P1 with Matt and Tommy - Qatar GP Race Review

Episode Date: December 1, 2024

We were in for quite a dull race over in Qatar - but thankfully a rogue wing mirror and some FIA incompetence threw up enough controversy to spark one of our longest race reviews of the season! Join us for our End of Season tour across the UK this December! There are still some tickets available for London, Manchester, Birmingham and Bristol right here!Sign up to our Patreon here! You'll get access to bonus episodes, our classic race podcast series, every P1 episode ad-free, early access to live tickets and merch, and access to our Discord server where you can chat with other F1 fans!Follow us on socials! You can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Twitch, YouTube and TikTok. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello everybody and welcome back to the P1 podcast with Matt and Tommy. It's time to get down to business. Okay, we thought this might well have been a very dull race review. Qatar, main race wasn't really delivering. You have one overtaking spot and it wasn't really doing much of that. However, Thomas Bellingham, I've heard some rumours that you're riled up. I am always ready for a Tommy just Tommy just unloading. Wow, that's your sentence.

What's that. No, your frustration. Are we still on Twitch? And letting your frustration with the FIA in particular, how are you feeling in general before we dive into all of that? Well, yes. Even though Mattes of Tappen has won the race brilliantly, of course, I have a lot of pent up energy and anger about what was unfolding in that race. So, yeah, looking forward to diving into it, because certainly give us a lot of talking points. It certainly has.

Now, before we dive into all of that, you can actually see Tommy's pent-up frustration in real life in a couple of weeks' time where we do our UK tour. So we have five venues. One of them sold out Edinburgh. Sorry about that. But the other four, Bristol, Birmingham. No. Yes, that's correct, isn't it? London, Edinburgh and Manchester.

Got it. Correct. I always forget the five. It's mad. But if you want to get your tickets, it's an amazing little Christmas ending celebration vibe. Celebrate at the end of the season and prices to be won. Audience interaction, all that good stuff. We have a lot of fun. We'd love to see you there. Head to TegEurope.org.com.com. Head to the link. Head to our socials. There'll be a link in the description of this podcast on audio, YouTube, all that good stuff. Lovely. Right. It's time to get down to Siri. business, Thomas Bellingham. I don't know why I'm calling you by your full name, but I feel like it's a serious matter.

It's about to get serious, yeah. Yeah, what is your most memorable moment? And I wonder. Yes, what could it be? It is, of course, the FIA clown show. And I don't think it could have got any worse than some of the decisions and things that have happened this year. But boy, did it get worse.

And the thing that always frustrates me about what happens with race direction and these things is when you can see something as clear as day yourself on TV as a fan and the FAA and the race directors are the ones that should have all the angles and more information than we have at home to be able to make decisions on things. So what I cannot excuse is of course we're talking about Alex Albin's wing mirror flying off and appearing on the track and if you watch back our Twitch or anyone that watched our Twitch. You could see immediately, both of us were going, they need a VSC for that, because as soon as someone goes off the racing line or even overtaking, they're yeating over that,

they're going to cause a load of debris. And you could see it as clear as day, the whole scenario of what's going to happen. So what I don't understand is it's not like that happened at a weird part of the track where there's no cameras or we didn't see it on TV ourselves. And they maybe have like an excuse where they can go, oh, well, we didn't have that. information and we couldn't tell it was going to happen. It was so clear that that was going to happen to the point where the camera operator not only zooms in on the wing to go, here it is, here's the wing mirror on the track, but then when Bottas moves out off the racing line, the camera operator is ready to go

and knows it's going to happen and follows Bottas' car all the way to the most predictable thing of him driving over it, obliterating it. and then, you know, the punctures that follow, which was always going to happen. And we're actually very lucky that Hamilton and Sites just had punctures when they were going around the track and could kind of go around at a controlled manner. Because if they're tired exploded at 200 miles an hour because of that and gone into the wall, they've got a lot to answer for anyway, but it could have been even worse. And I know that's an extreme circumstance.

But the thing is here, it could have been completely. avoided. And it's just a joke. And, you know, they've changed race directors again towards the end of the season, which was meant to make things better. And it's just getting worse. It's just getting embarrassing now. Really embarrassing. It's absolutely inexcusable, in my opinion. It's clear as day, the decision and the process that needs to happen for a loose wing mirror off the racing line. They, they were. flying yellow flags because of it. They knew it was there.

Why on God's green earth do we have the virtual safety car if we can't deploy it at a moment's notice? That is the whole point. Literally the point of it. Is to neutralise, slow down the cars and get rid of things such as a wing mirror.

Now, Qatar is such a stressful circuit for the cars and for the tires in particular. They were at the end of their stints of those medium tires. tell they were going a very long time. This is just an extreme example, but also it was what played out in front of us. They're on like 35 lap old mediums. We saw, I think, serrated curbs previously give punctures around Qatar. This had debris and the process as well of just, firstly, not dealing with the wing mirror. And then from my understanding, thinking, well, the wing mirror has now been

yeated. No problems now. We're all good. Yeah, we're all good to go. Like, there's, we just, we've watched Botas and the debris just go everywhere after smashing that wingware and they've gone carry on racing

that's what we want to see. They've then seen also two cars with punctures and gone carry on racing for a bit longer. Yeah and then

eventually went I think we need a safety car. I think we need a safety car things are getting slightly out of hand. That should have them four laps prior I don't know

why they were scared are they scared because they think it's going to change the complexion of the race because they shouldn't have been because the only person

it would have effed over was George Russell Now, I think George Russell was already getting some kind of narrative by the fact that he gained pole position with one of the most BS penalties I've seen for Max Verstappen being given a one-place grid penalty for blocking another driver on an outlap. Never in a million years have we ever seen that. But then on top of that, this moment where you go, well, why are they not throwing a VSC? If they're so scared, but they shouldn't be scared to change the complexion of the race anyway. But that's the only reason I can think of why they weren't wanting to throw it. Why else would they not want to get rid of something that is potentially dangerous? to drivers that are going around this circuit over 200 miles an hour. Or the race director had gone to the toilet at that point and went back and went, oh, wow, what have I missed? Guys, I thought, I thought, I said for you guys to take the lead whilst I'm gone. When you're watching, I know the race was not the greatest of the start, but did everyone fall asleep?

Oh, you guys are still looking at an instant from three weeks ago that we said noted. Oh, that's why. Oh, well, ironically, the Piastri did something on the, not even on the way to the grid, and that is being investigated after the race when it's happened before the race. Has it happened yet? Has it done? No, no, we're not a decision yet.

