Pablo Torre Finds Out - An Intoxicating Share & Tell with Katie Nolan & Alcohol Expert Jason Wilson

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

A PTFO listener sends Pablo on a mission to figure out which athlete-branded booze is best. Is it James Harden’s wine? Steph Curry’s bourbon? Can we finally end the LeBron v. MJ debate with a tequila tasting? Pseudo-expert Katie Nolan and real expert Jason Wilson help Pablo get drunk very quickly, and also get to the bottom of whether athlete alcohol is delectable or douchey. Also: spitting, dumping, loam, and a champagne HR violation. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. I feel like we're all going to be friends for a long time, right? At least for a moment. I love you guys. No, shut up. I love you the most. Right after this ad.

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Seriously, please do give us a call. It is how we recently got this. A. Pablo, people deep and broken. It seems like every employee now is trying to swing some version of their own hooch. And initially, I'm saying, man, man, this stuff. must be terrible. But then again, booing

to the kell ain't that pet. So my question is, would I be annoyed or excited when I think James Harden's face on a bottle of peat? I'll let the bottle show. All right, let me know. Thanks, then.

And that's a great question. Thank you to Zique for asking us. Should I be annoyed or excited when I see yet another athlete with their own signature alcohol brand? Okay, so what I know about a wine and tequila, especially, is that they have basically replaced the candy bar as the product that a pro athlete

is most likely to lend their name, image, and likeness to in 2024. I remember at one point, in the early 90s, my parents went on a work trip to Detroit, and what they brought home for me was an Isaiah Thomas candy bar. Yes, a chocolate bar, a real thing that existed for human consumption, and it's a very weird collector's item in retrospect. But now, What's happening is that a guy like James Hardin live streams from China, and he sells out 10,000 bottles of his signature wine in apparently like five seconds. Oh my God. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. Some of that. Go to a job. Five minutes. Ten thousand bottles. Five minutes. Five seconds. Within five seconds.

Yeah. But as. for what Zeke, our Zeke, wanted to know, to answer that question honestly and journalistically, I feel like what I needed to find out was something I did not know, which is whether any of this athlete alcohol is actually any good as, you know, a drink. And so today's episode of Share and Tell called for some outside counsel.

And it's also why, by the end of this episode, which you can watch or listen to, everything does get kind of blurry. I'm afraid of what we're doing here today because of Zeke from Brooklyn. I have not drank what we're about to drink ever at all. And I brought experts to help.

So I want to start to my right, Jason Wilson. You have a resume that involves praise from the New York Times for writing. the best wine book of the year twice. Wow. Godforsaken grapes, 2018, the cider revival, 2019. Also, he wrote a book called Boozhound,

which was praised by Anthony Bourdain himself as, quote, superbly informative, entertaining, and deeply subversive. Wrote a newsletter, everyday drinking. Katie Nolan, this is the resume. I'm like, oh, shit. Senior correspondent for the new wine review.

He's written for the Washington Post, New Yorker, wine enthusiast, traveling leisure, many other publications. Jason, thank you for being here. Oh, thanks for having me. I'm looking forward to this. And then Katie Nolan. And then there's me.

And your resume is what? I've drank on television related to sports probably more than most. If not all. I've run a beer mile. What else? There's been a lot. You're a drunk historian. Oh, I did drunk history three times.

Hello. I'm Katie Nolan. And this is the story of the Blackhawks. Blackhawks? You want to do Blackhawks? Black Hawkdown? I feel like we should do... Should we do the baseball thing instead?

Then you do the Biaskheim, we'll do Blackhawk Down? God bless Josh Hartnett, though. I remember when Madison Bumgarner used to chug beers after they would win when he was on the Giants. I did six beers but put straws in him so I didn't waste any, and I chugged six beers at once. Done! Do you want me to prove it? Do I have to prove it? Do you want me to prove it, or are we good?

I'm prolific. I'm the Danielle Steele of drinking. on sports television. And a former bartender. And a former bartender, yes. Yes. Yeah. So I'm, I also have cred.

And Anthony Borgaine once said of me, who? So we're on the same plane. And so we're going to over-deliver here, as we like to do on Pablo Tori finds out. We're not going to give you a review of James Hardin's stuff. We're going to do that. Plus so many more things that create in totality, the most irresponsible expense report, I think in the history of Metal Arc Media. So what are we starting with guys?

Can you come in with, I guess, the wines? We want to start with the wines. The wine division? Yes. We definitely need to start with the wines. I bet you really can taste when something's cheap and when it's good, and I can't. Oh, this is the James Hardin wine.

Thank you, Cortez. Thank you, Patrick. No, I'm going to just admit a bias, you know, to start off. You came in from where, Jason? From Philadelphia. Yeah. What type of a wine does it claim to be, a cab? Jay Hardin, 2021, California, California.

Cabernet Sauvignon. Got it. A wine with swag is what the press release says. James Hardin had a desire to make quality of mind more accessible, diverse, and inclusive, and to share his personal wine journey with fans worldwide. Jason. A little how to taste. Please.

