P1 with Matt and Tommy - Reacting to our 2023 F1 World Championship predictions

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

Remember back in late February when we predicted the entire World Championship table? Well, we've dusted off those predictions and are here to set the record straight: who knows more wheel? Tickets fo...r our London and Glasgow live shows have now sold out. You can purchase the last few Manchester tickets right HERE!You can sign up to our Patreon here! You'll get access to exclusive episodes you won't hear anywhere else, every P1 episode ad-free, full driver interview videos, early access to tickets and more!Follow us on socials! You can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Twitch, YouTube and TikTok. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:06 everybody and welcome back to the P-1 podcast with Matt and Tommy. We are here today to reflect on our full Drivers' Championship predictions that we made all the way back in February, I want to say. It was definitely before. It was after testing, but before any running. And we went all the way from 20th to 1st. and we thought we were will-knowledging and we're about to find out exactly how much we will-knowledged, aren't we, Tommy?
Starting point is 00:00:43 Spoiler alert, it's difficult. Yeah, even when we'd seen testing, it shows that things did change of what we expected. Are you telling me that testing isn't representative? Are you telling me that two Formula One experts would be an absolute miracle if we got all 20 right? And if we did, I would be a multi-millionaire because I'd have put on a massive accumulator bet.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Oh, imagine. Imagine if you could do accumulator bet of the entire world championship and then, like, loamy bear drops a P4 at the end to, like, break your accumulator. Finish his 19th, no. To be fair, if you'd have put 20th, you still would have got it wrong. So anyway, how we're going to do this to make it a little bit more fun as well, is that we're going to give points out to either myself or Tommy, depending on how we do.
Starting point is 00:01:33 So it will be two points if we get the prediction bang on. So the right position. One point for who gets the closest between us. And then we also get one point if it's a draw between us. So that's how we'll sort of divide the points up. So I'm very excited to see. Because I actually have no idea who has won this. So let's let's find out.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Starting with P22, which is Nick DeVries, with a massive zero points. Now I predicted P19. which was, I thought, I mean, I didn't think he was going to do that. Well, this year that's why I predicted Daniel Ricardo to replace him as one of my crazy predictions. And that was, when did I say that?
Starting point is 00:02:16 I can't remember when I actually predicted that. At the start the season before we'd even done any testing or anything. That was. But I thought P19, there must be someone, a little Logie Bear that might finish behind him. I didn't expect there to be 22 drivers. So yes, P19. and it wasn't low enough.
Starting point is 00:02:35 I went for P-17, which is probably one of the furthest predictions off I am. Oh, spoiler alert. Even into, yeah, I imagine, because that's a long way off. Although, to be fair, I guess it's because there's two extra drivers and you finish way down the order, but I am stupid because I got baited.
Starting point is 00:02:58 I'm going to throw him under the bus right here. I got baited by a video that I saw from Will Buxton, where he was gassing up Nick DeVries saying how he's so good and like, so good at developing cars and things like that. And he put so much work ethic in. And I watched that video just before we did the predictions and changed Yuki and DeVries the other way around.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Oh, yeah, you backed DeVries over your voice and under. I didn't, yeah, I didn't in the teammate comparison one we did, but then when we did this chart, I did thinking like, oh, you'd be a bit more unlucky and maybe it would go Nick DeVries's way, but it did not. He didn't score a single point and the only driver not score a single point. So I get a point though, one nil to me. You do. One nil. Are we just going to write them next to it? Sure. Or live tally. Are we doing admin whilst recording the podcast? Apparently we are. Anyway, I thought I'm just going to say it out loud, but no worries.
Starting point is 00:03:56 21st position was Logan Sargent with a whopping one single point and I went for P20 because again I thought there was got to be 20 drivers this year not 22 so I'm not even I feel like that's right in a lot of ways because I thought it was going to be
Starting point is 00:04:18 well actually technically Logan wasn't last due to Nick DeVries but I guess he's the last in terms of full season attendees yeah I guess But yes, P20, not sad about it because I feel like I was right. Yes, I also went P20, no surprise at all, based on my predictions of the season. Although, I guess you could argue that he did worse than I expected because I would, I was only saying P20 because I thought Williams were going to be far and away the worst car. And I think it's clear from the season and how well Alex did that that is not the case.
