P1 with Matt and Tommy - Dutch GP Race Review

Episode Date: August 31, 2025

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the people on podcast with Matt and Tommy. We are here to reflect on the Dutch Grand Prix, a race that. We were teased a lot of rain, weren't we, Tommy? We would tease so much rain. Rain in three laps, rain and a little, a little bit of moisture. But that is not actually even the close to the talking points that we have to discuss today, is there? There's quite a few. We thought it might be one of those podcasts where we just go, yeah, we got one more

Zanvort to go. Perhaps it'll be pretty good that time because this race wasn't, but then it all just sort of kicked off in a very strange way. It certainly did. I thought we'd be doing a whole hour podcast about how Carlos Hines's penalty wasn't deserved, but instead, yeah,

plenty of craziness at the end. It all just hell broke loose at the end, didn't it? It certainly did. Safety cars, virtual safety cars, everything else was proper popping off. Now, before we get into everything, Formula One, Dutch Grand Prix related. A shout out to our P1 live shows in Australia.

Get your tickets as there are barely any left. I know. It sounds like a marketing pitch. It really isn't. Now, I'm going to get shouted at Tommy if I don't say the dates and where they are. So can you do that? Because I don't have enough hands.

Maybe we have to cut into it. But I know I'm going to get shouted at if we don't say where it is. Okay, so we have the 7th of May, 2026, of course, at Melbourne National Theatre. Sydney, the 9th of May at Seymour Centre. Brisbane the Tivoli on the 11th of May and Perth Astor Theatre on the 13th of May There you go

shoutouts have been done and another one to our wonderful patrons who'll be getting extra chat at the end of every single race review this year and we've got lots to talk about so let's dive straight into it Tommy why don't you begin with your most memorable moment well it has to be landed in ORIS's DNF a sad moment in the championship fight of course because we even said in our,

when we're doing our bold predictions that how much we didn't want reliability to get involved in any way. And it's just absolutely gutting because, you know, even though Piastri was always going to win that race, he was brilliant and it doesn't take anything away from him, but you just don't want to see a driver basically lose a chunk of points through a mechanical failure

because it's been such a good championship fight. They've been so close all year. We really just wanted this one. And it may still balance out. You never know. But we wanted this one really to just be like done on the track 100%. Let them switch one to every single weekend and go down to the wire. But instead, it has, of course, made it quite a big gap in the championship.

Because, of course, Piastri picked up all 20. 25 points and Lando ended up with nothing. You certainly did, yeah. It's definitely one of the biggest moments for sure. The championship, you know, it's constantly like, oh, Lando gets a few points here. Oscar then fights back. And we were obviously talking about the fact that Lando's had three of the last

four wins. And we're wondering, is this the momentum now going in Lando's favour? But it's a huge blow for Lando's championship. It's not unassailable by any stretch of the imagination. We've still got nine races to go. So many points. If Lando's able to win, say, five on a bounce, then he will take the championship lead. But the thing is, Oscar was marginally better this weekend.

And Oscar has been better a lot of weekends this season. Landos, of course, had his moments as well. But it's going to be so hard for Lando to pick himself up from this. And I did find it kind of bizarre, like the whole sort of post-race sort of, not commentary, but on Sky, you know, listening to them chat about, is this Lando now, you know, sort of let loose? Is he now going to drive angry? And I'm like, what are we talking about here?

He's lost 25 points. This is bad for Lando. This cannot be switched around to being a positive. It is a massive blow for his championship chances. And taking away that pressure might help in the long run, but the pressure will only build again when he starts to catch Oscar if he ever does. So for me, it's a massive blow for Lando. Oscar is, without a doubt, the favourite buyer.

by a country mile now, it has to be said, because it's not like he's lucked himself into this position. He's led the championship for so many races now. I can't remember exactly how many I think it's about 10 or so. So yeah, it's going to be really difficult for Lando. It's not impossible, but you never want to see it. You never want to see a reliability issue. Of course, you had like Hamilton and Rosberg when they were just trading wins and things like that. And then Hamilton had his engine failure in Malaysia. These are massive swings in the championship. Yes, Lando still would have lost seven points to Oscar this time. time out, but it wouldn't have been 25. So a tough one to swallow for sure. Let's go into a question

from P1Pitch, remember medium speed corner. It's not high, not low, medium. So about that McLaren reliability you mentioned in the last episode. Tommy, we talked about it, said they were bulletproof and it can happen. I've got an apology to make. Yeah, you've got an apology. It hasn't been fully confirmed exactly what the issue has been. And I know that there was a bit of hesitation over whether it's, you can solely blame it on the engine or whether it's chassis or whatever. But these things can happen. It hadn't happened for Lando for years, hasn't it? They're a reliability issue, I don't think. But it has happened, and you need to now apologize to all Lando fans out there. Thank you. I will apologize. I actually listened back to the episode, and it's even worse

