P1 with Matt and Tommy - Italian GP Driver Ratings: F1-to-10

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the B1 podcast with Matt and Tommy. F1 driver ratings has arrived. I have a cold, so I'm just going to preface this right now and say, I'm sorry. I'll try not to sneeze. I was not, yeah, and I did not fly to Italy to party and then come back, and that's why I'm unwell. But we've got some driver ratings to get into, Tommy. We've got a few, I think, that are going to be very interesting to discuss. and how are you feeling ahead of the Charlotte, sorry, not the Charlotte,

the Italian Grand Prix? I'm looking forward to drive ratings, I'm looking forward to everyone agreeing, as always. Yes, it is funny how when everyone gets more interesting, opinions get more heated is what I've learned from Twitter, so it could be an interesting one. Very interesting indeed. Let's dive into the news with the first driver, Kevin Magnuson.

Start at 13th, finish 10th. We're getting straight into the spicy one. This is quite possibly the most difficult driver rating to ever grace the universe. This man scored a point and got banned. There is no two polar opposites, I don't think, apart from him winning the race and getting banned. However, I'm giving him a nine out of 10.

KMAG cooked. I have reviewed the footage and I actually think it was quite harsh. getting a penalty. I think that it was deserving of something, but for him to have got a 10-second penalty, it was a late move, but it was by no means a K-Mag masterclass, if we're talking Miami, right? And he still scored a point, which is absolutely miraculous. And yeah, he drove really well. Of course, he had that moment, but apart from that, he was strong. He did the one-stop. He did pretty much exactly the same strategy as Charles LeCler did,

or maybe even pitted a couple of laps earlier than he did at. I'm trying to look here. I think he was around the same time. He did one lap earlier? One lap earlier. So basically the goat. Basically, Ferrari engines allow for Tyadeg to be decent. But yeah, I think he deserves a nine out of ten.

He scores a point. He gets banned, but you know what, hassle take it. And so will I, because I think it was a great drive. I've gone for a nine out of ten as well. And it's actually kind of annoying because I thought, we were going to disagree on this one because I know people like disagreements. And I have to say I was going to pop off the same as you. I think this penalty is actually a bit of a joke, to be honest.

Now I've watched it back. Let's start with Kevin Magnuson's drive. Amazing drive without the incident. Now I've actually seen, yeah, one stop pit in a lap earlier than LaClair. Probably be a 10 to be honest because he would have finished P9 without the penalty. And not far, actually, off Perez. Five seconds behind Perez.

Insane. So amazing drive from Magnuson. And he deserved to, it's hard to say he doesn't deserve to be banned because there's been so many other incidents during the season and you can't take this one incident as going, that's too harsh because we said this when we did our penalty points. debate, I think it might, like probably a year ago now and we said someone, if someone does get banned, it might be over the most nothing incident that pushes them over the edge, but you have to look at it as all the incidents, because that's what the penalty system is. But this one, it's never

in a million years of 10 second penalty. The bang wheels is a legitimate chance to overtake and he locks up, they both go over the runoff area, how is that a 10 second penalty? It's actually insane that it's a 10 second penalty. I do actually feel really sorry for him saying, you know, because he said, oh, Ricardo got five seconds. Why is mine a 10? It's never in a million years a 10. I'd argue it might even, could even get away with not even a penalty, I think. That's the thing, the problem is that they've changed the rules, right? So they've deemed Ricardo and Holcomberg's incident as a forcing another driver off the track

whereas an actual full blown contact which is what they've seen this as as a misjudged overtake I think they put in a different category and the minimum that they can give out is either obviously nothing and then it's 10 seconds so I feel like it's out of a different

subcategory of penalties whereas forcing another driver off the track can be deemed as five which is insane because they still made contact 10 10 and nothing shouldn't be the threshold. That's massive. But that's what they've done for this year.

Yeah, it is. Yeah. So yeah, I do feel quite sorry for KMAG. Let's be real here. He has been a bit of a savage this season. And that's why he's been banned. You can't take it on that one incident, can you? And he should have been banned previously to this.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And how little penalty points he got for other races. But yes, a shame for him to have had such an amazing drive and then be told, you're not racing in Baku. Sorry, mate. and it's not absolutely confirmed yet that Berman will be in that seat, is it? Because Ferrari have to give permission.

Permission because he's a Ferrari driver as of right now. But I'm hoping Ferrari will be quite lovely and lenient and happy after they won the Italian Grand Prix. The fans gave KMAG an eight. Nika Holcombberg started 10th, finished 17th. I've gone for a four out of 10 for Nika Holcombberg. A disappointing race for him. When you look at what Kevin Magnusson did, you got to think points were definitely on offer. And yes, he was unlucky to have that moment with Ricardo.