Starting point is 00:04:53 but he still didn't score many points and I guess my P20 prediction of joking about that at the start of the season, someone clearly saw that from the F-1 graphics department when they overlaid that savage graphic of his qualifying results in Vegas, the poor guy. Yep, but then he bounced back, didn't he? He bounced back in 40.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Before another P-20 and Epidavit. Yeah, well, look, no more slander, mate. He's finished P-21. That is enough for him to have to have to have to absorb over the off season and potentially into 2024, but we will have to wait and see for when Williams finally announced whether they are keeping him or not. So 2-1 to me.
Starting point is 00:05:32 P-20, a driver that neither of us predicted because neither of us thought he would be in Formula 1. Liam Lawson, who scored two points, which is not applicable, but just want to say congratulations to Liam to making it into the top 20, beating two drivers in the Drivers' Championship, despite only doing a handful of races. So yes, well done, Liam.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Well done, Liam indeed. Cool. P-19. Kevin Magnerson, with a whopping three points. I went for P-16. I thought that it was going to go a lot better for Hasse than it did. And I wasn't foreshadowing as many tyre problems in the races as they had. And yeah, I thought P-16 was maybe a little bit harsh.
Starting point is 00:06:23 could have a few Hasse worldies, especially at the start of the year. That's when we are used to HASS coming out the blocks firing and then having no money to do anything else after the start of the season. But no, terrible. P19. I went for P14. I was even more generous. And I thought something similar that Hasse would be a better car. They did actually look all right in preseason testing, but we didn't know in preseason testing that
Starting point is 00:06:53 They couldn't do more than two racing laps without destroying their tires. So that was their downfall all season. And I think, yes, definitely overestimated how good Hasse would have been based on how they were the year before, where of course Kevin Magnuson was like the star of the show at the start of the season when he was battling up at the front for like fifth place, I think it was in the first race. But not this time. Not this time indeed. and I take a really healthy 3-1 lead after P-19.
Starting point is 00:07:27 P-18 was Joe Guan Yu with six points. And I went for P-14, as my prediction. I thought Alfa-Mayo would be, again, better than they were. I thought Joe was going to be better than he was. But instead, I think we literally saw, similar to the Hass and how many laps the tyres lasted on that car, the amount of racing laps we actually saw of Joe the entire season. We hardly ever saw him actually racing.
Starting point is 00:07:57 The Alpha Romeo boys lost in transmission, it seems. But yes, 14th, and Joe let me down. I went for slightly lower P15. So one point. I'm back in the race. I'm back in the race. But yeah, I didn't expect Alpha Romeo to be. any good. I didn't expect them to be this bad, though. They, of course, did very well in the championship
Starting point is 00:08:27 the previous year. But, yeah, Joe in particular, like you say, was just so anonymous the whole year. And I actually, a spoiler alert, I actually predicted him ahead of Bottas in my predictions, which didn't happen, but I still was closer, just about. You nip to point. Congratulations, Tommy. Three, two. P17, Daniel Ricardo, again, another driver that, well, actually I predicted, but we didn't throw into this because we were just predicting the drivers
Starting point is 00:09:00 that were supposed to have full-time seats. But he finished with six points as well. And so great to see Danny Rick back on the calendar, on the racing circuit. You know, he's back in Formula One. Didn't expect it to be so early. But of course, Red Bull doing Red Bull things and throwing one of their drivers to the sharks and were like, Danny Rick, come back.
