Pablo Torre Finds Out - Dangerous Minds: How Stephen Glover Baffled Hollywood

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

We're starving for things that make us think and make us laugh. And so we welcome back the multi-hyphenate co-creator of Atlanta, Stephen Glover, who takes Pablo on a behind-the-scenes Hollywood tour in which we encounter Liam Neeson, Goofy, Coolio and Dan Le Batard. Not to mention the bizarre Atlanta cameos that worked out (from Black Justin Bieber to the time Stephen's older brother, Donald Glover, raced Michael Vick) and the ones that almost did (from Steve Harvey to Stephen A. Smith). Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Pablo O'Otre finds out. I am Pablo O'Ore. Today's episode is brought to you by Draft Kings. Draft Kings, the crown is yours. And today, we're going to find out what this sound is. I went out deliberately into black areas in this city looking to be set upon so that I could unleash physical violence. Right after this ad.

We're listening. to Draft Kings Network. When we got to know each other, Steve Glover, you came in with a lot of stories that I didn't know about, about you had done. I'm not here to confront you over whether you had ever driven a car

under the police. Like, oh my goodness, the police are waiting outside. Do you have a power ranking in your mind of like, young Steve? Irresponsible. Man, when I was like, when I first came into college,

I got super drunk, like, with my friends. Is it Georgia Tech? There was, like, a club next to it that we, like, went to. By the time I stepped in there, I was just wasted just from, like, pre-gaming. And they literally threw me out. They were, like, this kid is, like, a liability. My friends were, like, they, like, picked me up, like, jazz from fresh prints. Like, threw me out to the club.

And then my friends, brought me back to my dorm and then my RA, like, saw them put me in there. And he was like, hey, what's going on? And they just, like, ran and left me. It makes you scared for, like, the future and their own kids a little bit because you're like, oh, man, you look back and it's like lucky that you kind of made it at, like, somebody said something the other day about, like, thinking about the fact that you're here is, like, all these people behind you.

survived, you know? And it's like, that is kind of crazy when you think about it. There was probably somebody down the line. One of my ancestors who had a similar experience. He got like super drunk and almost got kicked by like a horse. He just like barely missed. He's like, whoa. That was close.

Like you're just barely making it over and over again. So the people who have been subscribing to this podcast from the very beginning, remember that my friend Stephen Glover, who was a screenwriter and rapper and actor and producer, was our guest on the fifth ever episode of Pablo Torre finds out, in which we found out that Steve and his older brother, Donald, invented the concept of memes as children in the 90s, and are also currently working on a secret Landau Calrissy and Star Wars movie for Disney, which immediately made news when he said it on the show in 2023. But Steve is also the guy who accepted, in 2017, two Writers Guild of

America Awards for Atlanta, which remains my favorite television show of all time. I gotta say, after winning the second one, I'm jaded already. This town's not that great. Everybody here thinks they're so hot. My agent took me to Dan Tanners. Awful. No, I got to think my agent's at WM.M.E. Tom, I love you, man. I got to think my lawyer Lev.

in the house, Levkinsburg, y'all know them, for taking me to a real restaurant. Jesus. I'm taking down a lot of people, I'm sorry. And so if you've never seen Atlanta, which also won a bunch of Emmys and Golden Globes, and also mainstreamed Migos into popular American culture, just know that what we're about to do here is talk about stuff like Donald Racing Michael Vick

and casting Liam Neeson, and also this insane project from last year that involved both 21 Savage, another very popular rapper from Atlanta, as well as Dan Lebitard, you know, my boss here at Metal Arc, which will explain. But it is not like Steve has been able to make every project that he's ever pitched in Hollywood.

There's always one we talk about where we wanted to do a trailer for 56 nights to future, like, Mix tape. I think 56 nights crazy. I think 56 nights crazy. Like a movie was coming out, basically. Like about Future's Life story.

