P1 with Matt and Tommy - Our honest thoughts on Drive to Survive: Season 8

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the P1 podcast with Matt and Tommy. It's Drive to Survive edition. Season 8. Season 8, Tommy. I remember when it first came out. I sound so old. But we have been there throughout the entirety of, well, the Drive to Survive seasons, the F1 seasons.

And we're well into just knowing what Drive to Survive is all about. So we're doing, as always, our thoughts on. what we thought of DTS, how we felt it landed, some questions from you guys, how you feeling about it? I'm feeling good. Yeah, we've watched all eight episodes, not 10 this year, which I'm sure we'll get into, which is quite interesting. And yeah, excited to dive into it because I've certainly got some opinions on it, which is, I'm sure, going to be lovely. We love Tommy opinions. I've also got opinions as well.

And right, Of course. So we, you might be wondering, we've had an early preview and seen all of the episodes already. So if you're, if you haven't watched it yet,

you know, we'll try and not spoil things. Yeah, we're not going to go play by play the entire episodes of everything. But we'll try not spoil things, but also Landon Norris is world champion. So really sorry about that.

Oh, the people that save it to watch it later. The fact there are actually people out there that don't watch the real season so that they don't get spoiled for Drive to Survive is one way of watching it for sure. So let's start where we will always begin. Was it any good? That's the question. Everybody wants to know. Was DTS season eight worth it? Look, how I am going to answer this question is that

I am, I always enjoy Drive to Survive to a base level because I love Formula One. And my, because everybody watches it differently, right, depending on how much you watch Formula One, how much you love it, how much you want to know about it. For me, I watch DTS because I I want the behind the scene stuff. I want the things I haven't seen. I enjoyed it to a level. Yes. Did I think it was one of the best seasons that they've done?

No. I think that the eight episodes I would have liked to have had 10. I don't know. I feel like eight was like, oh, it's over. Oh, the seasons. Because they've done 10 episodes. I'm pretty sure every season. Every season, yeah, I believe.

Yeah. So they didn't do that then. I would say if you're a Formula One fan, yes, it is worth watching. I think that's probably a better. probably a better question rather than is it any good because you can it depends on what you're trying to get from it as to whether you enjoy it or not there are storylines that we'll talk about with some of the questions that that I did enjoy but I didn't come away from it going that is the best season ever it was just kind of like cool drive to survive done and dusted

I had a similar opinion but maybe a bit worse that I found it quite meh actually to be honest. The last two seasons of Drive to Survive, I feel like we've done this question. Was it any good? And I came away thinking, like, that was a really good season. I really enjoyed it. And there's always that level of Drive to Survive where once you become a bit more of a hardcore fan, it's kind of like cool to hate, isn't it? And I don't need Drive to Survive anymore. It's not very good. By the way, it's not cool to hate Drive to Survive. It's not. It's a product that I would have absolutely bent over backwards for when I was growing up watching F1. 100% and I think the last two seasons have been great.

However, this one just wasn't really feeling it. I felt, I think the biggest thing for me is, I'm an old school fan and I like the drivers. And for me, this was like the team principal show. That was my biggest takeaway from it. And there'll be people that like that because, you know, we all know that what DTS did so well was bringing these characters that, characters, but like people in the palette that you'd never seen before,

you've Gunther Steiner's and allowed like the dynamic between Toto Wolf and Christian Horner. They lean into that so much that for me it was just like it was the team principal show. It should have been called like managing to survive rather than drive to survive because it I came away from it and I was like, wow, this is this is very very, very, very team principal heavy. That was my kind of takeaway from it. And I'm just not really, that's just not really for me. Like I've never really been interested in that side of the sport. And again, it comes back to my point of what you watch Drive to Survive for.

But yeah, I guess with having more team principles, you don't get maybe the same sort of feeling from it. Because, of course, you know, you want to have the POV from the drivers themselves, not the team principles telling you how the drivers were and things like that. So, yeah, it's definitely a different approach. Let's get in some questions. P1PATRIM member, Piper MZ mimic X. What storylines did they do well? and which were done poorly?