But his move on Sonoda was a penalty, in my opinion. That was a much less on overtake. It was very, very ambitious. And it puts Sonoda out the race as well. So, yeah, I missed, definitely missed opportunity for. for Hasse because if KMAG is scoring points, you've got to think that based on the season so far, Holcombberg should have been getting him as well.

I'm going to have to give him a three out of ten because that move that he made on Sonoda was from miles back. It was misjudged. He locked up, smashes into Sonoda, gets front wing damage, which ruins his race, and then obviously causes Yuki Sonoda to be out of the race as well. So it was a very uncharacteristic Nika Holkhamberg overtake in my opinion. opinion. So that's why I'm grading him that low. And the fans gave him a four.

Joe Guan Yu started 20th, finished 18th. A four out of 10 for Joe because he beat someone, Strull, who did a three stop because he stopped at the end for a soft tire. But no, look, Joe finished 10 seconds behind Bottas, so it's not devastatingly horrendous for him this weekend. And that's about all I've got. I'm sure, you know, let's. know in the comments what did actually happen in his race that we missed. But right here, right now, I feel like he rolls out the same statement every single Grand Prix. And this time it was, our pace today wasn't strong enough to be fighting closer to the points. I don't know. I feel like he should at least beat Bottas once in a while. But alas, he did not. But he finished 10 seconds behind,

hence the four. Yeah, I've gone for a four out of 10 as well. Maybe not as bad as usual, because Bottas also qualified at the back. Very weird statement actually from from steak where they kind of shared their race graphic and said 16th and 18th and said, oh, we've actually like improved quite a lot, lots of positives to take and you kind of go, really?

That was your best race. To be fair, that's a W from the marketing team. They looked at Zambort and went two laps down. Yeah, we'll take that. We're only one lap down this time. Let's go. That's a huge step Then it's a zero laps down

Then they lap the entire field in two races time Can you see the secrets? Oh wow yeah true actually Yeah It's like that chart where the meme of the baby That keeps growing and they say Is gonna be a million pounds big by like Have you not seen that meme?

No I don't know what that meme is Oh no There's a meme where someone's holding a baby I can't believe of explaining a meme on drive ratings No please do And he's holding a baby and he goes basically saying like my baby is doubled in weight in the first month of him being born. He's due to weigh 600 tonnes by the age.

She's seven or something. It's funny. Thank you for the meme explanation. Yeah, there's the meme explanation. But as for Joe, it was a very Joe race, but the car was poor this time. The fans gave Joe a three. Valdry Bottas started 19th, finished 16th. Gone for a six out of 10.

for Valtry Bottas. He's beaten Nico Hulkenberg in the house even there. Obviously, Hockenberg's had that poor race. Lance Stroll as well. Aaron is a teammate. As always, I couldn't really give him a five because it would be so easy to just give him five every single week.

I feel like that's what we do, though, isn't it? I feel bad giving him a five. He must have had the greatest race of all time. It's so difficult, and this is the problem. And why Drive Ratings does cause debate? Because we, however much you think your opinion is right, we will never know if Bottas had the greatest race of all time. Oh, no, no.

There will be someone, Tommy, that is listening or watching that would have watched the entire onboard of Bottas' race for 53 laps and seen that actually he made the greatest over time. Analyze lap by lap with Pace Delta difference. Exactly. Yeah, they are Bottas fans at the end of the day. Okay, I've gone for a five out of ten for Bottas. because it was 10 seconds ahead of show.

I'm giving him an extra point. Well done. He beat Hulk, but obviously Hulk was on a completely different strategy due to his own mess. So yes, a five from me. I think Bottas said it was a pretty clean, uneventful race for us,

which is pretty much stake as a whole every single Grand Prix. The fans also gave Bottas a five. Yuki Sanoda started 16th, did not finish. So are we grading? We are? Do we continue to grade this? I believe so.

He's done a good amount of the race. It's a five. Congrats. Yuki got yeated. Was having a very mid-race. And then that was it. I've got for a four, actually, because I can only grade what essentially is qualifying.

And his qualifying was much poorer compared to Timit, Daniel Ricardo. So I can't give them straight down the middle as much as I'd love to. And that's what you can really say from Yuki-Saneda, because he got yeated very quickly into the race. The fans gave Yuckeesanoda a five. Daniel Ricardo, started 12th, finished 13th. I've gone for a five out of ten for Daniel Ricardo. I think he qualified incredibly well,

and it's a shame for him that he made that mistake at the start and pushed Hulkenberg wide, because it was actually, and this is not his own fault, but it actually kick-started some events which made even worse for him because the mechanic touched the car during his five-second penalty, which gave him another penalty. And yeah, unfortunately, after a great quality compared to his teammate, and you look at maybe a point might have been possible, who knows,

but it all came undone in that first lap mistake. I've gone for five as well. it's a shame because, yeah, Danny Rick making that mistake cost him, I think, definitely a chance at a point or even potentially two. You know, he finished 9.3 seconds off of Alonzo, who finished, I think, under a second behind Albon. And you've got 15 seconds worth of penalties right there. Of course, 10 of those was not his fault. It was his poor muscle memory mechanic who he could tell was absolutely devastated the moment he touched the car. but alas it was it all came from Danny Rick making that mistake which was marginal but at the same time you have to downgrade him for that because it cost him in the race but some good some good speed from Danny Rick and could have easily been a seven had it not been for that the fans gave Danny Rick a five as well