than I remembered. I'm going to actually go, I'm just going to play a very short clip. of it because it is. We've done some really poorly aged things. This might be the worst. No, because it would have to be a crash as well because when I was looking at this, I don't know if I kind of hadn't really thought of this and I'm not really seen this around. So I apologize now because I'm going to jinx it because every time a stack gets brought up, the next race, it all goes wrong. But that being said, I kind of felt like McLaren don't ever have mechanical failures and break down. And there we go.

And then I basically went on to talk about how Lando Norris didn't have a mechanical failure for the last five years. And literally the very next race, his car conks out. So it's just gutting because they have been bulletproof. I know it's like it's unfortunate jinxing, but they have been bulletproof. And that's something that McLaren had in their locker, that their car has been so reliable for all these years. and just yeah it's a gutting time for it to for that streak to end basically for sure um that being said

if it is going to happen or rather happen now than four three races to go where some will then have more than a race win in hand if we're talking about like absolute worst case scenarios but it's still not good for the championship at all but as you say it can level out things can happen a crash can happen whatever um i think even mark webber said didn't he after after the race as well he doesn't he never takes interviews but he did one and he was saying look yeah, we've got points, but it doesn't be anything. He knows all too well. Yeah.

He knows all too well. Literally 2010. It was a championship fight between Mark Weber and Fernando Alonzo and then Sebastian Vettel and it was all that kind of like, Web was going to win the championship. And he's basically got one hand on the championship. And it can completely change. Like, you can't just say it's over. You certainly can't.

Next question, people on Patreon member, Tote. Do we think Oscar has won? hand on the World Driver's Championship now. I think he has like maybe three fingers. That's what I'd say. That's kind of of one hand. Yeah, I think you go back to my last point. He's ahead.

He's definitely the favourite. He's delivering week in, week out. He's right there. He's not really having off weekends where, you know, perhaps in the last few years where he was learning in his, one of his rookie season, he's only in his third season. In his last two seasons, he's, yeah, he's had moments where he's not been on the pace. The race pace has struggled, but we're not seeing that this year.

So, yeah, Oscar has to be the favorite. And you look at, I think Mark put it quite nicely of like the places where it could go wrong. You've got Brazil. Of course, you know, there's Azerbaijan, which he mentioned where big mistakes can happen. You've got Singapore. It's definitely looking in his favour, but let's relax. He's not the world champion. There's nine races to go.

Nine times 25 is 225 plus the sprint races as well. a lot of points on the board. Absolutely. It's ridiculous to say championship over. You don't know what's going to happen in Formula One. Yes, it's going to be, I think the most difficult thing is the fact that McLaren are so quick, so they're kind of going to be locking in one-toos. But Landis had a mechanical failure. It's not guaranteed that Oscar's not going to have one.

And equally, because McLaren are so quick, you've got to think that if Oscar did have a mechanical failure, it's very, very, very, unlikely that it wouldn't be anything other than 25 points back towards Lando because McLaren are so clear that they're so so this is the thing it's not like you've got other drivers in the mix so it can easily go back the other way I think to to get too far ahead and be like oh Oscar's got a hand on the trophy it's over we've only just got nine races there's a lot of points like you say and sprint points and things like that and anything can happen you're to go to difficult circuits like Singapore and only takes a crazy rain shower.

Look at how the championship right at the very start of the year, when Lando had that championship lead and how well Oscar was doing at the start, we were saying, oh, imagine if Oscar hadn't gone off at Melbourne, he'd be way clear and stuff like that. So it can completely change again. It can only take literally one moment and Lando could be a right. right back in it. So, and that's not me even like trying to hype it up when it's not there, because it's still very much on in my opinion. I think we've watched, I've watched Formula One far too long to basically be like, yeah, Oscars won the championship, because it happens all

the time. I remember having the conversation even in 2021 about when Max had won a couple of races towards the final hurdle and you kind of thought, oh, no way is Mercedes going to be able to do it. And then Hamilton got the new engine, absolutely dominated the end of the season. And it was incredibly close. We talked about Mark Weber. We've had Lewis Hamilton losing the championship when he went into the gravel.

So many things can happen. They certainly can. Let's head to my most memorable moment now, as that was a big moment, but not the only one. Because mine was Leclair and Antonelli, coming together. Just two wonderful pals. at turn three banking,

having a little ding-dong. Well, no, actually just a ding, because Charles didn't want the dong. That's one of the strangest things I've ever said. Yes, that is the greatest slipper ever. Wow. You know what I'm trying to say. Shard didn't want to play ball, okay?

