P1 with Matt and Tommy - The most heartbreaking F1 fan moments of 2023

Episode Date: December 12, 2023

Not only did Max win everything, but there were also plenty of heartbreaking moments for various other drivers across the season. And what's the best way to deal with that heartbreak? To talk about them - so here we go!You can sign up to our Patreon here! You'll get access to exclusive episodes you won't hear anywhere else, every P1 episode ad-free, full driver interview videos, early access to tickets and more!Follow us on socials! You can find us on Twitter, Instagram, Twitch, YouTube and TikTok. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello everybody and welcome back to the P. One podcast. With Matt and Tommy, we are back once again. It's still 2023. We're still waiting for Formula One, but we thought we'd do quite a sad, sad bit of content where we look back at the most heartbreaking moments from the Formula One season that we've just endured.

Well, endured for me, Tommy, you've enjoyed it in the grand scheme of things. How did you even pick a moment for yourself that endures heartbreak? You had 19 minutes this season. We're about to find out. But yeah, we did our best moments, of course. And now it's time for the painful ones because I thought we've just done our live shows. And a lot of that was looking back at some of your Ferrari pain. So let's relive it all over again.

Yay. Thank you, mate. Really appreciate it. Cheers. God, you really do like just open. printing up my heart and seeing what's in there, don't you? Love it. Now, before we dive into the podcast, we've got a wonderful five-star review from Dagon in Canada. If you want yours to be read out, please leave us a five-star review. Let's know why you love this podcast, and we may well read yours out

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you've constantly battered me. And this was, I actually said in the live show, this was the worst moment of my life. And you're like, let's explore it again. It's the Brazil formation lap. I will never. I will never recover from this one, purely because it was a moment that caught me off guard. You know, when you go into a race, you're like, oh, you know, is my driver going to get taken out?

Is he going to have some sort of issue with his car? Is his team going to not pit him from, you know, potentially hard tires at the end of the race when a safety car gets thrown to, you know, to win the race? No particular examples obviously there. nudging towards. But in the formation lap, you feel safe. You feel warm. You feel hopeful, optimistic.

Even as a Ferrari fan, you're like, today is the day where Charles LeClauer actually wins a race. And then, of course, you know, even he had fresh soft tires as well. There were so many things to look forward to. And then it was like, hard cut, Charlotte Clare in the wall. You then proceed to be like, I don't know what to say, or whatever you said.

in your usual squealy self whenever something happens when Charles Leclair ends up having something bad happened to him and it was the definition of heartbreaking not because I thought Charles could win I don't think he could. I think he would have led the race for maybe two laps and then

the inevitable Max Verstappen comes through and wins the race but it would have been nice to have a podium would have been nice for him to at least do one lap of the Brazilian Grand Prix. It's crazy that I've said this in the live shows as well, that, you know, that could only happen to Charlotte, Claire and Ferrari, really, like the formation lap, for goodness sake. They're not even going quick, and yet he's in the wall. Because my initial thought was like, oh, no, has Cheryl done

something wrong here? Like, this is going to be embarrassing. And then you found out that it was the car. You should have had some sort of insight into my brain at that point, because I, as a Charles, Claire, Stan, is thinking, how do I defend this one? If he's lost it into the wall, I'm in big trouble. Yeah, fair. It was gutting because, like you say, our expectations were quite low for battles for the win and things like that. But to not even get to do the race is gutting.

Is it, mate? I don't feel the emotion. I don't feel the emotion. I feel like you just were like, that's another social clip in the bank. Thank you so much, I'll see you next year. Yeah.

We'll find out if they can do worse next year. No, 2024's our year. It is. I'm ready for it. What about your... I mean, let's see what your most painful moment was. Yeah. Apparently there was one.

There was one. It was actually really difficult to pick, and that's not me gloating. It's just because... I actually found it quite difficult because for me, there wasn't that standout moment. moment where maybe like a midfielder was going to get a podium and then like broke down or something. And it was like, oh, that's so, that's so painful. So the one that stands out for me is that Fernando Alonso didn't win a race. And I know what you're all thinking. Oh, boohoo. Max won 19 races.