Like, just the idea of, like, if you know the 56 nights. Well, please, for people who don't know, 56 nights, refresh our memory. So Futures DJ and friend, DJ Esco, well, I guess they were in, like, Dubai. ends up getting detained by maybe like customs or whoever there. And he's put in jail and he has all of Future's music

I guess on his hard drive that's also confiscated. So Future is without his DJ and he also doesn't have any of his like songs that he's worked on. So like the legend is he had to like started working you know from scratch.

I like that that ESCO is like the guy with a nuclear football for the president. If you lose this archive, we are fucked. Rappers always have things like that. It's like this bag with my... This unbacked-up, unclouded-stored bag. $700,000. So Future has to start from scratch.

Yeah, he's... Because Esco is locked up. And there's no telling when he's getting out. He did eventually get out after 56 nights, hence the name. But on night 55, it was real. Night 55, they almost got a new DJ. He almost recorded an acoustic album. The mixtape that, like, came out and, like, the subsequent, like, run of music

future had supposedly. It was, like, inspired by having to, like, start over. again, which is kind of funny. It's funny that rappers all have like this kind of same, like, Christ-like story. It would make like a fake movie trailer for that, but we never got to do it. Wait a minute, hold on, you're acting like,

I'm so wistful for this idea we never got to do or he made a fake movie for a future and instead had to settle for making a fake movie for 21 Savage. So before we get to this fake 21 Savage movie, which I've been meaning to get to for more than a year now, you should also know that there is a thing that PTFO does share in common with Steve and Donald and their group of friends that I have been lucky enough to watch flourish in this industry

as both writers and, honestly, cultural critics over the last decade from up close. Because both of us love stuff that is extremely smart, but also extremely stupid. it. I think that's a good way to put it. It's like high brow and lowbrow. I think that is that like best describes like the kind of comedy taste. Like even you, like me, Donald, it's like, you know.

It's like the Simpsons. That's why we get along. It's like we can make a joke about Mark Twain. We can make a joke about that. Do you, huck, take Becky as your wife? They don't switch to grow him with a pig. No wonder he was pooping so much. I say melting cheese on broccoli a lot. Trying to melt cheese on broccoli. That's what people want.

You got to mix the high and the low. You got to mix the candy with the vegetables. And sometimes, as PTFO has established as well, you also got to mix in a little bit of levitard, as you will very vividly see over on our YouTube channel. Which brings us back to something that, yes, I really did need to find out. So the 21 Savage thing, though, me talking about this is so overdue. These peat savages.

It's overdue for a couple of reasons. One of them is that my boss, Dan Lebitard, friend and boss. It's in that, yeah, I mean. It is depicted in it by a guy. who looks, I wouldn't say in a literal way, exactly like Dan, but is spiritually exactly like Dan. Just enough so that he couldn't sue us, you know? Pretty much. That could be anybody.

Except for the part where you said it's him two minutes ago. Did I say that? I think I meant that was Stephen A. Smith. The investigation that I went through on like, so how is it that Dan Levitard and Bommani Jones, it turns out, were both depicted in the trailer. How would you describe what I'm talking about, what that project was for people, again, who did not get to consume it at the time? Like, the way we would explain it to somebody is like, there was a video back in the day for Coolio, for gangsters' free. Paradise. A lot of movies had like the soundtrack, you know, song that also had a video. And they splicing, you know, scenes where the musician is also in the movie.

Yeah. Michelle Viper actually is in the video. She does the backwards chair. So they didn't splice Cooleo into a scene from Dangerous Minds. They put Michelle Fyfer into the gang's paradise, you know. So that's, that makes more sense. The Gangsus Paradise Cinematic Universe. The multiverse. It's the blueprint for this. As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I take a look at my life and realize this nuts.