Franco Collar Pinto started 18th finished 12th I have gone for an eight out of 10 for Franco Colapinto of course you're taken into account many circumstances when you're grading Colopinto. He had a very strong race. I think he was around 14 seconds off the back of Albon. I struggle to think Logan Sergeant would have done any better. And it's his first race ever. I think he said after the race he hadn't done more than eight laps in a Formula One car. So, or at least maybe in a current gen one, I'm not sure exactly where he was alluding to that.

But still, he hadn't done a 53-lap Grand Prix before. And I think he drove very well. He put in some good moves, which were decisive. thoroughly impressive for a driver that I think a lot of people had question marks about including us because there was no real CV to go from but yeah I think Williams can be pleasantly happy let's see how he builds from this and masters Baku which is a very different challenge yeah I've gone for an eight out of ten for Franco Colopinta as well I was having an houring about a nine but it is obviously a very strong track for Williams but you have to

applaud him for for his race and you think of the context like you said of him only driving eight laps in a Formula One car you know so a lot a lot of people uh kind of downplaying it would have said oh you know would Logan sergeant have finished P12 maybe but one you can't know that and two Logan Sargent had a year and a half in Formula one uh Franco Colopinto's had eight laps and put in a very, very solid, more than solid race. To make moves as well, that's where you think that, you know, that's going to be the challenge, isn't it, when you've only done just a little bit of testing and things on the sim,

it will never prepare you for actually trying to make actual overtakes in a Grand Prix. So it has to be applauded, and yeah, we'll see how he does in Baku, but a really, really strong start for Colopinto. The fans also gave Colopinto an eight. Alex Albon started ninth, finished ninth. And a nine from me. All the nines. Yeah, great drive from Albon.

It's almost expected now at Williams for them to do this at Monza. The only reason it's not a 10 is because maybe you could have beaten Magnuson on the road. I know he beat him because of that penalty, but I've already said, I think it's a bit of a harsh one. And we do kind of expect Williams to be very good around here. But can't take any way, anything away from Alburn. It was a very strong performance again from him. It's a nine for me as well.

It's close to a 10 because he's finished best of the rest. And that obviously deserves some kind of nomination for a 10. But as you say, Magneton did finish ahead of him and had Magneton not got quite a harsh penalty, would I have given Albon a 10th for 10th? Probably not. So yeah, it's a very, very strong weekend for Albon. I thought Williams didn't do this anymore and they didn't have a rocket ship and they were really good at Monza. But it turns out they were lying and they're good at Monza and not great at other tracks still, which I don't feel like they've changed the philosophy

all that much as of the form that we've seen. But yeah, yeah, very happy for Albon. He was struggling a lot with his tires, I believe, and he went over the first chicade. I lost count how many times. I felt like he was always getting involved in some kind of battle there. But yeah, very strong from Albon. And it's a nine as well from the fans. Esteban Ocon started 15th, finished 14th.

Goodness gracious me, could Alpine have had more of an anonymous weekend? It's a five. It's the biggest five I think anyone's ever received. I don't think I saw them the whole weekend. O'Con was nowhere near Collar Pipp. Pinto at the end. They were in their own, like, very Alpine hole in the race the entire time.

And that was about it. So you can't quite keep up with the form of Alpine. One minute, they're looking like they're maybe scoring a point. Then they're the slowest team on the grid. Then they're kind of just ahead of stake. Bizarre. But yeah, it's a five. I'll also go on for a five.

I completely agree. There's no more of a five. out of 10 race for the Alpines this weekend that they kind of start in the middle of the pack and finish in the middle of the pack. Wait and see, you never know. And yeah, so so anonymous. And they also went for different strategies as well completely like Ocon and Gassley one stop versus a two stop. They were changing all kinds of things trying to make something happen and neither of them did.

The fans gave Ocon a five as well. Pierre Gassley started 14th finished 15th is a 5 out of 10 or Pierre Gassley No way No way

Exactly the same as Ocon My explanation is done Editor used my clip As I speak about Ocon and replace the word Gassley No just kidding Alpine Strange form

Very strange form Like you said It was It seems a long time ago to think that this team, obviously when they were Renault, would always come to Monza and that would be their best track on the calendar by a long way and they'd get a sensational result there at the start of the hybrid era, but not anymore. And yeah, just a disappointing weekend, but not enough for kind of your fours or threes because they did nothing wrong.

