P1 with Matt and Tommy - Italian GP Race Review

Episode Date: September 7, 2025

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the B1 podcast with Matt and Tommy. Take a deep breath. Because, well, goodness me, I thought this was going to be a stinker of a podcast. I thought we were going to have to talk about, I don't know, the first two laps and then say, thanks everybody for listening. We'll see you in two weeks time for Baku. However, McLaren decided, you know what, Matt and Tommy, we'll give you a lovely little talking point to throw in.

Of course, we're Italian Grand Prix auditioning today. Tommy. And you, and I quote after the end of the watchalong, said you are riled up. I am. Yeah, which is crazy because most of the step and won the race by 20 seconds. And I'm obviously absolutely buzzing about that because I didn't know if we'd maybe see another victory from Max this year based on McLaren's pace. But yeah, brilliantly won the race. But my word, that end was so triggering to me. Yeah, I can't believe it. We will get into all of that. Don't you worry. Before we do dive into that, of course, a big shout out to our P1 Patrons who'll be getting extra chat at the end of every single race review this year. A lot to talk about, of course. And also a shout out to what Australia tour, new dates added on Tuesday, Adelaide. Your tickets are going live as well. So go and check that all out. And we will see you in May 2026. The tickets are flying off the shelves. We've had three shows sold out. So go and check them out. Right. Let's not mess around, shall we? Let's get straight to my most memorable moment. Sadly, nothing to do with Ferrari. It has to be

the McLaren chaos that happened at the end of the race. So I think for sort of reminders for some people, perhaps a bit of information for some people, let's go through the radio transcript that went on. So of course, Lando was ahead of Oscar and it was pretty much stale-mate. Oscar had started to close in towards the end of their massively long first stint, around three seconds, and we thought it would just be easy-peasy, right? The McLaren's, they would box Lando, then they were boxed Oscar, and it would just be a very simple end to the race. However, that is not what happened. McLaren went, hey, bombshell. Remember, hungry, let's do it again. Yeah, let's see how many people were riled up after that one? Let's do it again. So, let's go through

a bit of the teen radio transcript first. So Will Joseph, Lando's race engineer. He said, we'll box onto the soft this lap to Lando. Lando then said, do you want to box the other car first? To which Will then said, yeah, we'll do that. We'll swap it around, which both myself and Tommy understand that to be, we'll swap around the car that's coming in first as opposed to positions.

Yeah, because they wouldn't be thinking about the fact that they wouldn't be swapping, yeah. That's how we understand it anyway. Will then said, stay out. Lando said only if he doesn't have the gap, otherwise I'll box first. So of course, Lando offering the pit stop, then saying, oh, hold on, let me think about that undercut that he might get with the soft tires. And then Will said to him, there will be no undercut.

Then, henceforth, after that. There was an undercut. Yeah, there was an undercut. Oscar Piaastri then pits and has a 1.9 second pit stop. Lando has a slow pit stop. It was what, 5.9, 5.8, something like that. Really quite slow. And then Oscar gets ahead into P2.

May I remind you all, they are championship rivals. The only two championship rivals. The constructors is wrapped up with a lovely bow just on the top of it, ready for December. It is. So it is a driver's championship battle between the two of them. Oscar gets ahead. and then we get the police swap come out. So the engineer of Oscar said,

Oscar, this is a bit like hungry last year. We pitted in this order for team reasons. I don't really, the team reasons feels like a very, very light. Charles Lecler's half a lap behind, let's just cover him off kind of vibe. I think, you know, Shal was quite close come the end. Don't get me wrong. But again, it's just they're covering for covering, sake, in my opinion.

So please that Landau Pass and you're free to race. And Oscar says, I mean we said that, I mean, there was a bit of a pause. We said that a slow pit stop was part of racing. So I don't really get what's changed here. But if we really want to do it, I'll do it. We are up to speed. Look, Tommy, you are riled up

and I just want to let you put on your chef's apron and just really share your thoughts first. And then we'll get to mine. My first thoughts are are we watching the Formula One World Championship or CBBs because I am sick

of this child television programme. It's a children's... Yeah. Yeah, like what is, what am I watching where two world championship rivals are like, after you, no, after you, let's swap because that's fair. Oh, wonderful, sunshine and rainbows.

This is the elite level of motorsport and we've been having this conversation that as this season there's been a lot of talk about this championship is kind of auraless and there's not much going on and we need it to get a bit more spicy

and we're now eight races to go and it's actually the opposite where we're actually making them swap and as you said they have wrapped up the championship and it's absolutely ridiculous

to there's so many bits to this but it's absolutely ridiculous for this to even happen in the first place but for then to allow the swap for me you can talk about you know lando deserved to be p2 like he he did he he was a quicker driver is a quicker driver i thought he actually um was he did a great move on max at the start to kind of get ahead and and put himself in that at that position of course couldn't didn't have the the pace to do it but he had the pace to be ahead of oscar piastri I deserved it.

I think his decision to suggest they swap in the first base is a bit of an insane one because this shows that they're not, they don't see each other as championship rivals. Should we break it down to the segment? So let's go with that one first. Yeah. Okay. So the first thing, like why is Lando offering his championship rival, the undercut?