I like, I like, how you're like, explain this to people? I'm like, have you seen Gage's Paradise? If you're like, no. I'm like, okay, there's absolutely no way to explain this. Which is pretty much how it was. You try to explain it to somebody. You're like, all right, well. I feel like you and Donald and all of our friends

who work with you guys, Swang, Thank you, Brafam, Chad. They're all mad when I don't say their names aloud when I listen to podcasts. I say that you guys collectively like it when people are like, so this is a real movie for 21 Savage that you guys are making. It's always a funny joke to us of just playing something so like straight or close to it that it's there for a second. like, wait a second, is this real? To us, that's always just funny. And it's a lot harder to do

than I would have originally thought to really get close. I mean, like, the goofy, like, episode of Atlanta, the goofy documentary. For people who haven't seen the goofy episode of Atlanta. What is it? Yeah. So Gangsters Paradise, right?

No, it's just a, basically, A documentary telling the origin of the goofy movie at Disney. And the documentary is named The Goof Who Sat By the Door, the Thomas Washington story. Which is already just like... Pretty hilarious. And why I think on some level, like, we are friends. It's like, this is both the highest brow and the lowest.

Very true. It's like a spook who sat by the door, in the name of a fake documentary on a fake black media network about goofy. It's a story so unbelievable. It could only happen

in Hollywood. How did this young, black, unassuming animator from East Atlanta wind up as the CEO of Disney at the company's most powerful moment in time?

We just play it so close. Like, the belief is that a goofy movie is inherently a black movie. It was just this idea of, like, what if it was actually made by a black guy who managed to get in charge for, like, you know,

just long enough to make this movie that's the blackest movie of all time. We all voted for this guy named Tom Washington, but we didn't realize that Tom's first name was actually Thompson, not Thomas. Thomas Washington was an animator. People were pretty upset when they found out

they voted for the wrong man. So making this documentary that feels really real to the point where I'm like, yeah, you know, it kind of does feel like that's the truth, you know? He knew that people thought Goofy was dumb, But he wanted to show the systemic factors that Goofy was dealing with. A shi job, angry kid, and embarrassed by his lack of influence. Man, it was wild how deep he leaned into all this.

Because as far as I knew, Thomas had a really solid home life. All of which brings us to why Dan Levitard was in the 21 Savage fake movie trailer music video. He's a part of the culture, whether he likes it or not. I don't think he understands his significance enough to have a developed opinion on it. I don't know how to explain this to Greg Cody and Stugats exactly in ways that they would understand. But the internet, I am told, because we are three old people, the internet has told me that I have beef with 21 Savage. I think I could say to either Stugat or Greg Cody that his name is Savage 21

and they would not know the difference. But I don't want to be having beef with 21 Savage. I just remember him saying to me, like, what is this? Yeah, it's like sometimes you're just in the right place at the right time, you know what I mean? Sometimes the universe comes for you. And it's like, he had no idea of 21,7. was going to be such a huge thing.

So he interviewed on highly questionable RIP to a great show that interviewed rappers a lot, a show that aired on ESPN, just to keep in mind what everybody's pulling off here. I love that. Where Dan and at the time, Bommani and Dan's dad, Poppy Gonzalo Lebitard, are interviewing remotely 21 Savage. Young Savage, why you're trapping so hard? Why this kept being so hard? Why you got a 12-car garage?

Why are you pulling all these rappers' cards? Because the... And I'm hard. I turn it into some hard. I grew up in the streets without no heart. I'm praying to my glock and my carving. The background behind them is like, you know, the buildings or whatever, like kind of like a nice view.

He has like a green screen. Yeah, like a green screen. A TV, a TV. background in a studio somewhere. But the way, like, he's, like, sitting, kind of and, like, spinning in his chair, it makes him look like an evil villain, like, kind of, you know. And because, like, Dan and Bomani are kind of, like, you know, here's 21 Savage, like, kind of talking to him.