Oh, yes. You got to do the swirl. I mean, we have plastic cups here, but, you know, it's fine. Nice legs. Do the little. Are there? Right? We don't look at legs.

Damn, okay. All right. Nice ad. We do this swirl. Yeah. And then you give it a little sniff, a little sniffy sniff. See what you get? It smells oaky.

Okay. Katie had that one ready to go. Do you do the air thing? Yeah, yeah. I didn't know if we wanted to do that. Tastes like juice. Oh, a little spit cup. Oh, that's right.

We'll spit. That'll be the only spitting today for sure. Oh, okay. Okay, hold on. Did I ruin it if I've already had a sip? Oh, but you can take another sip, you know. It's okay. The ASMR is more a part of this than I realized.

Oh, and then you deal with what it feels like in your mouth. Yeah, exactly. Mouthfeel. What's a cab supposed to normally give? Is it all cab? I don't know. It says a cab so. Yeah, it doesn't say it's a mix.

And he says also, if you're new to wine or an experienced enthusiast, I believe that you will love these wines as much as I do. I don't know what the price is, but it's nice enough. Like, it's a nice kind of, you know, it doesn't, like, a really, like, expensive, nice cab would have, like, you know, more serious, like what they call tannins, you know, like the sign of feeling of, like, the dry. Yeah, that like dryness it feel like. And then, you know, would have like a little bit of like a longer finish to it.

But I mean, this is pretty simple. This was, this ended prematurely as far as I can tell. I'm like, okay, that was that. I mean, is it the obvious. Happens to a lot of wines. Yeah. Happens to a lot of James Hardens as opposed to it. Yeah.

This finish didn't show up in game seven for sure. Yeah. What are we thinking price point? We're going to guess. We're going to guess price point? Okay. Well, I mean, just simply because it's from California and it's James Harden, I think it's like more expensive than just like an everyday wine but like i would say i don't know 20

dollars maybe 20 dollars is 1799 yeah yeah 8 yeah 18 99 yeah 21 um in between 17 and 20 okay so we got it we all got it except you nailed it except for me so god damn it prices right rules you have but this is i mean i think for 20 dollars for a california cabernet it's not bad it's not It doesn't, it's not like, you know? It's not like blare. Which I've since learned, you know, when they give you the, like, take a sip of this at a restaurant. It's not to see if you like it. It's like, is it spoiled or not?

And I don't think I've ever had a spoiled wine because to me, I get everyone kind of taste. I've never said, ugh. I know. Give me another one because I have a very good. I don't think I'd even notice. I think if I drank a spoiled wine, I'd be like, tastes great. Thanks so much. Speaking of never saying no, what is the next wine?

Oh, yeah. Already. All ready. So much. Are you going to dump? Are you going to just, no? Yeah, but imagine if you had to taste like 100 in an afternoon. Thank you, Patrick.

Imagine. We got Pablo. Staying in the NBA. The label says, Chosen Family, 2022 Reserve Pino Noir. This is, I am told, from Kevin Love and Channing Fry. Oh. They have a noted winemaker, Chase Renton.

I don't know if that means anything to Jason, that's a guy. I think it's, uh, yeah, yeah. They're on a mission to connect people from all walks of life through the collective passion for amazing wines community in life. I guess everybody says stuff. Why can't everybody just be like, I wanted a wine that tastes good so I could tell people I own a winery?

Yeah, exactly. They're here for a collective passion. That's right. All right, so first we do this. Yeah, do this world. We don't look at the legs. We don't object. Well, we can look at the.

On my nose. Well, this smells different. Now, what is this supposed to be? Is this also a cat? I think it's a piece of Menoir. Yeah. So, I mean, for me, that smells a little, now this does smell a little oaky on the nose.

Okay, wait, let me agree with you? Yes, of course. Okay. Oh, I forgot to spit it out again. What is the difference between a Pino and a Cabernet? A cabernet is going to be a little bit more like full body. The Pinoa is going to be a little bit lighter, a little bit lighter in color. It's like a pretty dark Pinoir, actually.

Yeah. And where did you say this was from? California. Willamette Valley. Oh, Reserve. Lammat Valley, Oregon. Oregon. Yes.

Oregon. Oregon. Oregon. Yeah. Where your Pino in the U.S. comes from. Exactly. Oh, really? Yeah.

Yeah. You know, it's pretty, like, big for, like, a Pino noir. It's, like, a little bit of, it's a... Big. An athlete's Pinoir. For sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

We're going to have to translate what the expert means. Pienbrot noir. Pimbrot, yes, exactly. They'll get better as the wine flows. It's a little bit more expensive of a wine. It's probably meant to, like, age more because it's, like, you have, like, you have a lot more oak on it, you know? Also, it feels, like, sweeter at the end of a peon of a peon of a peon.

normally is for me. Yeah. Like good pinos should be like a little earthy, should be a little fruit. You know, like the fruit should be there, but it should be a little earthy as well, a little like. I don't think he likes it, Kev. Yeah. I don't think he loves it. Have you met Kevin Love in person?