Starting point is 00:09:23 And then obviously he injured himself, then Liam Lawson came in, then Danny Rick came back again. But yes, it's great to see Danny back. And P17, had he started at the start of the year, would I have put him 17th? Probably not. I would have been on the hype train at that point.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Yes, you've got to think, if Daniel Ricard had done the whole year, I think he would have been, there or thereabouts with Sonoda, maybe his experience puts him, a little bit higher than Snowden, and bags a few more points, but it's very close between him and his teammates,
Starting point is 00:09:53 and we didn't, like I mentioned, in our driver ratings, we didn't really get to see the full Danny Rick because it was such a stop, start campaign for him twice, essentially. So looking forward to seeing what he can do next year. P-16, Nika Holcomberg, with nine points, and I predicted him P-15. Because I thought Hasse and Nika Holcomberg,
Starting point is 00:10:15 we're going to be okay but still reasonably washed and Nico delivered that. I feel like 16th in the Drivers' Championship is incredibly harsh for Nico, considering a lot of his qualifying performances over the year but as we mentioned previously in our podcast, it just, if it ended on a Saturday, Hasse would have had a lot of points,
Starting point is 00:10:37 but that's not how it works and Charlotte-Clair would have had five wins this year as well. So we won't get into that, but Nico 16th, and I went for P-15, so I'm quite happy with how close I was with that. Clearly, I thought points were given out for Saturday because I predicted him P's wealth. You were on the Hulk hype train, I remember. Because I thought Haas would do exactly what we were saying before with K-Mag,
Starting point is 00:11:03 come out the blocks firing, and I thought Holcomberg, which to be fair, he did, like would smash K-Mag and be able to deliver points. but that car was never there to do it other than one chaotic end to the Australian Grand Prix and of course the sprint race which everyone pitted in anyway so yeah I was way off with that one. 4-2 to Gallagher versus Bellingham
Starting point is 00:11:32 as we go to P-15 Vantry Bottas with 10 points and speaking of hype trains I was on a botas hype train and I was feeling so smug after Barrow rain. I was like, yeah, Tommy, how dare you disrespect the goat that is Valtry Bottas? And then from there on, he didn't score hardly any points whatsoever in the rest of the season. So I'm going to apologise to Valtry fans out there because I feel like that might have been my fault. But yes,
Starting point is 00:12:01 10th did not happen. Yeah, I think you owe me an apology as well because I got absolutely you've roasted for picking him P-16, which was only one away. Annoyingly, if I'd backed him over Jure, I would have got it bang on. But I didn't, I wasn't on the Alpha Hype train. I thought they were going to struggle and I just couldn't see them improving. And that is exactly what happened. They were absolutely awful by the end of the year. And it's going to be fascinating to see how they improve up the grid or if they are just
Starting point is 00:12:37 settled until it's kind of like savers Audi. We'll be good then and we don't care now. We'll see. Yeah, I don't think it's quite as easy as just changing a logo and being like, oh, we're quick now. No. We'll see how that one goes. 4-3 then.
Starting point is 00:12:53 P-14. Yuki Sanoda with 17 points. I predicted him P-17. I didn't believe in the Yuki Al-Tauri combination, mainly more of the Al-Fatari. I just thought it would be pretty terrible. and I thought Yuki would do a little bit better than Nick DeVries. The only person on this podcast that thought Yuki would do better than Nick DeVries. And yeah, it wasn't very close, but...
Starting point is 00:13:20 I went for P-18. Thank you. I'm glad you got the cue there. Well done. Yeah. To be fair, I'm not 100% sure where Yuki was in the championship table, but he was languishing around 17th, 16. I think towards the end because of course they didn't score many points at all until right at the end and Yuki was there banging in P11 after P11 and we're thinking this guy's having quite a good season and not scoring any points so he was actually quite low down the table but then a few good results at the end shot him all the way up to P14 and yeah I thought that Alphateri would be
Starting point is 00:14:02 the second worst car after Williams which proved to be slightly wrong. It was right, as you say. It was right for quite a long time. Alfa and Hass just decided that they don't even want to compete anymore and just plummeted. Fair. P-13, Alex Albon, scoring 27 points. And he really did, he really did say to us, how dare you? How dare you not believe in me?
Starting point is 00:14:30 Because I went for 18th position, which, you know, you think five places out. That's a long way. surely Tommy's not going to be further away than five places. Isn't that right, Tommy? I went for P-19 for Alex Alburn. I really did think Williams were going to be, well, yeah, the worst car by a considerable margin. And this was not me disrespecting Alex Alburn.