It's, like, a little bit, like, they're a little bit out of their element. It kind of feels like they're scared of him because he's, like, a supervillain. So it's just a thing that immediately kind of became like a meme. I mean, 21 Savage has a tattoo like on his forehead. On his forehead between his eyebrows. His hair is... Like an anime character. I was going to say, imagine Culeo was an anime character.

And you kind of approximate. Like a black saying. Yes. If you watch Dragon Ball Z. And he is just like sort of like smiling and holding his hands in a way that has like a doctor claw aspect, like as if he had just rotated his chair around. And that still frame inspired Donald to play the role of 21 Savage in that interview. The casting, a big gap in the understanding that I had as to how much of an homage this was to this specific HQ interview was me then

asking around to our group of friends that made this and being like, like, oh my God, like I would love to talk to the actor who played like Dan. I got to get him on the show. And I believe, I think it was fam who was just like, that guy has no idea what role he was playing. He really doesn't. It was funny. I remember that guy specifically was kind of like, like an actor who's like there. like doing a role, he has no idea of like the context of what we're doing.

That was also what's funny. You saw me having to explain to you what this is. Yes. So trying to explain. Your life is repeatedly being asked by people to explain the weird thing you're working on. And that includes the people who are starring in various parts of the thing that they are helping you make. This is the hardest part about creating anything, you know.

It starts off. as an idea to you. So you have to translate this into the real world to other people. It's like, all right, so you're this Cuban guy with a dark gotty and you wear a suit behind this desk next to this old guy and this black dude on the other side and you have like buttons unbuttoned and you're kind of like you're that guy. And also, I remember Bobani's complaint that he voiced online.

They thought that I would get all too. TV without no Jack at all, just with a shirt, a dress shirt, with the undershirt out of it, the out-to-packed joint. We had to do just enough to be like it's not you guys, you know. And the old man in between them. I remember that day specifically, we're kind of behind. So you just got to give them the fastest things. I didn't give them the whole Culeo speech.

I didn't have time, you know. We were moving fast. But that ended up being a thing that people eventually realized, oh, this isn't actually a movie. That's how you know it's a good prank when people are sad at the end. When you're mad that you didn't get the fake movie that this advertised. But that's the thing. Like, you already know what this movie is. Yeah, that's why it works so good.

You know, if they're like, we're making the 21 Savage movie, you're like, you already know what the highlights are and how Hollywood is going to twist that. Have you ever seen the like... Do not ask me if I've seen Gangsters Paradise. The Tos. I've never seen. Culeo's video. Have you ever seen the Biggie movie that came out a couple of years ago? I saw it in theaters.

This music you got going on, it don't come around every day. When you make it, we all make it. If I don't make it, not going back on the block. What cracks me up about that movie is, I think he's, there's like a catch-frows. He keeps being like... Can't change the world unless we change ourselves. That Biggie is saying, like, over and over getting the movie, where you're like, there's no way Biggie ever said that, right?

Like, I don't think he's ever said that. I remember getting a text, if I'm just going to throw Ibrough under the bus. I think it was Ibra. Ibra Ake, who is, again, not to dwell on who Eberra is, but just for people who don't know him, artist, Kermudgeon. Professional New Yorker Who lives in France now? Yeah, exactly.

In the most New York way possible. Creative director guy who's worked with you guys. Like, yeah, really? Beyonce now. I'm just like, the resume is actually crazy the more I say it aloud. No, Ibra is like a real artist. A real artist.

A snob. A snob. A snob. A guy to get a text from him. Just to give you a sense of the high, he's the highbrow, you could argue. He brings highbrow credibility. He definitely does.

From now, Paris. Can I get Stephen A. Smith's contact info? We're thinking of casting him in an episode of Atlanta. What was the role for Stephen A. Smith? It was probably season three of Atlanta. This is the flamethrower episode of season three. I'm going to donate a million dollars to your school. And I'm changing the name from that degenerate slave owner

to one of the richest black men this side of the Mississippi. From now on, this school is going to be named the Robert S. Lee High School. Here are the other actors who, I guess, were being considered for the role. Steve Harvey was our first choice. Then Denzel and Spike and Kevin Samuels. I am going to pay every single senior's college tuition. Who's Black? We had wanted it to be Steve Harvey.