Either of you? No, have you? I'm told he's like the nicest guy. Yeah. And just, we'll say, striking. Good facial architecture. And just a sweetheart. Well-lined beard.

You got married at the public library too, New York Public Library. Saw that. Loved that. Sarat Jessica Parker style. Very jealous of that. Yeah, back in the city. Was it true that he and LeBron James had like a falling out over like a wine tasting? He said, you know what?

It's a little bit oakier than it should. This is a real bro wine. This is an athlete's piano noir. Yeah, I don't love this, but I... But maybe it's too young. Maybe it's meant to be aged. I don't know, you know? Like, you know, like, let it sit for five years or something.

You know, maybe, I don't know. I think it's more expensive, though. I mean, it's like so... Let's do that game. I think it's probably like 35 or... Next. I'm so sorry. How much is it?

$40? $35, $40 maybe. And you think that's a good price for it? Do you think that's what they're charging? Great question. In your personal opinion. I mean, I think they're... It's what they're charging.

It's what they're charging. I mean, I think it's like just like the grape and the region. It's just like that's like what it would be. 27? So I'm going to be the person who just gives you guys the real answer here. Okay. And Jason is nailing it, $40. Wow, it's almost like you've done this before.

This guy's a ringer. C.J. McCollum's heritage. Oh, I love C.J. McCollum. I've heard good things about this one, actually. So it says McCollum across the top, a big age for heritage. Okay. 2021, Willemitt Valley. So this is all...

All these guys are up in Oregon making the Pinoa Noir. Yeah. Yeah. Blazer country. I think... Shout out to his dog, who I think is named Fiona. All right. Now, look at the... Okay, now I don't like the nose, right? You don't like it.

No. You like the oakier one. What's this one? You're a little bit oaky. You're like, this smells more fruity, earthy. Forest floor. It smells a little bit like a wine fart. Fallen leaves. Foraging. Yeah, this smells like... What's that? Mushroom foraging. It smells like peat moss.

You're in the forest. It's got a little stank on it. I'm sorry. It does. Is it stank or funk? Oh, I don't. What's the difference? I don't know. Then funk. In that case, funk. You can't fake.

the stank, I believe the saying goes. I kind of like the stank, quote unquote, stank. I don't hate the way it tastes. It's a good tasting, though. Yeah, I don't hate the way it tastes. I didn't like it smelled. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It feels like it's enveloping my tongue.

Does that make sense? It is. I feel it on like all sides of my tongue. Relatedly, Katie Nolan hasn't dumped any of the wine that she's been tasting. She's... Not a bitch. I mean, I mean, I was only demonstrating the spitting.

Yes, of course. This is what it describes itself as. Red rose petal, cinnamon bark, fresh boisenberry. A deep... Did you get the boisonberry? No cinnamon, but I got the boisenberry. This is my favorite part. A deep bass note.

A freshly turned loam. Loam is the word I was looking for when I said, that is exactly right. That's what's enveloping your... Yeah, that's what makes my mouth feel dirty. A longer finish. Much longer finish. And the stag will blow off.

Yeah, it's just... It's truly just the cent. He's got to air it out for a second. Air it right. Yeah, I like this. I like this quite a bit, CJ. Jason? CJ, we want a price?

Yeah, that's right. I'm guessing 50 plus. I don't know. 50, 60. Yeah. This man. It's good at this. I know.

Has nailed it 55. Nice. Nice. How have we not said tannins yet? He did. We did. Oh, you did? That was like the first thing.

I'm also kind of drunk at this point. Do you know what a tannin is? It's from the skin of the grape. That's right. Wow. I did, clearly. You should write a wine book. Skin of the grape.

Yep. It's the, you know, it makes your mouth feel like. Exactly. Oh my God, I feel so bad. The sun's still out. I've got to go home like this. And we're only on the first round. That's right.

We haven't gotten to the other stuff. We haven't even started the bourbon yet. Sick. So, Katie, what did you like? Consider the price point. You know, I liked them all. I liked them all. I think that, and I hate considering the price point, because I wish I didn't know, I would pick this one anyway, I think.

But I, knowing it's the most expensive, I think it means I'm right, but I do like this one. This one's very good. It's very interesting. I could see myself drinking it and finding something new to like about it each sip. Yeah. Yes. A little tad hole hiding in that. It pays back your attention.

Yeah, there's something floating in it that I'm going to get out, but I don't hold that against CJ. That might be a you problem. It seems like it might be. What's your favorite? I mean, this is my favorite, but I mean, is it, I don't know, is it worth $55? Yeah, I think so. I mean, but, you know, the James Hardin one is not bad. I'm going Hardin.

