P1 with Matt and Tommy - Reaction to Singapore GP qualifying

Episode Date: October 4, 2025

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the P1 podcast with Matt and Tommy. It's qualifying time. It's Singapore. We've seen a session that maybe not as close as we thought it was going to be after everything that happened in FP3 in particular. But it was still a very entertaining one, wasn't it, Tom Bellingham? It was. It's always a bit of an anti-climax when you get the, basically, the first run in Q3 as the pole position. kind of battle if you like um obviously george improved but but no one else was really going for at that point so um yeah it was uh it was still a very intriguing grid for sure um you know if you'd have told me this was the order my word like might just happen being two tents clear of the mcclaren's

and somehow i'm like slightly disappointed like what what world are we living yeah the result but maybe just swap the two drivers on the front row because you know i've got another match That's a staccum, T-shirt on for this podcast. Now, before we dive into everything, it is one month today until we go and do our first delusion tour show over in North America. Of course, heading to Canada as well.

So if you want to get your tickets, you better get them soon. Fourth of November is Seattle. Fifth of November is San Francisco. 10th of November is Denver. 11th of November is Dallas. 13th of November is Toronto. 14th is Chicago.

And 16th is Brooklyn in, New York City. We'd love to see you there. There will be a link in the episode description, as well as the YouTube top comment, not top comment, top description, top comment. I'm going to chuck it everywhere. But it's a great show. We do a lot of different things. We have a lot of fun with the audience as prizes to be won, a lot of audience participation as well as bringing some of the podcast source as well, Tommy. And to be honest with you, look, if you compare a podcast episode to how we are during a live show, it's rather different, isn't it? It's a little a bit more unhinged. Yeah, we get good chat, but also chaos as well, which is always good.

And as well, it's sort of shaped by the audience, you know, having like controversial opinions and stuff like that. We don't know which way the whole show is going to go, because it depends what you say down the microphone. Right, let's head into first and foremost, Q1, where the bottom five drivers were Bortoletto, stroll, colapinto, Ocon, and Gassley. The main notable thing in terms of an incident, I suppose, was Gassley, of course, having a car issue at the end of the session where his steering wheel got heavy, everything just broken. I've just got to spare a thought for a second for Pierre Gassley. He must be having such a torrid time in that Alpine, like he's committed to them, which I think is a fair enough decision for a driver like Gassley wanting to be a number one

driver at a team that is Alpine, it's Renault. You know, they are not a small out of the back of a shed type team. And it is an absolutely diabolical season for Alpine. And it just continues. The woes continue for Gasly. Yeah, the start of the season, Alpine didn't feel too bad and it maybe felt like they just weren't delivering the points now,

but it very firmly feels like they are just rock bottom. And it is just a case for Gazley. And whoever their teammate, you know, whoever's going to be in that Alpine next year, it's just kind of riding that storm until we get to 2026 and then hopefully with Mercedes power and new regulations there'll be a lot better put for the moment alpene are just absolutely woeful yes very much a tools down just see what you can do drive around this year have a bit of fun and then we'll do it properly next year that's that's their hope anyway next year is our year is what

a lot of teams including Ferrari tend to make you think a question from p.1 on patron member Tony Soprano, is it really that hard to investigate a yellow flag infringement before the next session starts? Well, this is obviously speaking about Russell, is it Holcomberg and then one other driver, Sonoda, Portolete, there was quite a few of them. They cleared Russell, didn't they? They definitely did during the session. Yeah, they did a few of them during the session.

They were kind of like working their way through it during the session. But I guess the argument is, had it been a penalty, they're already through. And obviously one of the big ones here was Yuki Sonoda. I mean, he ended up 15th anyway. But, you know, he gets through and then other drivers are probably thinking, well, you know, we should find out now because I want to know if I'm going to be getting through into the next session and might be able to do something. You know, Lance Stroll might have been right.

robbed of a 15th place there. He tries to say completely and utterly seriously. I will say that, yeah, perhaps, I don't know if they do. Sadly, we don't have a window inside the stewards room, but a priority of the first thing to sort out would be where the Bortoletto was knocked out unfairly by Yuki Sonoda. What I don't get here, though, is that if we can, you know, we're watching in the UK on Sky,

and if Anthony Davidson's got this footage on the Skypatch, and can see that Yuki Snowder's lifted or whatever. The stewards must have that footage already if we can all access it and see it. But they do. But they need to have... No, but they don't because they're not speaking to them, are they? No, no, but they always love it. Yeah, but just make the decision. Bring your tax bill, your water bill with you as well.