So I think what they did well, I'll start with the positive, and maybe the only episode, I've kind of got back to a negative, but the only episode that I think was a very strong one and was like, I actually thought this was a good one, really enjoyed it, was episode seven where they covered the disqualification in Vegas,

and I think that's exactly what I want from Drive to Survive, where it needs to capture the season, of course, but I want it to show more behind the scenes and things, and I think they did a really good job of capturing the drama of that moment. Of course, it was very surprise, you know, no surprise from what I've said earlier, Team Principal Heavy. There's a lot of Zach Brown. I had to check at the end that he wasn't a producer

because of the amount of Zach Brown is in it. But it was really fascinating to see, like, you know, essentially a camera on the pit wall. wall and they covered the drama of that. They're following them in the paddock as they're panicking, things like that. That is everything I want to see because I'm seeing a new angle and a new approach for a piece of drama and it's real drama. Like that was a hugely dramatic moment in the season.

You don't need to script it. You don't need to pretend that it's not this insanely dramatic thing because it was absolutely freaking insane. You saw what our reaction was when we would live streaming and saw the news. So that I think they did incredibly well. In terms of poorly, one thing that I think that I thought was the most poor episode was, and they always do it and they always want to have a different episode where they do different things, was the one where they covered Nika Holkenberg's podium,

but it was more focused around a battle between Alpine and Steak Kixalba. and they love to do this. It reminds me of there was that one season where they did like a Yuki Sonoda Ocon rivalry and you were like, why is that what, like, and what I found disappointing was the emotion of Nika Holcombberg's podium was this incredible thing

where this guy has been like ridiculed and ridiculed for like never getting a podium. And rather than framing it around the fact that Nikolkirk's never got a podium, like, wow, he's going to do it. showing clips from 2012 where he crashed the Force India when he was going to do it and give that context to the viewer and really like dive into why this is such a magic moment and instead it was framed around the fact that it was good points against Alpine in the championship and I was like

that that for me really missed the mark and I think that that for me was one of the most disappointing ways they covered it so there's good and bad I think from the episode Yeah, for sure. I will continue on, as you were saying, the poor moment. Yeah, that the Holkenberg thing stood out as not being framed correctly. I completely agree. That was one of the biggest storylines in Formula One. The fact that Holkenberg was the longest, you know, appearance, race appearances, race starts of anybody. And the fact that he was able to do it in a wet silverstone from 19th on the grid, that deserved an entire episode just full. focused on that like they they could have gone back into the archives and and and sort of you know showed what he's been through the moments that were you know so close yet so far see yeah I did feel like a bit underserved by by that whole narrative I mean again it's the team principal show because it was all like oh Flavio he's crazy isn't he like what a character yeah yeah and I'm not a fan of

Flavio and what he stands for and what he's done previously and I can't believe he's even back in the sport That is a stance I will always have when it comes to that. So I'll get onto him shortly because there is something that I wanted to say about that. Something else was the sit down with Zach Brown and Oscar Piastri. It might well have been, you know, I think Oscar Piastri might have been held at gunpoint to film that entire interaction. But it was such a weird thing, like, of what the actual reality is that we all know that Zach Brown loves Lando. There is no denying that

And yet it was Zach and Oscar that were sat I don't know It just felt the wildest narrative Like so like yeah We mentioned about like going into the episodes But just have to cover this one For them to frame a whole episode Which makes it look like

They did the right thing in the fact that They split up Lando's championship battle Into two sections Because of course they have to cover the bad stuff At the start of the season Because he did have an incredibly poor Start to the season and he had the crashes and things

and it wasn't going well but for them to frame it like it like almost having these shots where like Landos were really down in the dumps and they like cut to it's almost like the meme with the swimming pool where they're holding the baby up and it's Zach Brown with Oscar Piastri

and it's like that is not the narrative of the season at all like that it's the opposite you know they are they are a team that have kind of you know allowed both their drivers to race through thick and thin. But one of the biggest takeaways of the season was the fact that Lando obviously got like the rubber the green and Zach Brown support like is what wants to see Lando and they're

really good mates. So for them to frame it in the complete opposite narrative kind of like it's a very weird one. Like I feel like they got like the social commentary of that like completely wrong. Yeah, but I'm going to do some positives as well because it wasn't horrendous. No, by any stretch. Some things I did enjoy, or not enjoy. I didn't actually enjoy this at all, but I thought it was good. Was the Jack Dewan story, I think that they captured that quite well. They obviously spoke to him afterwards. And yeah, you kind of were tugged on the heartstrings a bit by the whole Jack Dewan story.