For me, it is a drum roll please. Five out of ten for Pierre Gazley. I know. She's. Shocking. One of the most controversial gratings of the year from me. You're going to get so much hate for that one. Copy and paste for Ocon. Yeah, I'm sure there will be something that Gassley also did

like being passed by Colopinto on lap 30. But there you go. Five out of ten from me to Gassley. I have no more to add. Hopefully they'll have something where we actually see them in the race next time out.

The fans gave Gassley a five as well. Lance Stroll, started 17th, finished 19th. It's a three out of ten for Lance Stroll. Wow. Just, he's had an all right season this year. And then he's just popped in an absolute stinker. Horrendous in qualifying, completely ruined his race from there,

had no pace, pitted again at the end for fastest laps. I don't think he would have finished 19th had he not pit. But still, a poor weekend from Stroll, even though he said today's result was more or less what we expected. Alonzo finished one. 10th away from a point so I'm not sure what you can really say about Lance stroll's 19th but it's a three out of ten from me I've gone for a four out of ten for Lance stroll uh it's a it's a one of those weekends where we've not seen it for a while it has to be said um where he's so far off a

lonzo qualifies poorly and then it's just pretty rubbish in the race of course the the finishing 19th looks really bad on on paper but It's mainly for that gamble at the end just to do anything to take a point off what, McLaren, which they're definitely not racing in the championship, because obviously, of course, you can't score a fastest lap point if you're not in the top ten. He's still getting beaten by the Alpines, though.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's a poor race, but I do think the Aston is simply, simply dreadful. And there was actually something missed by the cameras was that he blocked Oscar Piastri as well during Oscar's fight. And did you hear the quote?

He said that he was driving like it was his first go-kart race. So yes, not great from Stroll. Yeah, that did the rounds. That particular clip. Piastri is becoming more and more savage as the race weekends go along or we're actually realising the bloke's ice cold. The fans gave Lance Stroll

a three. Fernando Alonso started 11th, finished 11th. So 7 out of 10 for Fernando Alonso. Very close to a point. I don't think the Aston is any good, but he's trance as teammate this weekend. I think he's delivered more than what the car is capable of, and he actually missed out on a point by 10th of a second.

So literally one corner quicker, he would have got a point, which is quite unlucky. because of obviously Kevin Magnusson's penalty in the end so it is still a solid display from Fernando

but not where myself and I think everyone regardless of you're a fanboy of Alonzo or not wants to see Alonzo because we want to see him at the front and that Aston is just not there anymore I've also gone for a 7 out of 10 for Fernando Alonzo

thought it was a strong race for a driver that's probably getting more and more frustrated that this car is nowhere near fighting in Formula A, and that's what he signed up for when he went to the team. I wonder when the sassy team radio messages will start to come out and where he starts to lose a little bit more patience. But it was still a decent drive. He was one second away from finishing ninth.

I think it was eight-tenths off Albon, and then a further tenth off Magnuson. So, yeah, he was in the mix, and it deserves a seven. The fans gave him a five, which is utterly outrageous. Yeah, this is our turn to come back at you. Okay? What are you watching? Get some will knowledge.

Oscar Piastri, started second, finish second. It is a nine out of ten for Oscar Piastri from me. He put in one of the best overtakes of the season on his teammate, and I just want to sit here right now and say that anything we have discussed about Oscar Piastri, making that move on lap one, is nothing to do with Oscar Piastri as the driver. Okay? The only thing I have been criticizing

is McLaren's strategy with the two drivers and how they're allowing those drivers to play out the race. Oscar Piastri, if he has been told nothing by McLaren apart from papaya rules, give space,

then go for it because that's the rules he's been given. Fair play. So I just wanted to cover that off because some people thought that we were being criticising Oscar Piastri for making moves. No, we're criticising McLaren for throwing away potentially a driver's championship

because we've seen however many times that teams have to step in and not have two number one drivers to win a driver's world championship. Anyway, back to Oscar Piastri's race. The reason I've gone for a nine and not a ten is because he, as much as, obviously, did the two stop.

I feel as though some driver instinct might well have kicked in there to say, no, we've got 15 laps to go. I'm not giving up the lead. I think that is more on McLaren, for sure. But the driver has something to play with that as well. So, yeah, he says in the benefit of hindsight, they would have obviously stayed out. But what a disaster from McLaren to,

because I've looked at this more, 15 laps to go and you're giving up the lead. Yeah, with a 23 second. pit stop. It's bizarre, but obviously with the data, they thought the tyres would fall off, but it is a nine from me and not a ten. I've also gone for a nine out of ten for Oscar Piastri. His move on Lando, for me is without doubt the overtake of the season so far. It is so bold, so brave, um, ballsy to say the least. Regardless, yeah, you take out all the context, particularly as it seems like he's been allowed to race. So fair play to him for actually actually going

for it. And there's also been, you know, many fascinating debates about Oscar Piastri's mindset and how he wants to race. And I think, you know, he's only respecting what the team say of him. And if McLaren aren't going to step in, then he's got every right to go for the race victory and what a move it was. But the reason it's not a 10 is the same as you. I think if we rewind two years ago, sorry to bring it up, but we will applaud him later, with Charlerclair, when Ferrari were having their bad strategies,

one slight inkling of criticism that we'd give to Charle of was he wasn't ruthless enough to say, no, this is absolutely not the right decision. And the reason it's not a ten for me is this is exactly the same situation for me that maybe it's a bit of an experience. Of course, McLaren completely fumbled it again, and they deserve the criticism they're getting.