So we still haven't heard about that, and it was literally him attacking the pit lane entry line on the grid, on the grid. But it wasn't even on the grid. It was like that was literally the lap, yeah. Anyway, it was the procedure beforehand. And it's like noted, we're a bit busy at the moment. We'll get back to you.

Even some of the decisions. I mean, Hamilton's jump start took forward. 14 laps for them to decide that it was a penalty. They're just so indecisive and we need clear decisions being made. I think the thing that annoyed me most about this is just the fact that it played out before our eyes. When everyone at home can see that's going to happen, how can the experts not get it, experts and not get it right? They're paid to do the job.

They're paid to do the job when every fan can see it at home. exactly how this is going to how this is going to play out basically and it's an absolute joke you know after Abu Dhabi 2021 and everything that went on there they even said that in 2022 they'd have you know race directors and things explaining their decisions properly and I'd love to know why they're gonna you know why they didn't decide to throw the VFC immediately because the VSC was the safest and easiest option. It's literally there to neutralise the race.

So they don't even have to worry that it's going to screw anyone over or anything. So it's just an absolute joke. I mean, that probably, it can still screw people's races. Yeah, but very minimal. If that's what they're scared about. But yeah, it's utterly ridiculous, to be honest with you. As I think you mentioned, Tommy, like it could have been a lot worse. Thankfully it wasn't.

We had a couple of punctures. still changed driver's races but it was so easily avoided the fact that they were covering it with yellow flags shows that they knew it was there they can't even fall back on the excuse of well we didn't really see it also were they going to do that for the entire rest of the race

because it's the only overtaking spot what did they think was going to happen with not doing a VSC that suddenly it would just disappear and well it did because Bottas ran over it but how did they think that was going to happen any other way I'd love to know.

I'd love to know. So you're never getting, you're never getting a moment on a track like that anyway and this should even be a thing that they should even consider because it's putting Marshall's lives at danger is that you're never going to get a gap big enough

on a track like Qatar with 20 cars circulating that you're going to be able to pick up that debris anyway. So the VFC was the easiest decision I think literally put, I think you put 99% at Formula One fans in the race director's box and they would have press the VSE button there. Easiest day.

Yes, they would have. Let's go to the first question. P1, Patreon member, Nublets. If the drivers wanted to, could they? And do you think they would? Stand in solidarity and not drive until changes are made with the FIA. The drivers could.

We've seen in the past drivers a long, long time ago. Have a strike, take a stand against the championship. I don't think we're, at that stage personally. I don't think we get to Abu Dhabi. But there's clearly a lot of unrest in the FIA. We see it. There's been a huge amount of firings within there. There's no stability. We're getting changes of race director. They're putting out a statement saying that he's left, Neil's Vittish has left. Thanks so much for all of his hard work. Neal's Vichich is saying, I've actually been fired. And it's even these kind of messaging is showing that we're not getting the

truth. We're never going to get the truth. Let's be real here. There's going to be a lot of things going on behind the scenes. But with races like this as well to follow up all of the chaos, because you could, you could look at it and go, oh, you know, loads of people have been fired, but at least we've been having pretty reasonable races. But that was a case of just not understanding, in my opinion, what, what Formula One race direction is. And of course, there's questions around the penalties, but that's more to do with the stewards. So, remember. remember there's difference between the race direction and the actual stewards and the handing out of the penalties and we'll get onto the likes of Landau's penalty and of course maybe dive in a little bit more to do with Max's one one place penalty as well. But in terms of the race direction, it's so weird, isn't it, to see. And for a message to be portrayed to us on one hand, Landau gets such an aggressive penalty for being unsafe by driving flat out through a yellow flag zone. But also the FIA wing mirrors, they are there.

They are basically like just soft play toys. Don't worry about them. We're all good. It's a weird thing to be like sleeping when you've got a wing mirror there, but so awake when it's a yellow flag infringement. Well, they woke up, didn't they after it? Because they were throwing penalties around like crazy afterwards. But I think the drivers, everything that happened after Sweargate,

if you want to call it that. And they wrote an open letter, didn't they, to the president? and unsurprisingly, they don't care. They didn't reply, which I think is incredibly arrogant and not surprising. It's disappointing, but not surprising. They are an organisation that clearly have a lot of egos in and things like that.

The fact he said it was none of their business. That's what the FIA president said. What does he think he's in charge of? if the drivers leave and don't want to race? Well, I think it's more than that. Like, you know, wouldn't be surprised. If they're sick of this, I'd love to know, you know, we haven't heard yet,

but I'd love to know the thoughts of Carlos Sainz and Lewis Hamilton that had to drive through that debris. When they watched that race back and see how that actually panned out, I think they're going to be unsurprisingly absolutely fuming and I think there'll be long talks in the driver's, kind of meetings that they have together if Max and George haven't fallen out

but that's a story for a bit later. Yes, we'll get into that for sure. Next question, P.1, Patreon member, AMG Piper. So who was more useless in the race? Lance Stroll or the FIA? Have many questions of how they are both still in F1 right. Now, done a lot worse, i.e. driving to a gravel trap and not be able to escape in Brazil. He sort of

understood, caused a collision, didn't he, right at the beginning, which I'm not going to have, I'm not going to be too harsh on him. I feel like it was a racing incident, if anything. Of course, his race didn't end particularly well. So I would absolutely side with the FIA being more useless because they don't have to drive. They just have to look and see wing mirrors and go, you know what, that's not safe. So I would go with the FIA for sure. It's addressing the question of about how they are both still in F1. And I think that is going to be, I think there's something brewing.

There's been, we've had this in the past about threats of a breakaway. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes on if Formula One think about trying to distance themselves from the FIA and feeling like, you know, Formula One have become a massive business and they're dipping their toes, well, more than dipping their toes in media and everything. kind of running the sport themselves now that I would not be surprised if Formula One almost want to just take control of the sport themselves and say, well, we don't need you

and then Formula One can do all this stuff like investing in proper stewarding and because it really does feel like everything the FAA have to control is all the stuff that the fans are complaining about. Let's be honest. So, yeah, I mean, it's not good for us. We expect

Lance Stroll, you know what I'm saying? We expect the level that Lance Stroll brings. The FIA, we expect more because that has a lot more to do with the actual sport and how fair and, well, competitive Formula One is. So a lot of pressure and a lot of power that the FIA has and they really aren't using it very wisely at the moment. Anything else to add, Tommy? I mean, you were riled up. Anything more to sort of say on the FIA matter?