We need to analyse your entire background before we make any decisions. You need your whole backstory before we do it. We need that camera from turn three, which is only available by a ladder and you get the SD card out of it. Like it's just still very archaic and it's a continuing frustration, isn't it? Yeah, it should just be a case of they watch the footage back. We see they all lifted off and then go, okay, you're all clear, done, move on. Or equally, if they hadn't lifted off, you know, I mean, speaking of lifting off before we get into it, I didn't actually put this in the sheet, but Lewis Hamilton obviously, you know, escaped that,

that penalty, which was quite a shock as well, if you've seen the footage. I think a lot of people, including myself and even I think Lewis Hamilton fans himself, thought that's going to be a slam dunk penalty for speeding in practice. Yeah, yeah. From Free Practice 3, it was a bizarre thing to do, I think, on Hamilton's part, to just speed away after Lawson crashed. His pit engineer literally saying attack the pit exit, pit entry, sorry. All of this stuff under red flag conditions.

Now, obviously, he was cleared because of the fact that he did not go. faster than the amount of time he was allowed to take between where the red flag was shown and the safety car line and things like that, similar to how a VSC works. But at the same time, I'm watching the onboard going, how is that deemed safe? How is that something that under red flag conditions can be allowed where a driver can be full throttle and attacking the pit entry? Just because there's a red flag and he's driven past an incident, how does he not know that there's something else going on as well? Hamilton was fine. It's more about the rulings than what Hamilton necessarily did, but it was cleared and it was fine, and he managed to out-qualify

Shal and we got on to that. Other things to mention, yes, Lance Stroll, your biggest good surprise, Tommy, coming into this one, P-17 for Lance. Astor Martin, they were looking so good after free practice one, which is obviously the most representative session in the daytime around Singapore, but stroll out and he was not happy actually, was he? He was not happy in the slightest after Q-1. No, he said it always goes bad, but then he...

always goes better, put it in the wall. Not put it in the wall. A bit aggressive, yeah. Just lightly touched it. Lightly touched the wall on his way to 17th. Exactly. And Bortoletto, of course, you know, the whole Sonoda thing was a bit of a grey cloud

wondering whether or not he'd been unfairly taken out of Q1. But surprising to see him outqualified by Holcomburg quite substantially. As soon as I said, Holkenberg points. Bortoletto starts crumbling from the predictions. I know, and we're getting to Q2, Holcomb both qualified pretty well as well. So, yeah, maybe he took him personally when we said that he's not,

yeah, for all the people that are watching this first for some reason. But yeah, it's disappointing one from Borselaetto. I'm very glad that you didn't allow my prediction from the podcast episode, if you remember that, that was going to be Borstletto and the points. And you said it's not crazy, so I changed it. And took something even worse, so that's fine. I can't actually remember what it was now. Wasn't it? Well, no, Lance Strach was your good surprise. What was, what was it? Can you remember what your crazy reaction is?

I've got it here somewhere. And it was the Lewis Hamilton prediction of him getting a podium for Roscoe, which certainly closer to Fort Let's say points at the moment. So it might have actually been an inspired choice. You are welcome, is what I'll say to that one. Let's head to Q2, where the five drivers out were Holcomberg, Albon, Sines, Lawson and Sonoda. Holkenberg, very close to Q3, very, very close indeed. For the first time. Still hasn't been in Q3 the entire season, which I find insane. I'm like how? Nika Holkenberg was the star of qualifying last year, and he's not managed Q3 once when his teammate has on a couple of times, right?

I feel like that stat has flown under the radar a bit. It's kind of one of those where I've not heard that one. And yeah, it is shocking because, of course, he's got. all those really good points finishes. You know, it's had a few, like massive results, of course,

including the podium. But yeah, as we said, they were at the time, they were all from really low down the order. qualifying like 17th and 19th when he got his kind of P5s and his podiums and things. So, yeah, crazy.