It's almost like that's a question, Tommy, that you put in the sheet. So should we say that first? I know you're really excited. Go on, you do that. Let's keep the structure. Let's keep everything. Honestly, we're very excited to talk about this because it is a big thing to, of course, talk about in Formula One. P1 Patriot member Anastasia W says, even though McLaren made the questionable call to swap the drivers,

why did Lando offer Oscar the undercut in the first place? Well, it's insane for him to do it. I don't know why he did. He shouldn't have. To be fair to him, he does then ask the question to be fair to him of only if I'm not going to lose a position. So he kind of realizes quite quickly and goes, only if I'm not going to lose a position. And the team reassures him that he won't.

But in the watch along, and I'm sure everyone thinking at home, we said it before, we'd even seen this play out. What if it's a slow stop? Because that opens a really tricky situation. And lo and behold, it was a slow stop for the car. And I don't actually think, I think it would have been maybe a bit close had they just not done the slow stop for Lando,

but I think he probably would have stayed ahead potentially in that situation. So yeah, to answer that question, I don't know why he offered that. That's a bit crazy to me, but I understand from his point of view that he did basically say, oh, well, he's almost had too much trust in his team there, I think. So there's more to this as well from what I can see. that I'm sort of questioning.

And so Lando, you can kind of read this a few ways, can't you? Like Lando saying, why don't you box the other car first, that can be seen as him almost being like, well, don't want to have Oscar in a, this is how I initially saw it. It was like, oh, don't let Oscar be attacked by who's where it's behind. I'm like, bro, you're fighting each other in the world championship. You want Oscar P.4. You want Oscar to have the worst strategy possible to get. Exactly.

You need to gain points. However, I think it's more the case that Lando wanted to go as long. as possible, if there is a freak VSC that comes out, he gains a lot of time and wins the rest. He wouldn't even have won at that point. If it was a VSC, he would have got a cheap stop. But Max was so quick in that final stint on those hard tyres that even then it would have been difficult. So, but I don't buy that. I don't, I think it's not worth the risk. Lando staying out for an extra lap, a one minute 20 amount of time hoping for a VSC and then putting yourself at risk to the championship rival that you have in your team of Oscar Piastri.

So I don't buy that as a good strategy call in the slightest to stay out and allow Oscar to have the undercut, even if there's been this whole, yes, he will not get the undercut, fine. But it wasn't, it isn't just like the soft tires were slightly quicker. There was a slow stop. You put yourself in that vulnerable position. And I am so shocked that Lando put himself into that position anyway. And then we had the scenario play out

And as we've obviously gone through And then Oscar is put in a difficult position We all get flashbacks to Hungary 2024 again Which we all didn't want to go back to But they even mention on the radio like we said This is a bit like Hungary last year Oh what the absolute carnage and just mismanagement That that was

I just utterly bizarre to be honest with you There's no need for them to be in that situation again Absolutely crazy No no Absolutely not. So Oscar's put in that position. And for me, an Oscar quite rightly says, you had a slow pit stop. That's part of racing. That's not just a normal undercut. Norris had a difficult pit stop and Piastri got through. That is racing. And I think this is where, and I think a lot of people perhaps are finding it hard to get fully invested into this championship fight is because of

this nicie, nicey fairness BS that we're currently watching. But then there's a really interesting point and a question I'm going to come in now with from Alex Splicit, who says, why did McLaren swap the cars today and not in Silverstone when Oscar got the penalty? Because I believe that McLaren felt it was unfair that the Oscar got the penalty. Silverstone. Lando benefited from it and yet there was no such conversation really. Oscar even suggested it, right? Oscar even said, if you think it's unfair, swap the cars and then we can race. Yeah. They didn't. Yeah, I do, I personally think that that example, I get it. I get that the fact that, and I do, I said at the time that I appreciate that Oscar actually called their bluff

on that one with McLaren when they said, you've got a really unfair penalty and he's, said, well, let me back through then, and they said no. And but, but I do think personally, this is just my opinion, that those incidents are different because Oscar, it was Oscar's fault that one, whereas it wasn't Landau's fault that they had the pit stop. But what I have a problem with is, I think a better example here is, and I guess this is very extreme because they obviously would have lost the race win. But like, if they're going for the championship and we're kind of making it perfectly fair in every situation and this is part of racing, why didn't Oscar pull over at Zandvoort and stop?

Because Landis had a car failure. It's literally the same logic. I know, of course, that would mean they'd lose the win. But this is the can of worms that McLaren have now opened with this. I think Oscar is well within his right to have this conversation of saying a slow pit stop is part of racing. is part of racing. It's part of racing, that is. I know it is unlucky Philando,

but it's Formula One. Like, you can't manipulate a championship to be absolutely perfect here and there. And I actually think they do more damage doing this because they just get loads of questions on them about this. And as we go into the season, there'll be more and more and more and more and more. Like, it opens a massive can of worms, in my opinion.

As well, I reckon Mark Weber will have steam coming out of his ears after Oscar being told to give that position back. It's unfair. It's unfair on him. And I reckon Mark would have a word with Oscar after this and say, look, I wouldn't have given that position back, mate. But, and on that, I actually think that Oscar did the right thing to let it go because he doesn't want to create the kind of bad tension. in the team for the sake of a few points and I know that could be the crucial moment in the championship. This is more unfair that they even asked him to do that in the first place. I think there's, you know, people will go, oh, Orlando wouldn't have. I think Lando would have.