Starting point is 00:14:57 I guess it maybe was thinking he couldn't deliver in a rubbish car. But I don't think that car is rubbish. And that's why I'm kind of like Logan did worse. than I predicted because he has actually delivered that kind of result in a car, which Alex has proved is pretty decent now. But I'm very glad to see it because, yeah, it's really good that Alex has turned his season around and we'll see what Williams can do. Maybe they are on the way up with the James Vow's hype train and they're going to be even better next year.
Starting point is 00:15:31 Who knows? Yeah, I think we should do like a predicting about team principles and, you know, top 10 because I'm putting JV right at the top. P1. I'm a James Vowles hype enthusiast. Okay, 6-3. The gap is extending as we go to P12. Esteban Ocon with 58 points.
Starting point is 00:15:51 I predicted in P9. I thought Esty Besti was going to have a better year when it comes to actual point scoring accomplishments. You know, he occasionally pops up on the podium, has a little big points all here and there. but I don't feel too bad because Tommy went even worse I did
Starting point is 00:16:12 and by even worse I went even better for Esty Bestie and put in P8 and the logic behind that was of course that Alpine actually looked pretty good after preseason testing
Starting point is 00:16:24 and he had a fantastic year the year before of course he finished ahead of Fernando Alonzo his teammate yes sorry, Alonzo had the worse luck. But, you know, I thought Esty Besty would be on a high and Alpine were looking very good.
Starting point is 00:16:43 They were obviously ahead of, looked quicker than McLaren when McLaren were in their terrible phase. But then as soon as McLaren got better, they just were in absolute no man's land where they were just, they didn't have anyone to race and they just were the definition of mid. And that's exactly where they finished. in the championship.
Starting point is 00:17:02 Let me just, let me open my dictionary and the definition of mid is right there actually. Alpi, a picture, it would have a picture of the 2023 Alpi.
Starting point is 00:17:11 Apart from the times when you biggest flopped them and then they became a world championship winning car. So, well done for that one. Okay, 7.3 now. Getting some serious daylight between the two of us here.
Starting point is 00:17:24 P-11, Pierre Gazley, with 62 points. And here we go. Because Matt Gallagher comes in with P-11. Yes, yeah. Is that the first one? That's the first bang-on prediction of the podcast so far,
Starting point is 00:17:42 which shows, I don't know if that shows how washed we are or how good we are, I don't know, because some of them have been close. Either or, it's funny, because we, I predicted P-11 for Gassley, but I predicted P-9 for Ocon, thinking that Gassley would do worse than Ocon, and in fact it was the other way around,
Starting point is 00:17:57 and I've somehow managed to accidentally fall upon the correct prediction for Pierre Gasly. So that takes me to nine points now, Tommy. What did you go for? I did exactly the same thing. I went for P11, and it is exactly the same reasoning where I thought Alpine would be pretty good
Starting point is 00:18:15 and Gassley would flop, and then somehow he's beaten his teammate, and it's got my prediction in. So thank you, Gansley, for proving me wrong and finishing P11. I was going to say it takes me to nine points. It doesn't. If it's a draw, we get one point each, right?
Starting point is 00:18:31 Or two points each. Two points each because it's a draw. It's a draw, but we both got it. Bang on. Okay, I didn't say that at the top of the show, though, Tommy. That's confusing for people carrying a lot. Okay, all right, 9-5, Ben. All right, here we go.
Starting point is 00:18:44 P-10, Vant Stroll, with 74 points. I went for P-13, which, I don't know. I felt like that was, I was onto something there, and without his, you know, he, got a few points finishes towards the end of the year. I feel like I might have been still on for something around that. But instead, Lance decided to actually turn up to work sometimes and scored some points. And we also did not predict the Aston Martin to be anywhere near as quick as it was.