And he had to, sadly, because Kimmy Antonelli, look, okay, so he pipped, what, the lap before, I think, Kimmy, they went for an aggressive strategy with the soft tires, went for a two-stop, Leclair and Ferrari decided to cover him rather than just stay out, which was an interesting decision.

And Charles, despite getting yeated the first thing, or at least the first thing we heard, was that he questioned the strategy rather than getting punted. That was wild, by the way, that he did that. Yeah, yeah. Well, we don't get all of the team radio stuff. But, like, yeah, that was the first thing that was fed to us anyway. So, yeah, how do I feel about that? Because I know a lot of people will be questioning that.

It wasn't for the win. so I was still obviously mortified and I felt like it was a very poor move from Antonelli of course his tires were up to speed up to temperature and he went for an audacious turn three move but just completely completely misjudged it and it wasn't even like LeCleur was at the top of the banking and Kimmy was at the bottom

and he just understood all the way to the top of the banking to take out Lecler it's a shame because Ferrari you know we looked on Friday and I know I wasn't on the podcast then but I was just sat there going, we are absolutely finished. And then there was a chance that LeCler could have even got a podium

had it been maybe slightly more fortunate, but he was on for a top five, which I thought was going to be completely an athlete out of the equation after Friday. So yeah, it is disappointing for sure, but it's not the end of the world, I guess, but thanks to all the thousands of people that tuned in to the watch along when it happened.

Yeah, they're not in the championship or anything like that. like you say as I don't want P2 and the constructors either take it I want the wind tunnel time take it just finish PISA or something or right this year and finish with a win but it's also disappointing for

Antonelli because from his side he was about to after quite a difficult start to the weekend with going off in practice and then not making it into Q3 he was on for beating George Russell and then instead you know he's gone

We should probably gone for an absolutely damage after the Yeah true Yeah it's obviously that But it's but it's still He's still going to finish ahead of him on track And even in all the context

It would have been a big confidence boost for him Because he's had a really bad run of form Going into the summer break We said many times that he's the one that needed that summer break To do something completely different And he's probably had one of his worse races Has to be said because Yeah

it just didn't need to happen. I know he's a young rookie desperate to try and prove himself and I said he's one of these drivers. This is why I was excited to see him in Formula One going for moves, but not ones that literally aren't on. And it's

almost near impossible to do a move there. I think even there was even a clip doing the rounds of like Max and Gabby Bortoletto speaking about it saying, you know, it's impossible to take the low line because you just can't

carrying your speed through there so overtaking is pretty much impossible but kimmy still tried it and he's always going to just go into into the side of him and just didn't need to happen for kimi antonelli yeah it's a disaster for kimi in the sense of a big points hall gone missing i guess the small positive side is that he was showing that speed you know to beat george russell on the track of course george having that damage but he was still there he was still having a decent race but that i think is that's a judgment that I don't think many of the drivers that have at least a few seasons under their belt would have taken because it's just not worth the risk especially when you reflect on how Antonelli was as you say before the summer break he was needing that to just reset and

recharge and look the pace is there but it's a rookie error it's an absolute stone cold rookie error to have gone for that move when he shouldn't have and I keep saying like he'll learn but you know he's having a few moments now and he's of course was struggling for pace as well before the summer break. Thankfully he's fixed that one, but he needs to not be crashing into Charles LeClaire in particular, please. And thank you very much. Yeah, don't do that ever again. Next question comes from near void. Did Ferrari really need to pit LeCler when his tyres were decent?

No. I'm really surprised they did do that. It seemed like a classic case and I can't believe it still happened because of it. of Hungary that you you saw how difficult it was to overtake. Fernando Alonzo, I thought, was a crazy strategy for what he did to basically sacrifice his position, go all the way to back of a massive DRS train. And yes, he overtook DRS. A little bit.