And I think Steve Harvey seemed like he was into it. Like, he wanted to do it. And then he kind of, I don't know, at the last moment, dropped out. He might have been. Do you think he read the script? I don't even, I don't know. Actually, did he ever get the script? Maybe that was it.

He read it and was like, uh-oh. He was like, I can't host family feud after this. I was going to say, I think he was shooting family feud at the time. I think he was like shooting family feud in Africa or something. the time. That might have been a lot. Welcome back to the feud, everybody. The Sedera family won the game.

As somebody who has met Steve Harvey, when I, you know, became the owner of the greatest comeback in the history of celebrity family feud. Name the greatest breakfast food ever created. Bake. Name someone you should never call

when you're drunk. Your mom. Name a coin you throw into a fountain to make a wish. A penny. We got a shot. I should have made you ask Steve Harvey why he didn't do our episode. If I knew the backstory in full then, his voice would be right here. Trying to get people in Atlanta, it's like, that's pretty much what it was. You would just kind of be trying to work your network of like, hey, does anybody know Liam Neeson?

Liam Neeson thing is one of my favorite things that a celebrity has agreed to do. eyes open Once again kind of telling this line of like realness and like the strange that we love you know

again inspired by an actual interview a celebrity gave to someone inspired by a real interview that he did I remembered an incident nearly 40 years ago where a very dear

friend of mine was brutally raped but I had never felt this feeling before, which was a primal urge to lash out. I asked her, did you know the person?

It was a man? No. His race, she said he was a black man. I thought, okay. And after that, there were some nights I went out deliberately into black areas

in this city looking to be set upon so that I could unleash physical violence. Liam Neeson says he's not racist after controversial interview. Liam Neeson has, this is from the BBC,

Liam Neeson has denied he is racist after admitting he once set out to kill any black man who provoked him. Yeah, no, I mean, you know. So just, just sit in the way. that for a second. And so then you guys are like,

we have an idea for Liam Neeson. I mean... And by the way, the quote that I just read in all of its bluntness and discomfort is kind of where there is a place to actually understand why Liam Neeson would want to do this and actually benefited from doing

what he did with Atlanta. Yeah, no. I mean, I think you know, shout out to Liam Neeson because it was really, it was great for him to do this and to even like hear us out. Talking in the Atlanta writer's room, we were like, when we were talking about it, we're just like, it's kind of funny because he's doing the thing that we kind of want him to do, you know, is being honest and like telling these, like, this real thing, you know, and it's like, yeah, it might be uncomfortable,

but it's like, this is the truth and, like, we're all better for it. And, like, he should be, like, applauded guy. But of course, nobody has the headline is just you know, taking him down. Which we just thought was funny of like, we always joke like, you know, you go to like

a restaurant, you accidentally like eat somebody else's food, you get the wrong order, and like a white guy there, like that's enough to push him over the edge to racism. He's like, I hate all black people now. All he has to do is have one bad interaction

with a black person. And then, you might, quote, go out deliberately into black areas in the city looking to be set upon so I could unleash physical violence, end quote, from Liam Neeson. Which, again, the honesty in that, he's like, I'm going to actually express what's going through my mind. And we are, in fact, better off when people are able to express how they honestly feel. So the episode, again, to fill in the blanks here, it's the season. that in the episode particularly in this case takes place in Amsterdam. Yeah.

And there's a club, a seemingly hallucinatory club where you go in and everybody who's in there has been canceled. How did you get here? I just follow the local. What did they do? What do you mean? Oh, did they strangle a fan,

shagga teenager? I'd they get in. Thank you. Now, you don't have to say. It's fine. It's your business. I mean, not to spoil the episode. We can spoil the...