but maybe with a Lewis Hamilton and Maxa Stappen in the car, they're on the radio going, no way in hell am I giving up this lead when a pit stops 26 seconds, like you say, and there's no way on earth that Charlerclair, who's got exactly the same tyres as me with the distance on them, is going to pass me around Monza.

So why are we doing this? And so that's why it's not a 10 for me. But Oscar Piastri is driving so unbelievably well at the moment. It's going to be so good in particularly in 2025 if that McLaren is good again. Like he is he is looking insanely good. Yeah, he's just getting better and better and better. And that is such an exciting teammate rivalry that I see going,

but turning particularly frosty, I think, in the coming seasons when they both, as number one drivers apparently, want to go for victories and for championships. I feel as though, and I'm with the theories that other people have been circulating, that Oscar Piastri might have something in his contract to not allow him to be a number two driver. But if McLaren have genuinely signed a contract where it doesn't say, unless our other driver is within shot of the driver's world championship, then this clause is null and void. But we all see, because last thing we've seen, Tommy, is that McLaren are now thinking about potentially team orders.

Is that right? Yeah, yeah, they are. Indeed. But the context that you mentioned, yeah, it is very interesting that Mark Weber is his manager, who of course suffered from being a number two driver famously, even quoting it on the radio alongside Sebastian Vettel. And whether it's in his contract, whether it's part of Oscar's mentality, because I've seen a lot of people say, look, and you can, we're not going to have the debate whether it's

the right or wrong thing to do. But Oscar Piastri is a driver, you have to be selfish. And it's savage, and Lando Norris fans won't like to hear it. But Lando Norris may be winning the world title. It's probably the worst thing that could happen to Oscar Piastri's career in a weird way. So next year, if he doesn't win the title and you go into it and based on the way Oscar's racing, he's got, he's kind of, he wants to be in that position to basically be like, no, look, I'm the one that's going around the outside of my teammate turn two and got my elbows out and

doing this so um yeah this is the for all the kind of shouting and screaming about formula one it's actually what is what makes the sport so fascinating because there are so many storylines uh about you know how this this relationship uh and and teammate battle is actually going to go uh it makes it incredibly exciting to be honest for the future And what a contract to sign as well. Say, you know, we do, there is a contract that Piastri has where he is allowed to have equal status to Lando. Whoever is, if it was Mark Weber that's got that out of McLaren when supposedly Lando Norris is their golden child and that's all their eggs are in Lando Norses's basket. When he went to McLaren as well, it was, it was very much like, yeah, Lando's the golden boy.

Yeah. And for that, for McLaren to not want to step in here. make that happen. It's a very fascinating situation. Anyway, we've moved on now. The fans gave Oscar Piatri a nine as well. Lando Norris started first, finished third. I've gone for an eight out of ten for Lando Norris. What do you mean, Jolly? He didn't lead lap one and therefore he should get a three. So I'm covering the comments now. Well, what I will say to that is I am done odd about seven or an eight but at the end of the day this is called Italian Grand Prix F1 driver ratings and I have to grade what Lando did in the Italian Grand Prix and that

was finish third a few seconds off his teammate in a good car like it's it's not bad enough to be a seven that there are a lot of things that happen in that race British bias sorry sorry I just came out of me there are a lot of things there are a lot of things that happened in that race that I think have hurt Lando Norris's reputation as a driver, like a lot from what happened at the start to lose the lead again, to get overtaken by Oscar Pastery, made mistakes, but on the result, he has actually done a good job still. And if that's an off day, it's still a good job. I can't, I can't downgrade him because I think, he should have been tougher because he's finished in a good result and only a few seconds

behind his teammate. That's not the debate we're having here. It's how he did in the Italian Grand Prix. And it's worthy of an eight in my opinion. Exactly. It's an eight out of ten from me as well because it was slightly worse than Piastri. But he still finished three odd seconds behind him and I think it was six off the win. So I think giving him anything lower than an eight, yes, he made a mistake in the second chican, which cost him some time and it wasn't perfect but that's why we're giving him an eight. It's a strong performance. He's still on the podium and he qualified on pole position, which a lot of people are now turning into a negative that he can't then turn that into leading after lap one, but he's still

showing he's got outright pace there and that should be commended rather than, and I've spoken like a true Charlotte Clare fan that you should commend someone not converting a pole position. They've got the same record now. Have you seen that? The percentage of pole to wins. Oh really? I did wonder what the poll to win ratio. It's 25% now the same. Also, I do want to say, you know, we spoke in the podcast about Shal having more wins than polls.