And kind of getting that behind the scenes of him clearly so unbelievably frustrated with what was going on. So I felt like I got a good picture of what was going down in Jack Dewan's life as much as it was a tough watch. and then also, yeah, I agree with the Vegas thing, the fact that they were able to capture the do they always check that Zach Brown asked when it came to the floor and they knew they were in trouble with the floor and I don't know, I've sat there going, Zach Brown just check, is he asking whether or not

his car's going to get checked because he knows it's illegal? Like it's that sort of stuff where you're like, I shouldn't really be, I'm literally a fly on the wall right now. They even break that one of going, Netflix are filming behind by the way. Yeah, they were like, shut up, Zach. Shut up. And speaking of Zach, I will say one against slight negative is the fact that, I mean, look, he's very corny. We all know that, right?

And you can either love him or hate him. But the meal that he hosted and the fact that he was like, oh, the king sits down last and all this sort of stuff. I was like, ah! Oh, my God. This hurts. This hurts so much to watch. But yeah, I don't know. I don't think there's many people that would have found.

that kind of content enlightening in my opinion no i know what you mean that the moments and this this is the problem we're going to get into this later with a question but i just kind of like tease it a little bit is is the fact that it is that drive-s survive thing of like now they're more conscious of it like like it's sack brown knowing the netflix are with him he's like really like you know it's him as him him being himself but almost like an even more extreme version of himself and doing the like chest bumps and all they're like woo i'm zach brown yeah baby um and that that because he knows netflix is filming and it's almost like played up even more um but i do i do genuinely think like episode seven with the dsq in vegas that is exactly what i want to see from from drive to

survive is sharing the the narrative because this is i think a lot of formula one fans and i've always said that you know, the real sport is so dramatic. You don't need to make anything up because, like, or just like do these crazy narratives because my word, like what a dramatic season it was. And if we're talking about improvements, I think we'll just carry on. I think another thing was the lack of Charlotte Clare.

They've clearly had interviews with him. They used him like twice. It felt I didn't really hear much at all, despite that. And what was, I literally had another improvement that was absolutely just disappeared from my brain. While you're thinking of that, people that weren't in it, which was a surprise. Aston Martin barely mentioned, I guess they're saving it for next year, which could be very interesting,

based on what we know now about Aston Martin. Hasse, nothing really from those guys. And yeah, Charlotte-Clair just barely got a mention, which I'm sure was probably the most disappointing thing for you. Yeah, it was gutting. It was absolutely gutting. Whenever it comes back, I will continue. But let's go to the next question from P1Pet. Remember, J-Dog, did they do the season just? dis.

So first and foremost, it was a bit of shame that they only did eight episodes because we always joke about the fact that, oh, you don't know how to,

how are they going to fit it into 10 episodes and things like that? And then it's eight episodes. They didn't really cover Hamilton struggles at Ferrari. You know, he's had the worst season of his life.

And at the end, at the end, they had the, I love that they included the team radio in Abu Dhabi where Hamilton's like, I'll always fight for you guys, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But then cut the bit where he goes,

guys, so wait, wait, you're not, this is the one time you don't reply, and sort of tried to turn it around to a positive, which obviously it wasn't. It was terrible. They didn't cover Hajjar's podium, which I thought was another big moment. But then, you know, we spoke to Tom Rogers previously, didn't we? And he kind of said that they build stories to potentially include later on. And obviously they've taken the decision to not include that. But then I felt as though it was quite a natural thing.

to include because they were like we've got six rookies this then and the other they even showed the Hajjar Formation Lap Crash so for me the Hajjar Formation Lap Crash to Hadjar Podium is like such an easy storyline to be able to

link together and have that as a ninth episode or a 10th episode but I don't know what you mean a bit of a missed thing there it's a tough balance though isn't it because at the end of the day and this is this is kind of a double it's like the double-edged sword really of drive to survive is it's not a season review so you're disappointed but it does sort of feel like it so you kind of need the context of the season in there

we can't say it's not a season review when we watch it and they review the season to a lot of to yeah exactly so so there will always be some stuff missed because we want to see the the kind of drama of the season we want to see as much behind-the-scenes stuff so they do need to frame the people that they've been capturing, but there's plenty there from like, you know, Jack Dewan's story or whatever, whereas I think some of the episodes, like you mentioned,