Podiums, plural. Podiums. Yeah. Spoiler a lot. Maybe. I've seen the future. What's happening tomorrow? Can you imagine?

Both of the Williams were out in Q2 as well, Albon signs. they didn't have the cleanest of sessions it felt like. It just felt like Williams really not locks in. Of course, Albon had those problems in free practice as well, but close to Q3, they were separated by three hundreds of a second, the pair of them, but very much coming in potentially with my flop prediction. So I'm monitoring it closely because the championship is going down to the wire, as you know.

But a slightly disappointing qualifying for both Albonne and Sines, especially when Sines was looking at times quite quick. Yeah, I think so. Williams, I guess on paper this wouldn't be their more favourable circuit. So the fact that they're not too far off points if we maybe get some failures or they can do something in the pit stops maybe. They could maybe bag a point. So it's not like a complete disaster at the moment,

but certainly not their strongest weekend so far. And then Lawson, obviously I'm not massively surprised to see him down here after the torrid time he's had in practice crashing twice, ripping the exact same corner of the car off both times as well, the front right. So Lawton 14th, just ahead of his good pal, Yuki Sonoda, in 15th. So that will be a battle of the Titans. Yuki Sonoda, of course, struggling once again, but sadly,

and I hate to say it, but what's new, obviously he did have a bit of a resurgent. I can't call it a resurgence from Baku, because he was still miles off Maxis for Stappen. But he just made. He didn't make notable mistakes and that's why he scored points and he did a good job. But this circuit is just punishing him. It is and it shows that, yeah, unfortunately for Yuki that at least so far that as a Bajjong Grand Prix result wasn't like the kind of golden moment that's completely changed

his whole fortune. He's been really struggling this weekend. Yeah, I think, yeah, this circuit is all about confidence, isn't it? And if you don't have confidence in the car, you are going to lose time and that's what we've scene. Now, Q3, the top 10, Russell, Vastappen, Piastri, Antonelli, Norris, Hamilton, Lecler, Hajar, Berman and Alonzo. What a line-up, what a grid we have for tomorrow. Of course, Russell, two phenomenal laps. The first one was quick enough for pole position. He then improved by 7,000ths of a second, which again was clear and he was home and dry. Vastappen, he was a bit

wasn't he at the end of qualifying with not piastri as he as he mentioned with not piastri post-qualie interviews let's go to a question from p1 page remember georgina has russell proved he's a championship worthy driver with that lap i don't necessarily think one lap proves your worth as a you know championship winning driver i think george has just done that anyway this season for the for the most part he's had a great season he's been very consistent but he does need these kind of moments that someone like Maris Stappan has had where he excels and he did that at Canada didn't he where arguably the only chance that the Mercedes were quick and potentially able to win a race this year he took that opportunity and won and equally in this I'd even go further that I don't think that Mercedes are they the quickest car I don't think so I think it was just incredibly close between the Merks, the McLaren's and the Red Bull of like, you know, how it was going to go. It kept changing all the time.

And I think George Russell just delivered an absolutely brilliant, brilliant lap. So yeah, I already think that George Russell could well win a championship in the future. I think he's all ready to do it if he had the car underneath him personally. Yeah, for me, nothing's really changed. Like Russell will win a championship one day. I have no doubt in my mind. if he has a car and if Mercedes are as clear as everyone thinks they are for next year and Russell finally gets that contract that he's looking for, for sure.

I think he's got every trait as a driver to be able to deliver that. But again, it doesn't change with that lap, in my opinion. I think he did a phenomenal job, as I say. And I agree with you, Tommy. I don't think you can say Mercedes were categorically quicker. I think that he just delivered when the time mattered. the max was obviously very close as well. So yeah, it was very much, it's a driver's circuit.

It's, you can make the time up, even if your car is potentially on paper, slightly worse. Next question, people on Patreon member, TVR driver. Is this a statement for contract negotiations by George? I think people are blowing this way out of proportion, if I'm being completely honest with you. George will be driving for Mercedes next year. You can clip this up and bring it out when he doesn't. But there's no way in hell Mercedes are not signing George. I think this is very much just a case of George wanting a certain amount of years.