None more than it's just an absolute joke and I cannot wait to see what happens after this and whether the drivers do take a stand I wouldn't be surprised if we saw potentially even another statement from the GPDA. I will just add to the mention that we had about Mohammed bin Saliam basically replying to that open letter and then just saying around the fact that like with all respect I am a driver, I respect the drivers. I've seen it several times that you said this now to people. I'm a driver, so I get it. And, you know, let the drivers do their thing. It's not none of their business to dive into ours. Like, it is the most arrogant approach to running the governing body

that I can never see. And no wonder there is this alienation between Formula One and the FIA, because the drivers are the ones putting on the show and the ones risking their lives as well. It needs to be an open dialogue, not I'm better than you and you need to report to me. It's absolutely all egos. And FAA the worst for it and the FAA president is the worst for it. You need to just get off your high horse and set your ego aside and actually just run the sport properly, for God take. Indeed. Right.

Let's go to my most memorable moment. It's not over. The controversy is not over. The discussion is absolutely not finished. Mine is, of course, the Lando Norris Stop, Go penalty. That was a massive moment, not just for Lando Norris's race, but the fight for first in the constructors between McLaren and Ferrari. Now, let's just go into the first question on this topic from P1 Patreon member, Cheapseats.

What's the penalty on Norris too harsh? I can see several viewpoints to this. The fan viewpoint, I've seen a lot of people thinking it's an absolute joke that Lando got that harsh of a penalty for what he did. It's when you see everything else handed out and the five seconds for this, the 10 seconds for this, Formula One fans jump on the fact of like,

well, that was worse than that. So why is that not got more than this? And it's always comparing other penalties. But when it comes to yellow flags, double-waved yellow flags, I mean, I have a problem with it anyway because the way drivers slow down for yellow flags is absolute rubbish.

They are lifting, 10 miles an hour. Officer, I lifted. We're all good. We're in the clear. Rule book ticked. It's almost like, you just have to show.

It's always like a video game almost. Like, drop your speed. Yeah, yeah. Just by tiny bit. I saw Max is on board. Max, by the way. Incredible sort of vision to, because I don't think he even had it

on his dashboard that it was the yellow flag. But he just saw the two double-waved yellows on the left, slowed down. Very, just a little, and that was it. Done. Max, of course, has been caught by yellow flags in Qatar before. Yes, he's probably scarred, to be honest with you.

Lando did not lift one bit, right? He sent it. And Max, I firstly don't think that the FIA would have cottoned on at all if Max hadn't got on the blower and said, Landau's, Lando didn't slow down, did he? He didn't slow down at all. So he dopped him in, which is fair enough. That's what all competitors do. But back to the penalty, it's interesting because you can have the viewpoint of like,

Oh, nothing was on track. There were no drivers there. There was no people on track. It's quite a harsh penalty. But when you look at the rule book, I don't think you can really differentiate between, oh, don't worry, it wasn't that bad. Or, oh, the marshal was kind of out the way.

You have to, it has to be a blanket rule in that sense. And I do also, you know, Andrea Stella, I think, said that critical thinking needed to be applied a little bit because there was a bit of chaos and confusion around it. For me, it's a double-waved yellow. Lando didn't see it and he has to take the penalty and a stop go penalty

it does seem harsh in a race it is race ending but it's also a double waved yellow where you're supposed to slow down and be prepared to stop and Lando didn't do that so it is gutting for him

I'm gutted for him because he was having an amazing race fighting Max all the way to the end but also it's kind of warranted otherwise the drivers will would do that more that you have to have a penalty

to serve, to give something else, basically to put people off, to put the drivers off doing that because it's a safety thing. It's not a side-by-side wheel-to-wheel thing. Exactly. For all my ranting about the FAA and decisions, I actually think the penalty was spot on here and I know it's caused a lot of arguments and I'll probably get a lot of dislike for saying it, but at the end of the day, the slowing down under yellow flags is Rule 101. of racing. It's not even Formula One in a very complicated sport. There's Formula One and we mentioned about there's so many different rules and penalties

and all this stuff. That rule applies in a go-kart race. You know, everyone knows that when it's double-waved yellows, you have to slow down, and Lando didn't. So the FAA have chosen to penalise him in the harshest way they possibly can, other than a disqualification, which of course would have been far too harsh, because it is something they frown upon and I think fairly they frown upon it

because just because there was no martial on track or just because there was not as much danger as we thought when there's double-waved yellows out the rule is literally slow down because there's something and it could be big so the fact that he's driven through it and not even feathered the throttle or anything, just kept his foot flat, is inexcusable.

And it's a big mistake. And I agree with you that it's gutting for him because I think you drove a fantastic race. He's had a fantastic weekend, but it's a mistake that's cost him big for the Constructors Championship. But I don't agree that it's incredibly harsh in everyone that's kind of throwing their arms up in the air at the FIA for this penalty because it's simply dangerous.

You know, every driver, and it's happened to so many other drivers, not just Lando. Like, I think you could look down the grid and there's probably every single driver at some point in their racing career has had this. And it's justifiable to give it an incredibly harsh penalty because just because there wasn't a martial on track doesn't mean like Lando didn't know that. No, exactly this. Exactly. So, you know, you put a marshal walking across the track at that moment. everyone would be saying well absolutely of course it's a penalty and as far as Lando is concerned and what he the information he's got it could have been so you just have to

respect what what the what the rules are there so and I don't I don't agree as well with you know we've we've had a lot of rants and things and I don't I don't think it's a case of like oh just because this happened this happened this is just these are the rules and in a way it is consistent because they give out harsh penalties for these kind of things they always have done. Absolutely. And look, Lando Norris himself said it was a fair penalty.

He literally said he said, I've let him slow down and a double, he literally said it's a fair penalty as well to Sky Sports. So I don't think there's really much of an argument because even Lando, I think, realizes the mistake he made. And yeah, it's, it's harsh. It's harsh in the sense of damn.

Like when you actually know the full picture as viewers, you go, well, that's pretty harsh because it was the wing mirror, but the drivers don't know that. There are blanket rules out there to be obeyed. And also it's a slight competitive advantage. You throw that in there as well. Lando doesn't slow for yellows. Max does.

He gained eight-tenths, whatever it was. So there's reasons that they all have to follow the same rules, otherwise someone has to be penalized. We just don't see it that often. I think that was the more shock factor of, Orlando's maybe going to get a 10-second, maybe a drive-through at worst. Oh, wow, a 10-second stop-and-go penalty.

that is the worst you can get before disqualification. Yeah, exactly. And what I would say is the inconsistency, and this is something that people have bought up, is the fact that he got this penalty, but then just a fine for Brazil and leading the field around when it went ready. But compare, yeah, I mean, it's hard to compare, isn't it?