DERS train. It's the Dutch thing. No, and go through the fact that he passed Holkenberg. It was kind of like, oh, he can make one position up, but very much. slowly and everything we spoke about the Hungarian Grand Prix I can't believe they were still kind of trying to risk stuff like that and maybe Alex Albon who we spoke to and he said you know we asked him why did you do the one stop in why didn't you do the one stop in Hungary and he was like well yeah exactly he stuck to his guns and

stayed out didn't he whenever when I guess Leclair pitted Leclair sacrificed the place to well Ben, end up getting a great result. And then there's other people like Lance Stroll who did the same thing of just not not pitting until there were safety cars and things. And it got him a great result. So I just don't believe, I can't believe that people do these risky strategies of going for a two-stop when we've just seen just how hard it is to overtake. Yeah, look, I've, my brain has been fully focused on the incident itself that it hasn't really, at least until now started to process why Charle was even in that position because yeah he went behind russell and alban i think at the time um to cover kimmy antonelli yeah it's it's a bizarre choice for sure um

it makes me think like is there just a fundamental communication issue at ferrari with both drivers where they just make decisions and the drivers have to accept it that it that's the way that i feel like Obviously, that's the one thing I've probably been slightly critical of Charle about is the fact that I would love to see him just say no to things and do what he thinks is correct. Yeah, rather than like afterwards going, well, I think we should have done this. It's Sanfurt. Alonzo rocked up to the back of literally the back of the field and, yeah, started to make a couple of moves and stuff. But it wasn't plain sailing. And as you say, Alex Albon, the podcast we did with him, if you haven't watched it, go and watch it. It's amazing. The fact that he gave us that sort of insight of, well, you know, we have like an optimal sort of strategy thing, the two-stop versus the one-stop and you need X amount of differential in order to cruise past the car ahead and you can see the data and it says you should do this. But then he goes, well, when DRS trains happen and when this happens and when that happens, things can change. It's like, well, yes. So therefore, the formula does.

It can't work. It's not the same conditions every single time. So for me, yeah, I was very surprised. It's almost like Ferrari didn't know that Charles had good tires and was fine. And I'm like, they're making decisions without maybe the full picture, even though they feel like they've got the full picture of the pit wall. How about Charles Lecler, the guy that's driving it? So he shouldn't have been in that position. No, I think I do agree with that, to be honest with you. And just carried on his merry way without getting punted. P-1Pitch remember Pickle Nick. Does Mercedes need to demote Kimmy?

Bit harsh. It's a bit harsh. The guy's in his rookie season. He got Miami Sprint pole, which I don't know how long that will sort of hold him in the positive eyes of some people. It does feel like a very long time ago. But of course he had a podium at Canada.

And I think there's no demotion in site for Kimmy Antonelli. We know that with Toto Wolf and how much he's invested in him and how much he believes in him. And I think it's fair that the belief is there because he's shown mistakes, yes, he's shown occasional lack of confidence, but he's also shown that there is a high ceiling. And that's all you really need to prove as a rookie in your first season, I think, especially in Kimmy's position where Toto believes in you and just needs to see that potential. So no, they don't need to demote him. But I feel like there has to be an improvement come the end of the year to just set himself up nicely for 26.

If he has a poor 2026 when, yes, he's got a season under his belt, but he's also got a completely new car to learn, perhaps there's more pressure that starts to ramp up, especially, you know, if Max comes knocking and George Russell wins the championship in 2026, where does that put Kimmy Antonelli in 2027 if Max wants to go? There's plenty of hypothetical scenarios right now, but there's no demotion happening for Kimmy. No, I don't think they'll demote him. This question could be like, should they have gone with him in the first place?

And I think that's more of a want to debate because I think he is certainly showing the fact that learning in a top team like is very difficult. And you and you're under a huge amount of pressure. You're much more in the in the spotlight as, you know, the other rookies who are, well, apart from Hajjah today. get onto did an amazing job but he's more in the spotlight because he's got george russell is his teammate and mercedes are meant to be at the front so the pressure is ramped up even more that he has to deliver and there's a very high expectation of him um so he is learning on the on the job essentially whilst being in a very very good car and a top team it's just so it's just such a strange situation where I think Kimi Antonelli first half of the season that we've done so far up to Canada

I think he's done really really well and shown that yeah he does have that high ceiling but needs to just like improve here and there it's the recent run of form that you kind of would expect at the start of the season that's gone really bad for him and this just didn't need to happen today should have just got not gone for a crazy dive bomb bags are great great result and then we're here talking about the fact that this is the, this is the, exactly what he needed going into the second half of the season or after the summer break. A good result. Yes, he's been a bit fortunate that he's beaten George on the track, but look how well he's done.

But instead we're here and people discussing, you know, does he need to be demoted? Exactly. A driver that definitely does not need to be demoted. In fact, actually, there's definitely a joke here where he might be on his way to demotion with actually a promotion is of course Isaac Hadjar on the podium. I know it wasn't either of our memorable moments, but this is also a very, very big one to talk about. And I don't really know how it happened. I don't know what he's done. But he's somehow managed to just put that racing balls right up there in qualifying. And then was the driver able to capitalize

when Lando Norris had his issue? Like the fact that it was a racing bull, it was Isaac Hadchar, a rookie, it's just an absolutely phenomenal job, isn't it, Tommy? I just, I can't believe we've, we've seen that today. It's incredible from him and you said this in the watch long. I totally agree. It's not, it's not like a pure, complete, lucky podium. Yes, he got fortunate that Lando had the reliability issue that put him one place higher, but it's not like he got a crazy pit stop strategy amongst the safety car and it's launched him all the way from the back to a podium. Just say Holkenberg.