I personally think Lando would have got out of the way as well. But Lando has done it in the past. Yeah, he has done it in the past. They're both ingrained into this team philosophy. But yeah, they are both ingrained into it. And Oscar Piastri has chosen to keep the peace there, but it is absolutely not fair to ask the world championship leader going for his first world championship to make way for his teammate who is his only other championship rival because he had a slow pit stop. There's so many moments this season, championships are won by tiny little things here and there. We had this conversation when Lando had the breakdown.

Oscars had bad luck as well. he's a misfortune. The kind of them going off him and him and Lando into the gravel, we kind of said like that's so unlucky that he lost the car and it's kind of, it's an unlucky moment and equally, you know, strategies and things like that. And moments, you can't, as we go into this championship now, this is just going to cause so much chaos

because McLaren will get so much heat on them for every single moment they play now. Oscar has a mechanical failure. everyone will be shouting, why isn't Landau stopping? Oscar has a slow pit stop. Why isn't Landau now letting him back through? There would be so many moments like this for the rest of the season. I just want to say on this as well, there is no criticism towards Landau here in the slightest. No, he deserved to be in.

But the only thing I questioned, obviously, was the fact that he even offered the fact for Oscar to Pitt. But in terms of like the booing he had on the podium, that was completely unfair and not on him. Like it's a McLaren thing. This is a McLaren decision. similar to Hungary last year. It's a McLaren outrage that is currently happening here and a questioning of their decision. Yeah, people, like, if you'd, I'd have criticism.

Lando didn't say anything, as far as I'm aware and can see from all the radio transcripts. It's not like Lando was begging on the radio. He wasn't, he didn't ask for it. McLaren took that decision themselves, and I don't think they should have. Regardless of which way around it was, you do not swap cars from a slow pit stop.

A slow pit stop, as Oscar Piastri says, is part of racing. And there will be so many other incidents where stuff like this happens. So I want to explore the fact that you think that Oscar made the right decision a little bit more. Put Max Verstappen in that situation, your boy. I think that's a relevant. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah. I'm saying, right, let's imagine, right, Max, your boy.

And then he's fighting a teammate for the World Championship. Max lets someone through. Are you saying that that's the right decision to keep the piece? No, because it's Max's team, so he'll say F off, whereas Oscar Piastri... But I'm just thinking like, what benefit does Oscar get from keeping the peace here over a few points, which I think he could absolutely have argued that it was fair enough. I think, okay, the only thing I think Oscar could have done is complain more to get more heat on McLaren without and potentially then do it

and then it and then it you know whips up a narrative of like McClure and a favouring Landau and all this kind of stuff which would work in his favour I think but I don't think that it was worth him causing absolute chaos in that team and getting bad blood with his own team when it is three points and I know those three points are massive

that's a six point swing it's not three points is it yeah yeah true but I do I personally understand why Oscar did that. I understand why Mark Weber will be fuming about it.

I think this is more on McLaren even saying that in the first place. They should never have been having this conversation.

I just don't think it's, I think it's less, I think it's less fair than having the pit stop because it is part of racing. It's more fair to, unfair to

let Oscar give that place back than it is the slow stop in the first place because that, unfortunately, is just, that's always been part of Formula One. We've seen world championships decided by mechanical failures and things between teammates and stuff and no team has ever interjected and gone.

You know what, Nika Rosberg, Hamilton actually retired in the last three races. Can you just slow down please and maybe just retire from the next race? Obviously, this is an extreme example you're using Tommy and something that is never going to happen because there's like fairness that McLaren can fix and then fairness that McLaren can't fix, which is a DNF, and that's where obviously the line is drawn, but then it's a very grey area as to how much fairness they can hand out. I'm not saying as well that there isn't benefits to Oscar giving the position back. I think from a fairness point of view, cool.

You've kept the peace. But as a tangible benefit, you have a six-point swing in the championship, and you're a little bit more comfortable with eight races to go. So I think there's definitely benefits on both sides. Let's go to another question, because we are just popping off about this. but hey, Monza was pretty rubbish up until this point. People on Patreon remember, Grim. Do you think McLaren is just going to manage this championship to death

so that they have a controversial free double championship? I hope not, because this is the thing now with it. And as I mentioned, this has opened the floodgates now that puts pressure on McLaren to do this for literally everything. Because I thought about this scenario. I know we've compared things like, we've compared Silverstone, haven't we, in that Oscar Piastri penalty,

which may be different things. Are you telling me that in Abu Dhabi, this is a hypothetical scenario, we get to Abu Dhabi, they're level on points, Oscar Piastri is winning the race, and they have a slow pit stop, and Oscar Piastri loses the lead to Lando, they are telling Lando,

please let Oscar through to win the world championship. No, they're not. And people will go, that's ridiculous to do it in the final race. but all these moments matter. Yeah, where do you draw the line? There's only a few races to go now. So it's absolutely ludicrous to start

like they're manipulating the result more by doing this than they are having slow pit stops and things which are part of racing because of course they're not they're not doing that on purpose of slow pit stop. Of course they're not because, I mean, it's proof because they've even swapped the positions back to show that, you know, look, we didn't mean it, Lando.

know, we actually, you know, want you to be ahead because this is unfair and we made the mistake. But no way in that situation in Abu Dhabi, if this happens, they are allowing it the other way around. Like, it's stupid. It's absolutely stupid, in my opinion. And they're going to get, they're going to get, if they get into a mess over this and these final few races,

it's completely deserved because you should, be doing it. Yeah, they've gone down a very dangerous route. Very dangerous. For sure. I hope they maybe understand the error of their ways at some point. Well, they didn't because they didn't learn from it in Hungary and now they're doing it for a literal world championship time. Maybe this time. I really hope they don't manage much more. I know that they've obviously done this. It's not like it wasn't just a slow stop. There was the whole conversation before. But if you put yourself in Oscar Piastri's shoes, he's not agreed to this. I know that there's the team rules and the driver ahead has to get the preferential strategy.