Really? Because I have, shocking you and your integrity. I have zero tolerance, essentially, and that felt like something I could just sip on, and it costs very little. Yeah, that's true. And it feels like that would be a nice night. Me having spent not a lot of money on a thing. Just you and James Hardin's bottle. James Hardin's

picture on a whole flopping just staring at the bottle I feel like in order I would go this one hardens and then that other swill I'm just kidding Kevin Love it was good

I was just a joke It was just a joke It was good It just wasn't yeah yeah yeah yeah No I agree I think I think we're consensus here And that means we're right

Because he's Do you hear what Anthony Bourdain said about him? Lomi I think he called him Lomie Yeah It's pretty cool He's loamy, like the floor of the forest. Very elegant tannins, that one. What do we got next?

Bourbon. Looks like something higher proof is coming in. Oh, no. Oh, my God, that's the same poor as the wine. Yeah, this is, you guys are fucking with us. Signature Woodson Bourbon Whiskey. Wow. Charles Woodson.

Not Darren. Who also makes wine, I think. Well. With a name like Woodson. This is his white and silver signature series. Okay. 40% alcohol. Okay.

Is that standard for a bourbon? A little low. A little low. Get your numbers up. It says six-month accelerated-aged Kentucky bourbon. Now what does that mean? So it's like in a vacuum or something? I'm thinking maybe, I don't know.

So I don't, I shouldn't, you know, there'll be bourbon people jumping down my throat. Sure. They're normally just a very relaxed bunch. Yeah. I think it's like aged at a smaller barrel so it would be quicker. Here's my thing. That feels like something you do but don't tell. I don't feel like you go, hey, we did this.

We cheated on this. You want it to feel old. All right, Charles. All right. How do we eat? Okay. Okay, so a little bit, you don't want to like just slam it around like with the wine because it's going to just, you're just going to get a face of the alcohol.

But like a little gently sniff it and little sniff it. Let's some wrist and elbow into that. Yeah, you got it. Come on. Look at that. This smells like... And then... A work party.

It does. This smells like I'm having a conversation with an executive. Oh, that's so interesting. This sounds like I'm about to say, so where do you live now? Wife, kids, how they doing? Yeah, yeah. Schools? Okay, this is...

It's got a little bit of caramel. A lot of caramel. A lot of vanilla. A lot of... So that's all from the barrel And I think that's from the accelerated aging To be honest, yeah So the barrel's doing a bunch of the work here

The barrel's doing a lot of the work here There's a sweetness Almost desserty, I would say Super sweet Super corny Like it's like there's a lot of corn in this I think You know Yeah

Is the word smooth appropriate to say Smooth is like this thing that like I think wine people hate Because it's like What does that mean? Yeah, oh, it's smooth. Or, you know. So no, Pablo, it was a dumb thing to say.

No, no. But I think it's okay with spirits because, like, it's rough. What would rough be? Right, right, right. Yeah. It's not usually a question somebody asks when I'm drinking bourbon, but I don't know. I come up with a couple of definite definitions. So we have this thing in Philadelphia called the Philly Special, right?

And it's like, you get a pass with the other guy. You throw it to the other guy. You throw it to the guy. Then you beat the patient. Nah, no, no. But that's, you know, but that comes from the Philly Special Special. special, which is the Papsley Ribbon and the Jim Beam. A boiler maker, essentially.

Yes. Oh. That's where the name comes from. Philly invented a beer and a shot. And putting cheese on meat on bread. It's $4.00. Yeah. So unique. Brilliant minds. I love the city. I was only kidding. What do you see on the cash register, Jason?

Oh, in the cash register? I mean, it's bourbon, so it has to be expensive. So, I mean, and there's celebrity, so it's got to be even more expensive. I don't know, like 70 bucks, maybe. No, cheese. Pants, really? Ooh. I would say, I would say 32 tops. In between 47 and 50.

Oh, you were closer, I think, than I was. I don't know not a math guy, but... If you're a real bourbon dude, you go after, like, the single barrel, single cask, whatever, because it's, like, going to be, like, cast strength. It's going to be, like, 55%, 60%, whatever. And then, like, people who are real bourbon, people, like, want to add their own water to it. Like, thank you. Like, I don't need you, Charles Woods, and I don't need you adding water to the...

I will say this is very drinkable and I think that's not what I look for in a bourbon. I'm not looking for something to like I can sip it fast. Are we going to get to the like so in tasting there's this word mouth feel? Yeah, yeah.

I look forward to that. All you're describing is mouthfeel. Yeah, I must feel awesome about this podcast coming out. So it's okay. It just tastes like a baby's first bourbon to me. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's the training wheels

Bourbon, yeah, for sure. It's a starter pack. But it is like a little expensive for the starter pack though, isn't it? Yeah. What do we got next? This is a completely different color. It's a great cornerback.

Look at this. Oh, boy. This is more caramel versus this. This makes Woodson's look like piss. I'm just going to be honest. This is Gentleman's Cut. Oh, very nice. Gentleman's Cut.

Steph Curry brings us to Stamberman's Cut. Cheers. Aged at least five years. and helmed in Boone County. And what's the alcohol percentage? The alcohol percentage, glad you asked. 45.