That's not actually true. Yes, it doesn't true. Yeah, I saw that. I realized quite soon after that SPAR actually happened he started on pole. And then the age old argument happened in the comments

where people are going, no, that's Max's pole. No, it's not. It's Shal's pole. So it is actually two all, which I need a front row start in Baku and then for him to win back.

But yes, anyway, back to Lando. It's an 8 out of 10 from me. And it also is an 8 out of 10 from the fans. So we all agree and we can get on and be happy families. Carlos Seines, started fifth, finish fourth. It's an 8 out of 10 for me for Carlos Sines. I think it was a strong weekend for Carlos. Wasn't quite on the level of Charlerc,

but we'll get on to commending him shortly. but he made a one-stop work to a decent degree, finished fourth, quite comprehensively ahead of the Mercedes and the Red Bulls. I don't think seeing where his situation was, I don't know, I don't think he could have beaten the McLaren's, and perhaps that's where he would have got a higher grade, but yeah, it was still a decent enough Grand Prix from Carlos and some good points for Ferrari.

Yeah, I've gone for an eight out of ten as well. I think it was a very good drive from Carlos, but the gap to his teammate is a bit disappointing when they're on the same strategy, and if anything, Carlos, you could argue, maybe even had a better one because they extended it and he had better tie life at the end. But then whether he took more out of his tires, defending,

you have to give credit to him for helping Charlotte Clare take that win because he held Oscar Pastriot by a few seconds. as did stroll, but obviously Carlos doing it on purpose. Oh, right, no, let me change it. Lance Stroll 10 out of time. And, yeah, it would have been cool to see Carla. This is completely unrelated to drive ratings, but it would have been cool to see Carlos on the podium

in what would be his last race for Ferrari at Monza because I think he's been a fantastic Ferrari driver. It's such a great partnership. that Sainz and LeClaire have. I still can't believe they've not made contact. But he played a great team game to help LeClaire take the win. So it's a shame that he wasn't rewarded with the podium. I did find his comments after the race slightly confusing.

Because I believe he said something along the lines of, we stayed out long for some reason or something like that when I specifically recall one of the team radios of him saying all of those guys are going to struggle on the tyres later on in the race. So I feel as though perhaps a bit of a mixed messaging there but Carlos I think was right to carry on a few more laps. He did lose a bit of time

but that should have come back to him towards the end but it didn't and I feel as though the graining on the tyres and the phases that the drivers went through were just different depending on your driving style. So yeah, it's an eight out of ten as well for Carlos from the fans. Charles LeCleur

started fourth finish first it's normally the opposite way around isn't it shut up it's a not no of course it's not a nine it is a 10

it would be an 11 if it could be it is probably the drive of the season I put myself on the spot here there may be betters but it's up there I was watching some analysis of how he drove in those final laps

and the way he drove the car to help with the tyre it's all this stuff that you can't see as a fan watching but when you get the context of it the fact that Carlos has done a great job that we were just talking about

but Charles pitted earlier than him and had his tyres in at the end to make it happen in a weird way I know it was a master class from Ferrari strategy-wise but it almost kind of wasn't

because of course at the start they messed up by not giving him a bit more time out if he was going to lose to the undercut anyway, like he said, why didn't I just stay out and get me more tie life at the end? So it was an unbelievable drive. He passed Lando,

made it stick, he saw the opportunity, which getting himself in the middle of the McLaren's was, could argue, important to his race as well. Just such a good drive, like so, so good. I think we need better super. pernative's fantastic perfect beautiful it's a 10 out of 10 for charlaclaclure from me as well just simply sensational and look Ferrari I don't think they did a huge amount in this if anything they were

telling him to change his brake bias and they would and he told them to swiftly do one because he kept they kept asking the break balance plus one and he didn't want to it's more on charles for sure because Ferrari didn't, it made no sense to pit him one lap later than Lando. They would have seen on their calculations that Lando was going to jump, Charles, but he just made that work and not, I mean, a driver in literally the same team didn't make the one-stop work even though he pitted four laps later. So that was all down to Shal and the way he drove those tires. He said that once Piastri Pitt, the dirty air was gone and the tires started to come back to him.

And that's just, I can't believe. he's beaten the McLaren's. I really can't. In a car that was absolutely not the best car. I wonder if Lando didn't mean to say that the Ferrari had the best car, perhaps he meant to say more the fact that they had the better strategy

or they drove it better or whatever. Because Ferrari did not have the fastest car in that race. No shot. McLaren gave them an opportunity. Shal, and this is the most, I'm going to fan boy here, but let me cook because I think we're allowed to here. is that Ferrari gave Shal a strategy which looked like a two-stop.