Mercedes may be going, actually, I can't only want to give you one or two just in case Max gets a little bit frisky. I think that is genuinely all it is. So there's no question marks in my head around where George is going to drive next year. It's just a case of probably George's team and George himself wanting to lock him into a team that may well enter another domination arc. Yeah, George probably shouldn't have said that he'd drive for free to win a world championship. Because it's probably like, well, okay, then. Yeah, look at the wind tunnel times of next year at the Mercedes.

You know, your contract is now zero pounds. But it's not, you know, he's going to be there next year, like you say. No doubt it is just fine-tuning it. And we know Mercedes likes to give smaller contracts. That's why Lewis Hamilton decided, you know, well, see you. Obviously the lure of Ferrari as well, but, you know, part of that was to do with that as well. And they want to kind of keep giving their driver shorter contracts. And, you know, we've had this conversation.

I think Alex Alburn, when we did the podcast with him, he said about, as a driver, when you've got a longer contract, it gives you so much more confidence that you can just put aside the thought of potentially losing your seat or even just the negotiations. He's probably sick of talking about it and hearing about it. But he's not going to lose his seat, is he? No, no chance at all. Next question. B-Nyle Zero.

Do you think Lando was aware of Max being on a lap? Seemed borderline from Max's POV? I'd be interested to hear the team radio I wouldn't be surprised if Lando knew it was Max I'm not saying you should get a penalty it's not a penalty he's too far away

it's one of those that we that he's not close enough for it to be warranted as an incident that he'll get a penalty but he's close enough for it to be kind of disturbing the dirty air because we know how difficult these cars are. And Max and Lando, despite, you know, last year, this constant like, oh, they're really good friends.

Yeah, it has been a little bit more spicy between them and, you know, they're having little digs at each other in press conferences and things. And there was the radio wasn't there of like, your mate, I think he said, GP said. And Max was surprisingly, like, very visibly upset by it for what looked like it was quite far away. as we know, it does really affect the cars, even if it looks like he's nowhere near. But as, you know, I want to make clear, it's not a penalty in a million years. It's just, it is what it is with that kind of dirty air situation. I think that Lando, well, he would have known that there's a car coming, for sure. That's all the team radio comms is.

You know, there's information so that Lando and any other driver doesn't block someone else and gets a penalty. I would be absolutely perplexed if Lando did that on purpose because the last thing you want to do is create an enemy out of Max Verstappen when you're challenging for your first World Championship that there is no way in hell in my head Lando would purposely try and give Max a little bit of dirty air because Lando would know fully

that Max would understand exactly what Lando has done as he goes flying past him. I think it's just a case of hearing in your ear four seconds behind, two seconds behind, whatever. Lando is obviously cruising back to the pits, but it's not a penalty, as we've said. It's borderline. And if he's half a second probably further down the road, we're probably not even talking about this. But Max had his lap ruined. Max then said afterwards that he's going to remember this and it's noted. That is the worst thing you need to hear if you are trying to

win a world championship against both your teammate and a very far in the distance, Max Verstappen. So yeah, as I say, I really, I'm giving Lando the benefit of the doubt that I don't think he's trying to do that for a competitive advantage because it makes no sense to try and do that. When Lando's already put in a lap that's not ahead of Max, so he's not even like he's trying to save his own position. Lando is behind Max as Max is on his final lap. So, yeah, it makes no sense to me personally. It is funny.

As soon as we heard that, it reminds me of a, you know, a gaming series where it was all like scenario based that telltale games, if any gamers have played that. and basically you like pick scenarios and if you say something it affects it and it says blah blah blah we'll remember this and that's exactly what that sentence reminded me of remembering anything that you've done no you really don't want to do that for him so yeah question for pew and pitch remember sophie three rookies in q3 in a circuit they don't race that in feeder series with tight walls and extreme heat is this a rookie class for the ages we've got some amazing rookies in Formula One right now. We're seeing that all year. You know, Hajar has been unbelievable. Bortolett has had a fantastic season. Kimmy Antonet has had a tough year, of course, but we know what he can do.