What the fuck are we talking about? Some people haven't seen... Steve, spoiler alert, okay? We can speak freely now. You've been warned. You've been warned. Well, now I feel that way because you tried to ruin my career.

Didn't succeed, mind you. However, I'm sure one day I will get over it. But until then, we are mortal enemies. I'll see it around, Vickler. I presume there are people who have not seen this, and they should go and watch it, and they should come back to this to find the analysis that we're providing.

I now realize, by the way, for the record, whenever we meet up, I have no idea what we're going to talk about. Turns out that I've just realized what Atlanta was through this particular lens, which is a show where you had to at one point ask Michael Vick to be on it. Yeah, Michael Vick out here racing people.

He's taking bets, too. Is he? Is he doing okay? Oh, he's fine. It's just a good hustle. Yeah, drunk people just want to race. This is sixth race in the ten minutes I've been standing here. That boy, good. Anybody else? Anybody? Three to one eyes.

It's fair? I kind of want to see this. I'll do it. What do you? Sometimes you just got a stun on people. The shooting of it, terms of like just how you guys told the story of the race, as in stops right as Donald seems to like get ahead of Michael Vick at the starting line. And then like the motif of the

kind of like rocky music. The whole thing of we don't need to show the race. Yeah, you don't need to see the race. But it's. Like, how much of the race do you need to show? It's like, just him getting a jump on Michael. Vic is enough to make you laugh and like, oh, maybe he's actually going to do this, you know? And then the car and there is no music. It is dead silent for several seconds.

And you don't even know the outcome except it's now obvious what the outcome is. And then she says, It's Michael Vick. Which is the truth. You know, that's what's so funny, too. It's such a great economy of showing. And, I mean, in this case, obviously, like, in writing, it's show, don't tell. This is the inversion of that.

It's don't show either. Like, don't show and don't tell. It's kind of like horror movies, you know? It's like, the less you show, sometimes, it's like the better, you know. Let people's imagination work a little bit, you know. I mean, Donald always had a philosophy on the show, too. I'm just like, we don't need to explain everything to the audience. We don't need to, like, hold their hand through everything.

Like, they're going to get it. You know, TV sometimes you're, like, too worried about, like, explaining everything. You know, like, I said, it's like, I got to bring a dangerous mind. It's literally the exact opposite to what I've been forcing you to do for an hour. Exactly. Michael Vick, man. An Atlanta legend. Can you take us inside the origin of that scene?

Do you remember how it originated? I remember me and one of the other writers on the show, Jamal, aka Swank. I remember we went to like ComplexCon one year, like out here in L.A. And like you go into like the bathroom and it's like, a hundred dice games going on like full Monty it's like a Star Wars casino

in the bathroom and that's what's kind of like funny about like Atlanta like you know the strip club or like the parking lot even it's like there's like a million things like going on other side hustles and side adventures happening you know

all throughout this place it's like a pool game going on over here for thousands of dollars you know And it's just this idea that Michael Vick could, like, raise money whatever he wants, you know, just for racing drunk people, which to be fair is a pretty great thing. I mean, if I was in Atlanta and Michael Vick was in a parking lot and people were racing him, I would definitely be interested. I mean, I feel like that's actually a wildly, that's like hot ones now. That's hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was hot. I know, I know. That's still hot. It's a weird show. I know. That's a complex YouTube franchise, actually. Speaking of which.

Man, we should talk to Michael Vick and see if he wants to race people. He interviews people. They're like stretching. He's like, guy like, so like, what's the movie about? Like, they're both starting fly. And he races them.