Because no one really won a race. But I think going into that first race when Fernando, we, we thought, oh my God, this Aston Martin good. And then he was getting podiums, but when he got that podium in Qatar for Alpine, it had been such a long time coming. You're waiting for him to be on the podium again. He was in a midfield car, so it's unexpected. But then when they were getting podiums, you're like, okay, let's get a win, come on, or a pole or anything. And there was a lot of hype. Of course, the whole like, Win 33 became such a meme at the start of the season. It took off mass massively in Spain, even like a Spanish tennis player was like 33 when or whatever that you wrote on the, on a camera or something in some tennis thing.

In some tennis thing. In some tennis thing. You know that I love tennis. But yeah, Fernando not winning a race was a bit disappointing in the end because it would have been so good to see him win after all that time. And I was so hyped for it. And I was like, it's going to happen. He's finishing second all the time. I imagine that's what a lot of fans felt.

Lando fans, Hamilton fans, whatever, because they were getting a bunch of second places, but one guy kept winning. He certainly did, but I don't feel any kind of sympathy for you, Tommy. You know, well, boo-hoo, as we say, you know, seventh in the constructors in 2022, and your most painful moment was Fernando Alonzo not winning a race in 2020.

If you just said that at the start of the year. That's crazy. Right, moving on to some actual heartbreaking moments for fans that genuinely did struggle. First one comes in from Zoe Love Ricardo. I wonder what this is going to be. When Daniel broke his hand, like we just got him back and then he's gone. Now, I would actually say this is a very close second for me in terms of emotions that I felt. Obviously, you know, I want Charles to do really well.

And that was, as I've experienced and told you, it was a gut-wrenching moment. But this was also a really quite upsetting moment to see Daniel Ricardo in Zandvort, you know, just getting back into Formula One, getting back into the swing of things. We're all absolutely buzzing for him to be back. And then he goes and breaks his hand or whatever it was exactly in his wrist. And it was, it was really heartbreaking because you saw Danny Rick then in the paddock. And even he, you know, tries to put a little smile on, but you know deep down that he's absolutely gutted. And I think most people were.

We were all excited to see how well he could do, how quickly he could get back up and running. And, yeah, he had to go away for a few races. But that did, in turn, kind of open up quite a, I guess a wholesome storyline of Liam Lawson getting an opportunity and then him being able to perform the way he did. So I guess on the flip side of that, it allowed for another young driver to prosper for a few races

and potentially has secured his F1 future for the few, F1 future for the future. Yeah, good one, Matt. So yeah, but it was very, very sad. Yeah, it was. The fact that, like you say, he just got back, we hadn't really seen what he could do yet

because, of course, he got caught up in Hungary as well in an incident that wasn't his fault, then came through the field, and it was like, oh, Danio Ricardo's quite quick. And of course, at this point as well, Perez was really struggling, probably going through the worst part of his season. And, you know, there was all this talk of, oh, well, if Daniel comes in and starts

really delivering this Alphitari, this could be, make things very interesting in the driver market. And what happened instead was, yeah, didn't even get to see him and then came back, did a few races, but it meant his season was very stop-start. And it still, I still don't feel like we've seen the, which is crazy to say because he got that amazing P4 in Mexico, but the best of Daniel Ricardo and he's shown that he can deliver again. I'm just looking forward to a full season next year where he can show what he's got. Absolutely. We now go to the next heartbreaking moment and this comes in from Huo L'un Vieira. Hamilton, DNF in Qatar and the disqualification in Austin. So not one, but two. I, I, I,

I don't know how heartbreaking Hamilton being disqualified from second place in Austin is, is really, in the grand scheme of Hamilton fans. If he'd won the race, absolutely. But the DNF in Qatar, I think that's definitely one way you go, ah, what if? Because he had a great start. He's then, you know, all three wide into turn one, then turns into his teammate.

And basically squander's not just a potential Hamilton win, maybe. But also, George Russell was then put on the back foot. as well. So it kind of ruined both Mercedes chances of maybe challenging Max, a track where, you know, it was incredibly intense for the drivers, as we know. And that was one where Max was reasonably vulnerable, just purely because of the fact they had to stop and they couldn't, the rebel couldn't use the kindness that that car is on the tires to their advantage. But, but yeah, I can see that Hamilton fans are kind of just sat there going, really? We still haven't won since 2021 Saudi Arabia.