Starting point is 00:19:17 So, yes, P13, not too far away. I predicted P10. Get in. Huge. And, yeah, finally, back in the game. and I got it spot on really because I said the Astor Martin would be good but Lance Stroll would be Lance Stroll
Starting point is 00:19:37 and that's why I'd be 10th which is exactly what happened in the season you know who's way off Fernando Alonzo in terms of points and yeah just got lucky with the old P-10 thinking that's a bit of a Lance Stroll position in a good car and it was didn't think I reckon if you knew
Starting point is 00:19:57 the Aston Martin pace you wouldn't have put in P-10 and I would definitely not have put in P-13 had we seen Alonzo's run a form at the start. Would you put him a little bit higher, do you reckon? Yes, yes, because I actually remember thinking that I'd put him, I remember actually thinking as well, like his injury was going to screw this championship
Starting point is 00:20:19 and Trugovic would come in and it's crazy to think that now. But no, he did carry on and actually did quite good with his injury. and then he fell off later on. 97 then. Going to P9, Oscar Piastri, or as you've spelt in this sheet,
Starting point is 00:20:43 Oscar Piari. Do enjoy an occasional Tom Bellingham typo. There's not even one letter missing. I don't even know why. 97 points for Oscar Pastery. I predicted in P12, which I feel disgusted about because I was actually hyping him up
Starting point is 00:20:58 going, he is going to be a talent, he's going to be really quick. I believe in Oscar coming into this rookie season and to be honest with you again, how McLaren came out the blocks I probably felt like P12 was too high considering how slow they were
Starting point is 00:21:14 at the start of the year but then by the end they were like no, we're going to challenge for wins because that's just McLaren I think pretty much two years in a row in terms of that trajectory of slow at the start and then getting quicker
Starting point is 00:21:24 but yeah, what a rookie season for Oscar and I'm glad that he's got higher than what I predicted. I went for P13 so one lower and yes that that logic was because McLaren had an absolute
Starting point is 00:21:40 stinker in in preseason testing as well they looked awful and yeah I remember thinking like oh that's you know that's way low down but I just did not believe that and I think to be fair there had been a lot of people
Starting point is 00:21:56 that were just I don't think anyone apart from Mickahackan could have predicted the resurgence that McLaren had because it was literally like from back markers to Lando Norris taking the lead at the British Grand Prix like how on earth did that happen? I still don't really understand but I watched that clip back. Yeah, Oscar did well in the end. I watched that clip back the other day and just the cheer, the roar. I've never heard anything like that when Lando took the lead at the British Grand Prix the most unbelievable captured TV moment or just being there but like the
Starting point is 00:22:30 the mics that picked it out was crazy. It was awesome. But yeah, Oscar had a great season, really. I think he'll do it even better next year because he started off a bit slow. I think that's why his points deficit is so much to Lando and there were a few races where he struggled with tire wear. But, yeah, looking forward to now he's got that rookie season under his belt
Starting point is 00:22:52 and a win, a sprint win, which is very impressive. Yeah, looking forward to seeing what he can do next year. He's a race winner. P-9 in the championship. 10-7. I am now in the lead three points as we go to P8. George Russell
Starting point is 00:23:07 with a whopping 175 points, a big chasm of points between Russell and Pastery from P8 and P9. I predicted P-6 and I expected Mercedes to be a little bit better than they were.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Well, actually, no. I think it was more I expected George to do a little bit better than perhaps he did, especially coming off the back of last year he was showing some real signs of potential, of course, winning in Brazil, and just generally scoring a lot of points. Hamilton, of course, was going through that big development phase with the car
Starting point is 00:23:42 and trying lots of different risky setups, which were causing him to have some pretty poor results. But George was shining in his own right. But this year was a step down, I think, in some ways. And, yeah, P8 sort of showcases that. And my prediction of P6 did not pay off. I also went for P6. My logic for this prediction of P6 was that I thought Ferrari and Mercedes were going to be the second and third best teams, which they were and very close between the two of them.
Starting point is 00:24:14 So I got that right, but I didn't get right. Sorry, mate. No, no, no, no, I'm not trying to claim. I don't know if you were teeing yourself up there. It depends. If it gets to like 138 with a few to go, maybe I will. Michael Massey this one as well, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:31 But no, George, I didn't expect him to have as bad of a season as he had. I mean, you look at the points, actually. It's not a million miles away from that big group of four drivers that were battling out for P4 in the title in the end. But by his high standards, it wasn't the greatest of seasons. And yeah, I just basically didn't predict that two drivers that, weren't driving a Red Bull, a Mercedes or a Ferrari would do very special things and get into that top mix of drivers in the championship.