All right, now we're getting up. Just a step. Just a step above. Gentlemen's cut. What's the cut referring to? These are the terms that I even know exactly. Is this what they talk about

with the angels share? That's a jeopardy question I got wrong. The angel share is what evaporates from the barrel over time. You guys are like political strategists. You liquor, people. Just coming up with these euphemisms for stuff.

How dare you. Right. How black mold grows in the distillery. Oh, that's the angel's share. Yeah. Angel's. Really? That's black.

It's mixed. Well, like, when it evaporates, this mold grows on the, in the distillery wall, you know, so it's like, yeah. Huh. Right. My bathtub in Hoboken is full of the angels share. There you go. I got a real angel share problem in my bathtub. I'm tasting some caramel.

Caramel. Caramel. Caramel. Carmel. I was trying to say it fancy. I doubt there's. caramel added to it. No, no, no, no.

I mean, there's vanilla. All of these, but it's, it's pecan. It is, it, like, okay, there's, there's a, there's a vanilla bean. Is it? Yeah. A seamless sip of honey. I mean, I think it's nice than the other one because it's a little more complex. You got the sweetness, you got the vanilla honey with a seam, I think, you know, but not

seamless honey, but like, and then there's the spicy rye. It's DoorDash, honey. Wee. The idea that Steph Curry. Gentleman's cut. Good name. Is it or is it douchey? Kind of douchey, but yeah.

Jason Wilson, what are you pricing this gentleman's cut at? I would say I would go with the same price as the last one. So, yeah. At least, at least, at least, I don't know, $65 to $75. $85. $80. No. $80 for Steph Curry's bourbon.

Okay. That doesn't surprise me. Yeah. I just wonder, like, when you're making a vanity liquor, a vanity bourbon. How dare you suggest that there's just vanity projects? Like, what, is this, is any of this supposed to resemble Steph, right? Like, how is this? How is he in this?

How is he reflected in the gentleman's cut? In the rye? Yeah. What is it? I kind of respect Steph Curry that he went high rye in the bourbon, though. It's like, you know. High rye. High rye.

Like high percentage. or rye yeah right hi rye hi rye notes of of uh your wife complaining on twitter about the referees during the NBA finals and when I do this I see uh spitting your mouthguard out at a ref yeah yeah yeah yeah uh I'm detecting a bit of uh of infantilization even though you're six foot three and the son of an NBA sharpshooter that is a daughter anybody could be this yeah daughter adorably interrupting your press conference right at the front of my mouth here Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what did we like the most?

Oh, that's it. It's these two? Well, then it's this one. Yeah, this one for sure. This is no offense, Charles. It's just like, honestly. That was just like, that was just like. Look at the colors.

Right. A spirit. This is actually like a bourbon. Damn, that's a bar. I think I'm drunk now. Oh, God. Are you guys dumping? I have to.

I can't. I'm sorry. It's the daytime. This cup. is this, what's in this cup now is the devil's share. Yeah. Oh my God, look how full his cup is. Oh, he's really been dumping.

Yeah. Guys, what the fuck? I'm hosting. Are you actually tasting? Oh, I am tasting. Okay. Mm-nom-nom, num, num, num, no. Oh, you little bitch.

All right, we're refining our pallets, a little cleanser. Yeah. With a tequila soda. Tequila soda? Tequila soda. A premix. These are brought to us by Travis Kelsey. What?

5% alcohol. His name is nowhere on it. On me, Casa, we use real tequila. That is how Travis Kelsey, I imagine, would speak Spanish. Cambailing out after three words, and mi Casa, we use real tequila. That's Yo-soi Fiesta. Yes, I'm wearing Los Blue jeans. I don't taste the tequila in this.

This is like the peach mango. It feels like a white clara. Okay, so I have the lime margarita. So maybe you're getting more of those notes. I don't taste that much of the tequila either. I will say it almost tastes like aspartame. It does. I don't know if it's...

It's a finish of aspartame. It's like a finish of like maybe... Oh, it says 100 calories on top. I was going to say it doesn't brag about that anywhere, but it does taste like fake sugar. It's not bad. I find with these tequila canned cocktails, stick with the basic margarita one.

Yeah, don't go crazy with your flavors. But I will say on some of those, like the Trulies, I feel like there's a passion fruit or something I really like. But I don't, have you seen they've come out with these now? Not these specific ones, but they're now doing like alcohol-free trullies. And you're like, that's just a seltzer. That's just a seltzer. It's something we've been doing for many years.

I do love a Selter. I know, me too, but don't do a, don't, you wouldn't buy a white clothe. Is it bad to drink mostly seltzer as opposed to just like in water? Like, is it a replacement of water? Yeah, or is it bad for you in any sort of medical way? And also, in my soul? I think it counts as water. I think it's spicy water.

Oh, why am I still drinking this? And now what is this we have here? This is tequila Lobos, 1707. Brought to us. Wolves? Yes, wolves. Wroves. Brought to us.