Just say Holkenberg to me. But yeah, it's not to take anything away from from Holkenberg. No, it's a different race, isn't it? It's a different type of race. And yeah, and like a Ghazley winner when he won, you know, he got the good fortune and made the most of it and they're still incredible moments and it's not taking anything away from them. but it was it was a

race where he qualified incredibly well and was actually staying ahead of of the other drivers around him so and he was there to pick up you know only took one driver dropping out the race ahead of him to get to get that podium it's not like we've seen

it because obviously in the end both Ferraris went out and a McLaren but it was only the McLaren that he needed to go out to get that podium so it's a sensational job even if Lander hadn't have had the problem, we'd still be absolutely lauding this drive as one of the drives of the season

for him to finish P4 and a racing ball. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And it's great to hear his emotion as well, especially after qualifying, we heard how much it meant and then seeing those podium scenes afterwards. I just kind of had to rub my eyes and be like, what is going on this season?

Like, it's just ridiculous. You've got the two Hs of Holcomburg and Hajar getting a podium, but Hamilton hasn't had one in a Ferrari. I'm like, if you'd have said that, if that would have been your prediction coming into this season, I think we would have all questioned just how much you've actually watched Formula One.

But it's a great job. Yeah, yeah, exactly. We've done some bold ones in the past. Question from people on picture, remember, MZT. Do you think Isaac will be in the Red Bull next year? Do you think he wants to be? Yes, I think he will be. And I think he has to be.

and I think he'll he should take it you unfortunately I think unfortunately you always have to back yourself to go there even if you've seen the form and unfortunately that is just the pressure of a red bull and the step up that you have to take you have to go alongside max but luckily for him and we're talking next year here not not another moment where it's midseason if he does go next year you think, well, it's new regulations, he can hopefully learn there and it's a completely clean slate rather than him halfway through the season, driving this lovely racing balls that is seemingly like quite a predictable car that when you have great performances you can get a lot out of to this absolutely insane, pointy, how on earth does Maxis to step and drive this thing car.

So, yeah, I think he will, I personally think he will be in the red, ball next year. And I think he has to take it. Do you think he wants to be? I think he would. I think he would. I think you've just got to back yourself to make the step up. Because I think it looks even worse to basically say, no, I don't want to.

I think he wants to be for sure because it's again, you know, talking about ceilings of drivers and potentials. You're not going to win the world championship in a racing bowl. You're just not. It's the second team to Red Bull unless something drastically wrong. has happened in that camp. It's going to be the main team at Red Bull Racing. Do I think he's going to be in the team?

I'm not as convinced just purely because, if you look at it, like Yuki Sonoda did almost as much as what Hadjar has done to gain hype and momentum. If we're talking about recency bias, then obviously Hadjar has the momentum with him because everyone's talking about him. And he's doing a phenomenal job in a rookie season. which I think is maybe where Isaac gets more points is because, yeah, he's able to do these

performances already. Like, where can he go? So I guess for Red Bull, it's a decision of, well, we've given Yuki a chance. Obviously, it's not worked in this regulation of car, but he's also a great driver. Does he deserve a 2026 opportunity to see if he can get a handle of whatever beast Red Bull create? Or do we take another risk with Isaac? because it is a risk putting Isaac up against Max Verstappen

to then see how he does is he able to perform at the same level? I don't know. It's an interesting one because I don't think it's a case of Sonoda's terrible, get him out because you have to take more than just this season into account.

Yuki didn't have testing for the Red Bull. He was testing in a completely different car. See, I don't think it's as easy as saying Isaac's in just yet. You look back in the last three, four races. Lawson was the one that was was getting all the attention as well because he was the one scoring decent points.

So it's chopping and changing. I don't think Lawson's getting the promotion to the Red Ball next year, but just sort of mentioning how hype can change very quickly in Formula One and in the media. Next question comes in from P1 picture member Rubik Cube. Signs getting two penalty points for that incident is mad. What's your take on it?

Hands down, one of the worst stewarding decisions I have seen in a very long time. What race are they watching? What? Where did they learn the racing rules? I don't understand. Insane. In any world where signs is deemed at fault.