Starting point is 00:25:08 How dare you? How dare you not think Fernando Alonzo would be getting so many podiums and Alaston Martin? shocking. Okay, it's 118 then. As we go to P7, Carlos Sines with 200 points. And I predicted Carlos P4 in the championship. I was very much sipping on that Ferrari hype P2 fastest car or second fastest car and they were in some ways
Starting point is 00:25:35 but Carlos was just on the wrong end and he was P4 going into Abu Dhabi and this would have been a sensational little prediction but instead it's P7
Starting point is 00:25:45 and it looks terrible but he was six points off of getting it so I am not too sad about it I went for P5 so just one lower
Starting point is 00:25:57 and is closer. This could have gone, is actually crazy how close P7, 6, 5 and 4 are in the championship. You know, 6 points separating 4 and how it changed so much. Like you say, like Carlos was leading that gangle of cars going into that final bit. But yeah, had a absolutely shocking end of the season and dropped all the way. way down to seventh. But yeah, I predicted in P5 thinking that Ferrari would be a good car
Starting point is 00:26:36 and challenging for like P2, P3 in the title, which did happen, but didn't get car loss right, unfortunately. Okay, it is 11-9 though. It doesn't matter that you didn't get it right because you close the gap, Tommy, as we go to P6. Lando Norris with 205 points. I predicted in P8. shocking, really.
Starting point is 00:26:58 I can't believe I didn't think McLaren were going to be as good as Lando was as good as he was. But what a season for Lando. He definitely could have secured P4 had there been a few mistakes ironed out in qualifying. But apart from that, unbelievable from him to help thrust McLaren forward. And I went for P8 not thinking that McLaren would be able to be challenging Max Verstappen. And if anything, our hopes were with them towards the end of the season to, actually challenge and give us a fight at the front. So yeah, I'm happy for Landau that it's higher than what I predicted.
Starting point is 00:27:33 And you can guarantee I'm not putting in P8 next year. Yeah, same. I went for P9. So I predicted that he'd do even worse, which until we got to Austria, I think you'd have safely thought that I'd be getting the points here. But no, their resurgence was unbelievable. and Lando was only, yeah, two points, or technically one, I think, because he would have had most second places,
Starting point is 00:28:04 off one point off finishing P4 in the title and making this prediction look absolutely terrible. But, yeah, his very much had a season of two halves where not a great start, and I bet he was probably around 10th, 11th, if that in the championship, actually. I think he was really low down at one point where he was constantly finishing like 17th and having break problems and all sorts.
Starting point is 00:28:31 But as soon as that car got good, Lando showed what he can do and popped into a well-deserved six, but I think it could have been even better from him, to be honest. 12-9 as we go to P5, Charles LeClaire with 206 points. And I went to P3 because I'm actually looking back at myself
Starting point is 00:28:51 and thinking, I'm proud of you, Matt, for not going crazy with this prediction, because I could have been in serious trouble had I been drinking on that delusion potion. But I went for P3 because I genuinely thought that was possible. And, yeah, Mercedes, especially Hamilton, just delivered so consistently throughout the year. And Ferrari were kind of up and down and sometimes really quick and sometimes terrible in the race. and yeah,
Starting point is 00:29:22 Charlotte Claire had a bit of bad luck as well and he finished P5. But yeah, I'm just more proud of myself that I didn't put P1. Well done that. I also went P3 for Charlotte Claire thinking that
Starting point is 00:29:36 yeah, Ferrari would have a very quick car but not as good as Red Bull and that's exactly what happened because they just missed out on P2 in the championship. And yeah, Shal had a good season but there were moments where I mean it looked like
Starting point is 00:29:56 Shal was going to finish maybe even seventh in the championship It went into Aditya fourth didn't he? Yeah exactly so it was it kind of all changed at the end and I'm really annoyed because you're getting away 1310 now
Starting point is 00:30:15 getting away what would you mean? I mean I haven't got away any more since Lando's. Yeah, true. I'm not closing. I'm not closing. I know what's next as well. We're not closing in.