Yeah, but that I think is probably the closest thing, right, to, well, that's not consistent at all, because they're both safety aspects. Yeah, yeah. But, I mean, was it too harsh? No, I don't think so personally. But the Brazil thing was too lenient. Probably, but that is just an opinion.

And I don't think you can sort of, yeah, change it based on what it is. We've seen these penalties given before. So that's why I got it. Next question, J.M. Pratton. How does gaining 0.6 of a second for not lifting under yellow flags warrant a stop and go penalty, but forcing drivers off the track by breaking later to be a head. at an apex goes unpunished. It kind of goes back to the fact that it's a sporting will-to-will,

that there's those kind of penalties, and then there's safety breaches of penalties, and the safety breaches of penalties in the sense of not respecting the rules and the flags goes a lot harsher, because it's not fair, I think, because obviously this is absolutely a dig slightly to Max Verstappen in this question. Yeah, yeah.

But Max is doing it. it within the rules and sometimes slightly over and gets penalties. He literally got penalised twice in Mexico. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He did not deserve a stop go penalty for those. He was out of order, but that's what the five, ten, whatever second, or ten seconds nowadays, because of the minimum, what was there for. I can and I do sympathise with fans, though, because it is all over the place.

And that's what needs to be clarified moving forward. why they are potentially changing the goalposts now is a bit weird. If they're going to make changes or start judging things differently, let's have a clean slate from 2025. But this is something we've always had a problem with Formula One, I would say, is Stewart's decisions and how they unfold and what we get from them. Because I can't even remember the amount of times we have spoken about penalties and consistency. Oh no, this year, yeah.

Yeah, forcing a driver off and things in the apex. That at the end of the day is all subjective in how it's interpreted by the stewards, and that's where the inconsistencies in the penalties given come, because as fans and even pundits and experts and ex-drivers, they're the kind of things that everyone can disagree with and go, oh, I believe this, or I believe this, this was too harsh, this was too not. but at the end of the day the whole

how does gaining 0.6 seconds is irrelevant you know it could be 0.1 second if he's kept his foot flat it's a penalty it's like speeding in the pit lane if you're over the limit doesn't matter if you're 100 miles an hour over the pit lane speed limit

or a mile an hour over that is you've broken the rule and you cannot stay flat during double-waved yellow flags and that's the severity right if it was a single waved yellow perhaps it's more lenient and it's a 10 second or five. But because it's double-waved yellow, that is a,

it's almost kind of is like a mini red flag for that sector kind of thing, of just being very, very cautious. It's ironic that people want, you know, I've been claiming so long for like, we need a black and white rule of this happening. And now the FIA have actually given a penalty and given the harshest penalty, which they have done before,

to someone speeding under yellow flags. Now everyone's complaining about it because the circumstance is like, you look at it on paper, or you look at the incident, you watch the onboard and go, well, that doesn't look dangerous.

And it doesn't matter if it's a wing mirror or a car in flames on that. At the end of the day, a double-wave yellow flag, it's a double-wave yellow flag. So you literally can't do that. Exactly. So hopefully that clears that up.

Next question. P1 Patreon member just in F194. Will we see more of the stop-go penalties going forward or do you think that this was a one-time incident? It depends if we have more yellow flag breaches. It's not a case. This was not a wheel-to-wheel. Landau pushed someone off.

Stop go-penalty for you, Lando. It wasn't. It was a severe breach of the yellow flag, very set-in-stone rules. If someone else does that again, they will get a stop and go penalty. It's as simple as that. I would love to know how many actually

did speed during the double-waved yellows that weren't caught because they didn't have a certain Max Verstappen, the wily old fox knowing exactly how much time his competitor has gained. But that's another element to the stewarding, which we have mentioned many times of how do they even keep up with that unless someone reports it. Because it's very noticeable, isn't it? That whole situation was very noticeable because we thought Max had gone off or even had a problem or something because the gap came down so significantly for Lando to to catch up. But yeah, the fact that other drivers did probably do it,

but at the end of the day, the stop-go penalty is there to deliver what they deem to be probably the harshest thing you can do, or the worst thing you can do pretty much as a driver, and that is speeding under yellows. You go back to 2021, and Mazepin and Latifi sped under double-waved yellow, lows didn't lift off and they were given 30 second time penalties which is of course the

equivalent of a stop go penalty because it was investigated after the race of course because they're at the back and the stewards don't notice the cars at the back but that's another story so they were given it later but it just shows that they are being consistent with that you speed under yellows you get the worst penalty possible if you get caught maybe you know we don't know yet maybe they do sit and sitha through every single driver's on board during the the kind of the yellow flag period to check

but let's be honest they're not going to do that what I've just seen is the FIAs say that they are putting together an explainer on some of the decisions made during the Qatar GP so can't wait for them to drop the YouTube video explain no they won't it would be a boring document so I've heard that you know heard a lot of criticism

we thought we'd let everybody know it's your boy Mohammed here I'm going to tell you about what that wing mirror. Don't forget to like and subscribe. And also it's none of your business. Thank you. Imagine they did that.

You were doing an explainer. It's none of your business. Yeah. Deal with it. Sunglass. It's covered this way. Next question. People on Patreon member, Sam. Constructors Championship.

Back on. Kind of. 21 points the gap. 44. I think are able to be, yeah, 25, 18 and then the fastest lap. 44 are able to be secured. Of course, McLaren, do they have more wins this year?

That's something to question. Yes. Is it by more than one? I don't know what happened if Ferrari then would win. It would go down to second places and things. Yeah, so I'd imagine McLaren would win because they've had a lot of first and second places, I think, this year, mainly second places. So yes, I would say that it's very much a McLaren's favour still. I do have more hope for Ferrari and Abu Dhabi compared to Qatar.

but McLaren are going to have to have a disaster. They've got such a strong line-up in Norris and Piastri, and I fully expect them both to be fighting in the top five. So we're going to need a Ferrari one too. Yeah. I don't think the championship, the Constraint's Championship should have been wrapped up by McLaren comfortably this season.

I think they will do it, but the fact that they're even keeping us guessing all the way to the finish just shows how many points they have left on the table and how much of a... You know, they've got an incredible car this year. They've had the best car and the everyone that's kind of worked on that car

because I have to say, you know, not too long ago, McLaren were a midfield team and we were kind of discussing whether anyone could ever break the mould of Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes winning everything. So McLaren winning the Constructors' Championship would be an unbelievable thing and a massive effort to everyone working there. But they've left so many points on the table and even at the end of the race. This season has just kept us guessing all the time, which is why I'll say never say never.