But when that all unfolds and there's a slow pit stop involved, has Oscar really agreed to this? Clearly not by the team radio that we heard from him just before he let him through. Because then just one more thing. Like if, yeah, so say they had done the normal, say they'd just done it the way where Lando had pitted first and Oscar pitted second and Lando still had his really slow pit stop. and Oscar came out ahead, would they swap it back then? Or is this situation because of the fact that they promised Lando,

there wouldn't be an undercut and there was? Because it wasn't an undercut. It was the mistake. But like, that is... It's a team mistake, but it's part of racing as BF3Cet. What team mistakes go in the box of we will let the drivers swap, and what team mistakes won't? And it's just...

Yeah, it's a mess. I can't remember the last. I don't have you ever seen this. Have we ever seen this in Formula One where a team tries to manage it this much in like a let's try and keep both drivers happy. Yeah, yeah, I don't think so. I've never, I've never seen it like this before. We've got number ones and number two number twos, but this is two number ones going up

against each other and it's just quite bizarre to watch. I just go to another question, P1 Patreon member Alan Enderpey. At what point will Oscar and Lando stop playing nice and start to get a bit more aggressive with their championship battle? I don't know if we'll ever see it, if I'm being completely honest with you. They are just both very nice guys But too nice Yeah

They're very nice with each other They haven't had a big controversial incident With each other to maybe Stir the pot slightly Of course Lando in Montreal Immediately apologized But at some point I want to see as a Formula One fan

Like spice They're to just It's spice but it's also just It looking like they both really want to win The World Championship And they'll do anything to win it. Like the the Vastappans and the Hamilton's, the

tenacity, the cutthroatness that they have, and that's the reason why they have a huge amount of championships. That's what makes a champion. I think we obviously see that more with Oscar in some ways this year and how he's been pretty ruthless, but, and even last year when he wasn't in the

championship fighter, Monzo last year, we've seen that ruthless side of him. I want to see more of that because then you get more invested in it. But I'm struggling to I'm obviously interested to see who wins the world championship. Don't get me wrong. I love Formula One.

I want to see who wins. But it doesn't feel the same. It doesn't feel the same. And people may confuse what we want here. Like, I don't want to say, I mean, and some people would. I don't want to see Lando and Oscar start, you know, having a boxing match in the cool down room. No.

But what I don't want to see is when we've had this contentious incident between the two of them. And they're there in the cool down room going, oh, that was a nice overtake. mate? Oh yeah, yours too. Oh my god. This is so funny. Because this is what we've said so many times that this could be the only chance he's to ever get of winning a world championship. They've got a long career ahead of them, but you never know. And I want them to want it so much to the point where, and they do. And they're doing it in their own way.

They're doing it a very different way to. They don't show it in the same way that we used to see. I'm not here saying they don't want to win the world championship. of course they do. But I think from just the way I've grown up watching Formula One and things and, you know, Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton

were great friends and they were teammates. And as soon as the World Championship were on the line, they were throwing caps at each other. We had, I'm not slowing down for Nico, things like that. And yeah, it got messy and some people say it's a shame to see two friends kind of fall out over a championship but from my side, I'm watching the literal creme de la creme of motorsport

what these kids dream of their entire lives and only 20 people get to do this and it's the very top of that. It's the top of the billions, like, sorry, millions and millions of people that are doing carting and trying to get into Formula One. And this is like the absolute pinnacle of it. And I personally, myself, want to see them showing, that they want this so bad and they'll absolutely do everything.

And some people will say, well, you know, not everyone is kind of going to be unsporting and stuff. And, you know, fair play to them for doing it the way they want to. But I personally would like to see a bit more kind of, as it's kind of really ramped up now, I want to see more from it. I want to see them riled up and kind of have those moments where they are. Yeah.

And I think to be honest with you, this maybe even comes more down to, to McLaren and the way that they're trying to manage them both having their toys and being happy because without McLaren stepping in, of course, Lando would then be questioning it maybe a little bit and things like that, but instead, you know, McLaren are jumping in and be like, guys, are we okay? We're both happy? Like, we're both fine. For all my complaining about McLaren and how they've messed up this situation, they've got an incredible PR team to have two World Championship rivals, basically being in the cool damn room, being like, oh, it's all right,

mate yeah well done good drive jolly good um because not obviously not other other people haven't been able to do that in the past mcclaren themselves like a centa prost right yeah and but look this dynamic might change uh the urgency of a world championship right on you know as we get to the last five races three races i'm sure it could unfold but but right now yeah and we sure we saw a glimpse of that of like for me i was actually very pleased to see lando for like obviously obviously Obviously, it's on my favorite driver Max, but go for that move on Max because we said this, like, you need to go for it. Like, you need to win this race, especially when at the start, which feels ages ago, and it's the shortest race, when Oscar was down in P4 and actually behind Charlerclair, we were saying, like, this could be massive for the championship because Lando, you know, you need to beat Max here and get this massive result. So they are showing it in that sense.

But yeah, just a bit more popcorn would be lovely with them. Okay, all right. We've unleashed a big segment which didn't exist until a few laps before the end of the race. Tommy, let's go to your most memorable moment. It is. Max Lappen's victory. Of course it is. Of course it is.