like they didn't really cover the Hamilton struggles, which I think was such a big story. I find it weird that they almost made William seem like they're having a really tough season when actually they were really, really good. That was quite odd. And in terms of like the justice of the season, I think they maybe had it a little bit of a weird one,

where we think that having a good championship fight makes for a better drive to survive and actually it doesn't because you don't they didn't and because they have to cover everything. So you've had, as someone that's already watched the season, you go, oh, drive to survive is going to be epic because you had three drivers going to the final race and then you sat there watching like what a crazy battle between Holcomburg and Ghazley and Silverstone. And that's the balance of it. And I don't think sometimes they really set up, you know, just how incredible this story was about the fact that Max Verstappen was fighting back. And of course I'm going to say that as a Max fan.

I want to see it as much as possible. But like it was more kind of like all thrown into the episode at the end basically. Well, by the way, it's 100 points behind. He's done. Yeah, yeah. It did feel like just covering off what happened in the championship. But also it's very hard to develop a Vastappan storyline when he doesn't participate in the DTS stuff. All they're doing is capturing stuff that he's said.

radios and things. I remembered now what I was quite gutted that they didn't include, which they did last year, which I thought was excellent, was basically giving a camera to the drivers. That was awesome behind the scenes stuff that, again, it's because of that's what I watched ETS for.

I loved that kind of stuff, taking them on the road and then being silly and this sort of stuff. And making it about the drivers. Completely agree. This year is team principal era. I don't watch Formula One for the team principal. I don't. Yes, they have become figures in their own right, but that's not what I watch it for.

So, yeah, I was a bit sad that they didn't include that because, again, that's kind of what I watch Formula One. They went down the social media approach instead, occasionally and through to some podcasters and stuff. Well, something I really loved. Well, actually, I didn't like it that much. Tommy got included three times. Four, actually. Was it four? Yeah, yeah. One absolute display. Two back to back as well, randomly. I was included for, I think five. words but I was wearing the P1 Beanie so good branding.

Thanks for including us DTS. But yeah, I mean, forget it's the flipping team principal show. It's the Tom Bellingham show. I literally couldn't believe within like 30 seconds

of watching the first episode. This guy just pops up with a bit of analysis. I'm like, my goodness gracious me. No, it was absolutely awesome to be included in DTS

in any form. So I'm surprised you, you don't even be able to leave your house now without signing autographs. Yeah, I was going to say, come on, come on guys. At least eight times I want to appear next year.

Well, more than once for me, please. That'd be great, thanks. No, it was, that was an interesting style, obviously joking aside the fact that they included us, which was great, is to kind of capture that fan side of it. Because, and maybe this is just because we are in our own bubble and stuff, but we've obviously,

it's been cool to be included in that match for stuff and documentary and I do think like those live reactions from fans like us and other people as well that included like pondering in it and there's there's obviously loads of creators making these things is a really cool way to like capture like just how dramatic these moments are yeah yeah for sure um yeah i liked it obviously a bit biased because we got included but it does it does kind of paint the picture of yeah the reaction it's a social media sport like it's a it's a sport with so much commentary and it's about the fans. So to include those fans and what

they think. And I think it was a really interesting angle to like show the kind of memes and things about what's going on about oh, Lando's not having this great season and then he obviously turns it around and that's the storylines that you want to see and I think that the kind of

social commentary tells that quite quite well. So I'm glad they include it. It's a drive to survive season 9, P1 with Matt and Tommy reaction videos. Just use that clip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect. Okay, let's go to a question from Kieran F321. Was it surprising how they handled the Horner situation? So there's no surprise that Christian Horner has included quite a lot.