The worst that could have happened for Carlos is him getting a puncture and it deemed a racing incident, in my opinion. I don't know what on board they've, have they just watched a rogue drone cam that's at the wrong turn and they've seen it in the corner of their... their eye, because that's the only way they could possibly come up with this. And I love the fact

Carlos was on the team radio saying, let me go to the stewards. I need to have a word with them. Hopefully he's very sensible when he goes and has a word with them. But I am baffled to see that he got a 10 second penalty and two penalty points for Lawson just sort of moving over slightly. Now, we spoke about on the watch song, didn't we tell me, you know, about Lawson and then perhaps it was understeering and whatever. But never in our, never at any point that we go, Carlos, might get a penalty for that. It's insane. Yeah, my first reaction was, oh, I want to see Lawson's on board because if he has indeed

tried to squeeze him there, I actually think it's on Lawson for not giving Carlos any space around the outside. And you go, yeah, it's the outside of a corner. But that turn one is notorious for, that is really the move. Like, it's round the outside. It has been since, you know, even when this was back on the calendar in like the 70s, like all the all the overtakes at Zamvort is like swooping around the outside of that first core node. Lando did it to Max, for example.

So that is, Carlos had every right to be there. It wasn't this absolutely insane, audacious attempt at an overtake. And the fact that, that, yeah, like, if Lawson had indeed not kind of got a big amount of understeer, I feel like he should have given Carlos a bit more room. So if anything, I think it would have been maybe even. borderline a little bit of of Liam's fault probably not a penalty but

Carlos' fault is absolutely insane. I completely understand why he was so enraged by it was a mad take. Also you can absolutely scrap now the part where we say that the stewards do not take into account the consequence of an action because what they

have seen is contact to drivers getting a puncture, but the overtaking driver, the one attempting to make the overtake, Carlos signs, making contact with Liam Lawson and Liam Lawson getting a puncture, and therefore, that's the only way they have deemed that as a penalty for signs, in my opinion, is the fact that Lawson has been affected by something that Carlos has tried to do. But that's not, that's not what's supposed to happen. That's, I don't, what are we doing here? I really am, obviously it didn't affect Carlos' race in terms of the penalty itself, because he was

already out of it after the puncture. But this is where you have the inconsistencies with stewarding, don't you? And the fact that it changes. And yeah, I was baffled by it, to be honest with you. He's going to be raging, science. Not only, you know, he's had such poor luck this year. And for him to qualify as well as he did and see Alex Albin take that result that he has is going to make him even more frustrated, I'm sure.

Things just aren't going his way. And that is, yeah, giving him penalty points as well. It's just absolutely outrageous, never mind a penalty in the first place. Very, very bizarre. Next question comes in from P1. Patreon member Edith is my middle name. Oliver Berman, Pit Lane to P6. Thoughts?

Finally is my thoughts. Finally, Olly Bearman, we can stop saying the thing we do every single podcast. talking about Ali Bearman and saying he just needs that one kind of good bit of fortune where his good drive is is kind of rewarded and has a bit of luck go his way and it did and you know P6 is absolutely brilliant the fact that he signed there's no surprise that has of all the teams were the ones that that tried something different and and yeah it made it work it work for them and I'm really glad to see Berman get that, get that result because he's not, his result in like the championship table just hasn't reflected like how good he's been. Like yeah, he's made made mistakes as a rookie and

there's been a few moments, but he's still, in my opinion, shown that he has got some real talent and could could be something very special in the future, I think. Yeah, well as you, as a lot of you will know if you've listened and watched to the P1 podcast for a little while. I've been an Olly Beerman stand since the moment he's set out in a free practice session for Hasse and was pretty much on the pace of whether it was Holkenberg or Magnuson at the time.

And I'm so happy to see that he's finally, yeah, it's good fortune, but it's also like not binning it under the red flag at Silverstone. Like it's just not silly errors as well that has put him out of contention or whatever it might be. This was just a phenomenal drive. I think the strategy was great from Hasse as well to put them in the mix, knowing full well that a five-stop race is not the way to go and to try and get themselves into track position somehow.

I think obviously the safety cars have helped a little bit to put them into that sort of realm of scoring points. But also, P6 is phenomenal from the pit lane. So I'm so happy for him. It's been coming for a very long time. And I genuinely do believe that he's a driver that will continue to get better and better and I hope this will give him a lot of momentum into the rest of the season really. So well done, Olly Behrman. Very happy indeed to see that.