I mean, I'll go to 2024, Mad. Yeah, they have to get a win next year. Qatar, agree with you there that I think that that's the one where it is a proper light, what might have been. We mentioned McLaren a lot, of course, in that race of what if they'd qualified better for the main race and could they have fought Max? But Mercedes were there and were obviously side by side going into that first turn. And Mercedes's downfall has always been.

in that they qualify like fourth or fifth and then have great race pace and Hamilton. It's shown it so many times this year where he's had great race pace and finished second, but he's qualified too low down the field and not been able to do anything. And George Russell had actually a really good race despite the damage at the start and dropping all the way back. And that did show that Mercedes did have some good pace. So that is probably one of those that you look back on and go, oh, just maybe. we could have had that Hamilton-Vostappan battle that we all dream of.

It's funny, isn't it? Because you think of this and you go, oh, if only they've done this, if only they're done that. And yet people are so quick to sort of shrug off Max and his perfection this year when other teams are making mistakes. They're messing up in qualifying. They're messing up in the race. They're messing up in strategy.

And yet Max delivered 19 times this year. And people are like, well, that's the car. I will back. to the hill with this one, that it was the most amazing season we've ever seen from a driver. Okay, let's go to the next one, which is from Yank the Mike. Honestly, it was Charles Engine in Bahrain. It's so horrible to feel done in the first race of the season.

So Yank the Mike is, in fact, my burner account, and every Shal one is to do with me. But it was one of those where you've just healed over the course of the 2022 off season after that season's finished. You go into 2023, you've predicted Charle-le-Lehr-World champion and a little P3,

15 points on the board, we can build from there. And then he pulls over to the side and stops. And you're like, 2024 is our year. I agree with Mike. It was one of those where you went,

oh, really? in the first race, come on. Yeah, I think that was a moment where you even said like, oh, it's done. And then to make matters worse, in the second race of the season was where he had that, where he'd already used some of his engine allocation

or something and already had a penalty. And yeah, you'd kind of been like, well, there's no expectation like it's done already, which is like this person said, like just absolutely heartbreaking. And yeah, it's gutting for Charles because it does seem to just be like, why him again? Like, just ridiculous.

Yep. Thanks for bringing that one and mate. Really appreciate it. Okay. I'm sure it's the last whole hero of Shell. We now go to Colkey Doe, who comes in with seeing Hass fall more and more after each race, especially towards the end of the season, the dread of knowing that they would fall to last. So Colkey is maybe a bit of a Hasse fan.

I do feel for you because I think they're the only team that if you do support them, you have less hope than what Ferrari could potentially offer because they just had a car that was a Ferrari, but even worse, so that their performance was less, but they still had even more aggressive tire wear than any other team in the field. So I totally get, Colkey. It's, to be honest, why would you even tune in? As soon as you see,

you're like, oh, Holkenberg's done an amazing Q3 appearance. I wouldn't watch Sunday. Just stop on Saturday, which is probably advice I'd say for Ferrari fans as well, because Charles LeCler would have a lot more wins. So, yeah, I think Saturdays is where we stop watching for Hassan Ferrari fans. This has just made me realize that my most heartbreaking moment

probably should have been the Holkenberg, where it went to count back and he didn't get his podium. Hulke-Berg's fourth is what Tommy said, if you haven't seen that clip during our Twitch watchalong. Yeah, you became the... It was quite something. Biggest home. I saw it. I thought it was going to happen.

And I wanted that underdog story, which is why it was difficult to pick one, because, yeah, like, Hasse. I guess, yeah, if you're a hardcore Hass fan, it did get to the point where... And even if you're not a hardcore Hass fan, and, like, we were watching it going, oh my God, Holkenberg's put it like seventh on the grid. And it literally got to the point where you got to the end of the season and it was kind of you were like, well, it doesn't matter. What's the point? He could literally get pole and you'd go.

Yeah. And they wouldn't get a point. They wouldn't get a point. It's absolutely dreadful. Yeah, so it sucks. Hasse were praying, I think, for 24 sprint weekends next year just so that they had a race where they don't have as much tire wear. I can't believe they didn't even do anything in the race

Qatar where everyone had to pit three times as well I was like, that's your chance to surely do something. Of course they got some points in the Austria sprint which was probably his most impressive performance Hulk but that's because they, I think they were literally forced to pitch. They were one of the first.