He's like racing like... You have to answer while you're racing him? It's like long distance. Like, they're going to race them for, like a mile. That's the equalizer with Michael Vick. If you can run for a long time, you know, that's how you beat him. What was the pitch to Michael Vick? Was that a hard? Do you remember if it was a hard ask if he got it immediately? If he was like, yeah, I'll do that. I think he was pretty on board. He was actually like, sure, yeah, that sounds cool. I remember he was like

into it and fine. I mean, with that shot in particular, I'm like, that's just like a perfect like kind of picture of like doing comedy especially too of like the script, whatever's in the script there. It was not what it was there. You know what I mean? It's like you got to like find it.

You got to find the comedic timing. Sometimes that's there. Sometimes it's in the editing. I realize that too, like first. People would read scripts and they would be like, what is this? You know, kind of like, what are we doing? You know, by the time... Like, wait a minute, Justin Bieber is black?

Yeah, exactly. Wait, it's cool, it's cool. This is me. This is the real Justin. It was always funny with the Justin Bieber episode. I remember we sent it to FX the script and they were like, are we going to be able to get Justin Bieber? Like that was like the kind of the first ass

Because that's that's how hard it was For them to understand what was going on This script So you guys want us to get Justin Bieber They're like so Donald's gonna get Justin Bieber right Because we're not going We can't do that You know

But look the term from literature to be highbrow right Is magical realism Like that's Spanish literature It's like they don't They're not explaining either Yeah. Like, why is there this mysterious man on a bus eating like a peanut butter sandwich? Resistance is a symptom of the way things are.

Not the way things necessarily should be. Actual victory belongs to things that simply do not see failure. Let the path push you like a broken branch in the river's current. No, no, I'm not going out like that, but thanks for the advice. Fight the sandwich. at the end of the book, they don't tell you, by the way, that was an allegory. Do you think it's harder or easier to make Atlanta now than it was compared to when you guys actually did make multiple seasons, critically acclaimed,

and also very at times subreddit aggravating? It's hard to answer that question because in some ways, it's like, yeah, it would be hard to get it made. at the same time, I think people are just as thirsty for this type of thing. So in some ways, the climate is like perfect for it, you know? Yes, yes. That's the argument for it is that we are, whether we can articulate this or articulated enough, we are starving for stuff that actually does make us think as well as make us laugh at the same time.

Yeah. And doing shit that's smart. But again, has some cheese melted on the broccoli. Exactly. Is we just don't have enough of it, even as we're starving for it.

Even when people are asking for it, the timing's got to be right. You got to be able to find a way to cut through. I think our show was able to cut through and like in an age where everybody's also like, look at me, I'll do anything to cut through. It's like,

How do you subvert that? It's like, well, you just be good, I guess. I do like how the lesson at the end of this, like, what did I find out today? I guess you should be good at making things. I would bet on whoever is actually, like, skilled. You definitely should, you know? I mean, it's like I'll go to the, like, farmers market, very L.A. sort of thing, you know.

And there's like this bread like place that's there. I just kind of like French bakery that comes out there. And all the bread is like, every time you like come, it's like most of it's gone. Because I guess people are coming at like six in the morning to get this bread or whatever. You want to be like, there's no way this is that good or whatever. And then you like get one. You get like something there and you're like, oh, this actually is pretty good. and you're like, yeah, you know.

Like you said, betting on the people who know what they're doing, you could think like, I mean, I'll just go to Vons and get a fucking croissant. But it's like, you're going to pay for that. No, and by the way, what you need are people who have maybe the ability to, like, communicate and then teach this to younger people, even if they may seem like a strange person to listen to, which does remind me of the movie Dangerous Minds. Man, maybe we'll just update Dangerous Minds to people. I'm thinking Lando, the Lando movies, it's kind of like Dangerous Minds.

What if Lando was Michelle Pfeiffer? There's a space school. In Cloud City. There's a lot of these inner Cloud City aliens. They got to pass this test. But they don't believe in themselves. enough. You know, they got a lot of issues that their alien home life.

We'll pitch that to Disney. This has been Pablo Torre finds out a metal arc media production. And I'll talk to you next time.