We said after the sprint, it's over. Then even then they kind of didn't get the one two we're all expecting in qualifying. And then we're getting towards the end of the race and it's kind of like, oh, it's over. And then sudden, oh, science's got a puncture, it's over. And then suddenly Norris is getting a stop go penalty and losing all these points. It keeps changing. So I just wouldn't, I wouldn't say, never say never.

Just because, but what I would say is to be absolute travesty for McLaren if they did somehow lose it, because it should so easily be wrapped up by now for them. It certainly should. But at least it makes it exciting into Abu Dhabi. We have something to keep an eye on for the final race, which is literally. I'm the fight for P2 now as well. Yeah, eight points between Norris and LeCler. That would be wild if LeCler finished P2 in the championship.

I know LeCler wants it because he's already spoken about that after Vegas and how he was disappointed, obviously, with everything that happened with signs. So, yeah, there's a little, a few little things to keep an eye on. And of course, one man that we were keeping an eye on, as whether he was going to score points. And he scored multiple of them today. And we will get to that very shortly with Joe Gwainu. What a man.

But before we do, Tommy, do you want to run through this pretty out there drama? Max versus George, Vestappen versus Russell? What's been going on? Right. So, of course, you'll have seen that Max didn't start on pole position like he'd scored and got the one-place quid penalty, of course, which we've had our opinions on. We shared it that we thought it was a bit of a... harsh penalty to say the least for him to get one.

A joke? Yeah, yeah. When it was an out lap for Russell on a second warm-up lap. And you thought after Max had won the race as well, that he might just kind of let it go. But he has gone in on George Russell and the way George Russell has carried himself in that steward room when trying to give him a penalty basically. So what Max has said was the way other drivers handled, obviously alluding to George, things during the Stewards meeting yesterday, honestly that made no sense.

I think I have a lot of respect for other drivers, but after last night, I've definitely lost it for him. I just find it ridiculous how he tried to push me for that penalty. I was really pissed at him for that. and then the interview asked him, will you have a calm chat with George after this? And Max said, not right now. You know what it is?

He always acts very nicely here in front of the camera. But when you're in there in person in the Stewards room, it's just a completely different person. And I can't stand that. It's actually better just to F off as well because I don't have to deal with that. And then, if that wasn't enough, that was obviously an interview with Dutch TV.

He then goes into the press conference and says, I've been in the meeting room as in a steward's room many times and I've never seen someone tried to screw another driver over that hard I've lost all respect which

I mean we know that Max goes in right Max doesn't mince his words does he he says exactly how he's feeling and I imagine first people's reaction to that because obviously we don't know what the steward's room and what I would say is that doesn't surprise me that George Russell

is that kind of person I think he would you know he's very much that I could see I could totally see George doing that and he wants to get a comparative advantage like Max and I bet there's a lot of people now after I've read that screaming going

yeah Max literally dogged Lando on the on the radio in this race to get him a penalty so yeah he obviously feels strong enough about it to really go for it but I would probably argue even as a

in Max for Step and found that it's not something like Max probably kind of does himself anyway or at least kind of every driver is trying to get a comparative advantage and you know we've kind of lauded Max for getting advantages and going well he doesn't care what other people think of him so do you say well fair enough George it is an interesting one of course Vastappen's been on the receiving end of this penalty so of course he's going to be a little bit annoyed yeah What's gone down in the steward's room? We don't know.

But this is literally what happens in the sport. It's not just because George has a different opinion to Max, that shouldn't be a reason, in my opinion, for Max to maybe be so, feel so disrespected by George. Again, we don't know exactly what went down. It's more the actual decision was rubbish, and Max shouldn't have lost his pole position, in my opinion. But of course, George is, maybe he's gone to the nth degree

and I think Max also feels as though George has got friends in the FIA because he's standing the other. He's the head of the GPDA as well, isn't he? So that's also going to make things quite awkward that he's openly sort of had to go at him when they have to have these driver briefings because of course, George would have been, well, George was the person that wrote the letter,

if you like, to the FIA president. So I wouldn't probably say he's particularly friendly with the FIA right now George has done on us boasting that but it's not the first time either that Max and George have had a little kerfuffle have they

when Max called him it was it a D-Ed yeah after I can't remember when that was after but yeah they've had a few little run-ins haven't they so

can I just say Max Vestappan versus George Russell title fight would be unbelievable that would be so much hatred so much drama drive to survive

would have an absolute field day over it I'm certainly because they would both be so willing to screw each other at every possible moment. It'd be incredible. Yeah.

Okay, sign me up. Yes, please. Okay, moving away from that and onto our MVP, driver of the day. P1Petri, remember, you will not have the drink. Just simply says, Joe Maka, Joe Guan Yu. P8. What a drive. I know he got slightly fortunate with the fact that we had collisions here and there

and punctures and this, that and the other. But Joe drove fantastically well and did the entire week. weekend in qualifying, up in Q2, beating Bottas, which has been almost unheard of this entire season. And then as soon as the Salba gets reasonably good, Joe's like, yeah, points. I'm going to have some point. I'm not going to have more than one. I'm going to have four points. He has scored more points than Sergio Perez in the last four races. That is a stat and a half, isn't it, for Joe? We will say, and we will get on to Perez because he actually was on a very decent little race there and I'm absolutely devastated for my predictions that we'll get into as well.

But back to show, goodness gracious me, where did that come from? Since when did Salba have a car that actually went forward fast and then round corners reasonably fast as well? I'm completely blown away. He was on the hards at the end. It's not like he gained massively from that safety car and was on mediums or something and really gained from the fact everyone was struggling on the hards. No, he was out there. He told his flipping pit crew, pit engineer, radio engineer, 10 laps to F off and shut up because he was focusing. And then he got the job done. Go on, Joe.

It was a brilliant performance from Joe Gwainu to... I think if you could say he's lucky, I think that's incredibly unfair because he's qualified brilliantly. He's been on the kind of... I wasn't suggesting he was lucky. No, I'm not. I'm talking about other people.

I know you went, just to clarify that. Because I've seen people, I made a joke on Twitter saying, can we give him 11 out of 10 in drive ratings because what a drive? And a few people replied saying, well, he got lucky. And I was kind of like, well, no, because he qualified brilliantly. He put himself in the position. He was there or thereabouts kind of on the edge of the points the whole time.

And how many times have we said that these lower cars, all they need is a few retirements from the top, which of course he got. And it's thrust him all the way up to P.A. He's beaten a house. He's beaten, you know, the RBs on. on track and he's done an absolutely brilliant job. He finished 25 seconds clear of Bottas in the end, by the way, as well. How do you manage that? We had a safety car like 15 maps from the end.