Let's add to the biggest winner, shall we? Drive Raw team and who we believe has won the most. I mean, it depends how you measure it, but I think Hachar is definitely going to be right up there with that one. I think Oscar Piazsche has won a lot in terms of the championship. May well have won the championship with that or DNF. We will have to reflect on that by the end. end of the year but I think for me it has to be Hadjar I mean what a what a drive from him yeah

had jar a definite definite biggest winner just the fact that it was so unexpected uh Oscar piastri is a great shout for for the championship and one thing I did want to add actually because at the start of um before about Oscar piastri is um yeah I still don't think I don't think the narrative should be like our Oscars won the championship because of this move if that does indeed happen. We'll find out when we win the point system. But yeah, we're about to find out because Oscar Piastri this weekend was flawless. So can't take anything away from him.

And he's got that good fortune, I guess, from the fact that his teammate has gone off. But sorry, it's had the mechanical failure. Although I have just seen that Landon Norris technically was eight laps down and classified. so I didn't jinx him that wasn't a mechanical DNF, so there you go. So it was actually, in fact, a flop and he was just slow. That's what you were saying? Yeah, it's a bit. It's Hajjar, isn't it?

Yeah, it is Hajjar indeed. But no, I agree. There's a lot of great shows, actually. About Oscar, I think that, you know, he has, he's been top form this year. But let's see how many points he wins by, because it is definitely a moment we will reflect on, especially if it is, what, 18 points or less that he wins by, because of course that was the swing. not saying that Lando would have won today

because I really don't think you would have. Biggest loser, I think that probably has to be Lando Norris, to be honest with you, just purely because that is a massive swing in the championship. It's not 25-point swing because Oscar was winning that every day of the week. I think it's fair to say. So Lando's definitely up there.

I think Lewis losing the car just on his own to be the driver that does that in those sort of slippery conditions is something I can't believe I've seen. believe that happened. That is, that's wild. So it has to be Lando as biggest,

the biggest loser, but I think Hamilton is also a shout for just, yeah, like being on the pace, being very much comparable with Shal now for the first time in maybe a little while. And then ending the race like that is, is a tough one to swallow.

Yeah, I think it's got to be Lando on his unfortunate failure. because it is such a big moment in the championship and crazy to think that, yeah, you've got Ferrari with a double DNF in 19th and 20th, and I don't think it's even them just because of how bad it has gone for Lando there and what a crucial moment it could turn out to be,

we'll find out. Yeah, Ferrari is definitely, as a whole, a very reasonable shout as well. A good shout, isn't it? Yeah. A double DNF basically at the same corner is ridiculous and just Ferrari things. So I need another summer break now of about four weeks if that's possible. Oh no wait.

It's the Italian Grand Prix. We're so back, baby. We're winning it all. Right. Let's reflect on our predictions that we made on Wednesday to see how we did. It's currently 37 apiece because of course it is. Michael Massey is beautifully, but we're not really. This is genuinely just going down to the wire all the time because hashtag will knowledge.

First and foremost, a good surprise. Well, speaking of will knowledge, my good, my good surprise for Zandvort was Lewis Hamilton. But I was forced into changing it by this knob. I can't believe I just said knob on the podcast. That's crazy. But door knob, that's fine. It's like, it's all good.

So yeah, I went for Lewis Hamilton and that's no points. You ever need to know how much competitive Matt is and how much... So competitive, Tommy, you know this. You just saw it there. Makes us to happen. Easy Zandvault prediction. New Matt would go for it. I hope you have with the money, Tommy.

I really hope you're happy with the money with that one. A big flop. I went for Gabrielle Bortoletto, which sadly for him came in. I mean, Salba, what are you doing, guys? Like, I've been sheffing for points off of you the last three. My big flop streak must be actually quite ominous right now. I don't actually know how many I've had, but I feel like it's constantly coming in. So a point for me.

And I went for Aston Martin, and they got double points, seven and eight. That was looking really good at one point when Stroll was literally, if it had been a really boring race when nothing happened, it had Fernando Alonso 13th and Lance Stroll last written all over it. But instead, we got the crazy race. And what happens in crazy races? Lance Stroll spawns into P7. Yeah, look.

And I know that we do obviously critique him quite a lot, which is fair enough. But like, he does do pretty well in some random moves as well. I think it's the moves that he makes. when he's got the opportunity, it's very feisty some of his overtakes and stuff. I know Stroll is a meme in himself, but also you have to applaud him when he makes something work like that, despite the horrendous weekend he was having up until that point. I do actually want to throw in yet another biggest winner candidate for that actually, and it being Lance Strugg, because he's now ahead of Fernando in the championship again.