Yeah, well, it wasn't Shellerclis P4. Maxus Tappan. Just cheap shots every time. It's ridiculous. Yeah, an amazing win from Max. I'll be honest, I thought when he had to give that place back to Lando at the start, that that was game over and Lando would potentially check out. But of course, got the lead back.

I know you very much thought that wasn't going to be the case. I was like pessimistic Tommy again. Yeah, but that being said, so many, so many races we've seen Max, it's insane to think that Max has been on poll the most this year, a joint with Oscar Piastri. He's got five poles. Oscar's got five poles. Landers got four poles. But he can't, he's very often, more often than not, he's not able to deliver in the race because of how good that McLaren is. And yeah, I thought it would be the same, particularly when he lost the lead, but he had incredible pace. And it never really looked in doubt until the situation

at the end, where of course McLaren, which they joked about in the cool down room, were praying for some kind of VSC in every single incident. And when Olly Bearman and Carlos Sites collided, my heart was in my mouth thinking, right, this is where he loses the lead. And I think Max even joked about that himself. But yeah, it was an incredible victory, has to be said, like dominant to dominate this year against a McLaren, even though it's a very difficult circuit, it's very impressive. Yeah, it was a sensational victory from Vastappen this time.

Yeah, I just thought that when obviously lost the lead, that the speed differences would allow Max to have another opportunity. And lo and behold, yeah, he got close and did a great move into turn one. As we said, you know, Lando did a brilliant move at the start to get ahead. But yeah, Max was just utterly unstoppable. I was watching his times and he was relentlessly consistent. If not just chipping another 10th off, another 10th off, another 10th off, there was no mistakes.

He put nearly 20 seconds on the McLaren's. The McLaren's that have been dominating this season, Yeah, it's a low downforce track. It is not, doesn't play into McLaren's strengths. But at the same time, it should not be understated what an incredible victory this was. This is almost, you know, driver ratings 11 out of 10. You know, again, we're bringing this up because it's such a, we both wrote him off coming into this. Nobody's got the best car by a mile.

Yeah. And those teammates was literally 13th and fighting for generally, like literally fighting for last. Yeah, it was at one minute and 20 seconds. Oh, he really got a lap, didn't it? Yeah, you saw him at the end. You saw him at the end, yeah. Yeah. But no, phenomenal from Max.

And we'll go to a question now from people on page, remember Pickle Nick. Should Red Bull feel confident going into Baku after this result? I think slightly confident that you look at Baku. Yes, there are definitely more breaking zones and 90 degree corners. But there's also a solid amount of straits and Red Bull clearly very efficient in the lower downforce tracks, as we saw with Monza. I'm not sure that Max will have the same edge. I think he will be around the McLaren's, perhaps even Charlotte.

No, but I'm not even going to talk about Ferrari right now. I think that Max will feel more confident going into Baku, I think, with this. I still have the tendency to believe that McLaren will be very, very strong around Baku. They are different tracks, as much as a massively long straight. I'm kind of talking and taking myself, talking myself out of Max being in contention to win.

I think McLaren have to be the favourites again, but we won't see the same for Stappen as we saw. In Hungary, for example, a massively high downforce track where he struggled massively. Yeah, agreed. I don't personally think as much as I'd love to be like, yeah, Red Bull are back, championship back on, Max is going to win all these races now. It was a circuit that while McLaren still finished second and third, on paper it's the kind of weaker track for McLaren because they're absolutely rapid and can just, you know, they've got unbelievable downforce in their car and have been able to, you know,

fly around these corners and be really quick, whereas Monza's not that kind of circuit, is it? And a very different circuit. So it was more that Max got that brilliant pole position, nailed the setup of his car, which we know with Red Bull is very, very important. much on a fine tune where he goes into Friday is calling it the worst car he's ever driven and then Saturday it's either the worst car he's ever driven on Saturday or he gets pole position which seems to be the trend this year but yeah I don't think I'm not going to sit here and say that and this is maybe pessimistic me speaking again but like there might be

another chance for him to win a Grand Prix, but I do think that it's an outlier rather than a fact that Red Bull are now the fastest, because they're just definitely not. Let's move to a question from P1. Petrie, remember, DAP-177. What happened to Charles speeding in the pit lane?

Well, he didn't. He must have not, unless it's another situation like 2019, where they just didn't want to give a penalty, Charlotte Monter. No, you were very nervous. You were convinced. You were convinced. You had your head in your hands. You were like, this is it. I can't believe it wasn't even investigated. Sorry, when you watch the replay, it looks like he's going

quicker as he's locking up over the speed limit line to when he then is rolling down the pits. So for me, I'm like, that's an absolute slam dunk. Has he somehow gone over a bit where the sensor hasn't kind of like triggered it? I do wonder if the locker. Delete. Yeah, maybe maybe him locking up, because obviously as he's locking up, he's unable to scrub as much speed off. He must have been lower than that. Maybe he'd... There's a very weird situation.

It's an odd pit lane. You're going in incredibly quick. We saw an very interesting moment with Fernando Alonzo and Bortoletto, where Bortoletto was very kind of cautious going into the pits, and Alonzo actually managed to overtake him in the pits, thanks to just attack him.

that pit exit. So maybe Shal was just fortunate that it looked worse on TV than it was and you assume that it was all in order but then in my opinions the stewards did make some very interesting calls today.