It's because he's a showmaker. What a beast. Absolutely superb. What a performance. And the only thing more shameful than the FIA direction this weekend was the TV direction, not showing him across the line, because what a performance. Showing him. Deserved driver of the day.

A brilliant story. And yeah, a well-deserved drive. Absolutely fantastic. We were kind of joking on the, our kind of our watch-along, how similar it is to Antonio Javenazi, where we were kind of like, why now? Why now when you don't have a drive next to you haven't shown really anything at all? Because Javenatzi did something quite similar where the announcement. obviously what they weren't renewing his contract and suddenly he started putting in these

great performances and that's exactly what show has done. So, hey, he's already sent a Ferrari Keen, maybe if Hamilton keeps, I'm checking. But yeah, he's done a fantastic job. What a brilliant drive, well deserved. Well on Joe, not even just scraping a point. Having multiple points like that is phenomenal work. So yeah, let's see what they can do in Abu Dhabi because it was almost a double salver points until Norris came steaming. through. BOTAS was up to 10th for all of about four corners and the double salber point stream was alive for a very short amount of time. Okay, moving on now. Question from P1 patron member, Roanak. Is Lewis Hamilton likely to not race next week at Abu Dhabi? He seemed very dejected on the team radio

today. No, there's absolutely no chance that Hamilton is missing the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix with Mercedes. I will die on this hill. There is no chance. Anyone that believes that Hamilton is actually not going to race this next week. To end his legacy with Mercedes. I don't get what this has come from. Incredible adventure with Mercedes. He was, you know, slandered when he first took that choice, went from McLaren to Mercedes.

Oh, he's gone for the money, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He then wins multiple championships with them. He's the statistical greatest of all time. Of course, he's going to finish the last race with Mercedes. So there is no chance in my mind. that he's going to miss it. I know that a few laps from the end he wanted to retire and he wasn't.

Of course, he's human. He's absolutely dejected. He's done that his whole career. He did it in, was it, Hockenheim when the shocker of a race. It's not used to having it. It's not like every week he's asking to retire, is it? It's just, yeah, he's turning up next week.

He's always been one of those drivers that's won his heart in his sleeve, particularly of a team radio and he gets very, you know, it's an emotional drive. of the way he kind of conducts himself with whether he's winning or losing. So it's absolutely ridiculous to think that he wouldn't do Abu Dhabi, not just why he wouldn't want to do it himself for his legacy,

but just think of even if he didn't want to, all the contracts and things that you'd have to break to do that. I know they're running a special livery with fans' pictures on him. and he wouldn't and also you know how many people of Hamilton's fans going to be there in Abu Dhabi wanting to watch his final race for Mercedes and an amazing legacy with that with that team before he leaves Mercedes so it'd be absolutely ridiculous to for Hamilton to leave although apparently some drivers may may leave for the final race well what a segue because the next question is from P1 Patreon member Cheap Seats. What do Alpine gain from putting Doin in the car in Abu Dhabi next week? I think this is disrespectful personally to Esteban Ocon.

He was only just on the podium in Brazil. He has driven his heart out, circulating track after track in a mobile dustbin, to then not be able to drive his last race for the team that he's been with for a few years. it's utterly disrespectful in my opinion. I'm not even going to mince my words with this. I'm not going to, because Ocon deserves better. Both himself and Gassley have put so much effort in. Yeah, Estabanz had a few poor performances,

but then he had that incredible one in Brazil. So then for them, just kind of bin him off for the last race. It's just not good enough, personally. So I do feel for Ocon, I think it's a load of rubbish. And they should have given him that last race in Abu Dhabi. I know he's not leaving Formula One, thankfully.

but I still think it was it was not fair on him. Yeah, if this is the case, it almost wouldn't surprise me the way Alpine have always been quite cutthroat, not in a nice way, with a lot of their personnel and drivers and how they've managed things in the past. Be incredibly disrespectful to Ockon for them to ditch him.

Let's not forget, Ockon is the driver that's delivered this team their only race winner's Alpine and for them to just not even you know, let him get taken out of a Grand Prix two races to go for them to basically just be like, right, you're done, thank you very much. Surely there must have been talks

or something, I don't know, but... Flavio being there, perhaps, maybe. You might have had a thing or two to say. More brutal, and I mean, if you take all the emotion out of it, what do Alpine have to gain will, of course, doing is driving the car next year. And also in an absolutely

like devastating Constructors battle right now like they are literally fighting. I think Ocon as well would have been if this is to be believed and it seems like it's really ramping up like it's going to happen

would actually have the upgrades as well that he finally hadn't got and obviously we've seen what Gassley is able to do with those upgrades and how well he's performing and we always say that O'Con and Gassley are they're evenly matched and we've seen that so many times throughout their career. So for them to finally it for them to happen, I mean,

they've obviously worked some kind of contract there. Alpin do have a lot to gain to put doing in the car because they're literally having him next year and I think he's probably one of the least experience. I'm very surprised they hired him in the first place with the kind of inexperience it's got compared to maybe some other drivers. So of course it gives him a huge opportunity to do a race in Formula One before he makes

what would have been officially his debut next year and of course, he's going to do all the testing and things, but they do have a lot to gain from it, but I still think it's incredibly disrespectful to Ocon if they do it. Yeah, they're five points ahead of Hasse, they're 13 points ahead of RB, which is unlikely to be overthrown, going into the final race of the season. I thought they'd want to put their strongest foot forward

and then put doing in the car for testing next year as you normally do for most drivers. Ocon, yeah, I don't know. It's just quite clear. that relationship's clearly just broken down quite a lot, isn't it? And they're just ready to depart. For sure. But this is like rubbish.

You know, as you said about this only victory was Esteban Okon. Like, anyway, poor old Esty Besty. I hope he's all good. Has a nice rest. And then he'll go to Hasse. No resty for Esty bestie. Wow. Good.

Not much more you have to deal with all of this, everybody. Only one race to go to her next week. Next question. P1, Patreon, member, Captain Obs, 3420. So did Checo spin on his own? first and then lose drive or was the spin due to a mechanical problem already? It's got to have been a mechanical problem. As much as it did look a little bit suss when you saw the onboard and you heard the engine

revs, you were like, oh, hold on a second. But he wouldn't have then retired straight after. Unless he's so embarrassed, yeah, that he kind of. Yeah, the only thing that it likens me to is like embarrassment is when Latifie turned right too early at the Suzuki in practice once. And it's like, oh, don't know what happened. I feel like there's no way Checo didn't have a problem with his car. He was driving incredibly well up until that point.

