Yeah, not championship winning. But they don't suck. they were, you know, he's, as I've said, probably for his entire career, he is a phenomenal midfielder. Like he can score points a lot of the time, even when cars potentially aren't that great. That's Holkenberg in a nutshell. Is he a champion in the making? No, I don't think so. And that's the reason why he's never had a podium.

Of course, there has been bad luck involved in that as well, but he has also thrown away opportunities where podiums were on the cards. but Hulk has been amazing this season he's just so level-headed like he just knows that there's no expectation in that car and he's delivered a P-5 in Spain and then a P-8 here in a car that don't get me wrong

has improved and I would even almost say that I don't think it sucks as much as at least it did like it is a midfield car now they're able to fight with the midfielders now yeah Bortoletto's not half a minute off the back of the pack and Hulk's up there in P8. But Nico's done phenomenally well.

He certainly has. Yeah, he's got 20 points on the board now, which is 20 more than I thought he'd get. Because, yeah, it's amazing to see. And I guess Holkenberg is just praying that Audi deliver a decent car. I mean, that would be great. If Hulk can just get one podium, that would be just lovely. I think the whole of Formula One would be chanting his name. Imagine Chiffy got it in the Salba though when everyone was so convinced that, you know,

they're the worst team on the grid. He's got no chance. It's all about Audi and then he gets one. I think even the stewards would turn a blind eye. The stewards would turn a blind eye if he just cut the last chican and took a, took a podium at one of the races. He was running in P5, P4, just corner cut. You know, just do something crazy. To be fair.

So we've got George Russell under investigation. We've got Kimi Antonelli Piastri LeCler under investigation. If they all get penalised, Holkenberg will be fourth. Wow, can you imagine? Oh, so close. I mean, that would be horrible if he did somehow get an inherited P3. We'd have to go back everybody, the fans, the teams would have to go back to the track to do another podium ceremony.

Holcomburg podium party. And then he literally sell tickets to an event where he gets on the podium with spray champagne and all his fans can be there to chair. It would have to happen. Yeah, for sure. Okay, we now head to biggest winner, driver or team. My biggest winner, I think it has to be Mercedes as a team, is what I'm going to go with. Not purely because, obviously, Kimmy Anderson only got his first podium, George won,

but just the fact of it was kind of unexpected coming into this weekend, the level of which they were going to perform. But then also today, when we were speaking about, oh, it's mid-40 degree track temperatures. I think we were all starting to think, okay, they might actually struggle a little bit here. But they didn't. So, Merck for me.

It's got to be Merck, yeah. The fact that, yeah, they got both drivers on the podium for now. But no, I think they will stay there. Yeah, they were very much the big winners of the day as well. Nika Holkenberg, but, you know, Holcombberg scoring points now is just predictable and boring. It's just normal. Yeah, it's just another day in the office for Holkneberg. Biggest loser.

Lando Norris, is that anyone else? Like, surely. Yeah, it's a huge loss for Lando. I'd say Alex Albon's weekend was pretty shocking. Pretty diabolical. To think that when we got into practice and it was like, Williams podium, anyone? and they're looking so good

and then no points around. They've had a couple of pretty poor weekends in Spain and then also here as well. So yeah, but I think Landon Norris is, it has to be. It's the big talking point, sadly. Right, let's reflect on our predictions

that we made on Wednesday and see how we did. I have a good feeling about this one that some advantages will be towards myself. It's currently 2417 to Tommy. So Tommy having a stinker is absolutely something I need. A good surprise. I went for Kimmy Antonelli. Let me just pull out my smug face. I'd love to be like, well, technically he was behind us. Technically, he lost. He was too. First podium. Yeah. Brilliant from Kimmy.

I went for Lewis Hamilton, who had a shocker. Yes, he did. Had a shocking race due to damage poor strategy qualified charlerclair you know one of the best qualifiers ever don't you dare agile with his flipping banana pill dirty air but yeah Hamilton yeah

eating a groundhog losing 20 points of down force which I think Martin Brundle said in commentary is about half a second a lap and then yeah it's just in no man's land so just an unlucky race for Hamilton but also as you say Ferrari strategy was questionable to say the least with him

putting him out in a lot of traffic. A big flop. I went for Isaac Hadjar. I don't even know where he finished. It's because he finished 16th. That's a flop. I didn't even realize I scored a point for that one. Oh my God, I didn't either.

Oh my God. Can we get some Ws in the chat? Wait, we're not live streaming. Goodness. Oh, I can't believe that. Oh, no. And Sonoda, he didn't have a stinker, did he? No, he didn't.

He finished 12th, which was better than he did last time. How is a Red Bull in 10? 12, not a stinker. Yeah, crazy. Wow, we. Okay, now we go to something where I was obviously going to get something wrong, and of course it has to be scientifically studied

because I backed Lando Norris for pole position. And he messed up, didn't he? And I went for Oscar Piastri, and he also did not get pole position, and I was so close to going for George Russell, and I was like, no, I'm going to extend my lead even further. I love how you're trying to extend your lead when it's seven points clear.

This is what happens. Yeah, this is calmer. Right, third position. I went for Oscar Piastri in the race, and that did not happen. I went for Landon-Norris. Didn't happen. Second place, I went for Max Verstappen, which did happen. Did happen as of now.