It ended up being the good strategy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Hardcore has fans, I really do feel for you. NM33 underscore SG8 comes in with Monaco Grand Prix and that Fernando pit stop. Like, if he got inters, he would win. 33 was never that close. I'm surprised this wasn't your moment,

but that's because you didn't believe at the time that him pitting would have actually won him the race, whereas I categorically said from the get-go and still say right now that if he had, he would have won that race. And yes, that is heartbreaking, because Fernando, if he gets into the lead at Monaco, and Max Verstappan is behind him,

Fernando is winning that race. Fernando's either winning that race or both of them are in the wall. There is no way Max Verstappen wins that race. I'm sorry. Interesting. Yeah, I think another thing to look back on this race is obviously in qualifying when Fernando is on provisional poll. And yeah, it was conflicting for me because obviously when Max did that pole lap,

it was like, oh my God, he's pulled off one of the most sensational final sectors we've ever seen in Formula One. And I was obviously like, wow, that was so impressive. But you look back on it now and go, that was probably like, because if Fernando starts on pole, you think he's going to win that race because it's just so hard to pass. And at the time, it was kind of like, oh, well, you know, he can't win every race. So it doesn't matter.

But then, of course, he almost did. He almost did. He really did. Yes. You know, poor you again, I'm going to say. Your two favourite drivers fighting for the win. Oh, I really, you know, if you want to talk, Tommy, at any point, let me know, because you really must be suffering. Next one, Sarah Gelfy.

Watching George go into the wall in Singapore, not necessarily a George fan, but that was so hard to watch. Felt so bad for him. I love how Sarah felt the need to say that they're not really a George fan, and yet they did find it quite difficult to watch. Imagine, yeah, being a George fan and seeing that, because for me, it was a bit of a missed opportunity. I thought George, especially when he got that run on Lando, was going through. And I am so surprised that he didn't manage to make that move. It literally looked done. And I don't know if it was whether Lando braked really late and managed to, you know,

just outperform George in that particular breaking zone or if George was a little bit hesitant on that. But either or had he got through there. he's getting past Carlos and he's winning the race. But instead, he hits the wall. Lando baited him into that. Absolutely. You know, clipping the wall himself did Lando. And George was like, I'm going to take a slightly wider line than whatever Lando takes.

Oh, God, that wider line is into the wall. So, yeah, it was very difficult to watch because George clearly was incredibly heartbroken. Afterwards, I think he was crying, wasn't he, in the post-race interviews. And, yeah, it was one again that Mercedes sort of let slip away. Yeah, definitely. This was one where I do, I do think George should have won the race. He should have got past Lando with the fresher tires. And I think it would have been obviously 10 times more heartbreaking if he'd have been leading the race.

Because essentially, even if he finishes that race third, I think he'd have been gutted. Not as much, of course, but like he'd still have been gutted because it would have been a case of like, oh, I could have won that, definitely. So it was gutting for either way, but then, yeah, I think the most heartbreaking thing. And this is a trend for maybe a lot of the newer drivers. They are so self-critical and harsh on themselves. And I remember, yeah, George being like, am I an effing rookie or something like this? And he was really, like, beating himself up over it.

So, yeah, it was a tough watch. Certainly was. I purity underscore YT. It was very painful to watch Max Verstappen not winning the Grand Prix of Singapore 2023. But somehow I will find a way to cope with that. Sad face, just so sad,

and then another sad face emoji. I feel your purity. It was tough. It was tough watch. Absolutely. Just suck an egg, can't you really? That is just unbelievable. The funniest thing is I couldn't tell

if this was... Real or not. I could tell if this was sarcasm or genuine. I feel like the two sad emojis and then just so sad. I don't feel like it. I can't tell if it's even a Max fan or not from their profile. It was funny. Yeah, but yeah.

It wasn't funny there, was it? Oh, you know, you missed out on how many wins in a row then? It would have been 18. It would have been 18 in a row. 18 is insane. Yeah, because now I look back. I do actually, there is part of me that's like, oh, that would have been insane, wouldn't it? No, Tommy, because then you think, how the hell are we going to hype up 2024 if Max is on an 18 win streak going into next season?