Plural. Brought to us by LeBron James. Oh, Lobos James. Reposado, it says. Oh, so that means it's aged in a bourbon town. No, it can be aged in. anything, but it's aged, it has to be aged one day less than a year. What?

It has to be... What if it's a week here? It's just rested. It's rested. Yeah, can you explain the difference, Jason, between the types of tequila? On Yeho, Repasado, and... And Blanco. Blanco.

Yeah. So Blanco, very simple. Unaged. Repazado is rested. So it's a little bit of age. Okay. Anyjo is like more than a year. You don't usually age.

Kila that much, but like maybe two, three years or whatever. And then there's like X John Yeho and there's all kinds of wild stuff that goes on there. And what do you mean wild stuff? Well, like, they... Kissing on the mouth? No. Much more than that. Oh, shit.

Damn. You wear masks. Oh, that's alcohol heavy. What is that? ABB though? This is 40%. Yeah, see? 40%.

It's not. But it smells like alcohol. You just called poor Charles Woodson's baby bourbon. and this is the same ABV. I'm just saying it smells. When you smell it, it smells like something I'd put on a wound. This is what Dr. Quinn Medicine woman would use to save the kid from the rattlesnake. This will cleanse my soul. Which came first?

Taco Tuesday or this? Did he do this because he was doing the Taco Tuesday? Is he still doing it? You know what it is? It's Taco Tud. It feels, as Ryan Cortez has pointed out, for the V. for the longest time, ethnically insensitive.

Yeah. And now here he is with a tequila. Can I say, I know we're not to go backwards, but I'm burping up Travis Kelsey a bunch. Yeah. I keep getting this strawberry margaria in the back of my...

All right. This is nice. It's nice, but it's a weird tequila because, like, all right, so, I mean, you have the notes over there. So is it aged in Pedro Jimenez's cask? Is that a genuine question? That's a genuine question.

There's a grape call. Pedro Jimenez. How did you know? That's amazing. Because it says PX right here. Oh. Petro Jimenez. This is how they phrase it.

I love the vocabulary of this. Yeah, yeah. This is what it is described as. After ruminating for over six slow months in American white oak barrels, liquid is blended with a touch of Lobo 1707 tequila, extra anjejo and finished at its leisure. Oh, so they put a little...

Finished at its leisure. Whenever it feels like it. So they put a little bit of the extra aeneho in this one is what you're saying, And then it finishes? All I know is that is that it's finished at its leisure in historic PX wine barrels. Nice.

Using the Soletta method. Soletta. And that is that. What the fuck is that? All right. So that's, here's like real wide education here. So it's like they, or spirits education, they put, they put the young in a barrel and they take some out and they add the old.

So there's always like this. That's what Aaron Rogers accused Jimmy Kimmel of doing. I'm drunk. They're going to give you a raise over there. Oh my gosh. And you're spitting, dumping. I'm spit. I said, I'm a lightweight.

And once sipped, it reveals its spicy, audacious character. Oh, it is audacious. It's audacious to do all this shit to tequila, for sure. Like, I mean, like, it's just a reposado. Just, like, make it a reposado. Like, I don't know. What's your price in this at, Jason? You're getting hammered.

What is your prices are such? Let's cut to the money. Listen. Listen, buddy. I'm here to find out stuff. How much are you going to charge you? 80 bucks. 80 bucks.

Wait, hold on. No, no, no, maybe less, maybe less. 65. Man of the people. But it's Reposato, so let's say 65. 55. Oh, okay. All right.

Thanks, LeBron. Bullardis, I believe. Thanks, LeBron. Thank you so much. On Taco Tuesday. Thank you so much. Now, the only drink I've ever been served by LeBron is a vodka cranberry. So this is a swerve.

You actually have been served a drink by LeBron James. He made me a vodka cranberry. I was mortified. It was at an espy party I was not invited to. I gave the name of a U.S. women's national team beloved star in order to get in because nobody knew. And that embarrassed our network, I think. But anyway, it got into this espie after party with my friends, Diana Rusini, and Cassidy Hubbard. So here I am at LeBron's party feeling very uncomfortable.

and he turned around and asked us if we wanted anything to drink. And I was ready to go, no, it's okay. Thank you, LeBron James. And Diana was like, you know what? We'll take a couple vodka cranberries. Of course Diana would. So he turns around and he goes to the bucket and he himself is like putting the ice in the glasses

and made us and brought us. And when he handed it to me, I said, thank you, LeBron James. What the fuck? And then I went to the bathroom. I texted everybody. I know LeBron just handed me a vodka cranberry. Oh.

And so we have one challenger in the world of tequila, and it is Cincoo Reposaro. Sorry? Miguel Jordan's tequila. A Jordan-Labron tequila are? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Look at the bottles. We just got a comparison. We got down these bottles.

Look at this. Well, in size. Talk about size. Yeah. Lord. Sincorro. Look at her. As a size queen.