He was up in P5. Got a bit fortunate with the safety car, but he was showing a little bit of promise, something that we've not seen probably since Baku. And it was great to see. I was really happy to see him up there, mainly because I predicted it'd score multiple points. And then I brought that up.

And then within one lap, he lost drive and was out of the race. So sorry, Checo and to all of his fans as well. But I don't see that as a problem. that he has caused, I think it was the car. Or Helmut Marco and Christian Horner have said to him, if you make one mistake in the race, you're out, and he's spun off and gone, I lost drive, as in, I lost my drive.

No. Oh my goodness. Joking aside, it must be. It can't have spun off behind the saved car on his own. He was driving a great race getting for him because that's two, he was up in fifth, and that is the two races, where he's actually put in decent performances were here in this race and Azerbaijan

and he's gone away with nothing in both of them. So he actually explained that it was a massive over-delivery from the engine. So that's what probably looked like. I mean, that might just be a, I pressed the loud pedal too hard, but I don't think it was. No, yeah, the fact that he retired and he left out. And he did, he was actually lucky not to get any kind of penalty because he joined the track.

unsafely. But they've... No further action for that. No further action. And right to this very second, no further action. It was a warning for Oscar Piazri for the incident. So no changes to the constructors there. I love how that of all the things was like the latest thing for them to look at,

which was the earliest moment for anything to be investigated. They're like, well, it can't be that important. We'll put that to the bottom. We'll chill out for a bit. Put our feet up and then we'll wait for the real stuff to happen in the race. Oh dearie me. But yeah, really unfortunate for Checo. I do feel for him because he could have had two big results in Baku and here,

and it hasn't. He had done a great job. He had. Okay, next question. P1 Patriot member, Roanak. Is the incident with Bottas, along with a poor performance at Vegas, going to impact Liam Lawson's chances of a full-time race seat at Red Bull and V-Carb next year? Is this another Nick DeVries type situation where the pressure of F1 is getting to him?

Liam Lawson has not really delivered anywhere. near what we expected after taking over from Daniel Ricardo. He's spoken a lot of fierce words. He's made a lot of enemies. But it's, yeah, I think R.B have not been great full stops. And Oda's done some decent performances. But RB have fallen off a little bit. They've come under pressure from the likes of Alpine and the constructors.

And Lawson, I don't think, is doing enough right now. He might be doing enough to keep the RB seat, but he's nowhere near. performing enough for Red Bull, in my opinion. If he gets promoted to Red Bull, I'm sat there going, really? When you compare him with Yuki Sonoda? Are you really putting him forward first?

So I'm not particularly sold right now on Lawson. I think it is funny, isn't it, how some drivers can just come in, do a couple of amazing races or something that really takes the headlines. But then from there, perhaps it simmers a little bit, the pressure starts to build,

the weekends start to take their toll or the media and let's see but right now not anywhere near close to promotion in my eyes not at all I think he's been incredibly disappointing if you think that Liam was given the opportunity of kind of oh you never know he could even get the red ball seat and he's not not performed as well as UK Snowder at all

uh... Senada's been doing a great job Lawson's under delivered and I think it would be harsh for them to get rid of him completely I don't think he's got any chance of the Red Bull unless he does something unbelievable in Abu Dhabi I don't think that's on at all I don't think he's shown at all that he's going to be able to get that and that would be incredibly harsh on Sonoda like you say

but if Red Bull are so reluctant to promote Sonoda and they believe that Sonoda should stay at V-Carb and Liam Lawson's come in and not particularly done a great job so far and it's really under-delivered like you say made quite a few enemies as well

which is not what Redba wanted he even went wheel to wheel with Perez and started kind of flipping him the bird and stuff which I'm sure would have it's not not the way he should be doing it could they get rid of him from V-Carb completely.

Of course, he doesn't have a contract. It feels like he's locked in there, but he doesn't have a contract for them next year. It's kind of easy to forget that that's the case. I think it would be harsh for him, but if he has another stinker in Abu Dhabi, they might just say, well,

we keep Perez, we put Colapinto in alongside Sonoda, and we'll see how it goes from there. Well, it's for sure if Colopinto gets that second seat, he will bring a whole wave of a fan base that we know Red Bull do very much enjoy. So it might well be the worth the punt for Red Bull. Okay, let's go to the biggest winner, driver or team? Easy.

Easiest one ever. Show Guan Yu, the greatest driver. Just, wow. Unbelievable. It has to be said that I want to give a sort of runner-up point to Gassley. I think he's done a phenomenal job to put that Alpine P5. and Charlotte Claire, wow, what a man, P2 in a dry, in a car that I don't think deserve to be P2 today.

That's just a very small. And Max, whatever. Max, Max is a, you know, he relies on Sergio Perez. Sergio Perez went out there in the sprint and did all the donkey work. You know, he got all of that data so Max Verstappen could run. Okay, I'm kidding. Max stuff did an amazing job, for sure. It's definitely show, though.

To not score a point all year and then to get a P.A. I think the most impressive thing was that he got into P8 and we were going, show could get a point here because you're expecting him to tumble down and maybe finish 10th. Kept it. One absolute legend. Beast, absolute beast. And Alonzo very quietly got seventh as well in an Aster Martin. Yeah, it's just Alonzo things, super.

Just Alonzo things. And, okay, let's get the biggest loser. Lando Norris is up there? Because I'm thinking more just in the concept of the whole context, sorry, of the whole championship. And what's on the line, the Constructors Championship, the fight with Ferrari, that is a massive points loss through an error, not seeing the yellow flags. So for me, I think I'm going to put Lando. Yeah, it's a definite fair shout for Lando to go. Biggest loser because he's costed his team.

I think it would be, I don't think it's going to happen, but it could potentially be very embarrassing if Lando, you know, they lose the constructors and Lando finishes third in the driver's title after all this. Wouldn't be a great, great look, but yeah, the errors cost of the big time.

I don't think he cares by the third in the drivers. I think in terms of his kind of reputation, I think it would damage it quite a lot. Holkenberg had an absolute stinker of a race but I can't really give him the biggest loser just because of the weekend that he had because of course did well in the sprint which feels about four years ago now.

Williams is a good shout as well they had two lap one incidents which was really impressive and again I feel incredibly sorry for the team neither of them their fault Albon somehow managed to haul the car still to the finish which was impressive but yes

and his wing went no we need the wing just decided Oh, our mechanics have had too easy recently. We'll give them something to fix, and the wing just flew off. The wing? You mean the wing mirror? Wing mirror. When did his wing fly off? It was technically a wing because it has aeroparts around.