I know that they said going into it, they wanted to try the one, but everything was pointing towards a two. And so a driver will drive slightly differently. They think they're going to have another pit stop. They're going to push a bit harder in the start of their stint. They're not going to be so worried about degradation because they know they're going to stop with 15, 20 laps to go. So to then be able to turn the race or his race into a one-stop

is utterly impressive. And I am stunned. that he managed to pull that off and that's why I've given him a stone cold perfect 10 out of 10 and no surprise the fans gave him a 7 no he didn't give him a 10 because it was just so beautiful before before you move on actually

oh no no let's keep talking about him that's fine carry on this is by far the most crushing driver rating vote that we've ever had yeah talk to me um so I did make 200 ultimate ultimate accounts You made how many? 200. 200, yeah.

Well, there's a lot more votes than that, and it's still easily won. So 95% of the votes, which we never get that many, because there'll always be the odd troll vote or whatever. And the 5% were Piastri fans. Maybe, yeah, or just McLaren fans in general. Yeah, 95% 10 out of 10,

4.2% 9. And then the rest are literally just people voting zero because they think they're funny. Hilarious. Yeah, such great banter. And then everything else is literally no votes. So it's not even a debate that it's a 10. Yeah, so for those of you that voted 9,

I just want to talk. Right, let's move on to George Russell. Started third, finished 7th. It's a four out of ten for me for George Russell because it was a mistake at the start, which cost him everything. Yes, you can say that he lost breaking performance because he was so close to Oscar, and Oscar did move over quite late, but at the same time, there was enough time for George to just take term one easy.

He did not do that. He misjudged it, and I have to downgrade him quite significantly because he finished seventh. He finished behind a Red Bull, which was horrendous this weekend. and Hamilton, who started down in sixth, finished 16, 17 seconds clear of him. So it's a poor weekend from George again. And you look at his run of form. And you go, that does not match up to how the Mercedes has been

in the last five or six. Obviously, got disqualified in spa and things like that. But it's actually crazy how poor his results have been, considering the pace that has potentially been there in that Mercedes. So, yeah, it's a four from me because, it was very, very avoidable for me. I've gone for a five out of ten for George Russell. The mistake at the start was, yeah, unforgivable, really.

It can happen at Monza, but when you're running in an excellent P3, to make that mistake and just completely undo your entire race with one moment. I'm not going to be as harsh because he at least made it through to beat one of Formula A if it's, you know, debatably someone that normally is at the back of it. But George Russell, for all his brilliant driving and his qualifying pace is unbelievable.

He's another one like Lando that needs to shake off a narrative. And that narrative being that, you know, I've seen a lot of memes basically being like, George Russell started on pole and Hamilton started 20th, they'd probably finish together on the road. And the evidence based on the season is kind of, it is going that way because, again, you know, he's qualified so well and far clear of his teammate,

and then he's finished 17 seconds behind him. I know this time it was a mistake, but he really needs to start delivering in the races as well as just qualifying. He certainly does. The fans gave him a six. Lewis Hamilton started sixth, finished fifth. I've gone for an eight out of ten for Lewis Hamilton.

It was a strong result where all things considered to make up a position. I don't think the Mercedes was all that great this weekend. So quiet race has to be said. He said they didn't have the pace, which I... agree with of the front too. So he maximised where he could be really. I've gone for a seven out of ten for Hamilton. Of course, had a poor qualifying,

which he was very annoyed at himself at for losing two and a half tenths or so on his flying lap, which could have cost him a front row start. And had that been the case, who knows what his result might have been. But instead, it was a very lonely race for him. Of course, beat the Red Bulls, and you wouldn't think getting a seven out of ten

for beating the Red Bulls would be possible. But yeah, I think it was a good drive, but nothing too special. And the fans gave Hamilton a seven as well. Sergio Perez started eighth, finished eighth. It's a six out of ten for Sergio Perez. I'm not really sure what happened to him in the last sort of 15 laps, where he just sort of fell off a cliff.

And there's been an interview that happened after the race that had been doing the rounds, that now Max is suffering with the same problems Sergio has been having for the whole season, which I'm sure was not him trying to say that Max now has the same car as Sergio, but that's the way a lot of the internet took it. But it was solid for most of it,

if we're comparing to Max. Just, yeah, the last stint was pretty poor in comparison to his teammate. So I've gone for a six. I've gone for a 7 out of 10 for Sergio Perez. I think the Red Bull, the benefit of the doubt I'm giving that the Red Bull, in my opinion, was the fourth fastest car, and he's finished P8 behind his teammate. And I guess you can argue that it's Formula A, and there is a big gap there.