And I went for... As of now. I went for George Russell in P2. No. No. And in first place, I went for Landon-Norris. No. And I went for Oscar Piastepastri.

Oh, that's so annoying. Imagine that we, I think, I think. we were like roasting the family top threes for like, why are you going for McLaren? No McLaren on the podium. Crazy. Yeah, that could have been a crazy prediction. That would be like a three-pointer.

Okay, so one crazy prediction, I went for there will be an incident that questions whether Max will be banned or not. Now, this needs to go to the stewards. This needs to go to the stewards, but I feel like I have a case here because there was a literal incident where, George did the breaky thing.

Yeah, and it was naughty. Don't get me wrong. But did we or did we not question? Max going past him and going, that could be a penalty point. That's my case, Your Honor. That's my case. We'll open up to the YouTube comments.

Okay. Chat, you've got to help me out here. Please. Come on. Like, top comment that saying I deserve a point. Okay, please. We'll see. We'll see.

Help me out. Oh, my God. Kimmy, Anthony. nearly on the podium. You did? I forgot you did that. I did, yeah. Okay, you're the goat all of a sudden again.

Fair enough. Now we go to our Patreon prediction, where if you're part of our P-1 Patreon, you can submit a prediction every single race weekend and be part of this wonderful podcast and help us score points. Mine was from Edith,

is my middle name. We finally get the McLaren fight. Oh my God, I've got my chef apron on right now. We're closing the gap. That is crazy. You've got good surprise. Big flop.

A point from your top three may be a point from crazy prediction and the page of prediction. Oh my word. So the only things I got wrong were to do with McLaren. Norris. Basically Norris's position, Piastra's position and Paul position Lando. Are you kidding me? Wow. And I went for Nicole's, which was Q3 for a sell-butt, which was wrong.

they got points. They were in the points, but did not get into Q3. Shocking. So that has given you one, two, three, four points, maybe five. Wow. Huge. So, so we'll go. 21, maybe 22.

25, 21, maybe even 22. So it's four, maybe three points. Chat, help me, Michael Massey. This, get involved, please. And I keep saying chat, but that's the easiest way to say. but if you don't watch I'll watch along and you're like, why the hell are you calling us that?

Right, family top three. It's currently six three to the Bellingham's, boo, no one cares, boo. So my girlfriend, Ellie, went for third place. Max Verstappen.

New. My mother went for Sherlock Claire in P3. New. In the second place, Ellie went for Piastri. My mom went for Oscar Piazzari. as well. And then in first place,

Ellie went for Lando Norris. So that's a grand whopping zero points for the Gallagos. And my mum went for Max Verstappen, which is a note. Actually, can we just... Could come in? It could. Well, yeah,

maybe. Maybe that could all change. Who knows? So now I'm in two minds. In one mind, I'm like, Max Verstappen wins the race in Canada, closes the gap to the MacClaz. We get a good championship. My other mind, I really want to win the family predictions.

Speaking of just predictions in general, so you mentioned about can it be studied, you went for Lando Norris pole position and he messed up his qualifying lap and then you and Ellie both predicted him. You gave him the double jinks and then he smashed into his teammate and got a DNF. Yeah, just I think there'll be a lot of Lando fans watching this podcast just saying just don't even say his name through the whole next podcast, please. I am sorry. This is an actual apology for all Lando Norris fans that genuinely believe that it's my fault.

Someone needs to go back through. We need to go back through, don't we, at some point, and look and actually see. Whether an amazing listener wants to do that and collate a little spreadsheet for us, our DMs are open. That would be lovely. If not, we'll get Tommy to go and go through all the archives. But if you do have that somehow noted down, then please do send it over to us because we would love to see just how bad this curse or so-called curse. is, but I feel like it is actually a curse, and I'm really, really sorry. And that is that.

We are done here for the main race review. Remember, if you are a P1 Patreon, stick around because we've got some extra chat coming for you, Patreon.com 4 slash Matt P1, Tommy, if you haven't joined the wonderful P1 Patreon Club. Tommy, what are your final thoughts, please, sir? My final thoughts are I will just give a shout out to Mr. Robert Kubitsa who won Le Mans today, because if anyone was... a Formula One fan maybe in recent years, may have just watched him in the Williams and thought,

oh, you know, he was all right. If you watched Formula One in the late 2010s, he was a very, very special driver indeed. I think we were robbed of watching, you know, how good his career could have been after his kind of really horrific rally accident. So for him to win Lamont, I think was a really, very special moment and a very cool thing to see. Yeah, I completely echo your thoughts, Tommy. What an amazing achievement for Kubitsa, who was such an amazing talent. I don't think, if you didn't watch Formula One back then, he was destined for Ferrari. He literally won the championships in a Salba. Yeah, and then Salba were like, nah, they don't actually fancy winning this one. Let's win next year instead. And then we're terrible. Yeah, and then they were rubbish. But yeah,

big shout out to both Ferrari, of course, and yeah, Robert Kubitsa for winning LeMont. Awesome stuff. Right, that is it. We will see you in a couple of weeks time for the next race weekend, which is in Austria, my birthday weekend, Tommy. I look forward to the cake arriving. With your face on it. That is not, that's not, no, that's not, no, that's not, that's not the end of the P1 podcast. That's not the main thing. That's a Patreon thing.

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