Yeah, but come on, let's call it a mirror, bro. We're just normal people. Okay, let's get into our predictions that we made on Wednesday to see how we did. It's 53 all, and I'm not happy. Okay, so my biggest good surprise was Liam Lawson. That was good, wasn't it? Really surprising from Lawson. He got into SQ3.

I'm thinking, I'm cooking here. And then he just delivered a dreadful weekend from there on in. So thank you, Lawson. No points. No points to me, though. I went for Franco Colopinto who had maybe even more of, yeah, I think that's minus one. Let's master this.

Come on, bro. Come on. Into Abu Dhabi. We need to have level points, surely. Okay, biggest flop. I went for George Russell. I thought it was coming in at one point. He's finished fourth.

it's tough because there was a seventh, eighth place. He was stuck behind Alonzo. I thought, wow, the powers have kicked in right now. But I'm not even going to try, even though he started from pole and finish fourth, I'm not going to try and argue this. I went for Lewis Hamilton, which is a definite yes,

had an absolute shocker of a weekend to the point where it was so bad that people think he's not even going to turn up for the last race, so that's at least three points. Is it? No joking. Okay, interesting. Please.

I think you've scored enough here, mate, to be honest with you. I think you need to start minusing points as I said. Sprint pole. I went for Oscar Piastri. New. New. And I went for Lando Norris, which he did. Well done, Tommy.

It's now 55, 53 to you currently. Sprint win! What can I do to get a point around here? I went for Lando Norris Sprint. win and he gave the blooming victory to his teammate that you predicted.

I think we need a compilation of you predicting Lando Norris and then going every time I predict Lando Norris something goes wrong for him so I'm not going to do it again. P1 I've got Valando Norris and then it's just constantly happening because yeah it's happened

again. Not even just that, also the graphic that we do. It's like proper cursing. I'm going to open this up to the comments, right, chat, talk to me. Oh, no, no. Tommy's already two ahead. Okay, let's really

Massey this right now. Okay, like Norris was going to win. Let's be real here. Norris was winning. Norris won that race in everyone's heart. He chose. He chose to make you win this prediction championship. It wasn't for us.

He risked it all. He basically George Russell, he almost sacrificed George Russell P3 to make sure that I got the lead in the predictions. It's absolutely disgusting, babe, to be honest with you. Okay, well, well done. So, yeah, well done. Yeah, well done.

Yeah, that was really right, wasn't it? How is there a point against your name for that? Okay, so I don't know why I've just gone to mocking on a professional podcast. At pole position, I went for Norris. Nope. And I went for Norris, no. Then top three. Third place.

Oh, hold on. I cooked. Oscar Piastria went for third place and he did. He's back. He's back. I'm so back. We're Michael Masking this beautifully. We love to see it.

I'm for Charlotte Claire. No. No, he's too good for you. Better than third. In second place I went for Max Verstappen. No, and I also went to Mac. And then first place I went for Landon Norris, so literally every Norris prediction I put down was incorrect.

And I also went for Norris. Oh my God, every time I need to check that because I think the only times we haven't gone for Norris is when he's actually won as well. Because it really does feel like, you get into the weekend, you're like, McLaren have got. this.

This is an easy Norris win and then just, wow. Well, interesting. Maybe to help Ferrari, then I put Norris everything for Abu Abid. So then Ferrari can win the sacrifices. Sacrifice. Yeah. Okay, let's go to our one crazy prediction. Honestly, how unlucky do I want to get?

Perez scores multiple points. How has that not come true? I was literally celebrating on the Twitch stream. Was I not? Tommy, I was like, I said multiple points, he's given me 10.

Then I start clapping. And within 30 seconds, I see P-E-R dropping down that flipping leaderboard. Even worse than that is we even, we were kind of remembering the discussion we had where I said, like,

if Perez wins, you can have just the championship. It was on. And I was sweating. I was like, the way this race has gone with all this chaos, is this actually going to happen

now in Perra's wins, but. No. Sadly not. And my crazy prediction was McLaren win the Constructors title, which, no, they did not. They made sure it goes down to the wire. So that, well, the Constructors goes down to the wire, and so does this championship. So you are taking a two-point lead going into the final race of the year.

All to play for. Disgusting, really, to be honest with you. We should have gone in level points. That's the whole point we've been doing this. Don't worry. People think we're rigging it. I'll technically look at your sheet. and I'll copy all your predictions, so I can't be caught.

Oh, good. Yeah. You're literally going to put yourself in my position, in my shoes and think, right, what's Matt going to go for? Bam, bam, bam. Make the most boring prediction episode ever for Abu Dhabi and then win the title. Hope you're happy with the money, Jane. Okay, three crazy predictions from you lot. P1PH remember Martin K.

Ferrari overtake McLaren in the constructors. Nope. That did not happen. They did gain, though. Return to Rainbow, eighth different winner of the season. Nope. And Damia Sandman. both Williams drivers score points.

No very far away from that. And that is it. Goodness gracious me, we've been talking for a while. That's what happens when we start ranting. I hope you've enjoyed it. Let us know your thoughts. Oh, no, wait, you already have, that's for sure. Tommy, what are your final thoughts, sir?

You know it's popping when we hit that hour mark on our riverside. So, yeah, it was a fun one to discuss. And remember, we all have opinions. respectful things. I absolutely love how you said Riverside. Like anyone knows what that is and then we're just recording by the Riverside. Our recording platform.

Like, what's Riverside? No, we're actually on a boat. We're next to a river. That's what me and Tommy are doing. But that is it. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in once and for all. I don't know what I'm saying that. That's like we're never doing a podcast ever again.

We were live for the last time for our watch long because we're going to be out in Abu Dhabi. So our podcasts, part of maybe predictions, which we'll do before, will be out there which is going to be very exciting indeed we've got a really cool few days lined up make sure to follow us on social Matt P1 Tommy if you haven't already because we will be posting on there some very fun things with some very fun people so

that is it we'll see you very soon lots of love take care and we'll see you very soon bye bye bye bye bye bye bye say bye Tommy God you're so daddy it's just the dad in me I just can't do I can't believe I just said you're so daddy at the end of the podcast that's wild. And you started it with a... And yeah, amazing.

It's an innuendo sandwich, the whole podcast. Here we go. Oh, sandwich union. I knew you. I knew you. My chore for the day is enjoy that sandwich. Is enjoy a Bellingham sandwich. What would be your filling, Tommy?

I meant if there was a sandwich called Bellingham, like, what would the fillings be? Come on, think You're a vegetarian I'm not really a sandwich guy It'd be vegetarian So like some corsette Fluffle Maybe

Fluffle? I don't know I'm not really sandwich person What do you like in your sandwiches? Not really I'm not really sandwich And tomato

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