I think. Size queen. Wow, look at the front of it. It's doing this. It's like showing its chest. This is like what's it called? What they serve on the spaceship in the movie Prometheus. It looks like Mrs. Butterworth got fancy.

It looks like Galliano, honestly. That looks like the bottle that's covered in dust at the bar that nobody ever uses. Sincoro tequila is all it says. It's a translucent bottle, you can see. So bowl? Sincoro. Oh, Sincoro. So what's that?

50? I speak for them. I don't know. I feel like Travis. No, I think there's like five dudes that made this tequila or something, right? It's like, yeah. Okay. That's good.

That's good. Reposato? That's the extent of my Spanish. You can't wait at me when I've been drinking. It's, it hits different. 100% de agave. What? 100% agave.

So it's just agave? Therefore, it can be tequila, right? Because it would have to be 100%. 40%. 40%. It's like you didn't have to tell us that, right? It's like an unnecessary. So they're both 40%.

This feels like a... This feels like you won the fucking national championship in some. Which one of these is it? What color is it? I don't know. It feels like a little bit like a pickleball trophy, but yes. Yeah, it's this one. Ooh, it smells sweet.

Foof, yes. Sincoro translates, of course, Oro, we'll break it down here. Oro means gold. Ah, so five golds. Five golds. Five championships. but he's one six. Yeah, not loving then.

Why would he name it that? Because there's five guys. Burgers and fries. Damn, damn, damn! You know that video? The guy reviewing five guys? It's my favorite video. Five guys, burgers and fries.

Oh, my goodness. I got bacon just dropping out. Damn, damn. That bacon is so serious, boy. He goes, damn, damn. Oh, I am... Uniquely made with Weber, blue agave from both the highland and lowland regions.

Okay, well, I mentioned the land at all then. Jason, they have been cooked and distilled separately, then artfully blended. Oh. Into a single exceptional tequila. Now, this smells, I'm telling you, smells sweet, doesn't it, for a tequila? Yeah.

Yeah. It's like very serapy. Yeah. Super vanilla. Super vanilla. Like a pure vanilla, like a pure vanilla, extract. Cremberle.

Okay. There it is. There it is. Oh, and then the finish is. Like a cigarette. What is going on? I see it. I see the vision.

I mean. There's like some regret. Yeah, this is, huh. I don't like this. It's like cotton candy. Yeah. Yeah. It's like.

Wow, this is. I don't want him to take it personally, but I don't, I'm not a huge. Yeah. I am shocked by how not enjoyable this is. How much I don't like it. And I have a funny feeling it's pricey. Well, I know his ex-Ginejo is like special one is like $5,000. But I don't know.

That can't be this. There's no chance. No, there's no. I love a card sign that. Sorry, damn. No way. Skipper was like, totally. Yeah, that's fine.

But look at this bottle. That's embarrassing. I'm sorry. That's embarrassing. He said that's embarrassing. The shape of this. Like, you know the meeting. The meetings they had, which they were like,

All right. This is inspired by... Is it five-sided? Is it a Pentagon? I believe it is. One, two, three... You're right. Yeah, they did that on purpose.

And then the... One, two, three, four, five. You're right. The top is... One, two, three, four, five. Fascinating. No, I'm going to give this a flat no for me. I don't like the way it tastes.

I don't like the way it's named. It feels like too many meetings. Not enough tequila. Exactly. It feels like brand ideation. Yeah, yeah. True, in true, uh, Da Vinci Code fashion, I'm noticing there's a message. Oh, what's it say?

On the, the, the rim here. Don't buy this tequila. It sucks. Ooh, that'd be pretty cool. It says five gold. Okay. Share truth. Share truth. Yeah. Well, you're fucking tequila sucks, dude. You told me I could say it. You told me I can say it.

It says on your bottle to say it. Your tequila sucks. I'm so sorry. Truth shared. Truth hurts. What do we put in this at? Price-wise. 90. I think they're kind of the same price, probably.

Yeah. No? You think it's more? No, I'm sorry. I just took a sip of it. Speaking my truth. $120. Yo, no.

That's silly. Don't buy that. Sorry. We broke Jason. We broke him. One of us. One of us. One of us.

Here's the thing. Don't write B. honest or whatever it says. I know. If you don't want me to tell you the 120's too much for that. In this economy, absolutely not. Damn, I'm boozed. Yeah.

I am lightly buzzed. I am. Lightly? Yeah, just lightly. I think it's time to cap it off. This is it, right? We're done. With a toast.

Okay. A toast. Oh, a champagne. My stomach is like, what the fuck? What is this? Why are you doing up there? What's going on? I'm like, sorry.

Really? This is just like a. Jason has to I used to do this I think you got to aim it that way after the soundproof part not the LED screen Sorry

My LED screen gets broken by fucking Isaiah Thomas's champagne Is that who it is? Cheerlin Champagne Nicely done That was very well done I didn't

I'm sorry for open with a whisper I'm sorry I never doubted you Okay it smells like piss I don't know I smelled the quark as one does and it's pissy. Yeah, I don't know. First of all, cheers, everybody.