Yeah, I think with this one all jokes aside, Shal must have not been speeding. I reckon it was very close indeed. Any data to suggest that he was speeding and any other teams sees that. And he will because all the other teams would know and stuff. Yeah, and then it would be up in arms. So he must have just not sped, which is pretty good. That is a W. For Monsa and Ferrari fans.

Next question, Wilo Dazinu. Pirelli needs to go. Medium should not be able to do 52 out of 53 laps. It's embarrassing. So, do Pereli need to go? Happy 500 races, Pirelli. Yeah, I know. Happy 500 races. That was not my opinion. It was Wylos. But It's such, I know it must be such a difficult job for Porelli to create a safe tire, one that degrades, but doesn't degrade too much and degrade. I think maybe even the cars as well. Let's blame the cars a little bit. I don't know how we will blame the cars because I don't know the physics too well.

And it does change from race to race. I think, I think, look, we definitely could have tried the C4, C5, C6, which we have been testing a few races this year, the C6 tire. Perhaps there's a reason that they didn't go down that route, like in Parabolica, even though I swear it was called Curva Albarreto these days, but then everybody in commentary was just saying parabolic or something. I don't know what's happened there. I don't know.

They were like, nope, we don't like it. We go back to Parabolica. But maybe that's too high a speed corner for a C6. I'm not sure where they're going with the logic of not trying the softer tire at more tracks because there must be a, well, we don't want to risk it. And if we do and someone has a high speed crash because a C6 tire has a blowout, then all of a sudden we're questioning why did Pirelli bring the softest tires to Monza. So it's hard and it's just really annoying. It's really annoying to see drivers go the

entire race around Monza, but what are you expecting? It's Monza. Yeah, it's very true. I think Pirelli have been scarred by years gone by in 2013 at Silverstone when the tyres were blowing up. And you know, you've got to think that while it's tough, because I also am of the opinion that Pirelli need to bring back basically soft, softer tires and tires that maybe explode a little bit again and stuff like that, because it makes it more entertaining. But also at the end of the day, you know, Pirelli are there to advertise that they are a tire company. And as much as we love it and want to see degrading tires, when you are, the brand don't,

the brand don't want to be associated with. tires that fall off a cliff and explode and, you know, because it's not good for them. So they got brought in to basically do this job of, you know, allowing tire deck and stuff. And unfortunately, they're playing it too safe now because of what's kind of gone in years gone by. I am very much of the opinion that tires are the answer. We saw that in 2012, 2011, when they first got announced 2013. that you need that kind of offset in tire delta and things like that to allow overtaking that even when the cars are incredibly difficult to pass, you've got dirty air, things like that,

when you've got different tire life, that's when you get kind of good racing. And we saw that even at a track like Zandvort where it's difficult to pass that as soon as it kind of threw a curveball in the mix and people on different tires, that's when you saw a bit more overtaking and craziness. So I just think, I personally just think the answer is just to do this like softer tires and allow them to maybe do a mandatory two stop where I'm not, I know, scarred from Monaco and all this, but let them use all three compounds because it shouldn't be a case of like we've been off the soft. Yeah, you want that split of tyres. And I was going to say, look, it's easy to say, oh, we need an offset of tire, but there'll always be a strategy that works. the best and most of the time the teams will go down that route. You know, when start on the mediums, finish on the hards. So forcing a two-stop, is that the route

to go down, as you say. Monaco was a disaster, but that's because you can't overtake around there. At least with an offset around Monza, you can. So, yeah, I don't know. I still blame the cars mainly because it wouldn't matter if a Pirelli medium lasted 52 out of 53 laps if everyone was overtaking. It just wouldn't matter. So that's the next thing, though, if the cars can't overtake is that, okay, we need really degrading tires. The tires, I think, are the solution personally, but yeah, there's no doubt that these cars are pretty horrible, but then equally Monza. Their boats.

Monza's going to Monza with this, unfortunately. Yeah, what did we expect? And to be fair, we had an idea, didn't we? I can't remember what it was, of like, if we want to have more slipstream and more overtakes around Monza, then everyone needs to run a certain amount of downforce. Well, you could regulate. How do you measure that? Yeah, exactly.

You could regulate the fact that they're not. not allowed to use skinny wings anymore and I understand that would annoy a lot of people because people are like this is part of Formula One that you have different setups and it's a formula so like that's what it should be because I know that even when they were messing around with the cars to make better racing which did work in 2022 but certainly not not now there's a lot of complaints that that it was kind of like well we don't want Formula One to be a spec series but then equally when a team's 40 seconds up the road, we're all complaining. So, you know, that's just the way it goes.

I've swallowed a drink the wrong way down, so I'm currently trying to clear it out my lungs as we head to the next thing we're going to talk about, which is some racing incidents. First and foremost, we'll talk about Bearman versus Signs, which both of them were sent pirouetting around. This was a, you know, we're listening to commentary. I think we both watch it on Sky, don't we, Tommy? and I think they were suggesting that it was a racing incident.

Are they seemed convinced that it was science? They're almost going like, oh, they're investigating science for his penalty, but I actually think they made the right call on this. Yeah, they were both being investigated, weren't they? And for me, it's a bearman penalty every day of the week. He wasn't enough alongside to go for that move on signs. I mean, it's a pretty daring move anyway, isn't it, for Ollie to chuck it down the inside there?