Starting point is 00:30:27 So 1310 as we go to P4, Fernando Alonzo. Also with 206 points. And I predicted in P7. Now, I don't know why I did. I feel like I sort of latched onto your hype at this point. Remember, we'd had preseason testing at this point. So we knew Aston were actually really good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:48 I guess that's true. Then also there's that doubt in your mind about how true is testing and so on and so forth. And of course we do our predictions away from each other and we come and record. It's not like we go, oh, so who are you going to put seventh?
Starting point is 00:31:01 Yeah. So yeah, I went with P7 and it could have, may have, should have been, six points away, you know, it was very, very close. But instead, Fernando, securing an unbelievable,
Starting point is 00:31:14 unfathomable P4 in the driver's championship in a car that finished seventh in the constructors the previous year. Go on Fernando. Well done. I also went for P7 for Fernando Alonzo. Couldn't have possibly thought he'd finish higher than that. Of course, like I said, this was after testing.
Starting point is 00:31:33 I actually predicted, as we know from our predictions at the start of the year before we saw any testing and got laughed at for predicting that Alonzo would be best of the rest. And this was my like, I think he would be best of the rest. but my best of the rest was Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes and then and then everyone else and he'd pop it in P7. But no, P4 like unbelievable. But it did look like actually that like you say that he was going to end up P7 because the Aston really did fall off at the end of the year. And the cars that and the drivers that finished behind him, LeClein, Norris and Science had very quick cars at the end of the year. but somehow Fernando Alonso bagged that P4,
Starting point is 00:32:21 it's almost like he's the greatest of all time. Had to get it in there. But yeah, P4 in the championship, when you're, I know his teammates, Lance Stroll, but when it's fifth in the constructors is damn impressive and showed that he was, a lot of the time, was just over delivering in that car. And I think his consistency was the most impressive thing about the year,
Starting point is 00:32:43 those podiums at the start, the fact that he was just banging, him in it all the time was so good. I feel like your passion for Fernando actually outweighs mine for Shal on this podcast. I'm not going to lie to you. There's a lot of just sneaky little big phrases that you just throw into the mix about Fernando. It's, yeah, I'm enjoying it.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Keep it up, mate. We'll see if he can challenge next year. And I hope he can. I hope it's a Fernando Alonzo, Shal LeCla, Max Verstapp and World Title Fight just to see your own brain figure out who you want. to win and it would definitely be Fernando so I don't know why I'm even saying that but yes I can't wait I hope Aston just spent 12 billion next year and actually just fight and spend even more than he did yeah I'm worried I can't wait for the cost cap 1411 as we head to P3 Tommy needs a miracle and Lewis Hamilton 234 points I predicted P5 didn't think Mercedes would be a
Starting point is 00:33:46 as quick as Ferrari. And arguably, I think Hamilton's performances were the difference here rather than the car itself. His teammates kind of shown where he could have ended up, had it not been for some incredibly well-executed races over the year. So yeah, well done, Hamilton. You did better than what I expected. Same for me, but I did P4. So just one higher.
Starting point is 00:34:12 I've got a point, 144 points you've written in the seat. hopefully not and yeah I mean Hamilton like you say he I don't think P3 is a fantastic
Starting point is 00:34:24 result because I don't think the Mercedes was even though they finished second in the constructors they weren't
Starting point is 00:34:29 anywhere near far clear in that constructor's title and as it's 1412 I am banking on you predicting
Starting point is 00:34:38 Sergio Perez to win the title I was about to say that I was like with two left have I
Starting point is 00:34:44 actually But accidentally put Perez as the World Drivers Champion and thrown away the easiest victory of my life. Well, let's go to P2, Sergio Perez, with 285 points. And yes, I did indeed secure him as runner-up, P2 in the Drivers' Championship, which didn't look like it was potentially going to happen with all of the qualifying performances. Hamilton closing in, then of course it sort of swung very aggressively after Hamilton got disqualified in Austin and the dream was over for Hamilton to finish runner up.