Antonelli, I think, left some time on the table. You know, this is another weird one where he's actually, on paper, P4 is great, but he's four-tenths off George. So he's kind of flattered a little bit. from that. For me, the rookie star of that session was actually Oli Behrman. I think it was a brilliant performance to be P9 when Esteban-Lak-on experienced teammate is all the way down in 19th. Hadjar, I think, maybe even P6 was on the cards. He made a mistake. He was very, very frustrated. We were kind of joking. That poor steering wheel just gets absolutely beaten up, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah, we,

we joked, didn't we off, I think it was off air about how Hadjar the only reason that we don't have these explosive like old school Yuki Sanoda messages is because he's not pressing the button to actually broadcast it. Yeah. Otherwise I think it would be some very loud, high decibel screams coming from the car. But back to the question around the rookies, it's brilliant to see. The fact that, yeah, we have had some mistakes from inexperienced drivers as well in free practice and I personally think we may well see some again tomorrow. especially as the heat sets in,

the fatigue. It's a very long race, which you can't prepare for. You really can't until you go out there and do it. But, you know, Hajar has been impressive all weekend long. Olly Behrman, I think that was a performance

that came out of a little bit of nowhere, to be honest with you. And to put into Q3 was brilliant. Obviously, Fernando Alonzo as well. You know, that was a great drive from him in his first season. And then Kimmy, yeah, I echo your thoughts there.

fourth felt like a bit disappointing. I think third was easily on the cards. You saw a replay, I think, of his final lap. He was wrestling the car. Look how close he was to Piastri as well. Yeah, perhaps overdriving it a little bit, 13,000ths of a second behind Oscar. So for Kimmy, a little bit left on the table,

but overall, yeah, the rookies are really talented. And I've been an Olli-Berman stand from day one. I can't wait to see if that ceiling, you know, that glass ceiling could just be broken through and then he starts winning races. Next question. P1, pitch. Blackson, has McLaren truly fallen off?

So if we're calling third and fifth fallen off, perhaps. It is, this was the litmus test for me. This was a have McLaren at two very, well, of course, you got Monza, then you had Baku, now you have this, two in the sets in the terms of Monza and Baku together, and now Singapore, very different characteristics of track. and they looked poor this weekend. In terms of overall speed, I think both of the drivers admitted

they did not have four tents in the pocket to go and still pole position. I think that they will still be strong in the race. It just is, as we've seen so many times, but I think even more so here at Singapore, the dirty air is going to cause just carnage with the tyres. McLaren, I think they'll look to go long,

as long as they possibly can, to try and get some free air. but then again, I think all of these drivers will go as long as possible because the undercut just does not work around tracks like this. I don't think they've fallen off, but they do not have the advantage that we got so used to seeing in the first half of the season. I think Red Bull is not a fluke.

They have figured out something with this car and they continue to bring upgrades. They brought an upgrade to this weekend as well as I think Mercedes as well. It's going to be fascinating to see how the next seven races go, where McLaren, they've wrapped up the constructors, of course they have. But with the drivers, they should in theory have the drivers wrapped up as well so they could tools down, but they can't tools down because if Max first happened wins the title from here, it could be one of the greatest bottles from a team in...

One of it's got to be the... It was the... Easily the worse. So this is such a difficult thing for them, because if Max takes a few more points out of them, still very much in the distant championship hunt territory. What do they do for next year? When do they think, right, should we actually try and improve this car a little bit for the last few races?

It's not as simple as saying, oh, well, you know, have they fallen off? It's what do they do from here if they genuinely think that their car has lost its advantage? True. Yeah, they should be home and dry and easily, really, of the advantage that they've had this year. and I think they're only kind of good fortune, which they're not going to be happy with being nearly four tenths off pole position because we just don't see that from McLaren,

but lucky for them is that, even though Max was a couple of tents clear, which will, of course, worry them and continue that narrative of the fact that they are nervous about him, Max starting P2 with Russell on pole, had Max been first, you know, I know I know there's still tomorrow and at a turn one, but it's, it is very kind of, it's good for McLaren that Max is second and Piastri's only, only third and there's not other