Was it science overtaking? I need to check this. I'm pretty sure it was science overtaking Berman, but Berman just didn't back out. Or was it the other way around? I thought it was... So, Sines was ahead of Berman. Sines was ahead of Berman going to the next corner.

Signs overtook Berman yet, but then Sines is then the lead car. Sorry, yeah, it's the lead car, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so for me, and for the stewards, it's a Berman overtake. In fact, I think I've got the FIA document right here where it says, car 87 causing a collision.

So the stewards reviewed video and in-car video evidence. Car 55 attempted to overtake car 87 on the outside into turn four and had its front axle ahead of the front axle of Car 87 of the apex, therefore earning the right to the racing line. The driver of 87, Car 87 defended the position on the inside instead of giving up the position and caused the collision. The stewards determined that basically Olly Behrman is predominantly at fault and therefore the standard penalty for such incidents is applied.

Yeah. So that's how I saw it as well. that was a fair one, in my opinion. I think they made the right choice there. But then for me, I've watched this back. The Esteban-Lock-on one is an absolute joke that that's a penalty. I don't think that's a penalty at all. And obviously, of course, we'll mention Charlotte at Lecler at Monza.

And I know it's a very different, you know, because it was years ago. and just because that was potentially wrong in some people's eyes, not maths, of course, that it's incorrect, but I think a lot. I think Ocon's very unlucky there personally. He's squeezed him, but it's... I mean, by the letter of the law, though, like, Stroll is entitled to, as they're breaking into that next chican, stroll is easily halfway alongside. He's entitled to some room there and is right.

right front tire is on the dirt outside of the white line. So what can the stewards do there? Call that a racing incident, but why? But he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not halfway along side until he's breaking later and going for that gap. So I think it's tough on, I personally think it's tough on. I guess where they've maybe measured it though, because they don't they measure at the apex? And I guess when Lance is sideways is the closest thing to them being at the apex. But then this is where the, inconsistency lies because then you go back and watch the Lawson and Sonoda incident and Sonoda is squeezing Lawson and not letting him have any room and they both go off and

Lawson has to give the place back to Sonoda. So like, how is that not Yuki's fault based on what happened to Ocon? Like this is this is where the consistency is kind of annoy people I guess because I'm watching that and Yuki Sonoda has squeezed Lawson as much as he has, you know, as much as kind of Ocon has. And Ocon's got a penalty. But yeah, Yucon didn't stay on the track. Both of them cut the chican. Yeah.

So why would then, yeah, but then why would Sonoda have to be allowed to be let through again? Because Lawson's, yeah, Lawson's overtake. making Sonoda and Sonoda, one, has squeezed him and two, not stayed on the track himself. So how is that, how is that deemed that Sonoda has to let Lawson, sorry, Lawson has to let Sonoda back through. That's completely unfair on Lawson in my opinion. So I'm watching it once again, yeah. So Sonoda does allow the space just about. They both then cut the corner. I think the stewards will deem that as Lawson has not completed the move and therefore he has cut the corner in order to be ahead of Sonoda.

So I can see why they've called that decision, because Lawson has not completed the move. Yes, you could argue that there's been a squeeze and a tire bash. But has he left racing room, I guess, maybe. But he's not entitled. Lawson is, at the point of the apex, Lawson is not entitled to go round the outside of Sonoda there into the first part of the second chican.

So that's probably what the Stewart was here. But then why is Strull allowed to do that? Because Strong is... much more alongside if you actually do the freeze frame. I know that part of that is because he's out of control. But I'm not saying I agree with the racing rules, but this is what the racing rules are. This is where who'd want to be a steward because.

Yeah, because it is, it's debatable, right? It is, it's absolutely debatable. But they are different incidents. I think comparing them as like for like is not fair because stroll was pushed off the track. But yeah, plenty of incidents there. Let's now go to biggest winner. driver or team. So someone we crown to say congratulations. You have you have won P1 biggest winner of

the weekend. Max Verstappen is an absolute shout for this one. Yeah, it's one by long. He's won by 20 seconds or just just under against the, against the McLaren's. Alex Albin somehow getting seventh based on where he's a big winner and he's now ahead of Antonelli in the championship, which is what a season Alex Albin is having. What a season Alex Albin is having. Can't be said in him. That's crazy. That's absolutely crazy that he's ahead of Antonelli. Maybe he says more about Kimmy's season so far as well. I think he's both. Yeah, yeah. I mean Albon's having a, I can't believe he's finished seven. That is such a great result for him. Yeah. But I'm going for Max for Stap and biggest winner. Yeah, it's got to be Max. To beat. And McLaren nowadays is incredibly tough, never mind to beat

them by 20 seconds. Quite insane. And biggest loser Drive Raw team Let's see I think that I mean Hulkberg not even getting to race

is quite sad Yeah To pull into the pits With the hydraulics issue Before the race It even begun How do you even That must be so gutting

So they're like All right I don't get to race For another two weeks now Cheers Who else Can we throw in there I think Carlos

Is going to be fuming about His result Because Yeah He looked like He was ahead of Ahead of Albon

And it's not Comright for him had the collisions and things as well and just missing out on points. Yeah, he's going to be raging about that one. But I think maybe Alpine. I don't know, just like just I know there. Our tent in the constructors. I know they're already tensed, but that was that was such a case of like, wow, Alpine are just the worst car. They are. They are. They also, I think they came into this weekend saying that their car wasn't going to be great. I'm really glad I went for Colavinto points for my patron prediction really good.