True, but there is part of me that because the season was so not great, that you might as well have just let Max have them all and it would have been insane to watch. And then Formula One announces in 2024 that they have received a minus 86% drop in viewership for the next season. But yes, okay, well, purity, I don't feel at all. all sad for you. And in fact, you know what? That statement is...

It's crazy to think, though, if Max wins the first four races of next year, he breaks the windstreet? He breaks his own win streak, which is just bonkers. That doesn't seem like like the most outrageous thing, does it?

So we'll see. But it will be outrageous. Perez will be the goal. Perez? Yeah, yeah. He'll start the season again and win the first six. and we'll be like, oh, it's going to do Ross Vegas,

then it'll be 18. If Perez wins the first six, you'll have a longer win street than Hamilton's ever had. That is wild. That is mad. Next question. Next comment. Pack of Jacks.

The Thursday fiasco at the Las Vegas Grand Prix. First race in person, and my pessimism told me, as soon as the drain incident occurred, it's all over, will not get more running. Stayed until they kicked us out anyway. That hurt for a lot of reasons.

Then Ferrari had to eat it to boot. Nasty. Do you mean eat the... eat the I don't know what phrase that is but I guess Ferrari

just had a bad race and got the pain maybe either or yes that was that was savage and I'm sure a lot of people that were there on the Thursday

would submit that as their most heartbreaking moment especially with the amount of money that they would have put towards that that Grand Prix weekend we were very vocal over that

last Vegas race weekend and we totally feel the pain for those fans, not just because there was no more running, but there was running, but they were kicked out. And so it's like literally the worst. I don't think there could be a worse scenario for not seeing running

than they're actually being it, but being kicked out. You're not allowed to be there, yeah. You're not getting a refund because you just saw eight minutes of free practice one, but here's a voucher for a store that will get you a hat. Yeah, it sucked big time. I felt sorry for people. we had fan questions during our review saying, you know, they've driven 10 hours to get to the race

and seen nine minutes of running, appalling, say. Yeah, that must have really hurt for the fans. It's always, you know, we've gone through a lot of heartbreaking moments for drivers, but when the fans get screwed over, that is just the worst because we wouldn't have F1 without fans, so. No, we would not. Next up, live grr. As a Mexican fan, almost a whole.

season. The pinnacle was Mexico GP turn one. That is a Czechos fan that we've got coming in there. and look, Checo still got his seat. So that's promising for 2024. I don't think he can have a worse season as a Red Bull driver. And he's saying he wants to go one better next season, which, I mean, to be fair, if he's asked it, of course he's going to say that, he's not going to go, I'm going to turn up and finish second. Thank you. So. Yeah, yeah. It's just like Bottas, right? They're always going to say it.

Yeah, of course, Bottas every year. I'm going to win the championship next year. All right, sweet, mate. See you there. But yeah, it was difficult for Checo, but hopefully he's learned his lesson for whatever reason he was off the pace for so long this season and can give us some kind of fight next year.

Yeah, this one must have been gutting for, you know, the Mexican fans that turned up to see Checo win. And unfortunately, the he should have not done this but the pressure of the and the expectation of perres being like such a superstar in Mexico having obviously a great car and he we said this during the the race podcast he saw his name in lights and he even said it himself you know I had to go for it but it's like you've not been on the podium for ages just bag a podium and you get that amazing celebration in.

But he saw his chance to take Max Verstappen at turn one, and it just went so badly wrong. He saw his chance to take Max Verstappen. We hadn't even taken Charles LeClaire at that point. Like, Jesus. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, it was bad. And the fact that all those fans had paid their money to probably be there

to watch Checo and see what it could do, and it's all over at turn one. Like, it doesn't get much worse than that for a home star. No, and I'm sure Sergio Perez regrets. maybe in hindsight doing that. But yes. He'll have another go next year. Jack Driki comes in with the entire Carlos Sines