Of course, he is one of the stars of the show and has kind of made this villain. It was kind of done in a way to sort of like you feel sorry for him. It felt like they maybe didn't address the elephant in the room a lot of the time about why he was being dropped. You know, they kind of, they pushed a lot of the narrative around the, in my opinion, maybe it's just, I'm looking at it from a Vestappan fan, but they pushed the narrative quite a lot of how it's like the Vestappans were like this Draco and Lucius Malfoy characters that pushed him out and they're kind of the bad guys and not really saying too much about,

like, you know, the performance weren't great and also the previous allegations that they obviously went into in the last season, they kind of don't really mention at all. But it was an interesting thing to see a bit of behind the scenes about, you know, when he was watching it on TV and stuff for the first time out of Team Principal and he has to listen to the commentary and whatever. But again, with the, I felt this about Gunther Steiner, you know, it was a funny guy and it was great when it happened but after eight seasons it's kind of like can we just move on to someone else and show someone else because there's so many great characters up and down the paddock and in a weird way I think it might actually help the season that they can focus on new characters now

rather than just doing the Horner episode all the time or the gunthersteiner episode all the time i'll be absolutely gutted to not see the drone flying over his farm you know one final time that would be uh look at my house i am not surprised in the slightest the send-off they gave Christian Horner. Because as you say, he's been the villain in the show since the start. And I think DTS have a lot to kind of, they probably feel like they owe him stuff because they've created this massive narrative, the Toto versus Christian war that was going on. But yeah, they didn't really, they'd obviously covered it, as you say, in the previous season,

the allegations. And then coming into this one, it's just Horner's side of the story, isn't it? That's what we get. We don't get any other balancing neutral view. It's just Horner saying he's been robbed and things like that. But honestly, I was going to say. Red Bull got really good after he left and he won the championship. I wasn't going to, I was going to say,

oh, this is Horner's last appearance on the show, but it's absolutely not. He's going to be back in Formula One somehow. Looks like maybe with Alpine or buying the team or whatever. You can already hear, you can already watch. See the shot, slowmo, him walking into the paddock in an Alpine shirt with electric guitar music playing Dan and it's like

he's back. Yeah, I literally drive to five season nine we've written it already. Yeah, we absolutely have. Let's go to a question from David Docherty 8. Do they go into Landau's journey a bit more? They do, they kind of harked back to his

carting days and they do create quite a nice, I would say, narrative around where he started and where he ended up. It's always interesting. Again, this was a positive, was hearing from Lando, hearing him be, quite honest, I would say, about his emotions, about him absolutely bricking it going into the final

race and things like that. So I did enjoy the, yeah, the insight into Landau's mind a little bit. Oscar, of course, as well. So I would say from the drivers we heard from, the McLaren drivers were the most interesting because, of course, they're fighting for the championship. So yeah, there was probably not enough, I would say, into Landau's journey. There was like the occasional behind the scenes of him in a hotel, which lasted for about 10 seconds than him leaving the room. And then it was back to Zach Brown. Yeah, then it was back to Zach Brown. So I would have liked more for sure.

I was left definitely feeling like didn't get as much BTS from Lando as maybe we would have wanted. But then, you know, they may well be hamstrung by how much McLaren and Lando are willing to give them. Exactly. It's so tough because we can sit here and say, I wish they'd included more of that, but they might not. and the drivers it's only you know you mentioned about master stappen and how he doesn't want to be there and he doesn't want to be included in it so they can't they can only do so much uh with it and i actually think lando's parts in the show are actually some of the most interesting parts because he's a very honest real human being and he's we all know that he's not afraid to have those moments

where say at the start of the season when it wasn't going well for him he's very hard on himself and he's saying that I'm not performing and this sucks and all this kind of stuff and you're going to get a very real kind of moment about someone's season and it would have been great to see more of it but maybe they just don't film it now and that's why they have to do 90% of the episode is Zach Brown weeping and hollering because this is what I'd love to see more of and yeah they threw in a little montage at the end of course but yeah it's hard this is the difficult thing with how they balance it when we won't know how willing drivers are to do it.

Like some clearly really want to be in it. Some now I just don't care anymore. And we'll never know because we don't have the hours and hours of footage to look through and go, oh, why didn't you include this? Why didn't include that? Because, yeah, they can only do what they can. We would love to, though, so please send us the files. Oh, yeah, please.

Question from P1 member Bex P. How much longer can drive to survive stay relevant? It's difficult because I do find that one of the biggest disappointments of this season is that it feels more performative. And when I look back at the best moments of Drive to Survive, when it's Magnuson slamming the door or Guntherstein or on his phone, it's them with a camera like capturing these moments that they didn't know they're on film. whereas now it's kind of like, okay, George, go on a yacht with your girlfriend and can you please start talking about Maxa Stappen? And it's almost like they're pushing these drivers to say things.