Tom, any thoughts? Just going to mention that all the time. Absolutely. And my thoughts are how many more for IDNFs until Lance can actually catch our last? a claire and that title can resume relax yourself i mean Lance stroll championship contention maybe um okay let's go to poll position where i went for max for stappen that didn't that didn't work did it no fastest middle sector uh and i went for

was that third of a point then do i get third of a point no no not not not messing it yeah third of uh i went for oscar piastri well done which is correct well done you get 0.012 of a point congratulations uh let's go to a top three then. In third position, I had Oscar Piestri. No, I went for Maxa Stappen, which was on until Landau's failure, of course. Oh, wow, yeah, actually it was. In second, I went for Max for Stappen, which was indeed correct, somehow. I can't believe. If you had told me that the only thing I would have got right is my second position, I'd be like, excuse me, what's going on here then? I went for London RSP2.

And it was on. It was on. But it did not happen. First, I went for Lando Norris, because you made me change it. So thank you, Tommy, for that one. Thank you for giving me a point. Because I was going to go for Max P1, because I thought it was going to rain. And everybody thought it was going to rain, and then it didn't rain.

And I went for Oscar Piestri. So a point there. And I was one mechanical failure from Lando Norris away from the perfect, all three points. But at last, it didn't happen. Thank goodness. for that. Not for Lando, obviously I feel sorry for him. Essentially, that's a massive point swing. That's a huge swing. Not only was it a point swing

in the real championship. It was in our championship because I would have got three points. You'd have got no, but actually... Yeah, it's true. It flipped. If not only flipped that way, it also gave you max P2. Whoa. Whoa. Okay. Thank you in some ways. Right. So,

one crazy prediction. I went for Gasly in the points. Technically he was running in the points and then I think he finished last. So Thoughts? No. I went for Sanoda in the points and he did actually get points

finally. You've cooked. Okay. Patreon prediction. Come on. Edith is my middle name. Bearman in the points. Come on.

Edith, you delivered for me. And I chose it. So technically I delivered for myself. But also, Edith, you delivered for me. Thank you so much. Behrman in the points. That's such a W.

Thank you. And Sophie did my prediction for all 20 drivers finish the race and there were only two DNFs and they were both Ferraris. Yeah, right mate.

You didn't have to finish the sentence. Yeah, calm yourself. Family top three, it's 8-5 to the boring Bellingham's as we know. They are an entire clean streak ahead. In third position, my dad went for Max Verstappen.

And my mum went for Charlotte Clare. In second, my dad went for Lando Norris. That is also incorrect, sadly. And my mum went for Lande Norris. And in first position, my dad went for Oscar Piastri. So he was, as mentioned in the predictions, he went for exactly the same as you,

which would have been a three-pointer for the Gallagos. And sadly, it's only one. But we gain. We gain. We're pushing. It's 8-6. Is Frank getting filled it next time again, thoughts? Or maybe Grace.

Sorry, yeah, I jumped to come with that one. wasn't, you did jump the gun, but wasn't a point. So yeah, it's now 8.6. So no, I'm, I'm closing. Yeah. You're not bringing a strongest team now. Yeah. No frank now.

And what was it in the main podcast? Sorry, hang on. Go on. Good surprise. So I got one, two, three, four points. And you got one, two, three points. Three. Three.

Oh, three. Three. There's only one point in it. I'll take that. What a championship this is. This is the real championship. This is a great championship. It really is.

I'm glad we can't have 25 point prediction swings. Yeah, that's very true. But yeah, that is it. Okay, so well, on, Tommy. You are now leading the predictions. We look forward to, well, I think I have a feeling you might extend your lead after Monza. But let's see about that one.

What was your final thoughts? I was actually going to mention that actually that I wonder who you're going to go for for Monza prediction because not only is there a certain team that you would like to go for for Monza, we also know the Matt Gallagher special of when a team is really badly. So a P-17 and P-A-T for Ferrari is locked in at Monza for the good surprise.

That's so true. That's so good of Ferrari to have been. double DNFed in Zamborts so that I can, they just did that for you. I can, biggest good surprise them all day long. Hopefully I'm first pick I don't know, but maybe I'm not, who knows, maybe I'm all mine games, maybe I'll want you to, anyway, don't pick for a time. You are first pick

actually as well, yeah. I'm first pick, well actually. My real final thoughts are shout out to Australia for the amazing reaction to the tour. Yes, Australia, you've been incredible. I feel like we might be putting a sold-out graphic out very soon, so be careful if you haven't got your tickets already. And we are going to

carry on over on Patreon. So if you haven't subscribed over there, patreon.com 4 slash MapP1 Tommy, then go and do that. We'd love to have you over there. Lots of benefits to get, including extra chat over on audio. So until then, we'll see you very soon.

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