Oh, it's difficult actually. Sonoda? Yeah, Sonoda nearly got lapped by by Max. That's not going to help his kind of, oh, he might stay at Red Bull, which I don't think you will, in being 13.

Or, I mean, Bearman maybe. Alonzo, actually, why am I talking about Alonzo? He got absolutely shafted. He really got points and got ahead of straw in the championship, but that's going to keep me up the night. All right. Unlike his driver in the world.

Your favorite driver literally won the race. so yeah, crime you a river. Let's now reflect on our prediction, shall we, that we made on Wednesday, to see how we did. It's currently 4140 to Mr Bellingham. A good surprise. I'm really glad I went for Liam Lawson, who finished 14th in the end. So that is a zero pointer. Indeed, and Carla Sites also had a bad race.

P-11 thought I thought I was on to this when he was third in both practice sessions on the Friday. I was like, lock it in now, but no. Alas not. A big flop. I went for Mercedes and sadly they didn't really, well, not sadly for them, but sadly for me, I don't get a point because Russell was fifth, Antonelli was eighth. And I went for Lance Stroll and he finished dead last. Well done Tommy, take the point. I hope you're happy. Let's go to poll position. I went for Oscar Piastri, which did not come true because Max Verstappen did some incredible things. And I went for Lande Norris, which he was very close, but of course didn't get it. Now to our top three. In third position, I went for

Charles Lecler. New. And I went for Lewis Hamilton. No. God, we are cooking this week. In second place, thankfully for the, due to the swap, I get Lando Norris P2.

It's a big, big change in the championship for this one, actually. Just Tommy, who did you say from? Because I went for Oscar Piastricht. Now, there's two things on this. McLaren favoritism for Matt Gallagher. Yeah, I see it. What?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not only am I fuming. about just the situation in general because yeah it's just ridiculous as i've mentioned in the first half an hour of this podcast second that the fact that it's screwed me and third my top five that we do on instagram would have been bang on if they'd stay where they were and instead screwed my my heart goes out to you i mean not that you would have got any points for that because that's just a banter prediction yeah true but um so yeah it's just shafted me in everywhere possible so you went for second piastri ha ha ha no points and then in first place i went for oscar piastri which was not correct

I went for Lando Norris, who finished head of his teammate, but didn't, of course, get the win. So no points for your top three, one point for me. We now go to one crazy prediction. I went for one of the top seven in the championship out in Q1. That did not happen. Can you imagine if Albin had gone out in Q1, and that would have actually come in because then he's now moved into the top seven. But no, he did not. And Williams double points I went for, and that was half a second off from being right.

That's yeah that's oh gosh wow yeah that would have been amazing if that would have that would have happened that way but no no points for either of us very close indeed Patreon prediction JP Falcon XR6 represented me and said colapinta in the points and that was not even close and also wasn't close was Patrick Straalat qualifies Alonzo which he hasn't he hasn't all year which is quite mad and it continues on it continues on so that is One point each, so it's the same. So we're still very close. One, yeah, but one point each.

One point each from all those predictions. We know things about Formula One. That's crazy from us. We need to lock in Babacu. Previous 50 minutes at this point. Yeah, exactly. We know nothing. We know nothing.

Family top three. It's currently 86, I believe. There's 85 in this shit. I'm pretty sure it's 86 to the Bellingham. Yes, it is actually. How dare you try and rig the results there. First and foremost, my girlfriend went for third place, Oscar Piestri. Oh, way.

Beautiful. That's worked out perfectly once again because that wouldn't have been third. No, Tommy. My dad went for Alex Alburn. Which at one point during Friday practice, I thought, my God, he's actually cooked here. In second place, Ellie went for Lecler,

which sadly did not happen. My dad went for Max Astapen, which I remember thinking, Max at Monza, no, don't see. Yeah, it was one too low. It was too low. And then finally, my gosh, Fernelli went for Lando Norris P1 and it did not happen.

My dad went for Pastri P1. So we are literally... 8.7. The Bellingham's one point ahead in the constructors and I'm one point ahead in the main one. That's crazy. This is going down to the wire, everybody. At least there's one or a championship going on in Formula 1, eh? Yeah, we love the aura in this championship.

But that's it. We're done. Thank you so much, everybody. But we're not done if you're a P1 Patreon. We'll use some extra chat right now. Patreon.com 4 slash Matt P1 Tommy. Come and join us for ad-free listening. You get early access to P1 live shows.

You get this extra waffle as well at the end of every race review, as well as other benefits, access to the Discord. And the list goes on. So we'd love to see you over there if you want to come and support the channel. Tommy, what are your final thoughts? Final thoughts are, thank you McLaren for giving us stuff to talk about. And actually, well, thank you, McLaren,

because they're going to give us plenty to talk about for the rest of the year. because I don't think we've seen the last of basically that decision. That decision is going to rumble on forever now. We'll go into Baku. We'll be talking about it again. And every single play in this world championship is going to basically be under the microscope now. So as it's fair, Tommy. As long as it's fair.

100% fair in every single way. Yes, exactly. Right. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in, watching, listening. It's been an absolute pleasure. We'll be back, of course, in a couple of weeks' time for Baku. Plenty of race review content coming next week. And we've also got another Alex Albon, juicy bit of content coming out for you, I think, next week.

So look forward to that. We will see you very soon. Lots of love. Take care. Bye. Goodbye. B1 is a Stack production and part of the Acast Creator Network.