And that is what I am less excited by because I think there are actually some quite cringe moments, particularly with like Toto and George where they're like so aware they're on camera and so aware it's DTS, that it just doesn't feel natural or real at all. And it's so true. I would liken it to like, I don't watch them often, but reality dating shows where a couple will go on a yacht and then they'll talk about their relationship and stuff. And it's like you know that the entire thing has been set up. Yeah, 100% because it is that way of doing it. Like you can tell it's done where I don't know, on these reality TV shows, a couple might have an argument and they can't be filming them 24-7. So they go, okay, can you now get in a room and recreate this argument? for us in front of camera or talk about this argument and that's what it feels like with DTS

where you're having these moments and that is my biggest gripe with the new season is because their focus on the team principals so much they just they love it they love being the stars and it just like inflates their kind of egos I guess and they want to be the stars of it and they just play up so much to the cameras

because they're like that they're even more extreme personalities because they're in the spotlight. I would argue with this that it's as much on the teams as it is on DTS that it's become this. Like they are so aware of the cameras and the microphone arm and, you know, you see it in the series, which I feel like is almost a nod by, you know, box to box films, the guys that make it, that they are being restricted because they're not saying anything anymore in the paddock.

They're not slamming the doors because they know they're, filming going on. So like, I don't know, it's a, it's an interesting conversation to have, right? Where you can't tell teams to relax because they're not going to. But also the existence of this series relies on the real moments. And yes, Drive to Survive has probably served its purpose from a Formula One business perspective of bringing a heap ton of fans in. But I also think it is quite important to continue on as well.

and to be on the front page of Netflix and in front of so many different people that don't watch the sport year in, year out, I think it's still a really important series that if it was binned off, I don't think it would be a good thing for Formula One. No, it wouldn't. For all the negative stuff and bits we don't like about it,

like we don't want it to disappear. It's a great addition, isn't it, to the sport and watching more stuff before the season starts? Yeah, so I'm not sure what the answer is here. because teams are aware now. It's tough. That is the problem. It's like they've broken the fourth wall, haven't they almost?

Exactly. So it's a shame. It is a real shame. But that is the byproduct of teams being aware of, oh, okay, so actually now you're always being interviewed. No matter where you are, you have to act like you're being interviewed. So it's a shame. It's a shame.

But this is where, I think, from a DTS standpoint, they now need to figure out what the series is going to look like with these obstacles in front of. of them because there are ways there was a way around it last year with giving the the driver's cameras and stuff like that and just showing them being silly and showing another side to them because it's real that's what we said like you you agreed with me that like one of the i mean the best moments of the whole thing was when they're chasing McLaren down the paddock because there's this huge drama going on and in a situation like that they've got the cameras there they can film it and they can follow this this team and all this drama happening that in the

those moments, the team principals can't afford to go, okay, let's now go to a studio and do a perfectly set up shot of me talking about it because it's real. And it kind of needs to be more, it needs to be more like real of those kind of captured moments. But as you say, there's only so much you can do that when it's kind of like, oh, Netflix are here. Oh, careful. Netflix are filming or whatever and they're not going to say these crazy things because that's what made, the first season so great when you had like Gunther Steiner on a phone and and talking because that wasn't him going, okay Netflix, I'm now going to phone and pretend that I'm speaking to my boss or whatever. It's how they do it. And it's tough. Like it's not easy. It's it's not an easy thing. We spoke to Tom, the producer last year about it and which shows it's not an easy thing. and we're very aware of it when we make these criticisms because... Yeah, it's not easy, but the problem is the benchmark is so high from previous seasons that it can't just, yeah, sort of slowly go down because, yeah, people will expect the best.

And yeah, look, it was, as I say, to round up, I will always enjoy it on a base level because more Formula One is a good thing for me. But yeah, there are things that need to be improved with the series and making sure that the narratives and the storylines make sense. As I say, the Holcombberg thing was the most disappointing one for me. Tell me what are your final thoughts? Final thoughts are that as much as it is a great thing, I'm looking forward to the fact that we'll have racing back.

And yeah, it's really exciting that DTS, as much as exciting to have a DTS season, it also means that basically Formula One is very, very, very, very nearly back. And my word, I'm so excited for it. Absolutely. Thank you everybody for watching. We really appreciate you as always. And yeah, that is it. We'll see you very soon. Also love, take care. Bye. Bye. Goodbye.