Cheers! Cheers! Cheers. Cheers. Do you smell champagne? I don't see what the point of that is. I did, but I wasn't sure either. Drinkable?

I don't love the taste. I like that it doesn't bite in a way that sometimes champagne does, but it's... Zero bite. I don't love the way it tastes. So this is how they are describing this. He and his wife Lynn wanted a healthy... or great tasting champagne without the added sugar. What?

Isaiah is quick to point out, quote, it had to be reasonably priced, and it definitely couldn't come with a headache the next day. It took years. But that's exactly what we found in Churlin? I don't know. Is that a brand, Jason? I don't know.

What's about the sugar added? No sugar? Without the added sugar. There's no way there's no sugar added. It's champagne. Isn't that sweet by... Well, there is it like a... type of champagne that's like brute

natural. It's like no sugar. Like no no. There's always like this dosage that's added. And that's why they Doce. That's like with the horses when you do the dancing. Dossage. Mitt Romney's daughter loves dosage. She's big

on dosage. Yeah. Bruce Springsteen's daughter too. That's right. Really? Wow. That's a future episode. Write that down. Write that down, guys. Dosage episode. Yeah, you put a little sugar water in there. Like, that's how it gets all the bubbles and they put it away and then, yeah. Okay.

But there's also a way to do it without any of that. So he's saying he didn't put any sugar in this? What do you put, like, sugar free? He just claims to not have added sugar, deeply rooted in the belief. Oh, God. That a great champagne emanates from honoring tradition. Of course. Worshipping the terroir.

Teirwa. I knew we would get to terwar today. He's a thousand pounds right. Terwar. Like meat war And practicing sustainable agriculture Oh blah blah blah blah blah blah

Harmonize into a fresh and balanced flavor Mm-hmm Fresh and I would not call this fresh I would not call this fresh This champagne was was Allegedly This champagne should have never been hired To run the New York Liberty

Whoa this is an increasingly specific I've dropped my phone. That's how you know I'm drunk. And I spilled water on yours. You might want to pick that up. Yeah. Very good. What do we priceing all that at?

I mean, for the effort, a whole lot of money. Well, if it's champagne, it's probably at least... Oh, I don't know. This is Andre level? Reasonably priced is what he said. Okay, reasonably priced is Andre. That's $12.99. No, no, no, no.

It's not that. Because it's actual champagne. So, yeah. Wait, sorry. Andre's not actual champagne. No, it's from California. What does that mean? You say that like I go, oh, of course.

It's not. It's not from champagne region of France. What about Prosecco? So, Prosecco's not champagne. No, Kava's not champagne. Okay. You know. Yeah, of course.

It's just like the meme. It can only come from the champagne region. Why, yes, of course. That meme we've all encountered. We're on very different internet. Yeah, I don't think our internet overlaps at all. I would say $3899. That's a good guess.

$50. Damn. Suck it. Affordable. To whom? What are we doing here, Isaiah? To whom, Isaiah? What are we doing, Isaiah?

Seriously. Whatever the price is, what are we even doing? Can you guys show us your dump cups? All our dumps? Like a truck? What? Thighs like, what? Baby, move your love.

Okay, all my dumps? Yeah, show us your dumps. I spit out wine. I don't think I can tilt it because all of them are out. I actually thought I put more in. I spit out wine one time. I'm adding to this shit, man. This is.

Pablo. There's a lot in there. Come on, dude. So vanilla. Whose was the vanilla one? Is that Jordan? MJ's, yeah. Down the hatch.

In my ear is a room full of people saying, do not drink this, but also drink this. Drink it. Take one sip. Take a sit. I'm not. Okay, I'll take a little sip. Here we go.

Wow. What if he loves it? What if he loves it? I could be a lot worse. Oh my God, take another sip then. Ugh. He's going to put it in a bottle and call it Pablo's swill. Can you do accelerated aging, please?

Guys, this is spicy and audacious. I feel like we're all going to be friends for a long time. Right. At least for a little 20 minutes. I love you guys. No, shut up. I love you the most. I'm going to go home and Dan's going to be like,

can you just put this in a different room? I do not want to be a room. You smell like Isaiah Thomas. I do. And let me explain. I can explain. And that's real, by the way. We spent the entire afternoon playing video games in our studio.

We have a whole rig now to play like Sega Genesis. As for my friends who help me make this show, Pablo Torre finds out is produced by Michael Antonucci, Ryan Cortez, Sam Daywig, Juan Galindo, Patrick Kim, Neely Lohman, Rachel Miller-Howard, Ethan Schreier, Carl Scott, Matt Sullivan, Chris Tumenello, and Juliet Warren. Studio Engineering by RG Systems, Post Production by NGW Post. Our theme song, as always, is by John Bravo. We'll be back with a very different episode, as I often like to say, on Tuesday. Talk to you then.