Abu Dhabi weekend and the last lap penalty in Melbourne. I mean, the Abu Dhabi weekend, I don't know. I guess he had that crash in free practice and then the whole weekend was pretty dire. And I guess in Melbourne is the lot. In turn, cost Ferrari second in the Constructors Championship. So I can understand maybe the weight that Carlos Sines fans would have felt because I guess in some ways him having a poor weekend was slightly responsible

for then Ferrari not getting second in the championship. But the last that penalty in Melbourne definitely for me would be more heartbreaking as an isolated incident just purely because of how upset he was on that team radio and felt like it was one of the most unfair penalties ever until he got another really unfair penalty in Las Vegas and then that was the most unfair penalty ever. it feels like science couldn't really catch a break this season in particular moments. Yeah, I'm not, Abidabi is kind of like, oh, well, we said it before as well that science is absolutely taking finishing seventh in that four car battle, but being the one that actually

got the win this year. But the one in Melbourne was tough because that that radio and hearing it, almost in tears, but it felt like it was in tears, was tough, tough to listen to. And he just basically saw from such a small mistake and loads of people went off and there was kind of chaos everywhere, you know, Logan Sargent yeated someone at that turn and they didn't do anything. But the fact that, yeah, he essentially was on for a podium and then and it was all taken away from him. It was tough.

For all Australian listeners, I'd like to severely apologize for Tommy's pronunciation of Melbourne. I've been roasted for many years. I've been roasted for many years for calling it Melbourne. And I've managed to, in my head, I'm like, Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne.

So I just want to apologise because I know there will be messrs. I might start writing Melbourne in the sheet. Yeah, if you just do Melbourne, that's literally how I try and see it. So yeah. Okay. There you go.

Right, next one, Drew Mackey. Lance Stroll continuing to stink. Canadian F1 fans have had a hard time rooting for a homegrown hero for some time now. Yeah, and I think the kind of, it's not just the poor performances, but it's kind of the attitude that goes with it as well. I feel for Canadian F1 fans that genuinely are trying to support Lance Stroll, and you're like, how, how do I, what's actually going to happen here? but I mean, Lance had a good sort of end to the season

and a little bit more like his, I was going to say old self, but his old self would actually perform occasionally and get some pretty decent podiums in crazy races. So he'll be back next year and the year after and until he literally fancies retiring in 2057. So, yeah, it may be next year, but I think similar to Sergio Perez,

it's a very... Next year is my year. Yeah, it's a very difficult task to outperform your teammate when you have Max Verstappen and Fernando Alonso next to you. Yeah. Lance did all right against Vettel and had those moments. But yeah, he got absolutely owned by Fernando this year. And he came back towards the end and put in some decent performances to kind of very similar to Perez, really,

in the fact that he kind of started off the season, not doing too bad. Then it all went downhill in Monaco. then just continued to be rubbish for ages. And then at the end of the season, he kind of put in some performances where it just kind of quieted the narrative of him being a bit rubbish. So yeah, it's tough for Canadian fans.

I don't know how the country that gave us, Gilles Villeneuve, has produced Nicholas Latifie and Lance Stroll. But, yeah, tough times. You just have to embrace just being, meme drivers instead. Fully Savage from Tom Bellingham there. Love that. And finally,

R2F1, the TV direction. Just that's it. That's all they said. Yes. We had some very questionable moments, didn't we, over the course of the season. One of our big

takeaways from a boring season where we know Max Vosapen's going to drive away as the tyres start to go off is stop showing replays at the start of the race. Please, if there's anyone out there listening that has any influence, stop showing replays on lap three. That is when DRS is enabled. That's literally when it's enabled.

That is when there is action. That is when there is tension. We can look at lap one replays on lap six or seven when things have calmed down. Please and thank you. Yeah, 100%. This is probably not heartbreaking. infuriating.

And yeah, particularly that last race where we didn't complain too much in a while about TV direction, there were still the odd moments where we complain. And then just the lap three replays is such an easy fix. The other stuff, you know, it can't be an easy job when you're following other sports, you've got a ball and you can just follow and that's where the action is. But, and Formula One, there's things happening all the time. So you can understand that they're not. going to catch every single moment.