But at least he's put in the results in the points compared to his teammate is not far off, which is arguably what he does need to be doing for the Constructors' Championship, even though I think that Constructors' Championship is well gone. Now, even though I don't think... I think it's going to take a miracle for Red Bull to win it now, personally. It's quite crazy. But it's funny that he mentioned that, oh, Max is now experiencing the car that I'm driving. I didn't actually take it that way that maybe he's not had that car.

but ironically if he's saying that the car you know he's had that car and he's always struggled to drive it and now Max has started to struggle more kind of makes you think that my god Max must have been an unbelievable job at the start of season then to be where he was absolutely the fans gave Sergio Perez a six

Max Verstappen started seventh finished sixth I've gone for an eight out of ten for Max Verstappen Dan Boy. Is it they? Sorry, just sort of thread it in there. Fourth fastest car, and he's finished ahead. So it probably should be 11, actually, to be a child of club.

Actually, this is the drive of the season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unbelievable. No, he was unlucky. Obviously, had another poor pit stop. The only sort of, I know he won't take this, because he looked absolutely dejected after the race, but the only kind of saving grace for him is the fact that McLaren desperately don't want to win the driver's title.

So that kind of helps him with the points because you base it on Saturday. It was looking like an enormous point swing and it ended up being a lot less, if not still a lot. But Red Bull needs to fix something fast. But Max still delivered despite a bad pit stop and a woeful car. damage limitation to finish P6. I've gone for a seven out of ten for Max Verstappen. I would think that perhaps he would have had a better result had his qualifying gone better as well.

It was a very poor Q3, which meant that he started seventh. You look at the difference of times. He did a 196 in Q2 and then a 20 flat, I think it was in Q3. So there was a lot of times still on the table for Red Bull over one lap, and perhaps that would have set him up better.

where he wouldn't have started on the hards, for example, or Red Bull felt like they needed to do something different because that didn't work going on the hards at the beginning. I think he was suffering with power as well, engine issue during the race and had a slow pit stop, and everything just didn't really go his way. But yeah, it's going to be a seven from me, and the fans gave him a seven as well.

And that is it. Who is our P1, Charlotte Clare? Sorry, was I supposed to suspense that? Who is our P1? Hmm. Let me think, is it driver of the season, driver of the last 10 years, perhaps? Drive of the century.

Charles LeClair is my P1. Nobody else. And now what about who you're giving P1 in Drive ratings? Hey, good one, because he finished first. I feel like next year we should do our Who is our P20 as well? That would be quite funny. But Logan's gone. Oh, sorry.

That'd be who is RP21. We had to mention him, didn't we? Yeah, Charlotte Claire has to be... Did you see someone? I don't know who did the meme. I think it was F1 troll or something that said, I'm so happy to see Logan Sargent been promoted to Colonel.

That was a great joke. That was COL on the time of time. That was brilliant. It's brilliant. Yeah, Charlotte Claire, for me, what's she? Well, it has to be, Charle. It was the only... Never just cook.

Just say some really nice things about him. Well, yeah. he had to face some tough competition from Kevin Magnuson for who gets my P1, so I'll give it to Charles. Wait, did you give Magnuson a 10? No, no. It's going to say. It would have been a 10 without the lockup in my...

That's not confuse the parameters. P1 is 10 out of tens only. This is a strict club for Charlotte Claire. Or of them. Yeah. I've said everything I need to say, but I know you just want to... Just keep extending this one because I know for a fact, Baku will be probably horrendous and I'm back to pay.

again but we will get onto that another time that is it we are done thank you so much everybody for tuning into this f1 driver ratings for the italian grand prix i was going to say let's know your thoughts you've already written them and if you haven't please do you've not finished the video before you've uh let's just remember let's just remember it's all a bit of fun we're just two f1 fans that give numbers all right so let's all just have a great time we're allowed our opinion give us a like give us a like if you actually enjoy this series because sometimes we still do consider throwing ourselves off a balcony when we read the comments. But let us know, you know, if you do still enjoy it, thumbs up and all that.

And that is it. Tell me, what's your final thoughts? My final thoughts are that, you know, you banter about that. At the end of the day, we're never going to agree. There will always be different opinions. And you have absolutely, whether I agree with it or not, you have, if you think, that Max Zapatan deserved a four, if you think deserved, Maxxifton deserved a 10, whatever. Like, we're all allowed opinions. No opinion is a wrong opinion. But it's just the way you

present your opinion is absolutely fine as long as it's respectful and respectful of everyone else's opinion because we all have different ones. Otherwise, the world would be a very boring place. I really hoped through all of that nice coating of, you know, whether you think it's a four, yeah, if you thought Max Verstappen was a four, you should have just gone, F you, I'm right. To be honest, like, screw you all because you gave Alonzo 5. Actually, respect opinions. You're all wrong.

There we go. Beautiful ending. We'll see you very soon. Lots of love. Bye. Bye. That is the loudest thing in the world. Where is that coming from?

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