drivers that have kind of slotted into that, to that gap. So yeah, I'm very surprised at McLaren and how far they, they've kind of fallen off here, you know, fallen off, as you said at the start, being third and fifth is not it's not massive but you expect them to be one to at this track and be really really strong here like we've seen for most of the year and they just they certainly aren't they certainly are not and the final question thing to ponder on is how does max vastappan play lap one tomorrow i see it in my mind's eye right now wearing my max vastappan eras tour t-shirt I say mine, it's Ellie's. If Max Verstappen has one millimeter of his front right wheel

to the back of George Russell's left rear wheel, he is sending it up the inside into turn one. There is zero doubt in my mind. It is his only opportunity maybe to beat George tomorrow, in my opinion. I see this being very much a Canada situation where if George keeps the lead, I think he'll be very, very difficult to beat. But Max, we know, even if he sends it to the inside

and they both run wide, there is a question to be asked of who was at the apex first and we'll go into the details of the rulings again but yeah I think Max goes full guns blazing that's just the way Max is I don't think he'll ever really drives cautiously but this is such a huge opportunity if Max wins George second Oscar third that is 10 points and that's exactly the 10 points he needs in every single race until the end of the year to win the title by one point thank you very much

I watched back actually know a little bit more as a sprint as well yeah true I want I want watched back previous starts of Singapore to see, you know, how much delusion I should have I should be on the hype train and things like that. And I kind of wish I hadn't because second does not go well into 10-1. It's very, very difficult. Even though you have the inside line, it's very dirty offline because it's a track that doesn't get used very much. You know, it's the street circuit as well. That line just never gets used. So it's such a, and we saw Max starting second last year, Talando had the inside and he was actually covering off P3.

So he's going to have to basically get a really, really good start on George to be able to challenge. Maybe the better bet is after that first section where you kind of, you have that fast right-hander down the straight and maybe a dive bomb into there. But all being said, you know, Max has happened is going to go for it. He's got nothing to lose. And realistically, like, three points on Oscar Pastery isn't going to be enough, even though this circuit should be a damage limitation one for Red Bull in theory. He needs to start eroding the lead massively and three points won't be enough.

So he needs to win the race if he wants to have this amazing championship comeback, doesn't he? Chuck a set of softs on or chuck a set of hards on, go insanely long. Yeah, you do wonder if he'll gamble because, let's just let's have a set of softs on or chuck a set of hards on, go insanely long. Yeah, you do wonder if he'll gamble because, position at the start and just, you know, because the hard's worked so well in Baku. Well, they did, they made that gamble, which, you know, you can argue is because he has nothing to lose and he might as well go for it. So yeah, he has the opportunity of like, well, why not go go for soft to try and get into the lead first or equally go hard and if he

loses P3. Yeah. Yeah, probably get a VSC and an early pit stop, a cheap pit stop. It's, yeah, there's a few decisions to be made there for sure. But as you say, It could be fascinating on strategy, I think, weirdly. Stacked against him with the fact that he is on the dirty side of the grid. Right. I cannot wait for tomorrow. It's going to be awesome. We'll be live on Twitch and YouTube.

As always, Matt P1, Tommy to go and find us over on Twitch. And on YouTube, of course, P1 with Matt and Tommy. Tommy, what are your final thoughts? Final thoughts? I can't believe Ferrari are so S that we don't even talk about him anymore. What do you mean? I talk about my boy, Max Verstappen, and he was on the front row of the grid,

looking for a championship comeback. And Ferrari, I watched the Shao LaClaire post-qualie interview, and I went, okay, we're done. Let's just pack our bags and see you in 2026, because he looked depressed. Hamilton was saying that the process at Ferrari is just not right in the sense of how they use their tires, and he sat at the end of the pit lane,

and he's losing five to six degrees. And it just, again, we talk about it so much, the communication in that team just feel, so broken Hamilton not even in one season, crazy. Yeah, because Hamilton is clearly he said he's losing half a second due to the tyres. That's genuinely what he said.

He didn't think it was in the car. So it's yeah, but that's just that is Ferrari at the moment sadly. I would love for it to be different but it is not. So there you go. Thank you everybody for listening and watching and we will see you soon. Remember get your P1 live show, delusion tour tickets.

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