And they do a pretty good job of getting replays and things like that. Because if you watch Formula One back in the 80s and 90s, it's just like, this guy retired. We've not seen him come into the pits or his car on fire or anything, but he's just out of the race. So they do a better job there, but they just have this very dated idea of showing constant start replays. and it makes absolutely no sense because that's when all the action is, because DRS is enabled and the cars will be literally the closest

they will ever be for the whole race and have the overtaking aid. In fact, if you picked the worst possible time to show a replay, it would be that lap, and yet they continue to do it every year. The only other worst time would be halfway through lap one. It's lights out and away we go. Let's see that again.

And here's the replay again. You do wonder. don't you. And I think as well with that, you speak about, you speak about dated sort of, I guess, mechanisms within what they do and whatnot.

I feel like, you know, and you make a good point. Formula One, there's action going on all the time. So why do we stick mainly with one camera? Why is it always, there's action there, we're going to focus on that. Now, we have had two boxes before,

and I know that there is the F1 TV package that they love to kind of push and be like, well, if you want to see more on boards, like Sky, I feel like has only just been able to have onboards again because I feel like we've had onboards for about 10 years and then last year they were like, so if you'd like to have all 20 onboards, you can press the red button, it's like,

what would you mean? That's not groundbreaking. Like I feel as though we are behind where other sports are in terms of being able to provide more information. They can show two side-by-side things of stuff, happen in a race or the Olympic games where they're doing a running race and you can watch the person that's going to get the gold medal while also, you know, whoever the home hero is or whatever at the same time. Like other sports do it, but they're just like, no, one

camera. Yeah. And I feel as though it's, there's clearly a cork in the bottle somewhere, whether it's F1 being like, no, Sky, you can only do this amount or, you know, obviously just general broadcasters and then on F1 TV, they do more. But obviously in the UK, we can't access F1 TV. So that's, null and void, we have to deal with what we get given on Sky. But there's so much more information out there that could be fed to us, especially as hardcores, that we love, the telemetry, the laps, the mini-sectors, whatever that you might want to have as your, your sort of viewing, for your viewing pleasure. And for the amount of money you spend to watch Formula One as well, with the Sky packages or whatever you might pay for. Why do we get such limited data for such a

difficult sport to comprehend and understand. It just doesn't make sense to me. And I would like to see it improve more and be given more stuff. Like even, for example, whether a car, a driver is on new tires or use slash scrub tires in qualifying. Why can't we be told this stuff just with a small graphic and things? I don't get it. Technology is there.

It's a sport that more than ever is bringing so many new people in. And if they're watching it and don't understand what on earth's going on earth's going on and missing all the action, then they're not going to keep watching, are they? And there might be an argument, oh, we don't want to overload them with information. But then when the commentator says that,

or doesn't say anything, and then you see Max Rastap and go fastest by seven-tenths because he's saved a set of new soft tires and everyone else is on used tires, and then you go, well, Max is going to get pole then. I don't understand. Why is he so far ahead? He wasn't that far ahead before.

And these are all new fans that they might hear the commentator say it, And you're like, but what does that mean? Like, you don't get fed that bit of information. But look, I've started popping off there. Apologies. As soon as you said F1 TV, or the TV direction, I had to weigh in slightly. Yeah, it is a problem.

And hopefully, hopefully next year they sort it. Just like Ferrari. TV direction. Next year will be our year. We will incorporate a mini box, not just to show Lance Roll pitting. Fingers crossed. We'd love to. So yeah, that is it.

Thank you, everybody, for watching and listening to this heartbreaking reflection on the 2023 F1 season. Tommy, what are your final thoughts? You probably don't have any because you weren't heartbroken at any point. My final thoughts are, I know you feel sorry for me, but don't worry. I'm going to go cry it out that Max didn't get those 18 wins in a row. and I'm going to go lie down and have a little cry afterwards, so I should be better for the next podcast.

I honestly pray for your downfall. I really do. I hope 2024 is horrendous viewing for you. So yeah, I am praying for that more than I am a Charlotte Globe World Championship. So let's see how that goes. Thank you, everybody. We'll see you very soon for another video slash podcast slash whatever. And yeah, nearly Christmas as well.

And the P1 live shows were fun. Thank you if you came along to either London, Glasgow or Manchester. it was amazing and we've got new dates being announced probably at the end of January so so bye P1 is a stack production

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