Starting point is 00:35:24 But yes, Perez, we've nailed it P2 and that's a bang on performance. Has Tommy also gone for Perez P2? Yes, I have. And our logic was spot on here. After testing, we were all a little bit worried that the Red Bull would be very, very, very, very, very, very, very quick. And it sure was, obviously, having that record-breaking season
Starting point is 00:35:51 where only one other team won a race. And, of course, you'd be absolutely crazy to predict that Perez would beat Max over a championship. But, of course, at the start of the season, there was that talk of Can he do a Rosberg when Max had that failure in Saudi. That talk was coming out of your. or mouse, sir.
Starting point is 00:36:14 That was my pessimistic brain thinking like, Sergio could just finish second every race and then win the ones that Max retires in and be fine, but instead, yeah, he dropped off quite significantly during the season and then had a decent end to easily wrap up P2 in the end. It's crazy to look at the points and actually think that it was ever in doubt
Starting point is 00:36:36 and there was so much talk of like Paris isn't somehow going to finish P2 because he so easily did it in the end. And yeah, P2, Sergio Paris. Okay, then. Everybody hold on to their horses. Have I accidentally predicted a driver transfer and a new world champion? Nick DeVries.
Starting point is 00:36:58 Yes, maybe. Here we go then. P1, Max Verstappen, 575 points. It's 1614. And I went for P1, which was bang on. Thank God. I literally came into this thinking, God, did I put Charlotte Claire first?
Starting point is 00:37:12 Did I put Charlotte Claire first? I couldn't remember. And I'm so glad. Well done past me. I'm congratulating myself right now because I knew for these kind of things, I've just got to lock in what I actually think rather than what I really wish for.
Starting point is 00:37:26 So yes, P1, Max Verstappen, and let's tick off the bingo card. What else is there to say? Because Max Verstappen, 575 points, double Sergio Perez, and he is inevitable, hence why I put in P1 as well. well. Yeah, I've also gone P1, Max Verstappen. We did a good job again to say that we'd just do our random predictions. We've been very close with all of them this year. That was another close,
Starting point is 00:37:54 close fought contest. Congratulations. But well done. You've won again. Enjoy the money. Yeah, I, of course, you'd have been crazy not to back Max after the end of the year he had. And then it was quite clear from, I know you can't normally tell in testing, but there was a lot of talk from testing that's like, oh, Red Bull are really quick, like really, really quick. And of course, even, which is crazy to think about now, there was that whole Bahrain curse and like, oh, Max has won the first race. No one ever wins the first race and goes on to win the title, but he is inevitable and he just walked it after that initial. It wasn't even, even a blip after his pathetic two seconds from four races,
Starting point is 00:38:45 where one was a failure in qualifying and the other was a badly time safety car. He just went on an absolute mad one, and then it was only Singapore that he didn't win. So, yeah, easy dub for Max. Absolutely outrageous from Max. Well done. And an easy dub for me, 1816 in the end.
Starting point is 00:39:08 Never in doubt. So thank you, Tommy. Thank you, everybody, for watching and listening to our reaction to the 20th to first Drivers' Championship predictions. We'll, of course, do it next year as well, see if we can improve on our scores. Tommy, what are your final thoughts, sir? Final thoughts are, I hope you enjoy all of us reacting to our washed opinions and stuff. And we will go through the bold predictions that we made.
Starting point is 00:39:40 at the halfway stage and also reflect a little bit on the ones we made at the start of the season as well. Because I know we already reflected them at the halfway stage. We can finalise them as well. And one thing I really want to do, which I'll get in the sheet and we can reflect on, is I'm going to make a little table, and we'll probably turn it into a social clip as well, but your biggest flop and see what happened to them in every race. Yes. We have to look at that in our predictions, like, reflection and see what actually happened because my god if you didn't have biggest flab i probably would have won our predictions by about 20 points because that just got you just got that point every
Starting point is 00:40:22 single time it's so true yeah i can't wait to do that that might even be its own its own podcast or video i'm not sure but we'll uh we'll have a look and see but thank you everybody we'll see you very soon hope you're surviving without formula one we're trying to and we'll keep you entertained as much we possibly can and we'll see you soon bye is a Stack production and part of the ACAST creator network.

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